My job is to travel around the country in an EV, testing the EV charging stations. I spent ~60 hrs a week driving various EVs in various conditions, in various terrain and climates and situations, over different ranges. EVs are dangerous, expensive toys. For your own safety, do not relegate your transportation needs exclusively to an EV. Freezing temperatures kill their battery life, which translates to a shrunken "gas tank." Many modern gasoline vehicles are more energy efficient than EVs and are cheaper to refuel per mile, and modern gas cars have very clean emissions. Everything you have hear about EVs from mainstream sources is ADVERTISING. They will not tell you that minor repairs and maintenance can only be done at limited locations and will cost many times more than real cars. Also, any time you plug into a fast-charging station, all of that EV's data (the owner's data) is uploaded and recorded onto the station's owner's network, and the charging cables can even be locked down onto the vehicle, preventing it from leaving.
For someone whose job it is to test EVs and their charging infrastructure you sure have a very poor understanding of the technology behind them. Like, I don't expect my mother-in-law to know what to do if right when you're charging, your 12V system dies and your car gets stuck to a charger. But for you to not know where the manual release is is just worrying.
@@bsmusic2601you can only take a Tesla to the main dealership so if your driving in the highlands of Scotland 🏴 and it breaks down it will have to go onto a car transporter to the nearest main dealership the AA OR RAC cannot touch them as it would invalidate the cars warranty
Touch screens require that you look at the screen to operate a function, Traditional tactile switches can be reached and located and operated by muscle memory alone. Touch screens in cars are dangerous.
@@ItsAllJustBolloxAre… you said rarely , so there must be the occasion when you have to! The real reason manufacturers like touch as opposed to tactile? Cost!!
I'm a retired electrical engineers and many years ago even when I installed fairly simple control systems people still had problems with them and basically just wanted a switch because they quickly forgot how to use them and also got bored. I then coined the phrase "that its no use installing fully automatic systems when we only have semi automatic people" And yes I'm not an EV lover because I understand electrical systems and there drawbacks.
Same, I love the tech but needs to be appropriate. How many times do we go into a shop and they can't scan the barcode, need to have to go and find a replacement with a "working" bar code or have to manually enter it, then the phone payment thing fails to work and i'm thinking "This is the part where I just hand you cash and you give me change."
As an electronics tech fixing things most of my life, I am not convinced these cars will last as long as gas powered ones, simply due to the electronic side. All things software and electronic are shortly lived and will be in the landfill as they are not supported in a few years. How many reading this are still using a phone or pc that is more then a few years old?
So, I have a degree in electronics (‘85) and been on the equipment side of the automotive industry since. I have been saying for two decades, “just because you can, doesn’t mean you should”! Things have gone way beyond ridiculous!! 😐
I was a dealer tech for around 30 years, Manufacturer tech advice now. I've been saying the same, there are systems I get questions about that I never knew existed and for the life of me can't understand why they do...
I say that sentence A LOT. I work in healthcare and touch screens are problematic there as well. Our portable vital machines actually worked better with buttons. The touch screens are laggy. Likely due to the lowest cost slowest processor used in the device. Similar to how to slow of a processor in a camera causes shutter lag/poor performance. BTW, dude have you ever seen the buttons in a TVR Tuscan?!?! Insanely awesome! :)
I wouldn't JUST sell it I'd REPLACE IT WITH A HORSE! their cheaper more reliable and only. Stalls at night when you turn them off by removing their harness or saddle. Their also warmer to cuddle up to in winter. And harder to steal from a parking place.
Car designers spent years coming up with controls that you could recognize and adjust by feel and these touch screens have tossed all of that work into a dumpster and set fire to it.
@@AlanWilliams-su4bs They already do that for things that the pilots must manipulate. The landing gear raise/lower lever has had a wheel shaped knob on the end for decades. The flap position selector has had an airfoil shaped knob for just as long. The controls for throttle and propeller pitch (on turboprop aircraft) are differentiable by feel. Mishaps still happen, though. There was that crash in Nepal when the pilot in command asked for flap deployment and the pilot monitoring managed to feather the propellers, instead, and failed to notice. Replacing gage clusters with glass displays is a separate issue, as pilots actually have to look at the instruments. Outside of injured pilots breaking the bezels, so that they can touch the needles to figure out what is displayed, visual presentation of needed information is the sole criterion for success.
don't tend to get a lot of cyclists, scooters and people walking out in front of you when 000's feet up in the air so not the same really@@AlanWilliams-su4bs
I BET THESE EV'S ARE NOT REPAIRABLE AFTER A WRECK,INSANITY,INSURANCE CO. ARE BEGINNING TO NOT INSURE THEM FOR FIRE DANGER,AND BY ALL MEANS IF PARKED IN GARAGE,WHOLE HOUSE DESTROYED
I have said from day one that there will always be gasoline powered vehicles. This dream of eventually getting rid of all gasoline powered vehicles is absolutely ridiculous, its never going to happen.
Never say never, vehicles are already driving using hydrogen, once this becomes a green product and cheaper, then at least it will be goodbye to EV's and eventually gasoline vehicles too.Trains, buses and ships are running on hydrogen. Porsche in Brazil have developed a green friendly fuel. ruclips.net/video/VUKN3m8wD2Q/видео.html
I am working for a firm not far from you (just before jct 28). we drive trucks that are similar with the screens, and to make it even more dangerous, we drive with camera's instead of mirrors. And these are 44ton trucks (articulated). If it rains you can't see out of them. They have become less safe. In previous truck i could touch every button without looking and know what they where for, but you can't do this on a screen. Roll on more deadly accidents with trucks. The future is not looking bright.
No way... I would never ever allow someone to plug an EV into my house. A single EV draws as much power as 15 homes with a fast charge of about 1 to 2 hours. 24 hours of charging would require more power than I'm going to freely give anyone. Better have $300 on hand or the answer will forever be "NO!" Sorry, but those batteries are just way too expensive to charge!
I fully agree with you Lee, I ride a motorcycle and am in fear of my life every time I go out on it. The number of times I see arseholes texting and Facebooking while driving is unbelievable, they just do not learn.
