My success in breaking 90 came after playing for an entire season only Pitch & Putt courses.....You learn very quickly distance control, pitching and chipping. Also P&P courses tend to have tiny greens in comparison to standard 18 hole courses, so accuracy is crucial. When went back to full standard length courses, the fairways and greens looked huge in comparison. The problem now is trying to break 80..... ho hum, this journey never seems to end !!!!
To break 90 is reasonably easy provided you can do 3 things: 1) drive straight as long as the distance is 180 yards or more. Hit it 230 yards into the trees means your 3rd shot will be barely any closer to the green. 2) chip/pitch competently from 50/60 yards and in - so your next shot is a putt. Bad pitches end up in bunkers which take 1-2 shots to get out of 3) Putt well. 2 putts per green, 3 putt on a regular basis is a problem Despite playing off 10 (ish) I struggle with more than one of the above
100% agree. I score in the mid 80's despite an ABYSMAL iron game. Driver carries around 200 yards relatively straight, second shot puts me within 50 yards, wedge it onto the green and 2 putt for bogey. Occasional greens in reg or 1-putts put a handful of pars on the card and boom, sub 90 golf!
So true. I hit Driver 265-282 but it is straight only 3-4 holes. Further, my chip / pitch shots from 50 yards often roll off or end up in a bunker. As such, I score around 95. NEXT YEAR!!!
Great video. Please do the same for breaking 100. After 3 years I still have a good 9 then a bad 9 never 2 good 9s together. How about a journey for the late starting golf, high handicappers?
This is maybe the single best video you’ve ever done and one of the best golf instruction videos ever on RUclips. So so so many truths on display here.
This is exactly my game... i'm between 90 - 95 mph swing 215 - 230 yard drive. I break 90 maybe once or twice a year. It seems easy to keep it straight and try not to 3 putt but it's so very hard ... Really enjoyed this video Mark!!!!
A “welcome to the average golfers world video”. I’m toying with the idea of upgrading my 2016 M2 driver to a new M6 to squeeze some more metres out of my drives. Already replaced my 4, 5 and 6 irons with hybrids. The numbers you were hitting your clubs in this video, were my numbers. You were spot on, with your comment on when we putt well, we score well.
This is all very interesting...but...I think it would be better to do a "playing lesson" with a 20 handicap player and help him figure out how to break 90.
YES! That would be much better. Grab a student and film that. We would relate much more to that than watching you two limit your distances. Don't get me wrong, enjoyed the video but that is what would be interesting to see.
This is the reality for over 90% of club golfers and great to see you facing the problems we do: not able to reach par 4’s in two and if you do it is a wood/hybrid or long iron into the green; as you have said recently par 3’s that are over 200 yds and can require a driver off the tee; needing to 2 putt or single putt to make a score. Great to see a video that actually equates to the game I play!
Roenie Agreed, to a certain extent. I just got a 3 year membership for under $200 total. Before this, I’d be lucky to get in 10 rounds a year. Now I’m planning on playing at least 4 rounds a month, weather permitting. Hoping to be a scratch golfer in a couple years. And I still work full time.
Roenie A local course here was celebrating an anniversary sale. Minnesota USA. Normally I can only afford about a round a week. But I usually practice on the putting and chipping greens when I can’t play a round.
@@thomba02 you sound like my buddy, lotta talent, what are you shooting now? 75-80? I'm 30 now, haven't golfed in 15 years, had some lessons as a kid. been to the range for 2 hours 6 days a week for the past month, my first round was 2 weeks in and I shot 102 scoring it legit with 10 lost balls. I'm probably a funny 30 handicapper (if 1 round counts as a handicap) because I strike the ball pretty well, even with my blades, just inconsistent. Hoping to drop to the mid 80's pretty quick and then focus on my short game. Hoping for 5 years to scratch, which is a pretty lofty goal, but I have a flexibe schedule so Ill probably get a membership and golf every day. It's super motivating how people with broken swings who couldnt hit a ball straight to save their lives are low handicappers lol
The only thing missing from my perspective were the tops and fat shots. So I'm a 25 handicap and suffer from the occasional thin/top/fat one. Those mistakes can costs several shots on a round 😢😥 great video guys!
These latest series of videos have been bloody fantastic. From wet spinning wedges to fixing shanks or hitting fairways. I am the youngest, at 52, in my regular group with the eldest being 73 and as much as I might hit a driver past them they are so consistent. Like you say play it down the middle and then chip and putt. They are still on a better handicap than me. My GA handicap is 18.3, local handicap is 20. If you’re going to belt the cover off the ball keep it straight or pay the penalty. Looking forward to the next one. Thanks team.
This series lately will be such a big thing for me in he future. Broke my leg (Tib and Fib) 9 weeks ago and no where near learning how to walk again after a rough surgery. So I will have to take golf up from the start again as my body is completely different not with new limitations. Love all your content Bruh. Kept me company over the past few months in recovery!
21.4 handicapper. Playing from the White’s is a definite bogey game +. I attribute 4 to 6 strokes to lack of focus the rest is just lack of distance. Side note: heard Mark talking about the ten finger grip. Tried it and enjoyed immediate success. It allows me to release the club through impact which lets the club face square. Very excited to get my first round in using ten finger grip. More to follow.
