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OMG!!!! Lightbulb!!! 💡💡💡🤯🤯🤯 I went out to the garden, some practice swings in front of the window for reflection. Holy mother of golf! Thanks so much👍👍
Mark! You really outdid yourself on this one. I don't know what is more incredible, the fact it's so simple and easy, or that I have never heard it, or anything similar before.
GREAT - I have started doing the Rahm 3/4 swing to help my striking and this HELPS & works great with the Rahm work i have been doing. Awesome addition to my range work.
Best thing I ever did was shorten my backswing a bit. Helped me realize I wasn’t turning through enough. Started even doing half backswings and focusing on the turn and the finish. Good stuff
OMG this is why you are my favorite RUclips golf coach. I've been struggling with the over the top swing and have tried everything I've seen on RUclips but this might just be the solution as is makes so much sense! Will let you know how I get on with this in mind.
The feel that has really helped me with this is "Start on the same arc you came back on" ... my over the top tends to come from me "feeling" as if I'm trying to go from backswing to the ball in a straight line (creating a situation where I drastically move everything from right of target to left after hitting the ball causing a slice). This drill really puts it into perspective where the pelvis is leading that feel! Thanks for the drill Mark.
Beautiful Mark. Thank you! I was literally working on my pelvis tilt today at the range and had no idea WHY I was losing control when I didn't have that "tilt" and more arch in my back. Talk about perfect timing for a video! Worth a sub for sure.
what a revelation . i hope this will fix my swing path for good after trying it with different coaches in a year. looking forward to trying it at the range
I've been doing a similar drill, but adding in a kind of left leg stamp as I'm finishing the backswing. It's a bit like your drill where you lift the left foot and put it down again. So my drill covers a full ribcage turn (which was a big issue for me), the downward movement (crouch) which shallows the path and lowers the hands, and also the early move into the left side. It's wonderful!
Exaggerate all you want to; but in the end it boils down to the right hip opening up for the backswing and then the lead left hip opening up for the downswing. At age 77 blessed with good hips; I have become a Hip Golfer making my hips the center of my swing. It is really that simple. Cheers. 😊🥂
Great explanation on how subtle this OTT move is, which I have been fighting for years on, hopefully these drills will get this resolved, thanks, cheers
Great lesson Mark. I look forward to working on this. At the beginning of the year I was hitting all my clubs so well. Then about 6 weeks ago I started shanking short irons. Then all of a sudden I lost 30-40 yards on irons...but the ball was going crazy high. Looking at divot patterns I am severly out to in and I'm having trouble sorting that out. Thanx for the video.
This!!!!! I can’t tell you how stoked I am to get this information. I have been struggling to the point of throwing the god damn towel in. I’ve been struggling with the frustration of no matter what I try I never get that eureka moment. I think this could be it! 🙏🏻 thanks Mark. 👍🏽
The wrong, turning underneath action, has crept into my game over a 3 month period. Sometimes I turn and strike it pure but didn't realise why. Now I know. Will be working on this from tomorrow. Thanks Mark
4:14 wow just what I’m working on with my lessons. In one lesson I went from -13 to +3 swing path just with him saying to me to feel like my club is scrapping down a wall behind me. Obs I was doing the wall drill with an alignment stick. Very good thanks mark 👍
Liking these drills. Been combining the split hand drill with some Trackman “Tracy” analytics to improve club to path and get things a little more neutral.
Thank you Mark… Thank you for proving that Shakira was right to say, “Hips don’t lie.” No, seriously…this is a great video. Love the bio mechanical understanding of what’s going on with our swings! Exciting stuff.
Exaggerate all you want to; but in the end it boils down to the right hip opening up for the backswing and then the lead left hip opening up for the downswing. At age 77 blessed with good hips; I have become a Hip Golfer making my hips the center of my swing. It is really that simple. Cheers. 😊🥂
I've never seen this concept explained so simply. Just turn into your backswing, bend the way you're facing, then start downswing. I did a search for similar wording on the web and found nothing. This is a very easy thought to take to my practice.
So this fault for me has been giving me the Tom Hanks! No bend in the hips at setup, right hip flying forward in the down swing, in turn throwing the hands way in front and coming down steep and across. Been able to play some ok golf with some thoughts that basically get me into a decent position at impact. But actually understanding the fault and having it resolved at setup is going to be a game changer for me! Do you still do one to one lessons?
Hey Mark: Tell your FCPX video guy that he needs to fix whatever he is doing because he keeps releasing videos that either missing plug-ins or media. That is why so many of your videos are plagued by “red Ts”. Otherwise love your videos and podcasts. I never miss a one. Keep up the great work!
