@@chaselevinson7950saaaame. I missed Legion, came back and quit bfa, came back and quit shadowlands VERY early in the expansion, and I have not played since. I tuned into this blizzcon and I'm ngl, Metzen SOLD me on it.
This is most def. usefull training ground for me (a solo dps whore/ in group content) to give tanking and healing a chance without feeling too much pressure.
Honestly, I think one of the healthiest things for the game about follower dungeons is that they look non-trivially *harder* than normal runs with other players. The fact that the AI dps characters kind of suck and aren't just deleting bosses in 15 seconds means you actually see and have an opportunity to learn various of the enemies' mechanics. They're still very simple and gently tuned versions of same compared to higher dungeon difficulties, but they could feel like an actual stepping stone to harder dungeons in a way that normal (and even heroic outside the first week or two of an expansion) currently don't.
@@NiloAzzurro i dont think so, cause when im running a something up to a +12 waycrest right now(i need the trinket), the witches arent taken out of the candles 75% of the time. even if i write it in party chat. I believe people who want to learn, learn under any circumstances and people who dont, just dont.
As a returning player with A LOT to catch up on, this makes me really happy. Also feels like a great chance to try tanking. I’ve always wanted to learn but didn’t wanna make other people suffer through me learning how to do it right
I think what would REALLY make Amirdrassil work is if they created a new starting zone experience for new Night Elf characters. It would help make the new zone a place of constant use by the playerbase, and would help to re-create the attachment that we felt to Teldrassil
@@Yonteh Same. I understand why the Night Elves would call this their new home, since so many of their lost souls are now inside of that world tree, basically. But I honestly don't like that their new main city is now on the Dragon Isles. I would have loved it, if it was still on Kalimdor :C But honestly, I am just happy that we do get a new Night Elf capital. I REALLY missed having one.
Follower dungeons makes me think of something I've been pondering lately.. It's an expansion-sized thing but.. WoW needs a game-wide story mode. A complete game-wide overhaul to allow you to solo-experience the stories of all expansions, including dungeons & raids. A streamlined way to be guided through all story beats at your leisure. It's *technically* possible to do this now, but it's rough and messy and depends entirely on the player figuring out what stories exist where and how to get to them
@@SunniestAutumn oh for sure, doesnt mean they can work on it over time tho. same as warbands were never going to be a thing they can work on this too. idk if its possible but sure would be nice to have
I said the same on another video, I'd like to see something akin to FF14's story, maybe as an optional choice for chromie time, something that guides you from vanilla all the way to the present prominent story quests and capping off each expansion with solo story raids that let you team up with the important NPCs of the time to take down the big bads of each expansion, like joining Tirion and the other Argent crusade leaders to fight Lich King, because a lot of new players never see that content unless they seek it out and it's a cakewalk cause they're max level and can oneshot most legacy raid bosses.
Please Blizzard allow follower dungeons to be available on all dungeons going forward. It would be brilliant to be able to replay old xpacs and have the ability to complete older dungeons that are part of those leveling zones. The amount of times I've been leveling a new character using Timewalking and I'd get to the end of the zone story and then have to queue for ages in the hope players will stay and complete the dungeon.
you definitely should not be able to push keys over 15 with npcs in follower dungeons though, removes the whole point of m+ (playing with and depending on others)
I definitely see the follower dungeon creating a much more accessible pipeline for new players (and returning players) to jump into the content with confidence. I know for myself I have always had a lot of anxiety when doing dungeons/raids I've never done before. I'm very much a 'learn by doing' kind of person so having the option to practice running new content in a no risk environment means I am going to be much more comfortable queuing with random people.
" I know for myself I have always had a lot of anxiety when doing dungeons/raids I've never done before" that is why bliz introduced LFR and dungeon journals...so that you can learn the mechanics before going into normal/heroic raids and mythic dungeons.. There are also youtube vids explaining step by step mechanics! What MORE do you want???
If you did do warbands in dungeons I'd have Chromie pop in at the start going "I thought you might like help from familiar faces so I found you some friends in the timelines" as your warband members appear from a portal.
@@TheSilverwing999 those people should get used to it. WoW is nowhere near the trailblazer it once was. It is inevitable for the next few expansions to be filled with features that other MMOs already did.
Glad to see they are finally reusing the brilliant AI they had in the island expeditions! And the banter that those toons had was great and just added into the joy and gameplay!
Having healed the entire expansion, it's a false expectation to NEED mana before around M+12 and above (honestly I didn't bother carrying mana potions or water until +14 and Dawn of the Infinite). You kinda have to intentionally over-heal in almost anything lower, even if your party takes 100% avoidable damage (let's assume they avoid 1 shot mechanics, can't heal that anyways).
Another positive for follow dungeons. As an RPer, it makes current content dungeons available to RP in with a smaller group, as now you can clear the instance in character with maybe one or two other people, at your own pace, stopping for emotes and dialogue as well.
This is a big W for RPers. Right now the only ways to do something like this is with either a full group, or to go back and do the dungeon again when you and overpower it. Being able to do it on level with some npcs to make it modestly challenging without being a slog should hopefully be way more immersive
@@KevinchuWylde lol he can’t currently use the light right now, so I imagine he wouldn’t be a healer at all. No, the cinematic didn’t fix the problem. It only started him down on the path to doing so. He has a long way to go.
New collection tab, Follower Dungeon Heroes! Can make your dream team and always have Time Warp CDs etc! That would be heckin awesome! Although I think for the purpose of the story, first time would need to be a locked selection. Replaying can be with your own team.
Could be cool if they did this retroactively too. So characters relevant to the questing zone would appear. It's completely unneccessary, and wouldn't change anything other than the look and names of your party members, but would be neat. Like if you're doing Razorfen Downs and Mankrik shows up
@@Mode-_-Geek ...not true, that's why you do NORMAL runs, LFR, guild runs, watch youtube vids, look at dungeon journals... If you want to tank an m5 and not know the fights...yeah no, nobody's going to help you... With m0's you will get some leanway...but don't expect ppl to teach you when you have SOOO many resources at your fingertips. When ppl run m2+ they expect you to know fights. I've kicked a dps who queued for an m8 that didn't know fights...didn't even bother doing it on normal...like what? Hell, there are even addons like DBM and Weak Auras that tell you WHEN to taunt, WHAT to do, WHEN to do it, WHEN/WHAT is the next big attack! I mean...just how much hand holding do you need????
@@midnull6009 I understand what you are saying. But if you simply don't know the route of a dungeon you get kicked for being to slow or needing some help in direction even. I get it you can look up guides. I am just talking about learning in the most basic way when you don't have time to watch a ton of youtube videos and simply want to play. I stick to dps because it is easy and I can just get in there with my mods and not really have to question much. It is easier to do that on FFXIV because people will litterally throw advice out at you and be like np if you mess up. But the few times I tried to do the same with tank on WoW, people kicked before saying how I even screwed up. It put a bad taste in my mouth and makes simply trying feel like a waste of time, especially if I get halfway through a dungeon and then get kicked. I am a chicken who likes no pressure, so I just look forward to a solo way of learning tank is all. That is how I learn best, is by doing. It is just a lot of stress is all I am saying and for me I would rather just avoid it at this point, stick to dps, and have fun.
