Genius! I could replicate this when I used to play, but I couldn't visualize the mechanics in the simple way you describe. Great explanation. I'm going to share it with my son who is getting into golf.
Thank you Mr. OG This video has completely changed my perspective of the swing. I have not mastered it yet but am seeing some very positive results that I hope to make more consistent . The concepts of bringing the shaft down over my right shoulder behind and not at the ball and that the hands are done after the hit are new to me. I have to work on continuing to turn and to keep my arms in sync with the body. Nothing has ever come easy for me in this game but this video has been priceless to me . Thanks again Martin
I'm glad it's working for you. If you're so inclined I have a paypal account if you feel the need. www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=D9KLSZE47S8AY
I've been an ironworker for 22 years. I've swung 8 pound sledges at a 2 inch bull pin as hard as I could. I've said this for years. Thanks for instructing me on the proper movement.
Went out today and tried this new information. Wow! It was so easy to hit the first drive down the middle long. Just a few easy range of motion swings and step up and no effort swing. 30 yards better. My irons 10 yards better. No back pain. Thanks Mike
I'm happy to hear that I've done another person good! How 'bout a tip? www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=D9KLSZE47S8AY People pay hundreds for a new driver or irons and hundreds more on DVDs and lessons that do them little or no good. I have truly simplified the swing to the point of almost near ridiculousness and it's transforming people's golf games. This is my only source of income these days as the company I worked for has gone under. My wife keeps saying to me, "Why are you just giving it away for free? You're wasting your time!" I'd like to prove her wrong. Play well! Thank you.
Great explanation of how to throw the club over the top. Understanding that I'm trying to hit from the top to the ball unable to figure out how the club travels from the top down. Thank you Mike
Thanks Brutha. I have been really struggling these last few months trying to stay on top of the ball at impact while maintaining in to out path. It has caused all sorts of issues. I just hit 20 balls into the net at home and wahoo the good ol’ feeling is back (using the tilt). Thank you very much. Have a great day mate. 🏌️♂️👍🍺
@@HolyGrailOfGolf no mate. I follow you all the time. I just got hung up on covering the ball at impact and couldn’t work out why I was having some many issues with swinging out to in. I like your slant on things. Keep it up. Cheers
The power of the wrists was painfully showed to me at a carnival years ago before i started golf. An old man was selling 3 attempts to ring the bell with a big wooden hammer on a 4 ft stick, the hammer was about 5inches in diameter. I tried 3 tries and couldn't get the medal ball to travel up the track to ring the bell. After i was exhausted ( i lifted 250 lb beef quarters all day for a living) , he calmly picked up the hammer and with lightning speed sent the ball up and smashed the bell. I then tried it using his method of flicking the wrists and boom, it smashed the bell hard. I know you don't talk about parts of the swing that should be self conscious but a lot of golfers doesn't know the power of the wrists. Good video, great content.
So once you used the hammer as a second lever it worked much more efficiently. That's a good analogy. I think most people think of golf the same way - a strong gorilla style smash should be better than a relaxed quick whip and suddenly they throw everything they know to be true out the window.
My concern is that by bending to the right your original club distance from the address position is now much less and that you bottom out before the ball and chunk it with both woods and irons? Your thoughts?
I’m really trying to get this. I understand the movement and hit amazing shots when done right. But I’m still mainly getting slices. I don’t think it’s an open face I think my trail shoulder is still coming out so I’m over the top cutting across the ball, so frustrating. If you have any further advice I’d be very grateful. Thanks
Sure, you're swinging in the wrong direction. You're trying to move the clubhead toward the desired ball flight which will cause the face to open. You need to swing downward more as if you're going to hit the ball underground. That will cause the clubface to close naturally as it was designed to do. That is the Holy Grail of Golf®.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf I will keep trying thanks. After I commented I also found your how to cure the slice video, I’ve watched it a few times where you say to come into the ball with the face open, as if hitting the ball with the heel. I have never seen this mentioned before by anyone. So will be trying that too on next range visit
@@Lje7 It's simple physics. If the weight of the clubhead is outside the shaft and a linear force is applied to the shaft the mass will want to trail the shaft ... like a flag, but when the mass is trailing the shaft and the shaft is caused to make a curve that mass can no longer travel on it's original path and will swing out, like a double decker bus going around a corner too fast, and that will cause the clubface to close naturally which is how the golf club is designed to work. It's not just a mindless stick that must be actively manipulated in order to work properly. In fact when swung properly, in the proper direction, literally everything happens automatically. This is clearly evident when watching any professional swing. There's simply no way to perform all the ridiculous things that instructors advocate in the millisecond it takes to perform a golf swing. It's physically impossible and yet so many people insist that good players are doing this.
Hi just found your site your content makes perfect sense. Will put it to the test at the range. Thanks for being so candid. I think I’ve found my problem watching you. I stand at the end of my swing instead of staying down and puts you slightly out to in. Great video.
