I’d say that one of the main differences between the third and fourth gen is that there were only a handful of extremely popular groups in the third gen, but the fourth gen is overall more popular broadly and think that is what makes the fourth gen different
Helps that the 4th had pretty much a 2 year gap where nothing knew really debuted and lots of groups silently disbanded, easy to focus on more groups… when there’s less of them capable of keep activities.
Tho its pretty saturated now, there are so MANY groups that people dont even notice / 'nugus'. And social media+ globalization+ western recognition will obv result in the popularity that 4th gen is receiving now. Either itll keep getting popular or not
Someone said that the hallmark of 4th Gen is that they promote globally as a soon as they debut. This too make sense, because 3rd Gen pierced the global market barrier (Don’t come at me with 2nd Gen please. I didn’t say FIRST, I said PIERCED. BROKE. PENETRATE).
I also think it’s sort of silly to try to say “hey the 5th gen starts now” it will happen naturally. When the shift from 3>>4 happened it wasn’t something we all collectively agreed on, it happened retrospectively
Same with the 2>3 tho; usually there’s a pivotal group that kinda of locks one year (2005, 2012, 2018) but the groups that came close before this year are also grouped together.
I think one of the factors makes it hard to believe that 5th gen is actually starting is because 4th gen still feels so fresh, tho probably because the pandemic really mess up my sense of time 😅
I think 4th gen feels fresh because it actually is still quite fresh compared to how long it took between 2nd get and 3rd gen. The one thing that makes me reluctant to call this 5th gen is the fact that YG has not had a 4th gen GG yet and it feels incredibly weird having one of the original BIg3 not have a group for a certain gen...
The 4th generation felt short also because 3rd generation defyed the 7 year curse. Most 2nd gen groups reduced/left the industry at the start or mid 3rd gen. However with the ending of the 7 year curse this would be the new norm!!! We are starting 5th Gen groups and still have brilliant 3rd gen groups who are not leaving. Which is a win win situation!!! Your music is what will define you❤
Well but we do feel that the 3rd gen is on it's last legs (solely speaking about my gg experience). It might not be obvious since some contracts still run until next year, but we lost Momoland and GWSN this year, a few groups are shaky and have to regroup like Loona, Mamamoo, WJSN or BB Girls. And the ones that are remaining don't do that many comebacks for a few years now. See Weki Meki, OMG, BP or fromis_9. I think Twice, Red Velvet and Dreamcatcher are the only ones that are still regularly active with at least 2 releases a year. I don't wanna call it but I think the next years it will thin out even more. That's fine and a few groups will forever be legendary and go on, but the time of the classic 3rd gen kpop is over.
@@moongirl8807 I feel like 4th gen girl groups are at a quicker death bed than some of the girl groups mentioned above. Due to over saturation of the golden era of girl groups... For instance Weeekly, Rocket Punch, Woo!aah seemed at some point like they will cement themselves in the industry....this was short lived.... Sadly one of my 4th Ulta group ITZY, Fifty-fifty are also losing significance and slowly being forgotten in the industry... Looking at the bigger picture at least the 3rd gen groups lived for an era.... Then technically focusing on the redebut of Dreamcatcher..I believe it's still a 4th gen group technically.... I'm so glad Twice, Manamoo(atleast for the next 2 years),Dreamcatcher are making continuous comebacks and Blackpink, Redvelvet are atleast touring ... I guess it's time to see if we will have another SNSD..... JUST NOTICED I RAMBLED 🤣🤣
@@knowlesknowles1356 no problem and yes yes yes, I definitely agree with all of that! I don't wanna call it but I don't see for example Cherry Bullet or Rocket Punch making it but that's just because there's so much out there rn. I always see Dreamcatcher as true 3rd bc not only was Minx and so the members the most 3rd gen we could get, the Dreamcatcher debut was also still in that timeline. Also as taejiu said they just have this 3rd gen feel in everything they do. But you're not alone, I saw a surprising amount of new fans who thought they were 4th gen bc well that's when they took off around 2020 and even with a 4th gen look. So definitely I know where that comes from.
The way people are unironically calling Itzy a third Gen group and shoving all the older groups into 3rd Gen is funny to me because it’s the same thing that happened at the beginning or 3rd Gen because people don’t like change.
But notice how this discourse really only happens between ggs, you never see bgs stans pushing this simply because there isn’t the “irrelevance by age” factor at play :(
@@Taejiu i think people think taht G-IDLE is a theird gen group is because they seem really mature for a fourth gen group. when me and my friends first joined we thought that G-IDLE were third gen
honestly, 5th gen starting makes sense. groups like 8turn, xikers, and now boynextdoor are all debuting with concepts and sounds that are completely different to groups like the boyz, stray kids, ateez, and txt. plus with some debuts last year from newjeans and fifty fifty, i felt like it pushed and influenced a new style of k-pop. with recent debuts, it feels quite fresh, colorful, bright, and have hints of y2k. the 4th gen didn’t really have this style until last year and since it’s becoming big, change doesn’t hurt! hopefully what i said makes sense
also a lot of aspects in the industry are changing like, idols are more ''free'' to ''date'', they can also were their tattooes in a somewhat free way, they can express themselves better too and be ''real'', also more minors coming to the scene and stuff like theres a lot of elements that you can see are different
I would still wait until this wave of y2k is over, btw the boy groups are also doing that style basically. I think that's still 4th gen but just the end of it. Baby Monster will probably be the same with a more laid back "street style" but when SM and Hybe are debuting their new groups that will probably be the early stage of 5th gen (although RUNEXT looks a bit like CSR so far so that would still be 4th gen). At the very latest when everyone starts debuting their international groups. We can't say it now anyway, when the gen is over we'll just know.
The thing is 3rd gen groups like blackpink and nct didn’t start getting super successful until around end of 2017 and early 2018 (especially nct). So the fact that 3rd gen groups were still thriving and getting more and more popular while 4th gen was beginning might confuse some people timeline wise. Another reason as to why people think it passed so quickly is because 4th gen groups have started having real success only the past year. Next level was the very first actual 4th gen hit and since then we’ve had love dive, after like, tomboy, hype boy (all of which are very recent) so I guess some fans think it’s too soon to move onto a new gen when 4th gen are finally establishing themselves
Part of the reason I feel like we’re still in 4th gen right now is because I haven’t felt that heavy shift yet, it’s a feeling I don’t know how to describe but I remember in the transition from 3rd to 4th a big sign to me were the debuts of TXT and Itzy. At that time it was BigHit’s first group after the explosion of BTS and JYP’s first girl group after Twice’s takeover. It was like a feeling of “oh hey these companies are pushing out the new wave”. I don’t think we’ll get that feeling of little sister and brother groups debuting again in new generations because of just how close groups from the same companies are debuting. I think I’ll start feeling that same shift when LOUD and BabyMonster début since JYP hasn’t had a boy group (Xdinary Hero’s is a band so I’m not counting them in the boy group sphere in the same way SKZ is) in awhile and YG hasn’t had a new gg for even longer so I think the shift will start hitting a lot harder during those debuts.
I get what you’re saying and it’s hard to explain. There hasn’t really been that transition from 4th to 5th yet. I know generations in kpop happen gradually, but there’s usually that drastic wave that lets you KNOW that you’re in a new generation. To me it just feels like hasn’t happened yet.
@@Burn143Obviously you won't feel the shift now, like people only felt the shift from 3rd gen to 4th gen in 2020-2021 despite the 4th gen starting in 2018 , in 2/3 years time we might feel the 5th gen wave and people will realise the 5th gen started around now just like people finally acknowledging that the 4th gen started in 2018
I feel like in the future, we’ll know when 5th generation starts. During the pandemic, I remember watching videos explaining the different generations and what terrines them but one thing I will always remember is that it takes time for fans to know when the beginning of a new generation happens. One of the best examples is from 2nd to 3rd generation where majority of K-pop fans weren’t aware that a shift occurred during that time but now looking back at it in the future, many people have came to the consensus that Exo debuting was the beginning of the 3rd gen but at the time we didn’t know that. We didn’t realize that a new gen started cause we need the time to differentiate the generations. For 4th gen, I believe that (G)-Idle and Izone debuting was the beginning of 4th gen because that is when we see the shift of direction in music style. For me it’s incredibly hard to say that (G)-Idle or Izone are in the 3rd generation now but it’s important to remember that when they debuted they were considered 3rd gen groups. Like Izone wasn’t 4th gen until after they disbanded when people realized that the shift began with them. And I think the same thing will happen with 5th gen. We can’t say when it’ll start because we’ll have to see what differentiates 4th and 5th gen. Who knows, maybe New Jeans will become the start of 5th gen in the future if we see more of a Y2K or softer concept compared to the heavy teen crush we saw in 4th gen, which I have a feeling is where we’re heading. Anyways, thank you for reading this far of you did 😊😊
I’m kinda at the point where I feel the 5th gen will launch with groups such as BoyNextDoor, ZB1 and BabyMonster. I feel those groups are gonna be the starters!
It seems Generations are getting short and shorter... it is quite interesting to see in Kpop. 1st Gen was 10 years, 2nd Gen was 8 years (with the debut of TVXQ), 3rd Gen was about 6 years (with the debut of B.A.P. and EXO), and then 4th Gen is now in it 5th year now. Isn't that interesting to see. People say the Golden Years of Kpop was back during 2nd Gen, and yet that Gen didn’t even last a decade like first Gen did. It is quite interesting to see Kpop stans react to this change. 5th Gen is still a question mark for me. I see all of these outlets say they are gonna make their 5th Gen groups, and I am thinking to myself, "Okay, if they are gonna make these idols 5th Gen what are these companies gonna do that will completely distinguish 5th Gen from any other 4th Gen K-pop Group?" 4th Gen is very loud, bratty, and in your face, yet can be refreshing, fun, and beautiful. Not only that, but there is much more of a focus on stage presence and idol chemistry than there is with any other generation. 4th Gen has set its foundation on what it sounds like and what comes with it. People are just feeling comfortable with 4th Gen (and losing 2 years of your life, and being stuck at home). It seems like time just flies by. I do hope you are right, Taejiu, and we are in 5th Gen, but I just don't know yet. However, I will be fascinated to see what happens when these new groups debut.
A lot of people still get confused because boy groups have their generations a couple years earlier than girl groups. You'd think after 3 full turns fans both old and new would have wised up, right. So yeah, right about this time those eager for attention start talking about 5th gen. Like clockwork. Also, what group are you basing as the start of 1st gen? And what group exactly is it that defines the start of 4th gen, cutting 3rd gen short? Why didn't 3rd gen last 7, or even 8 years also? See, all you really did was define 2nd gen (and even that is arguable), then arbitrarily claimed that 1st lasted longer, and 3rd shorter. Or?
In my personal opinion, 4th gen hasn’t ended yet. The last wave of groups have yet to debut and solidify that end (if that makes sense). I call them “transitional” groups. Those groups could either be stuck between two generations or be the last ones before a switch off to the new era. I do think 4th gen will end around the next year or so. It’s tricky because generations in kpop aren’t really cut and clear, they happen gradually, so maybe that’s why people in general may be confused. However, I believe when 4th generation ends and the 5th starts, fans will just KNOW. Just like the switch from 3rd to fourth. Right now, there isn’t a majority and fans cannot come to an agreement; it’s still a split debate. I like your videos. Also the ending lmao, we all saw that coming, YG wasn’t fooling anyone.😂
I feel like kpop stans aren't ready for the 5th generation. Haven't y'all felt the shift in music since LSF and NWJS?. Even before them. We can count Fifty Fifty, Kep1er, IVE, TripleS and NMIXX in. There are many changes in concepts and sound. You can't tell me ITZY has the same sound/styling as LE SSERAFIM (they don't have the same concepts but production wise). HYBE is planning to debut more groups (Source Music, Ador, Pledis Trainee Auditions) and soon BOYNEXTDOOR is debuting. JYP will probably debut a new group called LOUD, YG Baby Monster and SM also a girl group, soon. I feel like the start of 5th gen is veery soon, sooner than we think. But again, Is it really important which generation our faves are? I mean, no one's going to call you old for stanning (G)-IDLE, ITZY, Stray Kids, TXT etc. But yeah, i might edit this later, since i'm on the way to school♡ thanks for listening to my ted talk
I think the issue is, if you include Ive as 5th gen, 4th gen only lasted 4 years, thats half the length of 2nd gen and almost a third of the time of 1st gen. I agree though that Nmixx/ive/newjeans/fifty, etc all shifted in music. Feels more like 2018-2021 is 4th gen, and 2021-2023 is 4.5.
I wouldn't say we're entering 5th gen yet. NewJeans, IVE, and Le Sserafim all just got started, and they're all firmly 4th gen. They'll dominate the space for a little while, I think. Maybe next year or the year after that?
But NJ, IVE and LSF didn't start the 4th gen even if they're at the center of it now. Groups like Itzy, TXT, Aespa, Iz*one and (G)-Idle did, and it's been a long time since they were considered rookies. Even then, Blackpink, who could be considered the leader of 3rd gen GGs, debuted in 2016, almost at the end of 3rd gen.
Like I said, I don't think groups debuting means we need to push the next gen back, if that were the case, we would be in an endless cycle of debuting, solidifying, and debuting again.
