If You Want to Follow Jesus: Go To James the Just
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Fortunately various students of the early Jesus movement are coming to realize the paramount importance of James, the brother of Jesus, thanks to the work of Robert Eisenman and others in the past two decades. In this reading I offer an overview of the Peter, Paul, and James, nexus and how it most likely can be sorted out--giving James his proper place--largely lost and forgotten.
The full quotation of the Gospel of Thomas reads:
"The disciples said to Jesus: "We know that you will go away from us. Who is it who shall be great over us?" Jesus said to them: "Wherever you have come, you will GO TO JAMES THE JUST, for whose sake heaven and earth came into being." Logia 12.
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Most, and I do mean most, Christians do not want to follow Jesus, they want to worship Jesus, it’s just easier!
And that's the difference. James was about following, and Paul was about believing.
Great comment! I must remember that one
Nicely put!
@Wholly_His One who takes the entirety of their being that is to become or to behold. places it on a path of desired achievement /attainment. they are becoming what is meant as a warship. hopefully in the direction of right action, devineitive ...balanced emotions, full of desire love, only to navigate around distraction.......maby?¿
O'buan...
Including you.
James has always been my favorite book in the Bible. It gets right down to the basics of Christianity. Its like looking into a mirror. Self reflection. 😊
Ah, James Tabor talking about James the Just, that's what I'm here for!
James, just talking about James the just, is just what I wanted!
I have been interested in James’ place in Christianity and that of the family for many years, and have been aware of this discussion. It is, however, interesting to get James Tabor’s view on it and to confirm what I learned 20 years ago backed by updated information. When people ask me if I am a Christian, I often comment that I am more of a Jesus Christian than a Pauline Christian. If Jesus is God’s man on earth, and he is the way, the truth and the light, then why is most of the New Testament about Paul, who never knew or met Jesus while he was alive, spent perhaps a couple weeks with Peter and James, who did not take well to him, and was sent off to talk to the Gentiles, where he made up his own theology as he went along. I have always questioned if some of the texts attributed to Paul were written by or truly attributed to Paul. 2000 years later, it is very difficult to get close to the fountain of truth and knowledge concerning a the origins of Christianity. The Church certainly did spin it to a different advantage, which helped to control the masses for a very long time. These days many people have curiosity and want to get closer to truth. Christianity needs to be updated if it is to survive another 100 years, let alone 2000 years. Christian denominations break apart over some simple ideas, so that today there are between 43,000 and 45,000 denominations world wide.
There is no James the Just. There is James the Less.
@@lindaliestman4397 God Bless you
Same😂
I’m only now (age 74) beginning to understand the important place James the Just should have in the history of Christianity. Thank you Prof. Tabor!
Well sir, in another month I turn 79 and I am sharing with you this terrific discovery of James, Jesus' brother. I've been spending a lot of time with the Gospel of Thomas in the process. It seems to me that because it recommends going to James about questions, the text of the Gospel of Thomas must itself reflect what James was saying and promoting. Because of that, I'm feeling like the Gospel of Thomas is the place for me to learn more about James' thinking. That is proving fruitful to me. In any case, the best to you in your continued studies and ponderings. Peace. Neil
@@neilhundtoft4873 God Bless you. Continue praying to God directly like Jesus did. Thete is only One God
The book of James is talking to the twelve tribes, James 1:1 James a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad. Jesus sent apostle Paul to preach the gospel for us today in the dispensation of grace. The gospel of our salvation is found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Ephesians 2:8-9. 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workmen that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. We’re not Isreal, we’re the body of Christ. Praise the Lord our God for his grace, mercy and peace.
If james take place in christian hystory there will no pauline christians
@@Ibelievethegospel The only person who sent Paul to teach to the gentiles was Paul. You can't use someone's claiming of authority as the authority. Paul claimed authority no one else gave him. He claimed apostleship to the Cor believers but the true apostles only called him a brother. The gentiles were given to Peter so there was no need for Paul to come in and "clarify" Jesus' message. Jesus didn't stutter. He was quite clear in His command that ONLY the 12 apostles had the judicial authority on matters of His church and Paul didn't even come on the scene until nearly 10 years later with a "vision" that can not be supported by anyone. The people with him said they saw that Paul was seeing something but they neither heard nor saw anything themself. Paul probably thought he was doing the Lord's work but he clearly was in NO place of authority from Christ so take his interpretations through the lens of a third hand source and don't ignore those who had first hand sources with Jesus...unless you believe that Jesus sat out in the desert with Paul for 3 years and taught him(as Paul claims) even though Jesus said He would not return to the end of the age AND that the disciples and apostleships should be on guard for anyone claiming to be coming in his name from the desert(exactly where Paul came out of).
I absolutely agree with Eisenman. I think Paul took the movement in a new, and wrong, direction.
agreed, Paul was a Greek that tried to appease the Roman public and inserted proto-pagan beliefs to align Christianity more towards the tastes of the Roman populace
@@AR-tb9hq Paul was a Greek speaking Jew of the Tribe of Benjamin he was also a Roman citizen and a Pharisee. I have thought for a long time that he deliberately or otherwise led Christians astray. It’s frightening how many Christians quote his writings rather than the Four Gospels. It’s as if they don’t care to focus on Christ who after all told us he is the only way to the Father.
