As a layman agnostic, the more I learn about Christianity, the more I see it as first century Jewish apocolypticism - debates, arguments, philosophies, etc. Sounds to me like they are all talking about a political "savior" coming soon to lead the Jews and establish Israel as a nation-kingdom and free themselves of the Roman Empire. Frankly I don't see how it applies to my life in the 21st century. Not trying to insult anyone. Just my honest thoughts.
God is not the author of confusion. Since christianity began there has been nothing less than confusion. There is no way Jesus would have asked Peter to lead his church. For the Love of God the strongest disciple denied him.
As citizens of an at least nominal democracy with notions of due process and rights of the accused, we seriously underestimate how little provocation the Romans needed to execute someone. A moral reformer could be executed merely for being popular. Popularity is a kind of power that the Romans were always jealous of. Scholars have suggested this as the real reason for John the Baptist getting executed. John Dominic Crossan has said that Jesus was probably in this category. He thinks that if the movement had been trying to set up a government or overthrow Roman rule, there would have been 13 crosses, not one. That seems right to me. Whether there were 13 crosses or not, a political movement would have gotten the hell out of Jerusalem. We have evidence from Paul and Josephus that they didn’t.
What if it was a new archetype that he brought in on a cellular level? It’s not him is aspects of our consciousness we have been unable to reach in a low frequency…good for thought
See, now, i come up with something completely different. To me, Christianity is neoplatonic cynicism. I don't accept the Gospels as historically reliable. I *know* there's a meditative experience that can last seven days. i think Jesus led the rebellion in 65 CE; he was a military man, Jesus ben Judas. The lesson for today is how we can all be misled, that the brain started as a comfort finder and is in us becoming a coherence detector, and there might actually be a person Truth and we in community His body.
I think the Bronze Age collapse was the first "global" labour action. The second was "the Christ event", whatever that was. And it's time for the third: enough establishment BS; no more "elite".
I have been a Christian for close to 70 years and have always had problems with the "3 days" concept. Never could figure out how the Bible could put 3 days into a 2 day event. This thinking really helps me by having the 2 Sabbath's.
I can't get the video to play so I don't know what he said however in the Christian School I attended they told us that it was a mistranslation and should be three watches. A watch being approximately 12 hours and there being two watches a day.
some offshoots have already been all over this...seventh dayers and some others. Thats why its so important to churches to get people to believe others are always trying to deceive them
"On the third day" vs "three days" are different lengths of time. Like 0 being the first number vs 1 being the number noting a completion of a whole unit.
I would love to see a TV series that shows the Gospels the way the EASTERN Orthodox know them to be in reality. The WEST changed the calendar and the time the day starts, plus many other spurious innovations. Then people get a news flash that these Western Innovations don't add up. No kidding. Go look at the 60 Minutes documentary on Mout Athos that is readily available on RUclips and learn something about ancient Christians that exist even today in the Eastern Orthodox Christian faith. Bob Simon did the documentary, and it is concise and to the point. The Western Church split from the Eastern Church towards the end of the First Millennium and then continues innovations ans further splits and reforms continued in the West until the doctrines, practices, and approach radically changed from the Apostles teachings. Some ministers get back to the correct interpretation and practice, and then you have entire communities in the West rejoining the Orthodox Church. Celibacy was never meant for all priests, and only monk priests did that. This has remained the same in Orthodoxy from day one, but the Roman Catholics made it mandatory, and the Protestants abandoned it. This is but one example of the deviations. The other is the calendar, the true Orthodox like on Athos kept the Ancient Julian Calendar, and the West went with Pope Gregory's innovation. I could go on, but you get the idea.
I've studied this extensively and have come to the conclusion that He was crucified on Wednesday, and buried at dusk just prior to Passover beginning at sunset. Wednesday night thru Thursday was the first day. Thursday night thru Friday was the 2nd day. And then Friday night thru Saturday was the 3rd day. Jesus was resurrected Saturday at dusk, exactly 3 days AND 3 nights as He said. I've seen people try to argue that any part of a day is considered a day. However, when the expression "3 days AND 3 nights" is included together, it means an entire 3 days and 3 nights. A Wednesday crucifixion is the only possible time frame. Also, we have the statement that the women went out and bought spices to prepare for his body. The only time this could have occurred was between the 2 sabbaths, the first day of Unleavened Bread on Thursday, and then the weekly sabbath on Saturday. They had to have bought spices on Friday, the only day they could have bought the spices. Some have argued that the spices were bought Saturday night after the weekly sabbath was over. But this is not possible. We are told in Luke 23:56 "And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment." If they bough spices after the weekly sabbath then how could they have rested for the weekly sabbath? Impossible. The only possible explanation is that He was crucified on Wednesday and was resurrected at dusk on Saturday night.
I used to be a member of the Worldwide Church of God, And this is what we used to believe. Cause it means that Jesus was wandering around or Saturday night or maybe was in the tomb until Sunday morning… So that seems like a very strange and lonely time for him. But, this seems to be pretty much the only timeline that makes sense. There is some scripture somewhere that says something like quote he will be cut off in the midst of the week.”
@@johnnyxmusic Yes, H.W.A. had it as you said, he also believed the Jews by Christs time had the time of the Passover wrong in that they should have been killing the lambs in the beginning of the 14 rather than the end of the 14. He had come to that conclusion, through re interpreting the instructions in Exodus, because of the accounts in the synoptic gospels which has Jesus eating the Passover meal the beginning of the 14th rather than the beginning of the 15th. John of course calls it the last supper, not the Passover. My conclusion is that they must have had a Passover meal one day early. Christ did actually die about the time Passover lambs were to be killed, before the 15th, the annual sabbath which I suspect fell on the weekly sabbath that year as can happen. Due to the fact the disciples said it is now the third day Luke 24:21, I tend to think that this was one of the times the annual sabbath and the weekly sabbath coincided. I suspect the term, "three days and three nights" is idiom for three days rather than an exact 72 hours. If in fact Jesus was crucified in a year the two sabbaths coincided, it shouldn't be to hard to know the exact year in that decade. James Tabor has mentioned his awareness of H.W.A. and is familiar with Earnest Martins ideas. I am under the impression Tabor had some contact with Martin.
@@wilfredmancy I don’t recall all of the exact details. Certainly there does seem to be some shifting around the idea of how the last supper was a pass over meal etc. etc. And the slipperiness of the Sabbath or if there’s two Sabatte’s that we score the exact timing of it. But there’s a passage where it says the only sign that should be given is the sign of Jonah… Just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the big fish so Jesus will be three days and three nights in the heart of the Earth. Are these things important? I don’t know. Are they ways to set True believers apart from sort of believers? I don’t know. Are Christian supposed to be keeping Saturday is the sabbath day because it’s an eternal covenant? Or do we say it doesn’t matter? Or now we celebrate the Lords day because Jesus rose on Sunday even though there’s a reason to believe that he actually Rose on Saturday before sunset. And what about celebrating Christmas which is not in the Bible. And certainly Jesus was not born on December 25. Maybe when Jesus returns he’ll come and say oh you guys did a pretty good job let’s celebrate and here’s the kingdom. I don’t know. I step back for most of this stuff as a way of preserving my mental health. Although it seems that true devotion to a spiritual path requires a certain kind of insanity, or at least dedication and devotion to the point where you’re Kind of uncomfortable at certain times.
@@johnnyxmusic Yes, I agree, we need to know our uncertainties , and step back from having to be sure when we know we aren't sure, to not trouble ourselves to much, we can still be curious and interested of course. Our faith did center on the need to observe the Sabbath to be faithful to Christ, certainly in my mind it did. I now think that the sabbath was Gods' sign on the old covenant Ezekiel 20:12, 20, and now see it as a shadow or sign of a coming reality Col. 2:16,17, that our rest is in Jesus, Matt.11:28. That Jesus is our rest. None the less I find allowing my self a weekly day of rest good for mental health and happiness. John 19: 31 indicates the looming sabbath was a special sabbath, which it was, the 15th, but was it also a weekly sabbath? Dec the 25th wasn't Jesus' birthday. It has been argued though that it is the day the wise men came to worship him about 15 months after his birth, hence Herod killing the boys up to 2 years old. Good luck with the jig saw puzzle.
@@wilfredmancy There are some interesting narratives about Jesus birth. Anyway… I totally agree about the wisemen not being there at the birth. But some sources say that the manger that Jesus was born in was this special tower or the base of the special tower where are the special sacrificial lambs for the temple or captain watched out for. I mean… That’s really cool if it happened like that. And then someone says well there’s a famous Evangelical guy who says that the blood from Jesus on the cross on Golda to dripped all the Way down to the mercy seat of the ark of the covenant and so Jesus’ blood it’s like the blood of the perfect sacrifice in all of that stuff. Again, fantastic poetry if it happened that way.
🕊There’s verse saying from Jesus he shall not drink of the cup until they are with him again. Now, a thousand days are as one in heaven. It is just about time for that !
Wed. crucifixion with a "late on the Sabbath as it began to DUSK toward the first day of the week..." resurrection= 3 days AND 3 nights (72hrs) just like Yeshua said!
I am not a Christian, and I am unsure if I am nitpicking here, James, but according to Jewish law, the first day of Passover-also known as Pesach-is not a Sabbath. However, it has many restrictions similar to those of the Sabbath. Jews would not call it a Sabbath. The funerals are generally not held on the festival days of Passover so if it was 30 CE there would be a rush to bury him immediately before the Passover.
What's more problematic is that all the synoptic gospels have Jesus predict the second temple destruction. If Paul met Peter....why didn't Peter tell him this?
@Luke Williams It is possible that Jesus did not predict the destruction of the temple. These words could have been put in his mouth by the earliest church to up his prophecy cred to bring in more converts. Same with the miracles.
It is entirely possible and valid for the literality of the Eucharist to not be important to you at all. As usual, Dr. Tabor is not trying to validate or invalidate a specific custom or belief, but is instead exploring the historicity of certain ideas through a historically materialist lense. In doing so, we can get a fascinating perspective on how we may view history in inverted ways. Discussing the progenitorship of Paul can invert how we see the influences that affected the authors of the Gospels, which is, in itself, utterly fascinating.
I'm with you, Jesus simply wouldn't have said anything like that. If he had the disciples would've been horrified. Drink blood & eat flesh!! They were all Torah observant Jews. I commented earlier saying if Jesus ever read Paul's contributions to the NT he wouldn't recognise himself.
@@ghawley5014 Whoever wrote the Gospels they got it off Paul & Paul only experienced hallucinatory meetings with Jesus. Why any Torah observant Jew would talk about eating flesh & drinking blood is simply beyond belief.
Jesus was arrested just after wednsday began ((which is after 6pm tuesday.).. He was brought before the Jewish elder, condemned, then brought before Pilate Wednsday morning... Crucified Wednsday afternoon, then burried beforevWednsday ended at 6pm... is this clearer? This is the only way you get three days and nights in the tomb... He rosae from the dead well before Dawn Sunday...
Every one is raking their brains about the Passover meal etc etc...no one is bothered about the torture, exhilarating pain, agony and all that Our Lord Jesus & his mother went through. Just believe in Jesus derp down in your hearts n follow his teachings of forgiveness n love to all.
Having the Last Supper be on Wednesday night makes sense of the acclaimation of the Nicean Creed, "And on the third day he rose again from the Dead". Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights makes Sunday the third day after His crucifixion.
