Remember Torbin’s line when he said “We thought we were doing the right thing.” right before drinking the poison. Apparently they did SOMETHING terrible, we just don’t know what yet.
As we ventured into the outback to document the local wildlife we were lucky to spot, at only 6:54 minutes into our journey, the very rare and illusive Feral Kat.
I like how complicated things are in this episode. I look forward to getting May’s perspective in the future. We’re definitely not seeing the whole picture.
I'm guessing that once the fire started, both sides assumed the other was attacking and the Jedi didn't find out the truth until they'd killed everyone.
I gotta think the twins "creation" spun a "thread" thru the coven. When Mae and Osha broke the thread it unraveled, fatally ripping the coven. I don't think the Jedi understood how delicate the balance was within the coven, until it was far too late.
Well it depends your definition of taking children, the Jedi seems to require consent from both children and parents to take and adopt any child they take in. I assume that Sol was taking issue with the jedi being called kidnappers.
Indira followed the Jedi bureaucratic playbook. No Force training not Jedi sanctioned. But she didn't understand the subtle fragility of the coven. She followed procedure, learning too late the damage that would do.
I get the feeling this is similar to what we saw in TLJ. 1 to show the "Jedi" point of view. 1 for the "dark side". And 1 of the ACTUAL history. What you felt about the dathomiri It is actually somewhat intentional as when initially pitched The series was going to explore the history of Ventress. This does also seem to reinforce the perception that was played up by palpatine in a 130 years about jedi being a child snatching weirdo cult. And the idea that Osha and Mae seems to be a proto version of what Anakin turns out to be. As it is implied that mother Anasyia created the girls by "manipulating the midi-chlorians to create.....life"
So it would make sense if Darth Plagueis gets his knowledge on creating life from the force from the witches. Was wiping the witches out to get that knowledge and keep it secret a long term Sith plan? Did they point the Jedi to the witches to seed discord and ultimately destroy the witches. Because the thing that both witches & Jedi miss is that twins one witch and one Jedi could have helped create a balance. I assume that the Jedi disagree and instead of being happy with just taking Osha, maybe 2 or 3 of them want to take Mae as well. So they have a plan within a plan. They send Sol to get Osha but then plan to take Mae without his knowledge. It goes wrong and massacre ensues. Or does Sol know?
So Osha is the Son from Mortis except she gets the jedi to take her off the planet... I also think the best case scenario for the moral integrity of the jedi is that this goes down like Waco...I really think that this group of jedi were actively hunting this coven and I don't see Sol being exempt. I think his mushiness is probably his coping mechanism. I really think that Osha's going to kill him in a couple episodes but we'll see.
15:56 “From my point of view, the Jedi are evil” - Anakin We definitely don’t have the full story here. The witches definitely weren’t taken out by the fire. The Jedi did something. Sol was there already. As you said, Torbin has a scar from a fight. Mae didn’t look right either. Almost trance like. I wonder if she was being controlled by the Sith character we saw in ep1. Enjoyed your reaction.
You're welcome for the title guys. I really enjoyed the first 2 episodes and thought they got a lot of undue hate/criticism. Initially, I thought this episode deserved the criticism and I really didn't like it, but your discussion has given me pause. On the face of it, so much of the episode didn't make sense - how does a whole coven of witches die in a fire? I thought that was the explanation we were being given and it made no sense, but you're right, there definitely stuff we're not being told/shown yet. Also, if the planet wasn't a part of the Republic, why were the Jedi there? Were they just there to spy on the coven or did they have an actual legitimate, legal reason to be there initially? Also, what the deal with the 'creation' of the twins? Are they the Anakin before Anakin? So many questions... Thanks for helping me see the episode in a slightly more positive light.
Sol kind of feels a bit like a guilty party wouldn't you say? I think that might be the emotion he's channeling. Also, any Knight can take a person as a Padawan regardless of the Council's decisions. It's why even though the Council denied Anakin being trained Obi-Wan was able to say he would train Anakin. So Sol could train her even if more senior Jedi disapprove. This feels very Rashomon so I'm hoping we see more flashbacks from other people's point of view going forward.
I think we got osha first. I’m sure Mae will be next and final flashback will be Sol. I think Sol might have done something horrible. I think he’s been “altered” by indarra
Mae starting the fire that kills everyone remind anyone else of the TNG episode “Hero Worship” (s5e11)? Only this time instead of a boy taking after Data, we have Mae taking after red lightsaber guy.
Something to watch out for. The witches view the Force more similarly as the sith. They don't think there is a will or a destiny. It's just an energy field to use however you want. Whereas the Jedi knows that the Force has a Will. And WE as viewers know that the Force has gods. Just a connection I observed between the Sith and Witches. ObiWan teaches Luke to let the force guide his movements and control his actions in the remote training. It's not just something to be commanded. If it was limited to that there is no way the force could guide your actions before you flexed or thought your own will upon it. Precognitive reaction and movement would be severely limited.