@@Mode-_-Geek I dunno man...there will always be assholes but not everybody is that way. Especially in normals and heroics. In mythics it's a different story...but even in a low key whey probability wouldn't kick you cuz it's not worth the effort of finding new ppl especially tanks or heals...and you can still make it with 1 bad dps so...
Having your warband members in the AI dungeon run sounds fantastic. They could make it work if they just had the characters as a "transmog" type appearance with general class skills of their type, right? So a party member that could be an Enh. Shaman would be a screenshot of my alt (also Enh shaman) but with scaled iLvL etc. They can't receive any gear or xp. That's game breaking imo. Also ALSO: Running a storyline dungeon with major WoW characters as party members. Be part of the main story. That would be amazing.
The Problem is, how do you decides what Members of your Warband show up. I have currently 56 Chars and 26 on Max. Level. Yeah, there's the new Campfire-Feature were you can put in your 4 favorite Characters to be able to login faster, but if it's those 4 to show up, does that mean I need to play someone not on the campfire, and what if there are only DPS at the Campfire. I don't think you can use your Alts as NPCs.
@@MortimerFolchert That's a good point, Maybe you'll get to designate an alt as a "follower" type thing like they've done with missions in the past? We'd need to see warbands fleshed out a little more to speculate.
I never realised till now, that Blizzard misspelled Draenei On the road map, Im hoping that this is a hint to maybe finally getting the heritage sets for Trolls. Also hoping that just like how they handed the "Re take the undercity" questline they make the Glineas one able to be doen on both horde and alliance Also Hoping that the Follower Dungeons is Testing ground for Warbands, Like in The war Within we will be able to do Follower dungeons with our alts hoping it expands to heroics too, but doesnt go beyond that
I got money for the super sneaky hidden info being a Ruby Sanctum style raid (and rot based dungeon as well) to tie between 10.2.5 and the prepatch story stuff, allowing for Magni to come back into the story and then the prepatch is us going to find Anduin leading in to the cinematic with Thrall and Anduin in Silithus
they should also make Follower Raids, so you can do those 1 expansion late Raids without having to form groups just because you cannot get past 1 boss soloing
Yep this, as someone whos only does PVP but still enjoys the story, it sucks how at the end of the campaign i cant finish up the story line or have to go through the hell of LFR (and have to wait 3 or 4 weeks after patch release). Even if it gives no loot and you can just see the raid and finish off the story would be brilliant.
I still hope that Amirdrassil will not be just another world tree, but an old world revamp tree. And it's influence will gradually spread to other continents. After all, this tree revamped Draconic Aspects
Something that I also think is brilliant about WHO the followers in the follower dungeon are is that a fresh brand new player went through the new player experience, so they are already familiar with Captain Garrick and Shuja etc. I bet it would be nice for them to feel as though their new comrades they adventured with are right there for the journey with them as they explore new dungeons.
Ive honestly been wanting and waiting for follower dungeon since Exiles reach came out 😂 and i totally agree about using follower dungeon as a way to experience the story, especially of the older stuff. I skipped WoD, and everytime i run that dungeon with guldan i always have to skip the cinematic… ive still never seen it 😅
Now do the same AI for raids and replace LFR with this system. LFR is already doing raid with NPC so there would be no change. Plus no que times so I think win-win.
The one random time where i am online a minute after a video releases. It's weird to see the comment section empty and the like numbers before they blow up.
Don't worry too much about just now learning about those flight paths in that dragon riding dungeon, Tali. I learned the exact same time you did.... by watching you! 😛
I will probably never play follower dungeons myself. However, the technology behind this is such a cool addition that we might see much more interesting content in the future! Possibly in form of scenarios or maybe guild halls with NPC raids? 👀
I think the Dracthyr flying has a cool down to keep it in line with the similar Worgen ability wild running. Druids not being the only to instantly travel takes away their specialness. Also... Demon Hunters have wings (sometimes) and Illidan could fly, so I think it's a huge injustice that DHs haven't gotten flying like Dracthyr.
I think we're missing something behind the idea of the reduced dragonriding speed. The game is only as big as the time it takes to traverse it. If everything was larger, the relative speed would be smaller. Players keep asking for a larger world but also faster ways to traverse it, which is very contradictory when you think about it, because these things are basically opposites when it comes to a virtual environment. In other words, there are two ways you can make the world feel larger (which is what players want): Making bigger zones or increase travel times. And they can't exactly enlarge the old world. I think the reduced speed is totally fine, I wouldn't even mind if it was smaller than that.
A bigger world just LOOKS bigger. What are you on about? Just because I can also travel the hypothetical bigger zone on my hypothetical faster mount in a shorter amount of time, doesn't mean the Zone will feel smaller. When I dismount and run around to do things I'm still as slow as ever, and I'll look tiny compared to everything around me. It will just feel more real. Instead of having every square inch taken up by quest objectives or mobs, have it feel like an actual landscape, where there are areas in between objectives where there's nothing but landscape to explore and get lost in.
I was just testing it out on PTR - in smaller areas, like cities, it can feel TOO fast. You really get a sense for just how much smaller old world maps are comparatively
The speed reduction could also partly be for technical reasons as well. In the PTR I have experienced moments when ability inputs and vigor regen became unresponsive as if I had disconnected only I hadn't. I think the server fell behind on my character's status updates and was having to spend a number of server ticks to catch back up. This is something I haven't experienced on the Dragon Isles content.
The thing about the tree being in the Dragon Isles is that it’s just an expansion continent, which hasn’t historically been relevant afterward, and being the new player zone does nothing for it. Boralus is still empty. Also, there is already Valdrakken, so that’s likely where anybody would go. So it is kind of like “here’s a new city out of the way that nobody will bother going to” to night elf players. Player housing or features like that would be necessary to make it relevant.
I absolutely think this is a great idea. I think followers should come with the player for everything! Quests in the world, dungeons up to heroic (Not m+) and lfr. The player being able to learn the fights through expierence rather than going with other players will absolutely encourage those who do NOT do any multiplayer content to do some.
@@santiagopecki think above m0 and bellow m+2 is adequate. Newer players need to experience the timer and some afixes in order to acclimate to higher difficulties.
They have been doing that all year. Unfortunately, while great for the game (and the players still engaged)- those type of changes do not really bring players back. Not many have returned despite that fact that Blizz has made and done more changes this year than ever before. It's obvious that Blizz is trying to bring back some of the players they lost, announcing a set of small but important things has yet to bring them back, so they are trying a different approach. @@ratatoskrnuts6354
Go explore Gilneas now - it's bigger than you think. The insides of some of those buildings are beautiful & there is a 'hidden' underground (escape) tunnel there as well.
I feel like the reactions to the whole Fallower dungeon thing is hinting more towards Fallower raids so you can actually experience an entire expansion.
To expand on your Follower-dungeon-using-warband-characters-train-of-thought... I think a really cool idea would simply be to use (in addition to class/race combo) their name and transmog. That way, it's less complicated but still give a little personalization to the NPCs. Worth all the time it (probably) will take to develop? Probably not, but still very cool.
As a long time warcraft player, I am super excited that the dev team is really trying to tie up the multiple lose ends of the storylines. They are obviously working on making the expansions meld together cohesively. Also, the thoughtful addition of more solo player content is totally awesome! I am looking forward to all future developments in both retail and classic.