But that doesn’t mean the generation can’t end. These groups will continue to peak during 5th gen the same way 3rd gen groups peaked during 4th gen. Blackpink also debuted towards the end of 3rd gen for example. So really generations simply determine a certain time period and what groups belong to it, it has nothing to do with those groups trajectory or anything else. I feel like in kpop it’s become almost like a ‘tradition’ of some sort but it doesn’t actually help at anything.
Kpop stans not wanting groups to go global because they’ll become too successful is selfish. Like no your fave won’t be at inkigayo every week and that’s a good thing. I can’t wait to see how far these talented humans can go.
I know, right? It’s like saying BIPOC artists CAN’T go global, but we REALLY need more diverse faces in the global music scene. Despite being heavily influenced by Western pop music, K-pop has been showing the possibility of Asian artists (especially Eastern/Southeastern descendants) succeeding on the global stage.
For example, my all-time fave music groups (BLACKPINK and BTS) rarely go on “traditional” Korean TV anymore. They’re currently the world’s 2 biggest pop groups (in and outside of K-pop), so why wouldn’t they promote themselves on bigger, more global platforms?
For K-pop groups who are more internationally popular than in Korea, I get that they need to at least develop a solid fanbase in said country. However, I don’t really blame them for taking any opportunity that comes their way.
I started taking in the idea of 5th gen, then it clicked me that lessarafim and newjeans debuted last year only😂😂 also I'm sorry but I'm still not over 3rd generation😂💜
5th is gonna be interesting because it feels like more groups renew contracts and the amount of solo debutes and the idols getting younger. Then you will have groups with members in their 20s that are already close to renewal at an age where some just debute. Forget the 4th gen girl group war, thats gonna be insane
some kpop stans seem to forget that the generations don’t have a specific timeline just like general age generations. it’s the same thing how people debate what year makes you a millennials vs gen 3. realistically though the 4th gen IS going to end sooner than the 3rd gen just like 3rd gen ended sooner than 2nd gen did. generations in kpop are generally defined by a major shift in the industry, not just everyone following a trend like the retro movement but an overall shift in the general landscape of kpop. with the stark rise and international blowup of kpop and more and more groups being rushed out in the 4th gen it’s not a surprise that that shift is coming sooner than in past generations when only a handful of groups would debut each year and now you’ve got gallons of groups dumping out each year. with more groups, more options, more saturation we’re bound to get bigger changes faster. the 4th gen being “short” isn’t a bad thing. the only thing changing between a group being 4th or 5th gen is how stans will end up labeling their achievements.
I think it has already started , these new groups like Adya, 8turn, Xikers, and even tripleS have a different feel to them and I think that’s one of the signifying factors of a change in generations. I don’t fully understand the fans who are acting like 5th gen starting will make 4th gen irrelevant. 4th gen groups are still very much relevant and they will continue releasing music and I think that’s something fans need to remember. I also think it’s not too early for 5th gen to begin, it’s been around the same amount of time 3rd gen had. I can kinda see how some people aren’t ready for the change, but 5th gen is inevitable and if many are saying it’s starting now I think it’s something we just have to get used to 🤷🏻♀️ I’m one of the few it’s seems who is excited, but I can’t wait to see what this new era brings if 5th gen has for real started!
In terms of girl groups, the industry shake up last year with the monster rookies would normally be considered as "yeah, this is when the 5th generation came about" but other than NewJeans, the biggest players shaking things up were 4th gen survivalists. IVE and LE SSERAFIM has remnants of one of the biggest 4th gen groups in K-pop in their groups and (G)I-DLE has been one the faces of the 4th gen for a while now. No one can deny it was those groups who basically shifted K-pop on the path of a new direction. So I think the definition here is mirky, but if there ever was a time when we went "oh, everything's different now" it was last year. Perhaps NewJeans should be viewed as the first 5th Gen girl group, but I still think they didn't change the industry in a vacuum, so it seems an odd title to given them. They all were doing new things, but were also playing off each other at the same time. That said, if Babymonster suddenly took that title when NewJeans did the leg work, that seems a little off too? I don't know lol
Unless you are 1st Gen, none will ever evolve in a vacuum. I agree that NJ is that inter generational shift. Musically this discourse is pointless. But in terms of the ever more important market positioning of being the “first” that seems to be a high currency in kpop for reasons I don’t quite understand because they tend to really devalue the real meaning of “first”, perhaps it is a title worth fighting for. Who knows.
I agree, if people believe BM and boysnext door are 5th gen, the same should be said about the groups that debut'd last year, particularly newjeans. I think in 5 years that will probably end up being the consensus.
2023 is the start of 5th gen. cool how it’s being ushered in by boy groups too. people can say what they want about rookie groups just debuting in the past years but that’s just how the gens work. groups won’t stop debuting just cuz your faves are still on the rise. like you can’t tell me that ateez and xikers are in the same gen. 5th gen has started, whether we like it or not.
on the topic of holy trinity… i think it’s not applicable to 4th gen just cuz kpop is now more accessible to people all over the world. there will be more popular groups than others but i don’t think you can encapsulate them in a trinity. just because it was a pattern for gens 2 and 3, doesn’t mean it’s the same for the next gens. kpop has expanded more and more thanks to these two previous gens but stiffling a generation’s popularity to three groups just doesn’t do the groups in that gen justice.
i believe that when groups like newjeans, le sserafim, nmixx and ive debuted we truly started to see a shift in the scene, although they are still firmly set as 4th gen groups. next followed a bit of a transition period with debuts like xikers or 8turn (think of it as 4.5 gen) but with acts such as zb1, boynextdoor and babymonster debuting very soon i think we should be able to affirm them as the start of the new generation
i personally have mixed reactions regarding the start of 5th gen. like it makes sense it's gonna start but i also didnt like how it's gonna start by being told it does . maybe bc it's my first time witnessing a shift in the kpop scene but i usually see the generations as an organic shift of overall sound and culture of kpop, not bc it was said by news outlets idk. im p sure 2022 is where a shift happens and mostly bc it's from newjeans but then iirc lsf and nmixx debuted later than them but i still see them as 4th gen. so i feel like right now, it's gen 4.5 like how 2017-2018 is used to be gen 3.5. but then let's just see now with another way of debuts coming up this yr whether or not we can truly tell a new gen has started
I think that the only reason people are rushing to a next gen is to make their new fresh favs establish their records apart from active popular groups. But anyways NewJeans is a 4 gen group 🤷♀️ the current shift in kpop music sound means nothing it’s only a y2k trend which will end someday and all the groups will switch to another trend regardless of generation.
It takes more than a new sound to define A WHOLE GENERATION. How New Jeans popped up into the kpop scene created a big buzz. Because it was nothing they’ve seen before. Normally, in the world outside of kpop, this is how a new generation starts. Organically and internally driven, instead externally imposed from the outside by lines of years.
Simply put 3rd gen is still thriving and most are still reaching new heights, which makes it seem like the 4th gen is only halfway through. Twice, Blackpink, BTS, and SVT are still very successful worldwide and in Korea. Really I think the pandemic helped groups like EXO and BTS. For BTS in particular, 2020 was supposed to be their last tour as a group before the military and solo activities. The pandemic gave fans an extra album and 3 English songs. EXO was planning a big comeback with all the members (although Kai can't participate so I don't know what will happen). The pandemic made some of their military services seem short. Most members were done with it by the end of 2023 and they only have two more left. On the other hand 4th gen was definitely hurt by the pandemic. Some of these groups debuted without a crowd and had very limited interactions with fans since there were no tours or fan meets. And many groups disbanded in 4th gen.
You cannot just decide we're in the 5th gen now. Thats not how it works! Some mayor shifts in music has to take place. It's more like we're in the middle of 4th gen (4th gen focusing on noisemusic, accessibility through things like tikok and "uniqueness"). Usually big 3 will debut at least 1 girl group and 1 boy group in each gen and babymonster and SMs new boy group still haven't debut. Maybe after that we can see if we get closer to a gen change. It's absolutely not something that you just suddenly decide happened. It's not a set number of years in each gen either, that's never been how it happened.
10:36 pixy rinji just debuted like 5 months ago and there have already been a couple men banned from their tours for being super creepy towards her :( it’s so upsetting
the problem with trying to mix bgs and ggs in the same generation timeline is that they dont work the same and the markets are very different, even if 3rd gen started in 2012 with groups like exo, ggs like aoa and exid are still 2nd gen and until red velvet and every gg after we didn’t really consider a gg 3rd gen, and this has happened again in 4th gen, even if the gen is considered ti start in 2017-18 groups like gi-dle, izone and itzy were popular but never suppased the 3rd gen ggs, and it wasn’t until after the pandemic that new ggs started to chart and suppased 3rd gen and at the same time these started to disband or loose popularity, with this we really could consider the real start of 4th gen with groups like ive, aespa, new jeans… and probably baby monster who give the same vibes as this groups. another thing is that when a new generation start theres not only a change in top groups but also in concepts, sound and kpop in general, and this didn’t really happened in the start of the 4th gen for ggs, there was a natural evolution, just like in early 2nd gen to late 2nd gen, but the real change was the pandemic and the end of the 3rd gen leaders. so just in my opinion the 4th gen for ggs really started in 2020-21 and this year will see other groups like fifty fifty, baemon and more debut under 4th gen, and seeing the groups from early 4th gen almost all seem like senior like idle (who one member was in pd101 s1 and another was going to debut in bo) or izone who is disbanded at this point, and for itzy, they were the ones that really seem to start this gen for ggs but with their gradual loose of popularity and jyp debuting nmix this soon seemd that jyp really don’t care about them that much anymore (which is sad because i love itzy and they deserve better), in general we really need to wait to see what would happen, cause usually generations arent just choose by mnet to do mediaplay or to give my favs achivements that they woudnt have if they werent 4th gen (just like no one were arguing if bp or twice were 3rd gen or giving their 3rd gen récords because they broke real récords), a generation start when they suppased the old one, when the gp and koreans decide to change interest and when theres a real change in sound, visuals and market, i mean this is just my opinion and everyone can have their own
(Yeah I'm writing another comment) If you're so afraid of change, look at 3rd gen groups TWICE and Red Velvet. Technically they are 3rd gen groups, but they are still around and still relevant. TWICE is even in a golden era and is show NO signs of stopping. Change didn't effect them, they moved on with the times. So don't be afraid for your favorite groups. If the fanbase is there and their willingness to continue is also, they'll still be around. Didn't recently we got SNSD and Kara comebacks? So it's not a big deal.
i was thinking ever since i saw your upcoming video on 5th gen about why a new generation is starting and i came up with 2 reasons one is that 4th gen is over saturated so many groups have debuted in the 4th gen and there are too many top dogs in the industry who are 4th gen right now the second reason is that the groups debuting now are debuting in a post pandemic world so that makes the debuts of 2022 part of it kind of maybe and that’s all i’ve got 4th gen felt shorter 100% bc of the pandemic and time is going by so fast alsoooo because people weren’t even convinced 4th gen had started it made it feel even shorter because it took a long time for it to be accepted
Personally as someone who keeps denying 5th gen is starting , I admit , yes I am just scared of change tbh , I do understand why people think 5th gen is starting and alot of stuff has changed but I am just scared of such a big shift but I guess I'll have to get over it cause it's not like this is the first generation change and I especially started thinking maybe 5th gen really is starting when you compared iz*one to newjeans like they're so different
Before the video, I would have said "no way, 4th gen just started" but... wow not at all actually. Covid really messed up my perception of time. I'm re-thinking everything now and I'm starting to think that we're actually already in it ever since Newjeans debuted. I really felt a shift in sounds and concepts since they started in the whole industry. But people didn't really realize it yet. Maybe I'm wrong tho, I guess we still need a bit more time and Baemon's debut to figure out when it really started. But if it's not now, it's probably soon. It'll be before 2024 in any case. Wow. I feel old now. I started to get into kpop around the end of 3rd gen.
I think after newjeans debut I kinda felt like we were going on a different direction, not because they sound or look different itself, but a new direction like they don't fit with the other 4th gen groups so well, and maybe they are in a transition into the 5th generation. Also I have a feeling that with babymonster and other new groups debut we'll see how there are theoretically 4th gen are more like a middle ground, mostly the ones that sound "unique" among the 4th gen like newjeans. I am excited for the new generation and what they new things they have for us
i'm not shock if *5th gen* will start very soon for example, early *3rd gen* groups like spica, exid, aoa (2012), their music is different to groups who debuted from (2016-2017) just like twice, blackpink, weki meki, dreamcatcher just like in early *4th gen* (2018-2019) groups like iz*one, itzy, or (g)i-dle, their music is different to billlie, newjeans, fifty fifty who debuted lately every gen has a changes also from concept, style and music, maybe that's reason why ppl feels like we are in 4.5 gen era so the shift from a gen to another gen will happen naturally :>
I think the thing with 4th gen is that, some 3rd gen groups like BTS & black pink are still dominating with streams, album sales, even with award shows and all, so 3rd gen never really went away. Plus I agree there is no 4th gen leader because of the sheer volume of groups debuting, too much competition that one group starts out strong and then just fizzles away. Another problem with 4th gen is too much focus on numbers, companies are not trying to create groups for longevity and that is something 4th gen lacks. You see how other generations produced groups that even years after we still respect and remember them & their songs like SNSD, shinee, EXO, BTS, bigbang, TVXQ, 2NE1, TWICE…4th gen don’t have this, it’s all about numbers and faking popularity. Just because a video has 100m views doesn’t mean they are popular if most of those views are from ads or if an album tops with sales but has countless versions, or the premature push into luxury brand deals & western market, it all feels forced. This isn’t to say they don’t have good groups or potential, my fave 4th gen group is TXT. Main reason asides from their music is because their growth doesn’t seem forced, they’ve gone step by step, you know the saying “slow but steady wins the race” that’s the case with them and that’s why I feel they’ll have longevity.
as a kpop fan that was around during the transition from 3rd to 4th gen, there's just a feeling you get that makes you aware that the generation might end soon. i felt it with the start of the stray kids reality show, and last year there was a sort of finality that i felt when newjeans and le sserafim debuted. not that they were 5th gen, but that the 4th gen was likely ending soon. watching this video ~5 months after upload is interesting, considering as of now zerobaseone and RIIZE have debuted and are now considered to be the very first 5th gen groups.