Enjoy your test. Don't hit so many balls that you start to fail. Leave the range feeling great and having great confidence. So many people stay at the range way too long.
I think (still working on it) that the secondary spine tilt is possibly the most important part of a good setup. I don't know if my analogy is good, but it's like trying to run your dragster down the drag strip being lined up crooked. If you aren't lined up correctly, you will still go, but you won't go as fast or efficiently because you are not on the optimal line.
Looks to me like you drive your right elbow almost into your right hip to get that right shoulder position on the downswing from about 4.35 onwards? Very similar to the diagrams in Hogan's Five Lessons manual
I'm loving the insights. Its cold now but my last two rounds I hit the ball better than I ever have. Old habits still squeak in and I hit a bad one, but excited for the future.
Right!? I wish someone could have given me this advice 20 or 30 years ago as people keep saying to me. I never saw a video or even got a lesson that truly made a difference like this. I'm happy to hear that I've done another person good! How 'bout a tip? www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=D9KLSZE47S8AY People pay hundreds for a new driver or irons and hundreds more on DVDs and lessons that do them little or no good. I have truly simplified the swing to the point of almost near ridiculousness and it's transforming people's golf games and only a few nice people have given me a donation. I don't mean to guilt you into anything. You do what feel is right. My wife keeps saying to me, "Why are you just giving it away for free? You're wasting your time!" I'd like to prove her wrong. Play well!
Having the shoulders tilted nearly vertical coming through impact seems to be very important in allowing the clubhead to swing from the inside. Does the weight shift and lower body action affect the path of the club in the downswing? I don't remember you mentioning much about the leg and foot action in the swing.
I don't like to talk about things that you shouldn't need to think about. If you have a good intention in the swing the body will do what it needs to do because it has to do it.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf Thanks. I see what you mean. That's why the concept of the holy grail and hitting the imaginary ball helps to cause the rest of the action to take care of itself.
It has to do with the tilt of the shoulders. I may take this video down. It was for a specific problem and it's confusing people who don't have that problem.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf I really like the video...it makes sense. I’ve always felt that I’m not hitting the ball with power. The axe analogy makes it easy to feel the power. I’m just curious how the right hand and arm get to the 7:15 move efficiently.
@@christopherbabic4274 They never really do. Because the clubhead and shaft are lagging behind although we're pushing toward 7:15 we're long past that by the time the arms are able to extend. If you can actually extend toward 7:15 you're not doing it right.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf OK cool I get that...now, when the swing starts down from the top is your right hand twisting almost like it’s trying to throw a curveball?
@@christopherbabic4274 I was never able to throw a decent curveball, so I'm not sure, but I think yes. If you watch the above or below video I think that's what you're talking about. if you don't have an over the top problem you probably shouldn't even be thinking about it, and just let it happen naturally.
I like that when you go from right shoulder to left hip, the hands never cup or flip....seems like a very stable way to swing and the clubface is solid with no manipulations!
Got to get you over 10k. One question on this please and forgive me if you've replied on this elsewhere - Is it a bit like thinking you should start the downswing whilst trying to keep your back to the target - stops the shoulders and body rotating too quickly?
I know this and can do it no problem and it looks awesome on video with no ball except at impact the face is way open. So when I put a ball down I cant get myself to do it.
The golf club is an amazing device - it works completely differently at full speed than it does at low speeds, so what happens in slow-motion, is not what happens at full speed. The golf club is engineered to do what it's supposed to do and to assume that it's not or it won't do it, unless you force it to, is just silly and frankly ignorant of how a golf club works. Although, I don't blame you, after all I'm the only person who talks about how the golf club actually works. It's not just a stick with a lump at the end.
No, chips and pitches require a bit more of a putting type motion. One of the problems most people have with shorts shots is they try to make a mini golf swing and that simply won't work.
Bravo!! Encore, more detail, maybe show in slow motion so we can see more detail. Example, from address, backswing and downswing in slow motion. Pretty please!!
@@HolyGrailOfGolf playing a round in about 1.5 hours, 40*, winds at 20mph, should be interesting. I will try to send you a video later this week. Thanks for posting! Look forward to the follow up video.
In addition, I like this because I had thought how nice it would be to have the same force hitting the ball as I do when I slam my club head into the ground after a crappy shot. I use the very motion, often with just my right hand...seems incredibly powerful. I am sure it will take some time to make the movement across (right shoulder to left hip) become second nature and as forceful.