Great video Mark.. I’m breaking 90 quite regularly now playing off 16 but still have bad days.. yes it’s the GIR that’s stopping me now breaking 80.. 82 being my best.. To break 90 I gave my self 5 shots in each hole and tried to go round in under par until I hit that beautiful 89 one day.. I still use this even now if I want a good score in a comp.. no risky shots, driver usually stays in the bag as well.. thanks again for the video. Keep up the good work 👍👍
Really good video. I am 18hcp at the moment and the main focus for me for every hole is to make sure I get something in play off the tee. If I do that then chances are good because I have more options on how to get to the green, Go for it, Lay up, look for the best bail, run it in , fly it in etc. I always consider my second shot as my "free shot". Where guys like us maybe stumble is the likes of that lovely bunker shot Coach hit. There is no way an 18hcp would be capable of that and that's when we rack up the scores. We can be consistent for 14-15 holes playing to hcp or lower, but there is always 3-4 holes where its going to be 3/4 shots over par.
I know you have had some fantastic content over the past 10+ years, but this was really intriguing to me. I think it was because you were concentrating and had fun. Great video.
This is a great and very accurate video. This shows exactly what it's like to be a high hdcp. Long 3 putts. Inaccurate off of the tee. The only issue I have with this video is that you and coach can strike the ball very well ie ball turf vs the duff.
Qdog That was amazing you just played my average round. My drives 190 to 220 I have removed all long long clubs replaced them with Hybrids and Fairway woods. My target is to improve my short game and putting, Marks 3 put is my down fall never close enough. Great Video
I'm a little higher in summer in a little lower in winter, I mean speeds. Broke 90 in september after playing a lot during august holidays. Solution was to play narrow/though courses to train the ability to minimize mistakes and train recoveries. But also handle though situations better, on the mental side. Then I scored well on my course that felt a lot easier. As for the video, it's great that you get in our situations/lies/descent angle problems. But even with a harder course and clubs not suited to the swingspeeds, you both still have a higher skillset and finesse to your shots than the bogey Jim/Bob. Very clear with that bunker shot and rough shots. Still, I'm grateful you spend some of your time doing it for us when you probably want to play that course to your maximum ability. I'm eagerly waiting for the next break 90 video 👍
that was very interesting. I've been playing for 3-4 months. All those distances are around what I can hit. Great to hear the comments and stuff. keep it up.
Welcome to our world Mark and coach! I play off 15 and to those exact numbers. It's the 3S's we're looking for - speed, strike, short game. A little better on each and that means mid 80's instead of high 80's low 90's.
Mr. Crossfield- I saw this video a year after its filming, and was very impressed to see (as others commented) how much your rules made your games similar to mine! Except that I have more mis-hits. Unfortunately, the big lesson from this work is that if an average golfer wants to score better he must gain the ability to hit the ball quite long. I don't think that age and treachery alone are going to do it for me.
Ah. Finally you are playing my game. I dont hit it very far but I do hit it straight. I average 86. I have shot 80 even 2 times and missed 3 birdie putts within 3 feet because I was so nervous. I play 9 holes most of the time. I shot a 37 once and a 38 once. I made a lot of putts those days. Fun video!!
Interesting to hear Lockey’s observation that it’s easier with the lower clubs. I 100% agree. I’m awful off the tee with both distance and direction, tolerable on the approach shot (often short), but feel like a champ with a wedge in my hand. Loft is your friend
very interesting video, looking forward to you revealing the big secret at the end 😊. Broke 100 pretty quickly, soon as I thought 90 would follow went to pot. You need to remember mid to high handicappers don't have the consistency you do so throw in a few thins/top/fats. As you said cut out the mistakes but so hard to do
Great vid Mark and coach i watched this first when it was posted in Oct , and as a high handicapper ( 21 ) i put some ides from this into my game , i have shot 89, 87, 90 , 92 and 86 my last 5 rounds since . Hmmmmm its all about thinking your way around . All too often i lose it after trying to go for outright distance and wanging it . handicap down to teens now . Many thanks keep em coming
EXCELLENT experiment! I really appreciate your approach to accuracy by using the "correct" clubs for the shots required. Thanks for all of the awesome content!
Fabulous as always. I’m a 18 handicap, and find this so interesting. I play off the yellow tees, at my course there is a couple of 200 yard par 3’s and a couple of 460 yard par 4’s all the greens are heavily bunkered so you can’t roll the ball on. Be interesting to see how you guys would play those holes. Can’t wait for part 2&3. Cheers brah
Enjoyed that it is bloody hard broken 90 twice but always have a score around 94-97 struggling at the minute with hitting straight left shots stressful lol keep up the good show lads
Seems like the biggest message here is to get people to play the tees appropriate for their distances. This and the left-handed series are my favorites so far (long-time subscriber).
Love this. I do swing it this speed, and game golf has me off of 4.5 lately. The key, for me, is that I can hit my irons through specific little hoops in the air. It’s a tough way to get it done, for sure.