As much as i’m a EV sceptic the screen issues isn’t just restricted to them. It’s all modern cars - the higher the spec the more onboard screens a toys you get. In some cars where the dash has been replaced by a screen it’s actually safer in some aspects - such as having the sat nav map just in front of you. But agreed- in many cases it’s just too distracting and dangerous.
I have a cheap C3 and its 90% touchscreen and different screens for temp control and music so we are constantly flicking between the screens if we want to cool down or warm up it is not driver friendly
@@c0ldyloxproductions324 The amount of energy used to power the touch screens would be the same if they're like for like, so it should affect both ICE and EV cars the same. The only difference is that typical ICE cars store more energy to begin with, so it'll be a smaller percentage of energy used. Either way, an iPhone could be charged over 5,400 from a Tesla EV battery, so even with larger screens it's still a small percentage of the over energy available, especially compared with that used to move the vehicle, heat it and cool it etc.
@@MrSamoDude the thing is, ice engines recharge the batter and produces enough energy to maintain the battery at the proper level, evs do not do this, not enough energy is recouped by regenerative braking or the solar panels on top
@@c0ldyloxproductions324It doesn’t matter how energy is stored, fuel tanks and batteries are just a way of storing chemical energy, the total amount of energy available is still totally dependant on how much energy has been stored in the vehicle. Converting and moving that energy from one place to another, such as fuel to battery, and converting from chemical to electrical, such as battery to DC electricity, just changed its state. A certain sized fuel tank could store exactly the same amount of usable energy as a certain sized EV battery, in which case both cars would achieve exactly the same results, be that distance, heating, powered screens etc. Obviously assuming all losses were taken into consideration, such as ICE loosing about 60% if it’s stored chemical energy during conversion to electrical energy.
@@MrSamoDude evs also lose the vast majority of their range when put under load, as shown when a guy tested the towing capacity of the ford lightly, when u drive at highway speeds u can not make it to the next town where with an ice engine u can make it there and back and all the extra electrical components like screens AC and the stupid alectrically adjusted vents don’t help that range either, electric motors are not that efficient, as of rn diesel engines are the most efficient engine we have currently
Electric vehicles are a rip off, the batteries are unreliable, expensive to replace and are useless to people who drive long distances. Electricity is every bit as expensive as petrol and will get worse if it manages to get a monopoly on the roads. Electricity is not environmentally friendly because most of it comes from gas and coal due to maintenance costs of the environmentally friendly options being prohibitively expensive and at least a decade away from competitive. The only truly potentially optimal electricity source is nuclear but the fear of nuclear limits it’s growth to a crawl.
EV fires in a parking ramp destroyed the whole complex. EV fires in shipping boats sinks to new depths. House fires caused by EV charging overnight. Im sticking with my gas car. More gas stations within 20 miles. Vs electric charging station, only ONE.
It is the equivalent of a billboard on the side of the highway that says don't text and drive. I love that they want you taking your eyes off the road to read a billboard about not taking your eyes off the road. Got to love it.
Good grief - I'll stick with my old car for as long as I can - I have a key, gear stick and windscreen wipers, and I can work them all without a 'menu'.
They take the most ecologically destructive monstrosity of a vehicle with no infrastructure for refueling from burnt coal and say *it's for the planet*. Oh and by the way, it might catch fire in your garage attached home with you in it. If it wasn't so sinister it would be hilarious.
Right, they've banned touching hand held phones but allowed EV manufacturers to install too much touch screen technologies in those cars! Its madness, governments and manufacturers have not thought it through! Do governments expect EV drivers to have to stop, pull up their brakes in order to adjust their touch screens? Isn't that supposed to be illegal? It simply won't work!
Cool, someone else noticed the hypocrisy. Not just electric tho…my 2019 Touareg demands eyes off the road for far too long to do simple things and I’ve had enough scares to now not go near it while driving
@@stevelane1956 no it's not, who told you that ?Dave down at the Dog and Duck , did he heard that his wife's, cousin's, father in law once looked inside a Tesla?😂😂😂😂
I noticed this stuff too....way back when....I used to do traffic management and constantly saw people driving by with...phone, sat nav, reverse cam and sometimes something else....all suckered to the windscreen....how the heck people can see to drive (especially at night) with all that glare is beyond me.
There was a time when Porsche frowned upon cupholders, because Ferdinand felt anything that distracted the driver from driving fast was unnecessary. Sadly, Porsche has fogotten the enthusiasts that built the brand, and decided it's more important to appeal to the masses.
The one major hurdle at least in the USA where are all these transmission lines, power plants, and charging stations going to come from. Electricity at many stations already cost exceed gas
Not to include, screens cost more to replace once damaged. It's part of keeping customers at the dealer for repair services. You'll only be able to purchase the parts from the dealership or manufacturer.
I don’t even have an EV and I hate all the unnecessary tech in it. Haven’t even owned my 2023 Tucson for 6 months and already want to get rid of it. I would rather have a 10 year old car with 100k miles and a real key!
Add to the mix the fact that in a severe collision with an ICE car, the EV’s weight will really jeopardize occupants in the ICE car. Insurance risks for collisions should be pooled strictly from other EVS since many of them are totaled disproportionately due to battery concerns.
"And that is so if you're taken by surprise and you run out of electricity and you are near somebody's home..." ...because complete strangers are going to just let you plug into their home and give you a place to stay for 24 hours...
Have a couple of persons who have ev’s living in the neighbourhood, they won’t park the vehicles inside their garage , when asked they remarked “ in case of the car catching fire “ lunacy!🇦🇺😩👍
@@jimsouthlondon7061Jerry cans of petrol or diesel do not go into thermal runaway. Even 4 gallons of petrol in a garage has a tiny fraction of the heat that comes from an EV hooligan battery. Garages are far too important to put cars in anyway. You need them for all the stuff that cannot be kept in a modern house (rabbit hutch) such as the garden furniture in the winter, the windsurfing gear, tools, and half full paint cans.