Player housing was already part of the game for a few expansions (the Till Market in Pandaria, Garrison in WoD, Class Halls in Legion and the Covenant houses in SL), so why would a 'real' player housing be silly? Idk if i would use it myself (since i already abandoned the 4 'houses'). I hope we see a house with the 4 combined features, since they all had their unique purpose
I wish the Followers we had in Legion Order Halls can fill the dungeon roles using this kind of feature just to make them relevant, the followers from BFA Mission Tables or the Covernant Soulbinds in Shadowlands would sound cool.
I get people want the new tree in Kalimdor, but I also think, that it’s fitting that it’s near the emerald dream, which by the way has portals to Ashenvale and Feralas, where the heaviest night elf population would be. Easy access to rebuild everywhere.
I definitely feel like the Follower dungeons need to be implemented through all of the content as going through the Legion Storyline again to get the items required for each zone being able to do those dungeons solo would allow you to complete some of the story and not feel like your skipping some steps along the way.
Honistly i like both dragonriding and normal flying, i wouldnt wanna lose the option to use my TLPD like the old gods intended... Actually happy i can use my mounts now in DF 10.2 for questing and stuff its way more chill to use
I really wish blizzard could leave all this soft modern writing behind in the next expansion. I hope in the next big cinematic we see is Anduin on the battlefield with a manly looking face and bodies all around him saying cool stuff. I want that epic feeling again and not some personal therapy bs
At least they appropriately teased follower dungeons months ago by leaving it unencrypted for data mining. Was surprised it didn't have more hype speculation.
I think they could do warbands in follower dungeons as, like you said, a cosmetic choice. They have the mechanics for a few classes worked into the AI already and will probably add more during the Saga; Blizz could make it so that if one of your characters has a matching spec you can swap them in place of the npc, just changing their appearance and name. I think the long, long term version of follower dungeons will be follower raids. A tier below or close to raid finder where you go through the raid with 9 npc mooks. Blizz put story endings in the raids so it would be good for *everyone* to be able to see them in game.
I really love the idea of solo dungeons. I never do dungeons (or raids) during an expansion--it's something I always go back to do an expansion later when I can do it solo. I don't like people being yippy with each other and yelling because someone messed one thing up, so I try to avoid group content anymore. So being able to do it during the expansion will be really nice. I'll admit, I haven't played since Shadowlands, but all of this hype with the War Within has got me thinking about coming back for the end of Dragonflight. That was the first time since World of Warcraft that I've never pre-paid for an expansion. It was hard to walk away after so many years, and now there seems like so many exciting things coming.
The post raid quests are so good! Seeing and talking to everyone at the party is just such a nice resolution. (and such a good way to get the nelf heritage armour recolour imo)
Wow seems to be taking inspiration from ff14’s narrative experience with more organized story questlines and now npc-led dungeons and I hope they’ll follow through and one day overall the whole of the game to allow to re-do the whole of the game and its expansions without feeling lost, alone or desynchronized with the rest of the game
if the AI are replaced with ALTs they should not use their actual gear or able to loot. Just for Cosmetics. BUT the loot could be Warband loot that you could stick in the bank for them anyway
Follower dungeons is going to be the thing that finally gets me into pve. I love pvp and while I enjoy pve, I can't stand learning something new while dealing with assholes. And there seem to be a lot of them. Now I'll be able to get things down without feeling like and being called trash. Hats off to Blizz on this win.
I think warband ai controlled dungeon groups would just be in name and transmog. No loot, no anything for any character besides the one youre actively playing
Had another thought, what if the new mystery feature that you’re thinking might be a thing, is actually an entirely new starting zone for the night elf race. Oh heck, that might explain why we keep seeing all these new old world assets is they could be redoing all the starting zones. And the night elf one might just be the first one to roll out. 😅 Pipe dream you think ?
Played wow since launch and the algorithm just tossed you my way. What a great video and your energy is refreshing as hell! SUBSCRIBED! :) I look forward to checking out the podcasts. Now if I can just get my wife into wow. Best laid plans and all that. >:)
I was hoping warbands were follower "dungeons" from the announcement. But more like delves. You're right that it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense (outside of the awesome flavor it would provide) to have your warband alts be part of normal dungeons but it could be awesome as part of this new pillar of content that delves are supposed to be!
14:10 Iiiiiiiiintersting thought there Tali. Follower Raids during chromie time. You said bosses, but why not the whole raid? It could do the same thing as dungeons might(we'll have to see how that goes first of course), as far as getting players comfortable with it, possibly encouraging them to try at least LFR or normal raids in the current xpac. It would at least make the Herald of the Titans title easier to get. Lol.
I believe evoker has a cooldown on "take flight" because it's also starts you with an upward flap, while a normal dragon "mount up" does not. The 10 second delay guarantees you have at least one vigor.
wish it came with regular flight mode with it. Like I don't even care if it isn't regular flying, I'd be fine if it was Zen Flight speed like with Monks.
What if we brought back the Warfront tech but combined it with the Follower Dungeon AI. So the gnolls attempt to take over the tree and we do a 40 man pve battle against them combining Horde, Alliance + all our allies to fight against the rot? Like, not in the auto-win type gameplay, but in at least normal raid difficulty but as a huge scenario. I dunno, I always enjoyed the warfront as a concept but wished it was more difficult or had pvp.
Now what about instead of random chars from you warband - it drew from random characters from people on your friendlist. - That would sort the issue with specs and such - and would still add some fun novelty.
As primarily a night elf player, I was really hoping with the silly night elf heritage quest they were going to put it Felwood. Very disappointed in the placement of the world tree.
I feel like the cooldown for soar may have to do with animations/rigs. Your character basically turns into a mount while your using soar and when you land it turns back to a player's rig, so it might break if you keep going in and out of soar too quickly.
16:06 I didn't play the FFXIV version of this much but I did like the banter between the twins in The Grand Cosmos when I tried and failed to do it there, with Alphinaud jokingly (least I hope it was a joke) suggesting they use Leannan Sith's leaves for tea and Alisaie was all "Why are you like this?"
So, I don't get it. What is the big deal and excitement around player housing? When would you use it? I don't sit in my real house and log into WoW just to sit around in a fake, online game house. I also don't see myself returning to my player house when I'm done questing for the day because more likely than not, my house will not be conveniently located in an area close to where I am currently playing. So yeah, what's the big deal? Follower dungeons though? Hell yeah!
follower dungeons seem so great, i play with my young nephew sometimes and i have to arrange groups so that i dont get any toxic people in there with me, but now we can just do the dungeon with polite npcs :)
The Night Elf capital should be on mount Hyjal. Period. Nothing else makes any goddamn lore sense. THEY HAVE LIVED THERE FOR TEN THOUSAND YEARS. They lived in Teldrassil for less than thirty years. Plus, Nordrassil is still there, healing. Why did the Night Elves NEED a new world tree again, has anyone adequately explained this - lorewise, I mean - I get that it's to appease players - but what did it accomplish in-universe for the Night Elves?
Can we just talk about how much easier it will be to get to the Alter of Decay for LWers who want to craft a toxified item for DPS roles? I've had to sit in a hour+ queue with Brakenhide normal and heroic selected just to try and get a crafting order made. Now I can get a instant queue pop and push through!