For people saying x groups hasnt peaked yet, but for example looking at bts - i think we can clearnly say they reached their highest popularity in 2020-2021 - in the middle of 4th gen...the same with blackpink...also groups like New Jeans, Ive, Lesserarim- that are fairly new groups - are literally AT THE TOP so yeah...
Yeah Twice was not big when they first debuted. I used to ask ppl if they listened to Twice and nobody knew who they were! This was 2016/2017!! Can you imagine someone not knowing them in 2023? Lol
I whole heartedly believe 5th gen is starting, idk why people are saying "the 4th gen is just getting started" no honey it started 5-6 years ago😂 but whatever floats your boat i guess 🤷🏿♂️
Personally I get why people feel like it’s the start of a new gen but I don’t agree. I think while BAEMON is debuting a lil late they are a great sign that we are still in fourth gen since they are YGS fourth gen gg. I think we have one more year before 5th gen starts
If we are having to wait 6 to 7 years for YG to debut a group to “move on” to another generation, it won’t be another 6 years till the 5th, BAEMON is the start is the 5th generation if anything.
@@Taejiu vaild I don’t think it’s about being able to “move on” just more or less a good sign of a gen is the big 3 having a main boy/girl group to represent them :) but yeah there has been a shift in the air so fifth gen is definitely very close
Badmon debuted too late to be in the fourth generation. It seems the fourth gen started in 2020/2019, and it’s been 3-4 years from then. I think they are in the 5th generation but just at the start of it.
Tbh I felt like to the shift to 4th gen in 2018 was pushed by kpop companies to the media, just like MNet is doing for 5th gen. Back in 3rd gen, nobody was saying "Bigbang was the 2nd gen king of kpop" or "BTS is the 3rd gen nation's treasure" or "Twice is the 3rd gen nation's gg." They just were overall holders of the said titles. But when new groups had a hard time gaining traction since 3rd gen groups were so massively successful, suddenly we see companies pushing for 4th gen and then we now see that this and that group are the "4th gen leaders" "4th gen it boy/girl" "1st or faster 4th gen..." Etc. That's gonna be the same with 5th gen. Mnet is pushing for it to "set new records" and distance from the 4th gen.
5th gen starting makes sense for me as well, i was in 7th-8th grade when 4th gen started and am now turning 20 soon and entering my sophomore year of college. time has definitely passed, let the new gen start !! idk why new kpop stan’s are so scared for it to start !
I think it will always be defined by shifts, it really is just a feeling. I think right now is the perfect time for 5th gen to start as 4th gen has started and ended with their heavy hitters and the last few all debuted around the same time (Le sserafim, Newjeans) and there hasn't been any groups after them to get as popular now it's basically a year later and there are big groups coming but there's a clear time gap so it feels more like another shift rather than just more groups being added to 4th gen, especially because the boys planet group seem like they will be big and honestly we haven't had any majorly popular bgs for 4th gen in a while, so definitely the start of 5th gen happening with them makes sense to me. I think it confuses people because in past gens you saw the previous gen start to fade a bit as the new one got popular however some of the biggest kpop groups right now are still from 3rd gen, and it wasn't until later 4th gen (around 2020-2021) that we started getting so many 4th gen hits but I think this will just be a new normal with how global and popular kpop is now than back then. It isn't just solely reliant on how well groups are doing in south korea or asia anymore and more people means more fans that are gonna hold on and keep you popular. I think people will find it easier if they don't view 5th gen coming as a way of saying 3rd-4th gen is old or unimportant they're all still new and fresh and/or extremely popular and loved and 4th gen will probably be the same as 3rd gen still dominating while the 7th gen is debuting because that's just how it seems to be now. 4th gen still have plenty of time to grow I see it the way the later 3rd gen groups took a while to really become established (NCT especially for an sm group) so yea I think it's starting now but it's really just a title because all these groups are gonna remain popular for a long time.
Cool video once again! I agree we should embrace aging as well, and learn to simply appreciate the present more. At the end of the day, the "5th generation" is just a label, we decide how much power to give it. To add on to your point about change at @17:57, I think kpop fans are not only fearful of aging themselves, but also of their favorite groups aging as well. As a repercussion of aging, said groups may lose momentum in terms of popularity, not receive as many promotions from their company in favor of younger groups, splinter off with solo activities, or entirely disband. In the case of fans of boy groups, enlistment is also something that's always looming, and the potential effects enlistment may have on their favorite group.
idk i still think the shift will happen naturally and not like this year/this summer cuz i once read an article where they listed a few things you can notice when a new gen starts. first of all the current it girl and it boy would start shifting their careers (for example jennie the it girl of 3rd gen started promoting more overseas), but yeonjun and wonyoung are still active especially in korea but also international. second, you can really see a change in genre or concept (?), 3rd gen was more focused on vocals while the 4th gen is heavily focused on performance. i personally think that while new jeans had or still has a big impact on the kpop industry, they’re just trying out a new genre within the 4th. maybe they mark the end of the 4th gen but i think it’s around 2024/25 rather than this year. so groups like nj, xikers, baemon and boynextdoor just mark the final era of 4th before it shifts into 5th gen in around a year and a half i would say (they’re like late 4th gen groups)
lol again, 5th gen will happen naturally, like the others, not bc mnet n their paid kmedia say that 5th gen started is a fact 😂 even knetz still consider the groups debuting this year as 4th gen. I won't say which fandom is the one pushing this but they're just following everything mnet says like sheep lmao relax 😂 when did gen chance become so important
yeah I think I know what fandom are you talking about lmfao they are in every baemon twt saying "tHeY aRe 5th GeN aCcEpT iT" we all know that they just want their group to have all the titles of "1st 5th gen group in...." and not compete with the 4th gen 😭
another reason the 4th gen may feel short to people could be due to oversaturation or the amount of groups that are constantly debuting. lol nvm you mentioned that
3rd is the most boring, especially when it was only BTS, twice and red velvet consistently making noise, and bp making noise after 1 year or 2 years. 3rd gen is the lamest out of the 4. I hope no gen will ever follow 3rd gen. I hate that boring gen so much. Nugu mama 2019. 🤢
I believe the transition started with new jeans, they shook the kpop industry and took their debut strategy out of the comfort zone is it the fifth yet? idk but we're definitely transitioning
Whats the purpose of having these generations in kpop anyway? The purpose (if any) would define how each generation is delineated in a clear cut manner.
For real, we still on 4th Generation If all people in K-Pop follow the 8 year cycle, the 5th Generation is still yet to start Remember, 4th Generation start in 2020 2018-2019 is the Transition year, so group like (G)I-DLE, ITZY, TXT, Stray Kids, ATEEZ etc. is the part of 3rd Generation not 4th Generation
the fact that people say “WE can’t move on” is insane because WE don’t control it??? And the 4th gen doesn’t need US to find a main 3-4 groups when there’s so many standout groups(NEWJEANS, Le sserafim, Izone, æspa, itzy, skz, txt, fifty fifty, ive, etc.) As for the younger idols, man, just save my poor CHILDREN ATP…the fact that Yunjin & Sakura get sexualized while being in the same group as a 15 YEAR OLD just makes me feel weird because I feel like I can’t say “Oh Hanni looks so good and really pretty here” Another thing that is sad(and true imo) is the 3rd gen gg’S falling behind, so many people say twice is not sounding like twice anymore, Blackpink doesn’t enjoy music(but that’s true tbh), and red velvet is old and overdue which breaks my 2nd and 3rd gen heart! 😭
Same but I don't think 5th gen will start this year..maybe in 2025? At least 2024.. Lol I started stanning kpop in 2022 and y all talking aby 5th gen I feel old now
@@bthsjsidij yeah I think it might start late this year, or early 2024! Generations usually last 6-7 years so it will happen soon since the 4 gen started in 2017-18. I've been stanning kpop since 2017 so I have experienced the generation shift before! It can be very subtle and you might notice that it happened in hindsight! very excited for the 5th gen though!
My opinion is that if BoyNextDoor, xikers, and Baby Monster are going to be 5th gen, it seems like New Jeans should be as well. Maybe they’re 4.5, the way The Boyz, (G)-Idle, Iz*One, and maybe even Stray Kids are 3.5 (at least from my perspective). I think something we need to remember is that younger doesn’t automatically mean cooler, or that older groups can’t keep up with the times. 3rd gen BtoB’ s latest comeback feels super fresh, and HyunA (2nd gen) is easily one of the coolest artists in the industry. Also, I love that as idol groups become more mature, they have more creative and personal freedom (with the exception of groups still at the height of their popularity like BTS, Blackpink, and Twice, but even they get to speak their minds more than they did 5 years ago)
You said the 4th gen has been as long as previous generations, but we're around the 5th or 6th year of the 4th gen, and previous ones lasted a couple more years than that at least. I was thinking thst maybe it could make sense for it to be shorter if there were way more artists debuting, but I just looked at some lists of groups that debuted in the years 2011 (I counted 43), 2015 and 2022 (I counted 60 something for each). It seems that throughout 4th gen there hasn't been a huge increase in the number of artists debuting so that doesn't explain the shorter span.
Nah, the 3rd Generation only realistically lasted 5-6 years, meaning the 4th would be just as long, idk why I see people stretching out the third generation to make it seem longer than it was, cause I don't think that's true.
As my friend said, we're still in the 4th generation, and a new generation cannot start unless there's a bunch of big groups debuting. It's roughly after 7 years a new generation starts. So probably in 2024 maybe or whenever idk. But all I know is that 5th Gen hasn't start. And my friend has been a kpop stan since 2005
@@vee.3029 Well whether you like it or not. It's still the 4th generation. I trust what my friend says, because they're very knowledgeable on many different kpop things being a fan for so many years and seeing/noticing things.
@@jAyBCD1 your friend doesn't decide when a kpop generation starts, they're a singular person with no power lol anyone with common sense would realize a group of people with power in the industry saying when the generation is happening would be the actual decider
@@vee.3029 If you look at the different generations you'll notice how generations have started after roughly 7 years, plus a lot of big debuts happened at the start of each gen. Like in the 4th gen, gidle & skz debuted in the same year. Maybe you can say fromis too idk. The evidence is thwre, that's why I believe my friend.
I think 3rd generation being so popular globally made it to where 4th gen just doesn't feel like it ever had its own time to shine. 3rd gen basically eclipsed 4th gen's spotlight and COVID was basically the nail in the coffin.
There is no effing way 5th generation is starting no way bruh so like if the big companies debut grp doesn't equal to new generation some fans need to understand 💀 in this sense yg never had a 4th gen girl group representative nd its too fast to say 4th gen fell off or 4th gen don't have a leader it takes time to solidify urself in the industry look at bts it took them so long to solidify themselves this so called fans who say its 5th gen or smthing they just saying so bcs they want achievements nowadays ppl are more obsessed with achievements thn music they want their grp to become 1st at something and what's the better way thn to start a new generation fast that's just my take of why this is happening its like barely 6 years we haven't even given 4th gen proper chance to showcase their abilities we're still stuck with 3rd gen 3rd gen grps are still dominating 4th gen wasn't even given chance properly if 5th gen starts now 4th gen will be the most underappreciated nd mistreated generation like literally it would mean they got the short end of the stick of going global
13:29 THIS IS SO FREAKING TIRING! i love kpop but i need to focus on uni too and all and even just keeping up with new release (i gave up on watching the variety shows of idols that arent my ults) feels impossible. i like to digest music peacefully but there's always new music coming out before i could finish listening to the other ones... plus i want to listen to groups like fx and shinee, but its all so much! if nowadays they want to release music, then do what you want, but stop releasing music just because. it turns me off so much - this happened with skz & twice especially. i know that like skz have a ton of music on their laptop wainting to be released, but i really which they'd learn to better filter out their songs and focus on releasing the better ones. japanese releases are also overwhelming, but then you listen to them and its a blander poorer version of the group's sound, and feels like a waste of time and resources. these are all subjective thoughts i have, with a ton of generalizations during the rant, but as someone who enjoys diversifying their taste, giving every song and group a chance, and not sticking to the same groups always, it's frustrating being thrown all this music. most of the time, i just give up and ignore new releases, ending up listening to the songs i already know :/
This just doesn't make any sense. 3rd gen was till Dec 2017 so why is 4th gen ending in just 6 yrs?? Does this generation thing work according to members age?? It just seems like people want to throw Baemon at 5th gen because they know Baemon is gonna rule 4th gen despite debuting late
4th gen felt short also maybe because 3rd gen groups ruled the era......in 3rd gen if i am not wrong 2nd gen didn't overshadow them....exo,twice, blackpink,red velvet and later bts blew up and ruled their own respective generation but no 4th gen group overshadowed 3rd gen and ruled the era(yes some 4th gen groups are popular but not at the top)...... don't know what will happen but if bts comes back in 2025 and blackpink do not disband, twice also....then 5th gen will be the same and once again 3rd gen will be the talk of the town.