@@annwilson-rawi3760 four gospels? What exactly are the four gospels Matthew mark Luke John
Paul might have taken it in the wrong direction but who's to say that Christianity would have survived under James's right direction? Paul spread Christianity to the Gentiles maybe under James it would have only remained a Jewish movement much like the Samaritans. Say what you want against Paul but even in his flawed sort of way he made Jesus known to the world.
Absolutely agree
I love learning from this man. I have a habit of researching things that I hear to determine truth. I learned quickly that it was a waste of time with Dr. Tabor. I never found anything he said to be wrong. He's even unbiased in his guesses in my opinion. I truly value his thoughts and opinions on anything in biblical history.
God has built us to search for truth
Was driving through my local town last week and saw a rainbow over a church dedicated to St James. It really stood out and today I came across this video.
Acts 15 makes it clear that JAMES was making the decisions.
The fact to separate Jesus family from him is to make Jesus a divine person and link him to God's family. .
Excellent video. Speaking of how "the church" reacted ... it became a cult. The book of Acts makes that abundantly clear. The story of Ananias and Saphira. Dr. Tabor, you should cover that one. Most definitely.
Notice that the words: “You are to go to James the just...” from saying #12 of the Gospel of Thomas are advice given in the present tense. This suggests an early authorship for the Gospel of Thomas. My reading of the Gospel of Thomas is that it supports a non-apocalyptic movement of living in the here and now. This message, it appears to me, is what Jesus originally taught and that James then continued. In the Gospel of Thomas, there's no mention of sin, resurrection or a coming judgment. This stuff appears to have been added to an earlier message and has come into the Bible through Quelle (I'm ready to argue) who borrows from and often corrupts Thomas' text to suit their apocalyptic program. I'd love to see anyone's evidence that I'm wrong about this, but the more I look and compare, the more I'm persuaded of it. Ahead of time, I thank you for your growth-promoting correction; otherwise, we can celebrate together this alternative way to freedom to which Thomas (and James) point. Peace.
P.s.: It's fun to notice that Paul quotes Thomas Saying #17 at 1st Corinthians 2:9 and even says: “As it is written....” to introduce it. Looks like Thomas had to be written sometime before 50CE.
Thomas saying #17 and 1 Corinthians 2:9 is quote from Isaiah 64:4
@@YaelSharon3410 Thanks for sharing this idea. I've heard that asserted by someone else too. Here's what makes me question it. Isaiah 64:4 uses some of the same words as Thomas #17, but only a few of them. Paul's words at 1 Corinthians 2:9 duplicate Thomas' words precisely though omitting one line). Isaiah 64 is a prayer for God's deliverance, which inserts a bit of flattery to encourage God's assistance. The prophet is bragging that “No one has ever seen any other God do anything comparable to the amazing things You have done for us! So You can deliver us again, if You are but willing.” is how I understand that passage. The promise of being given an unspeakable gift, the point being made by Thomas and quoted by Paul, is totally absent in the Isaiah passage. I would enjoy hearing your thoughts. Peace.
Thank you for your insight. I have a multitude of questions regarding this theology and would very much appreciate your insight.
I believe Paul was so successful at usurping the Christian mythology because he was selling a free pass (so to speak) into "heaven" based on faith exclusively. This would have gone over very well with both Jews and polytheism as both required a great deal of effort (rules and regulations etc).
The second reason is totally my own conspiracy theory in which, Paul was a Roman, Roman's grip on Jerusalem, Damascus... Isreal/Judah was tenuous and therefore the Romans actually implanted/supported Paul to difuse the Jewish/Messianic Jewish movement....
Any thoughts on this would be most appreciated.
Faithfull: Thanks for sharing your thoughts. As you say, with Paul's ministry, people were being offered a ticket to heaven based on faith alone. The simplicity of that approach would have a lot of appeal, especially for any potential converts with no familiarity of the Jewish traditions. Paul's success at winning over converts was in large part due to his target audience. The synagogues were places of conversation and learning which welcomed and attracted non-Jews, gentiles seeking understanding and spiritual edification. Paul's preaching and ministry throughout the empire cherry-picked these “God fearers” away from their synagogues and he thus swelled the ranks of his movement with gentiles who were at the margins of Judaism. I can see how Paul could look like an agent of Rome assigned with a mission to neutralize Judaism. Clearly, the movement Paul started had become totally Romanized and un-Jewish within a generation of his preaching. Here's the thing though. Paul is believed to have been executed in the year 64 CE after a ministry of about 25 years or so. The Jesus movement was just getting started with Paul and was still totally undefined. Rome didn't even notice it. It's those rebellious Jews that were Rome's chronic problem. In the year 68 CE, Rome's solution to the Jewish problem, always favoring the direct over the subtle, was to send over ten legions of soldiers to Israel to wipe Judaism off the face off the earth. They destroyed the temple and decimated the population with over 500,000 perishing in Jerusalem alone. So in a very real sense, both Christianity and post-temple Judaism were born new at this same moment in history. Judaism was tolerated by the Romans because it was recognized to have standing as an ancient religion. Christianity survived by being Roman. Peace@@ObjectiveEthics
I arose from darkness, knowing my origin, and destiny.