Jesus did celebrate the passover, but according to the essene calendar in the year 33AD. Jesus and the apostles left Bethany and entered Jerusalem on Sunday riding on a donkey (9th of Nisan Jewish calendar date). Jesus and his followers probably forced his entourage before the procession of the high priest behind him who ceremonially carried the passover lamb from Bethlehem on that same hour. arrangements were made to stay for the preparation of the passover at the essene quarter. this was done by following an essene carrying a jar of water that Monday (10th of Nisan). they were still staying in an upper room in the essene quarter and celebrated the Passover (11th of Nisan) and feast of unleavened bread according to the calendar of the Essenes (12th of Nisan). Jesus and the apostles probably finished the meal at 9 and went to the garden of gethsemane. he was most likely arrested around 10 or 11pm. he would have been taken to the house of annas, the high priest and went through the kangaroo court of the sadducees around midnight and thrown in the dungeon that night. his formal trial before the Sanhedrin and caiaphas at the hall of hewn stone would have been on the 12th of Nisan after the trumpet of the first tamid. he would have been detained again at the dungeon of annas (13th of Nisan). he would have been taken before pilate in the praetorium (palace complex of Herod where the 2 palaces were situated). Jesus was probably cross examined by pilate in the morning and passed on to Herod after lunch on the opposite palace. he was probably held in detention that night inside the barracks behind pilate's palace, 14th of Nisan. Jesus was then presented to the crowd outside the southern gate of the palace complex with barabas, at the judgment seat. he was sentenced and scourged in the morning of 14th of Nisan and carried the cross beam to calvary, an 8-15 minute walk, probably more in Jesus case. it is more probable that Jesus and the two thieves were led out by the north gate and walked along the street by the north wall of the palace complex to the site of the present holy sepulcher which was a rock quarry and garden and tombs. this area was not enclosed by the Third wall by Agrippa I until 41-44AD. Jesus expired on 14th of Nisan just as the horn of the second tamid was blown and the signal to slaughter the passover lambs was heard. the chronology of and logistics of events becomes more practical and reasonable, especially for men of power like pilate and Herod. the narrative of the gospel narrative becomes realistic in this reconstructed timeline of events. the apparent contradictory accounts of mark and John confused people for the longest time. only with the discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls are we now able to understand that two calendars were in operation and that everything happened according to the narrative and we are able to deduce the exact dates. furthermore, circumstantial evidence points to the humble brag of mark that he was the youth who fled naked that night and that he was most likely an essene and a scribe. mark narrates according to his calendar, the calendar of the Essenes. while John narrates according to the jewish calendar.
Thankyou indeed for all these details, but I am not an religious historian nor a theologian & I shall need to read this again & then probably ask, if I am able to, either of the aforementioned ´people to structurally 'walk' me through all of this. Thankyou again.
Jesus was announced as king of Israel in that choice between Jesus and Barabbas. Quickly said, Pilot dressed Jesus up as King, Pilot presented Jesus to the Sanhedrin and high priest among the crowd as "their King". Told the crowd to choose to crucify "their King" or Barabbas. The Saducees and High Priest chose "their king" Jesus to be crucified and instigated the Jewish crowd to choose "their King" to be crucified..... and so the Priesthood anointed Jesus as their king in order for him to be executed. And Pilat published this fact above Jesus head at a time when Jerusalem was most crowded of Jews from all over the realm. What this accomplished was to legalize according to Torah law Jesus' amended covenant and make irrelevant all burdensome Talmudic rules. I think Jesus and Pilat planned it together. Neet trick on the Sanhedrin huh.
I never could figure out how the morning of the third day was Sunday morning if Jesus was buried Friday just before sundown. If that was so it seemed Friday to Saturday sundown = 1st day. Saturday to Sunday sundown = 2nd day.... Monday morning would be the morning of the third day.
@@bonesrhodes3762 Jesus only said that for the Jonah prophesy "after 3 days and 3 nights" (which would mean a rising on the FOURTH day). This is not a prophesy of Jesus in the grave. This is a prophesy for the Second coming and hasn't happened yet. And is not relevant to Jesus' crucifixion and rising.
@@bonesrhodes3762 Which is an admission that you thoughtlessly go along with the Devil's consensus and don't have any of your own brain in your head. “Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.” -Orwell 1984
Last supper - Tuesday night: Wednesday - crucifixion: Thursday - annual Sabbath unleavened bread: Friday - prepare spices: Saturday - rested according to the commandment: Sunday morning - He had already risen (at the end of the Sabbath, 3 days and 3 nights after being put in the tomb.)
The narrator assumes the gospels to be historically accurate. In those days 1. very few people could read, let alone write. 2. Judea, colonized by Rome, was in a state of flux. Freedom fighters in guerilla war against Romans, 3. Many messiahs including several called Yeshua (savior) 4. First gospels written mid 60s AD How would one remember what one Yeshua said 30 years earlier? Whom did they interview? Why were the original manuscripts in Greek when the disciples were uneducated Aramaic speakers?
"Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16 For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God" luke 22 .. scripture states the meal WAS the passover meal.. but as Tabor points out, it takes place on Weds and not Thursday .
There is no gospel of judas - The Gospel of Jesus was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own. The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives. Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story. It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th.
@@termination9353 Actually there is and it was found near the place where the Ghospels of Mary were found in Egypt & now are in the same place as the Dead Sea Scrolls
Freaking brilliant. If only my fellow Christians would up their game to this level of scholarship. 3pm 14th...eve of 14th and day of 15th (to 3pm)...one day...eve of 15th and day of 16th (to 3pm) two days....eve of 15th to day (morning) of 16th...3 days...brilliant. Finally...sighs. 17th..discovered empty. Dude you really helped me with this. Thank you. Also ....the ark upon Arat...same date. The red sea parting..same date if im correct on this. Got to use the change in dates in the OT...search youtube title" Stunning Study -Jesus Resurrected On The Exact Same Day That Noah's Ark Rested & The Red Sea Parted "
I'm not sure why Dr. Tabor clings to Thursday. He keeps Mark as the primary and original text, with Matthew inserting the "three days and three nights". Mark only says "3 days", which would allow the Friday-Sunday correlation. Preparation day is for the Sabbath, and Passover was never celebrated on a Thursday as to not interfere with the Sabbath preparations.
@@ezekielsaltar4728 The only place you get "AFTER" 3 days and 3 nights (which would mean a rising on the 4th day) is the Jonah prophesy. All other references to Jesus crucifixion and rising Jesus says ON 3rd day (pay attention guys). The Jonah prophesy is a separate prophesy to take place in the Second Coming/hasn't happened yet.
@@ezekielsaltar4728 FRIDAY CRUCIFIXION ABSOLTE MATHEMATICAL CERTAINTY Luke 24:21 "..:to day (Sunday) is the third day since these things were done (Jesus crucified)."
The feast day of Unleavened Bread on the 15th of Abib is a 'high Sabbath' or 'proclaimed Sabbath' (Lev 23), which differs from the weekly 7th day Sabbath.
0:33 it couldnt be Thursday, according to sign of Jonah 3 days and 3 nights = 72 hours, if Jesus placed in grave before sunset and was missing at sunday morning then it was less than 72 hours. Jesus had to be crucified on Wednesday and risen before sunset of Sabbath (saturday) - but his missing was noticed right before saturday sunset
I do not understand the logic. Passover frequently falls on a Friday. Also, though Passover is a holiday, I have never heard of it referred to as a Sabbath day. In fact, there is no prohibition against working during Passover which, do not forget, is a holiday that lasts for eight days. Furthermore, the Sabbath is not on a Saturday. The Sabbath begins Friday at sundown. So if there was a rush to get Jesus buried, it had to happen before sundown Friday. That would suggest the crucifixion took place Friday morning... ...if at all.
@@rlsfrny, The Days of Unleavened Bread and Passover are called the Passover by the Jews, but technically, they are 2 separate things. Passover is the meal, and the 7 Days of Unleavened Bread follow.
So the synoptics don't contradict John - it's not that Jesus dies on Thursday in John and Friday in the synoptics, but rather they all have Jesus dying on Thursday? But the confusion is that Matthew, Mark and Luke refer to the Sabbath, which is not Friday but Thursday in this case as the Passover is a special Sabbath?
Yes. When people hear the word Sabbath, they think only of the 7th day Sabbath. But the passover and other holy days, also had sabbaths. There were even sabbath years, where the land itself, had to lay sabbath. Read Leviticus 23 slowly. You will find it all there. You may need to read it over and over. Thats using a KJV bible. Other versions change the wording, so people never get it.
@@astutik8909 just seen that Mark's gospel does indeed contradict John. Mark 14v12- 16 it is clearly a passover in Mark. So, Mark is not likely to be historical on this point. The passover and the sabbath begins at sundown so it's not likely that the next morning there would be a trial. Either way, Mark and John cant be both right.
The Gospel of Jesus was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own. The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives. Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story. It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th.
The language of eat my body and drink my blood is used by Jesus in the Gospel of John in the discourse on the Bread of Life in chapter 6. It is rather emphatic at John 6:53-57. Interestingly at John 6:66 many of his disciples left him.
According to Tabor, I guess John was under the spell of Paul too? Although it makes more sense to read John as a later gospel that does not attempt to restate what has already been written. It was apparently written as a supplement to existing writings. This of course undermines Tabor's use of it to somehow disprove the authenticity of the body and blood "in remembrance of me". If John authentically does not include the eucharistic ritual, how does he inauthentically include this "hard teaching" that accords with Paul? Also, the Didache's lack of eucharistic prayer can be explained in the same way that John's retelling of the Last Supper can be: the Didache is not teaching and demonstrating everything but instead is covering just some topics. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
@@mmss3199 You think this is probable based on what evidence? Was there a Council of Jerusalem at which differences were discussed and a consensus formed? The great controversy was the question of kosher and in particular circumcision. Why weren't theological questions and practice questions raised? Where is the evidence of controversy on these issues?
To my knowledge the Hebrew calendar is designed so no 2 days in a row can be a sabbath. Since cooking isn't allowed on the sabbath since it would require the kindling of a fire, back-to-back sabbaths would mean 2 days of cold food. Mosaic Law does not put this kind of burden on people.
@@eddie1948 Is cooking allowed on Yom Kippur? I am sure that I remember reading somewhere that the new year can be delayed by a day to keep either Rosh Hashana or Yom Kippur from falling on the day before the weekly Sabbath.
