WOW! What do you think?! Firstly, hit SUBSCRIBE. Then, leave a comment. Then, watch the interview again, maybe read between the lines this time... Cheers all, will update when we know more...! ruclips.net/video/6SVxmqS5_60/видео.html Here's a thought though... if it was all faked, why would he do a 45 minute interview with someone for RUclips...? Lots to discuss. I'm with Nathan at the moment.
As I commented on the interview, his story is full of holes, especially with blatant lies about the car itself. Anybody who hasn't had an i-pace probably wouldn't have picked up on most of it though.
yeah but its happened twice, which I find hard to believe that thats true. Then again, EVs are POS vehicles and the UK gov has been supressing anything that goes against "EV good must buy!!11!"
Or he was just some nutter desperate for some attention....... Stop judging others by your own standards when we clearly live in a world full of bad and crazy people....
That is EXACTLY what it is: they're going to make him the scapegoat because they don't tolerate such negative news on EV's. I can already promise you that the police will do the technical forensics, so sorry to say he's already screwed.
@GeoffBuysCars People do engage in attention seeking behaviour, I have no idea if that is the case in this instance. Of course, real electrical machines have a big red emergency stop button that just overrides everything.
You really think with all the legal implications if they didn't thoroughly check it over that they didn't look at all the logs on the car and see that he was clearly making it up? Wake up.
Exactly. That was the first thought that entered my head. Youngish bloke , day dreaming in a car that runs silently and offers little feedback on the speeds you are reaching.
Agree,just like that lorry driver some years ago on the motorway,who claimed that his brakes etc failed. He had obviously been watching that film Speed with Sandra Bulluck and Dennis Hopper.Yes cars have issues from time to tme but this one is cooked up for moment of fame and or to avoid speeding tickets,.
@M-se5of 😂 ...which isn't plummeting a fraction of his credibility, and the credibility (what little there was of it) of this channel😂 Soon to be renamed "Geoff buys bullshit"🤣😂
Hello Geoff i always enjoy ur videos We used to hve a Bosch and Lancia dealership in Holland I sold up 2 years ago I actually had a dutch customer with an I pace with the same problem ,he actually had abs units wiring looms and updates done by multiple jaguardealers in holland ,he actually drove intoo his own house The problem is still not resolved he has this now for the last 3 or 4 years So i think this story is real Keep up the good work Anton Veldman Living in Eire now Thanks😊
I can believe him because I worked for a company that had forklift trucks with fly by wire controls and there was a number of incidents where the truck continued to accelerate after the operator had taken his foot off the accelerator
So Jaguar took another look at it and decided that nothing is wrong with the car. Move along, nothing to see. "What's the best thing we can do to save our reputation? Let's phone the cops and get the guy arrested".
@@davep3969 Jaguar will have had to look at the code and logs on the vehicles ECU as it's IP, without a court order they will not give it up and it's unlikely the DVSA will have the hardware and skills to even look at it. Jaguar will have made a report on the computers and log files (if log files exist) for the DVSA, the goverment involves experts from vendors where appropriate (see the government and post office investigation and the use of Fujitsu to investigate)
A front proximity detection sensor (probably for active cruise control??? or other functions) would have tripped another circuit/software routine and enabled the button.
@@BRMCaptChaosThe more electronic and digital technology there is, the worse everything is. I certainly wouldn't feel safe in a car that locks and unlocks itself. Tesla's don't even have door handles. Fuck that.
A couple of things need to be said. During your interview, you asked him how he got through a junction or roundabout safely while travelling about 120mph. He just said he got through it but didnt elaborate. I picked up on that at the time and did wonder why he hadnt answered the question. However, I did not get the overall impression that it was all a tall tale. I do have a Tesla myself and started to think what I could do if the software glitched while I was driving and the car went into overdrive. As far as I can tell, there is nothing I could do. There is no way for me to turn off the power from inside the car. Even if the whole story was fabricated, it still leaves the interesting question of what drivers of EVs could do if the car software glitches and takes over.
So did Karen Matthews when her daughter "went missing". The thing I don't understand on the interview you did was that JLR couldn't find a fault and he continued to drive it. I would have got rid as the car turned into Christine and tried to kill me.
My only suspicion came when he carried on using the car after Jaguar said they found nothing wrong. If that were me and it was genuine, I would not want to drive the car again, I would have lost all confidence in it. On the other hand, I had an Audi RS GT which did weird things like the tailgate opened by itself, so when I’d come back to the car after shopping the tailgate was wide open. Caffyns said there was nothing wrong and insisted I had pressed the key. The key has to be pressed twice! This went on for months, then an Audi recall came which replaced the tailgate harness. However it still happened after that albeit not as much. There were other things apart from this, which ended in me forcing Caffyns to buy it back. My point is, the Audi technicians didn’t really know enough about the car to make a proper diagnosis because when then looked at the computer faults there were apparently 20,000 plus faults! So are Jaguar any different as they are made by Tata in Mumbai India now?
Breaking news: Man says that if his mysteriously malfunctioned then he would deffo not use it again, only to then go on about how his car mysteriously malfunctioned and he carried on using it. 🙂
Not quite the same is it Mr clever clogs. The Jaguar was clearly dangerous to drive, whereas my car had various annoying faults which were not going to possibly kill me or anybody else.
@Jamaca22 fly by wire, is throttle and regenerative breaking systems, under eu legislation brake by wire and stear by wire are both illegal. there must be a physical connection as a fail safe. which the I pace has by law, you can find the legislation very easily online, (FYI all our cars meet eu standards even if we are no longer part of the eu). there is a difference between speculation and knowledge. fyi don't like EVs, but I dislike BS even more. I initially fell for it myself, but a little research and you can quickly establish its improbable, it would require multiple system failures both mechanical and electrical.
My younger daughter bought a brand new Jaguar, and had major issues with the brakes and other things. Jaguar had the car in repeatedly for an extended period, and she was given a Discovery as a courtesy car, which she racked up more miles in than her Jaguar. She said that she would never buy another one, as the Customer Service was shoddy at best. They lied to her repeatedly, damaged the car and tried to cover it up, accused her of damaging it, but she always took photos when she took it in. The Landrover side have been very different, hence her new car. Eventually they bought it back from her and she bought a second hand Discovery.
I disagree - people don't have yet another phobia. There is a rational and justifiable fear of a terrorist attack in the UK having a 78 out of 80 (97.5%) chance of being carried out by an Islamic group - go check the groups listed by the government or find History Debunked's video, so there is no Islamaphobia. People don't have an irrational fear of men that pretend to be women (go watch Disgruntled Danny) or EVs. People have realised that EVs are not fit for purpose, as they know the ever growing list of reasons not to get one. So no EVphobia - these things are a crock of shite rhat are being used as a smoke screen to deny people private means of transport. C40 cities headed by Smalldiq is proof of this, so again not a phobia
I thought this as well. The story has some holes. Surely this must have been thought of by the manufacturer? Like HGV brakes that now fail on and have to have pressure to release them because of incidents in the past. I would have thought that this would have been a huge safety consideration in the design process?🤔
4 years ago I would probably have thought he's got caught out and he was just doing this for his 15 minutes of fame. But witnessing everything over the past 4 years and all the corruption everywhere and seeing how the police acted during the lockdowns, I have no trust in anything now so I'm on the fence right now, wouldn't put it past jlr, media etc to want to shut him up 🤷♀️
@pennybest6515 The longer this "investigation" goes on, the more time the plod/Jaguar have, to together, work-out a "plausible" story for the arrest !!
Seriously bad press for Jaguar. Thank the gods that Jaguar had chance to independently inspect their own vehicle and declare that it was NOT at fault. The driver therefore must be guilty of making it up. To be fair, I would have much preferred an independent mechanic to have made that decision but as we know from HORIZON, when a computer is involved their is no evidence...
Might be that Plod got their 'My first code reader' out and got some contradictory 'evidence' 🤔 CCTV, throttle sensor, call 📞 or text logs, but SOMETHING has made them say 'driver commanded' 😉
But the brake pedal should overide any throttle input, test it on your own car and press both pedals see for yourself. My 2016 Toyota Auris 1.2T 6 speed manual will overide the throttle once more than 5% of the brake travel is used. My 2003 VW Golf MK4 1.9SDI I had before which was a basic as hell car did exactly the same the brake would overide any throttle imput. There must be more to it and that Jaguar must have been seriously faulty.
True but most modern cars are fly by wire and computer controlled so not just Ex's any mid to high spec car with remote updates can be hacked if sinister forces wanted to create an "Accident"
@@theharshtruth1893They did this on a Jeep nearly 10 years ago just for the sake of it to show its possible. Unless you've got a manual gearbox, a handbrake and have a keyed ignition your car is vunerable to being easier to steal or controlled by hackers and sinister forces as you put it. I will add that in most cars the brake overides the throttle although if hacked this might not be the case and the brakes for now are still physically connected the brake pedal although things like ABS, ESP and traction control could be interfered with as well as the throttle and anything that goes thru the ECU.
How about this one, our local Audi dealership is undergoing a forced refurbishment because an EV caught fire in the maintenance area. The technicians have been told to not post anything on social media.
Good call. I was once stuck in a gym club car park because a driver's club card, used to operate the exit barrier, also set off his handbrake. He couldn't be moved. Everyone had to leave via the entry barrier. He could still be there!!
He sounded genuine to me. He may be a very good storyteller, but it was a lot of hassle to get some attention. The policemen who helped him out of the car after the incident must be able to tell whether he was green or grinning. Waiting for more updates.
Watch his interview again, and take a sip of beer, every time he says the word 'literally'. I'm not sure someone would use that word so much, if they were recounting a genuine event.
remember in 2010 The recall by Toyota includes approximately 2.3 million Toyota cars, trucks and SUVs. The recall is to fix accelerator pedals that become stuck and lead to severe accidents. This recall is separate from the 4.2 million vehicles recalled over floormats trapping the accelerator pedal. Toyota says 1.7 million vehicles are included in both recalls.
I remember that, also there was a story out of the LA area (about the sametime) of a man in his Prius which he had to be assisted by police in slowing down and even stopping his car because he claimed that the throttle had stuck open. He couldn't slow the car. It turned out that he was faking it, the car was about to be repossessed and he was hoping to sue Toyota over that recall. I do believe he did eventually get arrested for misuse of emergency services, falsifying a police report. I don't remember whatever happened to him afterwards.