Golf is a funny game. I came into a lesson swinging the opposite to this student. 7-11 degrees from the inside. Instructor said, "try swinging over the top." Path went to 2-3 from the inside. Baby draws. Feel vs Real.
Interesting. As a beginner, I naturally always draw my irons, so I guess I'm doing it right. My woods on the other hand slice horribly, so I gotta fix that.
I saw two coaches in the 20 years 2000-2020 and both put me off ever seeing any more coaches. They were both pushing the hand/club drop at the top of the backswing and to me as a scientific thinker it was just wrong. I didn't know what was right but I knew this wasn't the solution. It was trying fix a symptom not the disease. More recently I had some lessons with a coach and all he concentrated on was grip and takeaway. He said if the grip, stance and first 12 inches of the takeaway were correct I had enough coordination to get back to the ball in the right place. He was right.
Mark has taught dropping the club behind you at the top of the swing, and allowing it to fall. I tried this and to be fair it worked, but I could sense it was way too much manipulation. This drill is much better in my opinion. I'd agree to an extent about the takeaway, but at the end of the day if tour first move is for the hands or trail shoulder to come forward at the top of the swing, then you're always going to be OTT. As I am 😂
Question on RH golf swing and the inside of right arm to face forward...I have found this facing forward leads to pulls as my right arm naturally turns inward at impact, if I setup inward I don't seem to pull or have tendency to feel over the top... can you cover this subject please and help with correct delivery?
Heard you talk a lot about adding more tilt in the past but it has always been shank city for me when I’ve tried it. Maybe I am already tilted and adding more is too much?
The human body is a wonderful reactive machine. For me and my swing I do slightly disagree with Mark, and I emphasise this relates to my swing not necessarily someone else's, in order to allow my lower body to rotate properly, in transition I need to have the feeling of the club grip moving more out than down thereby giving myself room to rotate. But that is because I have a history of coming to far from the inside (typically 8-10 degrees from inside) which started because I had to much slide in my swing. Once I have the feeling of the club being sufficiently far away from the body in transition, rotating happens pretty naturally
OMG this is my bad swing the hips feel like they collapse as I force the power. My fix is turn back with tilt then my only swing thought is feel the lead shoulder to drive down first and under me.
This usually happens when you keep posture and start to turn with your hips first then letting the arms move down still in posture. Result shallow plane.
If only I could find a coach that could articulate movements that make sense rather than going through the motions and just providing general movements that make no sense to the student other than confusing them.
The first move should be a shift in pressure as the body re centres before the top of the swing is reached, followed by this movement. If you do this without shifting pressure you'll just crunch backwards and your low point will cause fats.
I tried this but unfortunately it didn't work for me, probably because it gave me no feel for where the club head was supposed to go. The drill that did work was to take the club to the top of the backswing then feel like the head was running away and down a wall placed behind me. Doing that slowly at first got the club back on plane. Obviously I turn with it too, but that's not the feeling, the turn just happens. Over the top is no more.
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OMG!!!! Lightbulb!!! 💡💡💡🤯🤯🤯 I went out to the garden, some practice swings in front of the window for reflection. Holy mother of golf! Thanks so much👍👍
Mark! You really outdid yourself on this one. I don't know what is more incredible, the fact it's so simple and easy, or that I have never heard it, or anything similar before.
GREAT - I have started doing the Rahm 3/4 swing to help my striking and this HELPS & works great with the Rahm work i have been doing. Awesome addition to my range work.
Best thing I ever did was shorten my backswing a bit. Helped me realize I wasn’t turning through enough. Started even doing half backswings and focusing on the turn and the finish. Good stuff
OMG this is why you are my favorite RUclips golf coach. I've been struggling with the over the top swing and have tried everything I've seen on RUclips but this might just be the solution as is makes so much sense! Will let you know how I get on with this in mind.
The feel that has really helped me with this is "Start on the same arc you came back on" ... my over the top tends to come from me "feeling" as if I'm trying to go from backswing to the ball in a straight line (creating a situation where I drastically move everything from right of target to left after hitting the ball causing a slice). This drill really puts it into perspective where the pelvis is leading that feel! Thanks for the drill Mark.
Beautiful Mark. Thank you! I was literally working on my pelvis tilt today at the range and had no idea WHY I was losing control when I didn't have that "tilt" and more arch in my back. Talk about perfect timing for a video! Worth a sub for sure.
what a revelation . i hope this will fix my swing path for good after trying it with different coaches in a year. looking forward to trying it at the range
I've been doing a similar drill, but adding in a kind of left leg stamp as I'm finishing the backswing. It's a bit like your drill where you lift the left foot and put it down again. So my drill covers a full ribcage turn (which was a big issue for me), the downward movement (crouch) which shallows the path and lowers the hands, and also the early move into the left side. It's wonderful!
