Why I had to build an Ammo Company
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- Опубликовано: 26 фев 2024
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As a hand loader I would always blame the ammo first. I never had a factory firearm that didn’t shoot far better with hand loads.
Yes, and it goes across calibers. I have shot 10’s of thousands of pistol rounds and the best ones are the ones I load and tune to the gun.
I agree, made many “not so good” shooters into remarkable shooters. 99% of the time I’d lay blame with the ammo.
for accuracy proof cards, i think the minimum should be 5 shot groups. 8-10 i think is best, because by then it's incredibly unlucky it's anomalous accuracy which is always bad for verification. So glad to see your shot cards are showing atleast 5 and one showed 10.
Thanks!
Bean counters everywhere disagree
LOL true! @@RubiconJoey
Agreed! I love seeing all these rifle manufacturers say “submoa guaranteed” reads fine print (if we can’t duplicate a 3 shot sub moa group from ransom rest within 99 try’s we will replace the barrel, if we can you will pay for all expenses in sending us the rifle and checking). So they just shoot and shoot until they get that 3 shot group and boom it’s sub moa rifle.
Unless it's a heavy barrel you can't count on it staying tight after 5 usually
I started using a Hornady comparator and measured the length of my fired ammo to the shoulder, and then resized the brass to match those dimensions minus .002 of an inch. The minus .002 was to make sure the brass would chamber while filling the chamber as much as possible. This has improved the accuracy of my handloaded ammo since now there is no room for the cartridge to be off center to the barrel.
*Desert Tech* Bravo well done, thank-you sir for taking the time to bring us along. GOD Bless.
Your welcome thanks for being a part of our journey!
The problem is with ammo manufacturers is they end up substituting other powders or components and never tell anybody. Hornady did this along with Remington quite recently. I bought a few boxes of Remington that had four different colored primers in them that all hit the different point of aim. Substituted large pistol primers for small pistol primers and 450 bushmaster casings along with substituting powders because they couldn’t get components. Then you wonder why your groups mysteriously open up? Good thing I reload.
Love the scientific mindset. This will guide you to the best product! Awesome work, great story!
Wish we had weapon/ammo manufacturers like this in Australia with these standards. Jealous
As an AR owner in both major calibers for many years- the quality of ammo plays a huge role in repeatability. I generally warm up with ball ammo and then break out the match grade. Huge difference. Looking forward to trying your products.
Yes, about making your own ammo is very important from personal experience
Great content. Love that it comes right from thee Man himself.
Great video matching the right ammo makes a big difference
Nice work 😎.
I told my wife after Shot Show that if ever I can save it up, I’m getting a Desert Tech .50 BMG for my channels.
We have demo rifles occasionally at a discount, check in now and again.
That was a dangerous sentence you just said, "we want to guarantee that the ammunition is flawlessly accurate", that's what i call the apple approach, we only want our customers to user our products because everything else is garbage, i have absolutely nothing against you guys selling and marketing your own ammunition, i however do have a big issue if the marketing goes in the direction of "our guns only shoot well with our ammunition", the noble thing to do would be to test a wide variety of ammunitions, in a blind test of course, and then show your customers which products, in addition to your own, perform well, at that point they already spent money on your gun, they already are a customer of yours, and service like this differenciates a good company from a great company
I'm surprised you were able to find any ammo that shoots poorly out of the SRS! I made the switch to the A2 right as it launched and precision shooting has never been so easy ever since, it feels like cheating when I pick it up compared to my friends' generic modern chassis rifles (except an AI which shoots essentially equivalently well). I think the bullpup nature allows you to get much thicker and stiffer barrels than you normally would while still being very handy and short, in addition to the extremely long direct clamping length of the receiver/barrel interface and it's what I'd consider "inherently" accurate as a platform.
I agree! 😀
With the problem I have in my Sako quad in .22lr in terms of grouping, I hope one day to see Desert Tech .22lr match ammo :D
If you’re an absolute maniac you can reload .22lr. People do it. Don’t know why, but they do.
@@albundy7459only people who reload 22 is the 22 ELR guys to shoot 50+ grain copper solids (since factory doesn't offer high performance long range ammo)
The most accurate .22lr ammo is rws r50 and sk pistol match special in a close second which is rebranded lapua
Informative and interesting video. Great thinking. I'm getting more and more impressed by Desert Tech. Br Michael from Sweden
Thanks for watching!
This is a great story!
Thanks!
Yes sir, it's been happening for year's. I load, but the powders I need aren't out there for grab.
Do you outsource for brass and bullets? If so, who do you utilize?
Love how good the ammo looks, but man the price is just not there. At least for me, because I'm a poor 😅
Are you running Hogdon temperature stable powder?
