RAM REV EV is coming out soon with an interesting proposition of a hybrid unit where a gas-powered engine (3.6L V6 100L tank) doesn't drive the vehicle. Instead, its sole purpose would be to recharge the battery (92kWh). Intrigued to see how that fares against traditional V6 Hybrids.
This was a great idea for a video and I hope you do it again. I do a lot of road trips in my Veloster N, but when I go 1000+ miles I use a rental. I've had hybrids and PHEV's on long distance trips, I'd actually prefer the PHEV long distance. Hope for more videos like this. Also, I'm 6 weeks to my next buccees stop!
You have TWO episodes coming feature my GT3 Touring . . . not road trips yet, but well worth the watch. In the interim, this was the first road trip I took her on: ruclips.net/video/_IQr-5CKAoE/видео.html
You do realize that if you had used the built in Nav and not Apple Maps that the car then manages where and when to use electric v gas. I get much better mpg that way.
Well regarding to your game (love roadtrips to learn about the car, the region) - it's a British car so it will have your back and you will be able to make it. Now watching the rest of the trip in the rain :)
Were it not for Dieselgate (and higher prices at the pump), diesel-powered PHEVs would've been a widespread concept, and probably taken our range just barely into the thousands by now.
Really enjoyed the episode. It was a different type of review and i have to say it´s refreshing and entertaining. more of this please :) About PHEVs, they are the big missunderstood of today´s car world. My Ioniq PHEV ( it´s your fault MM :D ) does incredible MPG and i never ever have to worry about anything when i go in a road trip. Most of the time i´m in electric at a ridiculous cost and when i go somewhere else i always think of buying gas as "food for the car" just as i may eat something out and about. If one can charge at home/work with ease, they are just perfect. Got the benefit of no noise/vibration in the city and none of the drawbacks of BEVs. Anyways, my humble vote for more MM roadtrip episodes.
Long comment ahead, there's your warning: 100% agreed on PHEVs in the interim. They're a wonderful stopgap (and honestly the *only* way to go for future sports cars if we can find a way to keep the weight down in said future) until the grid capacities and charging network accessibility and fast-charging speeds are massively improved to the point that EVs can be used *worry-free* for extended road trips that are hundreds of miles on vacations, by people like my parents that have such reservations about EVs being their only cars at the moment. As for myself, I definitely prefer the PHEV setup because I can just fuel up in 5 minutes or whatever, and go. I want to say I read that it was Ford that had partnered with a University to come up with something like a dual-layer charging cable with coolant circulating throughout the outer layer to (at least theoretically) reduce public fast-charge times to 5 minutes for getting from 0%-80%-ish charge. That, along with ultra-widespread access and a grid that can support it, is what I'm waiting for. In the meantime, PHEVs would be best.
Public charging is overly expensive, delaying ROI of EVs. You can already do home charging and for that slow overnight charging the grid is *already* capable.
As we have learned in MANY episodes, both back in LA and on the road, PHEV is the right solution for today's infrastructure, no matter what the Green militia will tell you.
PHEV are a good bridge tech if the infrastructure / grid is not there yet. Over here it is, so PHEV´s are making only sense if you really live in the mountains.
Home charging is already available. Added weight of PHEV when it runs out of electric range will add up to worse mpg than hybrid in mountain driving use. Would not recommend it for the mountains.
Range Rover moved the plug in upmarket for 2024 with more power and Autobiography trim (more "free" paint choices, leather headliner, and more) . So for 2024 the plug in started at over $140K. For 2025 it's becoming a sport model and starting at $96K . So maybe Range Rover does know their customers. Strange how they keep moving the plug in model around price wise.
Hey Moto, I agree with your thesis all together…. I opted for an X5 50e. Granted I get less full electric range from my 26kwh battery. (On a good day in NYC is close to 50 miles). I am enamored with the best of both world that this platform offers. Marvelous B58 with a just enough electric range for my daily commute’s. I fill up once every 6-8 weeks and enjoy the 3 hour empty to fill charges on my level-2 charger at home. This is the future we should strive for. (Also, PLEASE review the X5 50e!!!)
