LUMIX S5II X Review // Mindblowing Highlight Recovery
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- LUMIX S5II X Review // Mindblowing Highlight Recovery
Once more Panasonic stepped up their game in terms of video focus hybrid cameras:
The Lumix S5 Mark II X. This camera records in ProRes, Raw over HDMI and really impressed me when it comes to dynamic range.
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00:00 Intro
01:21 Handling
03:20 Recording Format
05:00 Menu
05:36 Low Light
06:50 IBIS
08:00 AF
09:16 Image Quality
13:50 Conclusion
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Thank you for this. Makes me excited for what BMD and Panasonic can bring to the L Mount.
Yes true this would be amazing
In BRAW you can actually adjust ISO it just uses a different name: Exposure.
So shooting at ISO640 native gives you:
-2: ISO 160
-1: ISO 320
0: ISO 640
+1: ISO 1250
+2: ISO 2500
ISO4000 base:
-2: ISO 1000
-1: ISO 2000
0: ISO 4000
+1: ISO 8000
+2: ISO 16000
Keep in mind you'd need both over- and under-exposure luts for preview as well as shoot in native ISO for it to work and get the most DR out of camera, basically like shooting with Exposure index. ;)
You can also use highlight recovery as well, which extends dynamic range even further (+0.8 stops) in BRAW, that with the red gamut handling (no clipping) and much cleaner shadows without banding nor green tint as well as much better detail and texture really elevates the camera a lot and made it a game changer in its price class. :)
Thanks for your detailed feedback Dennis. And agree in this price point it makes it to a game changer
Hi!
So if I shoot in the 640 range will it retain details in the shadows or highlights?
I’m trying to work it out in my head. Is it similar to exposing a Blackmagic camera ?
wow, no one else mentioned the Braw limitations. Thanks for going over that. I've been on the s5iix for almost 2 months now and love it. I have been able to recover some INSANELY blown out live concert photos that were nearly all white and turned into some of my favourite photos yet oddly enough haha. Thanks for the video
Thanks Brendon I appreciate your feedback :)
@@pauleporterdp Do these limitations also apply to ProRes RAW with the Ninja V?
@@hellotoddsky I'm not sure since I don't use atomos at all.
Gotcha, thanks for getting back to me man 🙌🏻
You’re welcome ☺️
That’s highlight recovery is crazy good man . Will get mine tmrw , I am really looking forward to compare it with my fx3
Thanks for watching :) let me know what do you think compared to the fx3 :)
I own the S5IIX and the SmallRig Black Mamba cage.. the camera is very well secured and doesn’t require a second 1/4" thread, since it uses the camera strap eyelets to completely secure it. It doesn’t move at all.
I have the same cage on my R6. Still a dedicated thread is much better especially when heavy rigging the camera
Been saying this since I got my hands on the S5iiX, BRAW with this literally transforms the camera completely! It's insane. Pocket 6K with IBIS, AF, good battery life. Got a test scene I shot with BRAW on my channel, video coming out maybe next week on the benefits of it. Eventually I'll work on a deep dive analysis video.
Regarding BRAW, this time on the S5ii/X, it actually is equivalent to the BMPCC cameras, except for the ISO setting - but the exposure slider works the same way and is doing a gain operation, just mathematically slightly different. For the other gamma controls on the right side, if you select any of the Blackmagic color spaces, you get access to all of those just like you would on a BMPCC.
Thanks for your feedback and for watching this video. I’m looking forward to your video about it
SO with BRAW is the exposure slider changing the ISO but it's just tagged differently?
@@ro8144 ISO on same cameras changes the allocation of dynamic range, it doesn't do that here. Just slides the actual exposure up or down
Many thanks for your detailed review!
I own the original S5 and recently bought a Lumix S5 II and S5 IIx. Unfortunately I had to return both units, because they had exactly the same audio issue:
If you connect an external microphone via the jack audio input, there is a high frequency pulsating sound that doubles its frequency when you switch the frame rate from 25p to 50p. This annoying sound can only be heard very quietly, but it is disturbing in quiet passages during interviews, for example. And yes, it does not go away as soon as you hit record.