And darkness spoke:
"Proceed no futher, transgressor!"
Why? In what, have I sinned against you?
Darkness replied:
"In that my kingdom is a kingdom of darkness, and no one who lights the torch of knowledge is permitted here! Now, let us extinguish your painful light, that all may return to the peaceful sleep of ignorance."
No darkness! Those who sleep your sleep do so only because they are first ignorant of your guile. But of this the savior has warned me.
I arise thus, eluding the force of darkness and rejoice to be free from that of worldly ignorance.
I arise from Desire, that which causes the natures to mix, and which seeks to awaken in the fleeing soul a fondness those false delights of lignt that it left behind on Earth, so that it might return there.
Desire speaks:
"Who are you, and whence came you?"
I am of the seed of the living Father and do not belong to this world- hinder me not! As I seek but to return to the place from I once came.
"I never saw you decending, but now I behold you ascending- what makes you LIE? You are mine!"
I saw you, but you did not see me or notice me. You saw nothing but my vesture, and you did not know me.
I arise from Ignorance
"Where do you think you are going? Do you deserve to enter heaven? In the chains of wickedness you were captive! You are a prisoner, you dare not judge me!"
And who are you to judge me so? I have not condemned you. In truth, I was chained to the flesh, though now I am free. I was not recognized. But I have come to recognize that the All is being deconstructed. Both the Earthly elements, and the heavenly ones.
I arise to the 4th power, which assumes 7 likenesses: the likeness of the 7 powers:
1-Darkness
2-Desire
3-Ignorance
4-Terror of Death
5-The reign of the Flesh
6-Deluded wisdom of the Flesh
7-The Vengeance of Wisdom
These are the 7 wrathful powers.
"Whence come you, murderer? Where are you headed, space traveler?"
What held me captive has indeed been killed. And what enveloped me has been defeated. And my desire has been extinguished, and ignorance has expired. In the midst of a world I was set free from a world. And freed from a pattern of death, I recieved deliverance from a heavenly prototype; deliverance from the chain of oblivion which passes away. Hence forward, I shall win my way to that repose where no one speaks of time, of season, of age!
Truthful Kindness here. I have been very interested in “James the Just” for about 15 years. THANKS for further addressing this topic.
If you have researched it for 15 years, then you probably already know about this one. But for the sake of those who may not yet know about this book from Robert H. Eisenman:
"James the Brother of Jesus: The Key to Unlocking the Secrets of Early Christianity and the Dead Sea Scrolls Paperback - March 1, 1998"
@shanejohns7901 Ooooh thanks for the recommendation. I just ordered it.
The Early Xtians
➡️ Jamesian Sect - Peter and JC's siblings Jude and James taught "The Religion of JC" which is Repentance/Renewal -Judaism.
Heavily influenced by Zealotic and Essenic Jewish Philosophies.
"Grace by Deed"
* James was the sibling of JC, and James was a Common Jew, by the assumption of accounts he and his siblings were observant of Judaism.
➡️ Paulian Sect - Paul taught "The Religion about JC" .
Heavily focused on "Messiahnic Deitification and Mysticism" as well as "Greco-Roman Cultural Amalgamation of the Jewish Messiahnic Mysticism"
"Grace by Creed"
* Paul was Saul of Tarsus a Greco-Roman Citizen of Jewish Diasporan Decent. He was raised, grew up and educated in Proto-Pagan Alexandria.
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Makes me wonder how after being raised by a devout dad and having to attend church every Sunday, as well as religious instructions once a week, that I have never understood one damn bit of any of this.
"find James and you find Jesus" Robert eisenman
Absolutely agree. So called Christians are following Paul and the church. They are deluded and misled
Yeah ..... that's right .......... Acts should be retitled "Mostly the Adventures of Paul".
I only recently, but maybe the last 5-7 years actually started reading my bible. I had been raised in a Baptist church and went into volunteer ministry with the youth's. In reading (over and over), I couldn't help but see the different message that it seemed Paul was bringing than that of what Jesus was teaching. And that the book of James and even 1st John were so similar to what Jesus said. Paul's writing seems to have created a very diverse and argumentative foundation for our beliefs. Something sinister or intentional may be the reason for so much of the "Christian faith" following what Paul wrote. Scary.
Sorry for the failure of your spiritual leaders to convey to you what the Bible clearly teaches of which they may be ignorant. My comment below should help a lot. The Berean Bible Society has multiple booklets and online pubs that provide detailed explanations for what I present abbreviated below.
CHURCH FAILURES
Sorry for the all too frequent disparagement of St. Paul and his message despite the obvious (to the discerning reader) supersession (NOT DISTORTION) of the Gospel of the Kingdom (works + faith) by Paul's message of faith in Jesus alone I Cor. 15:1-4. The timing of Paul's message follows the failures (Acts 1-8) of the Gospel of the Kingdom group: financial depletion, Apostles remaining in Jerusalem (not "to all the world") and limited gospel distribution just to Jews Acts 8) and then only by Jewish refugees expelled by Rome to Cyprus, and other locations outside of Israel.
