Excellent review as always by ASPW, I would like to add an issue with the model year 2024 in the USA. Called the ADAS System, commonly known as the (nanny system) the overspeed limit , that is so annoying because it has a chimney sound every time you pass the speed limit by 5% , it can be turn off but ( turn's on every engine cycle again). If you take the Fuse out you get a Christmas tree light on the cluster.. In many Internet Forums that is the most despicable function the software has. The test and demo vehicles did not have this system, I was told it is a new European law that require it in every 2024 model the rest of the Car feels and drives as you describe and feels tough. @4xoverland
Hi Andrew, interesting to hear your opinion on the Grenadier. You might be interested in this 👉We're actually on a 5-year trip in a Grenadier across the world right now towing a Patriot X3, which we live in. We set off from London in mid-July 2023 with our two young kids and we’re approaching 50000km. At least 70% of our journey has been off-road... heading to Mongolia and Africa soon.
This car will be selling like hot cakes in North America based on this review.... you'd be a fool not to buy it if you were in the market for this type of car. Ineos should be really grateful for this review...the best I've seen.
@@overland-workshop The lump in the footwell on right hand drive, does this apply to left hand drives? If not, maybe all left hand drive nations will overcome your back problem. If so, maybe huge potential in the US.
This is an absolutely brilliant review. Tells me everything I need to know, by someone who knows what they're talking about. Of all the many reviews on the Grenadier, this is the only one I've seen that's worth watching. It shows the vehicle being used in the way it's designed to be used, in the hands of an experienced off road driver, and that's exactly what I want to see. The other reviews I've seen only showed it driven on tarmac, and only covered the things that are largely irrelevant. This one however, is perfect. I can make a buying decision based on this. Thank you so much for covering the Grenadier properly. It's fantastic.
I wonder if the automatic has a manual mode in low range like the Disco series 2 question mark because that manual mode in the Disco allowing you to take off from a dead stop in second third or fourth is a huge game changer off-road in certain conditions compared to just driving around in drive low range or first low range. I've had scenarios where I take off from a stop in 3rd gear low while other people are getting stuck taken off and drive which is first gear we're going too slow up a hill where is second gear low is perfect
I'd love to watch it on a real tough 4 by 4 Trail to actually get it articulated against a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon or a Bronco Badlands and watch it suffer miserably hahaha
As someone who gets hip and back pain unless I'm sitting perfectly straight in a vehicle, there's no way I could live with that lump in the floor either. I currently drive and old Isuzu Trooper with captain's chairs and it has one of the best seating positions I've ever experienced in a 4x4, it's one of the main reasons I've kept the vehicle for so long.
Great review Andrew. I've had mine for a month. I'm 185cm tall and in my early 60’s. I push my seat back and Jack it up so I have an upright seating position using the foot rest rather than trying to work around it. So far I've been comfortable. I had a similar issue with the parking sensor. The dealer adjusted the position of the sensor in the bumper. It wasn't a software issue in my case. I don't regret my decision. The cars not perfect by any stretch but it's got a lot of good points and a bucket full of character. A compressor fits next to the axillary battery and a dc to dc charger also fits under the back seat connected to an Anderson plug next to the tow hitch so I can connect a solar panel.
Good review Andrew. Pity you couldn't get used to the footwell. Just a note: those are not the rock sliders. That's the sidesteps. The rock sliders are much higher and tucked in under the car. Nato plug is for a rear winch you can get as an option. Rear bash plate protects the exhaust muffler which we've measured can be replaced with about a 50L fuel tank. Great comments from Heiner too. I did exactly that: added a Lithium with a red arc charger.
I assume you have a left-hand-drive version; does that one have that lump in the footwell too? Based on what Andrew was saying, I was thinking it didn't.
I think that second battery has been set up as an auxiliary battery rather than a ”house” battery and is mostly intended to help with additional loads like winching, compressing, lighting and starting. However, in cases that don’t need that but do want house or camp power, what you have done is a brilliant idea and maybe one they could offer as an option.
Hello Andrew, I test drove a Grenadier a few months ago and came to exactly the same conclusion. I could live with the steering but not the foot rest and I do not consider myself as old. Also the one I tested have drive train vibration issues. I have decided to wait until the second version is released hoping the lump is gone and reliability reports around the software improves. Thank you for the balanced review.
Thank you! Glad you liked it. Was a privilege to be part of them for almost 3 years - and mostly glad you liked the toggle switches and push buttons (definetly not from j-tech or similar 😉). Thank you colleagues and suppliers who read this - BR Manuel 💪👍
Let me just say: this is possibly the best auto review I've ever seen. It's thorough, honest, and it's clear you put a lot of effort into testing it properly. I still plan on getting one, since I live in an LHD country.
I pointed out this footwell lump as a deal breaker in a video on my much smaller Spanish channel during the prototype car presentation 2 years ago, luckily in Europe 🇪🇺 it's not a problem for drivers, but even so, it's uncomfortable for passengers too! although they've made it smaller. It must be hard to sort, otherwise they would've fixed it by now. Really great review Andrew. 👍You are the most knowledgeable 4x4 reviewer. 🤩 Easy4x4
The lump is greatly exaggerated in the washout flooring version, on the carpet version it's much smaller. Look on line, jerry flint grenadier footwell, and you will see a picture of the RHD washout flooring removed and notice the lump doesn't extend much higher than the break. Can't be to hard to refabricate the washout flooring for the RHD and there should be no issue placing it up against the lump itself as that's how it's done in the carpet version.
Great review. You echoed everything positive I feel about my vehicle… with the exception of the “lump in the footwell”. I’m coming from a 200 series and what you felt in the Grenadier after hours of driving, I constantly felt in my 200- immense discomfort! Strangely enough, mine was because I didn’t really have anywhere to put my left foot- I simply couldn’t get comfortable with it moving around and nothing to stabilise it. It basically dangled. In my Grenadier that “lump” is my stability- it helps keep my leg in one place and because of that I’m able to drive it for hours on end. I have had no lower back or leg pain. In my cruiser I had to stop and stretch every few hours. I’m at circa 8000km in my Grenadier now and about 80% of that off-road. Regarding the steering- the only complaint or challenge I have is the turning circle. It’s like an 18 wheeler truck! However, regarding the steering “play”… I’ve come to appreciate it when driving on the rocky surfaces we get here in Kenya. I drove hundreds of kilometres from Serengeti to Ngorongoro and then Lake Natron which is basically sand and volcanic rock. That steering gave me the confidence to keep going at a reasonably fast pace. Having said that, I’ve been waiting for your review, and thoroughly enjoyed it.
I think the footwell “lump” was an itch ASPW couldn’t help scratching. It’s a non-issue. It’s a high seating position and both your knees are pretty close to a 90 degree angle. I only have toes on the footrest until I want more bracing so I don’t even notice it until I use it and appreciate it. Self-centring steering isn’t an attribute it was originally designed in when cars didn’t have power assistance and needed lots of turns lock to lock so quickly unwinding that was nice. I learned to drive in a ‘61 Buick with about 6 turns lock to lock and steering that meant twirling the wheel with an open palm then applying enough friction to smoothly centre again. It was, in no respect, good steering. I have an RX-8 with universally acclaimed great steering and it doesn’t self centre. You have to steer it back because that’s what drivers want in such a car. Both these issues are only “deal breakers” in the same way that, say, lack of a makeup mirror probably is to someone.
I had almost months two driven the Grenadier - Trial Master LHD Petrol (Middle east - GCC) here are notes: -I can confirm I have no issues with feet space (LHD) -I opted the rocksliders, which looks great with huge clearance, great for sand dunes and protections in mountain area with huge rocks, but not enough space to put your feet on the rockslider so added a step side on it (which I have to fabricate) -On highway, when you cruise control you want to back off and rest your foot it touches the lever seat. -On the Trial Master with KO2 , the speed is incorrect by 4-5 Kmph slow which is approximately 4% correction should be added. -Fuel range is 560 (with the 4% correction) normal driving City/Highway combined. - The Radius turning too wide with KO2 , I have not tried the Bridgestone tires could be better. -Aftermarket wheels choices are limited because its wheels pattern 6x130 though made hubcentric wheels adapters to work with 6x139.7 wheels after market with in consideration of the offset +55 (wheels adapter about 32+ with wheels offset +20 ) total +52 close enough with different tire will work. We are still learning, I have not got all the Grenadier accessories yet, waiting them to arrive. I ticked all the accessories I can can get except the Bulbar and side bars.