Interesting. The harder golf is for you the harder golf is. Thanks D-Loft. 😡😋 Matts statement mid-way through "It puts your putting under a lot of pressure." Quote re-playing to your handicap is illuminating. All in, it adds to my focus on practice at the moment. Working predominantly on strike and swing speed (ie "The Lucas move") to put me further down the fairway while at the same time avoiding penalties. This will give me shorter clubs into the green and therefore help me make it easier to hit in the mid 80's etc. Ps. My home course of Maroochyriver in Sunshine Coast Qld has greens as fast as the Stadium course at Catalunya.
Definitely an interesting video. It highlights the issues that occur when swing speed is too low and it’s definitely much more challenging to break 90 with the lower distance off the tee. However I play with plenty of guys who struggle to break 90 and hit it well off the tee and the bigger challenge they have is the “Ive got to hit a soft draw with the ball below my feet out of the rough...oh great shot Jim” kind of shots. Even if they are 40 yards further on it’s the recoveries and the shots that then rack up as a result that are the biggest challenges.
To add to this, those guys that are hitting well off the tee and struggling to break 90 certainly have a better chance to break 90 with their extra speed (I think the shots gained explains somewhere that you are better going long and wild), so the challenge of this video holds true. However when I see the guys hitting well off the tee and struggling to hit 90 it usually seems down to decision making. One of the comments Mark made earlier in the year about how he wished Coach would play under the hole is definitely one you see from those that struggle. They just then don’t have the skills to recover from the tough spots like lockey does when they airmail the green from 100yds with a wedge.
Brilliant fun and very interesting guys.....i am a lapsed 12 handicapper last played a competition 3 to 4 years ago but due to work getting in the way not had a chance but had a golfing holiday with my son in Scotland recently and played to about 16, over the 3 courses the thing I noticed was losing some touch on the short game...my driving and putting has always been pretty good.
This is so true. I play off 8 but only hit driver average 222 (game golf). Usually in the middle of the fairways. Strokes gained against scratch shows I'm as good a putter and chipper but lose 3 off the tees. I score well if the hybrids are working. Need to find some more speed.
Great content as always guys. I’ve been playing for just over 2 years and been hanging around mid to low 90s for about a year. This summer I’ve averaged 1.9 putts per hole. I find my tee shots dictate my score. With a driver club head speed over 100, distance isn’t an issue. It’s about finding fairways and getting my approach up and around the green.
This was great comedy... the kind I see often in my game, but comedy none the less!!! LOL It's interesting to see how you guys are discussing the importance of distance so much more when you're talking about breaking 90. It's so true!!! To have distance is such a game changer with the way courses are set up...especially if you're trying to get into a position to stop your ball on the green!!! Great stuff bruhs!!! You guys are golf heroes doing studies like these!!!
Another class video guys. Why I love this channel. Always challenging the status quo and experimenting. Keep it up, there’s a lot to be learned. You’re making us all better as well as yourselves better coaches. Cheers!
This is sincerely what I feel like playing a round. You're playing my distances, my ball speed, etc. The game can be frustrating! But I've learned to enjoy it and play stress-free shots.
Thru illness and age I have lost so much yardage that on my home course I'm not reaching long par 4's in two. Used to play off 4 and am now off 8. The only thing I can do is improve my short game obviously but I'll never get down to 4 again and that does my head in. It puts so much pressure on chipping and putting, bunker play and course management. I still have to play off the tips because I'm still category one , even though I'm 64 and struggling. Golf is no longer a journey upwards, just a miserable descent, so enjoy while you can guys
Great video. Im playing off 16 and have done for a few yrs now. Agree with everything you said. I do think at my level some days the swing just clicks and you play well, most days it's a battle though! 👍
Really interesting video. I’d love to see you compare your ‘break 90 swing’ v your normal swing and what you are doing differently to achieve those speeds and also what you might have to adjust to still get decent strike
good fun video what i'll take out from this video is my short game has to improve to have better scores but winter conditions wet everywhere and course sometimes closed will hamper scoring so i'm thinking treat rounds as practice
I play off 12 but have only played 32 rounds in the last 2 years since starting again (I played for 11 months about 12 years ago) My biggest thing is pain... If I didnt hurt all the time I would play much better. I usually start out pars and birdies but after a while my back and joints hurt so bad I start hitting poor shots. After watching this video I had to go to the range and see what my swing speeds were for all my clubs, I am 1 to 2 mph above tour average for men. Not bad for a 54 year old fat man with 12 bulging disks in my back, pain in every joint, severe fibromyalgia and had 2 surgeries on both legs to rip veins out... : ) I sure would love to play a round with you guys, Dan or Rory... I would even take pain meds to see how I could do to keep up with you guys
Great content. I’m now off an Index of 14.2 and find I hit sufficient pars or better to be knocking on 80 regularly. Unfortunately I still plagued by too many double bogies. My best rounds are when I recover/scramble better off my 4 bad tee shots per round.
Just started breaking 90 on the reg, barely. Still USGA cap at 16.7. Seems that when I find a weak spot in a round, I practice on it and the next round something else is weaker so I practice that. Feels a bit like a hamster on the wheel. Totally agree with the putting. When I’m in the zone putting, those are my lowest rounds. Great vid!
This is a great video and looking forward to seeing more in the series. First two tee shots could have been me at the same tee on different days. Club yardages... swing speeds... course management decisions are all so familiar. More of Bob and Jim/Jeff please!!!
