Why Krist Novoselic Never Joined The Foo Fighters
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2023
- Political organizer, pilot, and the possible reincarnation of a comedy legend. Krist Novoselic has certainly kept busy since his days playing bass for Nirvana.
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Sunny day real estate bassist is amazing. Those are some talented people in that band
Never heard of the band to day
Before today
@@run4funs24 they're amazing
Such a great group ❤
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Does this mean that Dave and Krist in a band looks too much like Nirvana and puts too much pressure on the other bandmates to fill the role of Kurt?
or they thought people would think that they replaced kurt
Realistically, yeah, I think that's probably what he meant. Or maybe people would have thought Dave took advantage of Kurt's death to become the star front man.
There are conspiracy theories out there. I've heard from more than one person that they thought Dave may have been involved in Kurt's death, and replacing Kurt had been one of the motives. Personally, I think Courtney had him killed; there's evidence that she hired someone for that purpose, and even her father thought that she'd been involved.
Edit: now that I think about it more, it's possible that he *did* feel that detectives may have considered him more of a suspect. Jealousy is an extremely common motive for murder, and Dave became a front man after Kurt died. With Krist as the bassist, it definitely may have seemed as if Dave longed for more of the spotlight.
@@Metal_Horror you make good points. I also think Novaselic didnt have 'the look' for Foo in the mid 90s as he was super tall and maybe his hair was declining by that time so he instead got some younger looking ppl. If Dave felt "making other ppl uncomfortable" was his main concern he wouldnt have got Pat Smear either, but he did so it shows Dave was image oriented imo, all his comedy vids etc if the super tall novaselic was in them it wouldnt look as cool
@Metal_Horror lots of conspiracies just let it go. Each had their own set of demons to wrestle with.
@courtwatchaustralia I totally overlooked the fact that Pat joined. Now I'm totally lost about what he meant by the microscope comment, but It does make sense that he had image in mind. Most successful bands put effort into their aesthetic and image, and it's more important than many realize or are willing to admit.
Pat Smear wasn't just Nirvana's "occasional guitarist". He's a punk rock legend from long before that. That's how they knew who he was and wanted him.
He's both.
And also he wasn’t occasional, he was a full time member and just never made it on any albums before Kurdt died!
@@uncarbonatedcola9190he did he was on the from the muddy banks album
@@yakamarezlife That’s both a live album, and posthumously, I mean like a full, studio Nirvana Album like Bleach, In Utero or Nevermind
@@uncarbonatedcola9190It's Kurt, Kurdt is a typo in the album Bleach
I heard that Krist said no because he didn't want to put the pressure of 'being the new Nirvana' on Dave Grohl.
wow that's crazy.
I guess he was already rich asl but that's still a lot to pass up on for the sake of being nice.
@@Darcinator-music While you my have a point. I would say that FF in the beginning were hardly a SURE thing. They certainly had a major "IN" as Dave and Pat were of the Nirvana family tree. However critics and fans (especially punks) could have easily ignored or even turned on the band full stop out of the gate.
@@topfacemod fair point
I had the privilege of seeing Krist play bass for the Foo Fighters, for a couple song's, at the 1st concert I ever went to! Freaking awesome show.
Which show was this?
@@turtlebeach03 it was the Foo Fighters at the old Key Arena back in 2007 in Seattle.
Pat Smear wasn’t the “occasional” second guitarist - he was the second guitarist, period. He just joined late 💙
I got to shake Krist's hand when he ran for City Council. He's a really nice guy. Definitely has left his grunge days behind. You wouldn't even recognize him if you passed him on the street. He just looks like a middle aged white guy from Lakewood.
he made some of his own music after nirvana fell apart with several different supergroups, and it's pretty dope!
Smear wasn't their "occasional" guitar player. He was their live guitar player to back Kurt, making the sound more full.
man, those clips of kurt from the early days before color television, so nostalgic
Color tvs been out since the 50s lol
@@NPC-mt1cz👏
@@NPC-mt1cz What are you talking about i didnt have it until 2003
@@LeatherStrapDawah a lot of people don't know he world was in black and white until the early 50s
Please tell me you're joking.
Krist has been part of some pretty cool bands since as well. Look up "Giants in Trees" or "3rd Secret" (featuring members of Soundgarden) if ya don't know already.
Plus some politics he was into. I believe in a interview he was ask if he would run for something. He said nobody would take him seriously.
It wasn't any more than a one off project, but I liked the No WTO combo.