@@MotoManTV I’ve been harassing you to review the 50e since you reviewed the LCI X5, yet your answer has been the same. (Depends on the fleet arrival) I’ll be patiently lurking in the comment section till then. 😆
OMG that screen in the river looks like a cheap aftermarket unit that was just Velcro to the dash by the last person at the Assembly line as an afterthought
RICK! Please accept my apologies. You know well my time is not my own when I am on these manufacturing programs. Next time I am in Nashville for personal reasons, I fully intend to cash in on your very kind home cooked meal offer!
@@MotoManTV No worries. I understand the nature of the job. I'm just teasing you. :) And this is one of the only reviews I've seen to test the "Range" in the name "Range Rover".
the "lane keep assist" (ACC/ADAS) is pretty dated on JLR's at the moment, I think it's a Bosch system that's been around awhile. They seem to be sitting on the Nvidia DRIVE partnership they've had for years. Maybe waiting for the EV models???
One of the few Motoman video that I stopped watching after only a few minuutes - why? Excellent core concept but all these archaic measurement entities are confusing for us in the old world. Maybe some pop-up text with the metric standard next time?
I'm still trying to get to a Buc-ees. I've been to a dozen or so states as a tourist from the UK over 30 or 40 trips and still our paths haven't collided. It's starting to become an irrational preoccupation.
D350 would have romped it in....just saying! Why no diesel hybrid, the most obvious choice??? Yes RR systems are really poor, active cruise is so jerky at low speeds, like some, maniac speeding up too fast and then jams on the brakes. You want to use it in stop start traffic but turn it off after a few stops. Not even close to the cars character.
Love the episode! Great to see parts of the country I haven’t visited etc. Absolutely love the Range Rover - it’s gorgeous and would be the perfect road trip car in hybrid. 500 miles fill ups and comfy seats are made for us to enjoy!
I almost bought an x5 45e a couple years ago. My issue with it was that it (like almost all PHEVs) has terrible performance when in EV mode. And about 90% of our driving is around town where I’d want to use that mode.
My issue with this is simple. If this was diesel it would get over 600 miles to a tank; no BS of hybrid tech needed. It is difficult not to have my tin foil hat on when it comes to this in the US. EPA has been pushing higher MPG for decades; diesel achieves this easily (even EPA website puts emissions cleaner out of diesel because of higher mpg) but the EPA mix of driving used for calculating MPG is city heavy where petrol engines are better, diesel is better at highway cruising causing the consumer looking at the sticker to see very little if no difference in combined mpg. The reason most people don’t achieve the EPA estimates with petrol vehicles is they rev out to get the power they want (because manufacturers are making the systems for spec sheet warriors looking at HP numbers, making the system WORSE for daily driving and creating the need for higher revs) Most drivers would LOVE driving a diesel because of the low end torque available but most never even try because of lack of knowledge and availability. I’m willing to bet if manufacturers brought diesel options to the US and just put customers in them for a test drive without saying it was diesel most would be shocked. As tax revenue is based off of fuel consumed pushing MPG increases over the decades causes the government to collect less revenue for more miles driven (when roads need to be replaced/repaired more often the more they are travelled) honestly feel this is the real reason for the push to EV. They can tax it how ever they want since it will be creating a completely new tax (look at some of the state bills trying to be pushed where vehicle tracking is mandatory for EV for effective taxing per mile which will be more than double that of fuel when calculated out)
So you dropped 1,264’ of elevation coming down that mountain and you’re telling me you still arrived with zero energy in the battery‼️😮 Does it not have regenerative breaking because if it doesn’t that behemoth curb weight got the brakes warm by the time you got down to the bottom. It weighs more than my fully loaded IONIQ 5 AWD Limited that could’ve charged quicker(18 min) at the EA across the interstate from your stop at Buckey’s. 🤷🏻 Granted I’d have to own a Tesla, Ford or a Rivian to charge at Bucky’s but my stop is but a mile away. Glad you made it safely. 12:58
It's too bad Land Rover doesn't buy all their powertrains from BMW, and of course they dropped their best motor for a BMW V8😂. Imagine if they also bought their infotainment and self driving tech from BMW. Unfortunately BMW owned Land Rover at the wrong time.