There is a famous instructor named Alex J. Morrison who began the slight tilt position and Jack Nicklaus' golf coach taugh Jack to roll his feet to get into that position. So, yes, it works. However, there are other ways to swing the club. The advantage of that position when done correctly is height and long distance....important in the days of the two-piece ball. However, modern golf balls allow the golfer to have it all. Thus, modern golfers can swing more like Ben Hogan which allows the golfer to hit high, low, left and right with ease.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf thank you, will check them out - am 68 played all my life, even low handicap in youth- laid off due to life and after starting again EE! Never been otp. Am now doing channel lock. Backfoot ball position and weight on trail side etc helped quite a bit. Rgds from south africa
@@daryldebruyn449 Yeah, check 'em out. I think you'll find a lot of my videos are quite unique and helpful. I knew when I first started posting videos that I would change the way golf is taught and sure enough, I see a lot of instructors now talking about golf in completely different ways than they used to. I've even had one instructor tell me that my method was so easy to explain that he uses it to teach his students. I don't advocate a new or different way of swinging I just explain it in a way that everyone can understand and perform. Most adults have simple and basic problems that stem from a misunderstanding of how a golf club actually works. Once you understand the golf club and appreciate the genius of its invisible engineering, golf is a lot more fun. Most people think a golf club is a stick that they have to "make" work when actually it's an incredible tool that hasn't changed in ~500 years because it works so well. People have always been trying to improve the design of the golf club but they can't. No design would work better! All you have to do is let it do what it was made to do.
Hmmmm. Very interesting. I'm going to give this a shot. Are we making the swing much harder than it really is?? I play my best golf when I am in the fairway off the tee. I don't need to be 350 (thank goodness), but I need to be in the fairway. Can't wait to try this out. I'll report back.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf I'll report back tomorrow. Probably need to work on the range, but I am playing by myself this afternoon, so I will give it a go. If this swing works, you are my new best friend!!
Overhand golf guy, I don't know if you've ever thought about this, but if you combine two motions , a vertical drop and a horizontal rotation, the result is an inclined plane. It might help even more to explain what you're explaining. The body tilt imo only positions the release point later imo , giving numerable advantages. Years ago I remember a golf book called I think "The Lighthouse Turn" where I first saw this idea. McTeiugue the pro as I remember.
A swing "feel" for this is to imagine that your right shoulder doesn't exist (i.e keep it quiet). You swing around your left shoulder which is the pivot point and, with the secondary spine tilt, rotating adds the centrifugal force. Your right shoulder isn't there to impede you and It becomes effortless power.
Sir, I enjoy so much yr technical explanation. Btw,Sir, I feel u need to check to yr doctor for yr heart. U have a short breath. Hope you're fine. Gbu. Best regards, antonius
Thank you for your concern. I'm not normally out of breath. I do have a sinus problem and my nose doesn't work very well. Also, I'm fairly new to speaking to a camera so I'm talking longer than I normally would. Finally, the microphone I'm using has noise cancelling but for some reason when I'm not wearing it in my ear it picks up the breath sounds much more.
When I started watching the video, I immediately thought this was just the ramblings of a mad man, violently throwing a club around in his garden but by the end, I realized you weren't rambling at all.
Yes, if this is the first video of mine you've watched you probably think I'm crazy. Hopefully you discovered the Holy Grail of golf playlist at the end of the video.
I do that sometimes too. Have u tried moving the ball back in your stance a little bit? Move it back just the width of the golf ball and hit a few, and then if u need to, move it back again for a few swings until you`re in the right spot. I think it`s helping me.
Normally I agree with your suggestions. This one is also true BUT it only 1/2 the answer. People need to know this move is only possible if you clear your hips first which is the hardest move for amateur golfers. Thanks for the video.
@@555Trout lol. If you drop your trail shoulder before you open your hips, the club will get stuck behind you. Its hard for most to feel this but if you swing with butt against a wall you will.
@@555Trout your right, I dont understand because he's wrong. There's a reason all professional golfs start the downswing from the ground up. Not the shoulders first. Are you telling me their all wrong?
@@thomasyonkauske2834 Getting it and losing it is all part of the learning process. When you first try it you're doing it right because you can't believe it works then as you become more comfortable and can't really "feel" it anymore you end up with a hybrid of your old swing and the new move. At this point, like you, you have to go back to the beginning and start over. So, you learn what to do and what not to do and hopefully you never have to go down the "what not to do" path again. Almost everyone does this.
I haven't seen all of your videos, but it seems you mostly, if not always, use either a driver or a fairway wood. Why don't you demonstrate your technique with irons? I for one think it would be beneficial.
The basics of the swing are the same. I just figured most people love hitting woods so I'd use that, plus the club I demonstrate with has a fantastic swing weight and I just love swinging it. You're right, I should use an iron.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf I think it would be great if you could do a video showing how one controls face rotation through the impact area with an iron using the Overhand/Holy Grail swing. When you swing at full speed with a wood/driver it looks like a lot of face rotation. I have had some positive results with your method with fairway woods/driver but not so much with the irons. Thanks.