@@jimsouthlondon7061 why would I have jerry cans of petrol or candles or electric welding gear in my garage don't own them, stupid comment on what my next door neighbour thinks
Making something simple and safe into something complicated and unsafe while having the delusion of being smart and more advanced is a dangerous form of stupidity.
Basically you’re sitting in a huge mobile phone and in the UK using your phone wile driving is illegal. Can you imagine spending £120’000 on a car, leaving in the morning to work, thinking you are saving the environment and end up getting pulled over several times in that day by the police for using your screen to clear the wind screen and losing your licence. Good day out. 😂🤣
All modern cars are becoming like this my mate brought a brand new Range Rover costing over £100k the first time I went in it the same thing all controlled from a screen. When he parked it he had to pull out a pedal lock and lock the pedals together when I asked why he said the insurance company said he had too because so many had been stolen!! This is a 100k car that Land Rover have made that they can't even make theft proof, this is totally unacceptable in a new car today...
I agree on the screen vs manual controls madness. The physical button/lever/dial/whatever had one very important function, tactile feedbak. That means you didnt need to LOOK at the thing but just feel and use muscle memory to adjust.
Or because they're more environmentally sustainable than moving around in 2 tonne dino juice vehicles to predominantly nip down the shops and pick your kids up from school or drive 10 miles to work?
Pilots had to relearn their instrument flying and navigation when steam gauges were abandoned in favour of screens. I don’t think Boeing or Arbus witless revert.
Well said Lee, I don't have an EV, but I do have 2 Peugeot 308's. The older one has dials to easily set the temperature and power of the blowers. The newer Peugeot has a central menu system where I have to navigate to the the temperature controls. One thing to consider, what happens if the software fails, you will lose ALL control.
I had a family member who spoke endlessly about getting an EV and made a very big deal about his actual purchase thereof, but the funny thing is, once he bought it, he never mentioned it again. I don't think he had it very long before getting rid of it.
I hope you read your comments Mac, have you ever had a EMF tester in your car to see the levels of radiation that is emitted from the batteries ? a guy in the states did it and the scale was off the wall, apparently we had electric cars/scooters/buses/trucks etc many yrs ago - guess why they stopped using them ? hundreds were getting cancer from the radiation levels.
Interesting I have an EMF tester which is high especially by the router, it went bonkers when 5g mast was placed on a building less than 60 meters from my house ......but of course they are completely safe or are they? The eu released a report which states that micro waves in the EU emit the same Co2 as 7 million ICE vehicles so there must be something funky going on. All independent reports on 2.4gz and 5gzh frequencies are difficult to find and are often "ridiculed" by established scientific pro's (there's a double meaning there) Greetings from Sweden Peter
@robwazny9416 Sure , I will dig it out from my research files and send you a link. Im using my mobil just now because of some computer problems so i will get back to you ASAP Peter
I can admire the engineering expertise that has gone into producing such a vehicle. However in my opinion the main reason of a car is to get its occupants safely and quickly from point a to point b. If it cannot manage both its flawed.
Technology was supposed to make life easier... but instead, it has been used to make manufacturing cheaper, increasing to profit margins, while making easy tasks more complicated 😅😅😅
Like many of a certain age, I need glasses for reading but not for driving. EV cars and all these digital screens are impossible for us. So in the middle of driving, I need to pull over to put my glasses on so that I can alter the screen for whatever purpose - air con, settings, etc., etc.
I grew up in Manitoba, Canada, and it was not uncommon to come outside in the morning to an ice block, which would be your car. You brush off the snow, scrape the windows, and then sit in it for half an hour while it warms up to defrost it. And seeing as it was manual transmission it would whine as the oil would never lubricate enough to allow shifting for 10 miles. A person I watched on YT has a Tesla in Manitoba, and they have, while charging, used battery heat to warm up the interior and clear windows; it was a nice feature. Still, he can not run this feature on the car while driving because it drastically depletes his battery. He shared a website that recommended the best winter clothing to wear so you did not have to use any defrost which depletes his range. My Great-grandfather was born when they used horses for farming, he would hitch up the team in the morning to the wagon and drive them into town. The idea around shifting energy sources is to advance, not retract in prosperity; EVs are all bells and whistles but a step backward.
Lithium is a rare metal and the cost to produce the Electric Batteries is Prohibitive and the in the hotter climates you have cars catching on fire and in the colder Northern Climates holding a charge is much less range -
I hope EV cars don’t go away because I created a business in my pick up truck with a diesel generator in the back to cruise up and down the highway and give charges to stranded EV vehicles… Business is good! Especially when it’s -30c 👍
There are statistics from Sweden that show fires per vehicle are less for EVs when compared to ICE vehicles. It's true lithium battery fires are harder to extinguish. With regard to the grid, you can watch some videos of how it's done in China or Scandinavian countries. There are over 10 million EVs in China already. The EV batteries can also be used as energy storage to stabilize grid-connected renewable energy sources such as PV and wind turbines. With regard to physical / mechanical controls for some of the basic functions in a car, there are many EVs in China that use this approach. The point is there are many options out there and it would be beneficial for the consumer to do some homework before deciding which option is the most suitable: what works for 1 may not work for another.
@@Stoater1 If the videos are not convincing, book a trip to China or Norway to see them for yourself or wait a decade to see if the UK makes that transition.
To be fair, this concept of "everything electronically controlled" predates EVs. I remember renting a BMW 7 series in Germany about 20 years ago, and we couldn't figure out how to turn on the heat or lights without getting the language (Sprache) to English. I told my colleague, "I'll be the pilot, and you be the flight engineer". :)
It isn't just electric cars that have all this electronic stuff, car play and controls etc, like you say if using a phone is illegal in a car so should touch screens etc🙂
you can use your phone in a car as long it is in a cradle, just no hand held devices, if you cant set your car up before you drive off maybe you should not be driving. most distractions are people texting on there phones and trying to drive.
I can jusr imagine an electric car in -40 or colder where I live. I have had nothing but problems with motherboards in our climate. You would have to keep everything warm 24/7.