This is a step by step guide to reproduce the problem:
1. Set the camera to movie mode in a quiet room
2. Connect an external microphone to the Mic-Port (if it is a battery powered device, you can leave it switched off)
3. In the audio menu, set the „Sound Rec Gain Level“ to „Low“ (in „Standard“ the issue is less pronounced)
4. Set the Audio Level to Zero or + dB to emphasize the issue
5. Put your low impedance headphones on (e.g. EarPods) and note a pulsing high pitched interference sound
6. Press the lens lock/unlock button to make the sound disappear for some seconds
7. Toggle the Movie Recording Options from 25p to 50p to double the speed of the pulsing sound
8. Switch the dial “Movie Mode“ to Manual "M“ to hear the sound change it’s frequency
Please note: This interference do not occur using the onboard mics or the DMW-XLR1 unit.
Hi Martin, thanks for your feedback and I’m sorry to hear this.
Unfortunately I don’t have the S5 II x any longer since I had to send it back to Panasonic.
Interesting, I haven’t noticed anything like that on my S5IIX using my Sennheiser MKE 440 stereo mic. I’m in Canada though so my camera isn’t set in PAL. I’ll investigate further. Thanks for pointing that out!
Nice review. I'm looking forward to them releasing a higher readout sensor or one with less megapixels focused more on video. Panasonic went from having the best rolling shutter performance due to smaller sensors to having the worst on the S series.
True, Rolling shutter could be better. Thanks for watching
Thanks Paule for this video. I have to take a closer look at Panasonic. 😊
Thanks for watching mate
Excellent review! Very helpful real-world tests. My one question is, why is timecode so important for you? Are you often recording external audio? I am just curious if that is something I should also look for in a future upgrade.
Thanks Nathan. Yeah I often record externally audio wether with a boom operator or my zoom F6 is plugged into the mixer.
I also have a lot of shots on bigger events where I have multiple cameras and audio for the statements is done by a boom operator and I get also an audio signal out of the stage audio. That’s why tc is very important. Sure I can jam the audio into the mic Jack of the LUMIX but in this case one TC device needs to be permanently attached to the LUMIX
Gotcha, I appreciate the reply! I don't often have to worry about audio with smaller shoots, but TC is helpful to think about, as productions can get bigger/working with more people.@@pauleporterdp
Yes exactly
A good in depth review of the Lumix S5 II X.
Thanks I’m glad that you like it :)
Great video. I'm glad that you used the 24-105 for your tests. Have you also used it for your low light ISO test?
Thank you so much.
No for for the low light I used my 50mm Vintage lens
@@pauleporterdp Excellent. I also have the S5IIX with the 24-105. That said, I'll definitely check out picking up a prime lens. Quality was stellar!
Thank you 🙏
Great thorough overview, thank you! Inside of Resolve, which slider/module do you use to dial in exactly plus/minus 1EV (aka 1 stop of light)?
Thanks for your comment and watching the video.
In the HDR wheels under the offset is a slider to adjust the brightness by stops
@@pauleporterdp Awesome, thanks!
Thanks for the video. I still have the original S5. I shot a feature film on it, into the Ninja and was totally blown away by it, wonderful image and never missed a beat on a tough 25 day shoot. I don't feel the need to upgrade yet and I am wondering if the delay on the S1H II is due to the latest Sony going Global Shutter. Lumix uses Sony sensors, after all, maybe...S1H global shutter??? I might be tempted with that.
Thanks for your feedback. Yes I’m also stocked to see what lumix will come up with in the next s1h :)
Excellent review! Did you notice moire patterns on the s5ii due to the lack of AA filter to the sensor?And if so is it going to be a problem on professional work?
Personally I haven’t noticed that. So yes it could be.
If you have a talent wearing a shirt with a fine pattern on it it will be distracting for sure.
I'm buying a used S1H for this exact reason. OLPF. I don't really care about autofocus, so that's not an issue for me. Great review, thanks so much for sharing.
Hi Paule. When you talk about multi stop overexposure recovery, can you tell us which codec you used. I guess you use 10 bits o e and not braw, but is it internal 200-600 Mbits all I/LGop or external prores and is log activated. Well you know what I mean...