At this stage just go buy a BMW. But I agree with you. Had BMW owned Land Rover it would be next level. TATA group is doing good in that they are leaving it up to the original team to handle things like before and they don’t get involved much except investment. But BMW would’ve done it a whole lot better and I assume it’d be a whole lot more expensive too
OK, outside of teasing you about not checking in when you come to middle Tennessee, the owner of the local Land Rover dealer (and the adjacent Cadillac dealer his father founded 40+ years ago) is a dear friend and next time you come, I can introduce you. As it turns out, myself and the family did much of this drive two weekends ago since my daughter will be attending UNC Chapel Hill in the fall. And she is a big fan of Bucees. Bucees is actually pretty new to Tennessee, having only built stores in the last few years. The best way to describe Bucees is if a Cracker Barrel and a Wal-Mart had a love child in a bar-be-que pit. I know they sell a lot of gas but the Wal-Mart sized convenience store is the big attraction (and profit center). Given that, I'm a little surprised that they haven't built any EV charging into the store footprint, at least not yet. And I do think there is a good place for PHEVs in the transition. Toyota made this bet and it seems to be the right one now. It's makes a lot of sense in middle America outside of the population centers which don't have much of any EV charging infrastructure. We did our first series of college visits a year ago and spent a lot of time traveling rural North Carolina. A lot of car dealerships....very little EV infrastructure. Some of the new Infrastructure Bill is supposed to address this, but its going to take years to see the results and Tesla's recent machination with their SuperCharging team won't help.
I live in Charlotte and have driven that road and yes you’re gonna be coming across the mountains as it cuts through with tunnels but then you’re gonna be going down the mountain to Forrest City/Shelby which you’ll gain those miles easily‼️ 7:05
Love these roadtrip episodes. Your thumbnail had me thinking you were roadtripping somewhere within my home state of Texas (the actual home of Buc-ee’s). That Range Rover looks like a fabulous roadtrip vehicle. Too bad this version isn’t available anymore. I’m scared to see the price of next year’s model. More living with and roadtrip episodes please and thank you!
Mmmmmm 4:50 I could use a large soda right about now. Love road trip episodes and the music was kewl too! Did the Honda lady really pull over on the left side of the highway?
Great show from a very brave man! You are trusting your life with a auto pilot system from a company that is at the bottom of reliability in all surveys forever!
PHEV's were always the logical intermediate step between ICE and full EV.
It is highly specific to trip length. Mpg can be worse then regular hybrids on long distance thanks to added weight of batteries
RAM REV EV is coming out soon with an interesting proposition of a hybrid unit where a gas-powered engine (3.6L V6 100L tank) doesn't drive the vehicle. Instead, its sole purpose would be to recharge the battery (92kWh).
Intrigued to see how that fares against traditional V6 Hybrids.
Would love to see more trips like this on the channel!
Yes we do 😊
This was a great idea for a video and I hope you do it again. I do a lot of road trips in my Veloster N, but when I go 1000+ miles I use a rental.
I've had hybrids and PHEV's on long distance trips, I'd actually prefer the PHEV long distance.
Hope for more videos like this.
Also, I'm 6 weeks to my next buccees stop!
Appreciate the feedback!
Great episode Motoman. Any possibility of a road trip with the GT3, maybe to the Amelia Island Concours?
You have TWO episodes coming feature my GT3 Touring . . . not road trips yet, but well worth the watch. In the interim, this was the first road trip I took her on: ruclips.net/video/_IQr-5CKAoE/видео.html
Thank you so very much for sharing this with us. I've learned very much from you. I've always wondered what is a hybrid car. Now I know😊
You do realize that if you had used the built in Nav and not Apple Maps that the car then manages where and when to use electric v gas. I get much better mpg that way.
Well regarding to your game (love roadtrips to learn about the car, the region) - it's a British car so it will have your back and you will be able to make it. Now watching the rest of the trip in the rain :)
I remember audi a6 tdi going 800 miles in one tank
Were it not for Dieselgate (and higher prices at the pump), diesel-powered PHEVs would've been a widespread concept, and probably taken our range just barely into the thousands by now.