All l can say is watch this space is it or isn't it remember that MG EV similar sort of instance but after all the MG EV was made in China and we all about the terrible build quality of Chinese vehicles
VW had lawsuits for their cars killing people "unexpected acceleration" and "faulty brakes"... and these were ordinary ICE petrol/diesel cars, so i would not put anything past modern electric cars. ;(
@@androidemulator6952 Who knows well the driver l done 160kph on motorways and back in the 1970s did a couple times l rode from Sydney to Adelaide a couple of times and l crossed the Hay Plains cruising at 160kph on my Suzuki GT750 because there were no police around infact there weren't many cars around but on a Motorway in the UK it would be frightening and EVs are fast
At least they recalled them, unless I've missed something somewhere Tesla still claim that it's driver error when it involves their cars. Despite one driver ''accidentally'' mistaking the accelerator for the brake for around 10km before finally driving it into a wall when traffic became too busy and an accident was inevitable (camera images show him frantically waving at other cars to get out of the way while his wife was dong the same out of the passenger window). He died and she was critically injured in hospital the last I heard, I suspect this one WAS genuine if only because he voluntarily drove into a wall rather than kill an innocent pedestrian or other driver on the road. But Tesla were still insisting he was using the accelerator instead of the brake by accident (their drivers seem to do that a lot strangely enough).
Not how the world works, the longer this stays the focus of social media the greater the damage. If JLR do think that way someone needs to tell them "this story needs to be allowed to die away."
@@murraymaunder8754 I mean, 1, if this were true this would be an issue that goes beyond the just bad publicity in the media and would warrant a much larger investigation, possible recalls and may raise questions about other vehicles that use similar technology. If a glitch does exist that causes EVs to drive as if the throttle was stuck and the brakes had failed, at some point it would happen again, possibly with a less fortunate outcome. JLRs first thought probably wouldn't be about newpaper headlines. But more importantly, 2, it was a joke 😅
As a lifelong mechanic I wondered about this. AFAIK the brakes and throttle are two separate systems. The chance of both failing simultaneously is 1000000s/1 5:3
Has anyone considered the brakes may have failed due to overheating and fading and burning out trying to stop the enormous torque the EV had? From personal experience I pooh pooh police reports and motor vehicle manufacturers reports, or any government report.
The trouble with modern car faults is that they are buried in the software, much like the post office scandal. I had a Suzuki Vitara that had a sticky rear brake from brand new. It was constantly in the dealer to be checked, with the same result - “there is nothing wrong with it sir”… finally I took it apart myself and discovered one of the return springs was upside down. I ended up speaking to a Suzuki race engineer to discover which one was incorrect. Once it was fitted correctly the sticking brake went away. The dealer had never compared the two sides to see what the difference might have been, and I guess JLR’s computer says “no”…
Similar thing my dad had many years ago. Vauxhall would randomly pull the car violently over to the right, sometime not so violently. Dad ended up in central reservations a couple of times. After about 5 visits to the dealers with no solution dad insisted technician go for a drive with him. Sure enough car pulled over to the right towards a central reservation. Ashen faced Tech finally agreed there was a problem. Turned out to be a damaged brake piston/cylinder, a burr on the piston would catch on the edge of the cylinder, bind with the brake disc and almost lock the wheel. (Exact details escape me - it was over 30 years ago)
@@peterbates4696 My point is that you can’t trust a dealer to find a fault, especially if everybody is assuming they are infallible. Dealers only seem to have fitters these days, who are told what to replace by a computer. Even with a simple mechanical issue, I had to talk to a proper expert to figure out what was wrong. I would have thought the post office scandal would show the dangers of assuming there is nothing wrong with the software. I even have my own example. My wife is a business analyst. She tracked down a “missing” £3,000,000! That was caused by incompatibility between two different accounting systems that couldn’t cope with a single code number that started with a 2 instead of a 1! I’m keeping an open mind about this ipace, but I know very well how a set of circumstances can come together and cause havoc in apparently “perfectly safe” systems. Just check out the Boeing 737 Max crashes to see what trying to cut corners results in.
I hope my brakes don't fail on my ICE car ,the police will have to follow me for 500 miles before my fuel runs out! At least with an EV they only had to wait for about 50 miles :)
Only 500, filled up last week and mine said 680 miles left as I pulled out of the petrol station. Maybe we need a scenic route pre-planned just in case? :)
@@WhiteDieselShed :)) well I suffer reduced range as it's a petrol but the new model has LPG and petrol combined and has a 1000km range ,so close to 700 miles !
My 10-year-old Renault Zoe gets more than 50 miles of range at top speed, so have to say I doubt that. Also fuel consumption shoots up like a rocket at higher speeds, you won't be getting any better than 10 MPG in a German car at 250 km/h.
You are talking crap , my car does over 48mpg at 130kph for hours and hours,and it's petrol.... Zoe's are unsaleable pieces of junk that can't even reach the speed limit , the dealers won't even take them in part exchange. One 5 year old one was written off as quoted £7k for a new onboard charging unit - disposable planet killing garbage heaps
I was surprised nobody looked at the onboard telemitry for throttle brake positions. I would have guessed at least the brakepads/handbrake would be toast..
My old car has a £3.50 throttle cable and the spring on the carburetor was 75p , to eliminate this type of incident I might put an extra spring on, sod the expense lol.
Hi If it was his intention to prank everyone it has backfired. Don't forget jlr have vested interest in finding nothing wrong with the car just think of the implications of finding a bug in your vehicle and having to ground the fleet that use the same software, the only person that really knows the truth is the driver
@@royblackburn1163 Old cars are great aren't they. Yes they break down from time to time, but I've never had the throttle jam open at the sane time the brakes have failed, you? I mean if it happened I'd turn the ignition key and take it out of gear, something you can't do on modern cars.
So JLR are now saying its driver error and the dirty police are happy to comply. Blame the driver as no error was found in the software! I SMELL A RAT !!
Only a single rat? A whole political rats' nest (well feathered at the public's expense) more like. Take heart though - the gravy train is about to suffer a replacement bus service.
I don't know, if the car would have detected that the brake was pressed it would have reacted but as it didn't do that you have the drivers word. Even if he still remembers what he had done before this failure ( if it was a failure), I am not sure that it could be easily reproduced by JLR engineering. Even if the engineers are in good faith and they find a fault and fix it I doubt that JLR management will recognize and assume the blame. It seems to be similar with Tesla deadly incidents from France and China. The sad thing is that it could happen regardless of your engine type. Moral of the story, read youruser manual regarding inducing failsafe mode and safety engine cuts and practice them in safe environments because you don't know when you need them. PS. If your EV or hybrid is in flames run and keep a big distance because you have no chance to put that fire out.
Anything to bring down the reputation of EVs is never truly covered in the media. What are we supposed to think when they cant tell truths when they happen ??
The media didn't cover the story because it was so obvious it was fake. Even someone sitting on the fence about EVs like me can see that. It was left to the anti-EV zealots desperate to jump on an Anti-EV story to regurgitate his fabricated story and they all fell for it hook, line and sinker.
Apparently Craig Phillips (1st Big Brother winner) also has an ipace, this happened to him just before xmas with his family in the car, it was much lower speed, but brakes failed, as he was approaching red light. Luckily the lights changed and he was able to coast through. Can't remember how he said he eventually stopped, but he managed it. He's also had nothing but problems with the car.
I watched your interview with great interest, at 7pm on June 21st 2003 our almost new BMW 320d ran out of control whilst on the A50 heading for Stoke. I was driving my wife’s car using cruise control and as we approached each of the roundabouts would knock off the CC, slow down, take the roundabout then put the CC back on. Approaching the last roundabout before Stoke , switched off the CC but nothing happened, pushed on the brake pedal (that should have disabled the CC) it went strait to the floor. Heading to roundabout at 70mph, duel carriageway onto duel carriageway, the rear slid against the central reservation kerb with a loud bang and then the car slowed down. We kept the car, BMW wouldn’t admit to anything being wrong with it saying it was driver error, I have to this day never used cruise control again.
We had roughly the same , the ACC was working great, slowing us at round abouts and at speed signs, did not need to touch a pedal. Then the sat nav "detected" us on a totally different road, centre lane of the motorway it braked us down to 45 mph for a "bend" then it sped up to 70mph and braked again down to 30mph because of the limit on the other road. We were being told to turn RIGHT, on a motorway, 30-40mph limits. Turned off the ACC and no problems since, garage says no problems detected.
Yep, could be that they’ve read the cars ‘brain’ (aka saved evidence) and want to interview him for his daily speeding offences, keeping up with traffic in-between the many many roadworks.
It also means that contempt of Court based reporting restrictions kick in, as it starts proceedings. Publication of too much additional information beyond the point of arrest could be seen to be interfering with the administration of justice, and might prejudice the potential Defendant's right to a fair trial
I remember that about ten years ago a petrol Lexus went wrong in the USA. The throttle jammed, couldn't find neutral and the people in the car died. I am very wary about the amount of electronic gizmos in modern vehicles, the expression "too clever by half" may sound old fashioned today but it applies so much more to many aspects of modern life.
I am no fan of blacked out cars. I think they are ugly and disgusting. We have the same problem here in the U.S. But my guess here is that the police are protecting JLR. This incident likely caused their reputation to suffer a lot of damage, as if it weren't bad enough already.
I'm betting the computer in the car logged all the accelerator and brake pedal inputs. Also all button presses (On/Off, Drive, Neutral etc). Perhaps it was recoding that data just fine but the data was inconsistent with the drivers story. And what about the normal hydraulic brakes? Two failures are possible but two that dissapear afterwards is pretty unlikely.
Have to say, I pegged him as a wrongun, possibly flew past old bill at stupid mph then came up with an instant blag having too many points on his licence for a big ticket?
He did not fool me, I figured there would be more to it, Accelerator and brakes failing. Not once but twice to the same bloke. Oh and the neutral select did not work. Three failures on one car, twice.