So the issue is not the EV itself but how the manufacturer has forced us to interface with it. An extra screen for extra functionality is not an issue, but putting every setting that could be a nob is. I don't drive and I saw this coming, physical buttons are superior to digital buttons.
Not just EVs Lee, seems most vehicles that are 'modernising' are doing it. I drive a Mercedes truck with all the bells and whistles, touch screen this, touch screen that. And to do simple stuff like turn lights on and off (they can be set to auto but that isn't always reliable) you have to go 3 screens deep in a menu that is off to your left and down slightly. This is in an HGV where my penalties for scrolling through my phone in a cradle in my direct line of sight can potentially see me over £1000 out of pocket and possibly with a suspended licence. But scrolling through a menu system that requires me to look away from the road to do simple operations is apparently perfectly fine 🤷🤷
One giant iPad with several screens and a battery. What a rip off. That car cost the manufacturer nothing to make and they selling them for exorbitant prices for the rubbish they give you. Soon they will make your car updates a monthly subscription service. What a scam.
This is a problem in most new cars not just EVs. Car companies have worked out that this way is just cheaper to produce than making and installing and warranting all the switches and moving parts.
How about the doors. Does it have a mechanical lever to open the doors in case of an electrical failure, especially when you have battery fires, etc... I will never buy a car that has no mechanical override for this...
Those touch screens for the air conditioning reminds me of the quote, "The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." - Scotty, referencing the high tech USS Excelsior, Star Trek 3 The Search For Spock
Yes, electric cars should be made illegal! Not only poorly designed display, but a real hazard otherwise. When they catch on fire , the batteries give off hazardous gases which can explode. Hybrids are even worse because they have the dangerous batteries, they also have gas tanks which can catch on fire after the batteries catch on fire: a double whammy.
Except that hybrid cars are the most reliable vehicles out there. They don't have fire problems, likely because many of them use nickel metal hydride batteries, not lithium ion.
I believe that the technical expression is "Solutions to problems that never existed". I would agree about your legallity issues. Distraction is the most common cause of accidents, all be it in various forms.
My job is to travel around the country in an EV, testing the EV charging stations. I spent ~60 hrs a week driving various EVs in various conditions, in various terrain and climates and situations, over different ranges.
EVs are dangerous, expensive toys. For your own safety, do not relegate your transportation needs exclusively to an EV. Freezing temperatures kill their battery life, which translates to a shrunken "gas tank."
Many modern gasoline vehicles are more energy efficient than EVs and are cheaper to refuel per mile, and modern gas cars have very clean emissions.
Everything you have hear about EVs from mainstream sources is ADVERTISING.
They will not tell you that minor repairs and maintenance can only be done at limited locations and will cost many times more than real cars.
Also, any time you plug into a fast-charging station, all of that EV's data (the owner's data) is uploaded and recorded onto the station's owner's network, and the charging cables can even be locked down onto the vehicle, preventing it from leaving.
For someone whose job it is to test EVs and their charging infrastructure you sure have a very poor understanding of the technology behind them.
Like, I don't expect my mother-in-law to know what to do if right when you're charging, your 12V system dies and your car gets stuck to a charger. But for you to not know where the manual release is is just worrying.
You are talking complete rubbish! @@Luka_3D
Tell me more about the special maintenance a Tesla needs that's only available in certain locations
@@AlanWilliams-su4bs Excellent argument 😂
@@bsmusic2601you can only take a Tesla to the main dealership so if your driving in the highlands of Scotland 🏴 and it breaks down it will have to go onto a car transporter to the nearest main dealership the AA OR RAC cannot touch them as it would invalidate the cars warranty
Touch screens require that you look at the screen to operate a function, Traditional tactile switches can be reached and located and operated by muscle memory alone. Touch screens in cars are dangerous.
I use voice commands when driving and rarely need to touch the screen.
@@ItsAllJustBolloxNice, when all the family is in your car and starts saying words out loud... LOL
@@ItsAllJustBolloxrarely 😂if I rarely touch my mobile 📱 8m in for 6 points and a fine.
@@ItsAllJustBolloxAre… you said rarely , so there must be the occasion when you have to! The real reason manufacturers like touch as opposed to tactile? Cost!!
@@ItsAllJustBolloxproblem is if you're unfortunate enough to have an accent those voice systems barely understand a word you're saying 😂
I'm a retired electrical engineers and many years ago even when I installed fairly simple control systems people still had problems with them and basically just wanted a switch because they quickly forgot how to use them and also got bored. I then coined the phrase "that its no use installing fully automatic systems when we only have semi automatic people" And yes I'm not an EV lover because I understand electrical systems and there drawbacks.
Too many oprions.People are cows 🤣
Same, I love the tech but needs to be appropriate. How many times do we go into a shop and they can't scan the barcode, need to have to go and find a replacement with a "working" bar code or have to manually enter it, then the phone payment thing fails to work and i'm thinking "This is the part where I just hand you cash and you give me change."
As an electronics tech fixing things most of my life, I am not convinced these cars will last as long as gas powered ones, simply due to the electronic side. All things software and electronic are shortly lived and will be in the landfill as they are not supported in a few years. How many reading this are still using a phone or pc that is more then a few years old?
All new vehicles are basically a pile of rubbish, not worth buying!!
So, I have a degree in electronics (‘85) and been on the equipment side of the automotive industry since. I have been saying for two decades, “just because you can, doesn’t mean you should”! Things have gone way beyond ridiculous!! 😐
You were at university with Mr Bean then? Jokers left and right!
And makes the cars far more expensive
I was a dealer tech for around 30 years, Manufacturer tech advice now. I've been saying the same, there are systems I get questions about that I never knew existed and for the life of me can't understand why they do...
I say that sentence A LOT. I work in healthcare and touch screens are problematic there as well. Our portable vital machines actually worked better with buttons. The touch screens are laggy. Likely due to the lowest cost slowest processor used in the device. Similar to how to slow of a processor in a camera causes shutter lag/poor performance. BTW, dude have you ever seen the buttons in a TVR Tuscan?!?! Insanely awesome! :)
There’s a range of qualities in screens. Apple put top quality screens in their products. Yer pays yer money and gets what yer paid for!