Honestly, to me, it felt like last year was the start of something new in Kpop. Maybe not a full-on 5th generation per se, but definitely a transition into it. IVE, Billlie, Le Sserafim, New Jeans, NMIXX, TripleS, etc. I think the debut of Baby Monster and some other highly anticipated groups this year will solidify 5th gen's arrival. I have been a fan of Kpop since 2009 and gens are really something you just feel (sometimes only in retrospect) and not something you take out the calendar to determine. Also, I don't feel like idols are getting younger. Previous gens had plenty of 14/15/16-year olds debuting. I'm not saying I like it, but it's nothing new. Hopefully with the new legislation passed companies will stop debuting kiddos that young and give them a chance to mature before putting them in such a public spotlight.
Loved the vid, I do have a qns tho. Do u think that as more young idols debut in the future, older ppl might feel weird abt listening or staining these grps due to fear of p*do accusations? And do u think that might negatively affect the industry. I’d like to see others’ opinions since I’m a young fan
Thank you for your video! I have read some of the comments with great interest, since I only started getting seriously into kpop in 2022 and still have a lot to learn. Hearing about the potential rise of a 5th gen, the first question that popped in my mind has been: what would be this 5th gen? Because from what I have read, all generations in kpop have been defined by their commercial and cultural impact: 1st gen started the kpop industry, 2nd gen made it into a major economical market, 3rd gen pushed kpop onto the international scene and 4th gen established kpop as a popular international music genre. So considering these observations, what could a 5th gen achieve more ? I genuinely don't hold the answer and I'm very excited to see if it eventually comes to me! Aside from the cultural and economical aspects, I do agree though that every kpop generation has its typical sounds and aesthetics. Considering this part of the analysis, I align with people saying that NewJeans could represent the start of a transition into 5th gen. Lastly, I also agree with the fact that the big kpop industries lead the way and them debuting new groups can surely mark the rise of a new gen - just like BigHit did when TxT debuted as the first "little brothers" of BTS (I am adding to this example that BigHit has launched a recruiting campaign for their next boy group at the beginning of 2023. We can maybe expect a new group in 2024-2025, which would indeed mark a 3rd step in BigHit's growth). As people said in the comments, History can only be defined once it happened: we can't know for sure yet if, and when a next generation will start - but in a few years, we'll be able to look back on our current situation and define what happened at this time. I'm excited to witness the kpop industrie's growth (I would personally also enjoy a slowing down in the industry, with less comebacks but more groups composing and producing their own music... It would be amazing and bring the industry to a whole other level of quality, raising artists and not only performers!)!
i wonder if another reason we’re seeing a rise in minors debuting has to do w/ c*vid bc i presume most companies weren’t taking in trainees at the time (correct me if im wrong) so by the time auditions were posted again the majority of ppl who COULD’VE been trainees & became idols now can’t bc they’re deemed as “too old”
BTS and Blackpink are clearly the leaders of their generation. Yes, there were other popular groups in their generation, but we can’t deny that these two are the leaders globally. Just look at the album charts, song hits, endorsements, TV guesting, social media following, etc.
Rn is barely the peak of 4th gen, I think aespa started 4th gen, and ive, newjeans, and leserafim peaked it, hasn't ended tho also I feel like the sound of groups like loona and idle fits the 3rd gen more so I won't call em 4th gen
@maniackoo well rn they are following the trend (kinda like how girls generation forever young sounds like a 4th gen song but they are not a 4th gen group) but if u look at idles earlier songs like put it straight, Hann, lion, or even the tropical bass Latata it fits way more 3rd gen than 4th gen to me, but that's just me
So here is my opinion, I’d be glad if anyone read it! I discovered K-pop around march of 2021, starting off with Blackpink. I then continued my journey with finding out about Red Velvet, then Itzy, then Dreamcatcher, then aespa and became a gg multistan. Now, I’m starting to discover boy groups as well. I’m so ready and exited for a generation change! I was alsways confused of this generation thing and always envious of all the stans who lived with the change of gens. BUT I also think, like said in this video, that there’s always a flowing change and we can only tell later. I’m sitting here with my tea and super ready to watch and see. I also think: 4th gen is special because it has sooo many leaders and interesting groups, and one of the biggest 4th groups you’d think of debuted only last year (IVE, lesserafim, newjeans etc etc.). I think like this: This new phase with more chill music (like ADYA, Fifty fifty, Newjeans) and more “meaningful” self-esteem boosting music (like Lesserafim, IVE, Newjeans-> this is different from self-loving music like Itzy and cignature did) could be the last phase of gen 4 (meaning we’ll probably start when it fades off again)or the START of gen 5 (meaning we’re actually in the flow between the gens right now). Both of them seem very logically possible for me, soo
plz excuse my poor english its not my first language T_T i will try my best to explain my point. as someone who has been kpop fan since 2009-2010 2nd gen's peak period, i just want to share that kpop generation has nothing to do with time period at all. its more about changes that we have experience and how group debuting after those changes have a certain shift in sounds, music, styling and fashion, themes and concepts, different gender politics, fan experience, fandom culture, new policies and tactics being used by kpop companies etc. the list goes on. I'm sure everyone agrees with the fact that ever since the pandemic started, the internet has literally changed. every day there's something new and people move on from one thing to another so freaking fast that they are spouting nonsense like their attention span has decreased more than goldfish. which is not true at all. the truth is somewhat different from what you keep hearing on the internet but this isnt a scientific discussion at all so i'll leave this topic here. the point is that internet becoming a big part of people's life in pandemic has changed the whole music industry and kpop is not an exception as well. tiktok became bigger than expected and artists started releasing music keeping tiktok virality in mind. weird sounding music getting recognition on different platforms for sounding "cool" or "hip" etc. on the top of that new trends in fashion, music and idol culture along with new movements to include people of different races, genders, sexuality etc. has also changed kpop industry as well. the inclusion of international fandoms by the help of technology and internet e.g. fan calls, online concerts, subtitled content etc. there are so many new changes ever since the panini happened you cant deny it. new fans arent aware of these changes bc there was an influx of new fans in 2019-2020 period, and they were late to the party.whether
There are no fixed time gaps between generation in kpop. When knetz and korean media notice a drift in kpop they declare a new generation. Which already happened in 2023 mid. We international fans have no say in this, so it's pointless to argue about generations. Also many groups including groups from big4 debuting in 2023 shows that even the kpop agencies have accept the begging of new generation. There are zerobaseone, baby monster, riize, bnd, lun8, kiss of life, xikers, adya, the wind, xodiac, evvne, tiot, dream academy debuting group etc.
For me, the stand out of 4th generation is Aespa's Next level - whether you love or hate the song, you can't deny it was a memorable and stark change in the industry. It could be that we might be at the beginning of the 5th generation of kpop with all the new fantastic girl groups that debuted last year, but at the same time I still think of them as 4th gen (lol, I don't know if I'm making any sense). I really wonder what's going to be the stand out moment for 5th generation!
Debuting young idols has always been a thing in the industry, we're just a lot more aware of it now. I still think it's messed up having 14 and even 13 year olds debut, but I don't think the industry will ever really do anything about it (at least for now). For example, the maknae of upcoming babymonster was literally 13 when the group was announced... I'm really worried for her mental health, stans are toxic af and can really do some damage, especially to younger idols. Also, I don't really want to stan a bunch of middle schoolers, it just feels weird.
Boy band stans don't like to hear this, but I think the "generations" are truly driven by girl group debuts. You have to ask, "what group or event has really come along that changed the sound, the style, and the landscape of the industry?" For example, most lists consider PSY releasing "Gagnam Style" in 2012 to be where 3rd Gen begins. I don't, I think he brought the 2nd Gen to the world. 3rd Gen began IMO in 2014 with (sadly) several highly publicized self-terminations and the debuts of Red Velvet and game-changers Mamamoo, includes BlackPink and IOI. 4th Gen began with the debuts of (G)i-dle, ITZY, AleXa, IZ*ONE, etc. and is still going on. No 5th yet!
Idols arent getting younger, big old groups like shinee, bigbang, 2ne1, and bts had 13-14 yr as maknaes, and momma boa was 13, I'm not saying it's right to debut minors, I'm just saying, lets not act as if this is new or getting younger
Anothee thing is that if people say that there is not leader? Well just think like this, if you check the leaders of 3rd gen were BTS and Blackpink, BP debut in 2016 and if 3rd gen ended by 2017, that means BP was just a rookie group when it was named "leader" of the gen. So is very hipocritical to say to think that groups like Itzy, SKZ, New Jeans, Ive, Ateez can't be leader because they debut no long ago.
A 4° geração só está no seu pico e essa "era" de transição do audiovisual apenas acabou, agora dá pra saber que "Nossa, é realmente 4ª geração, tem algo diferente"
Wow your prediction was right, Kpop debuting more younger girls is correct, we have that already and right now she is considered to be the youngest in the industry, Lim seowon of unis Korean age is 12 but globally she's 11 she's about to turn 13 this year of age(12 global) You were also right about a GG that was produced for social media content only like there song is so built for the platform of tiktok use its catchy, easy to follow steps, am not going to say there name I might get hate lol but man bravo 👏👏 amazing
I genuinely think 4th is my stopping point of care. 5th gen groups are going to be full of kids the end of 4th gen is already doing the most with ages it's not gonna get any better.
I’d say that one of the main differences between the third and fourth gen is that there were only a handful of extremely popular groups in the third gen, but the fourth gen is overall more popular broadly and think that is what makes the fourth gen different
Helps that the 4th had pretty much a 2 year gap where nothing knew really debuted and lots of groups silently disbanded, easy to focus on more groups… when there’s less of them capable of keep activities.
Yes, and I think there won't be groups that's extremely popular than the rest in the 4th.
@@choochoo8412 BTS and Blackpink are an anomaly their popularity can not be matched.
Tho its pretty saturated now, there are so MANY groups that people dont even notice / 'nugus'.
And social media+ globalization+ western recognition will obv result in the popularity that 4th gen is receiving now. Either itll keep getting popular or not
Someone said that the hallmark of 4th Gen is that they promote globally as a soon as they debut.
This too make sense, because 3rd Gen pierced the global market barrier (Don’t come at me with 2nd Gen please. I didn’t say FIRST, I said PIERCED. BROKE. PENETRATE).
I also think it’s sort of silly to try to say “hey the 5th gen starts now” it will happen naturally. When the shift from 3>>4 happened it wasn’t something we all collectively agreed on, it happened retrospectively
Fr I think it was around 2019 when everyone began to accept that 4th gen had started in 2017
Same with the 2>3 tho; usually there’s a pivotal group that kinda of locks one year (2005, 2012, 2018) but the groups that came close before this year are also grouped together.
@@zannatulsneha2400 but 4th gen started in 2018
@@jAyBCD1 it started at the last quarter of 2017 with the boyz because the boyz was still considered rookies in 2018.
@@jAyBCD1 it depends on who you ask, the date i heard go around a lot was Fromis_9's forming which was in 2017
I think one of the factors makes it hard to believe that 5th gen is actually starting is because 4th gen still feels so fresh, tho probably because the pandemic really mess up my sense of time 😅
Plus we had such a surge of gg's from bigger companies last year 🤡
That was exactly what I was thinking
I think 4th gen feels fresh because it actually is still quite fresh compared to how long it took between 2nd get and 3rd gen. The one thing that makes me reluctant to call this 5th gen is the fact that YG has not had a 4th gen GG yet and it feels incredibly weird having one of the original BIg3 not have a group for a certain gen...
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@@yonasco14 yeah
The 4th generation felt short also because 3rd generation defyed the 7 year curse. Most 2nd gen groups reduced/left the industry at the start or mid 3rd gen. However with the ending of the 7 year curse this would be the new norm!!! We are starting 5th Gen groups and still have brilliant 3rd gen groups who are not leaving. Which is a win win situation!!! Your music is what will define you❤
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@@HectorH-M yes
Well but we do feel that the 3rd gen is on it's last legs (solely speaking about my gg experience). It might not be obvious since some contracts still run until next year, but we lost Momoland and GWSN this year, a few groups are shaky and have to regroup like Loona, Mamamoo, WJSN or BB Girls. And the ones that are remaining don't do that many comebacks for a few years now. See Weki Meki, OMG, BP or fromis_9. I think Twice, Red Velvet and Dreamcatcher are the only ones that are still regularly active with at least 2 releases a year. I don't wanna call it but I think the next years it will thin out even more. That's fine and a few groups will forever be legendary and go on, but the time of the classic 3rd gen kpop is over.