Hi Geoff; having listened very carefully to your interview (three times!); I sort of expected something like this might happen. There were some "holes" in the interview, I agree, but given the traumatic nature of the incident, and the fact that the driver was in contact with the police as it happened - for the second time, we were told: it may well be that you were told the truth. I'm sure you recall that, after the first incident, we were told that JLR could not trace a fault. Even so, had it been me, I would be very reluctant to drive the vehicle again. That begs the question; why did he continue to use the car? If we assume that your interviewee was indeed innocent and that his car did in fact have an undiscovered fault; then it appears that the police may have either acted precipitously, or they know something we don't; possibly as a result of forensic examination of the car. My final point is; if there was no fault and this man simply wished to avoid prosecution, phoning the police would be part of a pretty elaborate plan, followed by a high speed manoeuvre which would require nerves of steel and skills far beyond those of even the most experienced racing driver! I've raced as a successful amateur for 60 years, and it's not something I would even dream of trying. Not very helpful, I know, but no doubt it'll all come out in the wash. One thing's for sure; with all the incidents there have been since the introduction of EVs; there are NO circumstances under which I would entertain one.
If he was stopped by police when driving at 90mph, it must mean that just prior to the ""failure"", the car, under his control, was already doing 90mph. Isn't that how electric cars drive? Instant response to the accelerator being pressed? (Apologies; retired legislator)
When I listened to your interview with this guy and then I realised where it was M58 then M6,then he got onto the M62 I was trying to figure out how he went around,the two islands at the end of the M58 doing in excess off 100 mph, as I have been on that section of the motorway a few thousand times, and that’s the part of the story I didn’t believe, unless he’s a expert rally driver or formula 2 or 3 driver 🤷♂️🤷♂️👍
I think he was travelling on the M58 towards Liverpool and Switch Island then onto the M57 via the smooth left lane link. If cops blocked the lights there it's possible to get around there at a good speed. Then he accessed the M62 from the M57 where there is another smooth inside lane link that can be taken at high speed with police assistance to clear the path.
He did say, in that interview, about a couple of roundabouts he was worried about when he was talking to the police. They advised him to carry on and I think the police were nearby at that time also.
@@Hitstirrer if he was on the 57 there would of been plenty of time to stop him, on the 58 or 57 the police are slow but not that slow and at maghull, the police station is just for M-way police and they would of got there in about 3 minutes tops still sounds fishy which ever way he went
@@peterclarke3300 - At the time the police were told that the car was fully powered and at high speed. Normal boxing in wouldn't work as the powerful car would push others aside. It would need a 'Pit' manoeuvre as if it was a fleeing criminal to spin off the road - but could kill the driver. So they asked the remaining range and opted to free run him 20 miles left to stop from lack of battery.
@@Hitstirrer like I said taking the bends before the end of the 58 at 100mph going onto switch island I still think it’s doubtful especially with the cambers on that part and at 100 mph
But if the braking system on an iPace is electronically controlled but hydraulically applied then if the electrics were toast it may not allow you to brake. I don’t know how the system is set up, but I assume the manufacturer made it so you cannot accelerate and brake at the same time as this is counterproductive and not energy efficient or economical driving.
If the pedal isn’t connected directly to the hydraulic system like it’s always been and relies on computers / electronics then that’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.
@@petea7323 More modern cars with self driving software use "Fly-By-Wire" tech, as is standard in passenger planes. This enables the car to brake if it senses an obstacle, and mine does exactly that. The big difference IS, aircraft have multiple redundancy for when things go wrong. If a child runs out in front of the car, it should brake HARD before you even have time to react. Does it work in practice? I don't know.
It's just a normal hydraulic brake system with an electric booster. If the booster fails you still have unassisted brakes which will stop the car if you put enough force into them.
The government must have put a call in to merseyside police! I have contacts in the force, il be back geoff. REPLY: They "cant find any fault with the vehicle" which is baffling! That's why hes been arrested & my own guess is he'll be released on bail pending further enquiries. The police recovery company are still in possession of the jag, if I hear anything else il update this. The 2nd time this happened last week he had his mum in the car didnt he? Why would he put his mums life at risk by flooring it for attention? I think hes telling the truth & jag are trying to cover up there mess!
I would love to know the investigation procedures for this. Presumably JLR shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the vehicle, the police themselves should obviously forensically examine it (do they even have experts capable enough? Would they bring in a third party firm to do it for them?), and then the insurer should carry out their own investigation and examination, and Nathan should be given the opportunity to get someone of his own to investigate it... It strikes me that the police have limited time and resources and are not invested in the outcome to expend what they consider to be more than necessary resources on it. The underwriter would have *some* interest in proving it was a fault, but they're not going to expend too much on it as it'll be cheaper to just pay out the claim after a point. JLR will obviously want to check it out and make sure that if there is a fault (or faults) then it's just on that particular vehicle and not something that could happen on all I-Paces, but obviously they don't want to find any faults at all... The only way to get a truly thorough and impartial investigation done would be for Nathan to fund it himself, which I'm guessing probably isn't going to be feasible. I think I'll still have some doubt about this even if he's convicted, unless there's some incontrovertible evidence shown.
I think it's either: 1) They have taken his phone to interrogate as standard police work and have found that he was using it while driving before the incident and want to prosecute him. Or 2) He owes massive finance on the car and wants Jaguar to buy it back!
At this point in time I am probably more likely to believe that the Police would rather arrest an innocent "victim" than allow evidence that speaks against the narrative. Safe & Effective.
One man's story was on the verge of wiping out all future EV sales. So the "powers that be" intervened and told the police to arrest him. Problem solved.
Actually that wasn't a surprise to me. Very common for faults in electronics to dissapear and be hard to identify. However I'm pretty sure the brakes will have a conventional hydraulic backup so a runaway would require two faults, both of which dissapear. That seems unlikely. I'm also pretty sure the computers on many cars, not just electric, log driver inputs, for example accelerator and brake pedal force and positions, ditto any button presses (on/off/neutral etc).
@@Will46666 Why do you think the police WOULD lie? Stop making such childish comments and grow up. It's something a 17 year old chav would come out with.
@@See_more.... I said that these days you can believe NOTHING that the police say. In the past you could trust that they would tell the truth or be held to account if they didn’t.
Considering how the UK arrests the people trying to defend themselves from assailants it makes sense they would arrest the driver of an out-of-control car. Bonkers.
Regardless of the method of propulsion, EV or ICE, i find it hard to believe a vehicle can not be shut down in an emergency. Health and safety (yes, i know 🙄) dictates all things must fail to safe, not danger. I know modern cars dont have keys,mine included, but holding the engine start button in should shut the vehicle down. We really need clarity on this incident as it has created concerns for many people.
I just listened to your interview with this driver and to be absolutely honest I believe every word he says, who could doubt him really, he was clear and concise, never missed a beat, never got lost for words, it was obviously just pooring from his memories. I feel so sorry for him, poor lad, he should be proud of himself, that he was adept enough to survive and not harm himself or anyone else, and he did that twice, well done and shame on them. It should be that garage in trouble for letting such a dangerous thing back on the road.
Who knows, but I do know that if it had really happened the first time as claimed then there is absolutely no way I would get back in that car again for it to happen a second time unless the cause was definitively found and fixed.
I said at the time, whilst not commenting on this individual case, and putting EV or ICE to oneside, nearly all these runaway incidents seem to turn out different after investigation. Anyone who has worked on cars, even modern ones controlled by software, know that you would need multiple disparate systems to fail in a very particular way, all at the same time. For example: why would brake inputs fail at the same time as the accelerator had become stuck? And why does the accelerator become stuck at a manageable speed?
In aviation it is called "The Swiss cheese model" - unfortunately the holes in the safety systems & protocols line up all too often & people die. If an accident can happen it will given the thousands of chances available every day. The only questions are when & how often. The other certainty is that we will never be told the truth...pilot error (or here driver's fault) is so convenient & genuinely hard to rule out.
Facts that I know as a ev driver although not a jaguar. When the 12volt battery goes flat the brakes do not work. The pedal goes straight to the floor and does nothing. The cars are multiplex wired which means that something as trivial as the rear camera not working because of water ingress can cause the speedo and the abs to malfunction. I'm currently driving around in a ev with no speedometer or abs brakes or traction control and a handbrake that will not release sometimes because it says on the dashboard that it will not release because either one of the doors are open or the bonnet or the boot is open. The only way to get the handbrake off is to disconnect the 12 v battery. As he said in the fist interview it was heavy rain so maybe water getting into the electrical system caused the problem.
I regret not looking for a car with a good old fashioned handbrake , I cannot imagine owning a lekki car. I mean a BUTTON for neutral ,naa gimme a piece of metal that moves other pieces of metal.
the brown paper bags had not been exchanged yet..... they have now... if it goes to trial he will face the same defence as that guy from that "airplane" mob.
The whole scenario seems unlikely. The car should have some failsafe. The brakes on an ipace are hydraulic and are not controlled electronically, except that is to add servo assistance. There is nothing to prevent the car stopping if they are pressed hard enough
It astonishes me that given the price of a current car, of all the BS features manufacturers pretend they have, a 20p kill switch is the thing the manufacturer decides to cost save. Next lawsuit, wrongful arrest, defamation, endangerment and a product recall
There should be big red kill switch on the very center of dashboard like on some heavy industrial machinery - lathe, press etc. :) To be fair - all hybrids and ev have some kind of cricut braker or removable safety fuse that you have to remove before you work on the car electric system. Unfortunately most of the time they are hidden very well in places that cant be accessed from the driver seat - not to mention while driving :P
A few years back you had the case of the artic lorry who brakes had failed and the accelerator was stuck, the lorry driver had the police on the phone and had a police escort for miles until he eventually crashed the truck to come to a stop. There was loads of news reports of how the guy was a hero for dealing with the situation, then it went quiet, and then it was announced he was charged by the police because they couldn’t find anything wrong with the vehicle. 🤔
I remember that and always wondered why he just didnt turn the ignition off. His excuse was he would lose power steering , like you steer a lot on a straight motorway
Don't know that story but what I do know is the political elite probably have shares in a certain company added with that speculation remember what those in authority did to quieten descent towards those challenging science and data a few years back [cough / splutter seems enough]. Added in to all the aforementioned the vox popli against ULEZ & EV's and Climate Change all being 'restricted' *Now* I'm not saying the 31 year old is innocent because I'm not privy to the data, reports etc but I see a Post Office on the Horizon
It's what happened at the Mull of Kintyre re the Chinook crash. The FADEC switched the engine on max forward thrust and whack into the side of a mountain, except it was said to be a pilot error.
If it was all an act then this guy needs an oscar. I hope he was arrested just for questioning & I hope this arrest wasn't done for some corrupt goverment purposes.