I think Mae started a small fire, but what happened to the whole coven will be told later. We know Sol had to make peace with what happened. and whatshisname took that poison out of guilt. Do the Sith Have to be involved? I appreciate the enthusiasm Kat and Parker have for the story and share my cynicism about the Jedi. Some of these other reactors . . .! Huh, toxic fandom.
The Jedi are full of hubris, but I don't think they would attack the witches. There was no reason to. They were going to get Osha for sure. What if..🤔 The Sith were looking for the girls, but couldn't find them. The witches hid them well. But the Jedi knew.. And led the Sith right to them. And maybe Torbin was the one that was tracked, hence his massive guilt. ....Or not, we shall see 😏
Except the trailer for 4 shows Torbin being what looks like attacked by the Wookie Jedi. And Torbin was willing to kill himself over it because 'they thought they were doing the right thing'. And there are already canonical wrong choices by the Jedi order. Grievous's origin being one of them.
The 3rd episode starts and ends on a tree in which the episode tells the audience several times that it is poisonous. I think that this isn't a coincidence and has to do with the larger story of how the Witches all died at once. How they were poisoned all at once, I still haven't figured out. As they were all lying on the floor together with most of them looking unharmed. Perhaps the Witches were planning on poisoning the Jedi in order to keep Osha and to avoid blame for killing them. Only a fight to break out and something to go wrong and all the Witches get poisoned? I'm not sure how it clicks together to make sense, but I feel like the poisonous tree is somehow chekhov's gun here.
Abigail Thorn! Was so exited for her to be in this. After watching PhilosophyTube for years I buy her as a member of a force practicing witch covern. I assume later in the series we see the Jedi massacring the witches in an attempt to “liberate” the children.
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes" - Obi-Wan, blinded by his own idealism, missing the irony of his own statement. The Jedi were clergy cops, with the inherent problems of both. Most of it not rooted in malice, but certainly a lot of naïve self-righteousness and ignorance of the flaws in their own system. There was more of the "dark side" in their ways than they cared to recognize. Luke couldn't ignore it when he came face to face with it, though.
Those in the know have been AJAB since at least 1999, considering pretty much every depiction of the Jedi since the prequels has been rather sceptical and critical of them as a whole
It was less "all Jedi" in this case, since Mae implied the Council doesnt know the truth- its *these* Jedi, which is extremely interesting to me. What horrible thing could have possibly happened that they agreed to keep it quiet? That they can't even stand to be around each other?
Parker would bend the reality of the show if it meant getting more Jackie lol I usually don't like Star Wars stuff, mostly because of the writing. This one is good so far, although the flashback episode could be more down the road. I see a lot of people complaining about the acting, I thought it was fine. Except for some scenes of the younger twins but I have my own opinion about child acting that I think is too spicy for the comments section of a RUclips video >.< Thank you for the react and commentary! See you at the next one
If you have not read ‘Darth Plagueis’ by James Luceno, now is a good time to do so. The Sith plot to destroy the Jedi hinges on exposing the failings and hypocrisy of the Jedi Order, particularly their millennia-long transformation into the militant arm of the Republic.
Watching the show last night I struggled with the pacing. It felt very drawn out... Like a comic book story that should be 1 issue that's spread out to 3. So I came to your reactions because you help reframe and give me a new point of view. I've retroactively reevaluated episodes 1&2. On the wokeness... I don't get it. I didn't even remember that there was controversy until about episode 4. Which I still don't get. My issues with the story are about pace, not characters. The Jedi - a bit pompous and stiff, but they've always had that propensity. It's almost to the point of making them unlikable though. The Pals - super fun chaos energy, and you're making me a fan. The only thing I'm not fond of is that you both have awesome hair, and I have none. But that might be misplaced jealousy. Thanks for an awesome reaction channel. Can't wait to see you so Fan and Noob Rebels.
SMART people consider they MIGHT be wrong about something. But here? That's not a consideration. If it supports you political narative? Then it's good. if it doesnt? Thats bad. I'm very disappointed by your take of this. It "progressive" So you " love it" even if it's objectivly bad. Do better.
I am very disappointed how racists like yourself go on the attack when people dare like things you don't because a show happens to have a darker skinned female lead. It's "progressive" so you "hate it" even when it is better than other Star Wars ventures (remember Jar Jar Binks?). Do better.
@@pajmic666 I truly shouldn't be responding to troll comments, but idk why people feel it so necessary to come in a berate and degrade someone for enjoying something just because they don't. It's a wild way to exist in your day to day life.