The different showm speed from the actual one is a requirement for homologation, there is a specific speed that must be displayed, higher than the real one
Aaahhh! Basking in the warm suds of an honest, independent, tell it like it is review... Good job Mr White! Hopefully this makes other vehicle brands realise the value of your reviews. No puff pieces, no smoke up bums, just good feedback on what works and what doesn't. Merry Christmas and a prosperous 2024 to you and yours!
I really enjoyed the review - the good and the bad. I finally took one for a test drive this weekend, and got the chance to see for myself what the vehicle is really like. And I think Andrew is right - it‘s absolutely brilliant. Solidly built, with thought about what a true 4x4 / overlanding enthusiast is looking for. The steering wasn’t a problem for me having grown up driving tractors and old Land Rovers. And the lump in the floor is not nearly as bad as Andrew makes out - for me at least. I‘m 6‘2“ (186cm) and didn‘t have a problem with it, driving on and off road all day in the Grenadier. In fact, I didn‘t really notice it. I really like the build quality, the thoughtful design features, the load space / carrying / towing specs. It‘s certainly pricey, but it feels like you‘re getting quality for your money. So much so, I‘ve pressed the order button yesterday. It should arrive in January (subject to recently announced supply-chain delays). Thanks again Andrew for a great review. And I hope you have another think about getting one - it‘d be great to see you build one out, and make use of all those pre-wired buttons for your overlanding equipment…
Andrew, appreciate your view but let me add this from an owner with 3k+ km on the clock - I was really worried about the foot bump before delivery, but what I’ve come to realise is that the footrest puts your feet level and your back straight between resting left foot and right root off pedals on cruise control. I’m 6’4” and I was really worried that I’d made a mistake on my order when I first sat in the car. But after lots of driving I find it much better than the asymmetric foot positions of a Disco 4 or 5 that we had before the Grenadier.
The in depth dialogue and great video editing bring me joy watching , best reviews I've seen , great job 👍 , If National Geographic starts a car show , we have your man !
I've nearly done 10000km in my grenadier at the moment and I don't notice the lump any more and I'm 6'3". also you get used to the steering. as a 70 series owner it's like chalk and cheese. both are equally capable off road, but the grenny is so much better on the road. other than the electrical gremlins, I haven't had many issues. very impressed for the first vehicle from ineos in terms of quality and workmanship.
with regards to fuel, I agree. I flog it everywhere because it is real quick on road, and so the furthest I have gotten out of a tank is about 500 with about 7L left in the 90L tank when I filled up. fuel economy is therefore similar to my 79, around 16L/100km. with regards to jerry cans, black sheep do a metal bracket which goes over the rear boot window (like heiner's 76) and you can get those rotopax jerry cans to fit on that. I'm hoping they provide aftermarket side windows for the boot that are 100% glass (like the ARB ascent dual cab windows) unlike the ones you can get from explore glazing. I put a piece of thick clear tape over the bit of metal next to the steps to prevent scratches.
Have a JKU wrangler, the transmission tunnel gets in the way. After a week you don’t notice it and id forgotten about it till I saw this post. Not a deal breaker, humans adapt quickly.
To me the number one purpose of cars like this is to provide enjoyment to the owners. So whichever you like (Grenadier, Toyota, Nissan, etc) go for it and enjoy your weekends.
Excellent review. Thanks for taking the time and calling in the loan favours to get the vehicle. I am actually impressed with the vehicle and as has been said elsewhere Grenadier series 2 will be just awesome.
I have waited so long for this! Excellent insight Andrew, Ineos cannot ignore the facts I am sure of it. They have an opportunity to set themselves apart from the other manufacturers here.
Great review Andrew. The Grenadier looks like it will be a strong 4x4 I say good luck to it. I'm sure Ineos will address the few shortcomings in later model years. I'm personally going to stick with my L663 Defender 110. The more I've learned about it the more I feel it actually is a solid 4x4 with the right tools, i.e. having the GAP tool (for the electronics).
I tested a grenadier for a week as a possible farm truck replacement to my l332 tdv8 in Ireland but I had the same issues with the lump in the floor and the steering was atrocious. Potting around on the farm it was ok but on the narrow, windy country roads around here the steering box is to slow and it almost got me in trouble a couple times so I'll be sticking with the range rover for now
@@sarahann530honestly dont know what you mean by that? Because he thought about a grenadier? 80.000euros for a reliable car over 350.000km isnt that much for somebody getting use out of it everyday.
Absolutely brilliant review, I almost ordered one and your steering comments confirmed my suspicions as an engineer that there is not enough castor on the steering and the second thing was the look of a collapsed front suspension. Otherwise a brilliant machine, well done to the design teams.
As a Land Rover driver I couldn’t think of a better vehicle to transition too next. After testing a few in SA and Botswana, for me it felt like it retained the character and the things I love about the Defender, but it felt like it was built like a Mercedes. I personally think it’s probably the best stock 4x4 you can buy right now.
@@mojavedesertsonorandesert9531 I live the gx 550 concept but the engine issues going around right now are tempering my enthusiasm for it. Once they iron out those issues and Inios sorts out their first edition foibles it will be a very hard decision to make between them.
Hi Andrew, I was playing with the Grenadier configurator and it appears that the one you tested is fitter with side runners as opposed to rock sliders. The rock slider variant sits up higher and closer to the bottom of the door so is in line with your suggestions. Great review and glad to read your opinion on it, I trust you over any motoring journalist.
Absolutely like what you said towards the end. No doubt the Land Cruiser is great but to me the Grenadier just seems like it's going to be a more fun and interesting vehicle. I feel that way too.
This review is simply so very much better and more thorough than any other review of a proper 4x4 that I have seen. Congratulations, you have made a review that is in a league of its own.
Great and honest review! I also had the pleasure of testing the Grenadier for 3 hours offroad, although it was the LHD-version and this doesn´t have the lump in the footwell! I´m 6 ft 1 and my seating position was absolutley spot on and comfortable.....a huge difference to my daily driven Defender :-) I also noticed the slow steering and the instructor told me that this was part of the ladder frame deal and it is supposedly some sort of Jeep design. Not sure if this is true tbh. The overall impression I got was very good, but it´s a heavy and pricy vehicle.
I'm landrover through and through, owned them since 95. I was told if you want to go across the desert, take a landrover....if you want to go across the desert and come home, take a Toyota......then I sat in a Grenadier and I felt it completely changed the rule book....everything was thoroughly thought out for the driver's needs.
Brilliant Andrew. Thoroughly enjoyed this "warts & all" review and for what it's worth, the absolute show stopper as you clearly pointed out with the lump in the driver's footwell, was the sole reason I didn't purchase this vehicle 10 months ago when test driven. A big shame and I hope they find a design solution to solving this in the next updated model. Cheers!
Excellent review. I've just bought one, having owned all the LR products and most pickups. The LHD footrest doesn't bother me at all (I'm 6'2" with size 12s) Even knowing about the 'issue' before I bought, I've just never noticed it in use. And the steering makes the vehicle remarkably placeable off road, you get used to it in a day. Then you start to appreciate it's strengths: it is supremely precise making the vehicle extraordinarily precise. At speed through bends, the steering is great too; I find it is worst at high speed on narrow, rough roads where the centre vagueness lets it down. But you get such an important thing right - this is a vehicle that makes you smile every time you drive it - a memorable, characterful, remarkable car, so rare today.
Good to get an honest opinion from a genuine serious 4x4 user. I'm glad you mentioned the lump in the foot well, I found it bloody frustrating on a test drive earlier this year, but thought I was being fussy. I drove it wearing trainers, but I bet wearing boots it would be a nightmare. Other than that it is awesome, the LHD drive world are lucky!!
As an industrial designer, I have to say hearing your feedback on the form of the vehicles sounds like a true Designer. Your insights make complete sense and are clearly coming from someone who has a lot of experience around vehicles. If I were a vehicle company I’d pay you a truck load of cash to sit on some design critiques
Great review, your experience ring true when reviewing this type vehicle. I won’t consider buying one until they resolve some of the issues you raised. Keep up the honest reviews, we trust your opinion.