INTERPRETATIONS OF LITERATURE
As with all writings and rules, the most recent ones are the ones to follow. We don't view every of the deceased to properly administer an estate just the most recent. Paul's Gospel of Grace is the most recent and what we should follow until Jesus returns.
Even this professor doesn't seem to get it because, James' theme clearly adds works to God's demands in contrast to the "wholly by Grace" theme (not under the Law - Rom 6) delivered to Saul outside of Israel by Jesus Christ himself in a vision to Paul. It's in the book. The word, Gospel is not English or Hebrew but a transliteration from the Greek the meaning of which is good news. There's lots of good news in the Bible : Noah and family not drowned, one father of Israel by which the World has been blessed and, of course the opportunity for deliverance from sins by love and power of God Himself.
That the meaning of gospel in the NT has changed is evident and unarguably true. When we accept that God has changed a failed program for Jews to spread the gospel of the Kingdom to the World into one that accepts all believers in Christ into God's family. Read Romans for new program/gospel and Acts for the description of the transition.
Furthermore, While Jesus held himself up to be followed under Kingdom rules, Paul gave advice (after Jews rejected Jesus as resurrected Messiah) to follow him as he followed Jesus Christ. Certainly, much more realizable than to try to follow Jesus to the temple (now closed) to pay the temple tax or to walk on water or "heal them all".
When we see the fact of the transition from Gospel of the Kingdom with extravagant promises of healings and guaranteed answers to prayer coupled with a works requirement, then LACK OF healings, answers to prayers, instant death for a lie to the Holy Ghost (Annanias and Saphira) are not problems for us to puzzle over. The instant death event is similar to the Law which demanded fatal stoning for a single violation of a Sabbath cessation violation. And the need for miracles as (failed) signs to Israel has been replaced with the less stringent demand
Also note that those who disbelieve Paul's theology are, nevertheless, forced to refer to his letters in order to form a biblically based church: titles of officers, their qualifications and church practices. This seems hypocritical because the church as we know it is TOTALLY ABSENT from the gospel accounts of Jesus' life (favored by most preachers) while our Church life rules come from Paul's writings.
Read the first verse in James. Who is it written to? Hebrews. Who will be going through the Tribulation? Hebrews. It’s very important to understand dispensations. This is why it says in 2 Timothy 2:15 “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” All the Word of God is for us, but it all doesn’t apply to us.
This professor seems to be misleading many readers. Not only with wrongly dividing the Word (and therefore misapplying it) but overlooking the changes God has impressed on Gospel (from general grace and from Kingdom to of Grace) Makes many sick of Christianity.
I wonder how many his teachings have mislead and hurt by him and others. @@privatepilot4064
Rome couldn't arrest Jesus and disciples, as Rome did immediately for other false claimants, because when Rome initially tried to arrest Jesus, they were immobilized. Secondly, because there was a Roman occupation of Judea, the Jewish authorities couldn't openly proclaim Jesus the Messiah, which they knew He was because the Romans couldn't arrest Jesus.
Your scholarship is just amazingly great.
Continue with the Non Bias Narrative.
Even us Muslim are attracted by it.
We love you for the sake of Allah.
Peace be upon you.
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i've wondered if the way James died had anything to do with the story Jesus told, that Satan took him to the highest part of the temple and told him to throw himself down and, if he were really the messiah, angels would catch him. Then, didn't they throw james off of a high part of the temple? Like they were taunting him, let's see if that will work for you.
James' the Just succession, or one of biggest cover-ups of Christian history.
Eisenmann's book is interesting but such a tedious read and so confuse.
If you have other recommandé books about James Mr Tabor?
Thanks.
The Brother of Jesus by Butz is quite good.
@@YaoEspirito I forgot that I had that one in my Kindle, I'll check it.
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Just keep in mind that it was written to the 12 tribes of Israel. James 1:1 “James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.”
Would you be more clear in what your statement is alluding to here by saying "Just remember"... thanks!
@@Dragonfly20233 All Scripture is for us, but all Scripture is not about us.
PRAISE JESUS! He wanted TEAM MEMBERS not a fan club! Huge difference! Not as many saved as they think they are! Repent and seek his words for they are your only chance at SALVATION and ETERNAL LIFE! ❤❤❤
Do you have any interpretation for Satan little season and is possible we are in it? Thank you
Love this Dr. James Tabor, where's the part 2?
Justice is the one real truth. I loved James for that. 😁
Thank you Dr Tabor for anther excellent video.
As the brother of the dead anointed one, did James assume the title of potential Davidic ruler? Did he preach that now it was his responsibility to do the political and supernatural duties of a Messiah, or was there a James version of second coming?
In the book of Thomas..The disciples said to Jesus, " We understand that you will depart from us.Who will guide us?".. Jesus replied to them, " Wherever you are, go to James the Just, for the sake of whom heaven and earth emerged."
Many people are waking up to the fact that Christanity was let astray for two millennia by following the teachings of Paul who never met the living historical Jesus, was not one of his original disciples, and seemed not to know much about his sayings and teachings as evidenced by his epistles. He invented theology and Christology that historical Jesus never preached. Is it any wonder that he was at odds with James and early church in Jerusalem?