@@KatAlysha Liking things are more fun than not liking things! While there are valid criticisms for the show, so far I am intrigued too, and entertained. I honestly do not get the hate that the show gets, perhaps there is an element of Star Wars fatigue as well
I have an idea about how to improve the plot, characters and writing of these Star Wars series. When upper management interviews potential show runners, they should ask them, "What are your plans for the Star Wars brand?" And if a candidate utters some variation of "I don't know much about Star Wars, nor do I care to," or if they get a evil grin on their face, rub their hands together nefariously and scream, "I'm gonna burn it to the ground!" you probably shouldn't hire them. Seriously, there's nothing wrong with these series that couldn't be cured by a show runner who knew and respected the material and knew how to hire writers capable of producing interesting plots and sharp, memorable dialogue.
@@uncannyparker4028 I've also come to that conclusion. Grownups shouldn't obsess about stuff like this, because they have grownup stuff (jobs, kids, etc.) to attend to. Or at least, not obsess to the point where they get angry about it. Same with the Marvel films. Sure they ran into the weeds after Endgame, but before that we got to enjoy more than two-dozen movies woven into a decade-long story arc that concluded in a very satisfying way. It was great, it was fun, and now it's over. Time to move on to something else.
Except Leslye Headland has talked about being a huge fan of Star Wars, both the prequels and the old republic. She does respect the material. Y'all just don't respect her and will twist her words to make her a villain.
@@thegamingknight2096 I'm not trying to cast anyone as a villain. But I wonder, among other things, how the money for this project was spent. Each episode of The Acolyte (if online sources are to be believed) cost more than the entire Oscar-winning film Godzilla Minus One, which is a master class in what can happen if you write a good script, create likeable characters, care about the source material and have enough time to create a high-quality finished product. It seems to me, as a former Star Wars fan turned disinterested observer, that these Disney+ series (including The Book of Boba Fett, Kenobi (or whatever it was called) and the last season of The Mandalorian) simply don't offer much bang for the buck. Cheapo sets, low-budget special effects, a general "rushed" vibe, and, worst of all, subpar stories and dialogue. Bottom line: If you have a great script, you don't need great special effects to attract crowds. But if you have a terrible script, all the special effects in the world can't save you.
Show idea: An ultraconservative Jedi master roams the galaxy, hunting down and destroying heretical covens of Force witches. Tag line: "The witches lost their way. One man will offer them redemption -- or annihilation." Instant. Frigging. Hit.
Fan backlash to The Acolyte has to be the most bizarre and frustrating thing I've seen from this fanbase in a while, because it's perfectly in line with what George Lucas set up with his films originally. This series encapsulates Star Wars in both positive (riffing on classic storytelling genres, interesting concepts and worldbuilding) and negative ways (hokey dialogue), it's really no different from most other Star Wars series during the last few years, with the added bonus that it's actually doing something interesting with this universe for a change. There's a lot to critique and analyse about the show, but instead fans get bogged down with the most asinine complaints like fire burning in space, or throw a fit because Leslye Headland said the show was going to be "the gayest Star Wars show ever", or that Charlie Barnett accidentally said that Anakin destroyed the Death Star in an interview (that's an actual complaint that's been circulating on Star Wars Twitter for the last two weeks). And this is in between the usual suspects banging on about "wokeness" and "agendas" and declaring this to be the "death of the franchise" for what must be the fifth time in the last decade. Sometimes it's really exhausting to be a Star Wars fan.
The problem is that it's not in line with what George Lucas created. George Lucas created the force, not a thread. Lucas was clear on Jedi being the side of good and Sith being evil. This concoction of a show paints the Jedi as a cult-like confederation that are taking force sensitive children from their parents, basically the bad guys? Anakin was the "chosen one" because he was created by the force (not thread) whereas this show completely changes that lore. Yes, it's not just the fact that this show is terribly written, acted and directed it's a spit in the face to what George Lucas created. That's why there's so much hate for the show.