Hi Rudi, es explained in the video I did the test twice one in BRAW and one in the All Intra Codec. The result is basically the same.
which recording codecs did you use for the low light shot ?
from some other demo's I've seen the all-intra to ssd recording seems very clean in low light , possibly because it maintains the camera noise reduction or because of other factors.
Hello and thanks for watching. For low light I used the All-intra codec and noise reduction was turned off as it’s also the default setting. Unfortunately RUclips cleans the noise up but on my monitor it was pretty noise above native ISO
@@pauleporterdp
I see , my impression from other videos is that the internal noise reduction does a pretty good job , on the fx3 you can’t even turn it off so all it’s low light footage looks cleaner but always softer imo
@@solarion33 Hi I would always try to shoot anyway in Native iso low light so VLog and raise iso in post if possible in braw or Proresraw if you can because NR in camera is ok but Neat or Resolve NR has far superior and anyway raw footage is noisy per se...
Nice vid! About the timecode, couldn’t you use an external timecode generator? Like the tentacle sync or similar devices
Thanks man, yes you could but only into the mic Jack so as with other mirrorless cameras.
The S5X has timecode as a menu option .. at least on mine it does
Yes but it’s only for having an internal one. But proper tc means that should be able to receive external tc signals or giving the internal tc out to by synced with other devices but both is not possible unfortunately
is your desk microphone plugged in and being used or is it there as a prop?
Hi Jeff, yes it is plugged in but I clamped the cable to the backside of the Stand so that on camera the cable is not visible
Very nice review and excellent camera. Panasonic nailed it again.
But since I dont need auto-focus I dont feel to upgrade from a Lumix S1H
Thanks for your feedback I really appreciate it
The no internal pro-res thing is because of Apple. Panasonic wanted to make it record internal pro-res at 4k, but Apple said no. So Blackmagic is still you're only option. It's fine by me. If you're recording video files that big you're gonna need the speed and space of an external drive anyway, plus it keeps camera cooler that way.
Thanks for your insights that makes sense to me.
BRAW internal would be incredible 😭 Come on Blackmagic. I hope their new L-Mount partnership gives it to us in the S1H II
13:23 Well, the competition doesn't have 4K 60 uncropped either:-). I think that's more of a feature for the S1H II.
Thanks for watching and yes we will see what Panasonic comes up with
What lens did you use for low-light? Cause if you say it's just okay and you compared used an F4 with the S5 II and compared it to another camera with an F2.8 or F1.4, it doesn't say much. :(
My S5 II X with an F2.8 is a low-light beast (not to mention using it with an F1.4 lens... 🤤 )
Thanks for Watching. I used for the low light test the 50mm f1.4 lens.
But regardless the Lens I started exposing for ISO 1600 at f2.8 and everytime I increased the ISO by one stop I stopped down the lens to get the same exposure.
So yes it’s good to use a fast lens for low light but this test only should show the ISO performance.
@@pauleporterdp Ah okay, that makes sense. So it may not be the best low-light camera, but it's still capable.
But yeah, over ISO 6400 you definitely do need to use De-Noising (the one from Resolve works wonders!).
Yes that’s true :)
hi , usefull and nice review.I think my s5iix looks sharp enough even at -5 settings ,I have s5 also and it is not so sharp (which is something i prefer) am i doing something wrong?
Thanks for your feedback. Hm many factors could cause this. What lens are you using?
@@pauleporterdp usually 35 lumix lens 1.8 and 85 mm also lumix
Would you get this over a fx30 to pair with a 6kpro?
Yes I would :)
Really interesting to see where camera manufacturers put their latitude.
My Nikon Z8 in RAW gives me an easy 8 and almost 9 stops of usable latitude, with a little bit more than 4 stops over and under. Hopefully Panasonic can offer better than Prores Raw one day.
Thanks for watching.
Wow never tested a Nikon but I definitely should try that
Can buy two of these for the price of one Z8 though lol.