Yeah Paul called it Christianity and Jesus and his disciples called it the way....
@@Jason-vf2mj I think James Tabor has a video lecture where he shows that "The Way" terminology was more of an Essene belief and terminology. I could be remembering this wrong, but maybe someone with a better study of this can comment.
1.00 to 2.00 don't forget that 'ruach ha kodesh" ( Holy Spirit) also played an important invisible part. John 16.7
Absolutely! I had the same thought. After Pentecost, the miracles healings, etc showed that it was clear that this was of God!
This just boosted my faith in Islam, these historical and „hidden“ facts are important and align perfectly with my faith. Praise be to God 💞
"align perfectly" bruh, Ebionites teach that Jesus had a father, Joseph. Ebionites taught vegetarian kashrut(all vegetables are pareve anyway)
Your Quran says that Isa had no father and also created birds from clay(taken from Gnostics)
As a convert to Islam from Paulianity. Your work is phenomenal and reinforces my faith. Thankyou for your unapologetic truthfulness and helping us understand the true Jesus
please know islam was made about 600 years after the resurection of YAHUSHA (JESUS) and also Muhammed try commiting suicide after visitation from the suppose angel Gabriel.
which leads me to belive it wasent the angel Gabriel that visited Muhammed but it was satan himself masquerading as a angel of light to decieve Muhammed to make islam to conquer the world.
If you realize the murderer Paul is false why do you accept the murderer Mohammad?
Islam teaches that Jesus was not even crucified at all.
also i dont think of jesus would endorse a warlord and pfile (looking at u too prosperity gospel preaching warlord evangelicals .. was a wae@@ChristinaFromRUclips
@@ChristinaFromRUclipsGospel of Basilides, letters of Ignatius of Antioch refuting early Christians who believed Jesus did not die, Hebrews 5:7 corresponding to Jesus’ cry to be saved when he was being crucified, some Gnostic texts say Simon of Cyrene replaced Jesus on the cross.
This shows that the Islamic position is not foreign to even Christianity.
@@T-19- Jesus died and was raised from the dead by YHVH because the promise is that those who do not sin will live.
Death could not hold the sinless man even when he was murdered because he was without sin and YHVH keeps his promise that the righteous will not die.
Thanks, Dr. Tabor. Thanks for looking deeply into the text as though through a glass darkly. Thank you.
Where is the evidence that Luke was not a Jew or a Jewish convert?
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If you want to follow Jesus....put down the cell phone and get a life.
Why are you quoting the gospel of Thomas in your description 😂
Dont be dumber than a rock !!
If you want to follow jesus, GO TO JESUS !!
FAQ james. And FAQ paul/saul.
holy spirit is angel Gabriel, Jesus pbuh is the messenger of God. you guys make very simple thing over complicated
James, all the people who hear Jesus including his family were murdered for a reason! Once everyone was killed, they went about writing their theology, religion of catholicism or the first christian church,. If they killed Jesus because they didnt like what he had to say, why cant people come to terms that they would wipe every evidence of who they were or what they were saying? Why would they leave his words alone? All these evil people were around killing the witnesses? Please ask yourself a simple question, why would they leave his testimony alone?
Paul and Peter wrote a religion once they killed anyone who heard the truth! Beast 2 from revelation, like the lamb speaks like the dragon, like Jesus speaks like an evil ruler, a priest or a pope!
One day, you will all realize the truth! And one day as it says in revelation, you will all mourn and cry for Jesus Christ or Yeshua!
Judaism killed the 12 holy tribes, Catholicism killed the truth! The redeemer of the accursed, to redeem people from a curse or spell!
🙈 Makes absolutely no sense. There would be no reason to have a Christian church. Why even have the gospels and have a form of religious movement different in the first place then? You would just keep on being good old pagan Rome.
@@beecee3161 I think you dont realize that Jesus was here fighting religion! Go read Pontius Pilates letters. And the truth will set you free from an institution pretending to be holy!
Those who swear at the alter is nothing! Those long winded prayers at the alter for money is nothing! etc.
Blessed is he who never sees a priest! Woe to you priests, chief priests, scribes!
Do you listen to what he says or just read words? Read Isaiah 8:11-13. Religion is a snare from God based on his own words!
Go to my channel and watch my video series!
I agree with all you say, I was brought up as a Catholic, we weren’t taught much about the bible, and I never liked their strict ways, it was always about money, and they were cruel. This made me move away from religion, but for quite a few years now I have been full on trying to learn as much as I can, I do believe in God, and Jesus, and nobody taught, or told me anything, I think your guidance can come from within. I listen to lot’s of different sources, and go with my gut feeling. Best info I’ve ever been given is, “Don’t believe anything you hear, and only half of what you see” do the research. There is evil in this world, and history repeats itself again, and again..
Is it possible that they chose Luke and Acts, knowing that they down played James and the rest of Jesus's family as a way to protect the family line in some way? Though maybe not...what ya think?
Good point.