@@michaelwilson1537 The Force and Thread are the same thing. You're seeing two separate religions with different forms of worship and belief towards the same cosmic feature. Just because the Greeks called the sun "Helios" and offered honey to it, and the Hawaiians called it "La" and played music to it doesn't change the principle nature of the sun. The Jedi and Sith call the cosmic phenomenon "the Force" and believe it is a connecting power that can be tapped into and used for one's own agenda, the coven calls it "the Thread" and think of it as a connecting power that ties a group together to be stronger as one and can be 'pulled' to trigger greater things. The Jedi have never been innately, flawlessly good in any Star Wars media, if they were, basic critical thinking would tell you that Anakin himself is an impossibility. If the Jedi are innately good, how did episode 4 start off with a Jedi who betrayed the entire rest of the Jedi and joined up with the empire? They are people, and just like any other people, they have agendas and are flawed. Obi-wan's immediate reaction on seeing Luke and hearing Leia's request is to convince a teenager to ditch his family and come get involved in a war that Kenobi knew for a fact would have Luke fighting his own father and in constant danger. Yoda AND Obi-wan in 5 openly tell Luke to abandon his friends because his training is more important and it's okay for them to be sacrificed as long as Luke honors their deaths. Luke succeeds and saves his friends by directly ignoring the strict Jedi path and going to reunite with his friends anyway, what ultimately allows them to rescue Han and later end the Empire. Even in the original trilogy, actual "good" and "Jedi" are not synonymous. Anakin was the chosen one because his destiny was to balance the Sith and Jedi, which he ultimately did. He wasn't chosen because of the circumstance of his birth, that was just an indicator of him being the one in the prophecy. The existence of other people conceived by means of the Force doesn't change his specific prophecy. A prophecy about a person named John showing up someplace doesn't suddenly not work just because another person named John was born a century ago. The show has very, very standard writing, acting and direction, and its production in practical effects and costuming are closer to the original trilogy than Star Wars has been in a very long time. It's a very run-of-the-mill show hated because of culture war brainrot, not because it somehow spits in the face of George "Meesa called Jar Jar Binks" Lucas.
@@michaelwilson1537 well, in interviews we have heard Dave Filoni helped the showrunner develop the Witches in the Acolyte. Filoni has had in-depth discussions about the Force with Lucas and still talks to him for advice on Star Wars. It's as @christianwise637 points out a different way of talking about or describing the Force. It was George Lucas who picked out the Nightsisters from the EU to make them part of Star Wars canon despite using the Force very differently. Also it's already canon but Lucas brought in a witch doing magic before with The Battle for Endor tv movie. George Lucas had his daughter Katie Lucas write most of the Clone Wars episodes featuring the Nightsisters. I think Lucas might really like these new additions to Star Wars canon.
1i dont think this episode deserves the backlash it has gotten. I emjoyed it but there were some very cringe moments, especially with the witches. That said i fear it may get worse from here. Your hate for the jedi is disturbing
I've been enjoying this show and there was some peak Star Wars on display here. The discussions it provokes about ourselves and society is what it has always been about at its core. Loving your reactions and Parker has been a great addition for this show, they are great fun to watch vibe with Kat over some Star Wars! So many thoughts about wjat theu deliberately didnt show us, but I think we'll see that come back around in episode 5 maybe
Did we see the same thing? This is pure trash, nothing to do with Star Wars. More like Blair Witch meets Spaceballs. Lucas should never have given up control of his company. The girl reacting wasn't even born when the real Star Wars came out so I give no credence to her idea of how great this series is.
Omg. She wasn't born when Star Wars came out???? Just like most of the fandom and people cast throughout throughout the years???? WOAH. You are so so insightful. So smart. Such good
Sorry Given up on this (The Acolyte) Star Wars is truly dead.Thanks Disney.Why, Poor writing, poor acting,poor storyline that makes up a rule then goes against that rule for it's own convenience, unimaginative generic effects ,how it cost almost 23 million per episode I just don't know, because it doesn't show on the screen whatsoever, just dogleg. Edited to add reasons.
Remember Torbin’s line when he said “We thought we were doing the right thing.” right before drinking the poison. Apparently they did SOMETHING terrible, we just don’t know what yet.
At this point Osha wanting to be a Jedi is like her deciding she wants to become a forensic tax accountant. What does she know of either?
As we ventured into the outback to document the local wildlife we were lucky to spot, at only 6:54 minutes into our journey, the very rare and illusive Feral Kat.
"Feral Kat isn't real, they can't hurt you."
*FERAL KAT*: exists
Oh dear.
I like how complicated things are in this episode. I look forward to getting May’s perspective in the future. We’re definitely not seeing the whole picture.
I'm guessing that once the fire started, both sides assumed the other was attacking and the Jedi didn't find out the truth until they'd killed everyone.
I gotta think the twins "creation" spun a "thread" thru the coven. When Mae and Osha broke the thread it unraveled, fatally ripping the coven. I don't think the Jedi understood how delicate the balance was within the coven, until it was far too late.
I'm sure there are lots of people who pray for the Jedi.
"May the great maker bless and keep the Jedi,
far away from us..."
Well it depends your definition of taking children, the Jedi seems to require consent from both children and parents to take and adopt any child they take in. I assume that Sol was taking issue with the jedi being called kidnappers.
It's a perception cultivated by the Sith in yhe Prequels
Remember, Mae committed some Osha violations
perfection.
Indira followed the Jedi bureaucratic playbook. No Force training not Jedi sanctioned. But she didn't understand the subtle fragility of the coven. She followed procedure, learning too late the damage that would do.