@@MJB7322 The face is controlled by your grip. You don't actively control it as you're swinging. If you try you will fail most of the time. By not trying to control it, we allow it to square up naturally.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf I know that is one school of thought but others teach that you can reduce the rate of clubface rotation through impact either through body rotation or keeping the face more closed to the path throughout the swing. Again, I think a video supporting your position and done with an iron (and why your method is preferable to the other two I just mentioned) would be quite beneficial.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf Makes sense! For me nothing else matters if my initial direction of force with my arms / club isn't toward the Holy Grail. The move you describe here clarifies and enhances the Holy Grail. (As long as the direction of force is to the Holy Grail) . This video really helps me! Thank you.
Clearly you think too much about golf. If you thought less of golf and more of your chores, you'd have less weeds in the garden. Ah bugger it! To heck with the weeds, carry on with the golf . . . you're doing well young man and I'm liking your work.
Don’t know if you still exist....... You had so many ground breaking and contrarian thoughts on the golf swing that I think you attracted a lot of followers initially but swinging a club with a rag wrapped around the handle and your “venue” eventually drove people away, even though your content was very good and entertaining. It seemed you might have had money and health issues which started becoming apparent in your comments which might have been part of the downfall of Overhand Golf. Even with good information, golf is so difficult that if carefully followed it might take months for that information to translate into game improvement. There are SO many instructors on RUclips the little guy like yourself are doomed to fail. Hope your doing well and even though it didn’t pan out, know that many thousands of people enjoyed your wisdom and entertaining presentation skills.
Yeah, I'm still around. The last few years haven't been very good for me although I'm getting better. The real reason the channel isn't what it used to be is because of RUclips. They implemented a new algorithm they called "session time." Mine was almost zero. The problem is that people watch my videos and say, "No way can it be that easy," then go out and swing a club or hit the range ... so they stop watching RUclips. So RUclips tracked that whenever someone watches my channel they stopped watching any more RUclips so they stopped promoting me even though I was getting 144,000 views per day! After the new algorithm I'm down to about 1500 a day. So RUclips isn't really worth my time and effort like it was. I'm putting all my efforts into my website now, mostly. Hopefully that'll but up and running soon. It's almost there. I have so many ideas and concepts it's hard to organize them. Did I get mean in some comments? I try not to but some people are just jerks. I still have 99% like rate on most videos but there's always that one guy who thinks everyone other than himself is an idiot. I try to debate them and then they just get nasty and mean when their argument falls apart so I usually ban them from the channel unless it's entertaining or helpful in some way. Thanks for the comment.
Genius! I could replicate this when I used to play, but I couldn't visualize the mechanics in the simple way you describe. Great explanation. I'm going to share it with my son who is getting into golf.
Best video on the golf swing ever made right here
A-Side from all your other videos !
3:58 magic move!!
THIS IS GENIUS. THANK YOU FOR A NEW PERSPECTIVE OF THE GOLF SWING
Thank you Mr. OG This video has completely changed my perspective of the swing. I have not mastered it yet but am seeing some very positive results that I hope to make more consistent . The concepts of bringing the shaft down over my right shoulder behind and not at the ball and that the hands are done after the hit are new to me. I have to work on continuing to turn and to keep my arms in sync with the body. Nothing has ever come easy for me in this game but this video has been priceless to me . Thanks again Martin
I'm glad it's working for you. If you're so inclined I have a paypal account if you feel the need. www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=D9KLSZE47S8AY
Best golf channel on the tube...
I've been an ironworker for 22 years. I've swung 8 pound sledges at a 2 inch bull pin as hard as I could.
I've said this for years. Thanks for instructing me on the proper movement.
Went out today and tried this new information. Wow!
It was so easy to hit the first drive down the middle long. Just a few easy range of motion swings and step up and no effort swing. 30 yards better. My irons 10 yards better. No back pain.
Thanks Mike
I'm happy to hear that I've done another person good! How 'bout a tip? www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=D9KLSZE47S8AY
People pay hundreds for a new driver or irons and hundreds more on DVDs and lessons that do them little or no good. I have truly simplified the swing to the point of almost near ridiculousness and it's transforming people's golf games. This is my only source of income these days as the company I worked for has gone under.
My wife keeps saying to me, "Why are you just giving it away for free? You're wasting your time!" I'd like to prove her wrong.
Play well! Thank you.