Thank you for a great review, you've done it again! I'm grinning like a hyena at a giraffe carcass! You've touched n my favourite 4x4's of all time and hit the nail on the head. Gwagen, Defender and 70 series in one magnificent machine. Beautifully executed piece.
Thoroughly enjoyed your review of the Grenadier, I test drive one in Ireland a few weeks ago and although I preferred everything else about the Ineos I’m leaning towards a Defender because of the lump in the footwell
HOLEY COW!! You brought back such fond memories driving that old Range Rover! My grandad used to take us to the Tugela River in KZN for holidays and that old beast would take us everywhere, great vid!
Thank you Andrew! Definitely the best review of this car so far! I love the amount of attention you give to details, both on the vehicle itself as to the quality of the finished video. Great job!
Phenomenal review, as expected. I also decided not to purchase the Grenadier because of that lump - at 6’3” my left leg wouldn’t get comfortable. Excellent looking vehicle and no doubt excellent engine & gearbox combo.
Regarding the locker activation sequence, I often use my front locker only to maneuver around tight spots with the rear locker turned off to keep the turning radius very tight. Surely manufacturers could design a system that would allow the front locker to be on and the rear locker off at speeds under say 15 mph for safety.
@@k2svpete Well apparently somebody on this channel did not like my response because it got deleted....hmmm, wonder why? The rear locker is what causes the vehicle to push to the most. My front locker is a Lock-Rite style so when the hubs are engaged, the locker is working. My rear is a selectable Ox locker. Other than the steering feeling a little heavier, the front locker does not cause turning radius issues anywhere close to what the rear locker does when it's engaged. We'll see if this response stays on the thread.
Having owned one for a month now and experienced back pain for the past 20 years l disagree with the footwell comment being a deal breaker. I have had no pain after driving the Ineos for long periods. Im 6 foot and enjoy the well supported Recaro seats. Im more than happy with my purchase.
Ineos sales surely increased after this review. Lump stocks are now in free fall. Great to see a passionate review and having fun in a new and unique vehicle!
Andrew, as a seating professional for 33 years, I picked up that fatal flaw immediately when I had the chance to sit in one. You can not achieve postural neutral alignment, and the fact you were in agony on your drive home was entirely predictable. In comparison, I just drove back to back 14 hour days driving home from Baja to Colorado in my Gladiator and was very comfortable.
Unfortunately the gladiator here in Australia suffers the exact same problem. took one for a very short drive and if hot for the hump in the driver's footwear I'd have driven away in one.
I took my grenadier to a vehicle outfitters here in NZ to have a roof tent fitted. He is almost exclusively involved with Toyotas (70 series Mainly) and he was absolutely floored with the Grenadier. He was really impressed how adaptable it was and how much thought had gone into it. He does this for a living so he k own what he's talking about. He's interested in doing so e aftermarket options for the Grenadier ...so I think this car is really going to take off.
Andrew, your insightful comments about the Grenadier and its pros and cons go far beyond the droning monotony of most reviews. You are a brand unto yourself, and I so appreciate being able to trust your 40 years' experience with every offroad vehicle imaginable, but above all, being able to trust your integrity. Thank you sir for sticking to it all these years! You make me sincerely interested in owning a Grenadier one day and finally leaving behind the eternal headache of old Land Rover ownership (new LR is a joke for those of us who do genuine bush work in Africa).
I enjoyed this review Andrew and TBH, I was not expecting to! I have a Grenadier, having come from 30 years of old-style Defenders. I absolutely love my 2-seat Utility Wagon here in the UK. It's by far the best 4x4 vehicle I have ever owned, solid, powerful, safe and superb off-road. I have fitted the additional CTEK 250SE to give solar input and am adding drawers, fridge and accessories to build an overland vehicle for a big adventure next year. I am 6'2" and genuinely have no problem with the foot "lump", even over long drives, but it can be addressed to a certain extent if required. Thanks for an in-depth look at my most favourite car ever! Get one mate - you will indeed have fun with it!
Yes - I don't even notice it but some people have cut out a layer of the floor covering to lower the height. It's all completely unnecessary. Hell, my right elbow put up with no room for over 30 years in Defenders. @@thybigballs
Its a testament to you that Ive been waiting and looking forward to this review for months, as i'm not even a 4 wheeler nor in the market for one. Great review, genuinely appreciate your opinion, as its based on independant thought and findings, a rare thing these days with vehicle reviews I find. All the best from N.Ireland. 👍
Thank you for this. Your enthusiasm for the vehicle really shone through. I took delivery of mine a month ago and I am really happy with it. On the issues you found with it, the steering for me is not an issue, beyond the fact that it has a pretty large turning circle. I have always been in the habit of steering back to centre rather than letting the steering centre itself, so that is probably why I don't have an issue with it. I'm not bothered by the lump in the footwell either. FWIW I am 184 cm tall and have large feet, but I found that if I move the seat all the way back and adjust the steering wheel and seatback to suit it is fine just as it is. I had a longish run the other day, about 7 hours total, and no issue with it. Obviously it bothers some though, because it keeps coming up. I think that it is a brilliant vehicle for offroad, and pretty good on road as well. I greatly prefer it over any 70 series or old Defender I've ever driven. It has obviously had a lot of really good thinking go into it. I weighed it up against a 300 series, and like you I just found it more interesting.
i have a grenadier and I have put spacers under the seat, it changes the angle and alloweds me to have my left foot flat on the floor., or on the rest. it also looks like you can make the rest a lot narrower. still yet to play with that option. I think without the spacers i would have retested together car. but after 4000miles i’m actually fine with (it. it also stops my knees knocking on the dash ) IIm 6ft 1 tall and have my seat fully back.
Wow, you must be young and agile, almost a mountain climber to get off the ground into a jacked up seat. The standard one is very high off the ground and I can imagine seat outer side bolsters wearing rapidly on these vehicles, especially if the driver is a bit portly.
I've got an old HZJ79 and a late model Sahara. I've spent a year or more prepping the better half for the possibility of getting the (somewhat) perfect combination of the two in the form of the Grenadier and selling the Toyota's. You killed the dream in under 53 minutes (of wonderful commentary btw) and all I can say is thank you sir. I'm gutted to think we were this close to a magic 4WD save for a big lump in the footwell. Keep up the passionate and unbiased content.
Andrew, a great review in the Grenadier and all the functional points you point out. A very interesting vehicle that looks so good however- I could not be 100% confident with the BMW drivetrain in remote parts of Oz - personally I’d be anxious. Great to see ‘the German’ driving a great vehicle at last! ✅✅
But we continued to trust Toyota with the engine and airbox issues they had at the start of the 200's reign? Yes, I'm one of the people that still think it is a great 4wd for remote areas.
@@andypearce7479 - my 200 has just taken me 24 months from showroom floor to complete as a HD tourer and luckily the mods I made are very practical and safe to give longevity and reliability. Donaldson airbox was on as soon as it was released and to date the vehicle has been on beach once for a full day to do some trials on suspension and winch and shows 22k on the clock as we plan on the remote exploration! Im confident that it will be totally reliable as long as well maintained.
I've been following you for years now, and seeing passionately objectively hate and critisise other off-roaders has become the norm I expect of Mr.White. Now seeing complementing this with passion is such a refreshing thing to see! Now I want a INEOS GRENEDIER!
Fantastic episode Andrew. Also completely consistent findings with others that have got their hands on the RHD Grenadier. THAT BLOODY LUMP! As also an old coot (64) I’m in the group that can afford these but wouldn’t buy one.
I tuned into this to watch Andrew’s honest review but have to say well done on that side by side videography on the sand dunes. Fantastic editing and sync, loved that.
Great review as always. I have configured one for the last 5 months. I finally test-drove it. The quality and build are excellent. What really turned me off after my test drive was the fact that the steering wheel did not center. I am so used to my Toyota Landcruiser and this was not what I expected I am not sure if I can get used to it. I was willing to pay 110K US for it as it is configured with lots of options...maybe their next generation ...