I am not worried about score, just trying to get my swing changes to "stick" and NOT shoot 51/39. I think you shared the camera already, but GREAT video quality. Just love these discussion vids....oh, btw. GET UP, DAN!!!
very great video chaps 'this is real world golf and shows how hard it is for high hcp's and to score well and lower the round score and lower there hdc .
Excellent experiment. Made me realize how I broke 90 and why am I not consistently breaking 90 from 6400 yard. And all those 3 putts I made are not as unforgivable as I thought.
Love the video....but it is eye opening. I’m in the lower 80’s consistently and its good to remember why...Short game. I’m not a long hitter and that puts pressure on the rest of my game. Great insight Lads!
Your average 18 handicapper (i.e. me) is probably going to be struggling with playing shots off uneven lies and out of rough. Fun video to watch and also useful.
If you're breaking 80 then you're single figures hcap. if you check the stats they have a faster swing speed. Really interesting watching this and almost made me feel good that I swing driver below 90 mph and play off 13/14 . I'd also decided this winter that I'm going to work on more distance and strike and this video has just made me want to double my efforts doing that.
18 handicap!!! 50 yard bunker shot and 250 yards off the tee!!! Yeah right.. I’d be shaking hands. Well played bruh.!! Great vid guys and very nice course xx
Coolest vlog yet as I play off 18 ....my goal and I’m trying is to hit it further with all clubs to give myself that height coming into the greens and my putting is now down to two putts .... I agree I only play to my handy cap 1-7 times... but that will change ..I know use a 9 wood hitting 165..and a 7 wood 175/180..
I did like the vlog The Matt tee shots are believable for an 18 handicap but a small percentage of 18 handicaps would be as straight as Mark off the tee. Also shots into the green from more than 150/160 for 18 handicap are more likely to miss the green. Mark's 3 putting was totally believable :)
Enjoyed this! You think this was hard, try playing to 11 and having 5 duffs, 2 o/b and three 3 putts a round! My Sunday mornings are a nightmares some weeks 😂😂😂😂
Really pleased you mentioned the link to the left handed video as I was thinking the same as coaches of a standard such as the muppet need to understand not everyone can pick up the skill sets as easily
Very nice video! Useful and truly thoughtful! Well done!!! Believe it or not, some of us who watch you faithfully are very much interested in proper analysis for breaking 70! Pretty please?
Great vid again brah. For me, I break 90 easily, and get to low 80s when I'm in play properly off the tee. Hit it straight and it's fairly straightforward, but once I start spraying it (and it usually doesn't matter which club I hit off the tee 😭) then breaking 90 is tough
That was really interesting! I’ve just turned 60 and noticed a slight loss in distance, I used to be scratch up to mid 20’s and while that would be a big ask, I think I could get a single figure hcp & maintain it for a while as a “last hurrah”!
I'm working on gaining speed this winter and other swing ideas trying to gain some yards and consistency. Play off 13 but only hit around 16% GIR plotting it around. If I'm going to break 80 and ever get to single figures I think I need to be more aggressive and attack alittle more get my speed up learn to swing it fester (under control) that sort of thing stop plotting/patting around lol. Great content would like to see you do this at Torquay with some clubs suitable for the swing speed would be a good watch ⛳🏌️♂️👌
What score are you trying to break peoples. Let's hear y'all.
I'm breaking 90 fairly regularly now, so 80 is the next big target to break 😜
Trying to get back to breaking 80. Two summers ago I did that on the regular, but the handicap has been consistently rising since then...
Trying to break 100 and would like to do that consistently
To break 80 on a regular basis for me..
My course Par is 65 lowest round in comp 70 so 70 is the magic number 😂
My success in breaking 90 came after playing for an entire season only Pitch & Putt courses.....You learn very quickly distance control, pitching and chipping.
Also P&P courses tend to have tiny greens in comparison to standard 18 hole courses, so accuracy is crucial.
When went back to full standard length courses, the fairways and greens looked huge in comparison.
The problem now is trying to break 80..... ho hum, this journey never seems to end !!!!
To break 90 is reasonably easy provided you can do 3 things:
1) drive straight as long as the distance is 180 yards or more. Hit it 230 yards into the trees means your 3rd shot will be barely any closer to the green.
2) chip/pitch competently from 50/60 yards and in - so your next shot is a putt. Bad pitches end up in bunkers which take 1-2 shots to get out of
3) Putt well. 2 putts per green, 3 putt on a regular basis is a problem
Despite playing off 10 (ish) I struggle with more than one of the above
100% agree. I score in the mid 80's despite an ABYSMAL iron game. Driver carries around 200 yards relatively straight, second shot puts me within 50 yards, wedge it onto the green and 2 putt for bogey. Occasional greens in reg or 1-putts put a handful of pars on the card and boom, sub 90 golf!
So true. I hit Driver 265-282 but it is straight only 3-4 holes. Further, my chip / pitch shots from 50 yards often roll off or end up in a bunker. As such, I score around 95. NEXT YEAR!!!
Exactly. I can manage bogey golf with 2-4 triple bogeys a round. Iron out the 3 putts and duffed chips and mid 80's should be common.
That bunker shot on the 2nd... Bob is a bandit! 😂
In reality an 18 handicapper, (me) would never play such a good bunker shot.
@@johntwemlow6089 I have seen it happen. There are some 18 handicappers with great short games.