Great explanation of how to throw the club over the top. Understanding that I'm trying to hit from the top to the ball unable to figure out how the club travels from the top down. Thank you
Mike
Thanks Brutha. I have been really struggling these last few months trying to stay on top of the ball at impact while maintaining in to out path. It has caused all sorts of issues. I just hit 20 balls into the net at home and wahoo the good ol’ feeling is back (using the tilt). Thank you very much. Have a great day mate. 🏌️♂️👍🍺
Is this the first video of mine that you've seen? If so, you need to watch the Holy Grail of Golf.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf no mate. I follow you all the time. I just got hung up on covering the ball at impact and couldn’t work out why I was having some many issues with swinging out to in. I like your slant on things. Keep it up. Cheers
The power of the wrists was painfully showed to me at a carnival years ago before i started golf. An old man was selling 3 attempts to ring the bell with a big wooden hammer on a 4 ft stick, the hammer was about 5inches in diameter. I tried 3 tries and couldn't get the medal ball to travel up the track to ring the bell. After i was exhausted ( i lifted 250 lb beef quarters all day for a living) , he calmly picked up the hammer and with lightning speed sent the ball up and smashed the bell. I then tried it using his method of flicking the wrists and boom, it smashed the bell hard. I know you don't talk about parts of the swing that should be self conscious but a lot of golfers doesn't know the power of the wrists. Good video, great content.
So once you used the hammer as a second lever it worked much more efficiently. That's a good analogy. I think most people think of golf the same way - a strong gorilla style smash should be better than a relaxed quick whip and suddenly they throw everything they know to be true out the window.
My concern is that by bending to the right your original club distance from the address position is now much less and that you bottom out before the ball and chunk it with both woods and irons? Your thoughts?
Best one yet. Thank you.
Thanks for your candid honesty . . can't say enough on how you go that xtra mile or in my case kilometer.
I’m really trying to get this. I understand the movement and hit amazing shots when done right. But I’m still mainly getting slices. I don’t think it’s an open face I think my trail shoulder is still coming out so I’m over the top cutting across the ball, so frustrating. If you have any further advice I’d be very grateful. Thanks
Sure, you're swinging in the wrong direction. You're trying to move the clubhead toward the desired ball flight which will cause the face to open. You need to swing downward more as if you're going to hit the ball underground. That will cause the clubface to close naturally as it was designed to do. That is the Holy Grail of Golf®.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf I will keep trying thanks. After I commented I also found your how to cure the slice video, I’ve watched it a few times where you say to come into the ball with the face open, as if hitting the ball with the heel. I have never seen this mentioned before by anyone. So will be trying that too on next range visit
@@Lje7 It's simple physics. If the weight of the clubhead is outside the shaft and a linear force is applied to the shaft the mass will want to trail the shaft ... like a flag, but when the mass is trailing the shaft and the shaft is caused to make a curve that mass can no longer travel on it's original path and will swing out, like a double decker bus going around a corner too fast, and that will cause the clubface to close naturally which is how the golf club is designed to work. It's not just a mindless stick that must be actively manipulated in order to work properly. In fact when swung properly, in the proper direction, literally everything happens automatically. This is clearly evident when watching any professional swing. There's simply no way to perform all the ridiculous things that instructors advocate in the millisecond it takes to perform a golf swing. It's physically impossible and yet so many people insist that good players are doing this.
This is a wonderful video. You have changed my golf swing.
Hi just found your site your content makes perfect sense. Will put it to the test at the range. Thanks for being so candid. I think I’ve found my problem watching you. I stand at the end of my swing instead of staying down and puts you slightly out to in. Great video.
Enjoy your test. Don't hit so many balls that you start to fail. Leave the range feeling great and having great confidence. So many people stay at the range way too long.
I think (still working on it) that the secondary spine tilt is possibly the most important part of a good setup. I don't know if my analogy is good, but it's like trying to run your dragster down the drag strip being lined up crooked. If you aren't lined up correctly, you will still go, but you won't go as fast or efficiently because you are not on the optimal line.
Yes!
would you recommend implementing the tilt at address versus at another point in the swing?
I’m unclear on what exactly you’re asking. Can you clarify?
@@HolyGrailOfGolf at address stand and tilt before one initiates the swing or move to that position during the downswing
Amazing, superb! Thanks for this insight!
Thanks. There are many other videos too, if you haven't found them already.
Do you tilt spine at set up or during the backswing or at the start of the downswing?
Normal setup ... I'm assuming you're talking about secondary spine tilt.
Hi does the same swing apply for short shots? Thanks Joe
Very helpful. Thank you. Btw, minute 2.59- 3.02, you swing like Kyle berkshire 😃
Looks to me like you drive your right elbow almost into your right hip to get that right shoulder position on the downswing from about 4.35 onwards? Very similar to the diagrams in Hogan's Five Lessons manual
Another great concept!
What does it look like with say a 9-iron hitting more down than the driver hitting upward? How does it change the body's tilt or throwing motion?
Here is what he told me: This guy has a simple and beautiful setup and explanation. ruclips.net/video/JgObFR-d0Dw/видео.html
It's just a steeper motion.
I'm loving the insights. Its cold now but my last two rounds I hit the ball better than I ever have. Old habits still squeak in and I hit a bad one, but excited for the future.
Right!? I wish someone could have given me this advice 20 or 30 years ago as people keep saying to me. I never saw a video or even got a lesson that truly made a difference like this.