My husband and I watched the interview earlier today and not once did he come off as lying or not quite telling the truth. He sounded absolutely terrified during the description of both incidents, and he's tried time and time again to get the dealership to do something. If he wasn't telling the truth then he wouldn't have wanted the car to be checked out by the police in such forensic detail. He literally didn't think he was going to make it through the either incident, but especially the second time alive! That's not someone speeding and driving recklessly, and he wouldn't have been the one to call the police if he was driving in that manner deliberately! I think someone's head needs a wobble in the Police! My mum had trouble with a brand new Metro in the 80s that had an intermittent fault with the brakes. Rover tried, after cursory glances tried to say there was nothing wrong with it, on multiple occasions. The tried the old 'She's just a female driver' etc, until my dad took it next door to the dealer which was the police headquarters and explained the situation to them. They investigated it in their garage and found the brand new car to be a death trap with serious manufacture defects, and took action against the dealer so my dad could get his money back as they refused before then to take the car back. Incidentally that model was actually subject to a recall after that!
Had a faulty brake with a brand new Metro Turbo years ago. Returned it to the dealer and Service Manager found no fault. I insisted Service Manager drove it. Grumpy Service Manager - 'Its driving fine - nothing wrong with it'. - suddenly brakes failed and he went white!
My mom had similar issues with a 91 Mazda 323 and a new faulty master brake cylinder. She shat her pants a few times, we replaced the master cylinder and everything worked perfectly. Knowing how automakers were bought up in the past decade i'd avoid anything that doesn't from Japan or France.
@@eivis13 Omg, that's spooky! In the mid 90s my mum then had a Mazda 323 sports shape with pop up headlights with a back to front master cylinder, that she bought off the dealership garage workshop manager that was revved up and all speedy. She loved the car but it had the same issues, then the guy realised he'd fitted it back to front. What was weird was she had brakes if it was an emergency stop, but none for gradual braking. Once it was put on the right way round it was as well. She loved that car, she loved beating anything she could off the red lights just to annoy blokes in bmw's etc even more! 😆😂
Oh wow, this will help EV sales no end won't it? Not only can the damn things choose to try and kill you and other innocent road users either through incineration or blunt force trauma or both but if one makes an attempt on your life and you report it then you get arrested. This particular incident could go many ways, some good and some terrible, a good one would be an immediate moratorium on EV sales and a bad one being big brother using it as an example of why they think all new models of EV's ought to have a remote stop facility so some copper somewhere can match your reg and hit a big red button. It's way past time to just call it quits and admit this damnable EV experiment has been a dismal and downright dangerous failure.
WOW! What do you think?! Firstly, hit SUBSCRIBE. Then, leave a comment. Then, watch the interview again, maybe read between the lines this time... Cheers all, will update when we know more...! ruclips.net/video/6SVxmqS5_60/видео.html
Here's a thought though... if it was all faked, why would he do a 45 minute interview with someone for RUclips...? Lots to discuss. I'm with Nathan at the moment.
Well it's one of 2 things, either a massive cover-up or this 'victim' is just a knob-end that wanted his GTA5 moment and 15 mins of fame.
As I commented on the interview, his story is full of holes, especially with blatant lies about the car itself. Anybody who hasn't had an i-pace probably wouldn't have picked up on most of it though.
oooooh let's hear more Mick! Break it down for us?@@mick8766
15 minutes of fame
I told you he'd be arrested. So obvious when you listen to his story with an open mind and not an anti-EV bias.
They've arrested him because this incident has likely impacted EV sales. Got to punish the dissenters somehow I guess.
yeah but its happened twice, which I find hard to believe that thats true.
Then again, EVs are POS vehicles and the UK gov has been supressing anything that goes against "EV good must buy!!11!"
Or he was just some nutter desperate for some attention.......
Stop judging others by your own standards when we clearly live in a world full of bad and crazy people....
Lol 🤣
Absolutely true 😂
That is EXACTLY what it is: they're going to make him the scapegoat because they don't tolerate such negative news on EV's.
I can already promise you that the police will do the technical forensics, so sorry to say he's already screwed.
Why on earth would you contact 999 and report yourself for speeding unless something was going seriously wrong
Brilliant comment.
@GeoffBuysCars
People do engage in attention seeking behaviour, I have no idea if that is the case in this instance. Of course, real electrical machines have a big red emergency stop button that just overrides everything.
Its called....... Needing Attention
@@Fred-gu6pk Only people called Morag would do that Fred, surely?
Nobody seeks attention like an EV driver.@@GeoffBuysCars
Where do all these coppers magically appear from because they are bloody invisible 99% of the time!!😂😂😂😂
🤔perhaps they were his imaginary friends🤣😂🤣😂
I thought that at the time.
They were at their usual haunt, the KFC (check the compensation claims bet at least one has a claim for spilling his coffee in his bargin bucket 😂
McDonalds.
MacDonalds!
"Jaguar investigated the car and declared that it was both safe and effective" 🤣
Which episode did they react to?
That'll be a Jabuar I assume 😂
But breaks down a lot
You really think with all the legal implications if they didn't thoroughly check it over that they didn't look at all the logs on the car and see that he was clearly making it up? Wake up.
I grew suspicious when I found out he was dressed up as Sandra Bullock
🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂
Told you it was a load of Bullocks !!!
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Oh, man. That made me laugh!
bugger just activated that speed camera, hold on I've got a cunning plan!!!!!!
That’s 100% my thought ,
Exactly. That was the first thought that entered my head. Youngish bloke , day dreaming in a car that runs silently and offers little feedback on the speeds you are reaching.
Agree,just like that lorry driver some years ago on the motorway,who claimed that his brakes etc failed. He had obviously been watching that film Speed with Sandra Bulluck and Dennis Hopper.Yes cars have issues from time to tme but this one is cooked up for moment of fame and or to avoid speeding tickets,.
Just what I was thinking, it would be interesting to find out if he had a lot of points and this would have got him banned?
Probably already got speeding points and and with more equals a Ban. But hope not for him ad I don't know him.
The cover up begins.........next they'll tell us it was actually a diesel.
Coverup or we simply can't trust the readings from the car because if they have detected that the brake was pushed it would have reacted?
@@elenabob4953if it didnt read the pedal it didnt fucking log it did it 😂
Rumor has it that it wasn't 140 mph, he misread the speedo, it was 14 mph...."honestly yer honour" 🤣
@M-se5of 😂 ...which isn't plummeting a fraction of his credibility, and the credibility (what little there was of it) of this channel😂
Soon to be renamed "Geoff buys bullshit"🤣😂
There are many questions, but it could well be a cover up.
Hello Geoff i always enjoy ur videos
We used to hve a Bosch and Lancia dealership in Holland
I sold up 2 years ago
I actually had a dutch customer with an I pace with the same problem ,he actually had abs units wiring looms and updates done by multiple jaguardealers in holland ,he actually drove intoo his own house
The problem is still not resolved he has this now for the last 3 or 4 years
So i think this story is real
Keep up the good work
Anton Veldman
Living in Eire now
Thanks😊
Sounds familiar believe this man.
The BIG positive thing about RUclipsrs like Geoff is that they stay on the story, unlike BBC and the rest of the mass media. Please keep us updated!!
Gotta keep all the conspiracy stuff on the boil for clicks and income for sure.
Better than GB,BBC and Sky news!
Just read this in the Telegraph hours ago 🤔
@@oldbloke204
Establishment disinfo agent says what?
I heard he spent a few hours washing the egg off his face prior to churning out this latest blockbuster.....I mean, clickbater😂
I can believe him because I worked for a company that had forklift trucks with fly by wire controls and there was a number of incidents where the truck continued to accelerate after the operator had taken his foot off the accelerator
Forklift truck and EV Jag... OK 🙄
Whilst the jury is still out - just remember the arrested Post Office managers. ;)
Good point. VERY good point.
Exactly. The computer is not always right.👀
The police didn't arrest the sub post masters
Going to doubt every single arrest are you?
@@timsbird1971 Just saying... doubting every single arrest is the cornerstone of our legal system. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.
The whole thing was photoshop! ...oh sorry, wrong conspiracy.
It was all Donald |Trump's fault
😂😂😂
SHE'S DEAD! oh wrong video
LOL!
they are lizard people or was the picture edited to remove uncle from the picture ? lol
So Jaguar took another look at it and decided that nothing is wrong with the car. Move along, nothing to see. "What's the best thing we can do to save our reputation? Let's phone the cops and get the guy arrested".
that sound like bottom of it?
He did mention the DVSA were looking into it, will be interesting if they publish a report.
this
JLR wouldn't have been involved in the police investigation. It would have been the DVSA.
@@davep3969 Jaguar will have had to look at the code and logs on the vehicles ECU as it's IP, without a court order they will not give it up and it's unlikely the DVSA will have the hardware and skills to even look at it. Jaguar will have made a report on the computers and log files (if log files exist) for the DVSA, the goverment involves experts from vendors where appropriate (see the government and post office investigation and the use of Fujitsu to investigate)
I was troubled by the fact that when the police car got in front, the button to select neutral suddenly worked>>>>>>>>>
Yes. That was my main problem (,along with his saying where he was at various points, seemed out of sync)
A front proximity detection sensor (probably for active cruise control??? or other functions) would have tripped another circuit/software routine and enabled the button.
My Range Rover unlocks and locks randomly, I don't trust the software routines. I suspect there is something here.
@@BRMCaptChaosThe more electronic and digital technology there is, the worse everything is. I certainly wouldn't feel safe in a car that locks and unlocks itself. Tesla's don't even have door handles. Fuck that.
....and the brakes on an entirely different circuit ceased working at the very same time.
Being arrested doesn't mean you are guilty of anything. Having said that, I am not shocked
In the West Midlands they arrest you for thinking in the wrong location!
And driving under the influence of drink and drugs
And escaping from the jackanory set🤣
I can imagine a full "no comment" interview at the cop shop 🤣😂
@@David-bl1bt they already have his statement on Geoffs channel
Looks to me as JLR is about to go the Post Office route and say their computer system works perfectly and it was all the drivers doing.
British Gas too.
A couple of things need to be said. During your interview, you asked him how he got through a junction or roundabout safely while travelling about 120mph. He just said he got through it but didnt elaborate. I picked up on that at the time and did wonder why he hadnt answered the question. However, I did not get the overall impression that it was all a tall tale. I do have a Tesla myself and started to think what I could do if the software glitched while I was driving and the car went into overdrive. As far as I can tell, there is nothing I could do. There is no way for me to turn off the power from inside the car. Even if the whole story was fabricated, it still leaves the interesting question of what drivers of EVs could do if the car software glitches and takes over.