Hey could you link your podcasting achievement before I listen to your podcast x (My Thursdays suck so this is gonna perk them right up thanks friends)
Given Follower Dungeons will almost undoubtedly be way slower than running with a group of normal players, they won't replace normal dungeons no. FFXIV added the same thing called Trust Dungeons ages ago, and people still run dungeons as a normal group pretty much as the default because player DPS will generally be a decent chunk higher than Trust Dungeon follower DPS.
19:00 Well, I'm sure they're aware of the bingo card existing so it wouldn't surprise me of those smug knowing replies weren't meant specifically for you lol.
I would 1000% only do follower dungeons if I could progress from Normal to Heroic and even Mythic versions. The ability to run dungeons with 1 or 2 close friends/family, or even do them solo, and not have to suffer the general toxicity of group finders would be amazing!! Heck, throw follower raids in the mix too and I'd be extremely happy! :D
I would be amazed if they made follower raids. because the story always leads up to a raid. And if they do it has to be using the main characters like for now Ysera as a healer, Tyranda as a dps. And why not have Khadgar be the raidleader, shouting out what DBM normally tells you. It doesn't even have to drop loot, or like normal story quest lvl loot.
I am not a fan of Amirdrassil being the new Nelf capital, just yet. There are several reasons, but primarily it has to do with the fact the Dragon Isles are not part of the base world map or even available in the new player experience, but Nelfs will be. Yes, I realize Nelfs can start in Amirdrassil and portal their way to some other place for questing, but that's a huge disconnect in my mind and I'm unable to see the sense of it when their historical lands and cultural ties will be on another continent. It feels like an abandonment of Kalimdor, which I'm not ready to accept. I'm super curious how this will all work out. It's like...Pandaren not being able to level in Pandaria. I hate it.
Like many, I left WoW in 9.1. I have not regretted it, but I've been lightly keeping up things to see how the game changes. The news from Dragonflight has all been positive, but nothing to actually entice me back. Honestly, Follower Dungeons seems like a feature that might actually make me give me reason to check the game out again. It would let my casual friends try to learn healing and tanking away from the pressures of pugs, which would increase the variety of ways that we can play together.
7:26 Yep. Overwatch archives. That sounds just about right. The other part about dungeon and story is true until they hide the end of the quest chain in a Mythic dungeon like they keep doing since Legion. Court of Stars, Siege of Boralus, Mechagon, Tezavesh, Dawn of the Infinities. Will they change and stop doing Mythic only dungeons? I highly doubt it.
I feel like they didn't announce follower dungeons at Blizzcon because they weren't sure how it would be received. Better to release it as a 'side' feature and have people love it than a 'main' feature and have people meltdown over it.
So what's going to happen with Gilneas then? Is this Alliance capital going to be a neutral zone where Hordies are welcome to just wander around at will? Seems silly. Or is it going to turn into an Alliance capital city and as soon as a Horde player turns in their final quest all the city guards jump on them and they get kicked out forever? That seems silly too.
I don't see the thrill of player housing. Everyone (ok, everyone that don't have a life and has played wow since WoD) has a garrison, and most everyone hate it. If anyone want a player house, the garrison is still there to hang out in, with your very own bank and auction house. Follower dungeons are a great way to explore and finish quests in dungeons instead of speedrunning them and miss out on most of the content.
I don't want my alts to be my AI partners. They're for me, not the robots. No, I want followers from the various mission tables we've had in previous expansions to be my AI partners! We spent so much time sending them off on adventures while we did admin and shit. It's time for us to adventure together!
3:38 I guess they are thinking something like: "... because you can't give them no cast mount time if you are planning to let other classes be dracthyrs. We don't want people creating a dracthyr warrior to have a little advantage during world pvp. It's ok for druids to have that, it's their special thing and we think that should be preserved as their special thing. Just like rogues can skip "key quests" if they are smart." Or something like that. I couldn't care less tbh
Before they even announced Ai dungeons, I said the one thing that would set warbands over the top for me would be to allow your warbands to run ai dungeons and the option to call in 1 of your warband members to open world while you quest or farm. Let those players who have dedicated hours upon hours into their alts to be showcased on one screen in all their glory. Nothing would be cooler than to see a handful of my characters sharing the same screen for the first time.
Am super excited for followers dungeons because i try to solo dungeons and raids now it's takes forever to do so haveing npc is great saves me hours of time lol
As a mostly solo player who really just cares about the story line, follower dungeons sound AMAZING!!!
same super excited
really hope i can do mythic+ with followers for practice
Honestly, this may be enough to get me back playing WoW
@@chaselevinson7950saaaame. I missed Legion, came back and quit bfa, came back and quit shadowlands VERY early in the expansion, and I have not played since.
I tuned into this blizzcon and I'm ngl, Metzen SOLD me on it.
This is most def. usefull training ground for me (a solo dps whore/ in group content) to give tanking and healing a chance without feeling too much pressure.
The Gnomes still not having Gnomeregan back: " :( "
Kind of feel like mechagnomes and gnomes now live in mechagon
Honestly, I think one of the healthiest things for the game about follower dungeons is that they look non-trivially *harder* than normal runs with other players. The fact that the AI dps characters kind of suck and aren't just deleting bosses in 15 seconds means you actually see and have an opportunity to learn various of the enemies' mechanics. They're still very simple and gently tuned versions of same compared to higher dungeon difficulties, but they could feel like an actual stepping stone to harder dungeons in a way that normal (and even heroic outside the first week or two of an expansion) currently don't.
You know what? You are right! 😀
@@NiloAzzurro i dont think so, cause when im running a something up to a +12 waycrest right now(i need the trinket), the witches arent taken out of the candles 75% of the time. even if i write it in party chat. I believe people who want to learn, learn under any circumstances and people who dont, just dont.
@radenkovic2856 go play FFXIV and get proven wrong.
As a returning player with A LOT to catch up on, this makes me really happy. Also feels like a great chance to try tanking. I’ve always wanted to learn but didn’t wanna make other people suffer through me learning how to do it right
Works for Ff14. Get to learn your class on your time. They don't burn through the bosses and you usually have to do the mechanics right or you wipe.
I think what would REALLY make Amirdrassil work is if they created a new starting zone experience for new Night Elf characters. It would help make the new zone a place of constant use by the playerbase, and would help to re-create the attachment that we felt to Teldrassil
I'm just sad it's not on Kalimdor :(
@@Yonteh Same. I understand why the Night Elves would call this their new home, since so many of their lost souls are now inside of that world tree, basically. But I honestly don't like that their new main city is now on the Dragon Isles. I would have loved it, if it was still on Kalimdor :C But honestly, I am just happy that we do get a new Night Elf capital. I REALLY missed having one.
Follower dungeons makes me think of something I've been pondering lately.. It's an expansion-sized thing but.. WoW needs a game-wide story mode. A complete game-wide overhaul to allow you to solo-experience the stories of all expansions, including dungeons & raids. A streamlined way to be guided through all story beats at your leisure. It's *technically* possible to do this now, but it's rough and messy and depends entirely on the player figuring out what stories exist where and how to get to them
wow needs a new story+ mode, and guide players better through the old stories while leveling
I think you want WoW to deliver something it was never designed to deliver.
@@SunniestAutumn oh for sure, doesnt mean they can work on it over time tho. same as warbands were never going to be a thing they can work on this too. idk if its possible but sure would be nice to have
A story based levelling mode, with bite sized dungeons and raids for levelling makes a lot of sense for newbies.
