DON'T BUY THIS CAR - 2012-2014 Honda CRV
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Well I hate to have to make a video like this, but in the interest of looking out for those of you shopping the used car market and thinking that all Honda's are reliable, good vehicles, I had to warn you! The 4th generation Honda CR-V and 08-12 Honda Accord with the same 2.4 engine suffers from a pretty common fault. The VCT actuator starts to go bad and a loud grind or metal on metal sound emits from the engine on cold starts, usually first thing in the morning. This problem usually starts only on very cold mornings when the vehicle has not run for a while and all the oil has run down out of the top of the motor and then gets worse and worse until it is doing it all the time. In my case, I paid a Honda dealer almost $1,000 dollars to replace the VTC actuator just to have the problem come back a month and 2,000 miles later. Unfortunately this is a common scenario and although Honda has released 2 different service bulletins to dealers concerning the issue, instructing them to replace the actuator with a revised part, it usually fails also. If you want to buy a great CR-V, try to find a lower mileage 2005-2006 CRV. They are the best • 2005 - 2006 Honda CRV ...
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I have to disagree with you. I have a 2012 CRV. Yes I had a bad VTC actuator as well but I replaced it myself (not that difficult) for under $200 using Honda parts. Been over a year and the startup noise is still gone. Saying the entire car is bad for a $200 fix (if you do it yourself) is crazy. 160k miles I have had no other issues with my 2012 CRV, I’m the original owner as well.
How long did it take you to do it yourself?
@@spritemoney less than a day. I worked slow. Also, I didn’t take the camshafts off. There is one or two RUclips videos showing the process without removing the cams. This method is better.
This is very much a “throw the baby out with bath water” approach in the video. People have got used to ultra reliable vehicles and complaining about problems with 10 year old cars with 100K+ miles on them. Any one old enough to remember cars from the 80s, they would literally disintegrate before 10 years of driving.
@@wcg66 Cars started to be reliable due to implementation of OBD in cars starting 95-96. It made manufactures make robust engines due to emission systems, fuel injection, etc. best of all it made it easy for your regular joe to repair their own cars.
He nailed it with this video. Honda has gone downhill. Some have problems maybe others don’t staying away from Honda
The 2014 CR-V 1.6 i-DTEC Diesel (built in UK) was the best car I ever had. Solid, economical, reliable, brilliantly engineered. I put 232,000 km on it without any issues other than wear and tear. This car turned me into a HONDA fanboy (now in a European HR-V Hybrid). I have owned many cars from Toyota, Mitsubishi, BMW, Mercedes, Ford, Opel, Citroen, Peugeot, Buick... Nothing comes close to the quality of a HONDA, that is my experience.
No honda diesels in north america
totally different engine! do you actually hear what he has to say ?
Brilliant. I have a 2017 Civic with this engine (tweaked slightly differently I imagine) and fully intend to get a 2014 or so CRV. Really looking forward to getting it.
Agree!
I have exactly this car, 1.6 idtec 160 biturbo.
I have 371000km currently.
I found this video because I need to change my cooling radiator, not a big problem.
I just pass by here and say this car is reliable.
Only one problem I had was P049b defect, Honda dealer said DPF was out of order, but it was false. This code comes because soot blocks the EGR B filter mounted just after the DPF. It has to be replaced and the soot comes not because of the DPF but because of defective injectors. Many cars with EGR B (permits not to use this bad ADBlue) have the same issue. Test your injectors.
CRV is a very reliable and comfortable car.
I have a 2014 Crv Ex with the VTC actuator defect as well. I had it replaced at Honda, but it came back. I stopped caring about it. 185,000 miles later it still runs great. I regularly drive it 500 miles to school from my parents house. It starts every time, and none of my passengers comment on it.
Change oil every 6 months and yiu get another 200K out of it.
Same. Sent to service. Came back with the same rattle
As of January 2022, "A Honda VTC actuator class action lawsuit has been certified in two states (California and Illinois) after owners complained their vehicles rattled a few seconds on cold starts." "According to the plaintiffs, Honda injured them by failing to tell them about defective variable valve timing control (VTC) actuator 14310-R44-A01 in these models."
Where can we get more info on this? I’m in California and this is an issue I’m having
I just paid Honda $1900.00
. getting this done. VTC Actuator.🥴🥴
C’monnn Virginia!!!!
Cmonn ohio
any info on getting in on the ILL. suit? what is the warranty on the VTC any way?
I have the '14 CRV and it's been one of the best cars I've ever owned. Honestly, I mean if someone had one like mine and it ran the exact same way they'd be crazy to complain about it. Mine has 325,684 mi and going strong. It's made "The Noise" a little bit before 200k mi. I'd be happy with it for a daily driver car to beat up on.
How many miles did it have when you bought it?
I own a 14 CRV I don’t have any complaints about it. I’m happy with my car. 👍🏻
Wow, our ‘14 CRV has just over 80k on it, and is an excellent vehicle indeed!
I agree with you. 😊
I have a 2015 CRV and over 140k on it alls I've had to do is replace the starter so far.
Just upgraded to a 2014 crv ex from my 2004 crv which has been great up to 175k miles with no issues. The 2014 doesn't have the vct rattle... yet... but so far I really like it. I'm a mechanic and have seen a few stretched chains/ vct actuator problems on these gen 4s but still didn't deter me from buying one. Mine has 67k on it now so hopefully I have some time before I see this issue. Great informative video btw
Just go with a original Honda chain once it streches I replaced mine at 195,000 with an aftermarket and it broke it now at 216,000 I redid it with an original Honda everything
I had mine fail at 80K miles. I'm at 150K miles and get a slight rattle at startup now. Two points might interest you as a mechanic. First, I asked the head mechanic at the dealer about the possibility of any good will warranty? He told me that Honda won't tell you this, but they stopped offering any help with repairs as the repair is fairly complex, and you need to take your time and follow the procedure EXACTLY as you will have a repeated failure, if you just slam the new parts in. He claimed Honda grew tired of paying for the same good will repair repeatedly, since their techs would not do the work correctly. Second, I had all of my repairs done by a really talented independent tech. who took his time and did it right. I have 70K and three years since the repair, and it looks another chain and actuator will be required in the next year or two. I agree with the conclusions of Jack of all trades, there is a design flaw here that can't be corrected with any revised part swaps, or better maintenance.
