I've always felt that the therapy session being publicised was manipulative because the show runners took advantage of the fact that the girls would be encouraged to say everything that's on their mind (e.g. their thoughts about other contestants) in somewhere that's meant to be a safe space for them to create a certain narrative for drama. Given the fact that the girls are young and were in a vulnerable place mentally in a competitive environment, they probably didn't have the foresight to consider how their words would be interpreted by viewers and manipulated by the showrunners despite their thoughts and feelings being understandable.
Tbh they were young teenagers so it’s understandable that they are a bit childish and immature. That is the raw content that they want and how genuine it is. Plus it’s a reality TV show, but the problems were solved eventually. Its normal for them to fight but not to an extend where they would hate each pther and jealous about it. Manon acknowledged her fault, that is fine. Its the process pf training.
I actually even got the impression that Adela just dared to voice what a lot of the contestants were thinking, so that's why i find the hate against her especially unfair
I think the producers and directors didn’t like Adela because she was very confident and stood on her values. The other girls followed her and were very close to her. They can’t manipulate her like the others. The other girls tended to listen to her and probably would stand by her in the future. I think the company felt her personality was too strong for those reasons.
@@edenlewis2538 yes she definitely felt "different". a strong leader with a sort of mothering personality. I can imagine she wasn't well-liked by the management because of that
You bring up so many valuable points. I think people forget that they're young girls and women being exploited and thrown into a highly volatile and stressful survival show (which they didnt even know was going to happen?!!?!). On top of that, like you said, some of the girls gave everything, they left their countries, learned a new language, dropped out of school, etc. People need to give the girls grace and turn their frustration to the adults, the producers, and the trainers who didn't advocate for the girls.
I liked that they showed that because it’s, well, realistic. I mean one would feel unfairly treated if someone who was clearly less experienced than them was favored over them. Also I guess all the girls kept ignoring the fact that every group in kpop needs a visual and Manon was that visual she stood out among 20 girls so obviously she was gonna make the lineup. Also I felt like some of the girls bonded over or just took refuge in or consoled themselves with the idea of “oh you can be talented but they only care about looks”
I will never understand why you would release a documentary about a girl group that highlights their beefs and shows them at their worst, and then try and sell us the image of a unified cohesive group. Like that’s literally the opposite of what you want when you’re trying to market “girl power” to your target audience. Because now they went from a group of friends that support each other (based on the audience perception) to a group that resents each other. I’m sure the girls are fine since this is two-year old drama at this point, but I can only imagine how hard this was for them to watch. Hybe just created an unnecessary scandal for no apparent reason.
@@noname-uj3qo Hybe would be right if this were just a reality show. But this isn’t that. This was a documentary about a real life group, in which them getting along is crucial for their longevity. Also the optics are bad because now they all come across as resentful of each other. People are taking sides and sending hate comments, which could potentially open up old wounds for the group members and affect their group dynamic. The people that watched the documentary were likely already fans of the group, I doubt they pulled in THAT many new people. If anything, their song “Touch” going viral is doing that for them, which is exactly what you would want from a new music group. The music to speak for itself.