Great video Mark. Always cut through the crap and give us all very useful information that will really help 👏🏼
Thanks, that means a lot to me. 👍
You are the #1 golf follow on RUclips thank you
Exaggerate all you want to; but in the end it boils down to the right hip opening up for the backswing and then the lead left hip opening up for the downswing.
At age 77 blessed with good hips; I have become a Hip Golfer making my hips the center of my swing. It is really that simple. Cheers. 😊🥂
I really appreciate how concise your info is, all meat and potatoes no fluff!
Ive watched 1000's of YT golf vids and this is the first time I've ever seen this @3:15 makes complete sense. Gunna give it a try.
Smartest golf instructor on RUclips. And your ideas/lesson are very original and different. Thank u
Mark - You've uncovered my issue. I've never heard this before. Thank you!!
Great explanation on how subtle this OTT move is, which I have been fighting for years on, hopefully these drills will get this resolved, thanks, cheers
Great lesson Mark. I look forward to working on this.
At the beginning of the year I was hitting all my clubs so well. Then about 6 weeks ago I started shanking short irons. Then all of a sudden I lost 30-40 yards on irons...but the ball was going crazy high.
Looking at divot patterns I am severly out to in and I'm having trouble sorting that out.
Thanx for the video.
Fantastic drills Mark!
So good. Been struggling with this for 2 years now.
This!!!!! I can’t tell you how stoked I am to get this information. I have been struggling to the point of throwing the god damn towel in. I’ve been struggling with the frustration of no matter what I try I never get that eureka moment. I think this could be it! 🙏🏻 thanks Mark. 👍🏽
Always a great source of understanding, this video is one of your best! Excellent explanation; excellent drills!
The wrong, turning underneath action, has crept into my game over a 3 month period. Sometimes I turn and strike it pure but didn't realise why. Now I know. Will be working on this from tomorrow. Thanks Mark
Amazing how you can figure out something that detailed! Thanks for sharing
4:14 wow just what I’m working on with my lessons. In one lesson I went from -13 to +3 swing path just with him saying to me to feel like my club is scrapping down a wall behind me. Obs I was doing the wall drill with an alignment stick. Very good thanks mark 👍
Liking these drills. Been combining the split hand drill with some Trackman “Tracy” analytics to improve club to path and get things a little more neutral.
Such a good video mark. I’ve been struggling with this and get the club completely vertical on the down swing
Wow. i will try it. I know it's going to work. Thank you. I'v been working on shalowing for so long.
Easily my favourite tip. Thanks Mark.
Hovland, Scottie, etc have over the top swing paths. They do shallow it but they follow an over the top path with their hands.
Absolutely Mind blowing !!!😮😮. Thanks Mark
Great video. This really works well. Getting a much more solid contact. Overdrawing some shots but I think that is just a timing issue. 👍
Thank you Mark… Thank you for proving that Shakira was right to say, “Hips don’t lie.” No, seriously…this is a great video. Love the bio mechanical understanding of what’s going on with our swings! Exciting stuff.
Fantastic angles mark…super advice
Exaggerate all you want to; but in the end it boils down to the right hip opening up for the backswing and then the lead left hip opening up for the downswing.
At age 77 blessed with good hips; I have become a Hip Golfer making my hips the center of my swing. It is really that simple. Cheers. 😊🥂
Thanks Mark, as always a beautiful tip 😊
I've never seen this concept explained so simply. Just turn into your backswing, bend the way you're facing, then start downswing. I did a search for similar wording on the web and found nothing. This is a very easy thought to take to my practice.
This is a great vid 👍
So this fault for me has been giving me the Tom Hanks! No bend in the hips at setup, right hip flying forward in the down swing, in turn throwing the hands way in front and coming down steep and across. Been able to play some ok golf with some thoughts that basically get me into a decent position at impact. But actually understanding the fault and having it resolved at setup is going to be a game changer for me! Do you still do one to one lessons?
Love it, going to try this with both irons and driver over the next few weeks, much prefer evidence based tuition to absolute clickbait nonsense!
I have this “over the top action “ Iv been working on tilts rather than rotation , so thanks will give this ago
This is exactly what I was struggling with in the easiest form. As good ol' Chubbs said "It's all in the hips"
Always great tips........you're welcome
similar to Monte Scheinblum's "zipper away" drill. the best teachers all comverge on similar ideas, though they express then differently
Mark another brilliant video
This is brilliant!