Krist's bass on Wasted light is my favorite part. Grungy, real and beautifully crushing.
Hot take: I like Sunny Day Real Estate better than the Foo Fighters.
That's not a hot take because they are indeed a better band without a mid album unlike the foos, but both great imo lol
You can't compare them, SDRE is emo/midwest emo, Foo Fighters is post-grunge...
@@-jank-willson I’m not comparing them. I am saying I “prefer” SDRE over Foo Fighters. Just like I prefer rock music over rap music.
Kurt was the band. Foo Fighters had a lot of fun songs, but Kurt made them something special. To this day, I still refer to Nirvana as my generation's The Beatles. When Kurt died, it really damaged a lot of people who needed him to speak and be their voice. It was a formative event for many. I will never forget the way the teens in my school responded to news of his death... School authorities caught wind of our plan to wear black armbands and walk out of class at a predetermined time for a funeral service on the front lawn. They warned that they would punish us if we did it. I don't think they understood that telling us that galvanized us. So many kids ended up participating that they realized it would be in the local news if they suspended us all. In the aftermath, it was explained to them that, for us, it was like the day Lennon was shot had hit them. When they realized that, it ended their upset.
I know this sounds like the whole bus should clap now, but it happened, and I like to think that Kurt would have appreciated that moment of understanding and harmony.
What part of the country was that? I went to high school in Vegas. Nirvana wasn’t very big there. Most of their big fans were girls. We had more of a metal/punk scene than “grunge”. Although Soundgarden was big. Far bigger than Nirvana. The radio still played Nirvana constantly but hardly any of my peers were into them. I felt like they got bigger after he killed himself.
@powerbychevy How bout PJ & AIC? Ik Nirvana performed in California plenty of times on tour so I'm suprised they weren't big in Nevada/Vegas. Huh...
@@jamesvancam I would say AIC was fairly popular. PJ was up there with Soundgraden. I’m not saying the Seattle scene had no foothold it just wasn’t that big of a deal. There were probably 5% of kids wearing combat boots, shorts, and flannels. Of them not a lot seemed big into Nirvana. I remember the day he died or maybe the next day a girl was crying about it on one of my classes. Unfortunately the only other reaction I really saw was people making jokes. There definitely was no big coming together in mourning type thing.
In the next few years it seemed like their popularity picked way up. Figured from the mystique of it all. That’s why I’ve always thought the narrative that Nirvana “changed music” was bullshit. Like one day we were all rocking out to Poison then we heard “Teen Spirit” and the world was never the same again. That was not my experience at all but we do each live in our own silo. Maybe the kids across town were doing candlelight vigils or something.
Nirvana just never seemed like a huge deal until MTV/VH1 started making their documentaries claiming they were the cause of some cultural transformation. Just seemed like grunge was another fad. New Wave to hair metal, to grunge, to Nu Metal. All of those scenes really only lasted 5-6 years but nobody is making shows about how Korn “changed the landscape forever”.
All that isn’t to say that the band didn’t matter to lots of people. Or to argue against anyone’s perspective. Just saying what I saw in my corner of the world.
Foo Fighters is one of the top bands of all time, no reason to compare them to Nirvana they're different bands. I see alot of times Nirvana is the only grunge band alot of younger people have heard so they sleep on Foo Fighters who were a little grungier in the 90s but different than early grunge for sure.
He was a mixed up person with addictions. Not exactly the voice of a generation
Maybe Krist knows something we dont about Kurts exercise book of songs that Kurt said vanished in late 92. Maybe Kurt wasnt the only person who knew the content of that exercise book prior to its dissapearance.
Honestly there's no way i could picture the Foo's without Nate
#thatclassicheadwobble
Yeah his playing constant eighth notes in the root sure is irreplaceable
@@bohunkmusic9473 You should know by now then that it's not about how good you are. There's so many great players, for every single instrument, but even then, that's why most "super groups" fail, because it's not about virtuosity. He just fits the band. You can throw Claypool there and he'll be overshadowed by Dave in 5 seconds. Doesn't make sense to have the incorrect person on the band, on stage. Hell, another meh bassist is Shavo from SOAD, but you don't want SOAD without Shavo. People enjoy seeing Nate in the Foo Fighters.
@@LautaroGalanCid I’m not saying the Foo Fighters would be a better band with a bass virtuoso. I think Nate’s plain and personality-less style is a great fit for the band, and that many others could fill in the same role.