I dont understand why everyone wants to me to feel angry at Manon getting pretty privilege, as if any of these guys had beyonce level talent, they took spaces of "less conventionally attractive" girls positions too to even appear on the show, like lets be real, Samara is literally the only girl in the whole show who could dance and sing well and had star power, but she had her racist against indians/ israel controversy Manon came for her looks and seeing as how many fans she has she clearly captured the fans she was predicted to and did her job, her job is to entertain and get fans, hybe never contacted her because she was this amazing singer or dancer
FACTS. They all have pretty privilege cus like out of 120 THOUSAND auditionees... there's no way these were the most talented. they're prettier than average and also all whiter than a paper bag
Period! So sad the content Samara liked on tik tok and instagram were taken out of context by people who don't even speak portuguese and just jumped into conclusions spreading misinformations and lies. She's not r*cist or z*onist. And she would have probably debuted since she ranked higher than Manon in all of the missions and on the finale Manon had more early voting but Samara had more live voting, so it all came down to the judges score in performing and they were evaluating the Dirty Water and All The Same performances which don't get me wrong Manon doesn't do bad in any of those but Samara does better than her, SPECIALLY Dirty Water, Samara owns that song, in Dirty Water Samara does better than all of the girls
ezrela didn’t get in bc lexi quit. i said it. it’s the truth. they weren’t feeling lara like that (which is why she’s always in the back). but ezrela alone would have been too cutesy for the vibe of the collective who were still in the running. emily was never getting in. they kept her for engagement. marquis should have been in it. but bc execs liked sophia and megan sooo much they got megan cosplaying as marquis lmaooo. a mess. anyways, lexi quitting threw off their whole thing. and that’s what happens when u rely ur whole group on one girl. also, naisha was NEVER getting in. the micro aggressions were there and they wanted to get rid of her before the rankings started and they were so rude to her throughout filming. but she was a mess. let’s call a spade a spade.
The main reason why it was handled poorly based on performance training in a high intense enviornment is because this was the very first time that HYBE was gonna do a collaboration with another record label from a different country. The collab with Geffen Records (Olivia Rodrigo's label, Selena Gomez's label, Guns N Roses) and having this goal of making sure that this academy and then the group become so well known in the United states was and is a huge deal, which is why I didn't think it was a good idea for the head of HYBE to decide to debut the competition earlier. For the people who didn't watch the doc, the head of HYBE chose to debut the competition more sooner than originally planned, so I think that played a huge role in the competitiveness while also not having enough time to process the girls's teammates leaving as soon as they get eliminated.
you better get them ,get em again,get it for me 😌,me and my friend talked about them rushing the debut time too,we were talking mostly on the aspect of how these girl have to put in there “10,000 hours” basically saying having time to perfect their skills getting comfortable with their abilities,but also making sure as a whole they were ready to debut
I agree they should have shown the girls getting past the argument about Manon, it then took me a while to get past the fact Manon got through instead of others. I think they look and sound fabulous now, but we have all been put out by a prettier girl in our lives so I think it resonated with a lot of us they were determined to put her through.
@@kutoramo8875 no i think they were supposed to talk about life after elimination and probably asked them more about whole elimination process of course but the netflix producers cut only what they favoured and needed. Netflix documentaries are kinda famous for creating and staging drama I'm surprised so many people believe it like it's their bible
i agree with the representation and that people voted for their representation. after all i think that's what everyone was doing. i'm slav/eastern european. there are like zero slavic girl in the global music industry so when I've seen Adela and Illya I was very excited since they were both very talented. But of course, the voting system didn't favour our region, so I knew my girls had no chance. I was irritated how many people tried to dismiss what Adela said about representation because as someonoe currently living in Slovakia, there are very few Slovak singers being successful even in Slovakia not alone globally. The global music industry is taking over and even contestants of singing shows like "Slovak Idol" or other "talent shows" don't help that much when labels and radios are pushing for Sabrina Carpenter, Miley Cyrus and so on. (i love them but why can't we have our own idols who are closer to us?) There had to be laws changed that radio stations need to play at least some slovak songs per day, which are usually pushed to 1AM when no one is listening. People say "But they are white" Yes they are white but what else do we have in common? Culturally and behaviourally we're totally different, I'd say we have more in common with some Asian cultures than "western" culture. I'm a bit sad that I didn't get the representation I wanted but I've seen Adela is making solo debut so hopefully she will do well. Hopefully, Katseye will do well, move on from this weird docu series, be successful and bring joy to fans worldwide too!
Yea my main problem with the "Manon issue" is that she's not given enough grace. A huge problem that I've noticed for a while is that, black girls in media are not given the same chance to be teens who make mistakes, as their non black counterparts are. Because of racist stereotype people, sometimes unconsciously, expect us to be strong and resilient even after the point of burn out. Im not saying their frustration was invalid, I just wish there was more compassion and direct communication.