Really enjoyed the episode. It was a different type of review and i have to say it´s refreshing and entertaining. more of this please :)
About PHEVs, they are the big missunderstood of today´s car world. My Ioniq PHEV ( it´s your fault MM :D ) does incredible MPG and i never ever have to worry about anything when i go in a road trip. Most of the time i´m in electric at a ridiculous cost and when i go somewhere else i always think of buying gas as "food for the car" just as i may eat something out and about. If one can charge at home/work with ease, they are just perfect. Got the benefit of no noise/vibration in the city and none of the drawbacks of BEVs.
Anyways, my humble vote for more MM roadtrip episodes.
Thank you, Javi! On the road again - this time in Florida and Arizona and have brought you book along to read . . . so far, really enjoying it!
@@MotoManTV ❤️❤️❤️ that just made my day ❤️❤️❤️
Long comment ahead, there's your warning:
100% agreed on PHEVs in the interim. They're a wonderful stopgap (and honestly the *only* way to go for future sports cars if we can find a way to keep the weight down in said future) until the grid capacities and charging network accessibility and fast-charging speeds are massively improved to the point that EVs can be used *worry-free* for extended road trips that are hundreds of miles on vacations, by people like my parents that have such reservations about EVs being their only cars at the moment.
As for myself, I definitely prefer the PHEV setup because I can just fuel up in 5 minutes or whatever, and go. I want to say I read that it was Ford that had partnered with a University to come up with something like a dual-layer charging cable with coolant circulating throughout the outer layer to (at least theoretically) reduce public fast-charge times to 5 minutes for getting from 0%-80%-ish charge.
That, along with ultra-widespread access and a grid that can support it, is what I'm waiting for. In the meantime, PHEVs would be best.
Public charging is overly expensive, delaying ROI of EVs. You can already do home charging and for that slow overnight charging the grid is *already* capable.
As we have learned in MANY episodes, both back in LA and on the road, PHEV is the right solution for today's infrastructure, no matter what the Green militia will tell you.
PHEV are a good bridge tech if the infrastructure / grid is not there yet. Over here it is, so PHEV´s are making only sense if you really live in the mountains.
Home charging is already available. Added weight of PHEV when it runs out of electric range will add up to worse mpg than hybrid in mountain driving use. Would not recommend it for the mountains.
Range Rover moved the plug in upmarket for 2024 with more power and Autobiography trim (more "free" paint choices, leather headliner, and more) . So for 2024 the plug in started at over $140K. For 2025 it's becoming a sport model and starting at $96K . So maybe Range Rover does know their customers. Strange how they keep moving the plug in model around price wise.
Interesting. But there's no torque converter, and the weight is more like 3 tons than 2.7 tons.
Good test drive Motoman! 🐿️
Hey Moto,
I agree with your thesis all together…. I opted for an X5 50e. Granted I get less full electric range from my 26kwh battery. (On a good day in NYC is close to 50 miles). I am enamored with the best of both world that this platform offers. Marvelous B58 with a just enough electric range for my daily commute’s. I fill up once every 6-8 weeks and enjoy the 3 hour empty to fill charges on my level-2 charger at home. This is the future we should strive for.
(Also, PLEASE review the X5 50e!!!)
Good choice! I would chose the same if there is no reliable network of chargers around.
Great real world feedback. As for the X5 review, all depends on when the car arrives in the LA fleet.
@@MotoManTV I’ve been harassing you to review the 50e since you reviewed the LCI X5, yet your answer has been the same. (Depends on the fleet arrival) I’ll be patiently lurking in the comment section till then. 😆
OMG that screen in the river looks like a cheap aftermarket unit that was just Velcro to the dash by the last person at the Assembly line as an afterthought
Why don’t they now fit 2 batteries and flip between them. One being used, while one is being charged?
The only way you could charge is in hybrid mode and the extra power (gas) needed to charge while driving would negate the benefits of being in hybrid.
Cost and packaging keep that from happening.