Even if I won an all electric vehicle in a contest &/or lottery, I’d sell it right off the bat!
Good move before everyone is on to the scam 🙂
I wouldn't JUST sell it I'd REPLACE IT WITH A HORSE! their cheaper more reliable and only. Stalls at night when you turn them off by removing their harness or saddle. Their also warmer to cuddle up to in winter. And harder to steal from a parking place.
You are correct, operating the vehicle has now become a full time distraction.
Yes, it should be a joy, not an exercise in computer science for a non geek.
Add that to having to check Fakebook and all those distractions
They're pretty much a bleedin NASA department on wheels. You almost need a pilots licence to operate the sea of controls and menu's.
Car designers spent years coming up with controls that you could recognize and adjust by feel and these touch screens have tossed all of that work into a dumpster and set fire to it.
I love my 1998 Saturn's controls. Slider for cool/heat. It's so awesome!
100%
Are you advocating aircraft designers do the same with Garmin Glass Cockpits?
@@AlanWilliams-su4bs They already do that for things that the pilots must manipulate. The landing gear raise/lower lever has had a wheel shaped knob on the end for decades. The flap position selector has had an airfoil shaped knob for just as long. The controls for throttle and propeller pitch (on turboprop aircraft) are differentiable by feel.
Mishaps still happen, though. There was that crash in Nepal when the pilot in command asked for flap deployment and the pilot monitoring managed to feather the propellers, instead, and failed to notice.
Replacing gage clusters with glass displays is a separate issue, as pilots actually have to look at the instruments. Outside of injured pilots breaking the bezels, so that they can touch the needles to figure out what is displayed, visual presentation of needed information is the sole criterion for success.
don't tend to get a lot of cyclists, scooters and people walking out in front of you when 000's feet up in the air so not the same really@@AlanWilliams-su4bs
EV's do actually have dipsticks. They are located behind the steering wheel.
Round of applause..lol
Lol good one " hey , I hope you're not on about Lee here 🤔 🇬🇧 .
@@jackwatsonepic626 no, he's the nut behind the steering wheel! 😂
It’s a shame cars have moved so far away from being a car, but it’s not just the electric cars that have the infotainment screens it’s the fashion
Far too many gimmicks, people want to get in their car and f*** off to where they are going without all this pretentious bullsh*t!
“A pillow to rest your head when your car is charging” lol 😂I couldn’t stop laughing
These are all just prototypes for self-driving cars. They don't want us going ANYWHERE without permission from Big Brother.
All these touch screens in cars but you cannot touch your phone !!
I BET THESE EV'S ARE NOT REPAIRABLE AFTER A WRECK,INSANITY,INSURANCE CO. ARE BEGINNING TO NOT INSURE THEM FOR FIRE DANGER,AND BY ALL MEANS IF PARKED IN GARAGE,WHOLE HOUSE DESTROYED
The batteries will cost 15 k to replace after 7 years as well. Ugh It's all a mess.
I have said from day one that there will always be gasoline powered vehicles. This dream of eventually getting rid of all gasoline powered vehicles is absolutely ridiculous, its never going to happen.
Still waiting for my flying vehicle that was predicted for the year 2000 😆😆😆
Just watched this and it gives a new perspective on how they could get us out of ICE cars ruclips.net/video/LwEg7BvQXsg/видео.html
Never say never, vehicles are already driving using hydrogen, once this becomes a green product and cheaper, then at least it will be goodbye to EV's and eventually gasoline vehicles too.Trains, buses and ships are running on hydrogen. Porsche in Brazil have developed a green friendly fuel. ruclips.net/video/VUKN3m8wD2Q/видео.html
Watch this space!
I am working for a firm not far from you (just before jct 28). we drive trucks that are similar with the screens, and to make it even more dangerous, we drive with camera's instead of mirrors. And these are 44ton trucks (articulated). If it rains you can't see out of them. They have become less safe. In previous truck i could touch every button without looking and know what they where for, but you can't do this on a screen. Roll on more deadly accidents with trucks. The future is not looking bright.
No way... I would never ever allow someone to plug an EV into my house. A single EV draws as much power as 15 homes with a fast charge of about 1 to 2 hours. 24 hours of charging would require more power than I'm going to freely give anyone. Better have $300 on hand or the answer will forever be "NO!"
Sorry, but those batteries are just way too expensive to charge!
Great video. Well put together sensible points - bring back proper knobs and dials! Thank you Lee, please keep them coming!
I fully agree with you Lee, I ride a motorcycle and am in fear of my life every time I go out on it. The number of times I see arseholes texting and Facebooking while driving is unbelievable, they just do not learn.
You did read that there have been 2 riders killed by Tesla’s ...maybe more?
The same argument for electronic handbrakes and stop-start.
Solutions to non existant problems.
As much as i’m a EV sceptic the screen issues isn’t just restricted to them. It’s all modern cars - the higher the spec the more onboard screens a toys you get.
In some cars where the dash has been replaced by a screen it’s actually safer in some aspects - such as having the sat nav map just in front of you.
But agreed- in many cases it’s just too distracting and dangerous.
I have a cheap C3 and its 90% touchscreen and different screens for temp control and music so we are constantly flicking between the screens if we want to cool down or warm up it is not driver friendly
I agree those large screens are a needless hassle when a normal vent slider does it quicker and safer.
You are half right. Not only will ev's be banned but ALL cars period. Unless WE stand up to the tyrants...
This^^^^
Thats what the WEF want.
This has been my argument with evs for years there is absolutely NO common sense at all gone into these things
I like quiet electric cars for local mobility. But I agree 100% that complex touch screens should be banned.
I suppose the quietness is good for taking a nap too.
The screen madness isn't only in electric cars, most new cars suffer from it.
The difference is evs suffer in range because of it, gas cars don’t really
@@c0ldyloxproductions324 The amount of energy used to power the touch screens would be the same if they're like for like, so it should affect both ICE and EV cars the same. The only difference is that typical ICE cars store more energy to begin with, so it'll be a smaller percentage of energy used. Either way, an iPhone could be charged over 5,400 from a Tesla EV battery, so even with larger screens it's still a small percentage of the over energy available, especially compared with that used to move the vehicle, heat it and cool it etc.