I don’t know if this helps but… I bought a 2012 in September and this has happened to me on cold starts. Researched it and seen everything everyone else has. What has been working for me is “half starting” the car (for lack of a better term). Basically, turning the key like I’m starting the car without letting the car turn over and completely starting. I’ll do this 2-4 times (depending how cold it is) and then fully start the vehicle and no rattle whatsoever when I do this. My theory (which may not be valid because I’m no mechanic just a general interest in cars) is this will at least initiate the oil pump and getting some oil to the actuator. Again, not sure if that’s a real world solution but it has worked for me every morning cold start for the past two weeks. The wether here in the mornings are usually high teens and low to mid twenties for the past couple weeks and no issue. Before I did this it would happen every single morning like clockwork. Any feedback would be awesome!! Good luck everyone
My granddaughter's 2014 consumes oil and has the VTC rattle at start up with 162,000 miles. I had Hondas most of my life. I'm 76. Now I'm done with them and driving a Toyota.
@@kerrykerry5778 so do you suggest not buying one of these? I'm looking at buying a used 2014 CRV-EX right now with 101K but now reconsidering....
Wow... i had to argue my dealership for days to get them to even acknowledge the issue then finally fix it under warranty. Thank you for making this video!!
what year was your CRV and when did you get it fixed for free. Mine in 2014. I had this problem all along from the first year onwards. wondering if they would fix mine now. Any info will be appreciated. Thanks!
@@cookmaster3626 did you get any info on this? I have the same problem.
The rattle occurs because the locking pin is not held in place due to weak spring tension on startup. Noise can be fixed by replacing the spring only if your issue is truly the VTC. I believe that the rattle returns even when the part is replaced due to the spring tension getting weaker. YMMV.
That's what I read also. The noise comes back.
Any way we can add a stiffer spring?
How far does one have to dig into the engine to fix this spring?
@@daveengstrom9250 Not very far, valve cover comes off, 5 torx bolts on the cover of the VTC actuator and thats all - the spring can be removed and replaced. Hardest part is removing those torx bolts.
Our CR-V has had this noise since we bought it used. I never thought much of it since I originally thought that t was the direct injection system or similar. We’ve had the vehicle since 2018 with absolutely no issues other than noise on startup. I’m not dismissing the issue but the vehicle has been excellent in the four years we’ve had it. Even in your case, the only symptom you have is noise. It’s hardly left you stranded.
Does your crv have the serpentine belt and not the drive chain. I had a dry pulley. that may be your noise. A dry pulley shouldn't have happened either. I would report it to Honda America at their 900 number. I had low miles. 75,500 and just had 3 parts replaced. now it is quiet under the hood. Please share your experience.
2012 crv....had the actuator replaced late fall 2021 at Saratoga Honda ...my cost of course....driven around 3k miles and it just started doing it again mid March 2022...erh! Thanks for the video and glad to know it is not just my hunk of junk that has the problem
I have also a 2012, replaced the VTC Actuator like 60k miles ago, still working fine.
At 45000 miles, our driver's side heater on our 2013 CRV stopped putting out heat while driving to Minnesota in February several years ago. Our son was able to get us in to a Honda dealer when we arrived that evening in St. Paul. The tech writer told us that there was a service bulletin on this. Evidently slag from the heater core casting process causes this. We had to rent a car from the Honda dealer so we could attend our grandson's music performance that evening. The next morning, we picked up our Honda after a $800 "flush"..I agree, Honda is no more the reliable manufacturer. We still have it, but only drive as a back up to our Mazda CX5..Honda lost a previous loyal customer after owning 11 Hondas...no more.
i have a 2012 crv with 140k miles and never getting mechanical problems it seems good to me
Yes, the VTC actuator on my 2012 was changed at like 80K miles, the noise is coming back around 105K miles now so it does not fix the issue. Nothing wrong with the engine once it warms up but definitely annoying in the morning from a cold start. The AC compressor broke on as well, a common issue too on these engines. Other than that, been running fine still would have a Honda over any American product in my opinion.
yeah my 2013 does this and when we went go get it fixed they said there was no point bc it would come back which it did but i have had my car for years and it’s been doing that for years and my car still runs and everything perfectly fine
I know that our generation of crv’s suffer from tranny shuddering, which I bought my 2013 used with 40k miles and I currently have 64k rn after a year and some change, I get shuddering once in a while but I know it is a common thing
@@explorer2945 change the trans oil every 30,000. Somethings shedding grit upline of trans. Watch some more videos. You'll find the video.
@@explorer2945 Get a transmission fluid flush every 30-40 K miles and it will run good for a year or two, then you have to repeat. it is cheaper than a new torque converter by thousands of. dollars. I've done this many times. It works. make sure your mechanic uses Honda Trans fluid.
@@Susan70003 I do the trans. service on my 2014 CRV every 15K miles. It cost about $30 for three quarts of Honda Oem Fluid, and it's a job that is faster and easier than changing the oil. I had a 2013 and now a 2014 with a total of close to 400K miles on them. The transmissions have been trouble free. I have had a collection of vehicles in the last 20-25 years that I have obsessively over-maintained, with everything from brake fluid flushes, to exceeding the "severe duty" maintenance schedule in every aspect. I have found that it really makes them last a hell of a lot longer, and with a lot fewer repairs.