Great video. Please do the same for breaking 100. After 3 years I still have a good 9 then a bad 9 never 2 good 9s together. How about a journey for the late starting golf, high handicappers?
This is maybe the single best video you’ve ever done and one of the best golf instruction videos ever on RUclips. So so so many truths on display here.
This is exactly my game... i'm between 90 - 95 mph swing 215 - 230 yard drive. I break 90 maybe once or twice a year. It seems easy to keep it straight and try not to 3 putt but it's so very hard ... Really enjoyed this video Mark!!!!
A “welcome to the average golfers world video”. I’m toying with the idea of upgrading my 2016 M2 driver to a new M6 to squeeze some more metres out of my drives. Already replaced my 4, 5 and 6 irons with hybrids. The numbers you were hitting your clubs in this video, were my numbers. You were spot on, with your comment on when we putt well, we score well.
This is all very interesting...but...I think it would be better to do a "playing lesson" with a 20 handicap player and help him figure out how to break 90.
Good idea. The problem is could we all bear watching it?
I'm up for a trip...
I’m happy to volunteer 👍🏻😬
YES! That would be much better. Grab a student and film that. We would relate much more to that than watching you two limit your distances. Don't get me wrong, enjoyed the video but that is what would be interesting to see.
Agree great idea over to you mark?
This is the reality for over 90% of club golfers and great to see you facing the problems we do: not able to reach par 4’s in two and if you do it is a wood/hybrid or long iron into the green; as you have said recently par 3’s that are over 200 yds and can require a driver off the tee; needing to 2 putt or single putt to make a score. Great to see a video that actually equates to the game I play!
Strike is probably the biggest problem most bogey golfers face: thin, fats, flubs, duffs.
Roenie Agreed, to a certain extent. I just got a 3 year membership for under $200 total. Before this, I’d be lucky to get in 10 rounds a year. Now I’m planning on playing at least 4 rounds a month, weather permitting. Hoping to be a scratch golfer in a couple years. And I still work full time.
Roenie A local course here was celebrating an anniversary sale. Minnesota USA. Normally I can only afford about a round a week. But I usually practice on the putting and chipping greens when I can’t play a round.
yep, spot on
@@thomba02 you sound like my buddy, lotta talent, what are you shooting now? 75-80? I'm 30 now, haven't golfed in 15 years, had some lessons as a kid. been to the range for 2 hours 6 days a week for the past month, my first round was 2 weeks in and I shot 102 scoring it legit with 10 lost balls. I'm probably a funny 30 handicapper (if 1 round counts as a handicap) because I strike the ball pretty well, even with my blades, just inconsistent. Hoping to drop to the mid 80's pretty quick and then focus on my short game. Hoping for 5 years to scratch, which is a pretty lofty goal, but I have a flexibe schedule so Ill probably get a membership and golf every day. It's super motivating how people with broken swings who couldnt hit a ball straight to save their lives are low handicappers lol
The only thing missing from my perspective were the tops and fat shots. So I'm a 25 handicap and suffer from the occasional thin/top/fat one. Those mistakes can costs several shots on a round 😢😥 great video guys!
These latest series of videos have been bloody fantastic. From wet spinning wedges to fixing shanks or hitting fairways.
I am the youngest, at 52, in my regular group with the eldest being 73 and as much as I might hit a driver past them they are so consistent. Like you say play it down the middle and then chip and putt. They are still on a better handicap than me. My GA handicap is 18.3, local handicap is 20. If you’re going to belt the cover off the ball keep it straight or pay the penalty.
Looking forward to the next one. Thanks team.
"I'm gonna hit a low jizzer in here" had me choking on my dinner #StopItLocks
This series lately will be such a big thing for me in he future. Broke my leg (Tib and Fib) 9 weeks ago and no where near learning how to walk again after a rough surgery. So I will have to take golf up from the start again as my body is completely different not with new limitations. Love all your content Bruh. Kept me company over the past few months in recovery!
Exactly what you said guys, I play off 18 and keep it straight and in play, if I putt well I shoot mid to high 80s if I dont then I shoot low 90s
Similar story here except it's down the other end of the hole. If I get my tee shots away I can score, if I spray 'em I'm fighting to stay under 95.
21.4 handicapper. Playing from the White’s is a definite bogey game +. I attribute 4 to 6 strokes to lack of focus the rest is just lack of distance. Side note: heard Mark talking about the ten finger grip. Tried it and enjoyed immediate success. It allows me to release the club through impact which lets the club face square. Very excited to get my first round in using ten finger grip. More to follow.
When the beer cart came around the par 5 tee you should have grabbed a couple to enhance the bogey golfer experience.
Great video Mark.. I’m breaking 90 quite regularly now playing off 16 but still have bad days.. yes it’s the GIR that’s stopping me now breaking 80.. 82 being my best..