I absolutely throughly enjoyed watching your review on this car.. your passion for 4wheel drive vehicles is inspiring.. you are brutally honest of that lump by the left foot got me thinking about other 4x4 vehicles as well in real world use case.. just Brilliant .. much thanks
Hi Andrew, it’s a honest and fantastic review. I am sure that annoying lump can be removed and a custom made ergonomic foot rest could be fitted. It’s not a deal breaker. 😀
The panel design and layout is brilliant, including the overhead. It's all about muscle memory, and reducing the confusion of small, closely spaced, physical buttons and switches. We do the same thing in aviation. Once I am familiar and experienced with the layout, I don't even need to look when reaching for controls. And it make the 9 year old in me giggle.
What a wonderful honest true review sir. You rely created an true overview with an beautiful emotional heart for 4x4 cars and your years of experience, I look forward to arrange testing drives here in Finland and experience how i am dealing with the lump and other aspects mentioned. Thank you sir and look forward following your other reviews. Kind healthy regards from a Dutch 4x4 enthusiast living in Finland .
In my opinion, this was an EXTREMELY well considered and fair review - It covers all the most important considerations for a potential buyer. Thanks Andrew and also thanks to the kind viewer who lent you their vehicle for you to review... WELL DONE !
Was waiting for this video especially after seeing Aussie Arvos video on it and I'm glad you were quite honest on it. I think it's a cool vehicle and is certainly very capable straight out of the factory. It's a shame about the footwell with the massive lump. Good video as always mate.
A good number of reviews of this and most cars are done by journos wanting to be invited back. I'm pleased to say, not only am I not invited back, I have to ask fans for vehicle loans to do a review. In my mind, I'm doing something right.
@@overland-workshop Totally agree with where you stand and appreciate that you take the path to deliver honest reviews instead of becoming advertising material for the manufacturers. Glad for you that you have an audience that will lend you their car for you to create this content. Cheers for responding to my comment.
When I saw Aussie Arvos video yesterday I said ineos are very smart for inviting Aussie for test drive but not ASPW because they knew the young boys (with all my respect to their 4WD experience) they will be very excited just to drive and taste the new car rather than finding the pros and cons.
I would definitely consider this over a LC300! my problem is how bushproof it will be and getting parts seeing they are only In Melbourne atm. We will see with time
Was sceptical when I saw this first... but good review Andrew. I own one and have towed heavy for about 5000klm now and come from 80 and 100 series and you could say a Toyo fanboy. At first steering was different but now others feel 'different'. Footwell, well, I think I notice it because of all the noticing if you get my drift. Would I prefer it not there? Absolutely. Fortunately I can live with it and have driven for hours on end with no issue, matter of fact I don't think about it - unless I think about it, but as you say one likely needs to substantially test drive to see how you fit. Small tank is the main issue for me otherwise a great machine indeed.
Wanting an Ineos since first seeing 1 year prior...private car show. Have LAND ROVER LR4...15 years old. Will be keeping it. But waiting a few years for Ineos to work on "bad" things...your review highly enlightening. Absolutely in love with it in general. Loved your review.
I think there will be an update or at least modifications to the 'lump' and the rear door setup. Great review. I would put this up there with one of your best.
I test drove One today, ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT! put down my 2500 deposit there and then. so so solid. the steering has no return to centre but apart from that, Flawless 🎉
Amazingly good review. I was hesitant to watch because I’ve been put off by Andrew’s commentary to date, but, this was good, fair, and engaged. Also, he spotted the rear door handle thing which puzzled me, too. I’m probably still buying one (US market), but that lump is dumb. In my off-road test drives, the side hill performance was inspiring. Coming from a modified Toyota Tundra, the grenadier feels glued to the ground and rigid, and certainly inspires more confidence. I think if i put 33s on it I might not modify it any other way for my uses, so it’ll end up cheaper for me. Last, the vertical roof rails from the back are great if you want to slide a sheet of plywood onto the roof from the back.
Likewise. He does a great job, but it's been hard to watch as I am constantly feeling like every 'issue' with a vehicle is a personal attack on him as a person. That being said, this is a great review Andrew and I appreciate you putting together such an honest opinion on the Ineos!
Good review. Makes sense for left-hand drive markets. Aside from the footwell and steering issues, the other problem for some is that you cannot lock the individual axle locks in high-range, only in low-range.
I'd love one of these, like now, but sadly they are just too expensive for my pocket. By the way, I like the 'lump'. It's a great foot rest for your left foot for right hand drivers, given it's an automatic. But I think it comes down to a personal choice ultimately.
I'd probably buy a Tesla before I'd buy a Grenadier, but TFL is getting a Grenadier and from their review of the Defender 90 a few years ago it killed my want of the 90!!
This is simply the best off-roader review/docu channel I have ever seen.... Wonderfully done
2 grenadier reviews within one hour. one puff piece from 4x4 mag and then Andrews review.My god Andrew blew it out of the water.
Yes I already saw 3 of those reviews and steering is a let down, I am so disappointed, let's face it, steering is what makes or break a car.
The only thing going for Andrew is the sheer volume of his farts around the campsite....particularly as he is not on the large size.....
Independent motoring media wins again. Well done, ASPW.
I would take any motor review with a pinch of salt, but ASPW is as close to independent media as you’re gonna see. Keep it up fella!
Excellent review as always by ASPW, I would like to add an issue with the model year 2024 in the USA. Called the ADAS System, commonly known as the (nanny system) the overspeed limit , that is so annoying because it has a chimney sound every time you pass the speed limit by 5% , it can be turn off but ( turn's on every engine cycle again). If you take the Fuse out you get a Christmas tree light on the cluster.. In many Internet Forums that is the most despicable function the software has. The test and demo vehicles did not have this system, I was told it is a new European law that require it in every 2024 model
the rest of the Car feels and drives as you describe and feels tough.
@4xoverland
Hi Andrew, interesting to hear your opinion on the Grenadier. You might be interested in this 👉We're actually on a 5-year trip in a Grenadier across the world right now towing a Patriot X3, which we live in. We set off from London in mid-July 2023 with our two young kids and we’re approaching 50000km. At least 70% of our journey has been off-road... heading to Mongolia and Africa soon.
This car will be selling like hot cakes in North America based on this review.... you'd be a fool not to buy it if you were in the market for this type of car. Ineos should be really grateful for this review...the best I've seen.
Car marketers only register the bad parts of any review. They are blinded by them so that none of the positives ever get past.
solid axle's a true off road wagon o r S.U.V. G wagon for us regular guys
@@youtubecarspottersguide1 Still too expensive and too fancy.
@@kg0173 yes ,me I just want a 4x4 wagon or suv to go off road and camp out of the back
@@overland-workshop The lump in the footwell on right hand drive, does this apply to left hand drives? If not, maybe all left hand drive nations will overcome your back problem. If so, maybe huge potential in the US.
This is an absolutely brilliant review. Tells me everything I need to know, by someone who knows what they're talking about. Of all the many reviews on the Grenadier, this is the only one I've seen that's worth watching. It shows the vehicle being used in the way it's designed to be used, in the hands of an experienced off road driver, and that's exactly what I want to see. The other reviews I've seen only showed it driven on tarmac, and only covered the things that are largely irrelevant. This one however, is perfect. I can make a buying decision based on this. Thank you so much for covering the Grenadier properly. It's fantastic.
@@matthewgodwin3050 also highly recommend Ronny Dahl's! Very great review as well
David Attenborough of the Aussie 4x4 world is convincing a Landcruiser guy of wanting to buy a Ineos Grenadier! Best car review I think I've seen.
That’s exactly what I kept thinking through the whole thing. I was expecting to see David Attenborough climb out of that rig. Lol
I am a Landcruiser guy as well, and seriously considering losing my 80 for one of these. My 40 will be pried from my cold dead hands. :D
@@KBrogger same, my 40 is here to stay.
I wonder if the automatic has a manual mode in low range like the Disco series 2 question mark because that manual mode in the Disco allowing you to take off from a dead stop in second third or fourth is a huge game changer off-road in certain conditions compared to just driving around in drive low range or first low range. I've had scenarios where I take off from a stop in 3rd gear low while other people are getting stuck taken off and drive which is first gear we're going too slow up a hill where is second gear low is perfect
I'd love to watch it on a real tough 4 by 4 Trail to actually get it articulated against a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon or a Bronco Badlands and watch it suffer miserably hahaha
As someone who gets hip and back pain unless I'm sitting perfectly straight in a vehicle, there's no way I could live with that lump in the floor either. I currently drive and old Isuzu Trooper with captain's chairs and it has one of the best seating positions I've ever experienced in a 4x4, it's one of the main reasons I've kept the vehicle for so long.