@@Arkv-o1nregardless though, the show did a great job of highlighting the girls’ friendships and helped to further justify them as a cohesive unit. No one wants to follow a group of people that seemingly have no chemistry, so A2K succeeded in doing that. It also helps that all the girls went into it knowing it was a competition, and none of them (except for a couple) were professionally trained to be idols. So they all started at a relatively even playing field.
@@meccalovett4616 that really doesn't matter and they never shown any conflict with each other group of young girls without any conflicts is a big joke, a2 k never showed that part a2k not succeed in training them well katseye girls trained way more harder and highly skilled definitely they'll show the rawness instead of faking things still vcha training still under questionable the way they are focusing more on kpop then global and promoting them and making to stay them under basement is neve Going help them in any way highlighting friendships doesn't make them famous genuinely it should happen unlike highlighting anything still jyp failed them
@@Arkv-o1n I’m sorry I genuinely don’t understand what you just typed… 😅 And I don’t think you understood me either, cuz it appears my point was missed
definitely the editing & the structuring of the conflict will affect the groups dynamic & ruins the sisterhood aspect I just hope we all can move past it & no hate to the girls
@@MadelynnMarlowe After they learn its a survival show. The lying to them about the full picture was the most unethical thing they could do to these girls. I give Menon props for trying to change but she was still a bit defensive. But were expectations outlined for Menon when she was scouted? Not everyone can mentally handle 12 hours of grueling practice, and she ended up in the final line up which meant that the grueling practice wasn't necessary to make a super star? I probably would have been a Menon stan without the context but I was living under a rock when voting was going on. Some of the girls who didn't end up in the final line up are still worth watching! I wish the girls the best in their mental health and careers.
I quit watching when Lexie left. I was shocked, though, to see Emily wasn't in the final group. She was the only " A" rated dancer. It's criminal to string her along over 2 years then to have Msnon in the group with zero skill. Manon did not even try.
I've always felt that the therapy session being publicised was manipulative because the show runners took advantage of the fact that the girls would be encouraged to say everything that's on their mind (e.g. their thoughts about other contestants) in somewhere that's meant to be a safe space for them to create a certain narrative for drama.
Given the fact that the girls are young and were in a vulnerable place mentally in a competitive environment, they probably didn't have the foresight to consider how their words would be interpreted by viewers and manipulated by the showrunners despite their thoughts and feelings being understandable.
Tbh they were young teenagers so it’s understandable that they are a bit childish and immature. That is the raw content that they want and how genuine it is. Plus it’s a reality TV show, but the problems were solved eventually. Its normal for them to fight but not to an extend where they would hate each pther and jealous about it. Manon acknowledged her fault, that is fine. Its the process pf training.
I actually even got the impression that Adela just dared to voice what a lot of the contestants were thinking, so that's why i find the hate against her especially unfair
I think the producers and directors didn’t like Adela because she was very confident and stood on her values. The other girls followed her and were very close to her. They can’t manipulate her like the others. The other girls tended to listen to her and probably would stand by her in the future. I think the company felt her personality was too strong for those reasons.
@@edenlewis2538 yes she definitely felt "different". a strong leader with a sort of mothering personality. I can imagine she wasn't well-liked by the management because of that
True adéla was just speaking facts
You bring up so many valuable points. I think people forget that they're young girls and women being exploited and thrown into a highly volatile and stressful survival show (which they didnt even know was going to happen?!!?!). On top of that, like you said, some of the girls gave everything, they left their countries, learned a new language, dropped out of school, etc. People need to give the girls grace and turn their frustration to the adults, the producers, and the trainers who didn't advocate for the girls.
This comment needs to be pinned. People literally lost their housing for this show.
lexie did such a mature decision when she left
she ate mintra with the "no, i agree"
This scene 😂😂 Mitra looks furious / annoyed , Lexie on the otherhand looks excited to leave the room as soon as possible 😂
they deff made adela seem like an obsessed hater they didn't have to air the convo between her & naisha
I liked that they showed that because it’s, well, realistic. I mean one would feel unfairly treated if someone who was clearly less experienced than them was favored over them. Also I guess all the girls kept ignoring the fact that every group in kpop needs a visual and Manon was that visual she stood out among 20 girls so obviously she was gonna make the lineup. Also I felt like some of the girls bonded over or just took refuge in or consoled themselves with the idea of “oh you can be talented but they only care about looks”
Actually NOT bad marketing. They got the views and now their song is going viral. That's the reality of the world we live in.