@@moongirl8807 I feel like 4th gen girl groups are at a quicker death bed than some of the girl groups mentioned above. Due to over saturation of the golden era of girl groups... For instance Weeekly, Rocket Punch, Woo!aah seemed at some point like they will cement themselves in the industry....this was short lived.... Sadly one of my 4th Ulta group ITZY, Fifty-fifty are also losing significance and slowly being forgotten in the industry... Looking at the bigger picture at least the 3rd gen groups lived for an era.... Then technically focusing on the redebut of Dreamcatcher..I believe it's still a 4th gen group technically.... I'm so glad Twice, Manamoo(atleast for the next 2 years),Dreamcatcher are making continuous comebacks and Blackpink, Redvelvet are atleast touring ... I guess it's time to see if we will have another SNSD..... JUST NOTICED I RAMBLED 🤣🤣
@@knowlesknowles1356 no problem and yes yes yes, I definitely agree with all of that! I don't wanna call it but I don't see for example Cherry Bullet or Rocket Punch making it but that's just because there's so much out there rn.
I always see Dreamcatcher as true 3rd bc not only was Minx and so the members the most 3rd gen we could get, the Dreamcatcher debut was also still in that timeline. Also as taejiu said they just have this 3rd gen feel in everything they do. But you're not alone, I saw a surprising amount of new fans who thought they were 4th gen bc well that's when they took off around 2020 and even with a 4th gen look. So definitely I know where that comes from.
The way people are unironically calling Itzy a third Gen group and shoving all the older groups into 3rd Gen is funny to me because it’s the same thing that happened at the beginning or 3rd Gen because people don’t like change.
"Gidle is a third gen group"
But notice how this discourse really only happens between ggs, you never see bgs stans pushing this simply because there isn’t the “irrelevance by age” factor at play :(
@@Taejiu i think people think taht G-IDLE is a theird gen group is because they seem really mature for a fourth gen group. when me and my friends first joined we thought that G-IDLE were third gen
And also the people who call the Boyz 4th gen simply because they debuted in December 2017, when 4th gen started in 2018 😭
@@Taejiu they are a transition group like Exo and BTOB. 4th Gen crossover officially started in 2020 only now are we seeing the groups settle.
honestly, 5th gen starting makes sense. groups like 8turn, xikers, and now boynextdoor are all debuting with concepts and sounds that are completely different to groups like the boyz, stray kids, ateez, and txt. plus with some debuts last year from newjeans and fifty fifty, i felt like it pushed and influenced a new style of k-pop. with recent debuts, it feels quite fresh, colorful, bright, and have hints of y2k. the 4th gen didn’t really have this style until last year and since it’s becoming big, change doesn’t hurt! hopefully what i said makes sense
also a lot of aspects in the industry are changing like, idols are more ''free'' to ''date'', they can also were their tattooes in a somewhat free way, they can express themselves better too and be ''real'', also more minors coming to the scene and stuff like theres a lot of elements that you can see are different
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@@mikylejoubert8347 the boyz is 4th gen. they are the first group to debut in the 4th gen
Sorry, but what's different about their debut? Nothing new yet
I would still wait until this wave of y2k is over, btw the boy groups are also doing that style basically. I think that's still 4th gen but just the end of it. Baby Monster will probably be the same with a more laid back "street style" but when SM and Hybe are debuting their new groups that will probably be the early stage of 5th gen (although RUNEXT looks a bit like CSR so far so that would still be 4th gen). At the very latest when everyone starts debuting their international groups.
We can't say it now anyway, when the gen is over we'll just know.
I can tell you're a college student because I'm literally never awake when you upload and we're in the same time zone 😅
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@@himaririku9254 fr
The thing is 3rd gen groups like blackpink and nct didn’t start getting super successful until around end of 2017 and early 2018 (especially nct). So the fact that 3rd gen groups were still thriving and getting more and more popular while 4th gen was beginning might confuse some people timeline wise. Another reason as to why people think it passed so quickly is because 4th gen groups have started having real success only the past year. Next level was the very first actual 4th gen hit and since then we’ve had love dive, after like, tomboy, hype boy (all of which are very recent) so I guess some fans think it’s too soon to move onto a new gen when 4th gen are finally establishing themselves
Are you forgetting Wannabe?
@@Paradoxious blue hour and gods menu too
@@peppasfrontface_ Not sure about blue hour, but gods menu yea.
the very first 4th gen hits were made by skz and TXT, next level was on 2021
@@Paradoxious blue hour was all over tiktok and it was kind of viral and a very known song during pandemic, a very rich year for kpop
Part of the reason I feel like we’re still in 4th gen right now is because I haven’t felt that heavy shift yet, it’s a feeling I don’t know how to describe but I remember in the transition from 3rd to 4th a big sign to me were the debuts of TXT and Itzy. At that time it was BigHit’s first group after the explosion of BTS and JYP’s first girl group after Twice’s takeover. It was like a feeling of “oh hey these companies are pushing out the new wave”. I don’t think we’ll get that feeling of little sister and brother groups debuting again in new generations because of just how close groups from the same companies are debuting. I think I’ll start feeling that same shift when LOUD and BabyMonster début since JYP hasn’t had a boy group (Xdinary Hero’s is a band so I’m not counting them in the boy group sphere in the same way SKZ is) in awhile and YG hasn’t had a new gg for even longer so I think the shift will start hitting a lot harder during those debuts.
it takes around 3 years for a generation to settle, 2016 was a key year to the ending of 2nd gen.
I get what you’re saying and it’s hard to explain. There hasn’t really been that transition from 4th to 5th yet. I know generations in kpop happen gradually, but there’s usually that drastic wave that lets you KNOW that you’re in a new generation. To me it just feels like hasn’t happened yet.
How can you not? The shift started with newjeans. Its 5th gen whether yall like it or not. Its been years already move on
@@vampr3751 nah..nj is 4th gen still
@@Burn143Obviously you won't feel the shift now, like people only felt the shift from 3rd gen to 4th gen in 2020-2021 despite the 4th gen starting in 2018 , in 2/3 years time we might feel the 5th gen wave and people will realise the 5th gen started around now just like people finally acknowledging that the 4th gen started in 2018
I feel like in the future, we’ll know when 5th generation starts. During the pandemic, I remember watching videos explaining the different generations and what terrines them but one thing I will always remember is that it takes time for fans to know when the beginning of a new generation happens. One of the best examples is from 2nd to 3rd generation where majority of K-pop fans weren’t aware that a shift occurred during that time but now looking back at it in the future, many people have came to the consensus that Exo debuting was the beginning of the 3rd gen but at the time we didn’t know that. We didn’t realize that a new gen started cause we need the time to differentiate the generations. For 4th gen, I believe that (G)-Idle and Izone debuting was the beginning of 4th gen because that is when we see the shift of direction in music style. For me it’s incredibly hard to say that (G)-Idle or Izone are in the 3rd generation now but it’s important to remember that when they debuted they were considered 3rd gen groups. Like Izone wasn’t 4th gen until after they disbanded when people realized that the shift began with them. And I think the same thing will happen with 5th gen. We can’t say when it’ll start because we’ll have to see what differentiates 4th and 5th gen. Who knows, maybe New Jeans will become the start of 5th gen in the future if we see more of a Y2K or softer concept compared to the heavy teen crush we saw in 4th gen, which I have a feeling is where we’re heading. Anyways, thank you for reading this far of you did 😊😊
Being a 3rd gen fan bro i feel so old 😂
Same 💀
How much more us that started to listen during 2nd gen??? Don't worry, you will get used to it... We ain't getting younger.
I’m staying in the 3rd gen 😩
Anything above that just doesn’t catch my attention
I’m kinda at the point where I feel the 5th gen will launch with groups such as BoyNextDoor, ZB1 and BabyMonster. I feel those groups are gonna be the starters!
Why does it feel like the actual 4th generation just started. I feel like we just peaked 4th gen now with the recent girl groups leading
exactly i agree
Because of pandemic.. it messed up the time line
I agree I believe this year is prime 4th gen or perhaps the start of late 4th gen
Because it did and whoever made this video is waaaaay too eager to jumpy the gun for the sake of a clickbait conversation piece
@@OGseoulite Ding ding ding.
It seems Generations are getting short and shorter... it is quite interesting to see in Kpop. 1st Gen was 10 years, 2nd Gen was 8 years (with the debut of TVXQ), 3rd Gen was about 6 years (with the debut of B.A.P. and EXO), and then 4th Gen is now in it 5th year now. Isn't that interesting to see. People say the Golden Years of Kpop was back during 2nd Gen, and yet that Gen didn’t even last a decade like first Gen did. It is quite interesting to see Kpop stans react to this change.
5th Gen is still a question mark for me. I see all of these outlets say they are gonna make their 5th Gen groups, and I am thinking to myself, "Okay, if they are gonna make these idols 5th Gen what are these companies gonna do that will completely distinguish 5th Gen from any other 4th Gen K-pop Group?" 4th Gen is very loud, bratty, and in your face, yet can be refreshing, fun, and beautiful. Not only that, but there is much more of a focus on stage presence and idol chemistry than there is with any other generation. 4th Gen has set its foundation on what it sounds like and what comes with it. People are just feeling comfortable with 4th Gen (and losing 2 years of your life, and being stuck at home). It seems like time just flies by. I do hope you are right, Taejiu, and we are in 5th Gen, but I just don't know yet. However, I will be fascinated to see what happens when these new groups debut.
A lot of people still get confused because boy groups have their generations a couple years earlier than girl groups. You'd think after 3 full turns fans both old and new would have wised up, right.
So yeah, right about this time those eager for attention start talking about 5th gen. Like clockwork.
Also, what group are you basing as the start of 1st gen? And what group exactly is it that defines the start of 4th gen, cutting 3rd gen short? Why didn't 3rd gen last 7, or even 8 years also?
See, all you really did was define 2nd gen (and even that is arguable), then arbitrarily claimed that 1st lasted longer, and 3rd shorter. Or?
it doesn't matter if the 2nd gen was ''short'', it was a unique era
In my personal opinion, 4th gen hasn’t ended yet. The last wave of groups have yet to debut and solidify that end (if that makes sense). I call them “transitional” groups. Those groups could either be stuck between two generations or be the last ones before a switch off to the new era. I do think 4th gen will end around the next year or so.
It’s tricky because generations in kpop aren’t really cut and clear, they happen gradually, so maybe that’s why people in general may be confused. However, I believe when 4th generation ends and the 5th starts, fans will just KNOW. Just like the switch from 3rd to fourth. Right now, there isn’t a majority and fans cannot come to an agreement; it’s still a split debate.
I like your videos. Also the ending lmao, we all saw that coming, YG wasn’t fooling anyone.😂
I feel like kpop stans aren't ready for the 5th generation. Haven't y'all felt the shift in music since LSF and NWJS?. Even before them. We can count Fifty Fifty, Kep1er, IVE, TripleS and NMIXX in.
There are many changes in concepts and sound. You can't tell me ITZY has the same sound/styling as LE SSERAFIM (they don't have the same concepts but production wise).
HYBE is planning to debut more groups (Source Music, Ador, Pledis Trainee Auditions) and soon BOYNEXTDOOR is debuting. JYP will probably debut a new group called LOUD, YG Baby Monster and SM also a girl group, soon.
I feel like the start of 5th gen is veery soon, sooner than we think.
But again,
Is it really important which generation our faves are? I mean, no one's going to call you old for stanning (G)-IDLE, ITZY, Stray Kids, TXT etc.
But yeah, i might edit this later, since i'm on the way to school♡ thanks for listening to my ted talk
I think the issue is, if you include Ive as 5th gen, 4th gen only lasted 4 years, thats half the length of 2nd gen and almost a third of the time of 1st gen. I agree though that Nmixx/ive/newjeans/fifty, etc all shifted in music. Feels more like 2018-2021 is 4th gen, and 2021-2023 is 4.5.
All the groups u mention r gonna be 5-6 years old next year, they’re gonna be old like twice in 2020-2021
I wouldn't say we're entering 5th gen yet. NewJeans, IVE, and Le Sserafim all just got started, and they're all firmly 4th gen. They'll dominate the space for a little while, I think. Maybe next year or the year after that?
Yeah like they are just rookies , how can we make them seniors so soon😂
But NJ, IVE and LSF didn't start the 4th gen even if they're at the center of it now. Groups like Itzy, TXT, Aespa, Iz*one and (G)-Idle did, and it's been a long time since they were considered rookies. Even then, Blackpink, who could be considered the leader of 3rd gen GGs, debuted in 2016, almost at the end of 3rd gen.
@@tsukimilo true also it was in 2018 so ,it’s like many years , it’s 5th gen now
Like I said, I don't think groups debuting means we need to push the next gen back, if that were the case, we would be in an endless cycle of debuting, solidifying, and debuting again.