To break 90 I gave my self 5 shots in each hole and tried to go round in under par until I hit that beautiful 89 one day.. I still use this even now if I want a good score in a comp.. no risky shots, driver usually stays in the bag as well.. thanks again for the video. Keep up the good work 👍👍
Love this Mark, one of the best videos you’ve done
Really good video. I am 18hcp at the moment and the main focus for me for every hole is to make sure I get something in play off the tee. If I do that then chances are good because I have more options on how to get to the green, Go for it, Lay up, look for the best bail, run it in , fly it in etc. I always consider my second shot as my "free shot". Where guys like us maybe stumble is the likes of that lovely bunker shot Coach hit. There is no way an 18hcp would be capable of that and that's when we rack up the scores. We can be consistent for 14-15 holes playing to hcp or lower, but there is always 3-4 holes where its going to be 3/4 shots over par.
Such a great Vlog. So many things resonated with me. Golf is definitely hard but it's fun trying to get better.
I know you have had some fantastic content over the past 10+ years, but this was really intriguing to me. I think it was because you were concentrating and had fun. Great video.
This is a great and very accurate video. This shows exactly what it's like to be a high hdcp. Long 3 putts. Inaccurate off of the tee. The only issue I have with this video is that you and coach can strike the ball very well ie ball turf vs the duff.
Qdog
That was amazing you just played my average round. My drives 190 to 220 I have removed all long long clubs replaced them with Hybrids and Fairway woods. My target is to improve my short game and putting, Marks 3 put is my down fall never close enough. Great Video
I'm a little higher in summer in a little lower in winter, I mean speeds. Broke 90 in september after playing a lot during august holidays. Solution was to play narrow/though courses to train the ability to minimize mistakes and train recoveries. But also handle though situations better, on the mental side. Then I scored well on my course that felt a lot easier.
As for the video, it's great that you get in our situations/lies/descent angle problems. But even with a harder course and clubs not suited to the swingspeeds, you both still have a higher skillset and finesse to your shots than the bogey Jim/Bob. Very clear with that bunker shot and rough shots. Still, I'm grateful you spend some of your time doing it for us when you probably want to play that course to your maximum ability. I'm eagerly waiting for the next break 90 video 👍
that was very interesting. I've been playing for 3-4 months. All those distances are around what I can hit. Great to hear the comments and stuff. keep it up.
Welcome to our world Mark and coach! I play off 15 and to those exact numbers. It's the 3S's we're looking for - speed, strike, short game. A little better on each and that means mid 80's instead of high 80's low 90's.
That was really good and great to see coaches really putting themselves in their students shoes to properly understand the issues they face.
Mr. Crossfield- I saw this video a year after its filming, and was very impressed to see (as others commented) how much your rules made your games similar to mine! Except that I have more mis-hits. Unfortunately, the big lesson from this work is that if an average golfer wants to score better he must gain the ability to hit the ball quite long. I don't think that age and treachery alone are going to do it for me.
Ah. Finally you are playing my game. I dont hit it very far but I do hit it straight. I average 86. I have shot 80 even 2 times and missed 3 birdie putts within 3 feet because I was so nervous. I play 9 holes most of the time. I shot a 37 once and a 38 once. I made a lot of putts those days. Fun video!!
Interesting to hear Lockey’s observation that it’s easier with the lower clubs. I 100% agree. I’m awful off the tee with both distance and direction, tolerable on the approach shot (often short), but feel like a champ with a wedge in my hand. Loft is your friend
very interesting video, looking forward to you revealing the big secret at the end 😊. Broke 100 pretty quickly, soon as I thought 90 would follow went to pot. You need to remember mid to high handicappers don't have the consistency you do so throw in a few thins/top/fats. As you said cut out the mistakes but so hard to do
Great vid Mark and coach i watched this first when it was posted in Oct , and as a high handicapper ( 21 ) i put some ides from this into my game , i have shot 89, 87, 90 , 92 and 86 my last 5 rounds since . Hmmmmm its all about thinking your way around . All too often i lose it after trying to go for outright distance and wanging it . handicap down to teens now . Many thanks keep em coming
EXCELLENT experiment! I really appreciate your approach to accuracy by using the "correct" clubs for the shots required. Thanks for all of the awesome content!
Fabulous as always. I’m a 18 handicap, and find this so interesting. I play off the yellow tees, at my course there is a couple of 200 yard par 3’s and a couple of 460 yard par 4’s all the greens are heavily bunkered so you can’t roll the ball on. Be interesting to see how you guys would play those holes. Can’t wait for part 2&3. Cheers brah
Enjoyed that it is bloody hard broken 90 twice but always have a score around 94-97 struggling at the minute with hitting straight left shots stressful lol keep up the good show lads
Seems like the biggest message here is to get people to play the tees appropriate for their distances. This and the left-handed series are my favorites so far (long-time subscriber).
Love this. I do swing it this speed, and game golf has me off of 4.5 lately. The key, for me, is that I can hit my irons through specific little hoops in the air. It’s a tough way to get it done, for sure.
3 putting...bane of my golfing life. Glad Mark demonstrated it straight away!
Interesting. The harder golf is for you the harder golf is. Thanks D-Loft. 😡😋
Matts statement mid-way through "It puts your putting under a lot of pressure."
Quote re-playing to your handicap is illuminating.
All in, it adds to my focus on practice at the moment. Working predominantly on strike and swing speed (ie "The Lucas move") to put me further down the fairway while at the same time avoiding penalties. This will give me shorter clubs into the green and therefore help me make it easier to hit in the mid 80's etc.
Ps. My home course of Maroochyriver in Sunshine Coast Qld has greens as fast as the Stadium course at Catalunya.