The only review of the Grenadier we have all be waiting for
Great review Andrew. I've had mine for a month. I'm 185cm tall and in my early 60’s. I push my seat back and Jack it up so I have an upright seating position using the foot rest rather than trying to work around it. So far I've been comfortable. I had a similar issue with the parking sensor. The dealer adjusted the position of the sensor in the bumper. It wasn't a software issue in my case. I don't regret my decision. The cars not perfect by any stretch but it's got a lot of good points and a bucket full of character. A compressor fits next to the axillary battery and a dc to dc charger also fits under the back seat connected to an Anderson plug next to the tow hitch so I can connect a solar panel.
Good review Andrew. Pity you couldn't get used to the footwell. Just a note: those are not the rock sliders. That's the sidesteps. The rock sliders are much higher and tucked in under the car. Nato plug is for a rear winch you can get as an option. Rear bash plate protects the exhaust muffler which we've measured can be replaced with about a 50L fuel tank. Great comments from Heiner too. I did exactly that: added a Lithium with a red arc charger.
I assume you have a left-hand-drive version; does that one have that lump in the footwell too? Based on what Andrew was saying, I was thinking it didn't.
No Right hand drive. Australia. But I understand the lefthand drive does not have the same foot well ramp
@@gerritvr4 My bad, I thought you were Dutch, but hey, maybe you are, just living in Oz!
I think that second battery has been set up as an auxiliary battery rather than a ”house” battery and is mostly intended to help with additional loads like winching, compressing, lighting and starting. However, in cases that don’t need that but do want house or camp power, what you have done is a brilliant idea and maybe one they could offer as an option.
Great comments. Surprised ASPW didn’t pick up himself.
Hello Andrew, I test drove a Grenadier a few months ago and came to exactly the same conclusion. I could live with the steering but not the foot rest and I do not consider myself as old. Also the one I tested have drive train vibration issues. I have decided to wait until the second version is released hoping the lump is gone and reliability reports around the software improves. Thank you for the balanced review.
I love how a subscriber stepped up and made INEOS look a bit silly! Good work, Andrew....... and the public wins again!
Can you elaborare?
Thank you! Glad you liked it. Was a privilege to be part of them for almost 3 years - and mostly glad you liked the toggle switches and push buttons (definetly not from j-tech or similar 😉). Thank you colleagues and suppliers who read this - BR Manuel 💪👍
Hey how is it getting serviced and parts?
Thank you for your tough and honest review.
Love all your stuff but always balanced with my own sense and sensibility.
This was fabulous.
Let me just say: this is possibly the best auto review I've ever seen.
It's thorough, honest, and it's clear you put a lot of effort into testing it properly.
I still plan on getting one, since I live in an LHD country.
HI Andrew, the 2 lower 16mm treaded holes in the bottom of the hitch receiver are for our European approved hitches.
I pointed out this footwell lump as a deal breaker in a video on my much smaller Spanish channel during the prototype car presentation 2 years ago, luckily in Europe 🇪🇺 it's not a problem for drivers, but even so, it's uncomfortable for passengers too! although they've made it smaller. It must be hard to sort, otherwise they would've fixed it by now. Really great review Andrew. 👍You are the most knowledgeable 4x4 reviewer. 🤩 Easy4x4
As a RHD driver on 12k miles, I can confirm it doesn't even register to me anymore. Non issue personally
The lump is greatly exaggerated in the washout flooring version, on the carpet version it's much smaller. Look on line, jerry flint grenadier footwell, and you will see a picture of the RHD washout flooring removed and notice the lump doesn't extend much higher than the break. Can't be to hard to refabricate the washout flooring for the RHD and there should be no issue placing it up against the lump itself as that's how it's done in the carpet version.
@@terrytees Yes but that's the thing, you might not want to buy a brand new car and start hacking into it like it was a lucky auction.
The lump doesn't exist on the US/left hand models seems to be only an issue on the right hand drive models.
Great review. You echoed everything positive I feel about my vehicle… with the exception of the “lump in the footwell”. I’m coming from a 200 series and what you felt in the Grenadier after hours of driving, I constantly felt in my 200- immense discomfort!
Strangely enough, mine was because I didn’t really have anywhere to put my left foot- I simply couldn’t get comfortable with it moving around and nothing to stabilise it. It basically dangled. In my Grenadier that “lump” is my stability- it helps keep my leg in one place and because of that I’m able to drive it for hours on end. I have had no lower back or leg pain. In my cruiser I had to stop and stretch every few hours.
I’m at circa 8000km in my Grenadier now and about 80% of that off-road.
Regarding the steering- the only complaint or challenge I have is the turning circle. It’s like an 18 wheeler truck! However, regarding the steering “play”… I’ve come to appreciate it when driving on the rocky surfaces we get here in Kenya. I drove hundreds of kilometres from Serengeti to Ngorongoro and then Lake Natron which is basically sand and volcanic rock. That steering gave me the confidence to keep going at a reasonably fast pace.
Having said that, I’ve been waiting for your review, and thoroughly enjoyed it.
@kenyaGrenadier you are the first one to drive Grenadier in Tanzania 🇹🇿
I think the footwell “lump” was an itch ASPW couldn’t help scratching. It’s a non-issue. It’s a high seating position and both your knees are pretty close to a 90 degree angle. I only have toes on the footrest until I want more bracing so I don’t even notice it until I use it and appreciate it.
Self-centring steering isn’t an attribute it was originally designed in when cars didn’t have power assistance and needed lots of turns lock to lock so quickly unwinding that was nice. I learned to drive in a ‘61 Buick with about 6 turns lock to lock and steering that meant twirling the wheel with an open palm then applying enough friction to smoothly centre again. It was, in no respect, good steering. I have an RX-8 with universally acclaimed great steering and it doesn’t self centre. You have to steer it back because that’s what drivers want in such a car.
Both these issues are only “deal breakers” in the same way that, say, lack of a makeup mirror probably is to someone.
It's important to note that the footwell issue is ONLY on the right hand drive models. US/etc have normal footrests
I had almost months two driven the Grenadier - Trial Master LHD Petrol (Middle east - GCC) here are notes:
-I can confirm I have no issues with feet space (LHD)
-I opted the rocksliders, which looks great with huge clearance, great for sand dunes and protections in mountain area with huge rocks, but not enough space to put your feet on the rockslider so added a step side on it (which I have to fabricate)
-On highway, when you cruise control you want to back off and rest your foot it touches the lever seat.
-On the Trial Master with KO2 , the speed is incorrect by 4-5 Kmph slow which is approximately 4% correction should be added.
-Fuel range is 560 (with the 4% correction) normal driving City/Highway combined.
- The Radius turning too wide with KO2 , I have not tried the Bridgestone tires could be better.
-Aftermarket wheels choices are limited because its wheels pattern 6x130 though made hubcentric wheels adapters to work with 6x139.7 wheels after market with in consideration of the offset +55 (wheels adapter about 32+ with wheels offset +20 ) total +52 close enough with different tire will work.
We are still learning, I have not got all the Grenadier accessories yet, waiting them to arrive. I ticked all the accessories I can can get except the Bulbar and side bars.
The different showm speed from the actual one is a requirement for homologation, there is a specific speed that must be displayed, higher than the real one
Can I borrow a couple hundred grand off you, mate? I’m good for it, honest.
Thank you for the heads up, I am still on the fence either to wait for my Land Cruiser 76 or should I call it off and get a Grenadier
Just started the episode that I have been desperately waiting for! About time Andrew and thank you.
Aaahhh! Basking in the warm suds of an honest, independent, tell it like it is review... Good job Mr White! Hopefully this makes other vehicle brands realise the value of your reviews. No puff pieces, no smoke up bums, just good feedback on what works and what doesn't. Merry Christmas and a prosperous 2024 to you and yours!
Absolutely loved the honest and in depth review. ASPW - lays it out the way it is!