This is based on Barbara Thiering''s REVISIONIST chronology in her book "Jesus the Man". EITHER way, IF Jesus HAD been crucified on Thursday instead of Friday, he WOULD NOT have spent THREE DAYS in the tomb, since he "AROSE" early on SUNDAY BEFORE dawn. There is also the symbolism involved of Jesus DYING on the SIXTH Day of the week to SAVE Humanity from the doom of Damnation in parallel to the CREATION of Humanity on the "Cosmic" SIXTH Day. I'm not an expert in Levitical Judaism, BUT there are several other indications I will casually mention that the Prof can correct me about if I'm wrong; though he HASN'T ever responded to ANY of my other NUMEROUS previous posts on his many other videos that I have reviewed. The Sabbath of course as we are all familiar with who have any cultural if not religious association with Judeo-Christianity, was a day of REST on which NO work was allowed. Therefore, according to the "Gospels" (particularly "John's") it was NECESSARY that the preparations for the coming Passover be made on the day PRIOR TO the Sabbath. THIS is because Jews eat the Pesach Feast at MIDNIGHT, when the "Angel of the Lord" was said to have passed through the land of Egypt destroying the first-born of the Egyptians. While THIS was happening, the Hebrews were FEASTING SAFELY ensconced in their houses with the blood of the lambs smeared on their doorposts to prevent the Destroying Angel from attacking them. SUNDOWN for JEWS is the BEGINNING of the NEXT DAY, so the SABBATH would have ALREADY BEGUN by the time they were doing this. Therefore, they COULD NOT work to prepare the feast AFTER SUNSET. The NEXT DAY, according to the "Book of Exodus", Moses and Aaron went to Pharoah who told them to leave the land. They WOULD NOT have traveled in the DARK of NIGHT and ESPECIALLY, as according to the ANCIENT Hebrew calendar of the Passover, on a 🌑 night ! There was NO problem with WORKING the DAY of the PASSOVER, IF NOT a SABBATH of the SEVENTH Day, because it was ON THAT day that the Hebrews PACKED UP their possessions (work) and TRAVELED OUT of Egypt. Jews were NOT allowed to TRAVEL a FULL DAY'S journey on the Sabbath, so THAT would have made the EXODUS IMpossible IF it had occurred on THAT day of the week. Since Jews AREN'T allowed to WORK on the SABBATH, they PREPARE the next day's (Saturday's) meals of breakfast, lunch, and supper on FRIDAYS. IF the Passover of that particular year, WHICHEVER it was, had NOT been on a SABBATH/Saturday, they COULD have worked and traveled a full day. The "PREPARATION Day" mentioned by John WAS NOT the preparation day for the PASSOVER, but FOR the SABBATH; and WOULD have been the PREPARATION DAY regardless IF it had NOT been the Passover!! It was simply about PREPARING things that would OTHERWISE have been DONE the NEXT day as ANY other normal work day. Therefore, the TRADITIONAL interpretation of the Crucifixion Day as being on the FRIDAY of the PREPARATION DAY just before the SABBATH, REGARDLESS of it being the Passover, STILL APPLIES. HOWEVER, I think there WERE TWO "coincidental" reasons Jesus could NOT have been crucified on the next day of SATURDAY. ONE of course is that it WAS the SABBATH, and executions as well as ALL punishments to be inflicted (work) had to be SUSPENDED. BUT furthermore, punishments were NOT allowed to be inflicted on HOLY FESTIVAL days and they were therefore "Days of Reprieve". This being the case, it is OBVIOUS ANYWAY that Jesus and his disciples would NOT and COULD not have eaten the Feast on FRIDAY NIGHT because he had already been CRUCIFIED and was DEAD! So, FOR THEM, it HAD to be on the Thursday night; the TRADITIONAL day of the event for Christians. There is NO point in putting it on Wednesday night because, IF so, then WHAT were they doing on THURSDAY? The "Gospels" ALL AGREE in stating Jesus was betrayed AND arrested THE SAME NIGHT they ATE the "Last Supper". To claim that Jesus celebrated it and got arrested on WEDNESDAY night supports the absurd and "UNrecorded" claim that Jesus was "IMPRISONED" for a day and night awaiting his execution!! There is NOTHING, at least in ANY of the "canonical Gospels" (ESPECIALLY the "Johannine EYEWITNESS" one), to support that detail. It IS admittedly an ancient one, and "Pilate's Prison" of Jesus, allegedly commemorated as part of the church of the Holy Sepulchre(?!) by the emperor Constantine, is STILL SHOWN as PART of the Mythos. But it was just created to EXTEND the duration of the entire ALLEGED event and ENHANCE the drama. The BASIC "Gospel" narrative sequence is that Jesus ate the "Last Supper" establishing its significance as the symbol of the "New Covenant" and predicting what was SOON to occur following it; went out to pray where he was betrayed and arrested; taken to the former chief priest Annanias for a "pre-interrogation" UNofficial interview; THEN brought to the "official" Chief Priest Joseph Caiphas where he was judged and condemned to death; taken BEFORE morning to Pilate for confirmation of the conviction; and THEN sent to execution. It was a QUICK-PACED, "rapid-fire" scenario made to keep the suspense and tension of the drama heightened. There was NO "lag time" of waiting OR imprisonment. THAT would have WEAKENED the intensity of the drama and been a DRAG.
Foot washing! If the feet are clean then the whole body is clean. Head born first. How lovely on the mountains are the feet of them. Peter wanted his hands and head washed too. His father's sins removed. As long as he is washed, they are too! Daniel and many prayed for the sins of their fathers. His always had a problem with the father's. First father in one case. Looking up and looking back are synonymous. While most looked down the whole Israel trip, I was looking up. It's fascinating. Have a blessed sign of Jonah this week. 4/20 approx.
You're on the right track, but ... Many others arrive at a Wednesday crucifixion, mostly on account of the Jewish reckoning of time, which places the beginning of a day at sunset. This implies a resurrection on Saturday near sunset, exactly 3 days and 3 nights after he was laid "in the heart of the earth". Nobody went looking for him then because it was the weekly sabbath. Note that the angel's statement at dawn or pre-dawn on "the first of the week" is simply that "He is risen" - - it does not say that he just got up. Selah. This all would consequencially imply that Jesus was crucified in 29AD, which is actually quite consistent with the work of others pinpointing the year of his birth to 4 or 3 BC. BTW, the logical time to prepare all the burial spices would be on the Friday between the 2 sabbaths, a difficulty which remains with the Thursday death model: that way both intervening days are sabbaths, giving the women no time to do this work except when it would have been unlawful to.
@James Tabor If Jesus's crucifixion was the literal atonement sacrifice of Christianity (and given the story of Jesus Christ and Jesus Barabbas, isn't that hard to dismiss?), wouldn't this tale theoretically have played out at Yom Kippur rather than Passover? I accept some of the arguments of Historicists, but to concoct a theory with such specificity and literalism seems highly speculative, if not verging on Christian Apologetics.
Analyzing Jesus as if he is fake is all I hear on this channel. FAITH. Check the word Faith in your hearts. Jesus loves any person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods, that's why he came. ❤️✝️❤️
I know that the gospel of the holy twelve cannot be used as historical facts. But in the gospel of the holy twelve it does say that it was a pascal Sabbatical year and a lot of it early sayings of Jesus are in the gospel of the holy twelve
Mark influenced by Paul's teaching on Eucharist? You must be kidding by implying that Mark was a liar because he copied the teaching of eucharist from Paul. Mark was there at the Last Supper. He doesn't have to take Paul's teaching and fit it into his writings on the Last Supper. Mark was giving his eye witness account. On the contrary, Paul was learning things from the Apostles besides some direct revelations from Christ. Peter had a talk with Paul at the initial stage of Paul's conversion. In two - three days, Peter could have taught him many things of Jesus with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
Paul was a devout well trained Pharisee. If the communion practice was against Jewish custom then I doubt that he would have introduced it creatively from his own mind (emphasis on doubt). He got it from someone. Seems unlikely that he would have lied about it - but he did have a meeting with the disciples at one point to confirm correct teaching, so he says. In any regards, communion, with God, thru the bread and wine in memory of him is an absolutely beautiful concept and action. Every religion should practice it.
If you're saying that Apostle Paul is not proclaiming Jesus Christ (who is God) and a false apostle, you're denying the majority of the NT, and therefore also saying God's Word to be a lie. God does not lie. If you do not believe in the whole Bible as it is, what do you believe then? Gnostic-satanic lies? The whole world lies in wickedness. Either Jesus Christ, who is God Himself, or Satan. One chooses for himself, but every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is God. AMEN.
By sowing doubts, many hope to reap disbelief while pretending to respect Jesus and his legacy. Show your true face--all you want is to destroy Jesus and his legacy. Fortunately, after countless attempts of every possible kind, Jesus and His message live for all those willing to accept it.
Actually I believe the Last Supper was a betrothel ceremony. The scripture in Daniel about "oblation being cut off in the midst of the week, usually attributed to the AC, is the crucifixion on the 4th day (Wednesday) which gives 3 full days and nights for Yahoshua to rise up on Shabbat. When Miriam (Mary) went to the tomb he had already risen on the Sabbath !
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE GOSPEL OF THE HOLY TWELVE I know it's in the canons of historical writings. But Pascal Sabbath is in there. All about Jesus being a vegetarian was in there. The part where it says stop the sacrificial system in eating or meet in wrath will not cease from you, is in there. A lot of the early sayings from the book of Thomas is in there. They say that it was channeled. I don't think it was. I think it's early riding around the third century
agreed he was a master "teacher" . Christians just happen to believe he was indwelled by the All beyond the Pleroma and that more than any other. Not really complicated. We will all find out imo lol. Fellow Christians it takes great artistic skill and wisdom and scholarship for these scholars to present truth in such an unveiled way. Pay heed.
I think the resurrection is signified by the "GREAT earthquake" which occured "late on the Sabbath as it was beginning to DUSK" (Gk. Epiphoskos:a degree of shading of light) which is what is actually happening at the end of the Sabbath. It's getting darker not lighter as in "dawn"! (Mt.28:1-2).
@@termination9353 Aramaic reads "it's been 3 days since..." indicating that three days had already passed by the time they made the remark. Wed. crucifixion and a late Sabbath resurrection would be 3 days AND 3 nights.
In regards to Pauline influence on the understanding of the Lord's supper, what do you think about John 6 "I am the bread of Life", John 1:1 "In the beginning was the word/teaching and the word/teaching was..." and 1John 1:1-2 "the word/teaching of life" Jesus says he is the way, truth and life (the teaching, the torah) Judaism teaches from long ago the teaching/wisdom/logos god gave was with him from the beginning (proverbs 8), not that jesus literally preexisted, but that he is a perfect reflection or representation of Gods character and personality. The torah was imprinted on him from birth and he never knew sin. In John 6 jesus states he is the bread of life, the promise of eternal life god gave in the garden to adam and eve, the tree of life. This promise was made manifest when jesus put on incorruption at his ressurection, and all the disciples beheld an eternal body and witnessed with their own eyes the firstfruits of the promise of eternal life for us. Its hard to imagine the lords supper not being a jewish development, they take the kiddush bread and wine and make it the sinless body of christ, unleavened, not literally eating his flesh but metaphorically we take in his teachings and it feeds us, marks us for the resurrection to life eternal. It really isnt a stretch for any jew except modern jesus weary jews. The bread is his body, his teaching, pure, no leaven from the pharisees or saducees, the wine is his blood, poured out so that when we remember, we are convicted of our sins, that because of our sins an innocent man, who could have ushered in the kingdom right there, had to die because of our ignorant actions. And he won't be back until we declare blessed is he who comes in the name of YHWH. We mourn for this great and catastrophic loss the same as if we lost a son, and we reflect on how our actions and sins cause the wrong men to be killed or tormented. By realizing we create this injustice, and we repent, and sin no more, then we are forgiven of our sins. This is the bread and the wine, very jewish, very rabbinic/pharisaic, and only modern judaism sees it as strange.
The Gospel of John is a reporting narrative from the view of what took place in contrast to what Messiah did. He always refers to the corrupt Temple priesthood observances as feasts 'of the Jews'. Messiah kept the true Passover on the correct day of 14 Abib from morning to morning.
Dr Tabor I'm very astonished, you still stick so literal to the text. Did it ever occur to you that the story of the Last Supper is a way to explain Passover for the proselytes? That accounts for all Synoptic Gospels. Did it ever occur to you that 1 Corinthians 11 is not from Paul? Did you ever notice that this text is about the establishment of the Christian community and not about theological concepts of the eucharist or the protestant's version of those? Did you ever notice that the theological interpretation of the eucharist is founded by John of Damascus, the last Greek Church-father? More important did you ever read or heard of the theory that Judas Iscariot is a concept that appeared first in Mark? Bishop Spong +, shows a very solid and well-thought-out explanation why Judas is not historical and can't be. Did you ever notice that Paul never ever talks about a betrayal by Judas? It would be very logical that something like that would be remembered. Did you ever notice that the so-called entrance in Jerusalem of Jesus doesn't fit within the Jewish liturgical order of the festivals? In that way it is very interesting to notice that (real) Paul never tells about the Pesach as the timeframe wherein Jesus was executed. Moreover he tells in Philippians that he was the perfect sacrifice, a word that does reflect the Lamb without corruption used at Jom Kippoer. And that explains the idea that he became the Lamb of God, that takes up all the sins of the world. Given the idea that the Gospels (synoptic) follow the Jewish liturgical calendar, then Mark is very interesting. He begins with baptism/mikwah and ends with Pesach. And who does say or denotes Jesus as the Lamb of God? Yes John the Baptist or the Forerunner. It is very clear to me that the story of the last supper is a created story as is the story about Judas. Judas is just the scapegoat not to accuse the Romans for Jesus death and to cover-up the verdict of Jesus to be convicted as a state-criminal. The Holy Week is just a summary of the life of Jesus: Palm Sunday being the entrance of the king in Jerusalem (Rosh Hashanah) and ending in Pesach. There are to much open ends to be sure that those Gospels are historical records. In my opinion they are no historical records but a catechesis for the proselytes and written after the destruction of the Temple/Jerusalem. But when you read them as a catechesis, then suddenly it makes all sense.