@@MrSamoDude the thing is, ice engines recharge the batter and produces enough energy to maintain the battery at the proper level, evs do not do this, not enough energy is recouped by regenerative braking or the solar panels on top
@@c0ldyloxproductions324It doesn’t matter how energy is stored, fuel tanks and batteries are just a way of storing chemical energy, the total amount of energy available is still totally dependant on how much energy has been stored in the vehicle. Converting and moving that energy from one place to another, such as fuel to battery, and converting from chemical to electrical, such as battery to DC electricity, just changed its state. A certain sized fuel tank could store exactly the same amount of usable energy as a certain sized EV battery, in which case both cars would achieve exactly the same results, be that distance, heating, powered screens etc. Obviously assuming all losses were taken into consideration, such as ICE loosing about 60% if it’s stored chemical energy during conversion to electrical energy.
@@MrSamoDude evs also lose the vast majority of their range when put under load, as shown when a guy tested the towing capacity of the ford lightly, when u drive at highway speeds u can not make it to the next town where with an ice engine u can make it there and back and all the extra electrical components like screens AC and the stupid alectrically adjusted vents don’t help that range either, electric motors are not that efficient, as of rn diesel engines are the most efficient engine we have currently
Electric vehicles are a rip off, the batteries are unreliable, expensive to replace and are useless to people who drive long distances.
Electricity is every bit as expensive as petrol and will get worse if it manages to get a monopoly on the roads.
Electricity is not environmentally friendly because most of it comes from gas and coal due to maintenance costs of the environmentally friendly options being prohibitively expensive and at least a decade away from competitive. The only truly potentially optimal electricity source is nuclear but the fear of nuclear limits it’s growth to a crawl.
Yep I had egolf and just switched to 2023 Passat diesel and I love it 5 min and I’m good for 900 compared to every 200 km 35 min stop 😂
We need SIMPLE cars.
EV fires in a parking ramp destroyed the whole complex. EV fires in shipping boats sinks to new depths. House fires caused by EV charging overnight.
Im sticking with my gas car. More gas stations within 20 miles. Vs electric charging station, only ONE.
It is the equivalent of a billboard on the side of the highway that says don't text and drive. I love that they want you taking your eyes off the road to read a billboard about not taking your eyes off the road. Got to love it.
Good grief - I'll stick with my old car for as long as I can - I have a key, gear stick and windscreen wipers, and I can work them all without a 'menu'.
Imagine being late for work because your car has a software update
Over-engineered nightmare. It's done because they can, not because it's needed.
They take the most ecologically destructive monstrosity of a vehicle with no infrastructure for refueling from burnt coal and say *it's for the planet*. Oh and by the way, it might catch fire in your garage attached home with you in it. If it wasn't so sinister it would be hilarious.
In the UK we have closed all our coal mines. The use of imported coal is very low and set to be phased out.
Right, they've banned touching hand held phones but allowed EV manufacturers to install too much touch screen technologies in those cars! Its madness, governments and manufacturers have not thought it through! Do governments expect EV drivers to have to stop, pull up their brakes in order to adjust their touch screens? Isn't that supposed to be illegal? It simply won't work!
Cool, someone else noticed the hypocrisy. Not just electric tho…my 2019 Touareg demands eyes off the road for far too long to do simple things and I’ve had enough scares to now not go near it while driving
Not an EV only problem, get off your horse!😂
@DwaynePipes well, it is. Everything's controlled by the touch screen in an EV!
@@stevelane1956 no it's not, who told you that ?Dave down at the Dog and Duck , did he heard that his wife's, cousin's, father in law once looked inside a Tesla?😂😂😂😂
I noticed this stuff too....way back when....I used to do traffic management and constantly saw people driving by with...phone, sat nav, reverse cam and sometimes something else....all suckered to the windscreen....how the heck people can see to drive (especially at night) with all that glare is beyond me.
There was a time when Porsche frowned upon cupholders, because Ferdinand felt anything that distracted the driver from driving fast was unnecessary. Sadly, Porsche has fogotten the enthusiasts that built the brand, and decided it's more important to appeal to the masses.
The one major hurdle at least in the USA where are all these transmission lines, power plants, and charging stations going to come from. Electricity at many stations already cost exceed gas
Not to include, screens cost more to replace once damaged. It's part of keeping customers at the dealer for repair services. You'll only be able to purchase the parts from the dealership or manufacturer.
I don’t even have an EV and I hate all the unnecessary tech in it. Haven’t even owned my 2023 Tucson for 6 months and already want to get rid of it. I would rather have a 10 year old car with 100k miles and a real key!
Buy base model then with minimal toys.
I agree, I also think they should be banned from public car parking areas, especially multi story carparks or under ground carparks etc 😊
Why the last two major UK carpark fires were caused by diesel Land Rovers maybe we should ban diesels or Land Rovers instead?
@@ItsAllJustBollox Luton was a diesel hybrid!
Add to the mix the fact that in a severe collision with an ICE car, the EV’s weight will really jeopardize occupants in the ICE car. Insurance risks for collisions should be pooled strictly from other EVS since many of them are totaled disproportionately due to battery concerns.
So there are no very heavy ICE powered 2:5 ton SUVs then? No Range Rovers, Discovery’s or similar?
If they were lighter, you'd call them death traps.
"And that is so if you're taken by surprise and you run out of electricity and you are near somebody's home..." ...because complete strangers are going to just let you plug into their home and give you a place to stay for 24 hours...
Have a couple of persons who have ev’s living in the neighbourhood, they won’t park the vehicles inside their garage , when asked they remarked “ in case of the car catching fire “ lunacy!🇦🇺😩👍
Same as my next door neighbour he said buying he's ev was a mistake.
@@garystone5746 So do you leave Jerry cans of petrol laying about next to candles and Electric arc welding kit ?
