After a 89 reg 90, a 85 reg 110, a 92 reg 110 and a 2007 reg 130, and currently rebuilding a 1990, 90. My IG beats them all hands down, apart from the steering lock. Owned my 2 seat van 17 months and I use it for work as a fencing and forestry contractor, it's the dogs. Only mods are some drawers in the back and swapped the bfgs out for cooper stt pros, floods and a beacon on the roof. It's got to last, just hope it does, no issues and I'm just coming up to 12,000m. It tows my 12ft ifor tipper well, returns a genuine 21mpg on my short local runs, it's a diesel. Got 27mpg on a run. Only thing is you need to really learn this truck, especially the right sequence for the lockers, just wish you could get the rear locker to work in high range. .... the hands free is crap, the heater is pants, so get the heated seats, and the wireless reception is poor. But its mustard, goes where a rover won't and is quiet, it's got plenty of grunt and is comfortable, engine and trans are top draw.
I compared mine to my Merc G wagon 3.0L diesel (2018) I put £20000 back in the bank and drove away with the Ineos . Better engine Better torque Better gearbox timing for O/Road Better suspension Better brakes And yes better steering No problem with my hands free and regarding the heating it is slow to switch over the different setting , seems a bit like the old Merc servo systems but give it a moment and all fine. Its better if you don’t set above 23C. Like you pleased with fuel mpg 24-27 depending on trip distance . Let’s not forget 5 year warranty . All Ineos owners should call into their local dealers and just ask about service bulletin / recall stuff . They are constantly tweaking and upgrading this car under the radar . Things you have no issue with are being adjusted or modified now there’s 1000s out in the real world . Ask nicely and you might get a free wash & vac 😂😂 Best car I’ve ever owned and that’s a guy coming from 20+ LR products and my last car a G wagon. I think a two door (2 seat ) pick / chassis cab would sell really well , surely it’s coming !
Having owned one nearly 2 yrs it's Built to work. Built for purpose. Also it's brother Mercedes G is made very close at Graz. Grenadier really works. The USA market is now the biggest UK is niche. As an adventure vehicle just at how's its looking aboard.
What passably you didn't mention was the engineering the stainless brake lines the urethane bushes the thickness of the chassis double door seals etc etc .Also you need more than 3 days to get used to the steering power delivery dynamics it has 5 link suspension after 3/4 of a million miles in Defender Im lucky enough to have a Grenadier.
Good review and fair comment, as far as the steering is concerned, it does feel better the more you drive, offroad its a dream, no snatch back at all, this is the car we wanted landrover to build, unfortunately, they didn't have the vision, so glad Jim Ratcliffe did,when i go back to my 110, which I've had 24 years, it's like chalk and cheese, the 110 was my daily driver for 23years, (except when it broke down) hence I wouldn't go back! .what it's not is a new defender, my youngest son has a new 110 defender and it's just not for me, nice family car though. Atb.
Looks like Graythwaits have their own ineos now. I have my hands on the trailmaster (got all the lockers) for a weekend in January if you fancy a play in the Cotswolds or Marlborough downs? Permission for off road mischief approved. 👍
Trouble was old defendr sold 20-25,000 per year, now look at current defender sales and profit! I think it would be great for Land Rover to make a "real" defender, but it can't, it doesn't make money. Interesting to see Inios sales over a few years to see how they get on, but for me a military/utility vehicle its too expensive..
Brilliant video to see more of the Grenadier! Honestly looks like what the new Defender should have been. Although I don't think anything can replace the proper/classic defender. (And I wish they still made them but what can you do?)
I would say if anything is going to replace the original Defender it would have to be a Grenadier by default just because solid axles the look the size Etc now from all the other reviews I've seen have you never driven one I can tell that especially if you have one with lockers it absolutely is better I mean it's wider it's a little more roomy it doesn't want to flip over as easy has a much better engine etc etc. I feel like the steering could be made better with double coil spring dampeners😂 the problem with the new Defender is that it's really no surprise it turned out that way. Look at the way Land Rover was already going and the fact that the engineers who made old solid axle ones were long gone so of course the current ones think hey this is the best we have going let's continue this funky independent suspension are stuff😂 they did a really bad job at not actually knowing what the people want and just thinking let's evolve this in a modern Rover equivalency standpoint . They knew exactly what they were doing with the new Defender and it was all people who never had the old Defender and never cared about off-roading. Or at least if they did they were D3 D4 generation engineer off-roaders😂 there's no way any serious off-roader was on the Land Rover staff when they decided to make it that way
Yeah but since they're borrowing engine and transmission from BMW, they're locked into whatever they're offered. Maybe down the road they develop their own transmission.
Sorry, still don't like it. Too expensive, too heavy and the front is ugly. And thanks a lot, Ineos. Due to the withdrawal of a big order, Recaro had to shut down ! So, I have no seats for my Troopy !
That’s garbage - VW group canceled their order for performance seats for Porsche - Ineos was just barely keeping it limping along after that. No way that’s sustainable.
After a 89 reg 90, a 85 reg 110, a 92 reg 110 and a 2007 reg 130, and currently rebuilding a 1990, 90. My IG beats them all hands down, apart from the steering lock. Owned my 2 seat van 17 months and I use it for work as a fencing and forestry contractor, it's the dogs. Only mods are some drawers in the back and swapped the bfgs out for cooper stt pros, floods and a beacon on the roof. It's got to last, just hope it does, no issues and I'm just coming up to 12,000m. It tows my 12ft ifor tipper well, returns a genuine 21mpg on my short local runs, it's a diesel. Got 27mpg on a run. Only thing is you need to really learn this truck, especially the right sequence for the lockers, just wish you could get the rear locker to work in high range. .... the hands free is crap, the heater is pants, so get the heated seats, and the wireless reception is poor. But its mustard, goes where a rover won't and is quiet, it's got plenty of grunt and is comfortable, engine and trans are top draw.