By the pricking of my thumbs, something Jedi this way comes...
I get the feeling this is similar to what we saw in TLJ. 1 to show the "Jedi" point of view. 1 for the "dark side". And 1 of the ACTUAL history. What you felt about the dathomiri It is actually somewhat intentional as when initially pitched The series was going to explore the history of Ventress. This does also seem to reinforce the perception that was played up by palpatine in a 130 years about jedi being a child snatching weirdo cult. And the idea that Osha and Mae seems to be a proto version of what Anakin turns out to be. As it is implied that mother Anasyia created the girls by "manipulating the midi-chlorians to create.....life"
I understand that more perspectives of the same events are coming. 😊
So it would make sense if Darth Plagueis gets his knowledge on creating life from the force from the witches. Was wiping the witches out to get that knowledge and keep it secret a long term Sith plan? Did they point the Jedi to the witches to seed discord and ultimately destroy the witches. Because the thing that both witches & Jedi miss is that twins one witch and one Jedi could have helped create a balance. I assume that the Jedi disagree and instead of being happy with just taking Osha, maybe 2 or 3 of them want to take Mae as well. So they have a plan within a plan. They send Sol to get Osha but then plan to take Mae without his knowledge. It goes wrong and massacre ensues. Or does Sol know?
This group reminds me of the mountain clan in the "Tales of the Empire" animated series.
So Osha is the Son from Mortis except she gets the jedi to take her off the planet...
I also think the best case scenario for the moral integrity of the jedi is that this goes down like Waco...I really think that this group of jedi were actively hunting this coven and I don't see Sol being exempt. I think his mushiness is probably his coping mechanism. I really think that Osha's going to kill him in a couple episodes but we'll see.
I wonder if Mae and Osha are where the Jedi get the rule for someone being too old to start training.
15:56 “From my point of view, the Jedi are evil” - Anakin
We definitely don’t have the full story here. The witches definitely weren’t taken out by the fire. The Jedi did something. Sol was there already. As you said, Torbin has a scar from a fight.
Mae didn’t look right either. Almost trance like. I wonder if she was being controlled by the Sith character we saw in ep1.
Enjoyed your reaction.
You're welcome for the title guys.
I really enjoyed the first 2 episodes and thought they got a lot of undue hate/criticism. Initially, I thought this episode deserved the criticism and I really didn't like it, but your discussion has given me pause. On the face of it, so much of the episode didn't make sense - how does a whole coven of witches die in a fire? I thought that was the explanation we were being given and it made no sense, but you're right, there definitely stuff we're not being told/shown yet. Also, if the planet wasn't a part of the Republic, why were the Jedi there? Were they just there to spy on the coven or did they have an actual legitimate, legal reason to be there initially? Also, what the deal with the 'creation' of the twins? Are they the Anakin before Anakin? So many questions... Thanks for helping me see the episode in a slightly more positive light.
I'd call that little thing at the start a jellyfly
Sol kind of feels a bit like a guilty party wouldn't you say? I think that might be the emotion he's channeling.
Also, any Knight can take a person as a Padawan regardless of the Council's decisions. It's why even though the Council denied Anakin being trained Obi-Wan was able to say he would train Anakin. So Sol could train her even if more senior Jedi disapprove.
This feels very Rashomon so I'm hoping we see more flashbacks from other people's point of view going forward.
I'm with Parker. More Jecki! :)
I think we got osha first. I’m sure Mae will be next and final flashback will be Sol. I think Sol might have done something horrible. I think he’s been “altered” by indarra
just because the jedi are flawed doesnt mean they dont do some good in the galaxy AND it doesnt mean the sith are right.
Mae starting the fire that kills everyone remind anyone else of the TNG episode “Hero Worship” (s5e11)? Only this time instead of a boy taking after Data, we have Mae taking after red lightsaber guy.
I don’t think Mae literally meant to kill her sister when she said that. Kids say some crazy stuff when they’re angry.
Really? What kid (who isn't psychotic) ever tells their sibling that they want to KILL them?
@@michaelwilson1537 And then locks them in a room and sets fire to it!
Something to watch out for. The witches view the Force more similarly as the sith. They don't think there is a will or a destiny. It's just an energy field to use however you want.
Whereas the Jedi knows that the Force has a Will.
And WE as viewers know that the Force has gods.
Just a connection I observed between the Sith and Witches.
ObiWan teaches Luke to let the force guide his movements and control his actions in the remote training. It's not just something to be commanded. If it was limited to that there is no way the force could guide your actions before you flexed or thought your own will upon it. Precognitive reaction and movement would be severely limited.
I think Mae started a small fire, but what happened to the whole coven will be told later. We know Sol had to make peace with what happened. and whatshisname took that poison out of guilt. Do the Sith Have to be involved? I appreciate the enthusiasm Kat and Parker have for the story and share my cynicism about the Jedi. Some of these other reactors . . .! Huh, toxic fandom.