Yes, indeed. The dealer told me this is a common fault of these year models. My 2014 started this hideous sound, when it gets extremely cold ( it certainly can in Iowa). It was still under warranty, thus I pleaded the case with the dealer, and they generously replaced it. So Far, with 50k , and three years it has not returned. Good luck with yours. And I will be definitely switching to either Subaru or Toyota next car time.
Be careful with Subaru to if it has a timing chain. Pieces are breaking off getting into engine. I found a mint condition used Subaru Forester, new drive belt, 4 brand new tires, ect. I really wanted this vehicle. 2012 model ,1 owner, dilagent on upkeep. Only had 114,000 miles but, at 100,000 miles the timing belt was due to be changed. And they would not allow me to take to my mechanic for a quick check.
I got ripped off on my last last vehicle that needed $3,400 in repairs. This time being 72 and very cautious I just requested my mechanic to check. They said no. So I walked away. I'm so disappointed.
Trying to buy a car now that doesn't have major issues is difficult and the prices for used cars are ridiculous, even with 150,000 miles.
I research and very few models that aren't having problems. Be careful. Still looking.🙄
I’d go with Kia/Hyundai these days. Best bang for the buck and good quality.
@@gfriedman99 You might be very right. I don't like the tiny engines they are currently making, nor the cylinder deactivation in the 6.
Some Toyotas also have the same problem.
Ribbet. Bunch of whining ... sounds to me.
I own since 2012 and have clocked 210,000km. No regrets. Vehicle is fantastic
What engine? This is specific to the 2.4
It's 2.4 litre engine
@@JackofAllMasterofNone It was only on certain vin numbers tho. I called Honda to make sure mine wasn't on it.
All they need to do is make a heavy duty plunger and spring inside that vtc actuarial gear with time it weakens the spring so the plunger inside that gear won’t hold the oil pressure
As you may know, the Honda CRV's are very popular among those that tow them behind motorhomes (as I do) and they rarely ever have a problem when doing so. Our's is the 2014 EX fwd, and the odd time it will make the actuator sound, but I've just gotten use to it doing so now and again. Other than the noise, in the six years we've had it, I've changed out the battery (still has the stock Michelin tires) as it's now at just over 80K miles. My wife loves driving it, and it's not bad on fuel and a great little car for running around town, or out on the interstate I've found. I may try going to a little higher viscosity of oil, to see if it makes a difference, but if not will drop down to where it's suppose to be. I do all oil changes at 5K and haven't had to touch a thing since getting it, so I sure can't complain.
Tires should be replaced @ 7 years old regardless of miliage or tread depth.
So, did you change oil viscosities? I had always understood that it's quite risky to do so with a Honda. From the way "Jack" describes the problem, it's not an oil issue, as the reason the noise quits after a second or two is because it takes that long for the oil pressure to rise enough to get everything working correctly. The flow of oil stops the rattle/squeal. I would think that a higher viscosity would make that problem worse, not better. ???
2012-2014 CRV also has serious issues with ac compressors and transmissions. The torque converters fail prematurely and there is a recall this year 2022 for the park -interlock on CRv and other Honda vehicles
‘13. I was so thankful to come across your video. Went through the exact same process. The timing set up and VVT had to be replaced. Within 2000 miles the sound came back, but luckily the parts were still under warranty, and I took it in, they honored the warranty and replaced everything, but then said they would not honor that warranty, moving forward since they have done it twice. A year and a half later it’s back again So very frustrating since I bought a Honda needing it to run and run well for a very long time. And now I just live with the noise and pray it does not cause permanent damage to my engine since I cannot afford to keep replacing this over and over.
I found that when below 45 degrees if I bump the starter a couple of times before starting there’s no rattle. Maybe the oil pump gets enough oil to the actuator to function correctly.
That's exactly what I do. Might get one or two rattles though the winter.
What does it meant to bump the starter?
@@husain6431 let the motor turn over with out starting. It don't take very long maybe a second or 2. After that crank and start like normal.
@@patrickthompson8913 and how does one "let the motor turn over without starting?" Is this something you can do from the driver's seat? Just turn the ignition on without starting it?
@@d.r.q.2032 it normally take a few seconds of the motor cranking to get it to start. I turn the key and maybe a second or 2 turn it back before it starts. Then just crank to start like normal. It is more wear and tear on the starter and somewhat the battery but it does keep it from rattling.
Had a 2010 crv, not the worst but certainly not the best. Loads of recalls. Got rid of it after 6 years. Not happy with performance I agree with your video 100%. Who knows what Honda will do in the future. We’ll see
I have a 2010 civ and the rattle just started. came across this video looking into it. I started adding 20% Lucas to the oil and no more rattle. Suggested by my 80 year old mechanic.
That just thickens the oil. Won't fix it. You are just masking the issue but if it buys you some time that's great
Our 2014 does it. We just bought it and it has 85k on it. It's super annoying. That said, after researching the issue, I'm not convinced it's damaging the timing components. I know someone with the identical car as ours with 180k on it and it rattles and she said it always has. She ignores it and just keeps up on maintenance and checks her oil.
I look at it like this. How many of these engines has Honda sold? How often do you hear about them blowing up? Lot's of complaints about the rattle yes but how often do we hear of total failure? I don't know. We bought an extended warranty on ours when we bought it so if it does crap out it's covered anyway. I do agree though, Honda should step up and own this.
Total failure is unlikely but more common is that the timing chain starts to stretch from the extra tension that this causes and eventually it stretches out of tolerance and you start having timing problems, check engine light, etc. Then a full timing chain, guides, tensioner and VCT is required to the tune of almost $2,000. It's an engineering flaw that they refuse to own.
@@TheUpholsteryLibrary how many miles did your car have during these instances?
Been using CRV 2013, 1st owner, no issues at all. It's a little underpowered if compared to my other cars, but it's not a big issue.