Makes me wonder how we have managed for over 100 years of motoring without “software” in vehicles.
this isn't a thought to just EVs, modern automatic push start ice cars could do it in theory.
Hang on - HE CALLED THE POLICE - didn't he?
Yes.
So did Karen Matthews when her daughter "went missing".
The thing I don't understand on the interview you did was that JLR couldn't find a fault and he continued to drive it. I would have got rid as the car turned into Christine and tried to kill me.
Total speculation... Did he call the police after passing a speed camera and thought this would be a good excuse?
Sounds like he could be an extreme exhibitionist...
@@MarkSlavin there are no speed cameras on that section of the Motorway where he was stopped. 😞 m57 to m62 warrington
Wait till he get the bill for damaging the police car
...and for their time.
He should just forward it to jaguar. They'll pay quicker than you could sign a compensation cheque I imagine.
can u see any damage on any car tho ?
@@AnonJohn143I bet the computer logs everything.
@@tonysheerness2427oh yeah, because hardware/software always works correctly. Post office scandal anyone?
My only suspicion came when he carried on using the car after Jaguar said they found nothing wrong. If that were me and it was genuine, I would not want to drive the car again, I would have lost all confidence in it.
On the other hand, I had an Audi RS GT which did weird things like the tailgate opened by itself, so when I’d come back to the car after shopping the tailgate was wide open. Caffyns said there was nothing wrong and insisted I had pressed the key. The key has to be pressed twice! This went on for months, then an Audi recall came which replaced the tailgate harness. However it still happened after that albeit not as much. There were other things apart from this, which ended in me forcing Caffyns to buy it back.
My point is, the Audi technicians didn’t really know enough about the car to make a proper diagnosis because when then looked at the computer faults there were apparently 20,000 plus faults!
So are Jaguar any different as they are made by Tata in Mumbai India now?
Breaking news: Man says that if his mysteriously malfunctioned then he would deffo not use it again, only to then go on about how his car mysteriously malfunctioned and he carried on using it. 🙂
Not quite the same is it Mr clever clogs. The Jaguar was clearly dangerous to drive, whereas my car had various annoying faults which were not going to possibly kill me or anybody else.
The only thing i questioned is if it had happened once, i wouldn't drive it again!
If you’re on finance and don’t have the money to keep paying for a car you don’t want and buy and insure another then you’re a bit fvcked.
arguably people were stupid to buy them from the start.
This is what jumped out to me, I wouldn’t dare drive that thing again.
My thought entirely
I imagine that's why they arrested him? He knew it could be dangerous.
JLR’s highest priority. Well they didn’t give a toss the first time it happened
maybe because there was actually nothing wrong with the car, and it was just a attempt at a scam. it would make sense
Or security 😂😂😂😂
@@TheHiveHound pure speculation, all these new cars are fly by wire, adding extra complexity.
@Jamaca22 fly by wire, is throttle and regenerative breaking systems, under eu legislation brake by wire and stear by wire are both illegal. there must be a physical connection as a fail safe. which the I pace has by law, you can find the legislation very easily online, (FYI all our cars meet eu standards even if we are no longer part of the eu).
there is a difference between speculation and knowledge. fyi don't like EVs, but I dislike BS even more. I initially fell for it myself, but a little research and you can quickly establish its improbable, it would require multiple system failures both mechanical and electrical.
@@TheHiveHound Unless the main brain was defective/ interfered with.
My younger daughter bought a brand new Jaguar, and had major issues with the brakes and other things. Jaguar had the car in repeatedly for an extended period, and she was given a Discovery as a courtesy car, which she racked up more miles in than her Jaguar. She said that she would never buy another one, as the Customer Service was shoddy at best. They lied to her repeatedly, damaged the car and tried to cover it up, accused her of damaging it, but she always took photos when she took it in. The Landrover side have been very different, hence her new car. Eventually they bought it back from her and she bought a second hand Discovery.
I saw this coming... Ran a speed camera, then fabricated a situation to get out of it... It's not the first time...
Spot on
Think of the fear people will now have with Electric cars
Remember the postmaster scandal
And What the government is capable of.
Post master ... ?? That's a drop in the bucket compared to the plandemic
I disagree - people don't have yet another phobia.
There is a rational and justifiable fear of a terrorist attack in the UK having a 78 out of 80 (97.5%) chance of being carried out by an Islamic group - go check the groups listed by the government or find History Debunked's video, so there is no Islamaphobia.
People don't have an irrational fear of men that pretend to be women (go watch Disgruntled Danny) or EVs.
People have realised that EVs are not fit for purpose, as they know the ever growing list of reasons not to get one. So no EVphobia - these things are a crock of shite rhat are being used as a smoke screen to deny people private means of transport. C40 cities headed by Smalldiq is proof of this, so again not a phobia
Also the Iraq war, grooming gangs and covid.
Never gave me a fear of postmasters though …. 😂😂😂
@@jamesrich9945fear of hoaxes and lies are for the slaves
Brakes failing means you just can’t stop quickly. If throttle stuck on, 90 would have been exceeded.
Absolute load of bollocks
Came here to say that. Previous event at 3am was120 mph. But who knows?
I thought this as well. The story has some holes.
Surely this must have been thought of by the manufacturer? Like HGV brakes that now fail on and have to have pressure to release them because of incidents in the past.
I would have thought that this would have been a huge safety consideration in the design process?🤔
sure you can. I stopped in 3 protected cactus lengths with no brakes. Thank god for statue of limitations.
I remember thinking this dude blew past a couple speed cameras and decided to blame the car.
Be telling if he's on 9 points.
4 years ago I would probably have thought he's got caught out and he was just doing this for his 15 minutes of fame. But witnessing everything over the past 4 years and all the corruption everywhere and seeing how the police acted during the lockdowns, I have no trust in anything now so I'm on the fence right now, wouldn't put it past jlr, media etc to want to shut him up 🤷♀️
@pennybest6515 The longer this "investigation" goes on, the more time the plod/Jaguar have, to together, work-out a "plausible" story for the arrest !!
Seriously bad press for Jaguar. Thank the gods that Jaguar had chance to independently inspect their own vehicle and declare that it was NOT at fault. The driver therefore must be guilty of making it up. To be fair, I would have much preferred an independent mechanic to have made that decision but as we know from HORIZON, when a computer is involved their is no evidence...
The problem is the telemetry may well show the accelerator on the floor… it won’t show whether that is a fault or a foot…
Might be that Plod got their 'My first code reader' out and got some contradictory 'evidence' 🤔 CCTV, throttle sensor, call 📞 or text logs, but SOMETHING has made them say 'driver commanded' 😉
Yep - that is what they said about the runaway Tesla in China
If the telemetry shows full throttle that could be because the pedal position electronics was experiencing an intermittent fault.
It will show the throttle potentiometer. It will also show the pressure applied to the pedal.
But the brake pedal should overide any throttle input, test it on your own car and press both pedals see for yourself. My 2016 Toyota Auris 1.2T 6 speed manual will overide the throttle once more than 5% of the brake travel is used. My 2003 VW Golf MK4 1.9SDI I had before which was a basic as hell car did exactly the same the brake would overide any throttle imput. There must be more to it and that Jaguar must have been seriously faulty.
Another reason not to buy an EV??
Why?
One of many reasons.
True but most modern cars are fly by wire and computer controlled so not just Ex's any mid to high spec car with remote updates can be hacked if sinister forces wanted to create an "Accident"
@@theharshtruth1893They did this on a Jeep nearly 10 years ago just for the sake of it to show its possible. Unless you've got a manual gearbox, a handbrake and have a keyed ignition your car is vunerable to being easier to steal or controlled by hackers and sinister forces as you put it. I will add that in most cars the brake overides the throttle although if hacked this might not be the case and the brakes for now are still physically connected the brake pedal although things like ABS, ESP and traction control could be interfered with as well as the throttle and anything that goes thru the ECU.
@@MrSJMaxson why not
How about this one, our local Audi dealership is undergoing a forced refurbishment because an EV caught fire in the maintenance area.
The technicians have been told to not post anything on social media.
Braking News you mean? 😄
No Braking news apparently
I'm glad I am not the only one who made that association.
Nice 😂
Good call. I was once stuck in a gym club car park because a driver's club card, used to operate the exit barrier, also set off his handbrake. He couldn't be moved. Everyone had to leave via the entry barrier. He could still be there!!
He sounded genuine to me. He may be a very good storyteller, but it was a lot of hassle to get some attention. The policemen who helped him out of the car after the incident must be able to tell whether he was green or grinning. Waiting for more updates.
Watch his interview again, and take a sip of beer, every time he says the word 'literally'. I'm not sure someone would use that word so much, if they were recounting a genuine event.
I was more interested by the mother's statement about the car,it all rings true to me .These EV's are as "safe" as "smart" motorways!
@@jackiefisher1820They’re as safe as the people driving them.
remember in 2010
The recall by Toyota includes approximately 2.3 million Toyota cars, trucks and SUVs. The recall is to fix accelerator pedals that become stuck and lead to severe accidents. This recall is separate from the 4.2 million vehicles recalled over floormats trapping the accelerator pedal. Toyota says 1.7 million vehicles are included in both recalls.
I remember that, also there was a story out of the LA area (about the sametime) of a man in his Prius which he had to be assisted by police in slowing down and even stopping his car because he claimed that the throttle had stuck open. He couldn't slow the car. It turned out that he was faking it, the car was about to be repossessed and he was hoping to sue Toyota over that recall. I do believe he did eventually get arrested for misuse of emergency services, falsifying a police report. I don't remember whatever happened to him afterwards.