There's an excellent chance we will meet Yoda.
Please don't let Yoda be anywhere near this dumpster fire
The Jedi are full of hubris, but I don't think they would attack the witches. There was no reason to. They were going to get Osha for sure.
What if..🤔 The Sith were looking for the girls, but couldn't find them. The witches hid them well. But the Jedi knew.. And led the Sith right to them. And maybe Torbin was the one that was tracked, hence his massive guilt.
....Or not, we shall see 😏
Except the trailer for 4 shows Torbin being what looks like attacked by the Wookie Jedi. And Torbin was willing to kill himself over it because 'they thought they were doing the right thing'. And there are already canonical wrong choices by the Jedi order. Grievous's origin being one of them.
@@cliveklg7739 Disney trailers can deceive you. Don't trust them.
OMG it's the Abigail episode!
A guy slinking around in the woods in a bathrobe scoping out little girls. Creepy,...much?
The 3rd episode starts and ends on a tree in which the episode tells the audience several times that it is poisonous. I think that this isn't a coincidence and has to do with the larger story of how the Witches all died at once. How they were poisoned all at once, I still haven't figured out. As they were all lying on the floor together with most of them looking unharmed.
Perhaps the Witches were planning on poisoning the Jedi in order to keep Osha and to avoid blame for killing them. Only a fight to break out and something to go wrong and all the Witches get poisoned? I'm not sure how it clicks together to make sense, but I feel like the poisonous tree is somehow chekhov's gun here.
Abigail Thorn! Was so exited for her to be in this. After watching PhilosophyTube for years I buy her as a member of a force practicing witch covern. I assume later in the series we see the Jedi massacring the witches in an attempt to “liberate” the children.
Are....are we AJAB now?
I am convinced those four Jedi did something while Osha was escaping that room.
That's what we've been talking about too!! They've always had me a little wary. Ahsoka's story really pushed me on that path too!
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes" - Obi-Wan, blinded by his own idealism, missing the irony of his own statement.
The Jedi were clergy cops, with the inherent problems of both. Most of it not rooted in malice, but certainly a lot of naïve self-righteousness and ignorance of the flaws in their own system. There was more of the "dark side" in their ways than they cared to recognize. Luke couldn't ignore it when he came face to face with it, though.
Those in the know have been AJAB since at least 1999, considering pretty much every depiction of the Jedi since the prequels has been rather sceptical and critical of them as a whole
It was less "all Jedi" in this case, since Mae implied the Council doesnt know the truth- its *these* Jedi, which is extremely interesting to me. What horrible thing could have possibly happened that they agreed to keep it quiet? That they can't even stand to be around each other?
Being objective is impossible for you, isn't it
Says the narrow-minded bigot.
Parker is a cutie.
Aren't they? 🥰
Parker would bend the reality of the show if it meant getting more Jackie lol
I usually don't like Star Wars stuff, mostly because of the writing. This one is good so far, although the flashback episode could be more down the road. I see a lot of people complaining about the acting, I thought it was fine. Except for some scenes of the younger twins but I have my own opinion about child acting that I think is too spicy for the comments section of a RUclips video >.<
Thank you for the react and commentary! See you at the next one
RIP Star Wars
RIP to your opinion
Well, at least these shills act better than actors in the show. 😂
Oooo yes. Please. Call me a shill. Yum yum yum
parker and kat so cute :)
If you have not read ‘Darth Plagueis’ by James Luceno, now is a good time to do so. The Sith plot to destroy the Jedi hinges on exposing the failings and hypocrisy of the Jedi Order, particularly their millennia-long transformation into the militant arm of the Republic.
Never trust a Jedi. They always have their own agenda.
The legacy of the jedi is failure hypocrisy hubris Luke was right!
Overcome with smoke inhalation, so tragic
Jackie? Jeki?
Dark side Forse lightning.
Kids eating drugged ice cream
Watching the show last night I struggled with the pacing. It felt very drawn out... Like a comic book story that should be 1 issue that's spread out to 3.
So I came to your reactions because you help reframe and give me a new point of view. I've retroactively reevaluated episodes 1&2.
On the wokeness... I don't get it. I didn't even remember that there was controversy until about episode 4. Which I still don't get. My issues with the story are about pace, not characters.
The Jedi - a bit pompous and stiff, but they've always had that propensity. It's almost to the point of making them unlikable though.
The Pals - super fun chaos energy, and you're making me a fan. The only thing I'm not fond of is that you both have awesome hair, and I have none. But that might be misplaced jealousy.
Thanks for an awesome reaction channel. Can't wait to see you so Fan and Noob Rebels.