I'm happy to hear that I've done another person good! How 'bout a tip?
www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=D9KLSZE47S8AY
People pay hundreds for a new driver or irons and hundreds more on DVDs and lessons that do them little or no good. I have truly simplified the swing to the point of almost near ridiculousness and it's transforming people's golf games and only a few nice people have given me a donation.
I don't mean to guilt you into anything. You do what feel is right. My wife keeps saying to me, "Why are you just giving it away for free? You're wasting your time!"
I'd like to prove her wrong.
Play well!
@@HolyGrailOfGolf Done! Didn't know it was an optiom
Having the shoulders tilted nearly vertical coming through impact seems to be very important in allowing the clubhead to swing from the inside. Does the weight shift and lower body action affect the path of the club in the downswing? I don't remember you mentioning much about the leg and foot action in the swing.
I don't like to talk about things that you shouldn't need to think about. If you have a good intention in the swing the body will do what it needs to do because it has to do it.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf Thanks. I see what you mean. That's why the concept of the holy grail and hitting the imaginary ball helps to cause the rest of the action to take care of itself.
Can you explain this concept in combination with the 7:15 move? How do you effectively combine these moves?
It has to do with the tilt of the shoulders. I may take this video down. It was for a specific problem and it's confusing people who don't have that problem.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf I really like the video...it makes sense. I’ve always felt that I’m not hitting the ball with power. The axe analogy makes it easy to feel the power. I’m just curious how the right hand and arm get to the 7:15 move efficiently.
@@christopherbabic4274 They never really do. Because the clubhead and shaft are lagging behind although we're pushing toward 7:15 we're long past that by the time the arms are able to extend. If you can actually extend toward 7:15 you're not doing it right.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf OK cool I get that...now, when the swing starts down from the top is your right hand twisting almost like it’s trying to throw a curveball?
@@christopherbabic4274 I was never able to throw a decent curveball, so I'm not sure, but I think yes. If you watch the above or below video I think that's what you're talking about. if you don't have an over the top problem you probably shouldn't even be thinking about it, and just let it happen naturally.
I like that when you go from right shoulder to left hip, the hands never cup or flip....seems like a very stable way to swing and the clubface is solid with no manipulations!
Got to get you over 10k. One question on this please and forgive me if you've replied on this elsewhere - Is it a bit like thinking you should start the downswing whilst trying to keep your back to the target - stops the shoulders and body rotating too quickly?
I know this and can do it no problem and it looks awesome on video with no ball except at impact the face is way open. So when I put a ball down I cant get myself to do it.
The golf club is an amazing device - it works completely differently at full speed than it does at low speeds, so what happens in slow-motion, is not what happens at full speed. The golf club is engineered to do what it's supposed to do and to assume that it's not or it won't do it, unless you force it to, is just silly and frankly ignorant of how a golf club works. Although, I don't blame you, after all I'm the only person who talks about how the golf club actually works. It's not just a stick with a lump at the end.
Really helpful video. Thank you!
Hi does the same swing apply for short shots? Thanks
No, chips and pitches require a bit more of a putting type motion. One of the problems most people have with shorts shots is they try to make a mini golf swing and that simply won't work.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf can u demonstrate in a video?
@@joecalvacca3195 Don't I demonstrate in every video? I do have a video or two about chipping.
Great vid!
Is this the same move for irons??
Yes. I generally use a fairway wood for demonstrations just ‘cause it’s what I had around.
Bravo!! Encore, more detail, maybe show in slow motion so we can see more detail.
Example, from address, backswing and downswing in slow motion. Pretty please!!
I had a feeling you'd like this one.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf playing a round in about 1.5 hours, 40*, winds at 20mph, should be interesting. I will try to send you a video later this week.
Thanks for posting! Look forward to the follow up video.
In addition, I like this because I had thought how nice it would be to have the same force hitting the ball as I do when I slam my club head into the ground after a crappy shot. I use the very motion, often with just my right hand...seems incredibly powerful.
I am sure it will take some time to make the movement across (right shoulder to left hip) become second nature and as forceful.
Half the beauty of this guys videos is his ability to imitate my goofy ass swing!
DR. OH, Should you tilt in a small amount in the setup ? THANKS, Ron
got it
Genius. Simply the damn game.
If I had a nickel for every time someone called me a genius ...
Brilliant 🎉
great channel great content love listening to your insight
Glad you enjoy it!
@@HolyGrailOfGolf What are your thoughts on stack and tilt?
Man this is eye opening. You should write a book sir. Good stuff
I was thinking about it, but does anyone read book about golf any more?
I love this so much. Does it work with iron also?
Sure, it's the same as the Holy Grail, just a different explanation.
Can you please do a video on the backswing please.
Best yet!!!! Thanks👍🏻
Thanks I need some more of this need some help with that secondary spine angle better outfit this time and no barking dog lol
Incredible. Thanks.