Me too I have a twenty thirteen and I have no problems with the theater
@@jimparsons61 What gas mileage are you getting on yours? I have the same car. What engine air filter do you put in?
yes My daughters 2018 crv has more get up and go. What is your gas mileage? I don't get very much air out of my driver's side dash heater air vent. I guess I have to look at that.
I had the same noise from my 2012 CR-V. I replaced VTC myself at 121K but went to Rock Auto for a non-OEM (I was told the OEM replacement would have the same problem in time). I have 165K on it - quiet even in -20F temps. Good luck.
What brand did you use? This may be good information for others.
I purchased from RockAuto - but it's available at a better price on Amazon. The part is STANDARD MOTOR PRODUCTS VVT519. This is the video I watched to fix - make sure not to repeat mistake made in video: ruclips.net/video/hSpc41-Pj0c/видео.html
@@brucenicol1279 What was the mistake? Buying from Honda and using their part? Or do you mean locking it before torquing?
@@lupegalvan9993 locking it before torquing.
I’m a Honda dealer mechanic and I can tell you the best Crv is the 07-09 years. When they first came out they had bunch of recalls and service bulletins , but Honda fixed them all . After that they were bulletproof(no burning oil or timing gear issues 😅)I still own a 09 model and very happy with it.
What about the 2011?
That Mickey Mouse rear trailing arm recall fix is a bit scary though
Is it practical to buy an 08 CRV for daily. One In looking at is MINT. 1 owner, zero rust, services regular. 13K. I bought a 15 yr old Honda once and it was just an endless black hole for money. It was in terrible shape, bought for 4K and probably put 8K in bf it died 2 yrs later.
I can’t see value in cars 15 + yrs old
I'll agree to disagree. My 2012 CRV had this issue too. I bought it certified pre-owned with about 35k miles. It did develop the rattle after 40k miles, I don't remember the specific miles. Honda covered it under warranty and it hasn't showed up since, it now has 130K miles.
Very slick of Honda to issue a TSB and not a recall. If this issue can damage the engine long term, it should be a recall.
My CRV also developed a shudder/vibration around 45k miles that was felt throughout the whole vehicle. It happened when shifting between 2nd and 3rd gear and between 25-35 MPH. It ended up needing the torque converter to be replaced, also luckily under warranty.
If I had to pay for these repairs out of pocket I would have been royally pissed. I got lucky. Other than these issues and wear and tear items, I haven't had to replace or repair any other super expensive parts.
So yes, I feel that these are engineering issues that shouldn't happen to a Honda vehicle because of their reliability reputation. It could be worse, just look at Hyundai with their 2.4L theta engines, sheesh what s-show.
Thanks for the video!
i have a 2013 CRV that has that exact same issue with shifting gears! thank you for this comment lol now i know what it is!!
@@arrogantott my friend was able to fix this issue in his 2013 crv with a transmission fluid change, this is the cheapest option to go with first. He used Honda transmission fluid.
Had the same problem, changed the transmission fluid
Had the same issue with my 2014 CR-V. Changed it January, only heard it twice in last month and that was it. It's a problem that just won't go away. Just have to use a good brand tensioner and it will last a little longer but it will come back eventually.
Is it hard to replace what brand tensioner did you use?
I have a 2014, 61K miles, its been doing this for a good 20K+ miles now, Noise present even during summer temps. Dealer first denied noticing sound, I went back with research and the TSB, so they acknowledged. But advise was to leave it as is because even after replacing, the issue comes back, as is demonstrated in this video. People turn around and look like whats wrong with your car ? Thats embarrassing!
Yep
8:45 The old saying - Ford, fix or repair daily LOL. My CR-V had VTC replaced under warranty. I went to the dealer with a printed copy of the exact service bulletin, where I bought the car brand new (that might help a bit). The service guy was nice to let mine sit for several days and finally he was able to replicate the VTC noise in a cold morning. Then, VTC was replace under warranty. I have that VTC noise came back just once on a cold winter morning in the past couple years.
I own a 2014 CR-V with 164K miles on it. I've brought my vehicle into the dealer several times for this issue. Had the VTC actuator replaced a few years ago. It started happening again shortly after it was replaced. Took it back to the dealer several times, but it would never make the noise when they had it. One time when I took it in for another issue I was having that required me to ride with a mechanic to show him the problem, I asked him about the noise. He said he knew exactly what it was and that I could get it fixed, but it would only happen again in a little while because the part is defective. I decided to leave it be. Finally, in May of 2021, it got so bad that I had to have the timing chain and everything replaced. To make matters worse, due to parts production shortages and delivery delays caused by Covid, I had to wait about two months for the parts to come in. Parts and labor costs about $1800. Not even a year later, it's happening again!! Of course, it's just out of the 12K mile warranty on the work. I'm at the dealership right now and they say I have two very bad oil leaks. Mind you, I rarely go out much since the pandemic started and there's no oil spot under my carport. Maybe it's just because I own a 2014, but from all the comments I've read, this issue seems to be more prevalent in the 2014 model. I can't afford to shell out that much money again right now. This is my fourth Honda, but it just might be my LAST HONDA!
This is the comment I needed to read just to have some idea at what I’m facing as to cost and result, thanks
My '14 is in the shop now for timing chain/tensioner $1800. Also, my mechanic told me that these cars burn oil more than other models so I started adding oil in between changes. Fingers crossed that's all it needs for awhile. I do love this car!
Use 5-30 oil and just drive it . All the Toyotas do the same thing .
Thank you, Jack. I will pay attention for this noise on my ‘16 accord.