@@jimsouthlondon7061Jerry cans of petrol or diesel do not go into thermal runaway. Even 4 gallons of petrol in a garage has a tiny fraction of the heat that comes from an EV hooligan battery. Garages are far too important to put cars in anyway. You need them for all the stuff that cannot be kept in a modern house (rabbit hutch) such as the garden furniture in the winter, the windsurfing gear, tools, and half full paint cans.
@@jimsouthlondon7061 why would I have jerry cans of petrol or candles or electric welding gear in my garage don't own them, stupid comment on what my next door neighbour thinks
As someone that hasn't owned a car made after 2003, that car looks like a pain in the rear.
I know what the problem is. The steering wheel is on the wrong side.
It's outta gas
Making something simple and safe into something complicated and unsafe while having the delusion of being smart and more advanced is a dangerous form of stupidity.
I think they'll be outlawed because they weigh too much and will damage the roads, as well as burn down your neighborhood.
I heard about that! And we haven't even reached a point where the majority on the roads are EVs. Roads will be cracked and destroyed in no time.
Thanks a long debunked claim of the Anti-EV lobby.
It was debunked huh? Who, when and how was it debunked? You Leftists love that word.@@AlanWilliams-su4bs
I dont believe its intended to enhance saftey. Its intended to attract the young folks that are hopelessly addicted to screens
The digital controls issue is a modern car problem regardless of drive train type.
Basically you’re sitting in a huge mobile phone and in the UK using your phone wile driving is illegal.
Can you imagine spending £120’000 on a car, leaving in the morning to work, thinking you are saving the environment and end up getting pulled over several times in that day by the police for using your screen to clear the wind screen and losing your licence. Good day out. 😂🤣
bring back the knobs dials and petrol/diesel engines
All modern cars are becoming like this my mate brought a brand new Range Rover costing over £100k the first time I went in it the same thing all controlled from a screen. When he parked it he had to pull out a pedal lock and lock the pedals together when I asked why he said the insurance company said he had too because so many had been stolen!! This is a 100k car that Land Rover have made that they can't even make theft proof, this is totally unacceptable in a new car today...
BAN ALL EV Cars and Trucks.
Why would you want to bury your head in the sand?
@@AlanWilliams-su4bsGO SHIT IN YOUR HAT.
I agree on the screen vs manual controls madness. The physical button/lever/dial/whatever had one very important function, tactile feedbak. That means you didnt need to LOOK at the thing but just feel and use muscle memory to adjust.
The plan is to eventually ban all personal vehicles. Why do you think they're implementing bicycle lanes, and pushing to use public transport.
Or because they're more environmentally sustainable than moving around in 2 tonne dino juice vehicles to predominantly nip down the shops and pick your kids up from school or drive 10 miles to work?
I don't want a bike, I want an Opel Manta
Only knobs I see in the Tesla are the one's driving.
I find it incredible that you have to buy a charging cable.
I thought every electrical appliance sold in the UK had to come with a fitted plug..
I agree. I like tactile buttons, knobs, levers, and dials.
Pilots had to relearn their instrument flying and navigation when steam gauges were abandoned in favour of screens. I don’t think Boeing or Arbus witless revert.
Well said Lee, I don't have an EV, but I do have 2 Peugeot 308's. The older one has dials to easily set the temperature and power of the blowers. The newer Peugeot has a central menu system where I have to navigate to the the temperature controls. One thing to consider, what happens if the software fails, you will lose ALL control.
Just because manufacturers can do this doesn't mean they should. Being 'clever' can be dangerous.😮😢
Electric cars are a solution that won't work, for a problem that doesn't exist.
I had a family member who spoke endlessly about getting an EV and made a very big deal about his actual purchase thereof, but the funny thing is, once he bought it, he never mentioned it again. I don't think he had it very long before getting rid of it.
I hope you read your comments Mac, have you ever had a EMF tester in your car to see the levels of radiation that is emitted from the batteries ? a guy in the states did it and the scale was off the wall, apparently we had electric cars/scooters/buses/trucks etc many yrs ago - guess why they stopped using them ? hundreds were getting cancer from the radiation levels.
Funnily enough whilst I watching Lee and Geoff's challenge and seeing Lee getting nose bleeds - I had wondered whether there could be a link
What a bullcrap. Batteries don't emit ionizing radiation that causes cancer. Stop spreading this bullshit misinformation, your comment is reported.
Interesting
I have an EMF tester which is high especially by the router, it went bonkers when 5g mast was placed on a building less than 60 meters from my house ......but of course they are completely safe or are they?
The eu released a report which states that micro waves in the EU emit the same Co2 as 7 million ICE vehicles so there must be something funky going on. All independent reports on 2.4gz and 5gzh frequencies are difficult to find and are often "ridiculed" by established scientific pro's (there's a double meaning there)
Greetings from Sweden
Peter
@@peterjevans8718 like to see that report. Never thought of radio transmissions release CO2.⁉️
@robwazny9416
Sure ,
I will dig it out from my research files and send you a link.
Im using my mobil just now because of some computer problems so i will get back to you ASAP
Peter
I’d like to see the “80% charged show” come to Australia and do a Townsville to Melbourne challenge.
I can admire the engineering expertise that has gone into producing such a vehicle. However in my opinion the main reason of a car is to get its occupants safely and quickly from point a to point b. If it cannot manage both its flawed.
Surely all electric cars can do that?
Technology was supposed to make life easier... but instead, it has been used to make manufacturing cheaper, increasing to profit margins, while making easy tasks more complicated 😅😅😅
My petrol car's climate controls are on a screen. Modern car issue, not an EV issue.
...does it come with a tent to live in while the car is getting charged...?
Like many of a certain age, I need glasses for reading but not for driving. EV cars and all these digital screens are impossible for us. So in the middle of driving, I need to pull over to put my glasses on so that I can alter the screen for whatever purpose - air con, settings, etc., etc.