All l can say is watch this space is it or isn't it remember that MG EV similar sort of instance but after all the MG EV was made in China and we all about the terrible build quality of Chinese vehicles
VW had lawsuits for their cars killing people "unexpected acceleration" and "faulty brakes"... and these were ordinary ICE petrol/diesel cars, so i would not put anything past modern electric cars. ;(
@@androidemulator6952 Who knows well the driver l done 160kph on motorways and back in the 1970s did a couple times l rode from Sydney to Adelaide a couple of times and l crossed the Hay Plains cruising at 160kph on my Suzuki GT750 because there were no police around infact there weren't many cars around but on a Motorway in the UK it would be frightening and EVs are fast
At least they recalled them, unless I've missed something somewhere Tesla still claim that it's driver error when it involves their cars. Despite one driver ''accidentally'' mistaking the accelerator for the brake for around 10km before finally driving it into a wall when traffic became too busy and an accident was inevitable (camera images show him frantically waving at other cars to get out of the way while his wife was dong the same out of the passenger window). He died and she was critically injured in hospital the last I heard, I suspect this one WAS genuine if only because he voluntarily drove into a wall rather than kill an innocent pedestrian or other driver on the road. But Tesla were still insisting he was using the accelerator instead of the brake by accident (their drivers seem to do that a lot strangely enough).
All the members of the board of directors of JLR have just breathed a sigh of relief as their plan to shift blame to the owner has worked.
Y’all can’t handle the truth on this one
Not how the world works, the longer this stays the focus of social media the greater the damage. If JLR do think that way someone needs to tell them "this story needs to be allowed to die away."
@@murraymaunder8754 I mean, 1, if this were true this would be an issue that goes beyond the just bad publicity in the media and would warrant a much larger investigation, possible recalls and may raise questions about other vehicles that use similar technology. If a glitch does exist that causes EVs to drive as if the throttle was stuck and the brakes had failed, at some point it would happen again, possibly with a less fortunate outcome. JLRs first thought probably wouldn't be about newpaper headlines. But more importantly, 2, it was a joke 😅
who else thinks that electronic cars should have a dead man's lever or pedal incase of such situation
You'd be stuck in traffic all day because idiots in their Tesla would yell at their iPad "I'M ALIVE".
A red button on the dashboard. I thought that would be a good idea yonks ago, probably wouldn't inspire confidence though.
100%
They have one but it's under the car.. an isolator you remove but you are right, it should be on the dashboard.
I have wondered about simply switching the thing off but I suspect the car has electric power steering which would then freeze solid.
As a lifelong mechanic I wondered about this. AFAIK the brakes and throttle are two separate systems. The chance of both failing simultaneously is 1000000s/1 5:3
exactly, even when my diesel breaks down. its just one thing.
Has anyone considered the brakes may have failed due to overheating and fading and burning out trying to stop the enormous torque the EV had? From personal experience I pooh pooh police reports and motor vehicle manufacturers reports, or any government report.
The trouble with modern car faults is that they are buried in the software, much like the post office scandal. I had a Suzuki Vitara that had a sticky rear brake from brand new. It was constantly in the dealer to be checked, with the same result - “there is nothing wrong with it sir”… finally I took it apart myself and discovered one of the return springs was upside down. I ended up speaking to a Suzuki race engineer to discover which one was incorrect. Once it was fitted correctly the sticking brake went away. The dealer had never compared the two sides to see what the difference might have been, and I guess JLR’s computer says “no”…
Similar thing my dad had many years ago. Vauxhall would randomly pull the car violently over to the right, sometime not so violently. Dad ended up in central reservations a couple of times. After about 5 visits to the dealers with no solution dad insisted technician go for a drive with him. Sure enough car pulled over to the right towards a central reservation. Ashen faced Tech finally agreed there was a problem. Turned out to be a damaged brake piston/cylinder, a burr on the piston would catch on the edge of the cylinder, bind with the brake disc and almost lock the wheel. (Exact details escape me - it was over 30 years ago)
Your Suzuki is a modern car.. it did not have a software issue.. it had a mechanical issue.. so your point is invalid.
@@peterbates4696 My point is that you can’t trust a dealer to find a fault, especially if everybody is assuming they are infallible. Dealers only seem to have fitters these days, who are told what to replace by a computer. Even with a simple mechanical issue, I had to talk to a proper expert to figure out what was wrong. I would have thought the post office scandal would show the dangers of assuming there is nothing wrong with the software. I even have my own example. My wife is a business analyst. She tracked down a “missing” £3,000,000! That was caused by incompatibility between two different accounting systems that couldn’t cope with a single code number that started with a 2 instead of a 1! I’m keeping an open mind about this ipace, but I know very well how a set of circumstances can come together and cause havoc in apparently “perfectly safe” systems. Just check out the Boeing 737 Max crashes to see what trying to cut corners results in.
I hope my brakes don't fail on my ICE car ,the police will have to follow me for 500 miles before my fuel runs out! At least with an EV they only had to wait for about 50 miles :)
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Only 500, filled up last week and mine said 680 miles left as I pulled out of the petrol station. Maybe we need a scenic route pre-planned just in case? :)
@@WhiteDieselShed :)) well I suffer reduced range as it's a petrol but the new model has LPG and petrol combined and has a 1000km range ,so close to 700 miles !
My 10-year-old Renault Zoe gets more than 50 miles of range at top speed, so have to say I doubt that.
Also fuel consumption shoots up like a rocket at higher speeds, you won't be getting any better than 10 MPG in a German car at 250 km/h.
You are talking crap , my car does over 48mpg at 130kph for hours and hours,and it's petrol.... Zoe's are unsaleable pieces of junk that can't even reach the speed limit , the dealers won't even take them in part exchange. One 5 year old one was written off as quoted £7k for a new onboard charging unit - disposable planet killing garbage heaps
I was surprised nobody looked at the onboard telemitry for throttle brake positions. I would have guessed at least the brakepads/handbrake would be toast..
Just because something is modern doesn't mean that it's good.
Usually means the opposite 😂
Good thing the brakes on that car are the ancient hydraulic ones we all use then isn't it.
My old car has a £3.50 throttle cable and the spring on the carburetor was 75p , to eliminate this type of incident I might put an extra spring on, sod the expense lol.
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If it was his intention to prank everyone it has backfired. Don't forget jlr have vested interest in finding nothing wrong with the car just think of the implications of finding a bug in your vehicle and having to ground the fleet that use the same software, the only person that really knows the truth is the driver
@@royblackburn1163 Old cars are great aren't they.
Yes they break down from time to time, but I've never had the throttle jam open at the sane time the brakes have failed, you?
I mean if it happened I'd turn the ignition key and take it out of gear, something you can't do on modern cars.
So JLR are now saying its driver error and the dirty police are happy to comply. Blame the driver as no error was found in the software! I SMELL A RAT !!
No such thing as bug free software, fly by wire and drive by wire are just waiting for the right set of conditions to cause a problem.
Software would affect more vehicles.
Id believe nathan before id believe jlr tbh
Only a single rat? A whole political rats' nest (well feathered at the public's expense) more like. Take heart though - the gravy train is about to suffer a replacement bus service.
I don't know, if the car would have detected that the brake was pressed it would have reacted but as it didn't do that you have the drivers word. Even if he still remembers what he had done before this failure ( if it was a failure), I am not sure that it could be easily reproduced by JLR engineering. Even if the engineers are in good faith and they find a fault and fix it I doubt that JLR management will recognize and assume the blame.
It seems to be similar with Tesla deadly incidents from France and China.
The sad thing is that it could happen regardless of your engine type.
Moral of the story, read youruser manual regarding inducing failsafe mode and safety engine cuts and practice them in safe environments because you don't know when you need them.
PS. If your EV or hybrid is in flames run and keep a big distance because you have no chance to put that fire out.
Intermittent computer faults are notoriously difficult to detect
Anything to bring down the reputation of EVs is never truly covered in the media. What are we supposed to think when they cant tell truths when they happen ??
Can I have your hat? Have to wrap up a baking potato.
The media didn't cover the story because it was so obvious it was fake. Even someone sitting on the fence about EVs like me can see that. It was left to the anti-EV zealots desperate to jump on an Anti-EV story to regurgitate his fabricated story and they all fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The media are literally complicit in multimillions of deaths happening and soon to happen
I take it you drive a milk float@@Wilem35
Apparently Craig Phillips (1st Big Brother winner) also has an ipace, this happened to him just before xmas with his family in the car, it was much lower speed, but brakes failed, as he was approaching red light. Luckily the lights changed and he was able to coast through. Can't remember how he said he eventually stopped, but he managed it. He's also had nothing but problems with the car.
I watched your interview with great interest, at 7pm on June 21st 2003 our almost new BMW 320d ran out of control whilst on the A50 heading for Stoke. I was driving my wife’s car using cruise control and as we approached each of the roundabouts would knock off the CC, slow down, take the roundabout then put the CC back on. Approaching the last roundabout before Stoke , switched off the CC but nothing happened, pushed on the brake pedal (that should have disabled the CC) it went strait to the floor. Heading to roundabout at 70mph, duel carriageway onto duel carriageway, the rear slid against the central reservation kerb with a loud bang and then the car slowed down. We kept the car, BMW wouldn’t admit to anything being wrong with it saying it was driver error, I have to this day never used cruise control again.
Wellll, the spelling is dreadful !
We had roughly the same , the ACC was working great, slowing us at round abouts and at speed signs, did not need to touch a pedal. Then the sat nav "detected" us on a totally different road, centre lane of the motorway it braked us down to 45 mph for a "bend" then it sped up to 70mph and braked again down to 30mph because of the limit on the other road. We were being told to turn RIGHT, on a motorway, 30-40mph limits. Turned off the ACC and no problems since, garage says no problems detected.
.. Or indicators, or mirrors, or the far left lane .. 🤣
Sorry .. Just gone into BMW slating mode. Glad you're ok.
Funny Dud Funny!@@markleeming1786
@@markleeming1786 Yikes! I would not want to let a SAT NAV based system drive my car, it's crazy that this is even allowed.
The car has been arrested for speeding and the driver let off !!!
Was the Car "Charged" tho? 🤣
Stupid but I like it!
@@aidejones only 80%
I thought Arrested just means he can be legally questioned regarding the incident, it doesn't mean he's done anything wrong.
Exactly.
Yep, could be that they’ve read the cars ‘brain’ (aka saved evidence) and want to interview him for his daily speeding offences, keeping up with traffic in-between the many many roadworks.
It also means that contempt of Court based reporting restrictions kick in, as it starts proceedings. Publication of too much additional information beyond the point of arrest could be seen to be interfering with the administration of justice, and might prejudice the potential Defendant's right to a fair trial
@@Vartel165he's not been charged yet.
@@angleseyandy9110 Ahh yeah, that is the key tipping point!