Bought a 2014 Honda CR-V EX-L 2.4 liter 2WD with over 188,000 miles for $9,000 back in November before Thanksgiving through a private party. Took in to the shop to have looked at so far no codes were found, recommended new spark plugs, found sweating under the transmission and one of the rear shocks is no good. Few days later my VTC actuator made the noise on cold start. A couple of weeks before Christmas my torque converter assembly broke and I ended up getting another one off a wrecked Honda CR-V and it had over 44,000 miles on it and it ended costing me $2,883, for a refurbished torque converter assembly it would have cost over $10,000
I think the noise you are hearing is because your engine has "variable valve timing", the rattle at the start of engine is the time it's taking for the oil to fill up the inside cavity of camshaft pulley with the teeth on the outside. Theoretically you could take that pulley and weld it in mid point position, your engine will not be VVT any more but the rattle will be gone, however the check engine light might come on, the computer might think there is something wrong. If you know how to replace the timing chain, you can do this job, it's worth a try, get a used camshaft from junkyard to weld.
You are incorrect. Honda has been doing VVT for a long time, and most of their engines don't do this. It's a problem with the VTC.
I have been using this 2013 model for the past 10 yrs no issues. Depends how you drive n maintain the car just my personal experience.
I've had this rattle on startup for years. It is now in the shop to have the stretched timing chain/tensioner replaced bc engine light + traction control light + power steering light all came on simultaneously. Was told it's very common. I'm at 145k miles. Otherwise my crv has been so amazingly reliable for me.
Except for this $2,000 dollar repair. You are right, it is very common.
Yup. I bought a 2014 CRV in 2019 - 5 years old. Was making that noise then and I thought it was something minor. Drove it for 3 years and finally had it diagnosed and had the VTC actuator replaced. Hopefully it won't need this done again - or at least not for another 7 to 8 years. Didn't know it was a problem with the model. Other than that $1400 repair, however, the car has been great.
Thank you 🙏🙏🙏 I’ve had this problem for a while now, and since I could never replicate it, I couldn’t explain it to dealers
I have similar issues with my 2008 accord. They fixed it once under warranty after multiple request, and the problem re-surface again soon after, just like you. But, this time, I was already outside warranty period. I decided to leave it as is but it appears over time the problem gets worse for me and the engine started burning oil. Like you, Honda never admit anything wrong with the engine, but I found out about the service bulletin too at the time. Not sure if I am going to fix it or just sell it at this point. I am weighing my option. I bought my car new back then. I am in the midwest area.
This video is a god send. My 2014 CRV just DIED out of the blue. This is definitely the cause of the problem, as I have heard this sound multiple times. The dealer wants to replace the entire engine and is also blaming it on low oil. Even though I regularly kept up on oil changes AT THE DEALER. This is obviously an engine flaw! ARGH.
Whatever you do, don't let the dealer replace the engine. It will cost more than the car is worth probably. Find any smaller, independant shop that can put a used, low mileage engine in, if that is what it really needs. Definitely get a second opinion.
Keeping up on oil changes and topping off the oil when the level is low are two different things bother need to be done. No or low oil could be worse than dirty oil depending on how low it gets.
Same here! Had my 2014 CRV fixed twice for this problem already. First time under warranty, 2nd time out of pocket for $2800.00! My rear hatch also doesn’t work in winter but I declined to have it fixed at same time because it would cost another $1.1K. Probably my last Honda.
I have a 2014 with the start up rattle. I tap the starter 3 times without starting it then start it on the 4th time and it doesn't rattle. I only need to do this during cooler weather as it doesn't rattle in warm weather. I use K&N oil filters and Castrol Edge 0w20 oil and change it myself every 3 thousand miles. It's the easiest vehicle to change oil on I've ever had.
This explains it - the sound, the oil guzzling, the dash icons/lights. They’ve been a consistent pain since I got this 2013, but it just rolled over 209,000 so looking back it’s been a pretty reliable vehicle. And the awd has been nice.
My 2008 EX-L 4WD has been an excellent SUV. I just had to replace the master window switch @ 188,000. I plan on keeping this as long as possible. I live in the rust belt, and the body rust is minimal...
my wife has a 2014 CR-V 2.2 litre diesel turbo - what a dream machine! the only problem in nearly 10 years was a blocked particulate filter
My 2013 CRV does EXACTLY as you describe and I've read on forums that many other CRV owners have this issue. The gringing/rattling metal on metal noise is very loud on the first cold start and for a few starts right after. This is very frustrating as Honda DOES NOT acknowledge this is a problem. The latch on the back hatch also sticks in cold weather so the hatch does NOT open making it useless for cargo. I have to climb into the back, take the plate off and use a screwdriver to force the mechanism up in order for the hatch to open from the inside! I used to buy Hondas all the time as they have been reliable and if it wasnt for these two issues I would keep my CRV but really considering selling if the actuator is just going to cause further issues needing major repairs for my timing chain, etc.
Another case of pole vaulting over mouse poop. Buy the CRV. You’ll love it. If you find a perfect car with no issues, let me know.
Have the same problem with my 2014 CR-V. That exact noise intermittently with high oil usage. So glad you made this video. Now I know the rest of the. story. BTW 80K miles on it.
That's low mileage to be having oil consumption issues.
@@JackofAllMasterofNone I know, it starts me thinking about getting another car before things really go down hill.
Thanks for the video! I was just about to purchase a used 2014 with this noise as thought it just needed a new starter. Passing on these CR-V's.
My 2012 has absolutely no issues… just make sure the oil is changed every 3k miles
My 2012 make that noise unfortunately.
Thank for the video, was about to buy a used 2014 with 116,000 miles for $12,000 and this changed my mind , I'll just get a trusty toyota Rav4
You can buy a genuine Honda VTC actuator for less than $200. Also buy a replacement Honda tensioner around $55. Some HondaBond $12. Honda valve cover gasket set $50. So a little over $300. Assuming the oil has been changed regularly, has no oil leaks, etc. That's what I would do if I really wanted the car and it was in good shape otherwise.
RAV 4's are good. Just make sure you check for the problems for each year first and know what to look for because they arent without issues. Mostly engine ring problems on the older ones.
I was just thinking about buying one of these thanks for the heads-up.