Hey Mark: Tell your FCPX video guy that he needs to fix whatever he is doing because he keeps releasing videos that either missing plug-ins or media. That is why so many of your videos are plagued by “red Ts”. Otherwise love your videos and podcasts. I never miss a one. Keep up the great work!
Interesting! Looks like their wrists are also close to parallel to the ground than the over the top example
Golf is a funny game. I came into a lesson swinging the opposite to this student. 7-11 degrees from the inside. Instructor said, "try swinging over the top." Path went to 2-3 from the inside. Baby draws. Feel vs Real.
I think just how different the two are is still heavily understated. Just small changes on camera can feel worlds apart in physical feels.
@@barking_mad6649 Couldn't agree more.
There a oldish video of tiger woods. Having the same problem. He had to work on it for ages he said.
Interesting. As a beginner, I naturally always draw my irons, so I guess I'm doing it right. My woods on the other hand slice horribly, so I gotta fix that.
good shit brah
I saw two coaches in the 20 years 2000-2020 and both put me off ever seeing any more coaches. They were both pushing the hand/club drop at the top of the backswing and to me as a scientific thinker it was just wrong. I didn't know what was right but I knew this wasn't the solution. It was trying fix a symptom not the disease. More recently I had some lessons with a coach and all he concentrated on was grip and takeaway. He said if the grip, stance and first 12 inches of the takeaway were correct I had enough coordination to get back to the ball in the right place. He was right.
Mark has taught dropping the club behind you at the top of the swing, and allowing it to fall. I tried this and to be fair it worked, but I could sense it was way too much manipulation. This drill is much better in my opinion.
I'd agree to an extent about the takeaway, but at the end of the day if tour first move is for the hands or trail shoulder to come forward at the top of the swing, then you're always going to be OTT. As I am 😂
Watch how much Mcilroy dips/squats in the initial part of the downswing. Same thought.
That's an amazing insight to the golf swing and a brilliant drill to help respect 👏
Question on RH golf swing and the inside of right arm to face forward...I have found this facing forward leads to pulls as my right arm naturally turns inward at impact, if I setup inward I don't seem to pull or have tendency to feel over the top... can you cover this subject please and help with correct delivery?
Heard you talk a lot about adding more tilt in the past but it has always been shank city for me when I’ve tried it. Maybe I am already tilted and adding more is too much?
Really what your showing here is allowing the club to drop down (not back) before rotation. Justin Rose, Ernie Els both talk about this.
The human body is a wonderful reactive machine. For me and my swing I do slightly disagree with Mark, and I emphasise this relates to my swing not necessarily someone else's, in order to allow my lower body to rotate properly, in transition I need to have the feeling of the club grip moving more out than down thereby giving myself room to rotate. But that is because I have a history of coming to far from the inside (typically 8-10 degrees from inside) which started because I had to much slide in my swing. Once I have the feeling of the club being sufficiently far away from the body in transition, rotating happens pretty naturally
OMG this is my bad swing the hips feel like they collapse as I force the power. My fix is turn back with tilt then my only swing thought is feel the lead shoulder to drive down first and under me.
Wow 🤯💡
Why hasn’t there been any course vlogs with the coach recently?
This usually happens when you keep posture and start to turn with your hips first then letting the arms move down still in posture. Result shallow plane.
If only I could find a coach that could articulate movements that make sense rather than going through the motions and just providing general movements that make no sense to the student other than confusing them.
You’re Welcome!
Errr, I mean Thank You!!
Need more muppet golf!!!
i'm looking at mark's legs. the legs initiate the actual bending the hips, pelvis, etc seems to follow the feet / legs, eh?
The first move should be a shift in pressure as the body re centres before the top of the swing is reached, followed by this movement. If you do this without shifting pressure you'll just crunch backwards and your low point will cause fats.
Miracle Swing Experience promotes an over the top swing.
You can play with that kind of swing, and I've done it for years, but good luck hitting high draws. It's a fade-type point and shoot swing.
I tried this but unfortunately it didn't work for me, probably because it gave me no feel for where the club head was supposed to go.
The drill that did work was to take the club to the top of the backswing then feel like the head was running away and down a wall placed behind me.
Doing that slowly at first got the club back on plane. Obviously I turn with it too, but that's not the feeling, the turn just happens. Over the top is no more.
That is so complicated Mark, it is just too much. Really...not a hope.
Not for this student it wasn’t