I remember that about ten years ago a petrol Lexus went wrong in the USA. The throttle jammed, couldn't find neutral and the people in the car died. I am very wary about the amount of electronic gizmos in modern vehicles, the expression "too clever by half" may sound old fashioned today but it applies so much more to many aspects of modern life.
>Blacked out Jaguar
>Arrested by Police
Traditions.
I am no fan of blacked out cars. I think they are ugly and disgusting. We have the same problem here in the U.S. But my guess here is that the police are protecting JLR. This incident likely caused their reputation to suffer a lot of damage, as if it weren't bad enough already.
I am betting the software in the car denied all knowledge of anything out of the ordinary.
Well they don't come with a black box recorder do they ???
@@clawmann Not that we're aware of but the tech is there to record anything nowadays so who knows what they're tracking ?
I'm betting the computer in the car logged all the accelerator and brake pedal inputs. Also all button presses (On/Off, Drive, Neutral etc). Perhaps it was recoding that data just fine but the data was inconsistent with the drivers story. And what about the normal hydraulic brakes? Two failures are possible but two that dissapear afterwards is pretty unlikely.
It’s probably because the driver broke the laws of physics in this testimony
Mmmmmm.....wonder how many updates jlr pushed out last night...who would know? It's not Fujitsu software is it?
Particularly delighted with the "Danger" sign outside of your window! Yes, danger!! Never been happier to be poor and drive a car without computers!!!
Ha Ha! Me too. My car was built in 1988 and has no computer to dob me in to The Powers That Be.
Me too! The old ones are the best!
Have to say, I pegged him as a wrongun, possibly flew past old bill at stupid mph then came up with an instant blag having too many points on his licence for a big ticket?
Did he run a speed trap and use this as an excuse? 100 mph plus is a ban.
bet he trades it in for a range rover now.
They're Arrested him for saying Literally,after ever word .😂🤣
Perhaps his underpants might give us a clue.
the "skidmarks" would prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that his brakes were working perfectly.
They're still peeling them off the seat !
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More skids than the starting grid of an F1 race!
He did not fool me, I figured there would be more to it, Accelerator and brakes failing. Not once but twice to the same bloke. Oh and the neutral select did not work. Three failures on one car, twice.
Even crazier than those things ..... the people that believe he's been fitted up by JLR and the government lol
add to that, regen braking failing and speed limiter failing.
@organickevinlondon...... software bugs can do unbelievable things, how could regen work if the car wasnt slowing down ???
@@clawmann its speed was increasing, decreasing, increasing etc,
Unless I’ve missed something, why would you not just turn the ignition off ? To kill the battery / engine 🤷♂️
Just listening to the guy, something just didn't seem right. He didn't sound scared, at any point!!!!
Are we Recruiting Our Police from the Local KNUTHOUSE Theses Days?
Yes if they fulfil the dei requirements!
Hi Geoff; having listened very carefully to your interview (three times!); I sort of expected something like this might happen.
There were some "holes" in the interview, I agree, but given the traumatic nature of the incident, and the fact that the driver was in contact with the police as it happened - for the second time, we were told: it may well be that you were told the truth. I'm sure you recall that, after the first incident, we were told that JLR could not trace a fault. Even so, had it been me, I would be very reluctant to drive the vehicle again. That begs the question; why did he continue to use the car?
If we assume that your interviewee was indeed innocent and that his car did in fact have an undiscovered fault; then it appears that the police may have either acted precipitously, or they know something we don't; possibly as a result of forensic examination of the car.
My final point is; if there was no fault and this man simply wished to avoid prosecution, phoning the police would be part of a pretty elaborate plan, followed by a high speed manoeuvre which would require nerves of steel and skills far beyond those of even the most experienced racing driver! I've raced as a successful amateur for 60 years, and it's not something I would even dream of trying.
Not very helpful, I know, but no doubt it'll all come out in the wash. One thing's for sure; with all the incidents there have been since the introduction of EVs; there are NO circumstances under which I would entertain one.
Excellent summary
It's very strange how his neutral button suddenly worked only when the police car got in front
If he was stopped by police when driving at 90mph, it must mean that just prior to the ""failure"", the car, under his control, was already doing 90mph. Isn't that how electric cars drive? Instant response to the accelerator being pressed? (Apologies; retired legislator)
When I listened to your interview with this guy and then I realised where it was M58 then M6,then he got onto the M62 I was trying to figure out how he went around,the two islands at the end of the M58 doing in excess off 100 mph, as I have been on that section of the motorway a few thousand times, and that’s the part of the story I didn’t believe, unless he’s a expert rally driver or formula 2 or 3 driver 🤷♂️🤷♂️👍
I think he was travelling on the M58 towards Liverpool and Switch Island then onto the M57 via the smooth left lane link. If cops blocked the lights there it's possible to get around there at a good speed. Then he accessed the M62 from the M57 where there is another smooth inside lane link that can be taken at high speed with police assistance to clear the path.
He did say, in that interview, about a couple of roundabouts he was worried about when he was talking to the police. They advised him to carry on and I think the police were nearby at that time also.
@@Hitstirrer if he was on the 57 there would of been plenty of time to stop him, on the 58 or 57 the police are slow but not that slow and at maghull, the police station is just for M-way police and they would of got there in about 3 minutes tops still sounds fishy which ever way he went
@@peterclarke3300 - At the time the police were told that the car was fully powered and at high speed. Normal boxing in wouldn't work as the powerful car would push others aside. It would need a 'Pit' manoeuvre as if it was a fleeing criminal to spin off the road - but could kill the driver. So they asked the remaining range and opted to free run him 20 miles left to stop from lack of battery.
@@Hitstirrer like I said taking the bends before the end of the 58 at 100mph going onto switch island I still think it’s doubtful especially with the cambers on that part and at 100 mph
I blame Morag for phoning the old bill🚓🚔🚓
Geoff and Mac love morag. But you're probably correct.
@@ThePrairieChroniclesIt's a Scottish name derived from the Gaelic language.
@@ThePrairieChronicles nope. Perhaps a character in some TV series. "The old bill" are the police.
If he was braking as hard as he could but couldn’t stop then the brakes would be completely cooked. There’s the first place to look
But if the braking system on an iPace is electronically controlled but hydraulically applied then if the electrics were toast it may not allow you to brake.
I don’t know how the system is set up, but I assume the manufacturer made it so you cannot accelerate and brake at the same time as this is counterproductive and not energy efficient or economical driving.
Not if the brakes failed to apply.
If the pedal isn’t connected directly to the hydraulic system like it’s always been and relies on computers / electronics then that’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.
@@petea7323 More modern cars with self driving software use "Fly-By-Wire" tech, as is standard in passenger planes. This enables the car to brake if it senses an obstacle, and mine does exactly that. The big difference IS, aircraft have multiple redundancy for when things go wrong.
If a child runs out in front of the car, it should brake HARD before you even have time to react. Does it work in practice? I don't know.
It's just a normal hydraulic brake system with an electric booster. If the booster fails you still have unassisted brakes which will stop the car if you put enough force into them.
The government must have put a call in to merseyside police! I have contacts in the force, il be back geoff.
REPLY: They "cant find any fault with the vehicle" which is baffling! That's why hes been arrested & my own guess is he'll be released on bail pending further enquiries. The police recovery company are still in possession of the jag, if I hear anything else il update this.
The 2nd time this happened last week he had his mum in the car didnt he? Why would he put his mums life at risk by flooring it for attention? I think hes telling the truth & jag are trying to cover up there mess!
My thoughts exactly
I would love to know the investigation procedures for this. Presumably JLR shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the vehicle, the police themselves should obviously forensically examine it (do they even have experts capable enough? Would they bring in a third party firm to do it for them?), and then the insurer should carry out their own investigation and examination, and Nathan should be given the opportunity to get someone of his own to investigate it...
It strikes me that the police have limited time and resources and are not invested in the outcome to expend what they consider to be more than necessary resources on it. The underwriter would have *some* interest in proving it was a fault, but they're not going to expend too much on it as it'll be cheaper to just pay out the claim after a point.
JLR will obviously want to check it out and make sure that if there is a fault (or faults) then it's just on that particular vehicle and not something that could happen on all I-Paces, but obviously they don't want to find any faults at all...
The only way to get a truly thorough and impartial investigation done would be for Nathan to fund it himself, which I'm guessing probably isn't going to be feasible. I think I'll still have some doubt about this even if he's convicted, unless there's some incontrovertible evidence shown.
@@longleaf0 exactly!
I think it's either:
1) They have taken his phone to interrogate as standard police work and have found that he was using it while driving before the incident and want to prosecute him.
Or
2) He owes massive finance on the car and wants Jaguar to buy it back!
That's an interesting one
At this point in time I am probably more likely to believe that the Police would rather arrest an innocent "victim" than allow evidence that speaks against the narrative. Safe & Effective.
What are you on about?
Someone has obviously interrogated the vehicles ECU, which may show that they do not match the drivers account. Who knows?
He seemed genuine to me, if not, a good story teller.
One man's story was on the verge of wiping out all future EV sales. So the "powers that be" intervened and told the police to arrest him. Problem solved.
He was charged overnight sorry couldn't resist
even if it was the car, which it wasn't, it wouldn't wipe out ev sales as this could happen to ice vehicles too
I was suspicious when I heard that it was the second time in the same vehicle.
Yeah, that part made no sense whatsoever. Plus he said he let his Mrs drive it home from the dealer. Either he hates her or was bullshiting
Yes, I wouldn't ever get into a car again that really did that to me. Just by simple self preservation.
Actually that wasn't a surprise to me. Very common for faults in electronics to dissapear and be hard to identify. However I'm pretty sure the brakes will have a conventional hydraulic backup so a runaway would require two faults, both of which dissapear. That seems unlikely. I'm also pretty sure the computers on many cars, not just electric, log driver inputs, for example accelerator and brake pedal force and positions, ditto any button presses (on/off/neutral etc).
If a car did that, I would scrap it. He got caught and blamed the car. His interview was contrived in its manner the way he spoke.
No way I would have got back in that car. It's like being vaxx injured and going for a booster
The problem these days is that you can believe NOTHING the police say.
Nathan wouldn’t lie, would he? Good for the old engagement, eh, Geoff?
@@ochayethegnu2915Why do you think that Nathan wouldn’t lie ?
It's the internet so why do you believe anyone?
Maybe you're like most people that seem to only believe what they want to hear?