I said the same on another video, I'd like to see something akin to FF14's story, maybe as an optional choice for chromie time, something that guides you from vanilla all the way to the present prominent story quests and capping off each expansion with solo story raids that let you team up with the important NPCs of the time to take down the big bads of each expansion, like joining Tirion and the other Argent crusade leaders to fight Lich King, because a lot of new players never see that content unless they seek it out and it's a cakewalk cause they're max level and can oneshot most legacy raid bosses.
Please Blizzard allow follower dungeons to be available on all dungeons going forward. It would be brilliant to be able to replay old xpacs and have the ability to complete older dungeons that are part of those leveling zones. The amount of times I've been leveling a new character using Timewalking and I'd get to the end of the zone story and then have to queue for ages in the hope players will stay and complete the dungeon.
you definitely should not be able to push keys over 15 with npcs in follower dungeons though, removes the whole point of m+ (playing with and depending on others)
@@liamdavies2823there’s no way it’s going to be anything but normal dungeons
@@liamdavies2823😂 how dumb are you to think it was gonna be m+?
Be careful asking for this, FFXIV started to cut interesting mechanics from its dungeons in order to make npc dungeon parties work.
The only things that could outshine the follower dungeon are Tuskarr playable race and enabling other classes for Dracthyr.
I don’t want Dracthyr as other classes. I want the other drakonids as playable. Giant buff dragon warrior tank? Yes please.
Hope we get Tuskarr, It's more likely than player house in a minor patch
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I definitely see the follower dungeon creating a much more accessible pipeline for new players (and returning players) to jump into the content with confidence. I know for myself I have always had a lot of anxiety when doing dungeons/raids I've never done before. I'm very much a 'learn by doing' kind of person so having the option to practice running new content in a no risk environment means I am going to be much more comfortable queuing with random people.
" I know for myself I have always had a lot of anxiety when doing dungeons/raids I've never done before" that is why bliz introduced LFR and dungeon journals...so that you can learn the mechanics before going into normal/heroic raids and mythic dungeons..
There are also youtube vids explaining step by step mechanics!
What MORE do you want???
Demon Hunters: "Are these wings a joke to you?"
Forgotten about just like nelf paladins
Hurts 🥲
Yes yes they are
I wish monks could do dynamic flying too, but like a Dragon ball character.
@@Jucimon well they have the peace fart cloud to fly
If you did do warbands in dungeons I'd have Chromie pop in at the start going "I thought you might like help from familiar faces so I found you some friends in the timelines" as your warband members appear from a portal.
That also solves the XP and loot issue. They are from another timeline, so only your active character gets anything.
This idea makes me want it more.
Love this solution!
Love this but I can already see people crying about them copying ff14 "again"
@@TheSilverwing999 those people should get used to it. WoW is nowhere near the trailblazer it once was. It is inevitable for the next few expansions to be filled with features that other MMOs already did.
@@TheSilverwing999ppl from ff14 crying is irrelevant. Only the wow playerbase matters for WoW devs, as it should be.
Glad to see they are finally reusing the brilliant AI they had in the island expeditions! And the banter that those toons had was great and just added into the joy and gameplay!
oop we will have to be careful as healers, that NPC tank will give us false expectations. Like a tank willing to wait for us to get mana LOL
Having healed the entire expansion, it's a false expectation to NEED mana before around M+12 and above (honestly I didn't bother carrying mana potions or water until +14 and Dawn of the Infinite). You kinda have to intentionally over-heal in almost anything lower, even if your party takes 100% avoidable damage (let's assume they avoid 1 shot mechanics, can't heal that anyways).
Another positive for follow dungeons. As an RPer, it makes current content dungeons available to RP in with a smaller group, as now you can clear the instance in character with maybe one or two other people, at your own pace, stopping for emotes and dialogue as well.
This is a big W for RPers. Right now the only ways to do something like this is with either a full group, or to go back and do the dungeon again when you and overpower it. Being able to do it on level with some npcs to make it modestly challenging without being a slog should hopefully be way more immersive
I hadn’t considered this. That’s an AMAZING secondary benefit.
The follower dungeons is what excites me most, could easily imagine a situation where we do dungeons with Thrall and Anduin and Alleria etc in TWW
I just want somewhere to explore the damnable dungeon without getting called a noob because I only spent three hours watching dungeon routes
It would be so funny if Anduin sucked at healing
@@KevinchuWylde lol he can’t currently use the light right now, so I imagine he wouldn’t be a healer at all. No, the cinematic didn’t fix the problem. It only started him down on the path to doing so. He has a long way to go.
New collection tab, Follower Dungeon Heroes! Can make your dream team and always have Time Warp CDs etc! That would be heckin awesome! Although I think for the purpose of the story, first time would need to be a locked selection. Replaying can be with your own team.
Could be cool if they did this retroactively too. So characters relevant to the questing zone would appear. It's completely unneccessary, and wouldn't change anything other than the look and names of your party members, but would be neat. Like if you're doing Razorfen Downs and Mankrik shows up
I really think they will be great to learn how to Tank and Heal, I'm excited for this more than anything they ever put in the game
That is so true. I don't even want to try tanking in WoW because if you make one mistake you would get kicked.
@@Mode-_-Geek ...not true, that's why you do NORMAL runs, LFR, guild runs, watch youtube vids, look at dungeon journals...
If you want to tank an m5 and not know the fights...yeah no, nobody's going to help you...
With m0's you will get some leanway...but don't expect ppl to teach you when you have SOOO many resources at your fingertips. When ppl run m2+ they expect you to know fights. I've kicked a dps who queued for an m8 that didn't know fights...didn't even bother doing it on normal...like what?
Hell, there are even addons like DBM and Weak Auras that tell you WHEN to taunt, WHAT to do, WHEN to do it, WHEN/WHAT is the next big attack!
I mean...just how much hand holding do you need????
@@midnull6009 I understand what you are saying. But if you simply don't know the route of a dungeon you get kicked for being to slow or needing some help in direction even. I get it you can look up guides. I am just talking about learning in the most basic way when you don't have time to watch a ton of youtube videos and simply want to play.
I stick to dps because it is easy and I can just get in there with my mods and not really have to question much. It is easier to do that on FFXIV because people will litterally throw advice out at you and be like np if you mess up. But the few times I tried to do the same with tank on WoW, people kicked before saying how I even screwed up. It put a bad taste in my mouth and makes simply trying feel like a waste of time, especially if I get halfway through a dungeon and then get kicked.
I am a chicken who likes no pressure, so I just look forward to a solo way of learning tank is all. That is how I learn best, is by doing. It is just a lot of stress is all I am saying and for me I would rather just avoid it at this point, stick to dps, and have fun.
@@Mode-_-Geek I dunno man...there will always be assholes but not everybody is that way. Especially in normals and heroics. In mythics it's a different story...but even in a low key whey probability wouldn't kick you cuz it's not worth the effort of finding new ppl especially tanks or heals...and you can still make it with 1 bad dps so...
Follower Dungeons are exactly what I need. I LOVE it!