I really enjoyed the review - the good and the bad. I finally took one for a test drive this weekend, and got the chance to see for myself what the vehicle is really like. And I think Andrew is right - it‘s absolutely brilliant. Solidly built, with thought about what a true 4x4 / overlanding enthusiast is looking for. The steering wasn’t a problem for me having grown up driving tractors and old Land Rovers. And the lump in the floor is not nearly as bad as Andrew makes out - for me at least. I‘m 6‘2“ (186cm) and didn‘t have a problem with it, driving on and off road all day in the Grenadier. In fact, I didn‘t really notice it. I really like the build quality, the thoughtful design features, the load space / carrying / towing specs. It‘s certainly pricey, but it feels like you‘re getting quality for your money. So much so, I‘ve pressed the order button yesterday. It should arrive in January (subject to recently announced supply-chain delays). Thanks again Andrew for a great review. And I hope you have another think about getting one - it‘d be great to see you build one out, and make use of all those pre-wired buttons for your overlanding equipment…
Andrew, appreciate your view but let me add this from an owner with 3k+ km on the clock - I was really worried about the foot bump before delivery, but what I’ve come to realise is that the footrest puts your feet level and your back straight between resting left foot and right root off pedals on cruise control. I’m 6’4” and I was really worried that I’d made a mistake on my order when I first sat in the car. But after lots of driving I find it much better than the asymmetric foot positions of a Disco 4 or 5 that we had before the Grenadier.
How comfortable is it on the road as a daily driver?
How thirsty is it?
@@NordheideI’m very happy with it on road. It took maybe 2 days to get used to the steering but now I prefer it to the Disco 5
@@LB-Wcan’t give you an exact figure as I’m away at the moment but from memory about 10L/100km, with about 50/50 urban/country driving
The in depth dialogue and great video editing bring me joy watching , best reviews I've seen , great job 👍 , If National Geographic starts a car show , we have your man !
I've nearly done 10000km in my grenadier at the moment and I don't notice the lump any more and I'm 6'3". also you get used to the steering. as a 70 series owner it's like chalk and cheese. both are equally capable off road, but the grenny is so much better on the road. other than the electrical gremlins, I haven't had many issues. very impressed for the first vehicle from ineos in terms of quality and workmanship.
with regards to fuel, I agree. I flog it everywhere because it is real quick on road, and so the furthest I have gotten out of a tank is about 500 with about 7L left in the 90L tank when I filled up. fuel economy is therefore similar to my 79, around 16L/100km. with regards to jerry cans, black sheep do a metal bracket which goes over the rear boot window (like heiner's 76) and you can get those rotopax jerry cans to fit on that. I'm hoping they provide aftermarket side windows for the boot that are 100% glass (like the ARB ascent dual cab windows) unlike the ones you can get from explore glazing. I put a piece of thick clear tape over the bit of metal next to the steps to prevent scratches.
Exactly the same feeling. 6’3 and the lump isn’t an issue. Also own a 79 and I use the Grenadier as my daily now.
Have a JKU wrangler, the transmission tunnel gets in the way. After a week you don’t notice it and id forgotten about it till I saw this post. Not a deal breaker, humans adapt quickly.
To me the number one purpose of cars like this is to provide enjoyment to the owners. So whichever you like (Grenadier, Toyota, Nissan, etc) go for it and enjoy your weekends.
Excellent review. Thanks for taking the time and calling in the loan favours to get the vehicle. I am actually impressed with the vehicle and as has been said elsewhere Grenadier series 2 will be just awesome.
I have waited so long for this! Excellent insight Andrew, Ineos cannot ignore the facts I am sure of it. They have an opportunity to set themselves apart from the other manufacturers here.
Great review Andrew. The Grenadier looks like it will be a strong 4x4 I say good luck to it. I'm sure Ineos will address the few shortcomings in later model years. I'm personally going to stick with my L663 Defender 110. The more I've learned about it the more I feel it actually is a solid 4x4 with the right tools, i.e. having the GAP tool (for the electronics).
This is the review everyone has been waiting for,I don't know why you,the most famous offroader in the world was not part of the development team
I tested a grenadier for a week as a possible farm truck replacement to my l332 tdv8 in Ireland but I had the same issues with the lump in the floor and the steering was atrocious. Potting around on the farm it was ok but on the narrow, windy country roads around here the steering box is to slow and it almost got me in trouble a couple times so I'll be sticking with the range rover for now
You must be getting a hell of an EU subsidy cheque
@@sarahann530honestly dont know what you mean by that? Because he thought about a grenadier? 80.000euros for a reliable car over 350.000km isnt that much for somebody getting use out of it everyday.
Absolutely brilliant review, I almost ordered one and your steering comments confirmed my suspicions as an engineer that there is not enough castor on the steering and the second thing was the look of a collapsed front suspension. Otherwise a brilliant machine, well done to the design teams.
As a retired Panel Beater , used to help mechanics between jobs i was thinking Castor, Camber Angles
Those rails in the doors would be great for temporary things like a fold up table or cook stove etc.
body armor/body protection
Was this thinking a shotgun for the zombie apocalypse 😂
As a Land Rover driver I couldn’t think of a better vehicle to transition too next.
After testing a few in SA and Botswana, for me it felt like it retained the character and the things I love about the Defender, but it felt like it was built like a Mercedes.
I personally think it’s probably the best stock 4x4 you can buy right now.
😂😂😂
Here in the states, the new 2024 Lexus GSX 550 is the one I'm most looking forward to.
@@mojavedesertsonorandesert9531 I live the gx 550 concept but the engine issues going around right now are tempering my enthusiasm for it. Once they iron out those issues and Inios sorts out their first edition foibles it will be a very hard decision to make between them.
Great video. Glad I'm in a LHD market. In my extended test drive I found the steering easy to get used, though of course I wish it was better.
A truly honest review. Thank you. I’d love to own one but out of my price range. Jeep JK does really good for me.
Thank you. Let's give it 3-5 years and see how the product is performing.
Amazing review!! I love honest reviews like this. There are too many youtubers who care nothing more than keep getting a car to review for free.
Hi Andrew, I was playing with the Grenadier configurator and it appears that the one you tested is fitter with side runners as opposed to rock sliders. The rock slider variant sits up higher and closer to the bottom of the door so is in line with your suggestions. Great review and glad to read your opinion on it, I trust you over any motoring journalist.
What a wonderful and thorough review. In fact, it’s the most illuminating and thorough review if seen yet. Thank you, Andrew.
Absolutely like what you said towards the end. No doubt the Land Cruiser is great but to me the Grenadier just seems like it's going to be a more fun and interesting vehicle. I feel that way too.
This review is simply so very much better and more thorough than any other review of a proper 4x4 that I have seen. Congratulations, you have made a review that is in a league of its own.
Great and honest review! I also had the pleasure of testing the Grenadier for 3 hours offroad, although it was the LHD-version and this doesn´t have the lump in the footwell! I´m 6 ft 1 and my seating position was absolutley spot on and comfortable.....a huge difference to my daily driven Defender :-) I also noticed the slow steering and the instructor told me that this was part of the ladder frame deal and it is supposedly some sort of Jeep design. Not sure if this is true tbh. The overall impression I got was very good, but it´s a heavy and pricy vehicle.
I'm landrover through and through, owned them since 95.
I was told if you want to go across the desert, take a landrover....if you want to go across the desert and come home, take a Toyota......then I sat in a Grenadier and I felt it completely changed the rule book....everything was thoroughly thought out for the driver's needs.
Brilliant Andrew. Thoroughly enjoyed this "warts & all" review and for what it's worth, the absolute show stopper as you clearly pointed out with the lump in the driver's footwell, was the sole reason I didn't purchase this vehicle 10 months ago when test driven. A big shame and I hope they find a design solution to solving this in the next updated model. Cheers!
Excellent review. I've just bought one, having owned all the LR products and most pickups. The LHD footrest doesn't bother me at all (I'm 6'2" with size 12s) Even knowing about the 'issue' before I bought, I've just never noticed it in use. And the steering makes the vehicle remarkably placeable off road, you get used to it in a day. Then you start to appreciate it's strengths: it is supremely precise making the vehicle extraordinarily precise. At speed through bends, the steering is great too; I find it is worst at high speed on narrow, rough roads where the centre vagueness lets it down. But you get such an important thing right - this is a vehicle that makes you smile every time you drive it - a memorable, characterful, remarkable car, so rare today.