@LautaroGalanCid enjoy seeing Nate play 8th notes and standing there almost looking like he might get excited but he never really does? Please forgive me! I don't want to sound like a jerk. But Nate is up there barely moving around. He dresses like a board white collar worker, and he plays bass like he looks and acts up there. Dude, you got a dream gig! Show some excitement! Play like you really enjoy what you're doing! You don't have to be a drunken slob! I'll give you that much credit. But for God's sake, try to look like you are having the time of your life! Because you should be having the time of your life! Please make us believe that you have a pulse!
That’s not true, pat smear was officially the fourth nirvana member when he came on his first appearance with then on tv
He was never credited on any studio recordings. I think of it like if a pro sports team signs a player who dies before the season opener. Yes, he technically played with that team as a full-fledged member, but he was never credited on the actual team roster. I consider Pat a member but I can see how it's debatable. It's why Jason Everman was considered a member, because he was credited on a studio recording (despite not actually playing on it and only having played with the band live, just like Pat).
I still can’t believe someone named their kid Pat Smear 😂
It's not his given name, it's a stage name.
Not his birth name
The Germs!
Its a stage name that resembles the term pap smear
His real name is Pat Pubes
It was because Krist was too punk for Dave's vision. Pat, despite having lived in the golden period of punk whilst playing for the Germs, was just kind of a sassy boy. He fit as 'one of the characters.' Krist was also very loud back then. Like, he loved to talk. Worked great for Kurt when he didn't feel like talking to the press or whomever. But Dave wanted to control not just the music of his vision, but all public perception. While he respected Krist's anarchistic ideals, he did not want those ideals representing his vision, but at the same time didn't want to repress Krist's ability to speak freely. Makes sense. Dave wasn't being a dick and while Krist probably wanted to be a part of it, but he's the kind of guy who in the end would be content just playing music, which he did. And he is finacially set for life so that's whatever. These aren't the type of guys who care that much whether they make $100k or $10million in a year as long as they are fed and comfortable. But Dave, unlike Kurt, does like the spotlight. He is constantly doing interviews and making appearances, which is fine by me. He just had a brushing with punk, he is not one nor claimed to be. And he is the type of guy who actually deserves the spotlight if that is what he wants. Pretty sure this is why, they just don't want to elaborate on it for decades and no one wants to come off as a dick.
😢 Miss You Kurt Cobain 😢. Love The Rest of Nirvana and FooFighters 😊❤
LOVE the Buck Owen's guitar!! Got mine with Green Stamps!!
Smear wasn’t the sometimes guitarist lol kurt always wanted a second guitar player in nirvana they enlisted smear full time after nevermind
No, he didn't join until In Utero. Halfway through 93.
@@sabrinabridge5212 Yes, that is after Nevermind. You are both correct :)
"To handle bass duties". Wtf
It still really sucks that Kurt died, but thank god for Foo Fighters. Dave writes a lot of great music.
Oh yeah, that classic band Sunny Day Real Estate. I love all their albums. Found one at a garage sale, guy just gave it to me.
Why all the hate on Pat's name all of a sudden 😂
Pat smear was officially a member according to Kurt in many late concerts. He would give him a shout as "brand new member".
I’ve never heard that before. I’ve heard in an interview it was actually much the opposite. Dave said he wouldn’t consider asking krist because he would say no, and it would just awkward like nirvana with a different lead singer.
Thank you so much for telling me Kurt Cobain was the front man for Nirvana
Amazing how more and more stories evolve ..
I actually think Kris would have made it a harder,punk sound than the Fighters forte. The Foos still rock it tho!
Sorry Kris never continued with anyone else ( except those unknown sessions we may never hear )
I truly miss that early nirvana sound now a days .
Even without Krist there were a lot of initial comparisons of the Foo Fighters to Nirvana. So I think this makes sense. Also if I recall, Krist took a long break and didn’t do anything musically initially.
Kirst was always the most mysterious of the 3 always wanted to know more about him from what I've seen he is an interesting character hope he is still doing well Nirvana was a huge part of my childhood
What happened to Kurt was mind blowing
I've seen Pat Smear play 4x: Twice with the Germs in their heyday, once with Nirrrrrvaaaannna, and then with the reformed Germs ...
Nirvana should have done a new order type thing where one of the members would have stepped up to create a new group
Nah it’s much better this way lol.
I want that acoustic
Krist didn't want to join FF because he thought everyone would just compare them to Nirvana. Krist didn't want that for Dave
The first album was definitely nirvana like. To bad Krist wasn't on that album. His bass playing was the reason why I started playing bass years ago.
