Trekyards EP315 - Gorn Dreadnought Cruiser (Starfleet Battles)
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The four circular discs on the wings are for launching and landing the shuttlecraft. The track lines on the wings from the discs lead to the shuttlebays.
SFB is a HARD CORE Star Trek battle simulator. I love Gorn ships, heavily armed and they can take a beating.
I saw a review of a Gorn dreadnaught in my RUclips feed; stopped in my tracks and hit play on this one!
I find Gorn design interpretations interesting since there is no canon to go by. FASA had some interesting ships in their combat simulator. But in my opinion, the SFB design just feels right.
Woo to he who tries to keep the warp nacelles attached to the early circa 1980s miniatures!
The Commander is SO not having it...LOL.
This ship is not the standard Gorn Dreadnought, which has three saucers. The Gorn have a number of "hybrid" classes, such as a Destroyer-Battlecruiser.
Yeah, the Gorn fleet in that game is "interesting" to say the least.
Hehe those nacelles look like they could be Sonic Screwdrivers if viewed from behind :P
Shuttle bays open onto the wings, the dots on the wing are launch pads, there is a track system that moves shuttles between the hangar and the pads.
They never explain the "track" system in SFB. There are lines from the 'Central Hanger' but I don't think that they are shown very well either. Shuttles weren't used a lot in Star Fleet Battles, although the were very useful is you knew how to use them. I think the guy who did the render just didn't make the shuttle bay prominent enough. It's an easy mistake to make, overall I think the ship render is pretty darn good.
Love me some Star Fleet Battles - since University in the 90's, have not found any other players so haven't played in a while.
the red dots on the wings are shuttle launch / landing pads, you can see the tracks going back into the dual shuttle bay boxes on the wing roots. As ground attack specialists, the Gorn had the unique ability on most ships to mass launch troops in shuttles after staging on the wings. They also would carry ground attack shuttles
I've always like the MA12 cruiser, it's a sturdy ship and it looks like a gator head sticking out of the water
the four circular pads on the wings are not plasma related. I played the Gorn a lot in SFB and those are shuttle launch pads. The Gorn hold their shuttles in the center portion of the ship and they are launched from the wings. The Gorn ships can launch up to four shuttles in a single impulse. It's used for 'wield weasels' which is a shuttle that is modified to attract an enemies plasma torpedo or drone. Similar to a flare or decoy in modern aerial or naval combat.
It was very useful against the Klingons...
Latter in the game the Gorn modified the shuttles to be a "Trojan horse' of sorts and there were six type "f" plasma torpedoes in a single shuttle. It was a real shock when the enemy thought you were launching a wield weasel and ran into 120 points of damage from six type F's.
I don't have my book handy, but types Fs? Are you sure you did not mean type Ds instead?
Yeah I think you're right. I forget what the stats were on the Type D though...
Basically same as Fs at very close ranges, then degrades much faster.
I remember my brother only fell for it once. After that he never got close enough to a shuttle to find out. :-)... He was r-e-a-l-l-y upset after eating 150 points from my initial blast of Plasma torpedoes; and then a Scatter Pack suicide shuttle...
Understandable. The plasma races scatter packs are really destructive at short range. I don't think the drone races have anything that comes remotely close to that...
This ship actually does have some tie ins to the original TOS episode (you know the one...HAMMER FIST!)
You can see the rapid deployment shuttle pads for Ground Attack Shuttles, and it carries a healthy compliment of marines, emphasizing the race's focus on planet invasion and ground combat. Also in SFC there were fan created models for the Gorn with irradescent blue scale armour, just gorgeous
I love SFB (especially Gorn) . I wish you guys did more research before your briefings.
I think it is to drive viewers nuts to get them to comment more. :-)
In honor of STO. When will you review the movie. Gorn in 60 Seconds.
17:45 I believe the Klingon ship is an F6, nicknamed a 'frignought' because it's a frigate-sized ship (well, a BIG frigate) with a third engine that makes it look a bit like a dreadnought.
17:44 - so we have the - F-6 Klingon frigate? A large Starfleet destroyer - a Lyran cruiser - the Gorn dreadnought - a red Kzinti cruiser - and a largish Romulan dreadnought, I guess.
Can you guys look at the Proxima class, USS Veracruz, USS Altair, or the Phalanx class (the last 3 were in ships of the line)?
in your last photo of all the diff races,there is a fed dd or ddg,the lyran is possibly a cl the klingon is an e4 and as you stated the warhawk and not sure of the kzinti class ship - great stuff,keep up these videos,brings back the memories of playing SFB-cheers
Munificent-class star trek edition
The back area kind of looks like the Providence to me.