Annasaya annsya anna-wa-oo-sa. She wanna be starting sumthin.
hey, is it cool for the episodes Parker appears in, to call you guys Parkat
TBH we loved this episode. Idk why it got so much hate.
SMART people consider they MIGHT be wrong about something. But here? That's not a consideration.
If it supports you political narative? Then it's good. if it doesnt? Thats bad. I'm very disappointed by your take of this.
It "progressive" So you " love it" even if it's objectivly bad. Do better.
I am very disappointed how racists like yourself go on the attack when people dare like things you don't because a show happens to have a darker skinned female lead.
It's "progressive" so you "hate it" even when it is better than other Star Wars ventures (remember Jar Jar Binks?). Do better.
I don't care what people say, this show is so gooooood
It has a 19% fan score on RT, and a 3.9/10 on IMDb. Most of humanity disagrees with you. And no, 80% of the reviewers aren’t “Review Bombers”.🥴😂
@@SecondBreakfastAndThreeH-zo3jp just said I don't caaaaare
You need to have a certain level of intelligence quotient in order to enjoy this. Take this as you will.
@@pajmic666 I truly shouldn't be responding to troll comments, but idk why people feel it so necessary to come in a berate and degrade someone for enjoying something just because they don't. It's a wild way to exist in your day to day life.
@@KatAlysha Liking things are more fun than not liking things! While there are valid criticisms for the show, so far I am intrigued too, and entertained. I honestly do not get the hate that the show gets, perhaps there is an element of Star Wars fatigue as well
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I have an idea about how to improve the plot, characters and writing of these Star Wars series. When upper management interviews potential show runners, they should ask them, "What are your plans for the Star Wars brand?" And if a candidate utters some variation of "I don't know much about Star Wars, nor do I care to," or if they get a evil grin on their face, rub their hands together nefariously and scream, "I'm gonna burn it to the ground!" you probably shouldn't hire them. Seriously, there's nothing wrong with these series that couldn't be cured by a show runner who knew and respected the material and knew how to hire writers capable of producing interesting plots and sharp, memorable dialogue.
You’ve just described what has happened under Dave Filoni. Maybe you’ve just outgrown Star Wars
@@uncannyparker4028 I've also come to that conclusion. Grownups shouldn't obsess about stuff like this, because they have grownup stuff (jobs, kids, etc.) to attend to. Or at least, not obsess to the point where they get angry about it. Same with the Marvel films. Sure they ran into the weeds after Endgame, but before that we got to enjoy more than two-dozen movies woven into a decade-long story arc that concluded in a very satisfying way. It was great, it was fun, and now it's over. Time to move on to something else.
Except Leslye Headland has talked about being a huge fan of Star Wars, both the prequels and the old republic. She does respect the material. Y'all just don't respect her and will twist her words to make her a villain.
@@thegamingknight2096 I'm not trying to cast anyone as a villain. But I wonder, among other things, how the money for this project was spent. Each episode of The Acolyte (if online sources are to be believed) cost more than the entire Oscar-winning film Godzilla Minus One, which is a master class in what can happen if you write a good script, create likeable characters, care about the source material and have enough time to create a high-quality finished product. It seems to me, as a former Star Wars fan turned disinterested observer, that these Disney+ series (including The Book of Boba Fett, Kenobi (or whatever it was called) and the last season of The Mandalorian) simply don't offer much bang for the buck. Cheapo sets, low-budget special effects, a general "rushed" vibe, and, worst of all, subpar stories and dialogue. Bottom line: If you have a great script, you don't need great special effects to attract crowds. But if you have a terrible script, all the special effects in the world can't save you.
Show idea: An ultraconservative Jedi master roams the galaxy, hunting down and destroying heretical covens of Force witches. Tag line: "The witches lost their way. One man will offer them redemption -- or annihilation." Instant. Frigging. Hit.
Fan backlash to The Acolyte has to be the most bizarre and frustrating thing I've seen from this fanbase in a while, because it's perfectly in line with what George Lucas set up with his films originally. This series encapsulates Star Wars in both positive (riffing on classic storytelling genres, interesting concepts and worldbuilding) and negative ways (hokey dialogue), it's really no different from most other Star Wars series during the last few years, with the added bonus that it's actually doing something interesting with this universe for a change. There's a lot to critique and analyse about the show, but instead fans get bogged down with the most asinine complaints like fire burning in space, or throw a fit because Leslye Headland said the show was going to be "the gayest Star Wars show ever", or that Charlie Barnett accidentally said that Anakin destroyed the Death Star in an interview (that's an actual complaint that's been circulating on Star Wars Twitter for the last two weeks). And this is in between the usual suspects banging on about "wokeness" and "agendas" and declaring this to be the "death of the franchise" for what must be the fifth time in the last decade. Sometimes it's really exhausting to be a Star Wars fan.