Nate bender is a really interesting bassists.
Rip T. Hawkstone.
Nate Mendal
And the fans screaming at them telling that they want to hear Nirvana music!
Sunny day real estate - Killed by an Angel is one of the most banger songs that came out of the 90's. Idgaf who doesn't agree.
my mom was at one of thir first concerts
Originally always thought of Foo as a alt rock supergroup
Because Nirvana was a small band, and Foo Fighters are a big band, it would have felt too much like Nirvana 2 - Bigger and Better, if Krist had joined, and people would have felt that it was direspectful to Kurt. This was Dave's dream, not Nirvana's.
I love Foo Fighters, but actually love Sunny Day Real Estate even more!!
Trivia fact: Both Grohl and Motley Crue’s 2nd vocalist were from the band Scream….
Oh, that’s why🥱
Pat Smear was the 4th member of Nirvana. Not an occasional backup. Someone didn't do their research
Not in the media, which is what shapes the public's perception.
No he wasn't. He was never credited as a member to my knowledge. He didn't play on any of the records. He played with them live for about a year. That's less official than e.g. Jason Everman, who was credited as a fourth member on Bleach despite only playing live & funding the recording session.
@@AnonYmous-xp1ymyeah I think it’s kinda debatable since they never really got to dub him an “official member” or whatever but if he was in band photo shoots and interviews, I’d label him a 4th member 🤷🏻♂️
@@AnonYmous-xp1ym I’m pretty sure he was on in utero though
He was only a touring guitarist for them for about 6 months or so before he quit. He sat in on the unplugged performance as well. Thats about it. He had his own band The Germs.
I saw the Foo Fighters live one time Chris joined them for a song or two.
As great as it would've been for those two to keep working together as bandmates, post-Nirvana, it would've been hella awkward -- especially given that Krist very likely needed a significant amount of time to work thru his grieving process in the wake of Kurt's death, what with the two of them being childhood friends before becoming bandmates (I believe that they met when they were in middle school). I don't mean to minimize Dave and Pat's grief (especially Pat, given that his was compounded by him losing the frontman to his earlier band, D'Arby Crash of L.A. hard-core punk pioneers, The Germs, also to suicide), but they only worked with Kurt for the last few years of his life; so, Krist's had to be much more profound. Those two were like the total embodiment of that "brothers-from-another-mother" cliché -- they were that close. Much of that first FF album was Dave processing his grief in a musical format, and I think that he totally needed to do that in order to heal. In order for Krist to heal, I think that he needed to withdraw himself from the music industry, entirely, and find some other way to define himself, because being in a band with Kurt had been central to his life and identity for at least a dozen years prior to Kurt's suicide. To lose not only a bandmate, but a close childhood friend, in such a dramatic and emotionally devastating way (especially someone like Kurt who literally went from rags to riches, overnight) has got to royally f*** with one's mind. Krist did exactly that very thing; after those first cpl./few years, post-Nirvana, he immersed himself in local progressive political causes but eventually did dip his toe back into the professional musician world. However, he seems content with focusing on short-term, low-profile side-project collaborations with local/regional musicians whom he has strong relationships with whose aspirations don't necessarily involve touring around the world to support big-budget albums backed by major labels. He has appeared to genuinely enjoy himself on the handful of occasions when he and Dave have reunited to perform as Nirvana with other artists subbing-in for Kurt, but he also doesn't want to be part of a novelty act that cynically milks Nirvana's legacy for nostalgia purposes alone. To him, that kind of shameless exploitation would only serve to irrevocably taint the purity of the magic that he and Kurt had had, first, as friends and eventual bandmates, second
rip kurt
"I really would have been under the microscope...."
you can't forget Nate's classic head bob
I love sunny day real estate and never knew that
if krist was in it it would just be like nirvana part 2 seeing as all three surviving members would be together still, just with a new drummer
Broke up??without kurt there is no nirvana.without Layne Staley there is no alice in chains, without Bradley nowell there is no sublime.
2 out of 3 of those are true. Alice in Chains was always more of Jerry Cantrells project than anything else
@@alexsutton2271 Layne was crucial to Alice in Chains. Yeah Jerry wrote most of the stuff, but Layne was an essential part of the band and without him singing, putting his emotion into every song, it wouldn't be the same. He was just as crucial as Bradley, and Kurt to their respect bands. Layne is the greatest singer of all time imo.
just like john bonham to led zeppelin
@@maryannfalcione2194 Laynes voice is amazing yes but he stalled most of the bands progress and potential of what could have been. The Gen Xrs that have beef with William Duval or refuse to listen to their new material are people that cannot genuinely accept the 90s are over and only go to their shows thinking that Rooster and Man in the box are the only two songs they've created.