How's is it getting serviced and or parts?
An honest review considering your initial thoughts.
I wouldn't swap my 76 for one.
Thanks for sharing
I'm glad you & Ronny Dahl have got your hands on these. You guys out in Aussie land are the definitive opinions on off-road.
Good to get an honest opinion from a genuine serious 4x4 user. I'm glad you mentioned the lump in the foot well, I found it bloody frustrating on a test drive earlier this year, but thought I was being fussy. I drove it wearing trainers, but I bet wearing boots it would be a nightmare. Other than that it is awesome, the LHD drive world are lucky!!
What is the lump in the floor for?
As an industrial designer, I have to say hearing your feedback on the form of the vehicles sounds like a true Designer. Your insights make complete sense and are clearly coming from someone who has a lot of experience around vehicles. If I were a vehicle company I’d pay you a truck load of cash to sit on some design critiques
Great review, your experience ring true when reviewing this type vehicle. I won’t consider buying one until they resolve some of the issues you raised. Keep up the honest reviews, we trust your opinion.
Thank you for a great review, you've done it again! I'm grinning like a hyena at a giraffe carcass! You've touched n my favourite 4x4's of all time and hit the nail on the head. Gwagen, Defender and 70 series in one magnificent machine. Beautifully executed piece.
Thoroughly enjoyed your review of the Grenadier, I test drive one in Ireland a few weeks ago and although I preferred everything else about the Ineos I’m leaning towards a Defender because of the lump in the footwell
HOLEY COW!! You brought back such fond memories driving that old Range Rover! My grandad used to take us to the Tugela River in KZN for holidays and that old beast would take us everywhere, great vid!
You described a cow full of holes 😂
I enjoyed the splitscreen shots with the dune driving. It was tastefully done.
Thank you Andrew! Definitely the best review of this car so far! I love the amount of attention you give to details, both on the vehicle itself as to the quality of the finished video. Great job!
You nailed it with "it's a luxury 4x4 with utility underpinning", it's simply too expensive, the entry level G-Class is in the same ballpark.
Where I am from (EU), the G wagon is twice the price of the Ineos.
I came for Granadier and met such a likeable mate! Thank you for both and also my sincere greetings to you, down under.
Phenomenal review, as expected. I also decided not to purchase the Grenadier because of that lump - at 6’3” my left leg wouldn’t get comfortable. Excellent looking vehicle and no doubt excellent engine & gearbox combo.
Interesting that your left leg needs a stretch but the right leg is ok without one
The right one has much more room.... @@wewemjinga
@MD-uu5nt if you press the accelerator right to the bottom otherwise you don't.
Beautiful cinematography as well (not that I'm surprised). That blue Grenadier with white roof in white sand under a blue sky... very nice.
Regarding the locker activation sequence, I often use my front locker only to maneuver around tight spots with the rear locker turned off to keep the turning radius very tight. Surely manufacturers could design a system that would allow the front locker to be on and the rear locker off at speeds under say 15 mph for safety.
A front locker destroys your turning radius.
@@k2svpete Well apparently somebody on this channel did not like my response because it got deleted....hmmm, wonder why? The rear locker is what causes the vehicle to push to the most. My front locker is a Lock-Rite style so when the hubs are engaged, the locker is working. My rear is a selectable Ox locker. Other than the steering feeling a little heavier, the front locker does not cause turning radius issues anywhere close to what the rear locker does when it's engaged. We'll see if this response stays on the thread.
@georgecarousos6735 you go with that belief, both have an influence but to think the rear affects steering more is astonishing.
Terrific review! I’m new to your channel and, after watching a dozen others, find this the most comprehensive and entertaining. Well done!
Having owned one for a month now and experienced back pain for the past 20 years l disagree with the footwell comment being a deal breaker. I have had no pain after driving the Ineos for long periods. Im 6 foot and enjoy the well supported Recaro seats. Im more than happy with my purchase.
Ineos sales surely increased after this review. Lump stocks are now in free fall. Great to see a passionate review and having fun in a new and unique vehicle!
Andrew, as a seating professional for 33 years, I picked up that fatal flaw immediately when I had the chance to sit in one. You can not achieve postural neutral alignment, and the fact you were in agony on your drive home was entirely predictable. In comparison, I just drove back to back 14 hour days driving home from Baja to Colorado in my Gladiator and was very comfortable.
Unfortunately the gladiator here in Australia suffers the exact same problem. took one for a very short drive and if hot for the hump in the driver's footwear I'd have driven away in one.
@danielbennett4433 that is interesting and disappointing to hear. There are no such humps on the left hand drive models.
I took my grenadier to a vehicle outfitters here in NZ to have a roof tent fitted. He is almost exclusively involved with Toyotas (70 series Mainly) and he was absolutely floored with the Grenadier. He was really impressed how adaptable it was and how much thought had gone into it. He does this for a living so he k own what he's talking about. He's interested in doing so e aftermarket options for the Grenadier ...so I think this car is really going to take off.
Andrew, your insightful comments about the Grenadier and its pros and cons go far beyond the droning monotony of most reviews. You are a brand unto yourself, and I so appreciate being able to trust your 40 years' experience with every offroad vehicle imaginable, but above all, being able to trust your integrity. Thank you sir for sticking to it all these years!
You make me sincerely interested in owning a Grenadier one day and finally leaving behind the eternal headache of old Land Rover ownership (new LR is a joke for those of us who do genuine bush work in Africa).
Noticed a few of these getting around SE Queensland lately, nice bit of kit. Great review and video bloke
I enjoyed this review Andrew and TBH, I was not expecting to! I have a Grenadier, having come from 30 years of old-style Defenders. I absolutely love my 2-seat Utility Wagon here in the UK. It's by far the best 4x4 vehicle I have ever owned, solid, powerful, safe and superb off-road. I have fitted the additional CTEK 250SE to give solar input and am adding drawers, fridge and accessories to build an overland vehicle for a big adventure next year. I am 6'2" and genuinely have no problem with the foot "lump", even over long drives, but it can be addressed to a certain extent if required. Thanks for an in-depth look at my most favourite car ever! Get one mate - you will indeed have fun with it!
How could the floor pan hump be addressed? By cutting down the height somewhat?
Yes - I don't even notice it but some people have cut out a layer of the floor covering to lower the height. It's all completely unnecessary. Hell, my right elbow put up with no room for over 30 years in Defenders. @@thybigballs
Its a testament to you that Ive been waiting and looking forward to this review for months, as i'm not even a 4 wheeler nor in the market for one. Great review, genuinely appreciate your opinion, as its based on independant thought and findings, a rare thing these days with vehicle reviews I find. All the best from N.Ireland. 👍
Thank you for this. Your enthusiasm for the vehicle really shone through. I took delivery of mine a month ago and I am really happy with it.
On the issues you found with it, the steering for me is not an issue, beyond the fact that it has a pretty large turning circle. I have always been in the habit of steering back to centre rather than letting the steering centre itself, so that is probably why I don't have an issue with it.
I'm not bothered by the lump in the footwell either. FWIW I am 184 cm tall and have large feet, but I found that if I move the seat all the way back and adjust the steering wheel and seatback to suit it is fine just as it is. I had a longish run the other day, about 7 hours total, and no issue with it.
Obviously it bothers some though, because it keeps coming up.
I think that it is a brilliant vehicle for offroad, and pretty good on road as well. I greatly prefer it over any 70 series or old Defender I've ever driven. It has obviously had a lot of really good thinking go into it. I weighed it up against a 300 series, and like you I just found it more interesting.
i have a grenadier and I have put spacers under the seat, it changes the angle and alloweds me to have my left foot flat on the floor., or on the rest. it also looks like you can make the rest a lot narrower. still yet to play with that option. I think without the spacers i would have retested together car. but after 4000miles i’m actually fine with (it. it also stops my knees knocking on the dash ) IIm 6ft 1 tall and have my seat fully back.
Wow, you must be young and agile, almost a mountain climber to get off the ground into a jacked up seat. The standard one is very high off the ground and I can imagine seat outer side bolsters wearing rapidly on these vehicles, especially if the driver is a bit portly.