I have a friend who has a 2014 CRV with 112,000 miles and broke down on her. Dealership is saying engine is bad . Could this problem possibly have caused it? She's thinking about having a used engine installed but now that I seen this I don't know if she should. Sounds like same thing could happen all over again . Thanks for the video I hadn't seen this anywhere else.
Probably didn’t change the oil enough, if you wait for the idiot light it’s too late
I have a 2014 Honda CRV And no problem so far.
Thank you for this valuable inf. My 2014 crv Honda have that noise, they told me is natural sound of the engine. Now i know. Is hard to find a honest knowledgeable mechanic.
I remember back in the late 1970's Honda advertised "We make it simple". When I was station in Japan in the 1980's-2000's, a Japanese friend of mine that worked for Honda said "after the founder passed thing changed quickly, for the worse". Toyota CEO admitted a few years ago they had quality problems too. The Japanese car companies are going down the same path that American car companies did starting back the 1960's. "Just put it out there, they will buy it".
And of course the general public is stupid enough to buy it even when it’s junk…..”buy a Toyota they are bulletproof” until the engine seizes from burning the oil dry
Have a 2007 CRV with 290k miles, without any major issues. Bought a 2013 a few years back & having issues at just 140k miles. Not very happy with Honda right now … like a lot of the comments.
i own the 15' ex model. ... ok , oil changes, tires , and the biggy... pain at the pump ! hey ! the cvt gets you more mpg ! Honda's cvt in 2015 was the best, and still going strong..
Thanks for your video on this issue! Very well done.
Sidebar: What kind of sound microphone system did you use? I’d like to use the same thing because your sound comes though very clear and little background noise. Thanks! Tim
Just the built in microphone on the GoPro hero 7
Honda CRv are the best cars on the market. 100 % recommended.
As 2014 Honda CRV LX owner, I absolutely agree with the author of the video. Just avoid it. Get newer. I fixed mine under warranty at the dealer twice. I pick up the car and it is still rattling. Now over 80k miles I'm really not sure if I want to push my luck or just get rid of it while it's more or less sellable.
I bought two 2014 crv new. Both rattle one has 180000 still going strong
It's just the VTC Actuator, it only makes sounds after a cold start or during it. The sounds are common, on accord, and crv, and other models are the same. Replacing the VTC makes no difference. The annoying sounding VTC Actuator is the only thing annoying about it, just sound, no difference.
Maybe change it, every 20-40k miles but yeah waste of money pit. (Only if it keeps making sounds, just go on with it for those many miles.)
The Honda dealer changed the tyranny fluid and updated the computer. 208km. Runs like a dream. Change your fluids and they are Fantastic!!!
Thank you for this important information. Presented well in detailed
On the bright side: I found a RUclipsr who says one can proactively periodically replace the lock spring in the VVT actuator without removing the actuator or timing chain: ruclips.net/video/2ZDr1dH40Jw/видео.html I haven't tried it but it seems to be a promising concept and the video has good reviews. Otherwise, I have a 2012 CR-V. You really have to replace a rattling VVT actuator right away or your timing chain will *quickly* be elongated beyond normal limits. It's easy to underestimate how quickly a rattling VVT actuator can destroy a timing chain. I'm about to replace the timing chain for the second time because the new (updated part number!) VVT actuator was not replaced soon enough after the rattling returned. This time, I have the dreaded code P0341, and when the crank is at TDC the camshaft marks are three teeth off from each other! It was only a matter of time until piston slap would have occurred... which is exactly what happened to an acquaintance's 2012 CR-V when she ignored her cold start rattling issue. The timing cover is a real inconvenience to deal with when the engine is in the car, if you are doing the repair yourself. If you are paying for the repair, replacing the timing chain along with the actuator will greatly increase your repair bill. Another engineering flaw: The closure rate in the exhaust valves is too rapid and that also sends shockwaves into the timing chain, even when the engine is operating normally. (Sometimes the exhaust cam lobes wear out prematurely.) In other words, the timing chain is at risk even without the VVT actuator rattling issue. None of the racing grade aftermarket timing chain tensioners, which claim to alleviate the premature wear brought about by the exhaust cam lobe design issue, are compatible with K24Z engines.
What a pain!!! I was looking to buy a 2014 but now reconsidering :(
Had the death rattle on my 2012. Have always used synthetic name brand 0w-20. Replaced the VCT at about 150,000 miles. With the revised part. 1 month after the 6 month 6000 mile dealer service warranty it started again. My daughter now drives the car, and it has about 240,000 miles on it. Still has the death rattle on cold mornings. It uses about a qt of oil between oil changes.
Was thinking of buying this car. Thank you for the warning. Will think twice about it now,! Appreciate you putting this out there.
Jack
Love ur vids Man.......Good Job
Got a 16 CR-V ELX with the 2.4 Liter 173,000 Km = 107,497 mi
Made in Canada
No Issues
This last X-mas -44 C with the wind Chill
0-20 Synthetic
No grinding No problems at all
And no block heater on those cold days
But will keep an ear on the cold starts
Thanks For ALL the tips bro
My car has done this for years. I never knew what it was. Just the first time of the day just in cold weather.
I’m doing that job now on my 2013 bought it new now have 216,000 miles on it
I agree completely about how Honda has let down their loyal base of customers. When my VTC started to go I lost 25-30% gas mileage -- 20-21 MPG. I replaced everything but the VTC (plugs, serpentine belt, air filter, etc.) and all that had no effect. My Dealer charged me $2300 to replace mine. He said it didn't need the timing chain done because they tested that. This is the same amount another private repair place or another dealer would have charged me. After getting my new VTC my has mileage dwent up to 23-24 MPG. Before it all my mileage was 29-33 MPG. My VTC has rattled once since I replaced it. Because I needed a road car I bought a new 2023 CR-V LX. It is not the same car and I hate it. They have ruined the car with all the BS electronics and "safety" features and black-only interior. I've just about had it with Honda.