The problem is that it's not in line with what George Lucas created. George Lucas created the force, not a thread. Lucas was clear on Jedi being the side of good and Sith being evil. This concoction of a show paints the Jedi as a cult-like confederation that are taking force sensitive children from their parents, basically the bad guys? Anakin was the "chosen one" because he was created by the force (not thread) whereas this show completely changes that lore. Yes, it's not just the fact that this show is terribly written, acted and directed it's a spit in the face to what George Lucas created. That's why there's so much hate for the show.
@@michaelwilson1537 The Force and Thread are the same thing. You're seeing two separate religions with different forms of worship and belief towards the same cosmic feature. Just because the Greeks called the sun "Helios" and offered honey to it, and the Hawaiians called it "La" and played music to it doesn't change the principle nature of the sun. The Jedi and Sith call the cosmic phenomenon "the Force" and believe it is a connecting power that can be tapped into and used for one's own agenda, the coven calls it "the Thread" and think of it as a connecting power that ties a group together to be stronger as one and can be 'pulled' to trigger greater things.
The Jedi have never been innately, flawlessly good in any Star Wars media, if they were, basic critical thinking would tell you that Anakin himself is an impossibility. If the Jedi are innately good, how did episode 4 start off with a Jedi who betrayed the entire rest of the Jedi and joined up with the empire? They are people, and just like any other people, they have agendas and are flawed. Obi-wan's immediate reaction on seeing Luke and hearing Leia's request is to convince a teenager to ditch his family and come get involved in a war that Kenobi knew for a fact would have Luke fighting his own father and in constant danger. Yoda AND Obi-wan in 5 openly tell Luke to abandon his friends because his training is more important and it's okay for them to be sacrificed as long as Luke honors their deaths. Luke succeeds and saves his friends by directly ignoring the strict Jedi path and going to reunite with his friends anyway, what ultimately allows them to rescue Han and later end the Empire. Even in the original trilogy, actual "good" and "Jedi" are not synonymous.
Anakin was the chosen one because his destiny was to balance the Sith and Jedi, which he ultimately did. He wasn't chosen because of the circumstance of his birth, that was just an indicator of him being the one in the prophecy. The existence of other people conceived by means of the Force doesn't change his specific prophecy. A prophecy about a person named John showing up someplace doesn't suddenly not work just because another person named John was born a century ago.
The show has very, very standard writing, acting and direction, and its production in practical effects and costuming are closer to the original trilogy than Star Wars has been in a very long time. It's a very run-of-the-mill show hated because of culture war brainrot, not because it somehow spits in the face of George "Meesa called Jar Jar Binks" Lucas.
@@cygni4 You made some very interesting points. Enjoy the Acolyte
@@michaelwilson1537 well, in interviews we have heard Dave Filoni helped the showrunner develop the Witches in the Acolyte. Filoni has had in-depth discussions about the Force with Lucas and still talks to him for advice on Star Wars. It's as @christianwise637 points out a different way of talking about or describing the Force. It was George Lucas who picked out the Nightsisters from the EU to make them part of Star Wars canon despite using the Force very differently. Also it's already canon but Lucas brought in a witch doing magic before with The Battle for Endor tv movie. George Lucas had his daughter Katie Lucas write most of the Clone Wars episodes featuring the Nightsisters. I think Lucas might really like these new additions to Star Wars canon.
1i dont think this episode deserves the backlash it has gotten. I emjoyed it but there were some very cringe moments, especially with the witches. That said i fear it may get worse from here. Your hate for the jedi is disturbing
I've been enjoying this show and there was some peak Star Wars on display here. The discussions it provokes about ourselves and society is what it has always been about at its core.
Loving your reactions and Parker has been a great addition for this show, they are great fun to watch vibe with Kat over some Star Wars!
So many thoughts about wjat theu deliberately didnt show us, but I think we'll see that come back around in episode 5 maybe
Did we see the same thing? This is pure trash, nothing to do with Star Wars. More like Blair Witch meets Spaceballs. Lucas should never have given up control of his company. The girl reacting wasn't even born when the real Star Wars came out so I give no credence to her idea of how great this series is.
Omg. She wasn't born when Star Wars came out???? Just like most of the fandom and people cast throughout throughout the years???? WOAH. You are so so insightful. So smart. Such good
Sorry Given up on this (The Acolyte) Star Wars is truly dead.Thanks Disney.Why, Poor writing, poor acting,poor storyline that makes up a rule then goes against that rule for it's own convenience, unimaginative generic effects ,how it cost almost 23 million per episode I just don't know, because it doesn't show on the screen whatsoever, just dogleg. Edited to add reasons.
You’re a numbskull.
Great choice by Paula to sit this one out
Booo 👎👎👎