But that doesn’t mean the generation can’t end. These groups will continue to peak during 5th gen the same way 3rd gen groups peaked during 4th gen. Blackpink also debuted towards the end of 3rd gen for example. So really generations simply determine a certain time period and what groups belong to it, it has nothing to do with those groups trajectory or anything else. I feel like in kpop it’s become almost like a ‘tradition’ of some sort but it doesn’t actually help at anything.
Kpop stans not wanting groups to go global because they’ll become too successful is selfish. Like no your fave won’t be at inkigayo every week and that’s a good thing. I can’t wait to see how far these talented humans can go.
I know, right? It’s like saying BIPOC artists CAN’T go global, but we REALLY need more diverse faces in the global music scene. Despite being heavily influenced by Western pop music, K-pop has been showing the possibility of Asian artists (especially Eastern/Southeastern descendants) succeeding on the global stage.
For example, my all-time fave music groups (BLACKPINK and BTS) rarely go on “traditional” Korean TV anymore. They’re currently the world’s 2 biggest pop groups (in and outside of K-pop), so why wouldn’t they promote themselves on bigger, more global platforms?
For K-pop groups who are more internationally popular than in Korea, I get that they need to at least develop a solid fanbase in said country. However, I don’t really blame them for taking any opportunity that comes their way.
I started taking in the idea of 5th gen, then it clicked me that lessarafim and newjeans debuted last year only😂😂 also I'm sorry but I'm still not over 3rd generation😂💜
5th is gonna be interesting because it feels like more groups renew contracts and the amount of solo debutes and the idols getting younger. Then you will have groups with members in their 20s that are already close to renewal at an age where some just debute. Forget the 4th gen girl group war, thats gonna be insane
some kpop stans seem to forget that the generations don’t have a specific timeline just like general age generations. it’s the same thing how people debate what year makes you a millennials vs gen 3. realistically though the 4th gen IS going to end sooner than the 3rd gen just like 3rd gen ended sooner than 2nd gen did. generations in kpop are generally defined by a major shift in the industry, not just everyone following a trend like the retro movement but an overall shift in the general landscape of kpop. with the stark rise and international blowup of kpop and more and more groups being rushed out in the 4th gen it’s not a surprise that that shift is coming sooner than in past generations when only a handful of groups would debut each year and now you’ve got gallons of groups dumping out each year. with more groups, more options, more saturation we’re bound to get bigger changes faster. the 4th gen being “short” isn’t a bad thing. the only thing changing between a group being 4th or 5th gen is how stans will end up labeling their achievements.
I think it has already started , these new groups like Adya, 8turn, Xikers, and even tripleS have a different feel to them and I think that’s one of the signifying factors of a change in generations.
I don’t fully understand the fans who are acting like 5th gen starting will make 4th gen irrelevant. 4th gen groups are still very much relevant and they will continue releasing music and I think that’s something fans need to remember. I also think it’s not too early for 5th gen to begin, it’s been around the same amount of time 3rd gen had. I can kinda see how some people aren’t ready for the change, but 5th gen is inevitable and if many are saying it’s starting now I think it’s something we just have to get used to 🤷🏻♀️
I’m one of the few it’s seems who is excited, but I can’t wait to see what this new era brings if 5th gen has for real started!
I didn't realize how different early 4th gen groups were from the more recent groups until watching this. It's wild
In terms of girl groups, the industry shake up last year with the monster rookies would normally be considered as "yeah, this is when the 5th generation came about" but other than NewJeans, the biggest players shaking things up were 4th gen survivalists. IVE and LE SSERAFIM has remnants of one of the biggest 4th gen groups in K-pop in their groups and (G)I-DLE has been one the faces of the 4th gen for a while now. No one can deny it was those groups who basically shifted K-pop on the path of a new direction. So I think the definition here is mirky, but if there ever was a time when we went "oh, everything's different now" it was last year. Perhaps NewJeans should be viewed as the first 5th Gen girl group, but I still think they didn't change the industry in a vacuum, so it seems an odd title to given them. They all were doing new things, but were also playing off each other at the same time. That said, if Babymonster suddenly took that title when NewJeans did the leg work, that seems a little off too? I don't know lol
Unless you are 1st Gen, none will ever evolve in a vacuum. I agree that NJ is that inter generational shift. Musically this discourse is pointless. But in terms of the ever more important market positioning of being the “first” that seems to be a high currency in kpop for reasons I don’t quite understand because they tend to really devalue the real meaning of “first”, perhaps it is a title worth fighting for. Who knows.
I agree
Newjeans if considered 4th gen should at least be considered the starters of 5th gen or something. Their concept was different.
I agree, if people believe BM and boysnext door are 5th gen, the same should be said about the groups that debut'd last year, particularly newjeans. I think in 5 years that will probably end up being the consensus.
I agree, if we’re saying 5th gen started then it definitely started with newjeans
2023 is the start of 5th gen. cool how it’s being ushered in by boy groups too. people can say what they want about rookie groups just debuting in the past years but that’s just how the gens work. groups won’t stop debuting just cuz your faves are still on the rise.
like you can’t tell me that ateez and xikers are in the same gen. 5th gen has started, whether we like it or not.
on the topic of holy trinity… i think it’s not applicable to 4th gen just cuz kpop is now more accessible to people all over the world. there will be more popular groups than others but i don’t think you can encapsulate them in a trinity. just because it was a pattern for gens 2 and 3, doesn’t mean it’s the same for the next gens. kpop has expanded more and more thanks to these two previous gens but stiffling a generation’s popularity to three groups just doesn’t do the groups in that gen justice.
Even MNet said itself this year is the beginning of KPop 5th gen.
i believe that when groups like newjeans, le sserafim, nmixx and ive debuted we truly started to see a shift in the scene, although they are still firmly set as 4th gen groups. next followed a bit of a transition period with debuts like xikers or 8turn (think of it as 4.5 gen) but with acts such as zb1, boynextdoor and babymonster debuting very soon i think we should be able to affirm them as the start of the new generation
i personally have mixed reactions regarding the start of 5th gen. like it makes sense it's gonna start but i also didnt like how it's gonna start by being told it does . maybe bc it's my first time witnessing a shift in the kpop scene but i usually see the generations as an organic shift of overall sound and culture of kpop, not bc it was said by news outlets idk.
im p sure 2022 is where a shift happens and mostly bc it's from newjeans but then iirc lsf and nmixx debuted later than them but i still see them as 4th gen. so i feel like right now, it's gen 4.5 like how 2017-2018 is used to be gen 3.5.
but then let's just see now with another way of debuts coming up this yr whether or not we can truly tell a new gen has started
I think that the only reason people are rushing to a next gen is to make their new fresh favs establish their records apart from active popular groups.
But anyways NewJeans is a 4 gen group 🤷♀️ the current shift in kpop music sound means nothing it’s only a y2k trend which will end someday and all the groups will switch to another trend regardless of generation.
It takes more than a new sound to define A WHOLE GENERATION. How New Jeans popped up into the kpop scene created a big buzz. Because it was nothing they’ve seen before. Normally, in the world outside of kpop, this is how a new generation starts. Organically and internally driven, instead externally imposed from the outside by lines of years.
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Simply put 3rd gen is still thriving and most are still reaching new heights, which makes it seem like the 4th gen is only halfway through. Twice, Blackpink, BTS, and SVT are still very successful worldwide and in Korea. Really I think the pandemic helped groups like EXO and BTS. For BTS in particular, 2020 was supposed to be their last tour as a group before the military and solo activities. The pandemic gave fans an extra album and 3 English songs. EXO was planning a big comeback with all the members (although Kai can't participate so I don't know what will happen). The pandemic made some of their military services seem short. Most members were done with it by the end of 2023 and they only have two more left. On the other hand 4th gen was definitely hurt by the pandemic. Some of these groups debuted without a crowd and had very limited interactions with fans since there were no tours or fan meets. And many groups disbanded in 4th gen.
You cannot just decide we're in the 5th gen now. Thats not how it works! Some mayor shifts in music has to take place. It's more like we're in the middle of 4th gen (4th gen focusing on noisemusic, accessibility through things like tikok and "uniqueness"). Usually big 3 will debut at least 1 girl group and 1 boy group in each gen and babymonster and SMs new boy group still haven't debut. Maybe after that we can see if we get closer to a gen change. It's absolutely not something that you just suddenly decide happened. It's not a set number of years in each gen either, that's never been how it happened.
10:36 pixy rinji just debuted like 5 months ago and there have already been a couple men banned from their tours for being super creepy towards her :( it’s so upsetting
the problem with trying to mix bgs and ggs in the same generation timeline is that they dont work the same and the markets are very different, even if 3rd gen started in 2012 with groups like exo, ggs like aoa and exid are still 2nd gen and until red velvet and every gg after we didn’t really consider a gg 3rd gen, and this has happened again in 4th gen, even if the gen is considered ti start in 2017-18 groups like gi-dle, izone and itzy were popular but never suppased the 3rd gen ggs, and it wasn’t until after the pandemic that new ggs started to chart and suppased 3rd gen and at the same time these started to disband or loose popularity, with this we really could consider the real start of 4th gen with groups like ive, aespa, new jeans… and probably baby monster who give the same vibes as this groups. another thing is that when a new generation start theres not only a change in top groups but also in concepts, sound and kpop in general, and this didn’t really happened in the start of the 4th gen for ggs, there was a natural evolution, just like in early 2nd gen to late 2nd gen, but the real change was the pandemic and the end of the 3rd gen leaders. so just in my opinion the 4th gen for ggs really started in 2020-21 and this year will see other groups like fifty fifty, baemon and more debut under 4th gen, and seeing the groups from early 4th gen almost all seem like senior like idle (who one member was in pd101 s1 and another was going to debut in bo) or izone who is disbanded at this point, and for itzy, they were the ones that really seem to start this gen for ggs but with their gradual loose of popularity and jyp debuting nmix this soon seemd that jyp really don’t care about them that much anymore (which is sad because i love itzy and they deserve better), in general we really need to wait to see what would happen, cause usually generations arent just choose by mnet to do mediaplay or to give my favs achivements that they woudnt have if they werent 4th gen (just like no one were arguing if bp or twice were 3rd gen or giving their 3rd gen récords because they broke real récords), a generation start when they suppased the old one, when the gp and koreans decide to change interest and when theres a real change in sound, visuals and market, i mean this is just my opinion and everyone can have their own
You are honestly one of the most respectful Ktubers, love your videos, I've officially subscribed
4th Generation is from January 1, 2019 to December 31, 2025.Already 5th?
(Yeah I'm writing another comment)
If you're so afraid of change, look at 3rd gen groups TWICE and Red Velvet. Technically they are 3rd gen groups, but they are still around and still relevant. TWICE is even in a golden era and is show NO signs of stopping. Change didn't effect them, they moved on with the times. So don't be afraid for your favorite groups. If the fanbase is there and their willingness to continue is also, they'll still be around. Didn't recently we got SNSD and Kara comebacks? So it's not a big deal.
i was thinking ever since i saw your upcoming video on 5th gen about why a new generation is starting and i came up with 2 reasons one is that 4th gen is over saturated so many groups have debuted in the 4th gen and there are too many top dogs in the industry who are 4th gen right now the second reason is that the groups debuting now are debuting in a post pandemic world so that makes the debuts of 2022 part of it kind of maybe and that’s all i’ve got 4th gen felt shorter 100% bc of the pandemic and time is going by so fast alsoooo because people weren’t even convinced 4th gen had started it made it feel even shorter because it took a long time for it to be accepted
Personally as someone who keeps denying 5th gen is starting , I admit , yes I am just scared of change tbh , I do understand why people think 5th gen is starting and alot of stuff has changed but I am just scared of such a big shift but I guess I'll have to get over it cause it's not like this is the first generation change and I especially started thinking maybe 5th gen really is starting when you compared iz*one to newjeans like they're so different
Before the video, I would have said "no way, 4th gen just started" but... wow not at all actually. Covid really messed up my perception of time.
I'm re-thinking everything now and I'm starting to think that we're actually already in it ever since Newjeans debuted. I really felt a shift in sounds and concepts since they started in the whole industry. But people didn't really realize it yet.
Maybe I'm wrong tho, I guess we still need a bit more time and Baemon's debut to figure out when it really started. But if it's not now, it's probably soon. It'll be before 2024 in any case.
Wow. I feel old now. I started to get into kpop around the end of 3rd gen.