THIS
I will never understand why you would release a documentary about a girl group that highlights their beefs and shows them at their worst, and then try and sell us the image of a unified cohesive group. Like that’s literally the opposite of what you want when you’re trying to market “girl power” to your target audience. Because now they went from a group of friends that support each other (based on the audience perception) to a group that resents each other. I’m sure the girls are fine since this is two-year old drama at this point, but I can only imagine how hard this was for them to watch. Hybe just created an unnecessary scandal for no apparent reason.
this is sad but hybe is right, drama sells. a lot of people only watched the documentary because of it and became fans of katseye
@@noname-uj3qo Hybe would be right if this were just a reality show. But this isn’t that. This was a documentary about a real life group, in which them getting along is crucial for their longevity. Also the optics are bad because now they all come across as resentful of each other. People are taking sides and sending hate comments, which could potentially open up old wounds for the group members and affect their group dynamic. The people that watched the documentary were likely already fans of the group, I doubt they pulled in THAT many new people. If anything, their song “Touch” going viral is doing that for them, which is exactly what you would want from a new music group. The music to speak for itself.
@@meccalovett4616 the hate lasted for like a week and everyone is defending them now
@@noname-uj3qoeveryone is getting bold in their antiblackness*
@@JJ-te6xj I meant defending the whole group
I dont understand why everyone wants to me to feel angry at Manon getting pretty privilege, as if any of these guys had beyonce level talent, they took spaces of "less conventionally attractive" girls positions too to even appear on the show, like lets be real, Samara is literally the only girl in the whole show who could dance and sing well and had star power, but she had her racist against indians/ israel controversy
Manon came for her looks and seeing as how many fans she has she clearly captured the fans she was predicted to and did her job, her job is to entertain and get fans, hybe never contacted her because she was this amazing singer or dancer
FACTS. They all have pretty privilege cus like out of 120 THOUSAND auditionees... there's no way these were the most talented. they're prettier than average and also all whiter than a paper bag
@@mariasol1545unfortunately thats what this industry is all about, whatever sells the most
Period! So sad the content Samara liked on tik tok and instagram were taken out of context by people who don't even speak portuguese and just jumped into conclusions spreading misinformations and lies. She's not r*cist or z*onist. And she would have probably debuted since she ranked higher than Manon in all of the missions and on the finale Manon had more early voting but Samara had more live voting, so it all came down to the judges score in performing and they were evaluating the Dirty Water and All The Same performances which don't get me wrong Manon doesn't do bad in any of those but Samara does better than her, SPECIALLY Dirty Water, Samara owns that song, in Dirty Water Samara does better than all of the girls
@@mariasol1545 Let's not forget thin!
@@mariasol1545theh fail to understand that in that industry looks takes ppl far
ezrela didn’t get in bc lexi quit. i said it. it’s the truth. they weren’t feeling lara like that (which is why she’s always in the back). but ezrela alone would have been too cutesy for the vibe of the collective who were still in the running. emily was never getting in. they kept her for engagement. marquis should have been in it. but bc execs liked sophia and megan sooo much they got megan cosplaying as marquis lmaooo. a mess. anyways, lexi quitting threw off their whole thing. and that’s what happens when u rely ur whole group on one girl. also, naisha was NEVER getting in. the micro aggressions were there and they wanted to get rid of her before the rankings started and they were so rude to her throughout filming. but she was a mess. let’s call a spade a spade.