IN 3 GOSPELS, ALREADY ON THEIR WAY TO JERUSALEM, Jesus told His disciples what was going to happen, that He will die, and rose again, meaning He knew His Father will not spare Him to fulfill what had been planned Isaiah 53.
It’s fascinating to see how scholars studying the life of Jesus for decades miss to see the obvious and end up looking like fools. It’s absolutely fascinating. Indeed the kingdom God is revealed and given to “children” but the wisemen of this world completely misses it. That’s the will of the father.
Jewish days begin at sundown and NOT ad midnight as we do today. So Wednsday begins at 6pm tuesday... The faithful Baptist church which was never part of the Roman church has always known that Jesus was crucified during the day on wednsday the preperation day of the passover. He had to be off the cross before 6pm when Tuursday Passover began, which is the evening the passover meal was eaten... so Jesus last supper was after sunset Tuesday which is after Wednsday had begun.
why would paul fasten himself onto the idea of a dead messianic claimant he'd never even met? I don't doubt some of what is said here, I just can't imagine what would move him to do that, a dead messiah he'd never even met. why?
I have been a fan of Dr. Tabor's since he came out with Jesus Dynasty. As for "Jesus," I have never believed a stitch about the "resurrection" nor the miracles, etc. Men are born from sperm and egg. Men don't walk on water. Such tales are purely mythical, and similar tales are found in Buddhism, and every other religion. If people would just "do unto others...." what a wonderful world it would be, and we don't need any religion to tell us what should be common sense.
If there were 2 back to back sabbaths, there would not be a time that the women could buy burial spices.( no buying or selling on a sabbath Mark 16:1 [1]And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. Therefore, I believe he was put in the tomb late Wednesday evening His prophecy of 3 days and 3 nights in the earth works out perfectly as well.
Tabor labors the commonplace observation that there is no record of 'the' Eucharist' in the fourth gospel, comparable to what we find in Paul (I Corinthians) and the synoptics. But he neglects the extended discourse following the 'Eucharistic' miracle story, The Feeding Of The Five Thousand, (John 6.1-14). It contains the dominical logion '"I am the bread of life; he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall never thirst.'" (6.35); and continues: ''The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, "I am the bread which came down from heaven." (v 41) 'The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat" So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed and my blood is drink indeed. "(vv 52-56). This is piss poor, and incomplete at that, a complete waste of time. The working premise is category mistaken - scripture isn't history in the first instance, but theology. Next time, concern yourself with 'theological' truth perhaps.
The Gospel of Jesus was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own. The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives. Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story. It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th.
You have to laugh, the crucifixion was on Thursday & the whole bread & wine thing is a fiction invented by Paul. 😂Honestly if Jesus ever read Paul's contributions to the NT I seriously doubt he'd recognise himself.
@@termination9353 I'm with Dr Tabor it's simply pointless listening to wacko's who write in capitals & get their idea's from misunderstanding the Gospels. The gospels have limitations as a historical record. Can you refrain from replying to my comments? I'm simply not interested in your views.
How anyone can read the 3 gospels that plainly describe that the disciples preapred a Passover meal and deny that Messiah kept that Passover, clearly just has no reading comprehension.
He had the passover meal, this is after sunset of the 14th day. He is taken by priest guards early in the morning, still the 14th. Later, same day, he is crucified and gives up the ghost at the 9th hour. Before the Sabbath, before sunset, he is placed in the tomb. He rest on the Sabbath and God raised him early on the 1st day of the week. So, we have the 14th, 15th (Sabbath) and the 16th resurrection. I suggest you read Matthew Ch 26-27, Mark Ch 14-16, Luke Ch 22-24 and John Ch 18-20 kjv. Understanding the Book of John, the Jews would have stoned Yeshua if it were not for the day of Passover....so, they could not put him to death, this is why they needed the Romans to do the deed. So, the three days are 14th (Friday) 15th (Sabbath) and 16th (first Day of the Week). Peace!
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While I oftern agree with much of what Dr. Tabor discusses, like many others, I see the date of crucifixtion as April 3, 33 AD, as this is the year frame of the blood moons and solar eclipes spoken about, and 3, 33 is definately a divine pattern.This would bring us back to a Friday crucifiction...As well, John is a very dubious sources, for the Jesus's mother is a no name and only appears for the miracle of wine (a very Thracian, Dionysion point of sales...Jesus was a Nazerenes, they seldom drink wine, and he would not test God with such a frivolous request...hence this was a point of sales mention...Jews mention by name, important women. Paul also drops Sarah name but uses Hagar; this is not a Jewish tradition, but Thracian and Greek. In fact, by naming Hagar, she become more significant as she is a real entity and it become a dig of removal of Sarah...As well, the crucifiction: Jesus mother is a no name, and she is not mentioned in any of the other crucifiction stories as being present...She was inserted to down-play the real importance of Mariam Magdela (the Tower of Faith)...The no-name mother of John and the no name mother Sarah in all likelihood had the same redactor.
If you read the gospels carefully, you will see it only says, fruit of the vine, not wine. Whereas in the wedding of Cana, the word wine is specifically used.
You said something went wrong - Jesus did not have anything go wrong. He was and is God, and God doesn't make mistakes. You must remember the Jewish day starts on the evening before the day. Jesus died on a Friday afternoon, at 3pm by our time. He was buried immediately at the nearby tomb (about 3:30pm) and at 6pm it was the beginning of Saturday, the day of Passover. So He was in the tomb (part of) Friday, all of Saturday and part of Sunday as He rose at dawn on Sunday morning, the 3rd day. Luke 24:6-7: "Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 'The Son of Man must be delivered over to the hands of sinners, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.'"
It works, easy, on DSS Calendar. He Ate The Passover, and He Burned The Remains, at Dawn. The Jews' passover, being Subject to The Moon, rather than to The Creator of The Moon, was a day later. Either that, or another specific condition, which is kinda complicated to explain, must've been present.
something modern christians are conflicted with, the dead sea scrolls compilation shows the wide variety of scripture used by the culture of the early church to gain understanding...have totally unique views expressed as a a compilation. Uniformity is only sought to form communities and doesn't apply to the spiritual light within. That is individual (vs what will we stress as a community). Modern Christians are waking up
The eating of the Messiah tradition goes back to God's incarnation among the cat people of old, when he made his first voluntary sacrifice to feed his family after he was lame and could no longer lead their pack in the hunt. That pattern was repeated many times, in the age of Taurus by the centaur Messiah Chiron/Enkidu who sacrificed himself to protect his protege Herakles/Gilgamesh and by the much maligned Goat Messiah Ba-El, who led the recovery of civilization following the Bronze Age collapse till his ritual sacrifice by the new chosen tribe he had lifted up out of slavery. Gratitude has never been humanity's strong suit.
Yes, the Lutheran Bible says this. I won't get het up over it. Praise God Jesus faced this for us. Scripturally there were only the unleavened bread, the unbroken Passover lamb, and the bitter herbs (Exodus 12:8), but perhaps like our agape feasts they had other elements of a festive meal. The "Seder" thing came from paganism....isn't it funny what Satan seeks to twist? (Oh...He washed their feet before supper.)
Dear James, thank you for your working on historical Jesus. Maybe you can proof, if Jesus not dies on passover but on sukkot. This will solving some problems in the text of Mark 11 -13. For example the green twigs (gr. stibadas in Mk 11,8), or the fig tree, which has no friuts but foliage (Mk 11,13) and shall get green again in Summer (Mk13,28). Or the allegory of the bad winemakers makes more sense in autumn instead of spring (Mk12,1-12). Maybe the chapters Mk 11-13 are an jewish Midrasch to the book of the prophet Sacharja. And maybe, this is my opinion, the speaker of this Midrasch ist James the Just. He does it in the area of the Jerusalem temple until he is murdered in 63 AD. After his death it would be translated in Greek and Mk found it in one source of his gospel and composed it in his sight of view. best greatings from Germany
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Why would Paul, a Pharisee, introduce aspects of a pagan blood ritual into the new way of Judaism for no reason? Blood is strictly forbidden for every Jew since Moses. And everybody, including the jewish apostles who were still alive at the time and witnessed the last supper, accepts such a change from Paul? Only god, who gave Moses the law, has the authority to change the rules for sacrifice. Paul would not toy with this. As a Pharisee he literaly carried the law his whole life (the Tefillin) around his arm. In the Didache chapter 10 is a sentence that very well suggests the eucherist as the symbolic blood and flesh of Jesus: “You didst freely give spiritual food and drink and life eternal through Thy Servant (Jesus).” Since the main accusation against early Christians was a form of cannibalism during worship, I would not be surprised if the explanation was oral teaching to protect the catechumens.
As a layman agnostic, the more I learn about Christianity, the more I see it as first century Jewish apocolypticism - debates, arguments, philosophies, etc. Sounds to me like they are all talking about a political "savior" coming soon to lead the Jews and establish Israel as a nation-kingdom and free themselves of the Roman Empire. Frankly I don't see how it applies to my life in the 21st century. Not trying to insult anyone. Just my honest thoughts.
God is not the author of confusion. Since christianity began there has been nothing less than confusion. There is no way Jesus would have asked Peter to lead his church. For the Love of God the strongest disciple denied him.
As citizens of an at least nominal democracy with notions of due process and rights of the accused, we seriously underestimate how little provocation the Romans needed to execute someone. A moral reformer could be executed merely for being popular. Popularity is a kind of power that the Romans were always jealous of. Scholars have suggested this as the real reason for John the Baptist getting executed. John Dominic Crossan has said that Jesus was probably in this category. He thinks that if the movement had been trying to set up a government or overthrow Roman rule, there would have been 13 crosses, not one. That seems right to me. Whether there were 13 crosses or not, a political movement would have gotten the hell out of Jerusalem. We have evidence from Paul and Josephus that they didn’t.
What if it was a new archetype that he brought in on a cellular level? It’s not him is aspects of our consciousness we have been unable to reach in a low frequency…good for thought
See, now, i come up with something completely different. To me, Christianity is neoplatonic cynicism. I don't accept the Gospels as historically reliable. I *know* there's a meditative experience that can last seven days. i think Jesus led the rebellion in 65 CE; he was a military man, Jesus ben Judas.
The lesson for today is how we can all be misled, that the brain started as a comfort finder and is in us becoming a coherence detector, and there might actually be a person Truth and we in community His body.
I think the Bronze Age collapse was the first "global" labour action. The second was "the Christ event", whatever that was. And it's time for the third: enough establishment BS; no more "elite".
I have been a Christian for close to 70 years and have always had problems with the "3 days" concept. Never could figure out how the Bible could put 3 days into a 2 day event. This thinking really helps me by having the 2 Sabbath's.
I can't get the video to play so I don't know what he said however in the Christian School I attended they told us that it was a mistranslation and should be three watches. A watch being approximately 12 hours and there being two watches a day.
some offshoots have already been all over this...seventh dayers and some others. Thats why its so important to churches to get people to believe others are always trying to deceive them
Rebuild the Temple in 3 days friday, Saturday, Sunday. Start the work on Friday finish it by Sunday.
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Where's the three nights??? 😮
"On the third day" vs "three days" are different lengths of time.
Like 0 being the first number vs 1 being the number noting a completion of a whole unit.
Would love to see a TV miniseries based on Dr. Tabor's plausible version of the story of Jesus.