Having your warband members in the AI dungeon run sounds fantastic. They could make it work if they just had the characters as a "transmog" type appearance with general class skills of their type, right? So a party member that could be an Enh. Shaman would be a screenshot of my alt (also Enh shaman) but with scaled iLvL etc. They can't receive any gear or xp. That's game breaking imo. Also ALSO: Running a storyline dungeon with major WoW characters as party members. Be part of the main story. That would be amazing.
The Problem is, how do you decides what Members of your Warband show up.
I have currently 56 Chars and 26 on Max. Level. Yeah, there's the new Campfire-Feature were you can put in your 4 favorite Characters to be able to login faster, but if it's those 4 to show up, does that mean I need to play someone not on the campfire, and what if there are only DPS at the Campfire.
I don't think you can use your Alts as NPCs.
@@MortimerFolchert That's a good point, Maybe you'll get to designate an alt as a "follower" type thing like they've done with missions in the past? We'd need to see warbands fleshed out a little more to speculate.
using self flight during the races is a huge advantage. The dragon take up 1/3 of your screen and the wings often block obstacles. (imo)
I never realised till now, that Blizzard misspelled Draenei On the road map, Im hoping that this is a hint to maybe finally getting the heritage sets for Trolls.
Also hoping that just like how they handed the "Re take the undercity" questline they make the Glineas one able to be doen on both horde and alliance
Also Hoping that the Follower Dungeons is Testing ground for Warbands, Like in The war Within we will be able to do Follower dungeons with our alts hoping it expands to heroics too, but doesnt go beyond that
Why would misspelling Draenei be a hint to Troll heritage?
I got money for the super sneaky hidden info being a Ruby Sanctum style raid (and rot based dungeon as well) to tie between 10.2.5 and the prepatch story stuff, allowing for Magni to come back into the story and then the prepatch is us going to find Anduin leading in to the cinematic with Thrall and Anduin in Silithus
they should also make Follower Raids, so you can do those 1 expansion late Raids without having to form groups just because you cannot get past 1 boss soloing
That would be a perfect alternative to LFR, for us who can't get into actual raids, but are tired of long queue times, and toxic or stupid players.
Yep this, as someone whos only does PVP but still enjoys the story, it sucks how at the end of the campaign i cant finish up the story line or have to go through the hell of LFR (and have to wait 3 or 4 weeks after patch release). Even if it gives no loot and you can just see the raid and finish off the story would be brilliant.
I still hope that Amirdrassil will not be just another world tree, but an old world revamp tree. And it's influence will gradually spread to other continents. After all, this tree revamped Draconic Aspects
Wonder if the follower dungeons will be a test for follower raids in the future.
Something that I also think is brilliant about WHO the followers in the follower dungeon are is that a fresh brand new player went through the new player experience, so they are already familiar with Captain Garrick and Shuja etc. I bet it would be nice for them to feel as though their new comrades they adventured with are right there for the journey with them as they explore new dungeons.
Ive honestly been wanting and waiting for follower dungeon since Exiles reach came out 😂 and i totally agree about using follower dungeon as a way to experience the story, especially of the older stuff. I skipped WoD, and everytime i run that dungeon with guldan i always have to skip the cinematic… ive still never seen it 😅
Now do the same AI for raids and replace LFR with this system. LFR is already doing raid with NPC so there would be no change. Plus no que times so I think win-win.
The one random time where i am online a minute after a video releases. It's weird to see the comment section empty and the like numbers before they blow up.
Don't worry too much about just now learning about those flight paths in that dragon riding dungeon, Tali. I learned the exact same time you did.... by watching you! 😛
I got reminded that I noticed them back in 10.0, but then forgot about thwm :D
I will probably never play follower dungeons myself. However, the technology behind this is such a cool addition that we might see much more interesting content in the future! Possibly in form of scenarios or maybe guild halls with NPC raids? 👀
I think the Dracthyr flying has a cool down to keep it in line with the similar Worgen ability wild running. Druids not being the only to instantly travel takes away their specialness.
Also... Demon Hunters have wings (sometimes) and Illidan could fly, so I think it's a huge injustice that DHs haven't gotten flying like Dracthyr.
I think we're missing something behind the idea of the reduced dragonriding speed. The game is only as big as the time it takes to traverse it. If everything was larger, the relative speed would be smaller. Players keep asking for a larger world but also faster ways to traverse it, which is very contradictory when you think about it, because these things are basically opposites when it comes to a virtual environment.
In other words, there are two ways you can make the world feel larger (which is what players want): Making bigger zones or increase travel times. And they can't exactly enlarge the old world. I think the reduced speed is totally fine, I wouldn't even mind if it was smaller than that.
A bigger world just LOOKS bigger. What are you on about? Just because I can also travel the hypothetical bigger zone on my hypothetical faster mount in a shorter amount of time, doesn't mean the Zone will feel smaller. When I dismount and run around to do things I'm still as slow as ever, and I'll look tiny compared to everything around me.
It will just feel more real. Instead of having every square inch taken up by quest objectives or mobs, have it feel like an actual landscape, where there are areas in between objectives where there's nothing but landscape to explore and get lost in.
That's why we need World revamp or expansion of lands. (Same territories but bigger with bigger settlements and cities like Suramar or Boralus)
"Size of the world" also applies in terms of quest areas overlapping. There's space between areas for just null space or possible future content.
I was just testing it out on PTR - in smaller areas, like cities, it can feel TOO fast. You really get a sense for just how much smaller old world maps are comparatively
The speed reduction could also partly be for technical reasons as well. In the PTR I have experienced moments when ability inputs and vigor regen became unresponsive as if I had disconnected only I hadn't. I think the server fell behind on my character's status updates and was having to spend a number of server ticks to catch back up. This is something I haven't experienced on the Dragon Isles content.
The thing about the tree being in the Dragon Isles is that it’s just an expansion continent, which hasn’t historically been relevant afterward, and being the new player zone does nothing for it. Boralus is still empty. Also, there is already Valdrakken, so that’s likely where anybody would go. So it is kind of like “here’s a new city out of the way that nobody will bother going to” to night elf players. Player housing or features like that would be necessary to make it relevant.
I absolutely think this is a great idea. I think followers should come with the player for everything! Quests in the world, dungeons up to heroic (Not m+) and lfr. The player being able to learn the fights through expierence rather than going with other players will absolutely encourage those who do NOT do any multiplayer content to do some.
I'd say up to m0, at that point people can actually learn the mechanics of the dungeons and see how punisjing it is to not follow it.
Dungeon Siege 2 worked this way. Up to 3 characters and you could switch the main in the party even during combat.
@@santiagopecki think above m0 and bellow m+2 is adequate. Newer players need to experience the timer and some afixes in order to acclimate to higher difficulties.
I hope they add single Boss arenas like strikes or trials for specific bosses in the story in the future.
I miss those from the past. Enter the lair, clear some trash (maybe a mini boss or two) and have your showdown with the raid boss.
They should do something big. They have this big, three xpac story- they need to kick it off in a big way to show us it is not all just talk.
I actually think they should do a bunch of small but important things to prove that they're really working to improve the game.
They have been doing that all year. Unfortunately, while great for the game (and the players still engaged)- those type of changes do not really bring players back. Not many have returned despite that fact that Blizz has made and done more changes this year than ever before. It's obvious that Blizz is trying to bring back some of the players they lost, announcing a set of small but important things has yet to bring them back, so they are trying a different approach.