I thought that also.
yes bc later with Polycarp among many other's who walked with the true 12 apostles, who would have followed more closely to James' message of Christ, insisted the feast day of passover be kept on it's traditional Jewish calendar he is overruled and it is changed to remove themselves from Jewish tradition. Paul didn't speak much about the abolishment of such festivals as we have some evidence that he still observed them in his own letters, BUT the early apostolic fathers such as Eusebius by the 300's staunchly rejected anything "jewish" or what we would call 1st century Messianic church and these same people who wanted to change the festivals also heavily favored Paul's theology.
James the Just: I am the true successor of Jesus
Peter & Paul (and a Mary wannabe): Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called Honah Lee.
I really wish that people that are scholars would stop using the term Christian and Christianity to describe per Nicean believer's. The correct name if you must use a name would be Followers of The Way. For Yeshua said I'm The Way, therefore a follower would follow the Way. At least that is biblical and Greco Roman theology.
“Luke is the only non Jewish writer of the entire New Testament “ that is not true at all. All the gospel authors are GREEKS or Romans and Im inclined to believe the epistles were by Greeks and Romans as well
I’m not persuaded by Dr. Tabor but his posit is at least possible and plausible. With Crossan at the other end, he book-ends the possibilities, and makes the reading of the Gospels and the invention and early history of Christianity far more interesting. For the historical Jesus and that invention, Dr. Tabor is a breathe of fresh air and makes the whole thing both interesting and challenging again.
the thumbnail for this vid looks strangely like Paul McCartney. just felt the need to share
Rome couldn't arrest Jesus and disciples, as Rome did immediately for other false claimants, because when Rome initially tried to arrest Jesus, they were immobilized. Secondly, because there was a Roman occupation of Judea, the Jewish authorities couldn't openly proclaim Jesus the Messiah, which they knew He was because the Romans couldn't arrest Jesus.
Luke doesn't include the death of James the Just or the Destruction of the Temple because they hadn't happened yet. Luke is an historian. Why leave out the most monumental events in the history of the church?
Luke records the names and places of completely irrelevant people and places but he neglects to mention that James was murdered? James was the antagonist in the story. Why leave him out? I would at least have done a victory dance with a, "See, I told you so", at minimum.
Luke shows that the head of the Jerusalem church did NOTHING to stop the Jewish officials from turning Paul over to the Gentiles. If Luke were simping for Paul then he's the worst simp who ever lived. James betrayed Paul like Judas betrayed Jesus.
James was in with the Jewish leadership. By the time we get to Acts 21, the Jerusalem church was little more than a sect of Judaism. There had been priests, Levites, and Pharisees coming into the church for years. They took over that thing. They were safely back under the control of the Jewish establishment. Luke knew that. Paul knew that. But Acts doesn't really tell us a lot about that infiltration - only to mention that priests and Pharisees were joining the movement.
But for James to say nothing while Paul was being hauled away is very telling.
Why can't we find any tombs for any of these very important people?
Rome replaced Pilate as governor of Palestine. Because his cruelty contributed to the Jewish revolt.
James the just was the leader of the Essenes in Jeruzalem.
not Jesus his brother.
they combined them like they combined Jesus with John the baptist.
marketing.
Bet you didnt know this James( kind of ironic that your name is James too)...I'am in Alcoholics Annonymous for 22 years. One of the founders Dr. Bob Smith was a Christian man along with his wife . He paid so much attention to the Book of James in the bible, when writing the Big Book of AA, That the original name for AA was almost called...The James Club"
Now Dr. William JAMES was the biggest influence to the other AA founder Bill Wilson. He had nothing to do with the book of James, I just thought it was interesting that his last name is James. Some believe thathe book of James was written by a Stoic, but thats a whole different rabbit hole. I also heard it may have been...Marcion of Sinope.
Yes sir :) I haven’t thought about that history in a while :)
In the book of Thomas, Jesus tells His apostles to follow James the Just, for the Heavens and earth was created for His sake. It's hard to understand what he meant by that. It sounds to me that James was either God Himself, or a very important prophet
Edit: the name James means supplanter and/or substitute
Having read the outstanding calloway book on consecration to st. Joseph, I think I would "go to st. Joseph. " St. James should take precedence over the popular st. Jude though .
Jesus, killed on a Friday and by Sunday his followers had decided it was better to start a death cult than to carry on his work.
The image of that Jesus in the thumbnail is super fake 🤥
James is Yakob in Hebrew
King James renamed him after himself at the creation of the King James bible
I have wondered if someone with a vested interest in the movement removed information about James to position themselves better,
Jesus did not have brothers. James the servant of god and jesus christ our lord.Hello
Wow, James! This is fantastic. I'll go back to the videos you did around this same time and hopefully find more info. Is this from a particular one of your books? I need to acquire it.
I thought james didn't actually write this ?
I would be interested to know what Dr Tabor would think about the idea that Jesus (and his family at the helm of the movement) were based on (or modeled after in story form) Judah of Galilee, his family, the fourth philosophy and what eventually became known as zealots. Making the first generation christians firmly zealots. I find that theory highly interesting.
Considering how often Dr Tabor emphasizes Jesus’ historicity, I would imagine he doesn’t give that idea much thought.