How thick are the spacers that you added? Was it relatively easy to do ? A friend is thinking of doing the same thing....
I've got an old HZJ79 and a late model Sahara. I've spent a year or more prepping the better half for the possibility of getting the (somewhat) perfect combination of the two in the form of the Grenadier and selling the Toyota's. You killed the dream in under 53 minutes (of wonderful commentary btw) and all I can say is thank you sir. I'm gutted to think we were this close to a magic 4WD save for a big lump in the footwell. Keep up the passionate and unbiased content.
Andrew, a great review in the Grenadier and all the functional points you point out. A very interesting vehicle that looks so good however- I could not be 100% confident with the BMW drivetrain in remote parts of Oz - personally I’d be anxious.
Great to see ‘the German’ driving a great vehicle at last!
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But we continued to trust Toyota with the engine and airbox issues they had at the start of the 200's reign? Yes, I'm one of the people that still think it is a great 4wd for remote areas.
@@andypearce7479 - my 200 has just taken me 24 months from showroom floor to complete as a HD tourer and luckily the mods I made are very practical and safe to give longevity and reliability. Donaldson airbox was on as soon as it was released and to date the vehicle has been on beach once for a full day to do some trials on suspension and winch and shows 22k on the clock as we plan on the remote exploration! Im confident that it will be totally reliable as long as well maintained.
I've been following you for years now, and seeing passionately objectively hate and critisise other off-roaders has become the norm I expect of Mr.White.
Now seeing complementing this with passion is such a refreshing thing to see! Now I want a INEOS GRENEDIER!
Fantastic episode Andrew. Also completely consistent findings with others that have got their hands on the RHD Grenadier. THAT BLOODY LUMP!
As also an old coot (64) I’m in the group that can afford these but wouldn’t buy one.
I tuned into this to watch Andrew’s honest review but have to say well done on that side by side videography on the sand dunes. Fantastic editing and sync, loved that.
Great review as always. I have configured one for the last 5 months. I finally test-drove it. The quality and build are excellent. What really turned me off after my test drive was the fact that the steering wheel did not center. I am so used to my Toyota Landcruiser and this was not what I expected I am not sure if I can get used to it. I was willing to pay 110K US for it as it is configured with lots of options...maybe their next generation ...
I absolutely throughly enjoyed watching your review on this car.. your passion for 4wheel drive vehicles is inspiring.. you are brutally honest of that lump by the left foot got me thinking about other 4x4 vehicles as well in real world use case.. just Brilliant .. much thanks
Hi Andrew, it’s a honest and fantastic review. I am sure that annoying lump can be removed and a custom made ergonomic foot rest could be fitted. It’s not a deal breaker. 😀
not as simple as it looks. they'd have to redesign the exhaust system.
@@overland-workshopI was wondering what the definitive answer was for the design of the lump in the foot well.
That's bloody annoying!
The panel design and layout is brilliant, including the overhead. It's all about muscle memory, and reducing the confusion of small, closely spaced, physical buttons and switches. We do the same thing in aviation. Once I am familiar and experienced with the layout, I don't even need to look when reaching for controls. And it make the 9 year old in me giggle.
The most well balanced review I’ve seen. Saw my first one the other day but didn’t get chance for a close look
What a wonderful honest true review sir. You rely created an true overview with an beautiful emotional heart for 4x4 cars and your years of experience, I look forward to arrange testing drives here in Finland and experience how i am dealing with the lump and other aspects mentioned. Thank you sir and look forward following your other reviews.
Kind healthy regards from a Dutch 4x4 enthusiast living in Finland .
Brilliant review and, as always, inspiring. About to test drive one soon. Love my classic Defender - don't even notice its shortcomings anymore 😂
In my opinion, this was an EXTREMELY well considered and fair review - It covers all the most important considerations for a potential buyer. Thanks Andrew and also thanks to the kind viewer who lent you their vehicle for you to review... WELL DONE !
Was waiting for this video especially after seeing Aussie Arvos video on it and I'm glad you were quite honest on it. I think it's a cool vehicle and is certainly very capable straight out of the factory. It's a shame about the footwell with the massive lump. Good video as always mate.
A good number of reviews of this and most cars are done by journos wanting to be invited back. I'm pleased to say, not only am I not invited back, I have to ask fans for vehicle loans to do a review. In my mind, I'm doing something right.
@@overland-workshop Totally agree with where you stand and appreciate that you take the path to deliver honest reviews instead of becoming advertising material for the manufacturers. Glad for you that you have an audience that will lend you their car for you to create this content. Cheers for responding to my comment.
aussie arvo brothers are so far behind of the price tag.
Good businesspeople and designers would seek out and welcome constructive comments, you'd think! @@overland-workshop
When I saw Aussie Arvos video yesterday I said ineos are very smart for inviting Aussie for test drive but not ASPW because they knew the young boys (with all my respect to their 4WD experience) they will be very excited just to drive and taste the new car rather than finding the pros and cons.
‼️The only review we were all waiting for‼️
I would definitely consider this over a LC300! my problem is how bushproof it will be and getting parts seeing they are only In Melbourne atm. We
will see with time
We have at least one Ineos dealership here in Perth.
Now this is a REAL review. As an auditor I know how much corporates hate reviews 😂
Was sceptical when I saw this first... but good review Andrew. I own one and have towed heavy for about 5000klm now and come from 80 and 100 series and you could say a Toyo fanboy. At first steering was different but now others feel 'different'. Footwell, well, I think I notice it because of all the noticing if you get my drift. Would I prefer it not there? Absolutely. Fortunately I can live with it and have driven for hours on end with no issue, matter of fact I don't think about it - unless I think about it, but as you say one likely needs to substantially test drive to see how you fit. Small tank is the main issue for me otherwise a great machine indeed.
Hi, do you have the petrol or diesel?
@@FrancoisBadenhorst Diesel - comes with heavier duty auto, two fuel filters, built in oil catch can - very nice indeed. LC100 up for sale shortly 😀
Wanting an Ineos since first seeing 1 year prior...private car show. Have LAND ROVER LR4...15 years old. Will be keeping it. But waiting a few years for Ineos to work on "bad" things...your review highly enlightening. Absolutely in love with it in general. Loved your review.
I think there will be an update or at least modifications to the 'lump' and the rear door setup. Great review. I would put this up there with one of your best.
Yes and it seems they could adjust the steering lock issue too.
I test drove One today, ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT! put down my 2500 deposit there and then. so so solid. the steering has no return to centre but apart from that, Flawless 🎉
Amazingly good review. I was hesitant to watch because I’ve been put off by Andrew’s commentary to date, but, this was good, fair, and engaged. Also, he spotted the rear door handle thing which puzzled me, too. I’m probably still buying one (US market), but that lump is dumb. In my off-road test drives, the side hill performance was inspiring. Coming from a modified Toyota Tundra, the grenadier feels glued to the ground and rigid, and certainly inspires more confidence. I think if i put 33s on it I might not modify it any other way for my uses, so it’ll end up cheaper for me. Last, the vertical roof rails from the back are great if you want to slide a sheet of plywood onto the roof from the back.
Likewise. He does a great job, but it's been hard to watch as I am constantly feeling like every 'issue' with a vehicle is a personal attack on him as a person. That being said, this is a great review Andrew and I appreciate you putting together such an honest opinion on the Ineos!
Good review. Makes sense for left-hand drive markets. Aside from the footwell and steering issues, the other problem for some is that you cannot lock the individual axle locks in high-range, only in low-range.
I'd love one of these, like now, but sadly they are just too expensive for my pocket. By the way, I like the 'lump'. It's a great foot rest for your left foot for right hand drivers, given it's an automatic. But I think it comes down to a personal choice ultimately.
its a foot rest, but hardly a great one. For me its far too high, too close to the seat and the wrong angle.
Brilliant review and honest. Thank you, ASPW. I Pick up a Sela Green version of this beast on Dec 30th. Can't wait. Thx again. North America.
I'd probably buy a Tesla before I'd buy a Grenadier, but TFL is getting a Grenadier and from their review of the Defender 90 a few years ago it killed my want of the 90!!
Tesla makes 4x4s ?
Cybertruck.
@@overland-workshopcan’t off road with it