In the original un-remastered TOS episode ‘Arena’ we never saw the Gorn ship.
That aft view at 15:16 ...add a third nacelle and you've nearly got the Liberator from Blake's 7.
Yep those nacelles do indeed look an awful lot like Neutron blasters but are no where near as bulky ruclips.net/video/XzwmgqSnHjM/видео.html
My apologies because my question has nothing to do with this ship. Gentlemen, I miss your top 10 videos. I was wondering what your favorite ships are for the Discovery universe? Thank you for being so efficient in your work. As always, please continue making it so.
Mike P Discovery Universe lol. I like that.
EvilSpock
Thanks my fellow Trekkie
I don't see why they are called top ten when it is clearly two peoples top 5 ships.
The discs on Gorn ships are thicker but smaller in diameter than most federation saucers. As for reptilian I've heard discs and oval sections on Gorn ships compared to eggs.
In the SFB role play info they mention their are actually 3 reptile species or subspecies that created the Gorn nation in game.
Nice! Is this your first ever Gorn ship? Don't remember any. Coincidentally I was reading a TNG Graphic Novel with the Gorn.
Just wondering but has a Gorn Ship ever been shown on TV? (I don't even remember if we saw the Gorn outside of TOS).
That's the Fed Fast Destroyer in the last pic. The rounded-triangular primary hull is also used on Fed ships like the Fast Cruiser (a Connie with that saucer) and the Light Raiding Dreadnought.
Surprised no shuttle bay. I would also expect the Gorn ships to have a lot larger hallways to accomodate their larger size. Also Escape pods? I also didn't see an external docking hatches either... I think the Gorn need a lot more exploring!
Whomever made the render made a mistake. You should see shuttle bay doors on either side of the central section since the round spots on the wings are launchpads for shuttles and a track system links the shuttle bay to the launchpads on the wings.
Interesting to see these ships I otherwise never would have stumbled across! And your analysis helps understand them and how they fit into Star Trek.
Sidenote- I'm wondering when you'll be sharing things from the Wrath of Ticonderoga and also the interviews such as with Sir Patrick? I know the Orville and Discovery were breaking news and you were saving the big projects for a special occasion, just wonder how soon that occasion might be? ;)
Have been very much looking forward to it, took part in the Indiegogo and live chats and can't wait to see what you've produced from Mission Canada 2 and all the people you met and interviewed there, and also the access Sir Patrick gave you as a part of his charity. I'm sure it's great, can't wait!
Dale Stafford yeah, been awaiting those as well. Should be brilliant, seeing the Commander with whom I shall call the Fleet Admiral.
Yeah mate.
I never touched SFB. But I was a big fan of the Starfleet Command games which were mostly based off it. But the Gorn in that were very different.
I'd like to see you compare and contrast the SFB Gorn ship designs with the FASA Gorn ship designs. Also, if you Google Gorn ships, you'll see some updates of the SFB Gorn ships, from the Starfleet Command Video Game Universe, which do have a lot of pointy bits, which should suit Commander Cockings.
Also seen in Klingon Academy too. Is this related to the SFB idea of having three Gorn subspecies?
Going, Going, Going, Gorn.
i was a big fan of the SFB gorn designs , i was less of a fan of the fasa and STO Gorn ships they seem too "blocky" too me .thanks for doing these episodes Guys
ADB, the company that produces SFB, has recently been re-doing all of their miniatures through Shapeways. I think there are already over 600 new SFB miniatures available on Shapeways if people are interested in seeing lots of ships from lots of different SFB races. They haven't done the Gorn DN yet, but here is a link to the Gorn BC on Shapeways. I've always thought that the Gorn BC was every bit as classic a design as the Fed CA, Klingon D7, & Romulan Warbird.
www.shapeways.com/product/Y49DA3JLD/3125-scale-gorn-allosaurus-buck-battlecruiser-bc?optionId=64855239
I gotta ask with the topic of starfleet battles, any chance of covering any of the ships in the game that was based on that, starfleet command as I would love to see a new render of the Okinawa class federation frigate and the TMP era drednaught brought back to life in a modern form, as I'm still kinda holding out hope that either of those two or the premonition get remade as a real life model somehow. as I honestly love those far more than the enterprise really
as I would stick in that frigate for as long as possible just given how much more advanced it looked and how quick and nimble it was.
And the deflector on the image should be a plasma R according to the ssd and it crew complement is 660 and boarding parties 300
Attach the cargo pod trains that we saw attached to the freight runners in Enterprise to the sides of the mid hull section and it'd fit right in to appear in either ENT or TOS.