Didn't we talk about you sneaking into town without saying hi? Keep this up and I might get offended. 😇
RICK! Please accept my apologies. You know well my time is not my own when I am on these manufacturing programs. Next time I am in Nashville for personal reasons, I fully intend to cash in on your very kind home cooked meal offer!
@@MotoManTV No worries. I understand the nature of the job. I'm just teasing you. :) And this is one of the only reviews I've seen to test the "Range" in the name "Range Rover".
Man basically travels length of our entire country (UK) - crosses one state line......WHAT
the "lane keep assist" (ACC/ADAS) is pretty dated on JLR's at the moment, I think it's a Bosch system that's been around awhile. They seem to be sitting on the Nvidia DRIVE partnership they've had for years. Maybe waiting for the EV models???
Is there no regen on this car, where it charges the battery while breaking/coasting/downhill driving?
Guessing u made it. Would like to try buckys one day
One of the few Motoman video that I stopped watching after only a few minuutes - why? Excellent core concept but all these archaic measurement entities are confusing for us in the old world. Maybe some pop-up text with the metric standard next time?
I'm still trying to get to a Buc-ees. I've been to a dozen or so states as a tourist from the UK over 30 or 40 trips and still our paths haven't collided. It's starting to become an irrational preoccupation.
WELL worth the trip! There is one not far outside of Nashville - which in itself is worth a trip!
Is that the Kvadrat interior?
A Range Rover not breaking down in a review?
I used my ACC a lot with my L494 and I never experienced this swaying back and forth. Could it be a programming issue that needs to be fix?
My audi sq7 gives me 700 km of range, without ev engine. So whats the point of hybrids?
Guessing you made it :)
Very good car as phev😊
No! you have hills and mountains!!!
The real question should be. If it can go 500 miles without breaking down?
ruclips.net/video/nYHkUz35_J4/видео.html
The infotainment is glitching its 2024 come on RR
D350 would have romped it in....just saying! Why no diesel hybrid, the most obvious choice???
Yes RR systems are really poor, active cruise is so jerky at low speeds, like some, maniac speeding up too fast and then jams on the brakes. You want to use it in stop start traffic but turn it off after a few stops. Not even close to the cars character.
On an SUV? How much would that weigh?
Would have LOVED a diesel but sadly, not on offer in the US!
The brisket sandwich is 🔥
Classic episode
My pleasure!
Love the episode! Great to see parts of the country I haven’t visited etc. Absolutely love the Range Rover - it’s gorgeous and would be the perfect road trip car in hybrid. 500 miles fill ups and comfy seats are made for us to enjoy!
I almost bought an x5 45e a couple years ago. My issue with it was that it (like almost all PHEVs) has terrible performance when in EV mode. And about 90% of our driving is around town where I’d want to use that mode.
The new 50e is way better. Worth taking a look.
3L i6 with hybrid system has been getting good reviews.
My issue with this is simple.
If this was diesel it would get over 600 miles to a tank; no BS of hybrid tech needed.
It is difficult not to have my tin foil hat on when it comes to this in the US.
EPA has been pushing higher MPG for decades; diesel achieves this easily (even EPA website puts emissions cleaner out of diesel because of higher mpg) but the EPA mix of driving used for calculating MPG is city heavy where petrol engines are better, diesel is better at highway cruising causing the consumer looking at the sticker to see very little if no difference in combined mpg. The reason most people don’t achieve the EPA estimates with petrol vehicles is they rev out to get the power they want (because manufacturers are making the systems for spec sheet warriors looking at HP numbers, making the system WORSE for daily driving and creating the need for higher revs)
Most drivers would LOVE driving a diesel because of the low end torque available but most never even try because of lack of knowledge and availability. I’m willing to bet if manufacturers brought diesel options to the US and just put customers in them for a test drive without saying it was diesel most would be shocked.
As tax revenue is based off of fuel consumed pushing MPG increases over the decades causes the government to collect less revenue for more miles driven (when roads need to be replaced/repaired more often the more they are travelled) honestly feel this is the real reason for the push to EV. They can tax it how ever they want since it will be creating a completely new tax (look at some of the state bills trying to be pushed where vehicle tracking is mandatory for EV for effective taxing per mile which will be more than double that of fuel when calculated out)
As usual, excellent video.