I would love to see a TV series that shows the Gospels the way the EASTERN Orthodox know them to be in reality. The WEST changed the calendar and the time the day starts, plus many other spurious innovations. Then people get a news flash that these Western Innovations don't add up. No kidding. Go look at the 60 Minutes documentary on Mout Athos that is readily available on RUclips and learn something about ancient Christians that exist even today in the Eastern Orthodox Christian faith. Bob Simon did the documentary, and it is concise and to the point. The Western Church split from the Eastern Church towards the end of the First Millennium and then continues innovations ans further splits and reforms continued in the West until the doctrines, practices, and approach radically changed from the Apostles teachings. Some ministers get back to the correct interpretation and practice, and then you have entire communities in the West rejoining the Orthodox Church. Celibacy was never meant for all priests, and only monk priests did that. This has remained the same in Orthodoxy from day one, but the Roman Catholics made it mandatory, and the Protestants abandoned it. This is but one example of the deviations. The other is the calendar, the true Orthodox like on Athos kept the Ancient Julian Calendar, and the West went with Pope Gregory's innovation. I could go on, but you get the idea.
I've studied this extensively and have come to the conclusion that He was crucified on Wednesday, and buried at dusk just prior to Passover beginning at sunset. Wednesday night thru Thursday was the first day. Thursday night thru Friday was the 2nd day. And then Friday night thru Saturday was the 3rd day. Jesus was resurrected Saturday at dusk, exactly 3 days AND 3 nights as He said.
I've seen people try to argue that any part of a day is considered a day. However, when the expression "3 days AND 3 nights" is included together, it means an entire 3 days and 3 nights. A Wednesday crucifixion is the only possible time frame.
Also, we have the statement that the women went out and bought spices to prepare for his body. The only time this could have occurred was between the 2 sabbaths, the first day of Unleavened Bread on Thursday, and then the weekly sabbath on Saturday. They had to have bought spices on Friday, the only day they could have bought the spices. Some have argued that the spices were bought Saturday night after the weekly sabbath was over. But this is not possible. We are told in Luke 23:56 "And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment." If they bough spices after the weekly sabbath then how could they have rested for the weekly sabbath? Impossible.
The only possible explanation is that He was crucified on Wednesday and was resurrected at dusk on Saturday night.
I used to be a member of the Worldwide Church of God, And this is what we used to believe. Cause it means that Jesus was wandering around or Saturday night or maybe was in the tomb until Sunday morning… So that seems like a very strange and lonely time for him.
But, this seems to be pretty much the only timeline that makes sense.
There is some scripture somewhere that says something like quote he will be cut off in the midst of the week.”
@@johnnyxmusic Yes, H.W.A. had it as you said, he also believed the Jews by Christs time had the time of the Passover wrong in that they should have been killing the lambs in the beginning of the 14 rather than the end of the 14. He had come to that conclusion, through re interpreting the instructions in Exodus, because of the accounts in the synoptic gospels which has Jesus eating the Passover meal the beginning of the 14th rather than the beginning of the 15th. John of course calls it the last supper, not the Passover. My conclusion is that they must have had a Passover meal one day early. Christ did actually die about the time Passover lambs were to be killed, before the 15th, the annual sabbath which I suspect fell on the weekly sabbath that year as can happen. Due to the fact the disciples said it is now the third day Luke 24:21, I tend to think that this was one of the times the annual sabbath and the weekly sabbath coincided. I suspect the term, "three days and three nights" is idiom for three days rather than an exact 72 hours.
If in fact Jesus was crucified in a year the two sabbaths coincided, it shouldn't be to hard to know the exact year in that decade.
James Tabor has mentioned his awareness of H.W.A. and is familiar with Earnest Martins ideas. I am under the impression Tabor had some contact with Martin.
@@wilfredmancy I don’t recall all of the exact details. Certainly there does seem to be some shifting around the idea of how the last supper was a pass over meal etc. etc. And the slipperiness of the Sabbath or if there’s two Sabatte’s that we score the exact timing of it. But there’s a passage where it says the only sign that should be given is the sign of Jonah… Just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the big fish so Jesus will be three days and three nights in the heart of the Earth.
Are these things important? I don’t know. Are they ways to set True believers apart from sort of believers? I don’t know. Are Christian supposed to be keeping Saturday is the sabbath day because it’s an eternal covenant? Or do we say it doesn’t matter? Or now we celebrate the Lords day because Jesus rose on Sunday even though there’s a reason to believe that he actually Rose on Saturday before sunset.
And what about celebrating Christmas which is not in the Bible. And certainly Jesus was not born on December 25. Maybe when Jesus returns he’ll come and say oh you guys did a pretty good job let’s celebrate and here’s the kingdom. I don’t know.
I step back for most of this stuff as a way of preserving my mental health. Although it seems that true devotion to a spiritual path requires a certain kind of insanity, or at least dedication and devotion to the point where you’re Kind of uncomfortable at certain times.
@@johnnyxmusic Yes, I agree, we need to know our uncertainties , and step back from having to be sure when we know we aren't sure, to not trouble ourselves to much, we can still be curious and interested of course.
Our faith did center on the need to observe the Sabbath to be faithful to Christ, certainly in my mind it did.
I now think that the sabbath was Gods' sign on the old covenant Ezekiel 20:12, 20, and now see it as a shadow or sign of a coming reality Col. 2:16,17, that our rest is in Jesus, Matt.11:28. That Jesus is our rest.
None the less I find allowing my self a weekly day of rest good for mental health and happiness.
John 19: 31 indicates the looming sabbath was a special sabbath, which it was, the 15th, but was it also a weekly sabbath?
Dec the 25th wasn't Jesus' birthday. It has been argued though that it is the day the wise men came to worship him about 15 months after his birth, hence Herod killing the boys up to 2 years old.
Good luck with the jig saw puzzle.
@@wilfredmancy There are some interesting narratives about Jesus birth. Anyway… I totally agree about the wisemen not being there at the birth. But some sources say that the manger that Jesus was born in was this special tower or the base of the special tower where are the special sacrificial lambs for the temple or captain watched out for. I mean… That’s really cool if it happened like that.
And then someone says well there’s a famous Evangelical guy who says that the blood from Jesus on the cross on Golda to dripped all the Way down to the mercy seat of the ark of the covenant and so Jesus’ blood it’s like the blood of the perfect sacrifice in all of that stuff. Again, fantastic poetry if it happened that way.
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the truth is no one living today can say ,,this is how it happened,, because they simply were not there.😇
🕊There’s verse saying from Jesus he shall not drink of the cup until they are with him again. Now, a thousand days are as one in heaven. It is just about time for that !
Wed. crucifixion with a "late on the Sabbath as it began to DUSK toward the first day of the week..." resurrection= 3 days AND 3 nights (72hrs) just like Yeshua said!
Nothing about a godman dying for sins and being resurrected on the third in the Hebrew scriptures.
I am not a Christian, and I am unsure if I am nitpicking here, James, but according to Jewish law, the first day of Passover-also known as Pesach-is not a Sabbath. However, it has many restrictions similar to those of the Sabbath. Jews would not call it a Sabbath. The funerals are generally not held on the festival days of Passover so if it was 30 CE there would be a rush to bury him immediately before the Passover.
Did not Paul meet Peter? Would he not have asked what happened at their final supper?
But Paul doesn't say he received it from an eye-witness like Peter, but "from the Lord".
@@keithsmith3678 Yes. I understand that, my friend. I'm just wondering out loud, thinking Paul must have asked Peter lots of questions.
No peter dicked paul!
What's more problematic is that all the synoptic gospels have Jesus predict the second temple destruction. If Paul met Peter....why didn't Peter tell him this?
@Luke Williams It is possible that Jesus did not predict the destruction of the temple. These words could have been put in his mouth by the earliest church to up his prophecy cred to bring in more converts. Same with the miracles.
Why does this matter? Surely the message of forgiveness and love is what is important.
It is entirely possible and valid for the literality of the Eucharist to not be important to you at all. As usual, Dr. Tabor is not trying to validate or invalidate a specific custom or belief, but is instead exploring the historicity of certain ideas through a historically materialist lense. In doing so, we can get a fascinating perspective on how we may view history in inverted ways. Discussing the progenitorship of Paul can invert how we see the influences that affected the authors of the Gospels, which is, in itself, utterly fascinating.
I agree that "eating flesh" and "drinking blood", were not part of Jesus' repertoire. Books that make that claim, are wrong.
......WHAT???.......😎
I'm with you, Jesus simply wouldn't have said anything like that. If he had the disciples would've been horrified. Drink blood & eat flesh!! They were all Torah observant Jews. I commented earlier saying if Jesus ever read Paul's contributions to the NT he wouldn't recognise himself.
Books like the gospel of John? Matthew? Mark? Luke?
@@ronzuniga7155 Hi Ron! I wrote that Jesus wasn't a Zombie, a Cannibal, and a Vampire. But that's just me.
@@ghawley5014 Whoever wrote the Gospels they got it off Paul & Paul only experienced hallucinatory meetings with Jesus. Why any Torah observant Jew would talk about eating flesh & drinking blood is simply beyond belief.
Jesus was arrested just after wednsday began ((which is after 6pm tuesday.).. He was brought before the Jewish elder, condemned, then brought before Pilate Wednsday morning... Crucified Wednsday afternoon, then burried beforevWednsday ended at 6pm...
is this clearer? This is the only way you get three days and nights in the tomb... He rosae from the dead well before Dawn Sunday...
Dr. Gene Scott taught this 40 yrs. ago, but know one listened. It's about time.
All this is based on His death in 30AD. What I'd He died in 32AD?
Every one is raking their brains about the Passover meal etc etc...no one is bothered about the torture, exhilarating pain, agony and all that Our Lord Jesus & his mother went through. Just believe in Jesus derp down in your hearts n follow his teachings of forgiveness n love to all.
Having the Last Supper be on Wednesday night makes sense of the acclaimation of the Nicean Creed, "And on the third day he rose again from the Dead". Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights makes Sunday the third day after His crucifixion.
All I can say is wow
try to swallow. jesus wants you to have his cum!
Jesus did celebrate the passover, but according to the essene calendar in the year 33AD.
Jesus and the apostles left Bethany and entered Jerusalem on Sunday riding on a donkey (9th of Nisan Jewish calendar date). Jesus and his followers probably forced his entourage before the procession of the high priest behind him who ceremonially carried the passover lamb from Bethlehem on that same hour.
arrangements were made to stay for the preparation of the passover at the essene quarter. this was done by following an essene carrying a jar of water that Monday (10th of Nisan).
they were still staying in an upper room in the essene quarter and celebrated the Passover (11th of Nisan) and feast of unleavened bread according to the calendar of the Essenes (12th of Nisan). Jesus and the apostles probably finished the meal at 9 and went to the garden of gethsemane. he was most likely arrested around 10 or 11pm. he would have been taken to the house of annas, the high priest and went through the kangaroo court of the sadducees around midnight and thrown in the dungeon that night. his formal trial before the Sanhedrin and caiaphas at the hall of hewn stone would have been on the 12th of Nisan after the trumpet of the first tamid. he would have been detained again at the dungeon of annas (13th of Nisan).
he would have been taken before pilate in the praetorium (palace complex of Herod where the 2 palaces were situated).
Jesus was probably cross examined by pilate in the morning and passed on to Herod after lunch on the opposite palace. he was probably held in detention that night inside the barracks behind pilate's palace, 14th of Nisan.
Jesus was then presented to the crowd outside the southern gate of the palace complex with barabas, at the judgment seat. he was sentenced and scourged in the morning of 14th of Nisan and carried the cross beam to calvary, an 8-15 minute walk, probably more in Jesus case. it is more probable that Jesus and the two thieves were led out by the north gate and walked along the street by the north wall of the palace complex to the site of the present holy sepulcher which was a rock quarry and garden and tombs. this area was not enclosed by the Third wall by Agrippa I until 41-44AD. Jesus expired on 14th of Nisan just as the horn of the second tamid was blown and the signal to slaughter the passover lambs was heard.
the chronology of and logistics of events becomes more practical and reasonable, especially for men of power like pilate and Herod. the narrative of the gospel narrative becomes realistic in this reconstructed timeline of events. the apparent contradictory accounts of mark and John confused people for the longest time. only with the discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls are we now able to understand that two calendars were in operation and that everything happened according to the narrative and we are able to deduce the exact dates. furthermore, circumstantial evidence points to the humble brag of mark that he was the youth who fled naked that night and that he was most likely an essene and a scribe. mark narrates according to his calendar, the calendar of the Essenes. while John narrates according to the jewish calendar.