A cool looking two-feet totem pole in space.
The most interesting thing in this video is the ship with the yellowish coloring in the back of that last picture of a space battle. It looks sorta like the Klingon redesign ships in Discovery. I would really like to know what kind of ship that is, where it comes from, what race built it, etc.
MarvelX42 the ship in question is a Lyran Lion Class Dreadnought. Lyrans are a felinoid race specific to SFB, and share a common border with the Kzinti ( to say they hate each others guts is a huge understatement!)
SFB didn't give "flavor text" class names to their ships, the naval class descriptor (Light Cruiser/CL, Heavy cruiser/CA, battleship/BB, Dreadnaught/DN, etc., was all that was ever used, in keeping with the wargame aspect. The Honorverse "superdreadnaught" designation wasn't in vogue, wasn't used back then)
They actually do have class names, but those weren't shown on the SSDs.
Only real Gorn starships are from Starfleet Command;P And on that pic with many other ships, they are: Red one with three nacelles - Mirak Star Leauge who is shoot at Lyran cruiser, rest you know;)
It is perfectly possible for 2 separate cultures with no contact to come up with the same ship design or design ques.
The rear of those engine nacelles remind me of the center front of Blake 7's Liberator.
I fondly remember SFB and played it for many years. I'm not crazy about this "updated" version. The original was black and those are numbers. The silver outlined orange triangle is the Gorn symbol. There was no lighted areas at all. These cruisers were formaible foes for any race. I remember they had two different kinds of plasma torpedoes. One was similar to the Romulan type and the other was a faster loading less powerful. The Gorn had high tolerance for radiation of several types and humans couldn't last long unprotected aboard one of their ships. I loved playing SFB and I could regularly beat most any players. If I had my favorite combo. A Klingon F-5 frigate or Frigate leader (usually) and it's 6 pseudo-fighters with packs. I had one F-5 that had no less than 3 Fedy Dreagnauts kills in single ship to ship combat. I discovered that all Federation ships have a major weakness. Fire two or three drone salvos to hit in the same turn which drains their phaser fire then finish them off !
I'm overjoyed with you doing some Star Fleet Battles ships. I loved playing Lyran ships and the Cruiser was my favorite ! I'd like to see you doing something on them in the future. Great job on this one !
Dammit. Now I have to go dig up my SFB copy. I'm pretty sure I still have it somewhere.
whelk
I wish I could do that. The Commanders Rule Book was a good read besides being an excellent rule book. But I let some of my fellow Klingons borrow it and they loaned it to someone who quit the ship without giving it to me.
I like it!
Wouldn't the Gorn have taken weaponry cues from the Klingons, given that they live close to Klingon space rather than Romulan? Also the Gorn ship at 17:06 looks more like the Gorn Destroyer-Battlecruiser. They look alike but these wings are thinner and more swooped.
IN SFB Gorn and Klingons are on opposite sides of the federation starfleetgames.com/ArtGallery/images/Xander%20Fulton%20Art/map_wallpaper.jpg
How do StarFleet ships connect to Human(noid) physical appearance..
Stand Enterprise up on its warp nacelles... Legs/arms, a body, and a head;-)
Imagine looking at it from above or below, with the saucer at the top of view. A CA (and most of the heavier ships) would look like an armless humanoid with an oversized head. The battleship would look like a humanoid with short arms and legs and an oversized head.
Gorn probably need physically larger ships due to psychological reason. One their size, over 2 meters, may mean enclosed spaces give them anxieties. Think interiors with 4 meter ceiling. Another factor would be their environmental requirements, hot and dry or hot and humid? Are Gorn endothermic? Do Gorn have a family based society and travel with their family?
There is a lot to think about going into designing an alien race technology.
will you also be doing ships from klingon academy & ships from novels like the ship that was the inspiration for the vengeance the federation class star empire?
Wheres part 2 on the birds of prey?
Comes out on Saturday :) the full shows come out Saturday and the Mission Briefing Discussion shows come out on Wednesday.
BIRDS of Prey...thank you. ;)
Just to add something in here, Having played SFB for years and years, This is not a "Dreadnought Cruiser" It looks like a lot more like a Gorn Heavy Battle Cruiser, The Gorn Dreadnought have three disks no two
ADB's actual Gorn BCH (heavy battle cruiser)
www.starfleetstore.com/gorn-ships-c-41_72/gorn-heavy-battlecruiser-p-883.html
hyperiontheevil The ship is def the Dreadnought. The one with the forward and rear saucers and wings in middle is the battlecruiser, which is what the link uv provided is.