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You're making me want to do a fourth playthrough of Baldur's Gate 3 with that music in the background
This is the earliest I've ever been to a reset!
Go explore Gilneas now - it's bigger than you think. The insides of some of those buildings are beautiful & there is a 'hidden' underground (escape) tunnel there as well.
I feel like the reactions to the whole Fallower dungeon thing is hinting more towards Fallower raids so you can actually experience an entire expansion.
Agree. Won't have to depend on douchebags to do content.
Really happy that they're adding story difficulty dungeon NPCs!! I hope they add the them for older content as well!
I thought the most important to be added feature for Tali would be playable tuskarr - so I guess Blizzard can cancel that development branch :D
To expand on your Follower-dungeon-using-warband-characters-train-of-thought... I think a really cool idea would simply be to use (in addition to class/race combo) their name and transmog. That way, it's less complicated but still give a little personalization to the NPCs.
Worth all the time it (probably) will take to develop? Probably not, but still very cool.
As a long time warcraft player, I am super excited that the dev team is really trying to tie up the multiple lose ends of the storylines. They are obviously working on making the expansions meld together cohesively. Also, the thoughtful addition of more solo player content is totally awesome! I am looking forward to all future developments in both retail and classic.
Holy WoW, Taliesin. My warband characters in my follower dungeon would be so Fn awesome. We need to make this happen now!
Follower dungeons is such a cool thing ,it will help so much learning new specs and seeing more of the storyline :D
Yes!
Player housing was already part of the game for a few expansions (the Till Market in Pandaria, Garrison in WoD, Class Halls in Legion and the Covenant houses in SL), so why would a 'real' player housing be silly? Idk if i would use it myself (since i already abandoned the 4 'houses'). I hope we see a house with the 4 combined features, since they all had their unique purpose
I wish the Followers we had in Legion Order Halls can fill the dungeon roles using this kind of feature just to make them relevant, the followers from BFA Mission Tables or the Covernant Soulbinds in Shadowlands would sound cool.
I admit I started to get distracted during your conversation, but then that Outer Wilds music kicked in ❤
OMG i absolutely love your idea of your alts playing the follower dungeons! 😍
Follower dungeons will do FAR less damage to the social fabric of WoW than the toxic players already have inflicted.
I’m smelling a major character death coming
Hopefully at the hands of iridikron or xalatath
I dont know if its the new painting in the background or something else but this video looks super crisp
I get people want the new tree in Kalimdor, but I also think, that it’s fitting that it’s near the emerald dream, which by the way has portals to Ashenvale and Feralas, where the heaviest night elf population would be. Easy access to rebuild everywhere.
I definitely feel like the Follower dungeons need to be implemented through all of the content as going through the Legion Storyline again to get the items required for each zone being able to do those dungeons solo would allow you to complete some of the story and not feel like your skipping some steps along the way.
I loved the ending cinematic, DF was never an epic expansion, it was all about scalies and family
Honistly i like both dragonriding and normal flying, i wouldnt wanna lose the option to use my TLPD like the old gods intended... Actually happy i can use my mounts now in DF 10.2 for questing and stuff its way more chill to use
I really wish blizzard could leave all this soft modern writing behind in the next expansion. I hope in the next big cinematic we see is Anduin on the battlefield with a manly looking face and bodies all around him saying cool stuff. I want that epic feeling again and not some personal therapy bs
I too was once thirteen years old.
@@LoopStricken you regressed if you like this "family friendly" story. We are supposed to learn and develop a taste for quality over the years
You're expecting him to be his father, even though most of his character development is about how he's not like his father?
@@abydosianchulac2the level of soy is 100. He used to be like 50-60. Just too.much
At least they appropriately teased follower dungeons months ago by leaving it unencrypted for data mining. Was surprised it didn't have more hype speculation.
I think they could do warbands in follower dungeons as, like you said, a cosmetic choice. They have the mechanics for a few classes worked into the AI already and will probably add more during the Saga; Blizz could make it so that if one of your characters has a matching spec you can swap them in place of the npc, just changing their appearance and name.
I think the long, long term version of follower dungeons will be follower raids. A tier below or close to raid finder where you go through the raid with 9 npc mooks. Blizz put story endings in the raids so it would be good for *everyone* to be able to see them in game.
But lfr exists already, it's insanely easy
@@jtowensbyiii6018 sure but the point will be to see the story, not to gear
I really love the idea of solo dungeons. I never do dungeons (or raids) during an expansion--it's something I always go back to do an expansion later when I can do it solo. I don't like people being yippy with each other and yelling because someone messed one thing up, so I try to avoid group content anymore. So being able to do it during the expansion will be really nice. I'll admit, I haven't played since Shadowlands, but all of this hype with the War Within has got me thinking about coming back for the end of Dragonflight. That was the first time since World of Warcraft that I've never pre-paid for an expansion. It was hard to walk away after so many years, and now there seems like so many exciting things coming.
The post raid quests are so good! Seeing and talking to everyone at the party is just such a nice resolution. (and such a good way to get the nelf heritage armour recolour imo)
Wow seems to be taking inspiration from ff14’s narrative experience with more organized story questlines and now npc-led dungeons and I hope they’ll follow through and one day overall the whole of the game to allow to re-do the whole of the game and its expansions without feeling lost, alone or desynchronized with the rest of the game
if the AI are replaced with ALTs they should not use their actual gear or able to loot. Just for Cosmetics. BUT the loot could be Warband loot that you could stick in the bank for them anyway
Follower dungeons is going to be the thing that finally gets me into pve. I love pvp and while I enjoy pve, I can't stand learning something new while dealing with assholes. And there seem to be a lot of them. Now I'll be able to get things down without feeling like and being called trash. Hats off to Blizz on this win.
I think warband ai controlled dungeon groups would just be in name and transmog. No loot, no anything for any character besides the one youre actively playing
Had another thought, what if the new mystery feature that you’re thinking might be a thing, is actually an entirely new starting zone for the night elf race.
Oh heck, that might explain why we keep seeing all these new old world assets is they could be redoing all the starting zones. And the night elf one might just be the first one to roll out. 😅
Pipe dream you think ?
"Putting X's on all my windows!" Lovely little X-Files reference.
I can watch cinematics without coming back to a vote kick? Wow, can't believe it took a decade.
Shout out to the unexpected (but very welcomed) Outer Wilds music in the end ❤
Played wow since launch and the algorithm just tossed you my way. What a great video and your energy is refreshing as hell! SUBSCRIBED! :) I look forward to checking out the podcasts. Now if I can just get my wife into wow. Best laid plans and all that. >:)
I was hoping warbands were follower "dungeons" from the announcement. But more like delves. You're right that it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense (outside of the awesome flavor it would provide) to have your warband alts be part of normal dungeons but it could be awesome as part of this new pillar of content that delves are supposed to be!
17:50 Thanks for bringing the umbrella to the brainstorm Tali. ffs
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14:10 Iiiiiiiiintersting thought there Tali. Follower Raids during chromie time. You said bosses, but why not the whole raid? It could do the same thing as dungeons might(we'll have to see how that goes first of course), as far as getting players comfortable with it, possibly encouraging them to try at least LFR or normal raids in the current xpac. It would at least make the Herald of the Titans title easier to get. Lol.