Thankyou indeed for all these details, but I am not an religious historian nor a theologian & I shall need to read this again & then probably ask, if I am able to, either of the aforementioned ´people to structurally 'walk' me through all of this. Thankyou again.
Very impressive
how old were the apostles?
Great job in your presentation of facts. The Truth is more important than what people expect
facts or fucks?
Jesus was announced as king of Israel in that choice between Jesus and Barabbas. Quickly said, Pilot dressed Jesus up as King, Pilot presented Jesus to the Sanhedrin and high priest among the crowd as "their King". Told the crowd to choose to crucify "their King" or Barabbas. The Saducees and High Priest chose "their king" Jesus to be crucified and instigated the Jewish crowd to choose "their King" to be crucified..... and so the Priesthood anointed Jesus as their king in order for him to be executed. And Pilat published this fact above Jesus head at a time when Jerusalem was most crowded of Jews from all over the realm.
What this accomplished was to legalize according to Torah law Jesus' amended covenant and make irrelevant all burdensome Talmudic rules.
I think Jesus and Pilat planned it together. Neet trick on the Sanhedrin huh.
Facts or story time?
Lots of speculation.
Why did they wait until the 13th of Nissan to make plans for passover? The lamb is supposed to be set apart on the 10th day.
Thx Dr Tabor! Super!
How do you know Jesus died in year 30 and not in year 33 as generally believed?
Jesus told Tabor in a dream.
Passover (14th of Nisan) isn't a "high day". At sunset begins the 15th which is , along with the 21st.
Chag Sameach, James!
I never could figure out how the morning of the third day was Sunday morning if Jesus was buried Friday just before sundown. If that was so it seemed Friday to Saturday sundown = 1st day. Saturday to Sunday sundown = 2nd day.... Monday morning would be the morning of the third day.
FRIDAY CRUCIFIXION ABSOLTE MATHEMATICAL CERTAINTY Luke 24:21 "..:to day (Sunday) is the third day since these things were done (Jesus crucified)."
@@termination9353 ---- the problem arises when Jesus said he would be 3 days and 3 nights -- you aren't getting 3 of each
@@bonesrhodes3762 Jesus only said that for the Jonah prophesy "after 3 days and 3 nights" (which would mean a rising on the FOURTH day). This is not a prophesy of Jesus in the grave. This is a prophesy for the Second coming and hasn't happened yet. And is not relevant to Jesus' crucifixion and rising.
@@termination9353 ---- congratulations: you seem to be a committee of 1 on that interpretation
@@bonesrhodes3762 Which is an admission that you thoughtlessly go along with the Devil's consensus and don't have any of your own brain in your head. “Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.” -Orwell 1984
Last supper - Tuesday night: Wednesday - crucifixion: Thursday - annual Sabbath unleavened bread: Friday - prepare spices: Saturday - rested according to the commandment: Sunday morning - He had already risen (at the end of the Sabbath, 3 days and 3 nights after being put in the tomb.)
I was living in myth. I wasted my life in Christian rituals (Orthodox background) full of
Miracles , devils casting.. etc
Free at last.
Does it really matter if it was Wednesday Thursday , Friday , really
The narrator assumes the gospels to be historically accurate.
In those days
1. very few people could read, let alone write.
2. Judea, colonized by Rome, was in a state of flux. Freedom fighters in guerilla war against Romans,
3. Many messiahs including several called Yeshua (savior)
4. First gospels written mid 60s AD
How would one remember what one Yeshua said 30 years earlier? Whom did they interview? Why were the original manuscripts in Greek when the disciples were uneducated Aramaic speakers?
"Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16 For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God" luke 22 .. scripture states the meal WAS the passover meal.. but as Tabor points out, it takes place on Weds and not Thursday .
Question, how does the Ghospel of Judas fall in line with this information?
It doesn't fall anywhere, it sinks in lies
There is no gospel of judas - The Gospel of Jesus was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own. The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives. Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story. It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th.
@@termination9353 Actually there is and it was found near the place where the Ghospels of Mary were found in Egypt & now are in the same place as the Dead Sea Scrolls
@@termination9353 blablabla Davinci code jadajada
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Erm, that one Damascus road thingy.
Freaking brilliant. If only my fellow Christians would up their game to this level of scholarship. 3pm 14th...eve of 14th and day of 15th (to 3pm)...one day...eve of 15th and day of 16th (to 3pm) two days....eve of 15th to day (morning) of 16th...3 days...brilliant. Finally...sighs. 17th..discovered empty. Dude you really helped me with this. Thank you. Also ....the ark upon Arat...same date. The red sea parting..same date if im correct on this. Got to use the change in dates in the OT...search youtube title" Stunning Study -Jesus Resurrected On The Exact Same Day That Noah's Ark Rested & The Red Sea Parted "
FRIDAY CRUCIFIXION ABSOLTE MATHEMATICAL CERTAINTY Luke 24:21 "..:to day (Sunday) is the third day since these things were done (Jesus crucified)."
I'm not sure why Dr. Tabor clings to Thursday. He keeps Mark as the primary and original text, with Matthew inserting the "three days and three nights". Mark only says "3 days", which would allow the Friday-Sunday correlation. Preparation day is for the Sabbath, and Passover was never celebrated on a Thursday as to not interfere with the Sabbath preparations.
@@ezekielsaltar4728 The only place you get "AFTER" 3 days and 3 nights (which would mean a rising on the 4th day) is the Jonah prophesy. All other references to Jesus crucifixion and rising Jesus says ON 3rd day (pay attention guys). The Jonah prophesy is a separate prophesy to take place in the Second Coming/hasn't happened yet.
@@ezekielsaltar4728 FRIDAY CRUCIFIXION ABSOLTE MATHEMATICAL CERTAINTY Luke 24:21 "..:to day (Sunday) is the third day since these things were done (Jesus crucified)."
@@termination9353 Yes, I agree, if you apply the "sign of Jonah" to this week you can't reconcile a Good Friday.
Why two Sabbath days?
The feast day of Unleavened Bread on the 15th of Abib is a 'high Sabbath' or 'proclaimed Sabbath' (Lev 23), which differs from the weekly 7th day Sabbath.
0:33 it couldnt be Thursday, according to sign of Jonah 3 days and 3 nights = 72 hours, if Jesus placed in grave before sunset and was missing at sunday morning then it was less than 72 hours. Jesus had to be crucified on Wednesday and risen before sunset of Sabbath (saturday) - but his missing was noticed right before saturday sunset
I do not understand the logic. Passover frequently falls on a Friday. Also, though Passover is a holiday, I have never heard of it referred to as a Sabbath day. In fact, there is no prohibition against working during Passover which, do not forget, is a holiday that lasts for eight days.
Furthermore, the Sabbath is not on a Saturday. The Sabbath begins Friday at sundown. So if there was a rush to get Jesus buried, it had to happen before sundown Friday. That would suggest the crucifixion took place Friday morning...
...if at all.
Read Leviticus 23 and educate yourself. Holy days were called sabbaths. Distinct from 7th day sabbaths.
Passover isn't a day. It's a meal. It begins the first day of Unleavened Bread which is a holy day.
@@thejobslayers Sorry - the meal and accompanying service is called a Seder. Pesach is the holiday, and it lasts for 8 or in some traditions 7 days.
@@rlsfrny, The Days of Unleavened Bread and Passover are called the Passover by the Jews, but technically, they are 2 separate things. Passover is the meal, and the 7 Days of Unleavened Bread follow.
@@thejobslayers Please do not lecture a Jewish person about what the Jews believe. Passover is not the meal. The meal is called the Seder.
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So the synoptics don't contradict John - it's not that Jesus dies on Thursday in John and Friday in the synoptics, but rather they all have Jesus dying on Thursday? But the confusion is that Matthew, Mark and Luke refer to the Sabbath, which is not Friday but Thursday in this case as the Passover is a special Sabbath?
Yes. When people hear the word Sabbath, they think only of the 7th day Sabbath. But the passover and other holy days, also had sabbaths. There were even sabbath years, where the land itself, had to lay sabbath.
Read Leviticus 23 slowly. You will find it all there. You may need to read it over and over.
Thats using a KJV bible.
Other versions change the wording, so people never get it.
@@astutik8909 just seen that Mark's gospel does indeed contradict John. Mark 14v12- 16 it is clearly a passover in Mark.
So, Mark is not likely to be historical on this point. The passover and the sabbath begins at sundown so it's not likely that the next morning there would be a trial. Either way, Mark and John cant be both right.
The Gospel of Jesus was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own. The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives. Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story. It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th.
The language of eat my body and drink my blood is used by Jesus in the Gospel of John in the discourse on the Bread of Life in chapter 6. It is rather emphatic at John 6:53-57. Interestingly at John 6:66 many of his disciples left him.
According to Tabor, I guess John was under the spell of Paul too? Although it makes more sense to read John as a later gospel that does not attempt to restate what has already been written. It was apparently written as a supplement to existing writings. This of course undermines Tabor's use of it to somehow disprove the authenticity of the body and blood "in remembrance of me". If John authentically does not include the eucharistic ritual, how does he inauthentically include this "hard teaching" that accords with Paul? Also, the Didache's lack of eucharistic prayer can be explained in the same way that John's retelling of the Last Supper can be: the Didache is not teaching and demonstrating everything but instead is covering just some topics. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
@@charlesiragui2473 paul probably invented the eucharist
@@mmss3199 You think this is probable based on what evidence? Was there a Council of Jerusalem at which differences were discussed and a consensus formed? The great controversy was the question of kosher and in particular circumcision. Why weren't theological questions and practice questions raised? Where is the evidence of controversy on these issues?
To my knowledge the Hebrew calendar is designed so no 2 days in a row can be a sabbath. Since cooking isn't allowed on the sabbath since it would require the kindling of a fire, back-to-back sabbaths would mean 2 days of cold food. Mosaic Law does not put this kind of burden on people.
cooking is permitted on festivals which distiguishes them from the weekly sabbath where no cooking is allowed
@@eddie1948 Is cooking allowed on Yom Kippur? I am sure that I remember reading somewhere that the new year can be delayed by a day to keep either Rosh Hashana or Yom Kippur from falling on the day before the weekly Sabbath.
Apparently the food was so bad in the restaurant Jesus said "I'm never coming back here again".