I think after newjeans debut I kinda felt like we were going on a different direction, not because they sound or look different itself, but a new direction like they don't fit with the other 4th gen groups so well, and maybe they are in a transition into the 5th generation. Also I have a feeling that with babymonster and other new groups debut we'll see how there are theoretically 4th gen are more like a middle ground, mostly the ones that sound "unique" among the 4th gen like newjeans. I am excited for the new generation and what they new things they have for us
i'm not shock if *5th gen* will start very soon
for example, early *3rd gen* groups like spica,
exid, aoa (2012), their music is different to groups
who debuted from (2016-2017) just like twice, blackpink, weki meki, dreamcatcher
just like in early *4th gen* (2018-2019) groups like iz*one, itzy, or (g)i-dle, their music is different to billlie, newjeans, fifty fifty who debuted lately
every gen has a changes also from concept,
style and music, maybe that's reason why ppl
feels like we are in 4.5 gen era
so the shift from a gen to
another gen will happen naturally :>
I’ve been a Kpop listener since 2nd and you can tell the difference in sounds from each generation
I think the thing with 4th gen is that, some 3rd gen groups like BTS & black pink are still dominating with streams, album sales, even with award shows and all, so 3rd gen never really went away. Plus I agree there is no 4th gen leader because of the sheer volume of groups debuting, too much competition that one group starts out strong and then just fizzles away. Another problem with 4th gen is too much focus on numbers, companies are not trying to create groups for longevity and that is something 4th gen lacks. You see how other generations produced groups that even years after we still respect and remember them & their songs like SNSD, shinee, EXO, BTS, bigbang, TVXQ, 2NE1, TWICE…4th gen don’t have this, it’s all about numbers and faking popularity. Just because a video has 100m views doesn’t mean they are popular if most of those views are from ads or if an album tops with sales but has countless versions, or the premature push into luxury brand deals & western market, it all feels forced. This isn’t to say they don’t have good groups or potential, my fave 4th gen group is TXT. Main reason asides from their music is because their growth doesn’t seem forced, they’ve gone step by step, you know the saying “slow but steady wins the race” that’s the case with them and that’s why I feel they’ll have longevity.
as a kpop fan that was around during the transition from 3rd to 4th gen, there's just a feeling you get that makes you aware that the generation might end soon. i felt it with the start of the stray kids reality show, and last year there was a sort of finality that i felt when newjeans and le sserafim debuted. not that they were 5th gen, but that the 4th gen was likely ending soon.
watching this video ~5 months after upload is interesting, considering as of now zerobaseone and RIIZE have debuted and are now considered to be the very first 5th gen groups.
Over saturation is hard, so many groups just disband because of how competitive it is. It’s sad.
For people saying x groups hasnt peaked yet, but for example looking at bts - i think we can clearnly say they reached their highest popularity in 2020-2021 - in the middle of 4th gen...the same with blackpink...also groups like New Jeans, Ive, Lesserarim- that are fairly new groups - are literally AT THE TOP so yeah...
Yeah Twice was not big when they first debuted. I used to ask ppl if they listened to Twice and nobody knew who they were! This was 2016/2017!! Can you imagine someone not knowing them in 2023? Lol
My one question .
Why this "generation" thing even exist. Haven't seen such things in any other music industry😅😅😅
Btw
Really great video.🎉
Thanks for making this video, the way you touched on all these different factors made me feel a lot less reluctant about the 5th gen approaching 😄
I whole heartedly believe 5th gen is starting, idk why people are saying "the 4th gen is just getting started" no honey it started 5-6 years ago😂 but whatever floats your boat i guess 🤷🏿♂️
Personally I get why people feel like it’s the start of a new gen but I don’t agree. I think while BAEMON is debuting a lil late they are a great sign that we are still in fourth gen since they are YGS fourth gen gg. I think we have one more year before 5th gen starts
If we are having to wait 6 to 7 years for YG to debut a group to “move on” to another generation, it won’t be another 6 years till the 5th, BAEMON is the start is the 5th generation if anything.
@@Taejiu vaild I don’t think it’s about being able to “move on” just more or less a good sign of a gen is the big 3 having a main boy/girl group to represent them :) but yeah there has been a shift in the air so fifth gen is definitely very close
Badmon debuted too late to be in the fourth generation. It seems the fourth gen started in 2020/2019, and it’s been 3-4 years from then. I think they are in the 5th generation but just at the start of it.
I think 5th gen should start in 2025 idk why
@@Thesilentvoice...4th gen started in late of 2017.. If year wise, 2018
Tbh I felt like to the shift to 4th gen in 2018 was pushed by kpop companies to the media, just like MNet is doing for 5th gen. Back in 3rd gen, nobody was saying "Bigbang was the 2nd gen king of kpop" or "BTS is the 3rd gen nation's treasure" or "Twice is the 3rd gen nation's gg." They just were overall holders of the said titles. But when new groups had a hard time gaining traction since 3rd gen groups were so massively successful, suddenly we see companies pushing for 4th gen and then we now see that this and that group are the "4th gen leaders" "4th gen it boy/girl" "1st or faster 4th gen..." Etc. That's gonna be the same with 5th gen. Mnet is pushing for it to "set new records" and distance from the 4th gen.
5th gen starting makes sense for me as well, i was in 7th-8th grade when 4th gen started and am now turning 20 soon and entering my sophomore year of college. time has definitely passed, let the new gen start !! idk why new kpop stan’s are so scared for it to start !
I think it will always be defined by shifts, it really is just a feeling. I think right now is the perfect time for 5th gen to start as 4th gen has started and ended with their heavy hitters and the last few all debuted around the same time (Le sserafim, Newjeans) and there hasn't been any groups after them to get as popular now it's basically a year later and there are big groups coming but there's a clear time gap so it feels more like another shift rather than just more groups being added to 4th gen, especially because the boys planet group seem like they will be big and honestly we haven't had any majorly popular bgs for 4th gen in a while, so definitely the start of 5th gen happening with them makes sense to me.
I think it confuses people because in past gens you saw the previous gen start to fade a bit as the new one got popular however some of the biggest kpop groups right now are still from 3rd gen, and it wasn't until later 4th gen (around 2020-2021) that we started getting so many 4th gen hits but I think this will just be a new normal with how global and popular kpop is now than back then. It isn't just solely reliant on how well groups are doing in south korea or asia anymore and more people means more fans that are gonna hold on and keep you popular. I think people will find it easier if they don't view 5th gen coming as a way of saying 3rd-4th gen is old or unimportant they're all still new and fresh and/or extremely popular and loved and 4th gen will probably be the same as 3rd gen still dominating while the 7th gen is debuting because that's just how it seems to be now. 4th gen still have plenty of time to grow I see it the way the later 3rd gen groups took a while to really become established (NCT especially for an sm group) so yea I think it's starting now but it's really just a title because all these groups are gonna remain popular for a long time.
Cool video once again! I agree we should embrace aging as well, and learn to simply appreciate the present more. At the end of the day, the "5th generation" is just a label, we decide how much power to give it.
To add on to your point about change at @17:57, I think kpop fans are not only fearful of aging themselves, but also of their favorite groups aging as well. As a repercussion of aging, said groups may lose momentum in terms of popularity, not receive as many promotions from their company in favor of younger groups, splinter off with solo activities, or entirely disband. In the case of fans of boy groups, enlistment is also something that's always looming, and the potential effects enlistment may have on their favorite group.
I would say that 5th generation starts late 2023/2024... i think it's still a bit too early but a lot of new groups are debuting soon😅
idk i still think the shift will happen naturally and not like this year/this summer cuz i once read an article where they listed a few things you can notice when a new gen starts. first of all the current it girl and it boy would start shifting their careers (for example jennie the it girl of 3rd gen started promoting more overseas), but yeonjun and wonyoung are still active especially in korea but also international. second, you can really see a change in genre or concept (?), 3rd gen was more focused on vocals while the 4th gen is heavily focused on performance. i personally think that while new jeans had or still has a big impact on the kpop industry, they’re just trying out a new genre within the 4th. maybe they mark the end of the 4th gen but i think it’s around 2024/25 rather than this year. so groups like nj, xikers, baemon and boynextdoor just mark the final era of 4th before it shifts into 5th gen in around a year and a half i would say (they’re like late 4th gen groups)
1000% agree
I agree with u!
totally agree
lol again, 5th gen will happen naturally, like the others, not bc mnet n their paid kmedia say that 5th gen started is a fact 😂 even knetz still consider the groups debuting this year as 4th gen. I won't say which fandom is the one pushing this but they're just following everything mnet says like sheep lmao relax 😂 when did gen chance become so important
yeah I think I know what fandom are you talking about lmfao they are in every baemon twt saying "tHeY aRe 5th GeN aCcEpT iT" we all know that they just want their group to have all the titles of "1st 5th gen group in...." and not compete with the 4th gen 😭
I think in the 5th gen english speaking idols will be the norm. More of a blend in english/korean lyrics
haha i don't think so! Every kpop idols don't speak english now and then because kpop is a korean market first
another reason the 4th gen may feel short to people could be due to oversaturation or the amount of groups that are constantly debuting. lol nvm you mentioned that
THE 3RD GENERATION WAS EVERYTHING, NOTHING CAN BEAT IT
1st*
3rd is the most boring, especially when it was only BTS, twice and red velvet consistently making noise, and bp making noise after 1 year or 2 years. 3rd gen is the lamest out of the 4. I hope no gen will ever follow 3rd gen. I hate that boring gen so much. Nugu mama 2019. 🤢
I believe the transition started with new jeans, they shook the kpop industry and took their debut strategy out of the comfort zone
is it the fifth yet? idk but we're definitely transitioning
Whats the purpose of having these generations in kpop anyway? The purpose (if any) would define how each generation is delineated in a clear cut manner.
For real, we still on 4th Generation
If all people in K-Pop follow the 8 year cycle, the 5th Generation is still yet to start
Remember, 4th Generation start in 2020
2018-2019 is the Transition year, so group like (G)I-DLE, ITZY, TXT, Stray Kids, ATEEZ etc. is the part of 3rd Generation not 4th Generation
Thank you for this insight it is very helpful, you're so right time passes and everything changes let's embrace it❤❤❤
the fact that people say “WE can’t move on” is insane because WE don’t control it??? And the 4th gen doesn’t need US to find a main 3-4 groups when there’s so many standout groups(NEWJEANS, Le sserafim, Izone, æspa, itzy, skz, txt, fifty fifty, ive, etc.) As for the younger idols, man, just save my poor CHILDREN ATP…the fact that Yunjin & Sakura get sexualized while being in the same group as a 15 YEAR OLD just makes me feel weird because I feel like I can’t say “Oh Hanni looks so good and really pretty here” Another thing that is sad(and true imo) is the 3rd gen gg’S falling behind, so many people say twice is not sounding like twice anymore, Blackpink doesn’t enjoy music(but that’s true tbh), and red velvet is old and overdue which breaks my 2nd and 3rd gen heart! 😭
so excited for the fifth gen tbh!!!
Same but I don't think 5th gen will start this year..maybe in 2025? At least 2024.. Lol I started stanning kpop in 2022 and y all talking aby 5th gen I feel old now
@@bthsjsidij yeah I think it might start late this year, or early 2024! Generations usually last 6-7 years so it will happen soon since the 4 gen started in 2017-18. I've been stanning kpop since 2017 so I have experienced the generation shift before! It can be very subtle and you might notice that it happened in hindsight! very excited for the 5th gen though!
My opinion is that if BoyNextDoor, xikers, and Baby Monster are going to be 5th gen, it seems like New Jeans should be as well. Maybe they’re 4.5, the way The Boyz, (G)-Idle, Iz*One, and maybe even Stray Kids are 3.5 (at least from my perspective).
I think something we need to remember is that younger doesn’t automatically mean cooler, or that older groups can’t keep up with the times. 3rd gen BtoB’ s latest comeback feels super fresh, and HyunA (2nd gen) is easily one of the coolest artists in the industry. Also, I love that as idol groups become more mature, they have more creative and personal freedom (with the exception of groups still at the height of their popularity like BTS, Blackpink, and Twice, but even they get to speak their minds more than they did 5 years ago)
You said the 4th gen has been as long as previous generations, but we're around the 5th or 6th year of the 4th gen, and previous ones lasted a couple more years than that at least. I was thinking thst maybe it could make sense for it to be shorter if there were way more artists debuting, but I just looked at some lists of groups that debuted in the years 2011 (I counted 43), 2015 and 2022 (I counted 60 something for each). It seems that throughout 4th gen there hasn't been a huge increase in the number of artists debuting so that doesn't explain the shorter span.
Nah, the 3rd Generation only realistically lasted 5-6 years, meaning the 4th would be just as long, idk why I see people stretching out the third generation to make it seem longer than it was, cause I don't think that's true.
As my friend said, we're still in the 4th generation, and a new generation cannot start unless there's a bunch of big groups debuting. It's roughly after 7 years a new generation starts.
So probably in 2024 maybe or whenever idk. But all I know is that 5th Gen hasn't start. And my friend has been a kpop stan since 2005
the k media has announced 5th gen is here, so they are here because that's when you know is when korean media says so
@@vee.3029 Well whether you like it or not. It's still the 4th generation. I trust what my friend says, because they're very knowledgeable on many different kpop things being a fan for so many years and seeing/noticing things.
@@jAyBCD1 your friend doesn't decide when a kpop generation starts, they're a singular person with no power lol
anyone with common sense would realize a group of people with power in the industry saying when the generation is happening would be the actual decider
@@vee.3029 If you look at the different generations you'll notice how generations have started after roughly 7 years, plus a lot of big debuts happened at the start of each gen. Like in the 4th gen, gidle & skz debuted in the same year. Maybe you can say fromis too idk. The evidence is thwre, that's why I believe my friend.
I think 3rd generation being so popular globally made it to where 4th gen just doesn't feel like it ever had its own time to shine. 3rd gen basically eclipsed 4th gen's spotlight and COVID was basically the nail in the coffin.