@@benjaminwilley3578 yes my worry too hope it lasts, great vehicle 15km now no issues 👍
You are comparing a brand new car costing a considerable amount to a 17 year old defender, of course it beats them hands down 😂
I compared mine to my Merc G wagon 3.0L diesel (2018) I put £20000 back in the bank and drove away with the Ineos .
Better engine
Better torque
Better gearbox timing for O/Road
Better suspension
Better brakes
And yes better steering
No problem with my hands free and regarding the heating it is slow to switch over the different setting , seems a bit like the old Merc servo systems but give it a moment and all fine. Its better if you don’t set above 23C.
Like you pleased with fuel mpg 24-27 depending on trip distance .
Let’s not forget 5 year warranty .
All Ineos owners should call into their local dealers and just ask about service bulletin / recall stuff . They are constantly tweaking and upgrading this car under the radar . Things you have no issue with are being adjusted or modified now there’s 1000s out in the real world .
Ask nicely and you might get a free wash & vac 😂😂
Best car I’ve ever owned and that’s a guy coming from 20+ LR products and my last car a G wagon.
I think a two door (2 seat ) pick / chassis cab would sell really well , surely it’s coming !
Having owned one nearly 2 yrs it's Built to work. Built for purpose. Also it's brother
Mercedes G is made very close at Graz. Grenadier really works. The USA market is now the biggest UK is niche. As an adventure vehicle just at how's its looking aboard.
What passably you didn't mention was the engineering the stainless brake lines the urethane bushes the thickness of the chassis double door seals etc etc .Also you need more than 3 days to get used to the steering power delivery dynamics it has 5 link suspension after 3/4 of a million miles in Defender Im lucky enough to have a Grenadier.
I think you summed things up very fairly.
At the end of the day each to their own.
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Good review and fair comment, as far as the steering is concerned, it does feel better the more you drive, offroad its a dream, no snatch back at all, this is the car we wanted landrover to build, unfortunately, they didn't have the vision, so glad Jim Ratcliffe did,when i go back to my 110, which I've had 24 years, it's like chalk and cheese, the 110 was my daily driver for 23years, (except when it broke down) hence I wouldn't go back! .what it's not is a new defender, my youngest son has a new 110 defender and it's just not for me, nice family car though. Atb.
its a beautiful piece of machinery
There is a small lift what changes the geometry a bit and apparently that solves the steering return to center issue.
Another great video. The steering in the Ineos is old fashioned steering box rather then rack and pinion system.
Looks like Graythwaits have their own ineos now. I have my hands on the trailmaster (got all the lockers) for a weekend in January if you fancy a play in the Cotswolds or Marlborough downs? Permission for off road mischief approved. 👍
Hopefully a work around will happen with the steering. I did see someone changing the caster which apparently helps
How did you get on with the footrest on drivers side? I found it quite noticeable and worry how it would be after 5 hours driving.
A replacement for my 2015 Disco 4 ?? Been thinking about it but they are quite expensive. I do like the Space Shuttle switches though :)
Wish I could get hold of a defender!
Interesting comparison...Defender to Grenadier to Modern Defender to G-Wagon?
Trouble was old defendr sold 20-25,000 per year, now look at current defender sales and profit! I think it would be great for Land Rover to make a "real" defender, but it can't, it doesn't make money.
Interesting to see Inios sales over a few years to see how they get on, but for me a military/utility vehicle its too expensive..
Brilliant video to see more of the Grenadier! Honestly looks like what the new Defender should have been. Although I don't think anything can replace the proper/classic defender. (And I wish they still made them but what can you do?)
Keep your hands on the steering wheel. You taking both hands off made me wince!
I want to see it off road.
I would say if anything is going to replace the original Defender it would have to be a Grenadier by default just because solid axles the look the size Etc now from all the other reviews I've seen have you never driven one I can tell that especially if you have one with lockers it absolutely is better I mean it's wider it's a little more roomy it doesn't want to flip over as easy has a much better engine etc etc. I feel like the steering could be made better with double coil spring dampeners😂 the problem with the new Defender is that it's really no surprise it turned out that way. Look at the way Land Rover was already going and the fact that the engineers who made old solid axle ones were long gone so of course the current ones think hey this is the best we have going let's continue this funky independent suspension are stuff😂 they did a really bad job at not actually knowing what the people want and just thinking let's evolve this in a modern Rover equivalency standpoint . They knew exactly what they were doing with the new Defender and it was all people who never had the old Defender and never cared about off-roading. Or at least if they did they were D3 D4 generation engineer off-roaders😂 there's no way any serious off-roader was on the Land Rover staff when they decided to make it that way
If I had one wish for the Grenadier… make a 6 speed manual option.
Yeah but since they're borrowing engine and transmission from BMW, they're locked into whatever they're offered. Maybe down the road they develop their own transmission.
Sorry, still don't like it. Too expensive, too heavy and the front is ugly. And thanks a lot, Ineos. Due to the withdrawal of a big order, Recaro had to shut down ! So, I have no seats for my Troopy !
That’s garbage - VW group canceled their order for performance seats for Porsche - Ineos was just barely keeping it limping along after that. No way that’s sustainable.