Thank you very much for this video. I am in the process of deciding between a CRV or Rav and my decision is now settled. Rav it is.
The RAV4 is a great vehicle.
Be careful what year RAV4 you buy too. Some of them have their problems including this very same problem with variable valve timing. But with the RAV you must fix it rather than choose to live with it because the Toyota parts us made with aluminum instead of stainless steel. Aluminum is a sitter metal.
I had the same VTC rattle, also had actuator replaced and noise started again. I was using Fram oil filters with Castrol Extended performance FS. I replaced with a K&N oil filter (same oil) and the problem seems to have gone away!
There has been some discussion that the anti drain back valve in the oil filter can help keep oil pressure and keep oil in the top of the engine, which may help keep it quiet. So there could be something to what you are experiencing.
@@JackofAllMasterofNone
i went through this on another vehicle. Horrific start up rattle, and eventually it became clear that the longer it sat unused, the worse the rattle was. I stopped using Fram's basic filter, switched to a Purolator that literally cost a few dimes more, and it never rattled again.
Never use anything but oem honda filters.
@Optimal Health I still get the rattle though it's far less frequent and typically when the temperature is below 40. Say, once every week or two, or less, if its cold enough. I've never used Honda oil filters, so can't speak for those. The K&N works well enough I'm not sure I'd try anything else. I also use full synthetic Castrol Edge Full Synthetic Extended Performance for reference. Best.
There is some sense to that. The K&N filter is supposed to have better flow rate so oil would get up there quicker.
This makes me wonder if 0W-16 oil would also make a difference but I doubt it.
There is a $35 repair kit from spring-start that replaces the weak spring. You can even fix it without messing with the timing chain if you are careful.
Yup, same problem with a 2014 4-cyl Accord. I'm taking it into service for replacement of the VTC actuator and possibly the timing chain tensioner next week. Only 43K miles on this car. Hopefully these repairs will last longer than on your CRV. I'm going back to Toyota for my next vehicle.☹
I like the content of your videos. My comment is about the vibration of the seat and headrest for 2015 -2016 CR V’s. It affects the seat and headrests. Honda issued a TSB 15-046 for the 2015 but not the 2016. My understanding is the owner would have to pay for the fix if not under warranty. It’s one of those things that affects some but not others and is not safety related. I would appreciate your comments. Thank you. I’m very sorry to hear of the problems with the VTC actuator you have been having. I don’t think Honda has stepped up to the plate to help you and that is unacceptable. Thanks again for letting us know about this issue. I don’t think Greg, the Car Angel mentioned it in his recent view of all generations.
I had a 2016 CRV and it had a slight vibration at idle in gear in certain circumstances, but was very minor and was not something that bothered me at all. The 2015 supposedly could be worse, but again from my experience it isn't anything horrible.
That is good to hear. Back in 2015 I took a new CR V out for a test drive and did not feel any vibrations. I have an older 2002 CR V which I want to upgrade. This talk about vibrations had put me off considering the 2016. Hearing your experience has helped as I like everyone else about the car except for the below standard detailing. The prices remain high and with talk of the settlement by the UAW they could go higher. Check out Weird Beards preparation for flipping a car. He’s extremely diligent for a flipper. Thanks
I’ll tell you that if you had a Ford Escape, Fusion or Focus from around the same time you’d be dealing with a lot worse then just the VTC actuator
Only the 2013 up Escapes. Junk. But 2012 and prior were very good vehicles.
My 2012 CRV EXL, the earliest production unit ever made in Japan has been an extremely reliable car. That VTC actuator problem only occurs when owners don’t take care of their cars.
Not true. It happens on almost all of them. It's a design flaw. Pure and simple. Neglect will magnify the issue.
I have a 2015 Honda Fit with 84,000 miles. Problem was intermittent originally and only occurred during the winter but now it's happens after the car has been sitting for a couple of hours and sounds worse. I took it to a mechanic and told him it was the VTC actuator but he disagreed with me and replaced the timing chain tensioner instead. It cost me $400 and didn't fix the problem. Perhaps both parts should have been replaced.
Honda gave me a quote of $2,200 to replace the VTC actuator and the timing chain. The noise is irritating but I'm not sure I want to pay out more money for this vehicle if the problem just returns after a few months.
Honda fit is a different beast than the CRV and I'm not aware with this being an issue on the fit, but it probably is the VTC. You wouldn't need another new timing chain if that has already been replaced but make sure the tensioner was replaced too
I have an accord and hear that every time I start especially in winter, thanks for the intel, video it and bring it to them!!!
Yeah it sucks. Just did another CRV. Full timing chain and VTC actuator replacement.
Thank you bro 😂 I thought it was my stater before I clicked on it I didn’t know
2015 Honda CRV - LE I agree with you. Since we bought the our brand new Honda we idol problem when waiting for the traffic lights or car running but the IDOL shakes took to Honda dealer they can not fix the car Same WE CAN NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT NO MORE HONDA....
We have 2012 for 10 yrs no issues, except for regular maintenence. A tank, taking it all over. My accord 2014 did have this issue
Bought my 2014 CR-V new and it never made this noise until it had about 60,000 miles on it. It does it rarely but I live in Florida. At 127,000 miles it seems to be doing it less and less. I think I just won't worry about it.
I have a 2013 Honda accord and I hear the same noise at times. When I do hear it, I just top off my oil level and it stops. But I did take it to Honda, and it kinda got swept under the rug because of course it was t making the sound when I took it
I have a 2013 Honda CRV and recently it did start making this noise. However, it has been a nearly flawless vehicle other than this and some issues with brake rust (live in cold area with lots of salt application). After 120k miles, I'd say it is one of the lowest cost cars I've owned so hard to say that it is a bad investment.
i just bought this one 2013 10 days ago, i don't hear this noise, except after second gear the car rattles on a low acceleration, and i just found out that its because of the torc converter which it existed from 2012 to 2016, luckily i bought a warranty for this car which i am going to go to honda dealership to have the torc converter replaced, or get it fixed. but i was told it wouldn't harm anything and it can go without any damage for more than a 500k mile! i am at 60k now, the car looks like it literally just came out of the showroom!