I grew up in Manitoba, Canada, and it was not uncommon to come outside in the morning to an ice block, which would be your car. You brush off the snow, scrape the windows, and then sit in it for half an hour while it warms up to defrost it. And seeing as it was manual transmission it would whine as the oil would never lubricate enough to allow shifting for 10 miles. A person I watched on YT has a Tesla in Manitoba, and they have, while charging, used battery heat to warm up the interior and clear windows; it was a nice feature. Still, he can not run this feature on the car while driving because it drastically depletes his battery. He shared a website that recommended the best winter clothing to wear so you did not have to use any defrost which depletes his range.
My Great-grandfather was born when they used horses for farming, he would hitch up the team in the morning to the wagon and drive them into town. The idea around shifting energy sources is to advance, not retract in prosperity; EVs are all bells and whistles but a step backward.
Lithium is a rare metal and the cost to produce the Electric Batteries is Prohibitive and the in the hotter climates
you have cars catching on fire and in the colder Northern Climates holding a charge is much less range -
I hope EV cars don’t go away because I created a business in my pick up truck with a diesel generator in the back to cruise up and down the highway and give charges to stranded EV vehicles… Business is good! Especially when it’s -30c 👍
😂 Brilliant!
Outlaw the fire hazards. And they use to much electric draining the grid.
There are statistics from Sweden that show fires per vehicle are less for EVs when compared to ICE vehicles. It's true lithium battery fires are harder to extinguish. With regard to the grid, you can watch some videos of how it's done in China or Scandinavian countries. There are over 10 million EVs in China already. The EV batteries can also be used as energy storage to stabilize grid-connected renewable energy sources such as PV and wind turbines. With regard to physical / mechanical controls for some of the basic functions in a car, there are many EVs in China that use this approach. The point is there are many options out there and it would be beneficial for the consumer to do some homework before deciding which option is the most suitable: what works for 1 may not work for another.
@@evergreennj8950
Utter bull.
@@Stoater1 If the videos are not convincing, book a trip to China or Norway to see them for yourself or wait a decade to see if the UK makes that transition.
To be fair, this concept of "everything electronically controlled" predates EVs. I remember renting a BMW 7 series in Germany about 20 years ago, and we couldn't figure out how to turn on the heat or lights without getting the language (Sprache) to English. I told my colleague, "I'll be the pilot, and you be the flight engineer". :)
It isn't just electric cars that have all this electronic stuff, car play and controls etc, like you say if using a phone is illegal in a car so should touch screens etc🙂
I have nice buttons, and the display just shows what button was last pressed, but then I've a 10 year old Volvo. 🙂and a Woof just for you Fred.
@@TheEmbeddedHobbyist Funny thing is so has my 15 year old freelander 2 🙂
you can use your phone in a car as long it is in a cradle, just no hand held devices, if you cant set your car up before you drive off maybe you should not be driving. most distractions are people texting on there phones and trying to drive.
Fossil fuel is solar anyway. Millions of years of solar energy deposited.
Points of failure as well, no repairing or reusable parts.... its a gimmick, sell her asap and get an old car.❤
The governments and those involved will never admit they are a problem but will double down on them,
What was wrong with 3 chunky knobs, air temp, fan speed, air position. And adjustable vents 😂. Everything just gets worse and worse.
I can jusr imagine an electric car in -40 or colder where I live. I have had nothing but problems with motherboards in our climate. You would have to keep everything warm 24/7.
It sounds like its safer to text and drive than to operate that car. 😅
So the issue is not the EV itself but how the manufacturer has forced us to interface with it. An extra screen for extra functionality is not an issue, but putting every setting that could be a nob is. I don't drive and I saw this coming, physical buttons are superior to digital buttons.
Not just EVs Lee, seems most vehicles that are 'modernising' are doing it. I drive a Mercedes truck with all the bells and whistles, touch screen this, touch screen that. And to do simple stuff like turn lights on and off (they can be set to auto but that isn't always reliable) you have to go 3 screens deep in a menu that is off to your left and down slightly. This is in an HGV where my penalties for scrolling through my phone in a cradle in my direct line of sight can potentially see me over £1000 out of pocket and possibly with a suspended licence. But scrolling through a menu system that requires me to look away from the road to do simple operations is apparently perfectly fine 🤷🤷
Less is more. The move to fully electronic, non-tactile adjustments of basic functions is poor engineering, safety, and ergonomic design.
Agree its bad. But doesnt have anything to do with electric cars specifically.
Stunning car lee but all that touchscreen insanitys overkill. 🤪
One giant iPad with several screens and a battery. What a rip off. That car cost the manufacturer nothing to make and they selling them for exorbitant prices for the rubbish they give you. Soon they will make your car updates a monthly subscription service. What a scam.
This is a problem in most new cars not just EVs. Car companies have worked out that this way is just cheaper to produce than making and installing and warranting all the switches and moving parts.
Fire hazard, massive land mined for materials, no safe way to get rid of dead batteries, batteries are very expensive
How about the doors. Does it have a mechanical lever to open the doors in case of an electrical failure, especially when you have battery fires, etc... I will never buy a car that has no mechanical override for this...
Those touch screens for the air conditioning reminds me of the quote, "The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." - Scotty, referencing the high tech USS Excelsior, Star Trek 3 The Search For Spock
Yes, electric cars should be made illegal! Not only poorly designed display, but a real hazard otherwise. When they catch on fire , the batteries give off hazardous gases which can explode. Hybrids are even worse because they have the dangerous batteries, they also have gas tanks which can catch on fire after the batteries catch on fire: a double whammy.
Except that hybrid cars are the most reliable vehicles out there. They don't have fire problems, likely because many of them use nickel metal hydride batteries, not lithium ion.
In China they don’t allow them in most parking lots, because they burst into flames.
Loads of technology, loads more accidents. As if it's not bad enough people using their mobile phones! 😡
So am I the only one that sets the vents and they stay like that for my ownership?
I wish EVs were made illegal in Australia.
You forgot to mention the cars also spontaneously combust lol
Lovely car. Shame it doesn't run on petrol.
I believe that the technical expression is "Solutions to problems that never existed". I would agree about your legallity issues. Distraction is the most common cause of accidents, all be it in various forms.
Once cup holders get installed into a vehicle, it is no longer a sports car.