Megan cosplaying as marquis is crazyyy
Yes I agree with you. They shouldn't have released that therapy session clip
Thank you love ❤
The main reason why it was handled poorly based on performance training in a high intense enviornment is because this was the very first time that HYBE was gonna do a collaboration with another record label from a different country. The collab with Geffen Records (Olivia Rodrigo's label, Selena Gomez's label, Guns N Roses) and having this goal of making sure that this academy and then the group become so well known in the United states was and is a huge deal, which is why I didn't think it was a good idea for the head of HYBE to decide to debut the competition earlier. For the people who didn't watch the doc, the head of HYBE chose to debut the competition more sooner than originally planned, so I think that played a huge role in the competitiveness while also not having enough time to process the girls's teammates leaving as soon as they get eliminated.
you better get them ,get em again,get it for me 😌,me and my friend talked about them rushing the debut time too,we were talking mostly on the aspect of how these girl have to put in there “10,000 hours” basically saying having time to perfect their skills getting comfortable with their abilities,but also making sure as a whole they were ready to debut
@@keyerakore yeah it’s crazy.
I agree they should have shown the girls getting past the argument about Manon, it then took me a while to get past the fact Manon got through instead of others. I think they look and sound fabulous now, but we have all been put out by a prettier girl in our lives so I think it resonated with a lot of us they were determined to put her through.
Oh I agree. As a woman no matter how hard you work you will often be left out because of someone because of looks
I don't get why Adela and nahia were being recorded after they were kicked out like and they left like 2 weeks prior
tbh, i think it was staged a bit. because there is nothing else used from that recording only this.
@@Nicole-ep1vt yeah but if it's staged why did they agree to that if they didn't what was the worst that could happen? Be eliminated again??
@@kutoramo8875 no i think they were supposed to talk about life after elimination and probably asked them more about whole elimination process of course but the netflix producers cut only what they favoured and needed. Netflix documentaries are kinda famous for creating and staging drama I'm surprised so many people believe it like it's their bible
It's always the company first before the girl's mental health
Perioddd u ate this also love ur aesthetic bad ur gorgg thanks for the video !
thank you diva 🎀🎀🎀🩷🩷🩷🩷
The truth is Lexie leaving changed a lot
I also think they brought that in for people who think talent alone makes the cut but the reality is far different
many of the girls are talented but to make a group we have to make sure that everyone blends well together.This group is perfect as it is
i agree with the representation and that people voted for their representation. after all i think that's what everyone was doing. i'm slav/eastern european. there are like zero slavic girl in the global music industry so when I've seen Adela and Illya I was very excited since they were both very talented. But of course, the voting system didn't favour our region, so I knew my girls had no chance. I was irritated how many people tried to dismiss what Adela said about representation because as someonoe currently living in Slovakia, there are very few Slovak singers being successful even in Slovakia not alone globally. The global music industry is taking over and even contestants of singing shows like "Slovak Idol" or other "talent shows" don't help that much when labels and radios are pushing for Sabrina Carpenter, Miley Cyrus and so on. (i love them but why can't we have our own idols who are closer to us?) There had to be laws changed that radio stations need to play at least some slovak songs per day, which are usually pushed to 1AM when no one is listening. People say "But they are white" Yes they are white but what else do we have in common? Culturally and behaviourally we're totally different, I'd say we have more in common with some Asian cultures than "western" culture. I'm a bit sad that I didn't get the representation I wanted but I've seen Adela is making solo debut so hopefully she will do well. Hopefully, Katseye will do well, move on from this weird docu series, be successful and bring joy to fans worldwide too!
Well said honestly it was Interesting to see the artist development but then the switch up is what got me smh very sick minded
Same like the one thing about the K-pop training system is the emphasis on performance but to see how poorly this was handled was so upsetting
this video is soo necessary. you look so cute and i loved the background aesthetic
Yea my main problem with the "Manon issue" is that she's not given enough grace. A huge problem that I've noticed for a while is that, black girls in media are not given the same chance to be teens who make mistakes, as their non black counterparts are. Because of racist stereotype people, sometimes unconsciously, expect us to be strong and resilient even after the point of burn out. Im not saying their frustration was invalid, I just wish there was more compassion and direct communication.
the day you stop seeing the manon situation through the lens of race will be the day you see the light
I agree with all of your points Hybe should have taken notes from JYPE when they aired A2K and created Vcha
But vcha flopped like anything jyp literally failed them
@@Arkv-o1nregardless though, the show did a great job of highlighting the girls’ friendships and helped to further justify them as a cohesive unit. No one wants to follow a group of people that seemingly have no chemistry, so A2K succeeded in doing that. It also helps that all the girls went into it knowing it was a competition, and none of them (except for a couple) were professionally trained to be idols. So they all started at a relatively even playing field.