Definitely an interesting video. It highlights the issues that occur when swing speed is too low and it’s definitely much more challenging to break 90 with the lower distance off the tee. However I play with plenty of guys who struggle to break 90 and hit it well off the tee and the bigger challenge they have is the “Ive got to hit a soft draw with the ball below my feet out of the rough...oh great shot Jim” kind of shots. Even if they are 40 yards further on it’s the recoveries and the shots that then rack up as a result that are the biggest challenges.
To add to this, those guys that are hitting well off the tee and struggling to break 90 certainly have a better chance to break 90 with their extra speed (I think the shots gained explains somewhere that you are better going long and wild), so the challenge of this video holds true. However when I see the guys hitting well off the tee and struggling to hit 90 it usually seems down to decision making. One of the comments Mark made earlier in the year about how he wished Coach would play under the hole is definitely one you see from those that struggle. They just then don’t have the skills to recover from the tough spots like lockey does when they airmail the green from 100yds with a wedge.
Great video for this time of the season. Gives lots of items to work on over the winter.
Brilliant fun and very interesting guys.....i am a lapsed 12 handicapper last played a competition 3 to 4 years ago but due to work getting in the way not had a chance but had a golfing holiday with my son in Scotland recently and played to about 16, over the 3 courses the thing I noticed was losing some touch on the short game...my driving and putting has always been pretty good.
This is so true. I play off 8 but only hit driver average 222 (game golf). Usually in the middle of the fairways. Strokes gained against scratch shows I'm as good a putter and chipper but lose 3 off the tees. I score well if the hybrids are working. Need to find some more speed.
Great video, It makes you appreciate how good the old fellas who swing it at 75mph and play off 12 are
Thoroughly enjoyed this video. Please keep doing these type of videos of breaking certain scores! Thanks!
Love the 18 hc bunker shot from Matt!!! I'm a 13 hc and wish my bunkers shots were that good!
Only 6 mins in but already one of your best in ages boys!!
Great content as always guys. I’ve been playing for just over 2 years and been hanging around mid to low 90s for about a year. This summer I’ve averaged 1.9 putts per hole. I find my tee shots dictate my score. With a driver club head speed over 100, distance isn’t an issue. It’s about finding fairways and getting my approach up and around the green.
Just found this video and it is a bit of an eye opener about what you should expect as a 15-20 HCap.
This was great comedy... the kind I see often in my game, but comedy none the less!!! LOL It's interesting to see how you guys are discussing the importance of distance so much more when you're talking about breaking 90. It's so true!!! To have distance is such a game changer with the way courses are set up...especially if you're trying to get into a position to stop your ball on the green!!!
Great stuff bruhs!!! You guys are golf heroes doing studies like these!!!
That was fantastic. Fun and educational too. Yes more please.
Another class video guys. Why I love this channel. Always challenging the status quo and experimenting. Keep it up, there’s a lot to be learned. You’re making us all better as well as yourselves better coaches. Cheers!
This is sincerely what I feel like playing a round. You're playing my distances, my ball speed, etc. The game can be frustrating! But I've learned to enjoy it and play stress-free shots.
Great video, breaking 80 is my big target for next year, any hints and tips greatly appreciated...work in progress!
I'd love to see more of this type content. Almost broke 90 last week, just having fun. Few less mistakes and would have done it.
I'd love a series on breaking 80, or even 85.
Thru illness and age I have lost so much yardage that on my home course I'm not reaching long par 4's in two. Used to play off 4 and am now off 8. The only thing I can do is improve my short game obviously but I'll never get down to 4 again and that does my head in. It puts so much pressure on chipping and putting, bunker play and course management. I still have to play off the tips because I'm still category one , even though I'm 64 and struggling. Golf is no longer a journey upwards, just a miserable descent, so enjoy while you can guys
Great video. Im playing off 16 and have done for a few yrs now. Agree with everything you said. I do think at my level some days the swing just clicks and you play well, most days it's a battle though! 👍
Really interesting video. I’d love to see you compare your ‘break 90 swing’ v your normal swing and what you are doing differently to achieve those speeds and also what you might have to adjust to still get decent strike
good fun video what i'll take out from this video is my short game has to improve to have better scores but winter conditions wet everywhere and course sometimes closed will hamper scoring so i'm thinking treat rounds as practice
I play off 12 but have only played 32 rounds in the last 2 years since starting again (I played for 11 months about 12 years ago) My biggest thing is pain... If I didnt hurt all the time I would play much better. I usually start out pars and birdies but after a while my back and joints hurt so bad I start hitting poor shots.
After watching this video I had to go to the range and see what my swing speeds were for all my clubs, I am 1 to 2 mph above tour average for men. Not bad for a 54 year old fat man with 12 bulging disks in my back, pain in every joint, severe fibromyalgia and had 2 surgeries on both legs to rip veins out... : )
I sure would love to play a round with you guys, Dan or Rory... I would even take pain meds to see how I could do to keep up with you guys
I broke 100 once last season. Got close this season with a 103. So keep the break 100 and break 90 series coming yes please.
Great content. I’m now off an Index of 14.2 and find I hit sufficient pars or better to be knocking on 80 regularly. Unfortunately I still plagued by too many double bogies. My best rounds are when I recover/scramble better off my 4 bad tee shots per round.
love this .. great video Guys ...