There is a famous instructor named Alex J. Morrison who began the slight tilt position and Jack Nicklaus' golf coach taugh Jack to roll his feet to get into that position. So, yes, it works. However, there are other ways to swing the club. The advantage of that position when done correctly is height and long distance....important in the days of the two-piece ball. However, modern golf balls allow the golfer to have it all. Thus, modern golfers can swing more like Ben Hogan which allows the golfer to hit high, low, left and right with ease.
I'd never heard of him. Thank you.
Forking BRILLIANT!
Cool thx - now the cure for early extension pse
I have a video or two about EE.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf thank you, will check them out - am 68 played all my life, even low handicap in youth- laid off due to life and after starting again EE! Never been otp. Am now doing channel lock. Backfoot ball position and weight on trail side etc helped quite a bit. Rgds from south africa
@@daryldebruyn449 Yeah, check 'em out. I think you'll find a lot of my videos are quite unique and helpful. I knew when I first started posting videos that I would change the way golf is taught and sure enough, I see a lot of instructors now talking about golf in completely different ways than they used to. I've even had one instructor tell me that my method was so easy to explain that he uses it to teach his students. I don't advocate a new or different way of swinging I just explain it in a way that everyone can understand and perform. Most adults have simple and basic problems that stem from a misunderstanding of how a golf club actually works. Once you understand the golf club and appreciate the genius of its invisible engineering, golf is a lot more fun. Most people think a golf club is a stick that they have to "make" work when actually it's an incredible tool that hasn't changed in ~500 years because it works so well. People have always been trying to improve the design of the golf club but they can't. No design would work better! All you have to do is let it do what it was made to do.
Superb
Hmmmm. Very interesting. I'm going to give this a shot. Are we making the swing much harder than it really is?? I play my best golf when I am in the fairway off the tee. I don't need to be 350 (thank goodness), but I need to be in the fairway. Can't wait to try this out. I'll report back.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf I'll report back tomorrow. Probably need to work on the range, but I am playing by myself this afternoon, so I will give it a go. If this swing works, you are my new best friend!!
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Overhand golf guy, I don't know if you've ever thought about this, but if you combine two motions , a vertical drop and a horizontal rotation, the result is an inclined plane.
It might help even more to explain what you're explaining.
The body tilt imo only positions the release point later imo , giving numerable advantages.
Years ago I remember a golf book called I think "The Lighthouse Turn" where I first saw this idea.
McTeiugue the pro as I remember.
Lighthouse turn is mentioned in his book "The keys to an effortless swing"
@@Wolfman4894 Gotcha. I read it over 30 years ago.
A ha moment. Crushing the ball now.
A swing "feel" for this is to imagine that your right shoulder doesn't exist (i.e keep it quiet). You swing around your left shoulder which is the pivot point and, with the secondary spine tilt, rotating adds the centrifugal force. Your right shoulder isn't there to impede you and It becomes effortless power.
I,m a Mike austin fan, and he look almost the same. Herman
Sir, I enjoy so much yr technical explanation. Btw,Sir, I feel u need to check to yr doctor for yr heart. U have a short breath. Hope you're fine. Gbu. Best regards, antonius
Thank you for your concern. I'm not normally out of breath. I do have a sinus problem and my nose doesn't work very well. Also, I'm fairly new to speaking to a camera so I'm talking longer than I normally would. Finally, the microphone I'm using has noise cancelling but for some reason when I'm not wearing it in my ear it picks up the breath sounds much more.
Interesting 🤔. 🙏🏼🙂
Pas mal. Le fouet!
When I started watching the video, I immediately thought this was just the ramblings of a mad man, violently throwing a club around in his garden but by the end, I realized you weren't rambling at all.
Yes, if this is the first video of mine you've watched you probably think I'm crazy. Hopefully you discovered the Holy Grail of golf playlist at the end of the video.
Even with this secondary spine tilt I’m still hitting way behind the ball…
I do that sometimes too. Have u tried moving the ball back in your stance a little bit? Move it back just the width of the golf ball and hit a few, and then if u need to, move it back again for a few swings until you`re in the right spot. I think it`s helping me.
Normally I agree with your suggestions. This one is also true BUT it only 1/2 the answer. People need to know this move is only possible if you clear your hips first which is the hardest move for amateur golfers. Thanks for the video.
I disagree, because if you're tilted and turned properly your hips turn and clear without you thinking about it. It has to happen.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf Agree.
He doesn't know which is the donkey and which is the cart .
@@555Trout lol. If you drop your trail shoulder before you open your hips, the club will get stuck behind you. Its hard for most to feel this but if you swing with butt against a wall you will.
@@warboar436 Read what Overhand dude said again. You clearly didn't understand the first time.