@@meccalovett4616 that really doesn't matter and they never shown any conflict with each other group of young girls without any conflicts is a big joke, a2 k never showed that part a2k not succeed in training them well katseye girls trained way more harder and highly skilled definitely they'll show the rawness instead of faking things still vcha training still under questionable the way they are focusing more on kpop then global and promoting them and making to stay them under basement is neve Going help them in any way highlighting friendships doesn't make them famous genuinely it should happen unlike highlighting anything still jyp failed them
@@Arkv-o1n I’m sorry I genuinely don’t understand what you just typed… 😅 And I don’t think you understood me either, cuz it appears my point was missed
@@meccalovett4616Yeah, that's it. That's why it flop!!! Nobody gaf about friendship and shiii. Ppl here for the DRAMAAAAA😂😂😂
I thought your breakdown of the racism was pretty well reasoned and balanced.
Omg thank you I was so nervous 🙏😌I watched it over so many times trying to make sure I worded it the best I can
Adéla was speaking facts
Lexie is literally the catalyst that made Katseye because Lexie was going to make it and chose to leave
"Trainee system is tough" is getting old. Especially for kpoppies that should know that already.
Out of context. But I love your makeup and hairstyle. Tutorial please
This is so random and giving nothing important but I can't believe I've been to 2 of the same filming locations as them 😭
That's so cool lol which locations
I can’t lie i think it just makes K pop look bad and incredibly toxic
Is it not? Kpop industry is ten times worse than this was look up dark side of kpop. Its a brutal industry
Definitely not most kpop idols r literally starved to death with difficult training
I mean it kinda is and I say this as a kpop stan
definitely the editing & the structuring of the conflict will affect the groups dynamic & ruins the sisterhood aspect I just hope we all can move past it & no hate to the girls
This was beautiful ❤ keep it up girl
I hate How people were just defending her bc She was Black. Does not fucking justify not coming to lessons when EVERYONE is working theyre hardest.
Yes but I do think she eventually changes and started actually giving it her all
@@MadelynnMarlowe After they learn its a survival show. The lying to them about the full picture was the most unethical thing they could do to these girls. I give Menon props for trying to change but she was still a bit defensive. But were expectations outlined for Menon when she was scouted? Not everyone can mentally handle 12 hours of grueling practice, and she ended up in the final line up which meant that the grueling practice wasn't necessary to make a super star? I probably would have been a Menon stan without the context but I was living under a rock when voting was going on.
Some of the girls who didn't end up in the final line up are still worth watching! I wish the girls the best in their mental health and careers.
great video🌟
Thank you!! I plan on filming a GRWM this week so I will put a tutorial in there 🙏 🩷🩷🎀🎀
I LOVE GIRLS TOO
I quit watching when Lexie left. I was shocked, though, to see Emily wasn't in the final group. She was the only " A" rated dancer. It's criminal to string her along over 2 years then to have Msnon in the group with zero skill. Manon did not even try.
The vitality of buttons played a huge role in the final lineup for real. The best lineup to have come out of survival show in recent time
did we see the same show? girl manon DID TRY after she got call out she deserves her position in the group
It's called X now, not Twitter
no one calls it x though, everyone still calls it twitter. it was a dumb rebrand by elon musk
Ok.... So.... Twitter is Twitter at the end of the day. Change all names u want, the og is still called Twitter 🤷♀️🤷
0:54 wild moment
Iliya was real asf cause what was Sophia on abt my girl Iliya is abt to go home and you’re saying “listen to me” for what???💀🤣
@@soldecle soooo real