This is based on Barbara Thiering''s REVISIONIST chronology in her book "Jesus the Man". EITHER way, IF Jesus HAD been crucified on Thursday instead of Friday, he WOULD NOT have spent THREE DAYS in the tomb, since he "AROSE" early on SUNDAY BEFORE dawn. There is also the symbolism involved of Jesus DYING on the SIXTH Day of the week to SAVE Humanity from the doom of Damnation in parallel to the CREATION of Humanity on the "Cosmic" SIXTH Day. I'm not an expert in Levitical Judaism, BUT there are several other indications I will casually mention that the Prof can correct me about if I'm wrong; though he HASN'T ever responded to ANY of my other NUMEROUS previous posts on his many other videos that I have reviewed. The Sabbath of course as we are all familiar with who have any cultural if not religious association with Judeo-Christianity, was a day of REST on which NO work was allowed. Therefore, according to the "Gospels" (particularly "John's") it was NECESSARY that the preparations for the coming Passover be made on the day PRIOR TO the Sabbath. THIS is because Jews eat the Pesach Feast at MIDNIGHT, when the "Angel of the Lord" was said to have passed through the land of Egypt destroying the first-born of the Egyptians. While THIS was happening, the Hebrews were FEASTING SAFELY ensconced in their houses with the blood of the lambs smeared on their doorposts to prevent the Destroying Angel from attacking them. SUNDOWN for JEWS is the BEGINNING of the NEXT DAY, so the SABBATH would have ALREADY BEGUN by the time they were doing this. Therefore, they COULD NOT work to prepare the feast AFTER SUNSET. The NEXT DAY, according to the "Book of Exodus", Moses and Aaron went to Pharoah who told them to leave the land. They WOULD NOT have traveled in the DARK of NIGHT and ESPECIALLY, as according to the ANCIENT Hebrew calendar of the Passover, on a 🌑 night ! There was NO problem with WORKING the DAY of the PASSOVER, IF NOT a SABBATH of the SEVENTH Day, because it was ON THAT day that the Hebrews PACKED UP their possessions (work) and TRAVELED OUT of Egypt. Jews were NOT allowed to TRAVEL a FULL DAY'S journey on the Sabbath, so THAT would have made the EXODUS IMpossible IF it had occurred on THAT day of the week. Since Jews AREN'T allowed to WORK on the SABBATH, they PREPARE the next day's (Saturday's) meals of breakfast, lunch, and supper on FRIDAYS. IF the Passover of that particular year, WHICHEVER it was, had NOT been on a SABBATH/Saturday, they COULD have worked and traveled a full day. The "PREPARATION Day" mentioned by John WAS NOT the preparation day for the PASSOVER, but FOR the SABBATH; and WOULD have been the PREPARATION DAY regardless IF it had NOT been the Passover!! It was simply about PREPARING things that would OTHERWISE have been DONE the NEXT day as ANY other normal work day. Therefore, the TRADITIONAL interpretation of the Crucifixion Day as being on the FRIDAY of the PREPARATION DAY just before the SABBATH, REGARDLESS of it being the Passover, STILL APPLIES. HOWEVER, I think there WERE TWO "coincidental" reasons Jesus could NOT have been crucified on the next day of SATURDAY. ONE of course is that it WAS the SABBATH, and executions as well as ALL punishments to be inflicted (work) had to be SUSPENDED. BUT furthermore, punishments were NOT allowed to be inflicted on HOLY FESTIVAL days and they were therefore "Days of Reprieve". This being the case, it is OBVIOUS ANYWAY that Jesus and his disciples would NOT and COULD not have eaten the Feast on FRIDAY NIGHT because he had already been CRUCIFIED and was DEAD! So, FOR THEM, it HAD to be on the Thursday night; the TRADITIONAL day of the event for Christians. There is NO point in putting it on Wednesday night because, IF so, then WHAT were they doing on THURSDAY? The "Gospels" ALL AGREE in stating Jesus was betrayed AND arrested THE SAME NIGHT they ATE the "Last Supper". To claim that Jesus celebrated it and got arrested on WEDNESDAY night supports the absurd and "UNrecorded" claim that Jesus was "IMPRISONED" for a day and night awaiting his execution!! There is NOTHING, at least in ANY of the "canonical Gospels" (ESPECIALLY the "Johannine EYEWITNESS" one), to support that detail. It IS admittedly an ancient one, and "Pilate's Prison" of Jesus, allegedly commemorated as part of the church of the Holy Sepulchre(?!) by the emperor Constantine, is STILL SHOWN as PART of the Mythos. But it was just created to EXTEND the duration of the entire ALLEGED event and ENHANCE the drama. The BASIC "Gospel" narrative sequence is that Jesus ate the "Last Supper" establishing its significance as the symbol of the "New Covenant" and predicting what was SOON to occur following it; went out to pray where he was betrayed and arrested; taken to the former chief priest Annanias for a "pre-interrogation" UNofficial interview; THEN brought to the "official" Chief Priest Joseph Caiphas where he was judged and condemned to death; taken BEFORE morning to Pilate for confirmation of the conviction; and THEN sent to execution. It was a QUICK-PACED, "rapid-fire" scenario made to keep the suspense and tension of the drama heightened. There was NO "lag time" of waiting OR imprisonment. THAT would have WEAKENED the intensity of the drama and been a DRAG.
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Foot washing! If the feet are clean then the whole body is clean. Head born first. How lovely on the mountains are the feet of them. Peter wanted his hands and head washed too. His father's sins removed. As long as he is washed, they are too! Daniel and many prayed for the sins of their fathers. His always had a problem with the father's. First father in one case. Looking up and looking back are synonymous. While most looked down the whole Israel trip, I was looking up. It's fascinating. Have a blessed sign of Jonah this week. 4/20 approx.
Happy Final Passover 2024, everyone.
You're on the right track, but ...
Many others arrive at a Wednesday crucifixion, mostly on account of the Jewish reckoning of time, which places the beginning of a day at sunset.
This implies a resurrection on Saturday near sunset, exactly 3 days and 3 nights after he was laid "in the heart of the earth".
Nobody went looking for him then because it was the weekly sabbath. Note that the angel's statement at dawn or pre-dawn on "the first of the week" is simply that "He is risen" - - it does not say that he just got up. Selah. This all would consequencially imply that Jesus was crucified in 29AD, which is actually quite consistent with the work of others pinpointing the year of his birth to 4 or 3 BC. BTW, the logical time to prepare all the burial spices would be on the Friday between the 2 sabbaths, a difficulty which remains with the Thursday death model: that way both intervening days are sabbaths, giving the women no time to do this work except when it would have been unlawful to.
@James Tabor If Jesus's crucifixion was the literal atonement sacrifice of Christianity (and given the story of Jesus Christ and Jesus Barabbas, isn't that hard to dismiss?), wouldn't this tale theoretically have played out at Yom Kippur rather than Passover?
I accept some of the arguments of Historicists, but to concoct a theory with such specificity and literalism seems highly speculative, if not verging on Christian Apologetics.
Analyzing Jesus as if he is fake is all I hear on this channel. FAITH. Check the word Faith in your hearts. Jesus loves any person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods, that's why he came. ❤️✝️❤️
I know that the gospel of the holy twelve cannot be used as historical facts. But in the gospel of the holy twelve it does say that it was a pascal Sabbatical year and a lot of it early sayings of Jesus are in the gospel of the holy twelve
Why 11 apostolic in this picture
Mark influenced by Paul's teaching on Eucharist? You must be kidding by implying that Mark was a liar because he copied the teaching of eucharist from Paul.
Mark was there at the Last Supper. He doesn't have to take Paul's teaching and fit it into his writings on the Last Supper. Mark was giving his eye witness account.
On the contrary, Paul was learning things from the Apostles besides some direct revelations from Christ.
Peter had a talk with Paul at the initial stage of Paul's conversion. In two - three days, Peter could have taught him many things of Jesus with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
This guy must be reading a gospel from another planet.
Paul was a devout well trained Pharisee. If the communion practice was against Jewish custom then I doubt that he would have introduced it creatively from his own mind (emphasis on doubt). He got it from someone. Seems unlikely that he would have lied about it - but he did have a meeting with the disciples at one point to confirm correct teaching, so he says. In any regards, communion, with God, thru the bread and wine in memory of him is an absolutely beautiful concept and action. Every religion should practice it.
If you're saying that Apostle Paul is not proclaiming Jesus Christ (who is God) and a false apostle, you're denying the majority of the NT, and therefore also saying God's Word to be a lie. God does not lie. If you do not believe in the whole Bible as it is, what do you believe then? Gnostic-satanic lies? The whole world lies in wickedness. Either Jesus Christ, who is God Himself, or Satan. One chooses for himself, but every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is God. AMEN.
nah, it wasn't made up by romans. The first time I took the cup in a communion was the first time I ever felt the Holy Spirit
But Robert Eisenman says the teacher of righteousness is James brother of Jesus☹️
By sowing doubts, many hope to reap disbelief while pretending to respect Jesus and his legacy. Show your true face--all you want is to destroy Jesus and his legacy. Fortunately, after countless attempts of every possible kind, Jesus and His message live for all those willing to accept it.
Actually I believe the Last Supper was a betrothel ceremony. The scripture in Daniel about "oblation being cut off in the midst of the week, usually attributed to the AC, is the crucifixion on the 4th day (Wednesday) which gives 3 full days and nights for Yahoshua to rise up on Shabbat. When Miriam (Mary) went to the tomb he had already risen on the Sabbath !
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE GOSPEL OF THE HOLY TWELVE I know it's in the canons of historical writings. But Pascal Sabbath is in there. All about Jesus being a vegetarian was in there. The part where it says stop the sacrificial system in eating or meet in wrath will not cease from you, is in there. A lot of the early sayings from the book of Thomas is in there. They say that it was channeled. I don't think it was. I think it's early riding around the third century
agreed he was a master "teacher" . Christians just happen to believe he was indwelled by the All beyond the Pleroma and that more than any other. Not really complicated. We will all find out imo lol. Fellow Christians it takes great artistic skill and wisdom and scholarship for these scholars to present truth in such an unveiled way. Pay heed.
You keep buying into the doctrine of the New Age, gnostic-satanic lies and you will find yourself in hell for all eternity.
Day of preparation. Wed. That year. Michael Rood has it right. Not peer reviewed so it can't be true, right?
FRIDAY CRUCIFIXION ABSOLTE MATHEMATICAL CERTAINTY Luke 24:21 "..:to day (Sunday) is the third day since these things were done (Jesus crucified)."
@@termination9353 you're missing the 3 nights though. Fatal error!
@@3r2w1c Jesus never said hed be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights.
@@termination9353 What did he say? If you're so smart!
I think the resurrection is signified by the "GREAT earthquake" which occured "late on the Sabbath as it was beginning to DUSK" (Gk. Epiphoskos:a degree of shading of light) which is what is actually happening at the end of the Sabbath. It's getting darker not lighter as in "dawn"! (Mt.28:1-2).
FRIDAY CRUCIFIXION ABSOLTE MATHEMATICAL CERTAINTY Luke 24:21 "..:to day (Sunday) is the third day since these things were done (Jesus crucified)."
There was no earthquake.
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@@termination9353 Aramaic reads "it's been 3 days since..." indicating that three days had already passed by the time they made the remark. Wed. crucifixion and a late Sabbath resurrection would be 3 days AND 3 nights.
@@termination9353 that also falls far short of 3 days AND 3 nights (72hrs).
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Wine was used for marriage customs. This is why Jesus used wine also for His blood.
Dr.Tabor
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I like how some say their Born again Christians. Then deny there is rincarnation in Christianity.
In regards to Pauline influence on the understanding of the Lord's supper, what do you think about John 6 "I am the bread of Life", John 1:1 "In the beginning was the word/teaching and the word/teaching was..." and 1John 1:1-2 "the word/teaching of life"
Jesus says he is the way, truth and life (the teaching, the torah) Judaism teaches from long ago the teaching/wisdom/logos god gave was with him from the beginning (proverbs 8), not that jesus literally preexisted, but that he is a perfect reflection or representation of Gods character and personality. The torah was imprinted on him from birth and he never knew sin. In John 6 jesus states he is the bread of life, the promise of eternal life god gave in the garden to adam and eve, the tree of life. This promise was made manifest when jesus put on incorruption at his ressurection, and all the disciples beheld an eternal body and witnessed with their own eyes the firstfruits of the promise of eternal life for us.
Its hard to imagine the lords supper not being a jewish development, they take the kiddush bread and wine and make it the sinless body of christ, unleavened, not literally eating his flesh but metaphorically we take in his teachings and it feeds us, marks us for the resurrection to life eternal. It really isnt a stretch for any jew except modern jesus weary jews. The bread is his body, his teaching, pure, no leaven from the pharisees or saducees, the wine is his blood, poured out so that when we remember, we are convicted of our sins, that because of our sins an innocent man, who could have ushered in the kingdom right there, had to die because of our ignorant actions. And he won't be back until we declare blessed is he who comes in the name of YHWH. We mourn for this great and catastrophic loss the same as if we lost a son, and we reflect on how our actions and sins cause the wrong men to be killed or tormented. By realizing we create this injustice, and we repent, and sin no more, then we are forgiven of our sins. This is the bread and the wine, very jewish, very rabbinic/pharisaic, and only modern judaism sees it as strange.