Very true! Without Rocky, there is no Rocky and Bullwinkle! Without Heckle, there is no Jeckle...
I was just about to say “That’s really a shame it didn’t happen, as Krist missed out on a ton of money”. Then I realized that Nirvana was so big, that Krist is still worth 80 million 😅
Krist did okay accordion on wasting light though❤
Never knew Foo Fighters origins
Anyone have tabs to this,??
Being in a band is a unique dynamic. Its very intimate.❤you have to be comfortable to make good music really I think
Cobain ends himself and then everyone else thrives?
Makes you think
If my parents named me Pap Smear I'd be pretty pist off.
The funny part is that isn’t his real name.
It's pat smear
Not even his real name
he named himself that. his real name is Georg without an e. years before nirvana he was in the germs, one of the first hardcore bands
Pat Smear was a stage name given to him by The Germs lead singer Darby Crash
I think too many people would’ve outed FF as just Nirvana 2. As cool as it would be to see, I bet Krist may have thought this as well
He was a good aim
What music video is that of Davidwearing braids?
“Handle bass duties”
Because he knew that they would become mild, safe stadium rock.
Dave recorded the first album by himself playing all instruments
I never heard a bass on their albums , they’re mixed so low.
Sunny day real estate kicks ass
the germs
And Dave’s been riding those shirt tails eversince
Dave is not being honest here. I swear he said way back in the day Krist simply wanted no part in music at all after Kurt died. He withdrew from the industry and basically retired and went into politics. There was never any shot of him picking up bass ever again
Though Krist Novoselic played bass in Big Me
That’s pat he’s an honorary punk rocker
Needless to say, IT WORKED OUT
I'd be surprised if Krist would have wanted to be in Foo. He, like Kurt, seemed very averse to that slick, slightly corny sound.
Why didn't i know he was in nirvana and foo fighters
Nate is one hell of a bass player. He's also responsible for all of the Foo Fighters believing AIDS isn't real.
He didn't want to fight no FOOS
Oh wow that's crazy I didn't know Kurt died
Basically Nirvana without Kurt. Dave taking over singing duties would definitely invite infinite amount of comparisons and scrutiny. Dave made a wise decision.
Grohl was greatest thing about Nirvana tho Kurt gets all the credit.
Krist apparently created his own band Sweet 75 but didn't really make it up.
Nate was a much better fit. Krist is great, but Nate just has that feel…
Should’ve got krist in it should try it out now w josh freese and pat
I grew up with Nate Mendel, he lived down the street from me, so I'm happy for him. Nate is a much better bass player, but I'm admittedly biased.
I have always wondered what is f o o and why are they fighting it
They were originally called the Poo Fighters. For me, they will always be The Poo Fighters.
Just too bad he couldn't get off that drug. Seemed like he was a good guy.
the first clip is weezer
I LISTENED TO FOO FIGHTERS ENTIRE CATALOG AND WATCHED THERE HBO DOCUMENTARY MINI SERIES BUT I JUST DONT FEEL IT FOR FOO FIGHTERS BUT
DAVE GROHL IS A AMAZING AMBASSADOR FOR
ROCK & ROLL
Because Krist did some real music and didn't want to play the pop that the foo fighters play
Thats because Dave wanted to front his own band.
Really bad ..
Ditto!! 👍
@@run4funs24bro forgot to switch account 💀
@@run4funs24💀💀
@@MovhisMocjaoa , yeah. He gone. I didn't remove him either 😂
how is it in any way bad to want to be your own person instead of "the nirvana drummer"
Makes sense why they wouldn't. Some people definitely would've been rubbed the wrong way by it
Cain of rock music
I don't understand the explanation 😕.
His name is pronounced Chris “Novo-selic” the odd spelling was to mess with people lol
Didn’t Kurt spell his name “kurdt” sometimes?
I tried to warn him
Pat wasn't an occasional second guitarist. He was a member of Nirvana. Put some respect on that man's name. He was a founding member of The Germs, he was in the original Blade Runner, shoot, he's even in Prince's Raspberry Beret video. He's an all-around awesome guy.