Is the 3 way muzzle device shooting biased? ( some brakes are biased for right handed shooting) 223 is nice to run ,tolerable without ear pro. . The 308 felt like i got sucker punched in the right side of my head(I am lefty) .
Im used to the left ear getting more volume/ pressure than right , I assumed it was due to proximity to the machine over the years with service m16, 8mm Mauser ,sks , ar15, 6.5x55 sweedish Mauser and 308 Winchester bolt none of theas are bad enough to prevent taking a 2nd shot from pain. Your mdrx FE is the only that felt like a 2x4 upside the wrong side of my head.
Would shiming the brake to rotate 180° help direct the back blast away from me? ( and relocating the comp holes to maintain there function)
The ratchet compensator is pretty loud. I run double Earpro with mine and that fixed it.
As one Russian sniper expert and instructor said " Excellent result in accurate shooting is done by the next ratio : it's one third the weapon , one third the ammo and the last third is the shooter" . If any of the 3 factors is not up to the task, so to say, no matter how good the other 2 factors are ,you won't be getting the results wanted or expected
Military needs to buy cheaper ammo for shorter distances and more expensive match ammo for longer distance.
To tell the difference they will need manufacturers to colour one of the cases.
Why not put rifle grooves on the projectile as well as the barrel?
funny when someone buys a .338lpm they don't understand ballistics from the ammo they're using in a expensive precision rifle, bullet accuracy is determined but weight, velocity and matching them with the twist rate of the barrel
You mentioned to watch a video about brakes and how they affect accuracy? Can you post please? Also is your ammunition available to the general public? Thank you.
I’ll get it posted this Thursday. Just about have it done. 👍🏻
It is good ammo. I have used multiple calibers in the past.
Ammo is ridiculously expensive right now and keeps going up. Are you sure you're not just getting on the bandwagon to make a boatload of money from us? I hope you're the next Palmetto State Amory in ammo manufacturing. They really have an admirable business model.
We have been making ammo for more than 10 years.
No it's not expensive, but bulk and not local. They mark it up depending on how bad they need money. A good FFL will be fair about the prices. Now if shooting stuff is not offered in bulk then look around more. Don't just go for a brand name. Lately 6.5 Creedmore from S&B has been very good at grouping. .224 Valkyrie from Federal is working well there.
@@DesertTechUTYou're in Utah? I'm in Utah also and have never heard of you guys. What I've found is that high quality barrels shoot cheap ammo better than low-quality barrels. So are your barrels such low quality that they can't get any decent groups out of cheap ammo? I think that's why the Georgia military was confused about your stuff and you have to fly over there to solve the problem?
A match chamber and lapped barrel wont make up for crap ammo period. Unless you can explain how a quality barrel can make up for inconsistent bullet weight, charge weight, neck tension and seating depth....@LLCebuRider
@@LLCebuRider How have you not heard of Desert Tech? Have you been living under a rock for the last 15 years or something?
Also, bad ammo doesn't shoot well in anything. There are no magical barrels that make up for inconsistent loadings.
Love my Desert Tech SRS A1 rifle, but keep on having extraction issues. Especially with my Short Action Customs 22-250
My Desert Tech 6.5CM factory barrel is now doing similar
Plunger just doesn’t seam to kick the brass out, ends up laying on to of the magazine.
Any tips?
We can change out your plunger and springs for you. There is also a plunger in the extractor claw that we can replace and that should resolve it. call in and our customer service will take care of you 801-975-7272
@@DesertTechUT Wow, now that’s awesome customer service.
I will call them tomorrow
Many thanks for the quick response
any plans to make 7PRC ammo ?
Any plans in the future for some 9mm
I’ll keep an eye out for it. Do you sell in Cabela’s?
No but we ship from our website if you can’t find any locally.
Glad to see another manufacturer supplying the high-precision niche, with the mindset that repeatability is key. I'm curious though...what led you to decide that the right answer was to manufacture your own ammo instead of just telling customers to use the proven Lapua product that you were already using to validate your own rifles? You certainly didn't take the easy way out.
Because we saw inconsistencies between lots with Lapua.
You know how ammo comes in different package, different shape and sizes? Too some of us it's kind of annoying and cringe when the ammo package comes in different shape or sizes. Some of us want to maximize the amount of rounds we can fit inside 30 cal or 50 cal cans but at the same time keep the ammo package lot number just in case of recall. So Desert Tech do you guys consider or might think about this "package design" as one of your marketing?
Also do you have any plans to produce other calibers too?
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Accuracy, or rather Precision, is dependent on 3 basic variables; Firearm, Ammunition and Shooter.
If as a manufacturer you can control all the variables except for shooter, you can more easily achieve your goal of “Accuracy”.