Actually it is a dreadnought. It's the newer DNs built by giving the rear bubble of a cruiser an extreme stretch, hence DN-CA. It actually says so on the wallpaper rendering. I think it's ugly and prefer the 3 Bubble DN design.
Here is a better version of the BCH ruclips.net/video/dSopdwZJ4H0/видео.html
Now i'm remembering why i quit playing SFB. Way too much of this kind of thing? A Dreadnought Heavy Cruiser? Why not a Heavy Frigate Space Control Ship? or a Heavy Battle Tug Carrier Dreadnought. The root of the problem is with Stephen Cole who is a man is firmly trapped in the 70's and really hasnt had an original idea since then.
There is nothing in SFB called a "DN Heavy Cruiser". This ship appears too be an older rendering of a Gorn BCH (Heavy Battle Cruiser), but it is drawn a little differently than this today. One things is that engines connect to the center hull on Gorn ships now, not the rear bubble.
Thats's what i said but I know Steven V Cole who originally designed SFB. The man has always been looking for the next dollar ,he creates these one-off ship for one-time in game scenarios and then are never seen again. But he makes them to sell this product or that. It's the reason why ADB has never caught on with the public at large. Even back in the 80's and 90's when i played you easily spend thousands of dollars on the rule set, SSD (Ship System Display) books, expansions. It's basically scam with Cole always scratching the bottom of the barrel of ideas to make his next buck
I wish the SFU series was not ending after a month!
Then donate some cash to them and make a note it is to do more SFB. You don't donate you don't get.
Your awesome
Is good to see this older designs. I find them ranging from good to bad in some cases but at least these guys have the excuse that they didn't know any better at the time :) and it wasn't much material to work from. Unlike some newer designs from a recent series that had all this stuff that predated it and still managed to fuck it up.
Simplicity can be a virtue, in some designs.
I think SFB designs beat any and all other Star Trek designs. There was reasoning and thought put behind the designs instead of just making them look pretty.
Many races like the Gorn during the war simply chopped and combined smaller ships to create larger ones for war and quicker production. These were built for fast war production and not built to last.
For example In the case of the Gorn they took a light Cruiser hull and added a 2nd saucer to the rear to make a Heavy Cruiser. Chop the Heavy Cruiser again and add another saucer and now you have a dreadnaught...
Having major changes to every single ship design is a huge waste or resources.
It isn't just the war designs being less durable (bot in and out of combat), they also lack the stores to operate for as long as the pre-war designs without resupply. In wartime, of course, they are both expected to be lost much sooner and to always be operating with direct access to the supply network (not out doing exploration missions in the back of beyond, which are real places in the Starfleet Universe, every major race has such a region) so neither of these drawbacks are problems in wartime conditions.
This looks more like a civilian UFP ship.
There wasn't a class name but there was a Federation dinosaur code name. I don't remember the DN's code name though. In the original design form, the DN was a 3 saucer.
This was a mean ship. Refitted, and the refit wasn't a big refit, it's probably one of the top 10 solo combatants in the galactic powers. Note that under the rules, ships like that had to have escorts. You would never be flying one solo. It's a fleet leader. I think the only Dreadnoughts that can go toe to toe with it are the ISC (ISC ships are powerful because they sat back and watched while everyone fought, created a fleet doctrine, then built ships that had learned all the lessons), the Romulan Condor (Romulans built their own ships later than everyone else, so they got to work from existing data) and maybe the Federation's final Dreadnought refit, the DNG. The Federation had the first Dreadnought. It was the best command cruiser in the game. The full blown DN+ was a true fleet DN, but the DNG incorporated the lessons of the General War.
Of course, the Dominator could wipe the floor with it but... well. Andromeda.
They have a lot of phasers because their primary foes use plasma torpedoes (Romulans and ISC).
There are actually 4 races from the Gorn home system. One is very bestial and one was fairly small. The two in the middle size are more... normal looking?
The original one we see in ToS is one of the 'middle' species.
Gorn ships use a 'balcony and track' shuttle system, the shuttles actually track out on to the wings, and are launched from there. It has some advantages and disadvantages.
You have to understand, they were working from old drawings when they designed new races out of nearly whole cloth. They had detailed plans for Romulan, Fed, and Klingon ships only. All the plans were covered in phasers, which is why everyone ended up using them.