@@paulallenscards That's too bad. I find the whole "composite Jesus" as something very worthy of taking a look see. As being more historically representative of a movement than one single man. Very intriguing theory. Not straight myth but not straight history either. Best of both worlds lol
@@Vina_Ravyn I agree that it’s a very intriguing conversation. But in purview of the current scholarly consensus, the subject too far from the realm of plausibility for most to explore it any deeper than the textual records otherwise indicate.
@@paulallenscards That's far too bad. Seems to me the textual records offers us multiple stories that indicate that Jesus is mainly used for theological proofs more than historical accuracy. I think even Dr Tabor would agree with that. I do think the fundamentalism in scholarship is kinda funny considering how far outside the box the New Testament is opposed to what the Jewish scriptures say. It was worth a shot. ;)
@@Vina_Ravyn - I think at the very least there is some influence. You might be interested in a paper (open access) recommended by Dr Samuel Zinner recently - here is the citation: Bermejo-Rubio, Fernando. "Jesus and the Anti-Roman Resistance", Journal for the Study of the Historical Jesus 12, 1-2 (2014):1-105.
Is this a reading from Jesus Dynasty?
James was written before the Crucifixion.
Dr Tabor. I really enjoy your reading!! Ty
Part 2! Part 2!
If you want to follow Jesus, believe the gospel.
Have you read the Gnostic gospels…the ones that were left out by the Roman Catholic Church around 300+ years AD
@@moonbeamyoga8868 the King James Bible is all you need
@@jamesw6111 its why you are following james and paul/saul.
Jesus NEVER endorsed your bible. !!
@@modusoperandiofsatan the Bible was written by inspiration of the Holy Sprit. Does Jesus not endorse his own word?
You are making up a totally phony religion.
Enjoyed very much.
In the book of Thomas it also says Go To James the just,what is accepted and not. Hmmm.
Even more interesting is that Jesus said that the heavens and earth were created for His (James') sake
What is the origin and history of the detestable phrase, “mother of god”?
The Council of Ephesus in AD 431 decreed that Mary is the Theotokos "God-bearer" because Her Son Jesus is both God and man: one divine person from two natures (divine and human) intimately and hypostatically united.
The title of Mother of God or Mother of Incarnate God; is most often used in English, largely due to the lack of a satisfactory equivalent of the Greek τόκος. For the same reason, the title is often left untranslated, as "Theotokos", in Orthodox liturgical usage of other languages.
The title has been in use since the 3rd century, in the Syriac tradition.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theotokos
Awesome analysis Sir.
Was James Jesus half brother?
Yes.
Confirmed.
Probably. It appears that Joseph was not the father of Jesus, at least according to Matthew and Luke. They both say it was the Holy Spirit, although more likely it was another unnamed man.
Very interesting. Thank you Dr Tabor
Sounds like a lot of guesswork and innuendo. Certainly, Luke was writing both a history and also a theology. But your statement comes off as an accusation and a reason to discredit him. Luke says this about his work:
Luke 1:1-4 - Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, 2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; 3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus, 4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.
Why would you imply that Luke was trying to do something other than he admittedly set out to do? It's for the same reason the Ancient Astronaut theorists make the following claim: "Academics don't want us to know that aliens have visited us in the past." It's a "conspiracy" angle that actually works. "The authorities don't want you to know this."
It's the tactic used in the Garden by the serpent. It's an effective tactic.
They were right, the Apocalypse came as Titus, son of Vespasian, and his tenth legion. The destruction of Jerusalem and Temple in AD70.
Nope. I don't think Jesus, James, Peter, John the Baptist, or Paul of Tarsus ever historically existed. Joseph Atwill has finally figured it out, leaving Tabor's and Ehrman's studies as relics of the past. The Flavian scribes created Jesus, James and Paul...and John the Baptist, too. 05/30/'23
The claim that Acts was written after the destruction of the temple has been proven false but Tabor still claims it's true. He is not honorable. I have proven that Luke and Acts were both written prior to 70 A.D. simply by reading the texts.
Tabor is in business to cast doubt on the word of God. Good for him.
Great video! I am curious why you think Mark was a Jew? His gospel is high level greek, and in chapter 7 he has to explain to his audience about ritual purity, and he gets a lot wrong.
What is missing from this Gospel of Tabor is the resurrection of Jesus. It is more probable that a resin Jesus and the Spirit animated the followers after the crucifixion than that the Jewish-Christians worshipped the “bloodline” of David. James the just became a leader in Jerusalem but the movement doesn’t survive without the resurrection. Best to stay with the Church’s version than this scholarly fiction.
In John 1 the Levites ask John the baptist who he is, revealing their expectations of the Messiah and the Prophet mentioned in Isaiah.
Who is the voice in the desert in Is 40:3?
John 1:23 John replied, “I am a voice crying out in the desert, Make the Lord’s path straight, just as the prophet Isaiah said.”
John 3:28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but, that I am sent before him.
Who is the prophet of good news in Is41,61?
Luke 4:43 But Jesus said, “I must proclaim the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent.”
What is the kingdom of God?
The kingdom(Theocratic kingdom) is within you(the lawkeepers) Lk17:21.
and it will be given to an other nation(bani Ishmael)
Mk12:1-12 Lk20:9-19 Mt21:33-46 Mt:20:1-16
Who is the servant in Is42?