Not all guns like the same ammo. This is why I myself reload. I literally get a set of reloading dies in the caliber as the gun.
How about pistol ammo. If I sight my red dot in with one certain ammo should I stay with that?
Usually pistol ammo will shoot the same point of impact because you’re closer to the target.
Accuracy is the reason i reload my own ammo .. it make a big difference in your grouping ...
Can you make 556?
If Sig Sauer had the same integrity and customer service as DesertTech I might actually consider buying one of their self-discharging pistols xD
I don't know how the 320's are still so popular. I expect once the US military adopts something it becomes beyond reproach in the publics eyes.
@DesertTechUT Sig lobbyists really sold us beach front property in Idaho on that one. I'm glad Glock and FN offer their respective models. Usually, "milspec" is a good baseline for a consumer to target because, in general terms, it means a set reliability target and parts availability.
What kind of ammunition do you plan on making in the future?
What do you want? 😀
@@DesertTechUT how about some 5.7
@@DesertTechUTDo you make any .416 Barrett? I have one of your HTI rifles with a .416 barrel
We don't make 416B ammo. Have you been struggling finding it? @@richardstryker3322
I second the request for 5.7mm
What was the ammo on the first certified test prior to the complain???
BH, I don’t remember the projectile they had loaded though.
@@DesertTechUT You guys prior to developing your ammo have been using a good enough ammo to certify the rifles? that was missing on the video but Anyway good luck!
your the ones whove been buying up all the reloader 26. havent seen that stuff for over 2 years
How could the Georgian's not have tested multiple types of ammo and discovered this on their own? It would be the 1st variable that any amateur would address should they be searching for better accuracy performance. That you had to fly over there to solve this obvious mystery is pretty ridiculous.
Consistency makes accuracy. Cheap ammo the bullet weights are so off from each other you will never get accuracy as well as the powder charges in them.
Because, why not? Jokes aside sir, what do you think of polymer cased ammunition? Do you think they are worth it?
He already mentioned polymer cased ammunition in a video. as i remember he said, that there is a lot of potential in polymer cased ammo. especially because the heat transfer in the chamber isnt that high as in regular brass cased ammo.
@@dazbag - okay. I'll find that.
Polymer case for assault rifles yes, but for precision work then no. Although FN recently made some steel case ammo that looks to be the best of both worlds it is very light weight and it also has accurate brass. It was a part of a program I didn't hear about until after I made my NGSW video.
Sounds will have been be a suppressor problem next lol
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I'm anxious to watch the next video. I have 2 Elite Iron cans for the HTI I haven't tried yet.
if you could also include your test barrel length and twist rate in your ammo spec data that would be great. velocity range MOA all dont mean jack shit if you basically lie to people by using a 22 inch AR15 barrel with a 1:6 twist or some shit.
26” barrel length was used. Ammo caliber is notated.
Yes, I felt this way when I bought the MDRX.
Me too. 😀 that’s why I made the WLVRN. The mdr’s accuracy is improved with a good silencer though.
so this is the reason that in movies they cant get the hero with the minigun :)
@deserttech;
For all the discussion on barrel dynamics, I've never seen any scientific measurement done in the sub-microsecond realm... Barrel tuners have an effect, good or bad, and the difference in mass distribution at the muzzle seems to be in sub-millimeter ranges from great to awful... I'm a "test & measurement" guy, so it's an interesting challenge.
Cheers
My ak can shoot 3 inch groups at 100 yds with steel cased ammo using a red dot. I would be so pissed buying a good gun like that shooting a 3 inch group lol
You guys should try designing a “improved” 8.6 black out using a 50bmg case, using the same dimensions, but scaled up bullet cartridge, etc or base it on the 338 Razorback if you want it to fit smaller magazines either way my guess the projectile I would be about .6-8 in diameter lol and with a 1-3 or a 1-1 twist also hollow points with expanding petals this thing would be crazy cool for subsonic and even supersonic shooting, (depending on whether you choose to 338 Razorback, or the 8.6 blackout as the model) It’s of course overkill for every single application ever but man would it be cool in your platforms?
Where to buy US Marine ammunition?
Ours outperforms the ammo the Georgians bought so we can hook you up if you want.
@@DesertTechUT ok how much for 6.5 Grendel?
Ammo selection matters? Who knew? I wonder if anyone else has ever stumbled upon this hidden epiphany.
Does this guy ever blink? Even when he fires a gun? damn
No there is no time to blink! 😳
i would have thought the first thing a military firearms operation would do is to test different ammunition before blaming a rifle. but do they get to choose who to buy ammo off?