The ships in that massive furbal are: A Romulan, I forget the class but it was less popular than the War Eagle. The red ship is Kzinti, a felinoid race of really big lion/tigerish cats that use disruptors and drones heavily. I think that's probably a Destroyer. The Federation ship is I think a scout. The Klingon is an F-6 'Frignought'. The yellow ship in the back is I think a war cruiser. It's definitely Lyran. Lyrans are a lynx-ish cat race. They HATE the Kzinti and vis versa. Almost everyone has fought everyone at some point but during the General War the sides were the Feds-Kzinti-Gorn-Hydrans vs. Lyran-Klingon-Romulan.
i thought it was three Gorn races? Or is my SFU knowledge out of date?
The names were T-Rex for the Dreadnought (DN), Spinosaurus for the Heavy Dreadnought (DNH), and Alectosaurus ofr the light Dreadnought (DNL). These were names assigned by Federation analysts.
That's the Fed Fast Destroyer in the battle pic.
Maybe it was 3 and the dead race (P'vaani?) were the 4th. It's been a decade or two since I looked at any of it. And yeah, that's a 'fast' Federation ship. I didn't play with the 'fast' ships much so I don't really recognize them. They came at the end of my 'career'. I think some of the later artwork of the DN related Gorn classes were pictured with the oblong rear hull (still drawn with the 3 circles on the SSD).
Wonder what Fuley thinks of the Gorn Star Fleet Command designs. Personally I really liked them but they where completely different then SFB.
I would love to see Samuel to make a 3D rendering of this ship.
T-Rex class
One thing that always bothered me about that episode was ... How was ANYONE supposed to know the Gorn claimed that as their space? What sort of markers did they put out to let others know to stay out? The Gorn obviously knew and studied the Federation outpost for quite some time... and had to know they didn’t seem to be aware of the Gorn at all. A warning of some sort that the Feds were trespassing would have been in order I would think...
interesting design actually reminds me more of star wars ships in its aesthetic.
why dont you talk about the SSD and its place in the game and when it came out what was its competion.
It's definitely not Gornese. It's Gornch. ;)
Paint it white and it looks like a federation ship. A Gorn ship would be totally alien with scale-like hull plates and whip-like sensor arrays protruding from the "mouth" of the ship. Whoever thought up this goofiness doesn't have any imagination.
Actually, they were probably looking forward to the possibility of selling miniatures, and the kind of features you suggest would be really hard to cast.
Not especially a fan of the design, although the shape is interesting, but I am enjoying the theme so keep up the good work, lads.
Gorn territory is no where near Romulan space according to the Star charts.
Robert Hayes it is in this particular game universe 😉
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I think this design and the canon TOS Remastered Gorn ship do not evoke what little we see of the Gorn. They're too spindly and delicate for a species that big and tough. The Klingon Academy/Starfleet Command designs do a better job of emphasising Gorn bulk and durability.
Lyrans please.
JR. Like more of good you future years
Starfleet vessels looks much better ;)
wsi trek would rather look at this than the pizza cutters the Federation calls ships
With a pizza cutter, you can cut a pizza into 8 "First Order Dreadnought" pieces.
wsi trek not before the nacelles and saucer gets blown off. Starfleet ship designs never made much sense
It really looks more like a 22nd century earth starfleet ship
That's a tos/ sfb Gorn frigate not a dreadnaught some one screwed up!
TBH I think the best verson of Gorn in the star trek expanded universe is the one in star trek online. And their ships there are good too.
if i ever saw this i would think its a fed ship...so i assume creativity was lacking back then. Or ... the ppl working on ST back then didnt think much of it.
made in 1979
I’m sorry to be a jerk-
I think you missed the mark on this one. All of your SFB content has been a little off, and it’s a shame as these are some of the earliest fan created designs with some real depth and character behind the in universe architecture and reasoning behind their choices. Drones, Fighters, Energy Allocation, Plasma Weapons- there is some good stuff in SFB.
I would really encourage you to go back and revisit this setting. As an adult going back and exploring this game has been rewarding. Especially where I find myself hungry for more vintage content. The General War- and also studying how the two continuities diverged. I always thought a SFB fan film would have been a lot of fun.
I think I’m this instance some research would pay itself back with some great episodes
It better whennyou stick to cannon
damien Wynn it is it's own universe ( which incidentally bits have bled into the official timeline 🙂)
Peter Clarke just prefer ships in the show rather than games and computer games lol
Sometimes SFB is the canon. Calling Romulan ships "Warbirds" comes from SFB, for example;-)
its AWFUL !
lesmoor kelly it's a gorn ship it's meant to be ugly.
klingon academy special, come on :-)