There is no effing way 5th generation is starting no way bruh so like if the big companies debut grp doesn't equal to new generation some fans need to understand 💀 in this sense yg never had a 4th gen girl group representative nd its too fast to say 4th gen fell off or 4th gen don't have a leader it takes time to solidify urself in the industry look at bts it took them so long to solidify themselves this so called fans who say its 5th gen or smthing they just saying so bcs they want achievements nowadays ppl are more obsessed with achievements thn music they want their grp to become 1st at something and what's the better way thn to start a new generation fast that's just my take of why this is happening its like barely 6 years we haven't even given 4th gen proper chance to showcase their abilities we're still stuck with 3rd gen 3rd gen grps are still dominating 4th gen wasn't even given chance properly if 5th gen starts now 4th gen will be the most underappreciated nd mistreated generation like literally it would mean they got the short end of the stick of going global
i totally agree
I wouldn't be shocked if retrospectively we considered the girl group wave of 2022 the start of 5th gen.
13:29 THIS IS SO FREAKING TIRING! i love kpop but i need to focus on uni too and all and even just keeping up with new release (i gave up on watching the variety shows of idols that arent my ults) feels impossible. i like to digest music peacefully but there's always new music coming out before i could finish listening to the other ones... plus i want to listen to groups like fx and shinee, but its all so much! if nowadays they want to release music, then do what you want, but stop releasing music just because. it turns me off so much - this happened with skz & twice especially. i know that like skz have a ton of music on their laptop wainting to be released, but i really which they'd learn to better filter out their songs and focus on releasing the better ones. japanese releases are also overwhelming, but then you listen to them and its a blander poorer version of the group's sound, and feels like a waste of time and resources. these are all subjective thoughts i have, with a ton of generalizations during the rant, but as someone who enjoys diversifying their taste, giving every song and group a chance, and not sticking to the same groups always, it's frustrating being thrown all this music. most of the time, i just give up and ignore new releases, ending up listening to the songs i already know :/
This just doesn't make any sense. 3rd gen was till Dec 2017 so why is 4th gen ending in just 6 yrs?? Does this generation thing work according to members age?? It just seems like people want to throw Baemon at 5th gen because they know Baemon is gonna rule 4th gen despite debuting late
Why did the 3rd gen only last like 6 years? I guess it's just how it works.
yes i agree, it doesn't make sense and i don't even know Baemon
It is decided by Korean companies... we can't do anything about it
having a leader in the 4th gen is subjective depending on who you ask. it's hard to pinpoint one group when there are so many popular groups
4th gen felt short also maybe because 3rd gen groups ruled the era......in 3rd gen if i am not wrong 2nd gen didn't overshadow them....exo,twice, blackpink,red velvet and later bts blew up and ruled their own respective generation but no 4th gen group overshadowed 3rd gen and ruled the era(yes some 4th gen groups are popular but not at the top)...... don't know what will happen but if bts comes back in 2025 and blackpink do not disband, twice also....then 5th gen will be the same and once again 3rd gen will be the talk of the town.
I agree with the bts/blackpink/twice fact
So 4th started around 2018 and you want it to end technically 2022 in five years is insane, till now 4th gen didn’t end yet !!
We're still in 4th gen towards the tail end. 5th gen will debut sometime in 2024.
Honestly, to me, it felt like last year was the start of something new in Kpop. Maybe not a full-on 5th generation per se, but definitely a transition into it. IVE, Billlie, Le Sserafim, New Jeans, NMIXX, TripleS, etc. I think the debut of Baby Monster and some other highly anticipated groups this year will solidify 5th gen's arrival. I have been a fan of Kpop since 2009 and gens are really something you just feel (sometimes only in retrospect) and not something you take out the calendar to determine. Also, I don't feel like idols are getting younger. Previous gens had plenty of 14/15/16-year olds debuting. I'm not saying I like it, but it's nothing new. Hopefully with the new legislation passed companies will stop debuting kiddos that young and give them a chance to mature before putting them in such a public spotlight.
Loved the vid, I do have a qns tho. Do u think that as more young idols debut in the future, older ppl might feel weird abt listening or staining these grps due to fear of p*do accusations? And do u think that might negatively affect the industry. I’d like to see others’ opinions since I’m a young fan
I think these things have already started to happen, people look at NJ fans who are over 18 with that kind of mindset, which doesn’t make any sense.
Thank you for your video! I have read some of the comments with great interest, since I only started getting seriously into kpop in 2022 and still have a lot to learn.
Hearing about the potential rise of a 5th gen, the first question that popped in my mind has been: what would be this 5th gen? Because from what I have read, all generations in kpop have been defined by their commercial and cultural impact: 1st gen started the kpop industry, 2nd gen made it into a major economical market, 3rd gen pushed kpop onto the international scene and 4th gen established kpop as a popular international music genre. So considering these observations, what could a 5th gen achieve more ? I genuinely don't hold the answer and I'm very excited to see if it eventually comes to me!
Aside from the cultural and economical aspects, I do agree though that every kpop generation has its typical sounds and aesthetics. Considering this part of the analysis, I align with people saying that NewJeans could represent the start of a transition into 5th gen.
Lastly, I also agree with the fact that the big kpop industries lead the way and them debuting new groups can surely mark the rise of a new gen - just like BigHit did when TxT debuted as the first "little brothers" of BTS (I am adding to this example that BigHit has launched a recruiting campaign for their next boy group at the beginning of 2023. We can maybe expect a new group in 2024-2025, which would indeed mark a 3rd step in BigHit's growth).
As people said in the comments, History can only be defined once it happened: we can't know for sure yet if, and when a next generation will start - but in a few years, we'll be able to look back on our current situation and define what happened at this time. I'm excited to witness the kpop industrie's growth (I would personally also enjoy a slowing down in the industry, with less comebacks but more groups composing and producing their own music... It would be amazing and bring the industry to a whole other level of quality, raising artists and not only performers!)!
i wonder if another reason we’re seeing a rise in minors debuting has to do w/ c*vid bc i presume most companies weren’t taking in trainees at the time (correct me if im wrong) so by the time auditions were posted again the majority of ppl who COULD’VE been trainees & became idols now can’t bc they’re deemed as “too old”
BTS and Blackpink are clearly the leaders of their generation. Yes, there were other popular groups in their generation, but we can’t deny that these two are the leaders globally. Just look at the album charts, song hits, endorsements, TV guesting, social media following, etc.
When 4th gen started I was a senior in high school and now I’m living alone in a different country about to graduate with a masters degree lol
Rn is barely the peak of 4th gen, I think aespa started 4th gen, and ive, newjeans, and leserafim peaked it, hasn't ended tho
also I feel like the sound of groups like loona and idle fits the 3rd gen more so I won't call em 4th gen
Idle definitely don’t fit 3rd gen.. 😭
What about Itzy?
@maniackoo well rn they are following the trend (kinda like how girls generation forever young sounds like a 4th gen song but they are not a 4th gen group) but if u look at idles earlier songs like put it straight, Hann, lion, or even the tropical bass Latata it fits way more 3rd gen than 4th gen to me, but that's just me
totally agree, lol it isn't the end if 4th gen yet and yet it's actually the peak of 4th gen with ive, newjeans, le serafilm
So here is my opinion, I’d be glad if anyone read it!
I discovered K-pop around march of 2021, starting off with Blackpink.
I then continued my journey with finding out about Red Velvet, then Itzy, then Dreamcatcher, then aespa and became a gg multistan. Now, I’m starting to discover boy groups as well.
I’m so ready and exited for a generation change! I was alsways confused of this generation thing and always envious of all the stans who lived with the change of gens. BUT I also think, like said in this video, that there’s always a flowing change and we can only tell later. I’m sitting here with my tea and super ready to watch and see.
I also think: 4th gen is special because it has sooo many leaders and interesting groups, and one of the biggest 4th groups you’d think of debuted only last year (IVE, lesserafim, newjeans etc etc.).
I think like this:
This new phase with more chill music (like ADYA, Fifty fifty, Newjeans) and more “meaningful” self-esteem boosting music (like Lesserafim, IVE, Newjeans-> this is different from self-loving music like Itzy and cignature did) could be the last phase of gen 4 (meaning we’ll probably start when it fades off again)or the START of gen 5 (meaning we’re actually in the flow between the gens right now).
Both of them seem very logically possible for me, soo
Now we're in 5th generation era
plz excuse my poor english its not my first language T_T i will try my best to explain my point.
as someone who has been kpop fan since 2009-2010 2nd gen's peak period, i just want to share that kpop generation has nothing to do with time period at all. its more about changes that we have experience and how group debuting after those changes have a certain shift in sounds, music, styling and fashion, themes and concepts, different gender politics, fan experience, fandom culture, new policies and tactics being used by kpop companies etc. the list goes on.
I'm sure everyone agrees with the fact that ever since the pandemic started, the internet has literally changed. every day there's something new and people move on from one thing to another so freaking fast that they are spouting nonsense like their attention span has decreased more than goldfish. which is not true at all. the truth is somewhat different from what you keep hearing on the internet but this isnt a scientific discussion at all so i'll leave this topic here. the point is that internet becoming a big part of people's life in pandemic has changed the whole music industry and kpop is not an exception as well. tiktok became bigger than expected and artists started releasing music keeping tiktok virality in mind. weird sounding music getting recognition on different platforms for sounding "cool" or "hip" etc.
on the top of that new trends in fashion, music and idol culture along with new movements to include people of different races, genders, sexuality etc. has also changed kpop industry as well. the inclusion of international fandoms by the help of technology and internet e.g. fan calls, online concerts, subtitled content etc. there are so many new changes ever since the panini happened you cant deny it. new fans arent aware of these changes bc there was an influx of new fans in 2019-2020 period, and they were late to the party.whether
There are no fixed time gaps between generation in kpop. When knetz and korean media notice a drift in kpop they declare a new generation. Which already happened in 2023 mid. We international fans have no say in this, so it's pointless to argue about generations.
Also many groups including groups from big4 debuting in 2023 shows that even the kpop agencies have accept the begging of new generation.
There are zerobaseone, baby monster, riize, bnd, lun8, kiss of life, xikers, adya, the wind, xodiac, evvne, tiot, dream academy debuting group etc.
Same here...I got to know BTS and kpop in the late 2017 but I didn't even know that generations existed in kpop until 2022
For me, the stand out of 4th generation is Aespa's Next level - whether you love or hate the song, you can't deny it was a memorable and stark change in the industry. It could be that we might be at the beginning of the 5th generation of kpop with all the new fantastic girl groups that debuted last year, but at the same time I still think of them as 4th gen (lol, I don't know if I'm making any sense). I really wonder what's going to be the stand out moment for 5th generation!
Debuting young idols has always been a thing in the industry, we're just a lot more aware of it now. I still think it's messed up having 14 and even 13 year olds debut, but I don't think the industry will ever really do anything about it (at least for now). For example, the maknae of upcoming babymonster was literally 13 when the group was announced... I'm really worried for her mental health, stans are toxic af and can really do some damage, especially to younger idols. Also, I don't really want to stan a bunch of middle schoolers, it just feels weird.
Boy band stans don't like to hear this, but I think the "generations" are truly driven by girl group debuts. You have to ask, "what group or event has really come along that changed the sound, the style, and the landscape of the industry?" For example, most lists consider PSY releasing "Gagnam Style" in 2012 to be where 3rd Gen begins. I don't, I think he brought the 2nd Gen to the world. 3rd Gen began IMO in 2014 with (sadly) several highly publicized self-terminations and the debuts of Red Velvet and game-changers Mamamoo, includes BlackPink and IOI. 4th Gen began with the debuts of (G)i-dle, ITZY, AleXa, IZ*ONE, etc. and is still going on. No 5th yet!
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Idols arent getting younger, big old groups like shinee, bigbang, 2ne1, and bts had 13-14 yr as maknaes, and momma boa was 13, I'm not saying it's right to debut minors, I'm just saying, lets not act as if this is new or getting younger
Anothee thing is that if people say that there is not leader? Well just think like this, if you check the leaders of 3rd gen were BTS and Blackpink, BP debut in 2016 and if 3rd gen ended by 2017, that means BP was just a rookie group when it was named "leader" of the gen.
So is very hipocritical to say to think that groups like Itzy, SKZ, New Jeans, Ive, Ateez can't be leader because they debut no long ago.
A 4° geração só está no seu pico e essa "era" de transição do audiovisual apenas acabou, agora dá pra saber que "Nossa, é realmente 4ª geração, tem algo diferente"
*fans don’t want Kids Bop they want Kpop* i mean you spittin facts but dauym💀
5th gen may be starting but I’m still on the 3rd gen and I’m not going anywhere 😂
Wow your prediction was right,
Kpop debuting more younger girls is correct, we have that already and right now she is considered to be the youngest in the industry, Lim seowon of unis Korean age is 12 but globally she's 11 she's about to turn 13 this year of age(12 global)
You were also right about a GG that was produced for social media content only like there song is so built for the platform of tiktok use its catchy, easy to follow steps, am not going to say there name I might get hate lol but man bravo 👏👏 amazing
my overall favs from
1st gen: lee hyori
2nd gen: snsd
3rd gen: mamamoo
4th gen: pixy
I genuinely think 4th is my stopping point of care. 5th gen groups are going to be full of kids the end of 4th gen is already doing the most with ages it's not gonna get any better.