No it's often contract sourcing at a bid value. Then it's fulfilled by the winner. Now if it's precision purpose I would think a military would be much more careful on its quality.
So who was the "other" ammo company???
I don't want to throw them under the bus. They are a good company and just had more than one offering, one that worked for more money and one that didn't for cheap. We don't over the cheap stuff at Desert Tech Munitions. :D
I am not a fan of US gun laws whatsoever, but I do love guns, and one of my dream jobs would be being an armorer.
I'm not a fan of gun laws, either. Anyone trying to restrict your ability to protect yourself is planning to harm you.
@@MrMagnaniman@MrMagnaniman, that is a stupendously untrue statement and blatant generalization. That is literally a textbook symptom of paranoid schizophrenia.
@@CharlieTheNerd91 On the contrary, it's a self-evident statement, a truism. It is literally the only motivation that can possibly exist for victim disarmament.
@@CharlieTheNerd91Why else disarm lawful citizens? What purpose would it serve, if not to harm them? Criminals dont buy guns like normal people, they buy them from the black market. Laws do not affect those who dont abide by laws.
@@Austrveg Are you serious? Why do you think people in the rest of the world do not run around killing each other with guns at the rates Americans do? I hope you realize that you have an extremist stance there, as in literally. Not that I want to start an obviously pointless discussion with you, but I have not heard of any proposed laws in recent history that had the goal of preventing Americans from owning weapons outright, so that is just a lot of alarmist BS in the first place. The world is not binary, "if people take away guns they want to harm you" again, that is paranoia, as in a scary, probably clinical level of paranoia, you are talking like an insane person, various watchlists are full of people with beliefs like yours. Also, since there is really no point in giving you more of a reason to spread that stuff around, I am blocking you, you are scary.
My best results are always out of saami spec.
Our cases maintain saami spec but we load our bullets out closer to the lands.
if you miss half the shots the ammo is twice s expensive
"but It costs more money!" the echoing cry of the average PSA user justifying his purchase.
"Next video"
Working on it this week. 😀
Are you close to the next video where suppressors were mentioned?
LoL, people cheaping out on ammo and wondering why their precision rifle isn't precise. You aren't saving money if you're not hitting your performance metrics.
They might not have been cleaning them properly either.
Please don't open your videos confusing accuracy with precision...
Accuracy and Precision are often used synonymously and one can argue which is which but what it comes down to is whatever someone wanted to call each is just an opinion of what label to give small groups and what label to give when hitting your point of aim. In truth it is two words that mean exactly the same thing but are interpreted how each person individually wants to interpret them. 👍
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LOL it is called double dipping. With this blokes logic a ammo that shoots well in my .308 would have to shoot well in most .308's and that is simply not true. So his logic is flawed. It is a great business idea. I sell you the gun and the ammo that shoots well, who cares if other ammo shoots crap in the rifle.. The fact remains that you need to try different ammo and see what shoots well in your rifle.
No its called guaranteeing the systems performance by controlling the rifle, ammo, and muzzle devices.
Blah blah blah, show me real people shooting real groups or gtfo. I can shoot 1/4 inch groups at 25 yards and take the paper and write it was at 200 yards and then say you should give me money for my product. I can also have 50 100 yard groups and any half decent ammo is going to give you at least 5 with cloverleafs.
I do not post accuracy targets that are not real. All of the targets I show are submissions for military programs, most went to Canada. You want to see video of us shooting small groups we have lots of them on our channel.
I like this.I look forward to purchasing a rifle
NEED A 6.5MM GRENDEL FROM 95GR TO 130GR I NEED 2900FPS TO 3000FPS FROM A HEAVY 20"BARREL WITH A 1/8TWIST
The merchant of death
Changing the subject, Desert tech MDR seems cool but I think a bullpup can have a trigger that rivals the tradicional style rile trigger. It would require a redesign but it can be done.
@01MeuCanal;
I've been thinking about this quite a bit, as well, and the type of "coupling" that's necessary, since you need to have very tight tolerances on pressure, to get repeatable release pressure, and zero backlash. If batteries weren't such a pain in the neck, an electronic/electrical trigger would completely decouple the inteface to the firing pin release from the trigger "feel" at the finger... Might be a bit of an increase in lock time, not good, but..or, a "servo" interface? No slack, and variable feedback, and no influence on lock time.
@@lohikarhu734 I have an idea more simple. I think it can work but if I talk about that some one on the internet may steal my idea.
Accuracy, or rather Precision, is dependent on 3 basic variables; Firearm, Ammunition and Shooter.
If as a manufacturer you can control all the variables except for shooter, you can more easily achieve your goal of “Accuracy”.
100% agree. Our cheater pod and trigger helps a lot with the shooters marksmanship pitfalls.