@@ro8144 then you'll own 2 cameras that cant do internal 12-bit raw
Nikon z8 has poor battery life, also Panasonic has better autofocus for a cheaper price. Win in my book.
Is the under exposure recovery still as bad in BRAW? Did you test this?
Yes it is the same wether you shoot raw or compressed same for the over exposure
Thanks for the info! :)
You’re welcome
Does s5iix ibis still work, while shooting 4k24p external braw?
Thanks for watching and supporting my channel.
Yes it does work when recording externally
@@pauleporterdp thank you
A follow up question - i have been considering lumix s5 ii x or canon c70 as I'm preparing for some future documentary projects. Both can be paired with 24-70mm f2.8 (heck canon even has 28-70 f2) and 50mm f1.4 with linear focus option. Both can record 12 bit raw (external braw vs internal raw st with canon log2). Both have just enough autofocus and stabilization I need (s5iix has an edge here). I run audio externally so i don't mind missing c70 mini xlr. But c70's internal nd are awesome.
My question is all these physical features can be worked out in either of the cameras. But how does a 4k24p image of s5iix external braw compares to c70's dgo sensor's internal raw st with canon clog2?
Ps i have been working with braw for a while now and I'm used to it. Planning to upgrade the image quality+dynamic range. Don't know which direction to go. Even considered new bmcc 6k ff, but lack of AF for the kind of project is making me move towards s5iix or c70.
Thank you.
I also own the c70 alongside my S1H and red Komodo.
So the c70 has a very nice image and for what you describe I would pick hands down the c70
The sensor in this camera is just amazing
i see that you really like komodo highlight rolloff and image - how the panasonic compare to the komodo?
Thank you for watching.
It keeps up very well but the S1H is a bit better. Keep an eye on my upcoming video.
i will - i hope to see some budget camera with better image then komodo - even with external recorder
@@pauleporterdp
Do you see any difference between the 12 bit braw on the panny and the red raw from the komodo?
@@pauleporterdp after i saw this video i was inspired and i created video about s5IIx with footage to my channel (Braw) - great image
Holy moly 😊
Thanks for watching 👀
Servus…you had already great result with S5 org with Blackmagic video assist…have it and I think I have better result with ProRes raw NinjaV converted to CDNG you have then more control in resolve and better image…ok S5 have not PDAF but for raw manual it is great…
Thanks for your feedback. Yeah in general it’s quite interesting how technology and raw capabilities have evolved on the mirrorless cameras
Panasonic makes some solid bodies, great IBIS, good colors, BUT just do not move,,,stand still because the AF is so old, you will be better off drawing the image with a pen..Actually it's a DECENT AF, like better than not having any AF...I would love to shoot studio working with one, or live streaming..
Thanks for watching and your feedback :)
@@pauleporterdp anytime...
Yeah, Internal Timecode! Do u hear that Panasonic-Lumix? 😎😎
Would be awesome 😎
The GH4 have no in body stabilisation...
Yes but the Gh5
It looks great at 12800, strange that you show disappointment.
Thanks for watching and your feedback.
What I’m saying is referring to that what I saw on my monitor.
Unfortunately after RUclips compression you don’t see the noise that much anymore.
LUMIX S5iiX Touch Screen ????
What do you mean?
@@pauleporterdp i mean This Camra screen Finger touch or only using Buttons???
Both you can use the screen or also buttons.
"Recording externally is never as good as shooting internally." What? That is incorrect.
What I meant is if you record raw internally on a blackmagic is much better since you get much more adjustments in post as compared to recording blackmagic raw externally
60p crop is a deal breaker for me.
Thanks for watching, yeah I totally understand that
Zcam E2 F6 pro
Zcam E2 M5G
These are great cameras
Sony A7S III better image quality
Depends on how you define „better“?
I think Sony looks very digital and the Lumix s5 has a nice organic look.
But it all comes down what do you prefer
@@pauleporterdp Need to shoot in Slog3 on the Sony then grade.
I own the FX3 and I'm literally researching this camera because I hate the colors and digital image and miss the filmic and natural look of panasonic
Totally agree. In my mind Sony looks very digital
Just another repetitive commercial☹.
The camera is indeed that great