@@Will46666 Why do you think the police WOULD lie? Stop making such childish comments and grow up. It's something a 17 year old chav would come out with.
@@See_more.... I said that these days you can believe NOTHING that the police say. In the past you could trust that they would tell the truth or be held to account if they didn’t.
Waiting for the headline “jaguar driver found non responsive in carpark, suicide suspected”.
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Damn dyslexia. I read: Jaguar Found Non Responsive in carpark, Lucas Electrics". That wouldn't make page 19 in your local paper.
Being honest, I saw this coming...
@Lookup2Wakeupno, I thought something was "off" in the interview and said so in the comments for the interview. Sad if I was right
Sure you did
@@DaleSteel have you looked at the comment section for the interview? A few people calied it
I didn't know he would get arrested, but I commented something was off about the whole thing on the prior video.
I said the very same and was called a idiot... why would a person do that..
I dont seem as foolish now ....
Considering how the UK arrests the people trying to defend themselves from assailants it makes sense they would arrest the driver of an out-of-control car. Bonkers.
Regardless of the method of propulsion, EV or ICE, i find it hard to believe a vehicle can not be shut down in an emergency. Health and safety (yes, i know 🙄) dictates all things must fail to safe, not danger. I know modern cars dont have keys,mine included, but holding the engine start button in should shut the vehicle down. We really need clarity on this incident as it has created concerns for many people.
Wow 👏, how long before Geoff gets an interview with somebody LIVE as its happening,
Wishing Nathan a speedy resolution
Didn't ring 999, ring Geoff! 😂 Geoff's emergency auto help line 🤣
Well, driving an electric IS dangerous driving. They said it.
I just listened to your interview with this driver and to be absolutely honest I believe every word he says, who could doubt him really, he was clear and concise, never missed a beat, never got lost for words, it was obviously just pooring from his memories. I feel so sorry for him, poor lad, he should be proud of himself, that he was adept enough to survive and not harm himself or anyone else, and he did that twice, well done and shame on them. It should be that garage in trouble for letting such a dangerous thing back on the road.
Who knows, but I do know that if it had really happened the first time as claimed then there is absolutely no way I would get back in that car again for it to happen a second time unless the cause was definitively found and fixed.
Claim his battery went eventually went flat ,charge him 😮
Assault with a charged battery?
I said at the time, whilst not commenting on this individual case, and putting EV or ICE to oneside, nearly all these runaway incidents seem to turn out different after investigation. Anyone who has worked on cars, even modern ones controlled by software, know that you would need multiple disparate systems to fail in a very particular way, all at the same time. For example: why would brake inputs fail at the same time as the accelerator had become stuck? And why does the accelerator become stuck at a manageable speed?
In aviation it is called "The Swiss cheese model" - unfortunately the holes in the safety systems & protocols line up all too often & people die. If an accident can happen it will given the thousands of chances available every day. The only questions are when & how often. The other certainty is that we will never be told the truth...pilot error (or here driver's fault) is so convenient & genuinely hard to rule out.
I watched the interview and said to the wife I smell BS
Facts that I know as a ev driver although not a jaguar. When the 12volt battery goes flat the brakes do not work. The pedal goes straight to the floor and does nothing. The cars are multiplex wired which means that something as trivial as the rear camera not working because of water ingress can cause the speedo and the abs to malfunction. I'm currently driving around in a ev with no speedometer or abs brakes or traction control and a handbrake that will not release sometimes because it says on the dashboard that it will not release because either one of the doors are open or the bonnet or the boot is open. The only way to get the handbrake off is to disconnect the 12 v battery. As he said in the fist interview it was heavy rain so maybe water getting into the electrical system caused the problem.
Interesting info- is there an hydraulic pimp to build up brake pressure??.. Seems a very flaky system. ?? ;)
Interesting comments, thanks for sharing and may I say you are brave to still be driving with your EV. Ta
I won't even have a car with a electric hand brake
Yep difficult to do handbrake turns with electronic handbrake ( so I've been told ) 🤣🤣🤣.
I regret not looking for a car with a good old fashioned handbrake , I cannot imagine owning a lekki car. I mean a BUTTON for neutral ,naa gimme a piece of metal that moves other pieces of metal.
Ditto - I'll never drive an Auto
If your car is newish, is the steering electric?
@@neilwilkinson7488 still possible… had to take mine up the farm to test the brakes after doing a job 😂
The real surprise is the fact he was not arrested at the scene....
the brown paper bags had not been exchanged yet..... they have now... if it goes to trial he will face the same defence as that guy from that "airplane" mob.
The whole scenario seems unlikely. The car should have some failsafe. The brakes on an ipace are hydraulic and are not controlled electronically, except that is to add servo assistance. There is nothing to prevent the car stopping if they are pressed hard enough
That's disgusting if it's true! Or the greatest scam.
Just think of the eye watering PTS claim if he actually was victim of a "runaway" car, there's a motive right there
What makes it a great con? He's not benefited in any way.
he will be prosecuted and a jury will decide based on evidence, not speculation. The greatest ever con is Bitcoin.
@@kevinashurst634 Not if you bought £100 of bitcoin 14 years ago.
@kevinashurst634 bitcoin isn't a con to many millions off ppl. Bitcoin changed their life.
This is like the tories declaring an unsafe country is safe, just because they said!
It astonishes me that given the price of a current car, of all the BS features manufacturers pretend they have, a 20p kill switch is the thing the manufacturer decides to cost save.
Next lawsuit, wrongful arrest, defamation, endangerment and a product recall
There should be big red kill switch on the very center of dashboard like on some heavy industrial machinery - lathe, press etc. :)
To be fair - all hybrids and ev have some kind of cricut braker or removable safety fuse that you have to remove before you work on the car electric system. Unfortunately most of the time they are hidden very well in places that cant be accessed from the driver seat - not to mention while driving :P
If you can find a switch for 20 p that will connect/disconnect a 400+volt 200+ amp DC power supply, you're doing better than me.
@@davidbrayshaw3529Yet another reason not to buy one, if they can't be made safe.
@@alisonwilson9749It seems like a very simple, yet expensive, redundancy.
I think he was spotted speeding then came up with the dodgy brakes gag.
A few years back you had the case of the artic lorry who brakes had failed and the accelerator was stuck, the lorry driver had the police on the phone and had a police escort for miles until he eventually crashed the truck to come to a stop.
There was loads of news reports of how the guy was a hero for dealing with the situation, then it went quiet, and then it was announced he was charged by the police because they couldn’t find anything wrong with the vehicle. 🤔
Intermittent faults are notoriously hard to replicate...
I remember that and always wondered why he just didnt turn the ignition off. His excuse was he would lose power steering , like you steer a lot on a straight motorway
Don't know that story but what I do know is the political elite probably have shares in a certain company added with that speculation remember what those in authority did to quieten descent towards those challenging science and data a few years back [cough / splutter seems enough]. Added in to all the aforementioned the vox popli against ULEZ & EV's and Climate Change all being 'restricted'
*Now* I'm not saying the 31 year old is innocent because I'm not privy to the data, reports etc but I see a Post Office on the Horizon
@@patthewoodboy Can you turn off a push button start vehicle while driving? And what about the brakes?
@@patthewoodboy good luck keeping an artic straights with no power steering....
It's what happened at the Mull of Kintyre re the Chinook crash. The FADEC switched the engine on max forward thrust and whack into the side of a mountain, except it was said to be a pilot error.
If it was all an act then this guy needs an oscar.
I hope he was arrested just for questioning & I hope this arrest wasn't done for some corrupt goverment purposes.
Hmm, I think this is one of those where we sit back and wait for the outcome!
Finally some actual reason in the comments😂
Brake by wire. They couldn't repeat the fault. He's a liar..😮
My husband and I watched the interview earlier today and not once did he come off as lying or not quite telling the truth. He sounded absolutely terrified during the description of both incidents, and he's tried time and time again to get the dealership to do something. If he wasn't telling the truth then he wouldn't have wanted the car to be checked out by the police in such forensic detail. He literally didn't think he was going to make it through the either incident, but especially the second time alive! That's not someone speeding and driving recklessly, and he wouldn't have been the one to call the police if he was driving in that manner deliberately! I think someone's head needs a wobble in the Police!
My mum had trouble with a brand new Metro in the 80s that had an intermittent fault with the brakes. Rover tried, after cursory glances tried to say there was nothing wrong with it, on multiple occasions. The tried the old 'She's just a female driver' etc, until my dad took it next door to the dealer which was the police headquarters and explained the situation to them. They investigated it in their garage and found the brand new car to be a death trap with serious manufacture defects, and took action against the dealer so my dad could get his money back as they refused before then to take the car back. Incidentally that model was actually subject to a recall after that!
Had a faulty brake with a brand new Metro Turbo years ago. Returned it to the dealer and Service Manager found no fault. I insisted Service Manager drove it. Grumpy Service Manager - 'Its driving fine - nothing wrong with it'. - suddenly brakes failed and he went white!
@@michaeldeere7009I can believe that, there s plenty of "technicians" not fit for purpose or just try throwing parts at it
My mom had similar issues with a 91 Mazda 323 and a new faulty master brake cylinder. She shat her pants a few times, we replaced the master cylinder and everything worked perfectly.
Knowing how automakers were bought up in the past decade i'd avoid anything that doesn't from Japan or France.
Toyota had a problem with literally millions of cars brakes. It happens. No company is infallable
@@eivis13 Omg, that's spooky! In the mid 90s my mum then had a Mazda 323 sports shape with pop up headlights with a back to front master cylinder, that she bought off the dealership garage workshop manager that was revved up and all speedy. She loved the car but it had the same issues, then the guy realised he'd fitted it back to front. What was weird was she had brakes if it was an emergency stop, but none for gradual braking. Once it was put on the right way round it was as well. She loved that car, she loved beating anything she could off the red lights just to annoy blokes in bmw's etc even more! 😆😂
Oh wow, this will help EV sales no end won't it?
Not only can the damn things choose to try and kill you and other innocent road users either through incineration or blunt force trauma or both but if one makes an attempt on your life and you report it then you get arrested.
This particular incident could go many ways, some good and some terrible, a good one would be an immediate moratorium on EV sales and a bad one being big brother using it as an example of why they think all new models of EV's ought to have a remote stop facility so some copper somewhere can match your reg and hit a big red button.
It's way past time to just call it quits and admit this damnable EV experiment has been a dismal and downright dangerous failure.