Who is Kedar? Where is mount Sela? Who is the bruised reed? Who is the smaldering wick?
His Torah(Law)?
Isaiah42 talks about prophet Muhammadﷺ
Is42:1 my servant - Avdi in hebrew, Abdi in arabic(an atribute of the Prophet Muhammadﷺ mentioned in Qur'an)
Is42:2 He will not shout or cry out, or raise his voice in the streets.(Another attribute of the Prophetﷺ)
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Is42:3 a *bruised reed* he will not break...
bruised reed is Egypt(Christians in egypt even prayed for the muslim army to be succesful against the byzantines)
Is42:4 he will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes justice on earth(the Prophet was succesful against idolators).
In his law the islands will put their hope.(Indonesia the largest archipelago is a muslim country. Even The United States Supreme Court honors Prophet Muhammadﷺ as greatest source of law.)
Is42:6 I will keep you and will make you to be a covenant for the people and a light for the Gentiles(the Prophet was sent to all mankind, not only to arabs or israelites as Jesus [pbuth])
Is42:10 Sing to the LORD a new song, his praise from the ends of the earth(First word in the Qur'an, Surah Al-Fatiha, which we recite more than 17 times a day is Al-Hamdu-liLah All praise to Allah Lord of the worlds)
Is42:11 The desert - is the arabian peninsula
raise their voices - is the call to prayer(adhan)
Kedarites - are descendants of Ishmael
Is42:14 For a long time I have kept silent, I have been quiet and held myself back(600 years between Muhammad and Jesus pbuth)
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Is42:15 I will lay waste the mountains and hills and dry up all their vegetation; I will turn rivers into islands and dry up the pools.
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Paul claimed to be the prophet sent to the Gentiles but he preached lawlessness.
For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by *setting aside in his flesh the law* with its commands and regulations.Eph2:14-15
having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, *nailing it to the cross* Col2:14
For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.Rom7:2-3
(The husband and wife is an analogy of God and his people. According to paul, god died so people are free from the law.)
Jesus warned against those who preach anomian(ἀνομίαν) - lawlessness in Mt 7:22-23, Mt 24:12 "Because lawlessness is increased, most people's love will grow cold.
Amazing presentation! Truly unique and its overview of historical New testament individuals. Undoubtedly taking a lifetime of passion and the pursuit both in the written word as well as on the ground Archaeologist.
Maybe. Both happened maybe the apostles just saw it different. Leave out your unsupported facts your assumptions. Is wrong
Paul was not initiated and i suppose he changed completely the 'holy trinity'...it is not 'the father ,the son and the holy spirit' !!!!! The fourfold inner being is: the god ho theos, the father,
The primordial essence ,or origin, he arche, the mother
The formative thought ho logos, the son
The breath to pneuma, the life principle
The threefold manifested man
The spiritual body , soma pneumatikon
The psychic body, some psychikon
The phystcal body , flesh, sarx
Conjecture. Speculation. should have equivocation in some form. His concept of Leadership seems to be constructed out of such persons as Julius Caesar which, I conjecture, is not how Christianity started. What keeps Christianity going is freedom from suffering by acts of devotion to Jesus or the prospect of Heaven. How anyone can overlook the "opium of the masses" as part of Christianity is beyond me, and add to that "self evident truth" such as "do onto others".
excellent stuff.
except that of course Acts was pseudoepigraphical, by which I mean Luke and Acts are by different authors (and neither author is "Luke").
Where do these bizarre titles Mother Of God, kingdom of God, Son of God actually derived from?
As a theological movement takes shape it uses such catch phrases as if they are real.
But the whole conceot around these names goes right back to Genesis where it claims now people have become like gods to know good and evil! The rest is just hot air.
I think it's the humanitarian teachings of jesus that matter ,the rest is not really valid, if only all christian churches could focus on that,instead of ritual,and argueing over the divinity of jesus ,etc..the christian churches are so backward,not to just focus on Jesus's teaching,and they are so divisive,it's a shame more people don't think like me.
8:00 - hmm, and isn't the Jesus of GLuke actually forgiving (ie identifying the responsibility of) the Jews, rather than the Romans, which would be in line with what you were just saying before?
The Shia Muslims have known what you say for thousands of years. In fact many original converts were fragments of the followers of the Dynasty.
Does the gnostic gospels mention James? Or any other text??
the Jerusalem council decision from what i understand whats because Moses os taught every sabbath so the 4 things cmvert do its the beginning while they learn Mosaic law.
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The 3 fold manifested man corresponds to : shushumna, ida and pingala
Aswel a to sat chit ananda
In greek ' makarios'
I will tell you in person why James was left out. He was hated because the Truth of God goes against what humanity has adopted as normal. Since he insisted on only teaching Truth instead of setting up a false religion of flowers and roses he was not given the credit that he was due. Another thing important to note, he did not believe in Jesus until he witnessed him ascend, then he realized that every single thing that he heard Jesus say throughout his whole life was true. James was all about the factual side of things approaching God more as a scientist than a believer, with proof already under his belt.
Thank you for sharing.
Interesting but quite a bit of speculation. Food for thought though.
Algo
Blast it!How do you expect us to be interested in a video that is much less tahn an hour? :)