@@555Trout your right, I dont understand because he's wrong. There's a reason all professional golfs start the downswing from the ground up. Not the shoulders first. Are you telling me their all wrong?
Hey this seems like two different moves, the one move you show rotating the club under it the opposite direction and this seems to be chopping wood.
Btw, they both work.
That's exactly what the video is all about. Although it seems like two different moves, it's really just one.
Ok, appreciate the reply! I had this down for a good while but have since lost it, going back and starting from the beginning.
@@thomasyonkauske2834 Getting it and losing it is all part of the learning process. When you first try it you're doing it right because you can't believe it works then as you become more comfortable and can't really "feel" it anymore you end up with a hybrid of your old swing and the new move. At this point, like you, you have to go back to the beginning and start over. So, you learn what to do and what not to do and hopefully you never have to go down the "what not to do" path again. Almost everyone does this.
Is it possible to speak with you?
Sure, OverhandGolf@usa.com.
Do you do online lesson ?
Yes, contact me here: OverhandGolf@usa.com
I hit it fat when I tilt.
Because you're not used to it. Keep at it. You'll get it.
I haven't seen all of your videos, but it seems you mostly, if not always, use either a driver or a fairway wood. Why don't you demonstrate your technique with irons? I for one think it would be beneficial.
The basics of the swing are the same. I just figured most people love hitting woods so I'd use that, plus the club I demonstrate with has a fantastic swing weight and I just love swinging it. You're right, I should use an iron.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf I think it would be great if you could do a video showing how one controls face rotation through the impact area with an iron using the Overhand/Holy Grail swing. When you swing at full speed with a wood/driver it looks like a lot of face rotation. I have had some positive results with your method with fairway woods/driver but not so much with the irons. Thanks.
@@MJB7322 The face is controlled by your grip. You don't actively control it as you're swinging. If you try you will fail most of the time. By not trying to control it, we allow it to square up naturally.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf I know that is one school of thought but others teach that you can reduce the rate of clubface rotation through impact either through body rotation or keeping the face more closed to the path throughout the swing. Again, I think a video supporting your position and done with an iron (and why your method is preferable to the other two I just mentioned) would be quite beneficial.
4:45 here we see…
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Surprised that you didn't reference the Holy Grail more explicitly in this video.
I'm trying not to be too redundant and possibly get people to look up the Holy Grail video to find out what it is.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf Makes sense! For me nothing else matters if my initial direction of force with my arms / club isn't toward the Holy Grail. The move you describe here clarifies and enhances the Holy Grail. (As long as the direction of force is to the Holy Grail) . This video really helps me! Thank you.
Dang, I bet you can smash it a mile!
Miss you mate. Hope your ok.
Thank you. I've been working on the website overhandgolf.com It should be open soon.
Clearly you think too much about golf.
If you thought less of golf and more of your chores, you'd have less weeds in the garden.
Ah bugger it! To heck with the weeds, carry on with the golf . . . you're doing well young man and I'm liking your work.
I don't own this house. I used to do a lot of gardening but it was never appreciated in the slightest, so, I quit. I mow the lawn but that's about it.
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...that's ol' Lee Buck's swing !!
Don’t know if you still exist.......
You had so many ground breaking and contrarian thoughts on the golf swing that I think you attracted a lot of followers initially but swinging a club with a rag wrapped around the handle and your “venue” eventually drove people away, even though your content was very good and entertaining.
It seemed you might have had money and health issues which started becoming apparent in your comments which might have been part of the downfall of Overhand Golf.
Even with good information, golf is so difficult that if carefully followed it might take months for that information to translate into game improvement.
There are SO many instructors on RUclips the little guy like yourself are doomed to fail.
Hope your doing well and even though it didn’t pan out, know that many thousands of people enjoyed your wisdom and entertaining presentation skills.
Yeah, I'm still around. The last few years haven't been very good for me although I'm getting better. The real reason the channel isn't what it used to be is because of RUclips. They implemented a new algorithm they called "session time." Mine was almost zero. The problem is that people watch my videos and say, "No way can it be that easy," then go out and swing a club or hit the range ... so they stop watching RUclips. So RUclips tracked that whenever someone watches my channel they stopped watching any more RUclips so they stopped promoting me even though I was getting 144,000 views per day! After the new algorithm I'm down to about 1500 a day. So RUclips isn't really worth my time and effort like it was.
I'm putting all my efforts into my website now, mostly. Hopefully that'll but up and running soon. It's almost there. I have so many ideas and concepts it's hard to organize them.
Did I get mean in some comments? I try not to but some people are just jerks. I still have 99% like rate on most videos but there's always that one guy who thinks everyone other than himself is an idiot. I try to debate them and then they just get nasty and mean when their argument falls apart so I usually ban them from the channel unless it's entertaining or helpful in some way.
Thanks for the comment.
Wat happende to the dog?
I never did find it, so whatever happened to it, it wasn't me.