The Gospel of John follows the Essene Calendar which is why the Last Supper is on a Wednesday.
The Gospel of John is a reporting narrative from the view of what took place in contrast to what Messiah did. He always refers to the corrupt Temple priesthood observances as feasts 'of the Jews'.
Messiah kept the true Passover on the correct day of 14 Abib from morning to morning.
Dr Tabor I'm very astonished, you still stick so literal to the text.
Did it ever occur to you that the story of the Last Supper is a way to explain Passover for the proselytes? That accounts for all Synoptic Gospels.
Did it ever occur to you that 1 Corinthians 11 is not from Paul?
Did you ever notice that this text is about the establishment of the Christian community and not about theological concepts of the eucharist or the protestant's version of those?
Did you ever notice that the theological interpretation of the eucharist is founded by John of Damascus, the last Greek Church-father?
More important did you ever read or heard of the theory that Judas Iscariot is a concept that appeared first in Mark? Bishop Spong +, shows a very solid and well-thought-out explanation why Judas is not historical and can't be.
Did you ever notice that Paul never ever talks about a betrayal by Judas? It would be very logical that something like that would be remembered.
Did you ever notice that the so-called entrance in Jerusalem of Jesus doesn't fit within the Jewish liturgical order of the festivals? In that way it is very interesting to notice that (real) Paul never tells about the Pesach as the timeframe wherein Jesus was executed. Moreover he tells in Philippians that he was the perfect sacrifice, a word that does reflect the Lamb without corruption used at Jom Kippoer. And that explains the idea that he became the Lamb of God, that takes up all the sins of the world. Given the idea that the Gospels (synoptic) follow the Jewish liturgical calendar, then Mark is very interesting. He begins with baptism/mikwah and ends with Pesach. And who does say or denotes Jesus as the Lamb of God? Yes John the Baptist or the Forerunner. It is very clear to me that the story of the last supper is a created story as is the story about Judas. Judas is just the scapegoat not to accuse the Romans for Jesus death and to cover-up the verdict of Jesus to be convicted as a state-criminal. The Holy Week is just a summary of the life of Jesus: Palm Sunday being the entrance of the king in Jerusalem (Rosh Hashanah) and ending in Pesach.
There are to much open ends to be sure that those Gospels are historical records. In my opinion they are no historical records but a catechesis for the proselytes and written after the destruction of the Temple/Jerusalem. But when you read them as a catechesis, then suddenly it makes all sense.
IN 3 GOSPELS, ALREADY ON THEIR WAY TO JERUSALEM, Jesus told His disciples what was going to happen, that He will die, and rose again, meaning He knew His Father will not spare Him to fulfill what had been planned Isaiah 53.
It’s fascinating to see how scholars studying the life of Jesus for decades miss to see the obvious and end up looking like fools. It’s absolutely fascinating. Indeed the kingdom God is revealed and given to “children” but the wisemen of this world completely misses it. That’s the will of the father.
Jewish days begin at sundown and NOT ad midnight as we do today. So Wednsday begins at 6pm tuesday...
The faithful Baptist church which was never part of the Roman church has always known that Jesus was crucified during the day on wednsday the preperation day of the passover. He had to be off the cross before 6pm when Tuursday Passover began, which is the evening the passover meal was eaten... so Jesus last supper was after sunset Tuesday which is after Wednsday had begun.
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Amazing how the imagination works with fairytales
why would paul fasten himself onto the idea of a dead messianic claimant he'd never even met? I don't doubt some of what is said here, I just can't imagine what would move him to do that, a dead messiah he'd never even met. why?
I guess you missed the part where Paul gets knocked off his horse and blinded by a very alive, risen Messiah.
I have been a fan of Dr. Tabor's since he came out with Jesus Dynasty. As for "Jesus," I have never believed a stitch about the "resurrection" nor the miracles, etc. Men are born from sperm and egg. Men don't walk on water. Such tales are purely mythical, and similar tales are found in Buddhism, and every other religion. If people would just "do unto others...." what a wonderful world it would be, and we don't need any religion to tell us what should be common sense.
If there were 2 back to back sabbaths, there would not be a time that the women could buy burial spices.( no buying or selling on a sabbath
Mark 16:1
[1]And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
Therefore, I believe he was put in the tomb late Wednesday evening
His prophecy of 3 days and 3 nights in the earth works out perfectly as well.
Tabor labors the commonplace observation that there is no record of 'the' Eucharist' in the fourth gospel, comparable to what we find in Paul (I Corinthians) and the synoptics. But he neglects the extended discourse following the 'Eucharistic' miracle story, The Feeding Of The Five Thousand, (John 6.1-14). It contains the dominical logion '"I am the bread of life; he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall never thirst.'" (6.35); and continues: ''The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, "I am the bread which came down from heaven." (v 41)
'The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat" So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed and my blood is drink indeed. "(vv 52-56).
This is piss poor, and incomplete at that, a complete waste of time. The working premise is category mistaken - scripture isn't history in the first instance, but theology. Next time, concern yourself with 'theological' truth perhaps.
The Gospel of Jesus was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own. The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives. Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story. It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th.
You have to laugh, the crucifixion was on Thursday & the whole bread & wine thing is a fiction invented by Paul. 😂Honestly if Jesus ever read Paul's contributions to the NT I seriously doubt he'd recognise himself.
Paul invented Christianity
He is Paul of Tarsus. A center of the Mystery Cult.
@@kennethbrownsher1264 I know & I want nothing to do with the man.
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FRIDAY CRUCIFIXION ABSOLTE MATHEMATICAL CERTAINTY Luke 24:21 "..:to day (Sunday) is the third day since these things were done (Jesus crucified)."
@@termination9353 I'm with Dr Tabor it's simply pointless listening to wacko's who write in capitals & get their idea's from misunderstanding the Gospels. The gospels have limitations as a historical record. Can you refrain from replying to my comments? I'm simply not interested in your views.
How anyone can read the 3 gospels that plainly describe that the disciples preapred a Passover meal and deny that Messiah kept that Passover, clearly just has no reading comprehension.
He had the passover meal, this is after sunset of the 14th day. He is taken by priest guards early in the morning, still the 14th. Later, same day, he is crucified and gives up the ghost at the 9th hour. Before the Sabbath, before sunset, he is placed in the tomb. He rest on the Sabbath and God raised him early on the 1st day of the week. So, we have the 14th, 15th (Sabbath) and the 16th resurrection. I suggest you read Matthew Ch 26-27, Mark Ch 14-16, Luke Ch 22-24 and John Ch 18-20 kjv. Understanding the Book of John, the Jews would have stoned Yeshua if it were not for the day of Passover....so, they could not put him to death, this is why they needed the Romans to do the deed. So, the three days are 14th (Friday) 15th (Sabbath) and 16th (first Day of the Week). Peace!
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While I oftern agree with much of what Dr. Tabor discusses, like many others, I see the date of crucifixtion as April 3, 33 AD, as this is the year frame of the blood moons and solar eclipes spoken about, and 3, 33 is definately a divine pattern.This would bring us back to a Friday crucifiction...As well, John is a very dubious sources, for the Jesus's mother is a no name and only appears for the miracle of wine (a very Thracian, Dionysion point of sales...Jesus was a Nazerenes, they seldom drink wine, and he would not test God with such a frivolous request...hence this was a point of sales mention...Jews mention by name, important women. Paul also drops Sarah name but uses Hagar; this is not a Jewish tradition, but Thracian and Greek. In fact, by naming Hagar, she become more significant as she is a real entity and it become a dig of removal of Sarah...As well, the crucifiction: Jesus mother is a no name, and she is not mentioned in any of the other crucifiction stories as being present...She was inserted to down-play the real importance of Mariam Magdela (the Tower of Faith)...The no-name mother of John and the no name mother Sarah in all likelihood had the same redactor.
If you read the gospels carefully, you will see it only says, fruit of the vine, not wine. Whereas in the wedding of Cana, the word wine is specifically used.
Seriously I misread that as Last Supper A List.
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"at last"?
You said something went wrong - Jesus did not have anything go wrong. He was and is God, and God doesn't make mistakes. You must remember the Jewish day starts on the evening before the day. Jesus died on a Friday afternoon, at 3pm by our time. He was buried immediately at the nearby tomb (about 3:30pm) and at 6pm it was the beginning of Saturday, the day of Passover. So He was in the tomb (part of) Friday, all of Saturday and part of Sunday as He rose at dawn on Sunday morning, the 3rd day. Luke 24:6-7: "Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 'The Son of Man must be delivered over to the hands of sinners, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.'"
Sabbath began Friday Evening
The confusion occurs because Mark, Matthew and Luke indicate that Jesus ate the Passover meal with his disciples. It is plainly stated.
Yes, the corrupt Temple priesthood calendar and day reckoning caused their observances to be in error, as John's narrative confirms.
It works, easy, on DSS Calendar.
He Ate The Passover, and He Burned The Remains, at Dawn.
The Jews' passover, being Subject to The Moon, rather than to The Creator of The Moon, was a day later.
Either that, or another specific condition, which is kinda complicated to explain, must've been present.
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An attempt to combine all gospels into one, something all Christians are conflicted with sort of like the Mandela affect.
something modern christians are conflicted with, the dead sea scrolls compilation shows the wide variety of scripture used by the culture of the early church to gain understanding...have totally unique views expressed as a a compilation. Uniformity is only sought to form communities and doesn't apply to the spiritual light within. That is individual (vs what will we stress as a community). Modern Christians are waking up
The eating of the Messiah tradition goes back to God's incarnation among the cat people of old, when he made his first voluntary sacrifice to feed his family after he was lame and could no longer lead their pack in the hunt. That pattern was repeated many times, in the age of Taurus by the centaur Messiah Chiron/Enkidu who sacrificed himself to protect his protege Herakles/Gilgamesh and by the much maligned Goat Messiah Ba-El, who led the recovery of civilization following the Bronze Age collapse till his ritual sacrifice by the new chosen tribe he had lifted up out of slavery. Gratitude has never been humanity's strong suit.
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Yes, the Lutheran Bible says this. I won't get het up over it. Praise God Jesus faced this for us. Scripturally there were only the unleavened bread, the unbroken Passover lamb, and the bitter herbs (Exodus 12:8), but perhaps like our agape feasts they had other elements of a festive meal. The "Seder" thing came from paganism....isn't it funny what Satan seeks to twist? (Oh...He washed their feet before supper.)
Dear James,
thank you for your working on historical Jesus. Maybe you can proof, if Jesus not dies on passover but on sukkot. This will solving some problems in the text of Mark 11 -13. For example the green twigs (gr. stibadas in Mk 11,8), or the fig tree, which has no friuts but foliage (Mk 11,13) and shall get green again in Summer (Mk13,28). Or the allegory of the bad winemakers makes more sense in autumn instead of spring (Mk12,1-12). Maybe the chapters Mk 11-13 are an jewish Midrasch to the book of the prophet Sacharja. And maybe, this is my opinion, the speaker of this Midrasch ist James the Just. He does it in the area of the Jerusalem temple until he is murdered in 63 AD. After his death it would be translated in Greek and Mk found it in one source of his gospel and composed it in his sight of view.
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Why would Paul, a Pharisee, introduce aspects of a pagan blood ritual into the new way of Judaism for no reason? Blood is strictly forbidden for every Jew since Moses. And everybody, including the jewish apostles who were still alive at the time and witnessed the last supper, accepts such a change from Paul? Only god, who gave Moses the law, has the authority to change the rules for sacrifice. Paul would not toy with this. As a Pharisee he literaly carried the law his whole life (the Tefillin) around his arm.
In the Didache chapter 10 is a sentence that very well suggests the eucherist as the symbolic blood and flesh of Jesus: “You didst freely give spiritual food and drink and life eternal through Thy Servant (Jesus).” Since the main accusation against early Christians was a form of cannibalism during worship, I would not be surprised if the explanation was oral teaching to protect the catechumens.