Just started breaking 90 on the reg, barely. Still USGA cap at 16.7. Seems that when I find a weak spot in a round, I practice on it and the next round something else is weaker so I practice that. Feels a bit like a hamster on the wheel. Totally agree with the putting. When I’m in the zone putting, those are my lowest rounds. Great vid!
This is a great video and looking forward to seeing more in the series. First two tee shots could have been me at the same tee on different days. Club yardages... swing speeds... course management decisions are all so familiar. More of Bob and Jim/Jeff please!!!
I am not worried about score, just trying to get my swing changes to "stick" and NOT shoot 51/39. I think you shared the camera already, but GREAT video quality. Just love these discussion vids....oh, btw. GET UP, DAN!!!
Fantastic Video. Wish I had more time to play and practice!
13:28 is my favorite part! This game is forcing you guys to deal with a lot of confusion and stress. #mindgames #authentic
very great video chaps 'this is real world golf and shows how hard it is for high hcp's and to score well and lower the round score and lower there hdc .
Definitely a break 80 and 70 video as a 8 HC I need to break 80 to hit buffer so it would be a huge help
This video was a good idea, very well executed. More like this please...
A very interesting ‘experiment’, great to watch,and to listen to your thoughts as you went along.👍🏌🏻♂️🏌🏻♂️⛳️
Really enjoyable. Would love a break 80/70 series as well. Thanks for the vlogs.
Great fun to watch. Would love to see another left handed one.. seeing dan getting annoyed is hilarious, love the bloke tho
That 2nd hole 😍 and a lovely bunker shot from the badger master
Excellent experiment. Made me realize how I broke 90 and why am I not consistently breaking 90 from 6400 yard. And all those 3 putts I made are not as unforgivable as I thought.
Love the video....but it is eye opening. I’m in the lower 80’s consistently and its good to remember why...Short game. I’m not a long hitter and that puts pressure on the rest of my game. Great insight Lads!
Your average 18 handicapper (i.e. me) is probably going to be struggling with playing shots off uneven lies and out of rough. Fun video to watch and also useful.
If you're breaking 80 then you're single figures hcap. if you check the stats they have a faster swing speed. Really interesting watching this and almost made me feel good that I swing driver below 90 mph and play off 13/14 . I'd also decided this winter that I'm going to work on more distance and strike and this video has just made me want to double my efforts doing that.
Amazing video! Welcome to the other half!
18 handicap!!! 50 yard bunker shot and 250 yards off the tee!!! Yeah right.. I’d be shaking hands. Well played bruh.!! Great vid guys and very nice course xx
Coolest vlog yet as I play off 18 ....my goal and I’m trying is to hit it further with all clubs to give myself that height coming into the greens and my putting is now down to two putts .... I agree I only play to my handy cap 1-7 times... but that will change ..I know use a 9 wood hitting 165..and a 7 wood 175/180..
So so true..2 words - Great Video
I did like the vlog
The Matt tee shots are believable for an 18 handicap but a small percentage of 18 handicaps would be as straight as Mark off the tee. Also shots into the green from more than 150/160 for 18 handicap are more likely to miss the green.
Mark's 3 putting was totally believable :)
Enjoyed this! You think this was hard, try playing to 11 and having 5 duffs, 2 o/b and three 3 putts a round! My Sunday mornings are a nightmares some weeks 😂😂😂😂
Really pleased you mentioned the link to the left handed video as I was thinking the same as coaches of a standard such as the muppet need to understand not everyone can pick up the skill sets as easily
All I can say is welcome to my world boys🙀🏌 super awesome video.
Cheers from NorCal
Very nice video! Useful and truly thoughtful! Well done!!!
Believe it or not, some of us who watch you faithfully are very much interested in proper analysis for breaking 70! Pretty please?
Great fun. (Especially if you don't have to play that way tomorrow 😉)
Really like these average Joe golfer vids. A great insight for us AND you.
Mark, this is my game...what a great video to help a 20ish handicapper!
Great vid again brah. For me, I break 90 easily, and get to low 80s when I'm in play properly off the tee. Hit it straight and it's fairly straightforward, but once I start spraying it (and it usually doesn't matter which club I hit off the tee 😭) then breaking 90 is tough
That was really interesting! I’ve just turned 60 and noticed a slight loss in distance, I used to be scratch up to mid 20’s and while that would be a big ask, I think I could get a single figure hcp & maintain it for a while as a “last hurrah”!
Thumbs Up! Bob & Jim! The new "golfing vloggers"!
This is a great video
It shows the struggle of a weekend warrior
I'm working on gaining speed this winter and other swing ideas trying to gain some yards and consistency. Play off 13 but only hit around 16% GIR plotting it around. If I'm going to break 80 and ever get to single figures I think I need to be more aggressive and attack alittle more get my speed up learn to swing it fester (under control) that sort of thing stop plotting/patting around lol. Great content would like to see you do this at Torquay with some clubs suitable for the swing speed would be a good watch ⛳🏌️♂️👌
Great vid, so informative. Now to watch the increase club head speed vid. then ill be ready.
This is soooo interesting to watch! You're hitting my shots with my clubs!