My pleasure!
So you dropped 1,264’ of elevation coming down that mountain and you’re telling me you still arrived with zero energy in the battery‼️😮 Does it not have regenerative breaking because if it doesn’t that behemoth curb weight got the brakes warm by the time you got down to the bottom. It weighs more than my fully loaded IONIQ 5 AWD Limited that could’ve charged quicker(18 min) at the EA across the interstate from your stop at Buckey’s. 🤷🏻 Granted I’d have to own a Tesla, Ford or a Rivian to charge at Bucky’s but my stop is but a mile away. Glad you made it safely. 12:58
Battery was basically depleted by the time I hit the state line.
Did Bucky’s have EV chargers for full electric cars?
None that I saw.
Yes. They do.
Brilliant 🍀🍀🍀
It's too bad Land Rover doesn't buy all their powertrains from BMW, and of course they dropped their best motor for a BMW V8😂. Imagine if they also bought their infotainment and self driving tech from BMW. Unfortunately BMW owned Land Rover at the wrong time.
At this stage just go buy a BMW.
But I agree with you. Had BMW owned Land Rover it would be next level. TATA group is doing good in that they are leaving it up to the original team to handle things like before and they don’t get involved much except investment. But BMW would’ve done it a whole lot better and I assume it’d be a whole lot more expensive too
@michaelb9940 unfortunately a BMW can't offroad like a Range Rover
OK, outside of teasing you about not checking in when you come to middle Tennessee, the owner of the local Land Rover dealer (and the adjacent Cadillac dealer his father founded 40+ years ago) is a dear friend and next time you come, I can introduce you. As it turns out, myself and the family did much of this drive two weekends ago since my daughter will be attending UNC Chapel Hill in the fall. And she is a big fan of Bucees. Bucees is actually pretty new to Tennessee, having only built stores in the last few years. The best way to describe Bucees is if a Cracker Barrel and a Wal-Mart had a love child in a bar-be-que pit. I know they sell a lot of gas but the Wal-Mart sized convenience store is the big attraction (and profit center). Given that, I'm a little surprised that they haven't built any EV charging into the store footprint, at least not yet. And I do think there is a good place for PHEVs in the transition. Toyota made this bet and it seems to be the right one now. It's makes a lot of sense in middle America outside of the population centers which don't have much of any EV charging infrastructure. We did our first series of college visits a year ago and spent a lot of time traveling rural North Carolina. A lot of car dealerships....very little EV infrastructure. Some of the new Infrastructure Bill is supposed to address this, but its going to take years to see the results and Tesla's recent machination with their SuperCharging team won't help.
I live in Charlotte and have driven that road and yes you’re gonna be coming across the mountains as it cuts through with tunnels but then you’re gonna be going down the mountain to Forrest City/Shelby which you’ll gain those miles easily‼️ 7:05
That car play lag is real.
😂 I know
Love these roadtrip episodes. Your thumbnail had me thinking you were roadtripping somewhere within my home state of Texas (the actual home of Buc-ee’s). That Range Rover looks like a fabulous roadtrip vehicle. Too bad this version isn’t available anymore. I’m scared to see the price of next year’s model. More living with and roadtrip episodes please and thank you!
True story: That Buc'ees we went to when we skipped the fancy dinner was just outside of San Antonio.
Mmmmmm 4:50 I could use a large soda right about now.
Love road trip episodes and the music was kewl too!
Did the Honda lady really pull over on the left side of the highway?
Have to admit, the Buc'ees soda was better than the big brands!
This is the second auto influencer channel to feature Bucee's. Did their PR Dept reach out to all the channels to advertise their gas stations?
I wish!
Great show from a very brave man! You are trusting your life with a auto pilot system from a company that is at the bottom of reliability in all surveys forever!
In EVERY Land Rover product, the Level 2 system has returned performance far below its German rivals.
Volvo XC60 PHEV 2024 - easily goes 500 miles on one tank with avg speed 60-70 miles/h, with aircon ON.