Yes. That torque converter problem was another common issue these vehicles had, mostly due to lack of frequent transmission fluid changes. If it is minor a round of 3 fluid changes may take care of your problem.
@@JackofAllMasterofNone thanks 👍
Don't trust what you are told. Take it to your own mechanic 1st. You'll be surprised even with the extended warranty what it won't cover.
I am looking at one of these. My heart was set on a rav4 2019-2022 but my god they are expensive. I wanted an suv with good gas mileage and for camping, soft roading. But looking at things getting something a little bit more well alot less expensive for what I want to do the crv seems like the way to go for my needs now.
get an older rav4?
Honda's all-wheel drive system is a poor choice, for even the very lightest of unpaved road use. For folks who live in serious snow country, or travel in rough, unmaintained roads, Hondas are far from the top choice. In snow county, like Northern New England and Colorado, there is a reason why Subarus are the dominant all wheel drive compact SUV, theie AWD system runs circles around the competition, when the weather turns ugly.
I once got slightly off the edge of a gravel road with my 2014 CRV. Two wheels on flat, fresh clean gravel, two wheels on a firm, grassy, very shallow ditch, with a bit of water in it. I immediately got stuck. I had to reverse back on to the road. ANY front wheel drive vehicle should have shot right back on to the gravel road, with a bit of light throttle, the CRV sat there like the wheels were not touching the ground. My son has a fabricating shop where he builds off-road trucks. He also drives a Honda Element. I asked him what I did wrong to get the car stuck on something any car should have handled? He explained it was nothing but an example of how truly pathetic Honda's all wheel drive system actually performs.
You probably could have held the brake a little and it would have done exactly what you expected. The situation you encountered is just a limitation of open differentials, it's not Honda specific.
@@TurkeySandwichJr Gen 4 CR-Vs are demonstrated to have the worst AWD of any SUV.
I have the 2013 Honda CRV and have the same issues with the noisy cold starts and the engine is burning oil. A mechanic recently told me that the timing chain was stretched. Not sure if if I will keep the vehicle or try and trade it in for something else. Thanks for sharing this video.
I bet you didn’t change or check the oil enough?
@@rmo4222 maybe. I followed the instructions. The car keeps track of the oil life %. I changed it when it got low. I have replaced the timing chain and the variable timing gear. Hopefully it will last for a few more years.
@@aaronbell6530 Don't forget to change the trans oil every fourth engine oil change. What's your gas mileage looking like?
try using 0W-10 motor oil and fill motor oil to the fullest point of the dip stick allowable. This will allow oil to up to the VCT moving parts as soon as the engine is cranked initially, hence reduce the Grinding duration from the usual 3-4 seconds during Start UP down to 1-2 seconds Every bid counts. Good luck....
I got a 2014 EXL with 19,000 miles on it. Runs great lol
I'd hope a car with
I have a 2015. I thought for sure you were going to mention the vibration issue. Best way I can explain it is, if you've ever driven a stick and gone from 2nd gear to 4th (skipping 3rd) that bogging down, vibration is what I mean. It's at 1100 RPM's or @ 40 MPH. CVT transmission of course. Not sure if it's an engine problem or CVT but, I know IT'S ANNOYING!
This video is specific to the 2012 through 2014 CRV. The 2015 through 16 have their own set of problems but are not as bad as the previous ones.
I don't understand why they don't take responsibility, i have a 2013 and my second purchase day i start hearing that noise, becarefull New buyers , they keep warning up vehicles with the problem until complete sales, i found that the following morning when i starting .😢😢😢 they said that isn't a problem blames cold weather 😤😤😤😤
Guys, my CRVs is not giving comfortable ride.
Struts not leaking but im feeling every small bumbs on road .. should i change my structs?
Its 10 years old now.
My brothers Vtc actuator failed at 40K miles. Out of warranty so the dealer wouldn't do anything. We got screwed by this car. 2014 Ex-L
my 2014 honda crv has had 0 issues and it’s at 115k miles
The biggest problem for this model is the high oil consumption. That is what caused the faulty VTC. The oil burning gets bad at the 75000 mile Mark, it stretches the timing chain. The chain is not the problem. The oil burning is the problem.
Part of the problem is using 0 -20 oil! I've always used 5W-20 Castrol Edge oil after we got 60,000 miles on the engine! That little added thickness of oil at start ups has protected the engine and not had this issue! 200,000 + miles and still going strong! You might notice a slight decrease on gas milage because the oil is slightly heavier but well worth it as the engine gets older! Royal Purple socks! I've owned 2 Napa Auto Parts stores for 48 years and Valvoline and Castrol are the only 2 oils that protect your engine!
Owning a couple of auto parts stores doesn't make you a technician.
Stating that Valvoline & Castrol are the only two oils that protect your engine is nonsense.
I have a 2017 and I love it.
That's a different generation. I also now have a 2019 LX model.
I own a 2012 Honda CR-V, EX-L with a bit over 150k miles. Not a hiccup, smooth engine and trans, great mileage, etc.
I am a senior Master Tech !
Yes it messes up the chain after time and and wears out the guides.
Yes sir I totally appreciate your video it has helped me tremendously and this is something the mechanics will never tell you nor you will find in your ownership manual of the vehicle so again thank you for taking the time and making this video this sound is making me worry I do have a 2013 Honda CRV and it's crazy how I start the car here just checking and yet again it does go away is there a possibility that I can increase my oil pressure to alleviate or assist this issue thank you so much and God bless