I believe evoker has a cooldown on "take flight" because it's also starts you with an upward flap, while a normal dragon "mount up" does not. The 10 second delay guarantees you have at least one vigor.
wish it came with regular flight mode with it.
Like I don't even care if it isn't regular flying, I'd be fine if it was Zen Flight speed like with Monks.
What if we brought back the Warfront tech but combined it with the Follower Dungeon AI. So the gnolls attempt to take over the tree and we do a 40 man pve battle against them combining Horde, Alliance + all our allies to fight against the rot?
Like, not in the auto-win type gameplay, but in at least normal raid difficulty but as a huge scenario.
I dunno, I always enjoyed the warfront as a concept but wished it was more difficult or had pvp.
Now what about instead of random chars from you warband - it drew from random characters from people on your friendlist. - That would sort the issue with specs and such - and would still add some fun novelty.
As primarily a night elf player, I was really hoping with the silly night elf heritage quest they were going to put it Felwood. Very disappointed in the placement of the world tree.
it has been 0 days since tali was convinced player housing is coming
I feel like the cooldown for soar may have to do with animations/rigs. Your character basically turns into a mount while your using soar and when you land it turns back to a player's rig, so it might break if you keep going in and out of soar too quickly.
16:06 I didn't play the FFXIV version of this much but I did like the banter between the twins in The Grand Cosmos when I tried and failed to do it there, with Alphinaud jokingly (least I hope it was a joke) suggesting they use Leannan Sith's leaves for tea and Alisaie was all "Why are you like this?"
So, I don't get it. What is the big deal and excitement around player housing? When would you use it? I don't sit in my real house and log into WoW just to sit around in a fake, online game house. I also don't see myself returning to my player house when I'm done questing for the day because more likely than not, my house will not be conveniently located in an area close to where I am currently playing.
So yeah, what's the big deal?
Follower dungeons though? Hell yeah!
follower dungeons seem so great, i play with my young nephew sometimes and i have to arrange groups so that i dont get any toxic people in there with me, but now we can just do the dungeon with polite npcs :)
The Night Elf capital should be on mount Hyjal. Period. Nothing else makes any goddamn lore sense. THEY HAVE LIVED THERE FOR TEN THOUSAND YEARS. They lived in Teldrassil for less than thirty years. Plus, Nordrassil is still there, healing. Why did the Night Elves NEED a new world tree again, has anyone adequately explained this - lorewise, I mean - I get that it's to appease players - but what did it accomplish in-universe for the Night Elves?
Can we just talk about how much easier it will be to get to the Alter of Decay for LWers who want to craft a toxified item for DPS roles? I've had to sit in a hour+ queue with Brakenhide normal and heroic selected just to try and get a crafting order made. Now I can get a instant queue pop and push through!
Hey could you link your podcasting achievement before I listen to your podcast x
(My Thursdays suck so this is gonna perk them right up thanks friends)
Given Follower Dungeons will almost undoubtedly be way slower than running with a group of normal players, they won't replace normal dungeons no. FFXIV added the same thing called Trust Dungeons ages ago, and people still run dungeons as a normal group pretty much as the default because player DPS will generally be a decent chunk higher than Trust Dungeon follower DPS.
19:00 Well, I'm sure they're aware of the bingo card existing so it wouldn't surprise me of those smug knowing replies weren't meant specifically for you lol.
Great episode, one critique though: if you’re going to use out wet wilds music, it needs to be louder in the background. That is all.
I would 1000% only do follower dungeons if I could progress from Normal to Heroic and even Mythic versions. The ability to run dungeons with 1 or 2 close friends/family, or even do them solo, and not have to suffer the general toxicity of group finders would be amazing!!
Heck, throw follower raids in the mix too and I'd be extremely happy! :D
That's what delves will be for - you and the couple people you play with. And they will offer the same kinds of rewards, it sounds like!
@@christabelle__ Delves sound more like Torghast or those annoying Insanity things from BfA. I have no interest in that kind of thing. :)
I would be amazed if they made follower raids. because the story always leads up to a raid. And if they do it has to be using the main characters like for now Ysera as a healer, Tyranda as a dps. And why not have Khadgar be the raidleader, shouting out what DBM normally tells you. It doesn't even have to drop loot, or like normal story quest lvl loot.
I am not a fan of Amirdrassil being the new Nelf capital, just yet. There are several reasons, but primarily it has to do with the fact the Dragon Isles are not part of the base world map or even available in the new player experience, but Nelfs will be. Yes, I realize Nelfs can start in Amirdrassil and portal their way to some other place for questing, but that's a huge disconnect in my mind and I'm unable to see the sense of it when their historical lands and cultural ties will be on another continent. It feels like an abandonment of Kalimdor, which I'm not ready to accept. I'm super curious how this will all work out. It's like...Pandaren not being able to level in Pandaria. I hate it.
Like many, I left WoW in 9.1. I have not regretted it, but I've been lightly keeping up things to see how the game changes. The news from Dragonflight has all been positive, but nothing to actually entice me back. Honestly, Follower Dungeons seems like a feature that might actually make me give me reason to check the game out again. It would let my casual friends try to learn healing and tanking away from the pressures of pugs, which would increase the variety of ways that we can play together.
7:26 Yep. Overwatch archives. That sounds just about right. The other part about dungeon and story is true until they hide the end of the quest chain in a Mythic dungeon like they keep doing since Legion. Court of Stars, Siege of Boralus, Mechagon, Tezavesh, Dawn of the Infinities. Will they change and stop doing Mythic only dungeons? I highly doubt it.
I feel like they didn't announce follower dungeons at Blizzcon because they weren't sure how it would be received. Better to release it as a 'side' feature and have people love it than a 'main' feature and have people meltdown over it.
So what's going to happen with Gilneas then? Is this Alliance capital going to be a neutral zone where Hordies are welcome to just wander around at will? Seems silly. Or is it going to turn into an Alliance capital city and as soon as a Horde player turns in their final quest all the city guards jump on them and they get kicked out forever? That seems silly too.
I don't see the thrill of player housing. Everyone (ok, everyone that don't have a life and has played wow since WoD) has a garrison, and most everyone hate it. If anyone want a player house, the garrison is still there to hang out in, with your very own bank and auction house.
Follower dungeons are a great way to explore and finish quests in dungeons instead of speedrunning them and miss out on most of the content.
I don't want my alts to be my AI partners. They're for me, not the robots. No, I want followers from the various mission tables we've had in previous expansions to be my AI partners! We spent so much time sending them off on adventures while we did admin and shit. It's time for us to adventure together!
3:38 I guess they are thinking something like: "... because you can't give them no cast mount time if you are planning to let other classes be dracthyrs. We don't want people creating a dracthyr warrior to have a little advantage during world pvp. It's ok for druids to have that, it's their special thing and we think that should be preserved as their special thing. Just like rogues can skip "key quests" if they are smart." Or something like that. I couldn't care less tbh
Before they even announced Ai dungeons, I said the one thing that would set warbands over the top for me would be to allow your warbands to run ai dungeons and the option to call in 1 of your warband members to open world while you quest or farm. Let those players who have dedicated hours upon hours into their alts to be showcased on one screen in all their glory. Nothing would be cooler than to see a handful of my characters sharing the same screen for the first time.
Am super excited for followers dungeons because i try to solo dungeons and raids now it's takes forever to do so haveing npc is great saves me hours of time lol