RoyalJordanian hi very informative thnx. you didn't specify though. I didn't know you can downshift w/o the clutch and w/o the fancy electrnics. can you comment on that? I've always upshift w/o the clutch on my 2012 yamaha fz8, but I always use the clutch to downshift. your KTM has the electronics to downshift so I'm a bit confused
I always use the clutch from 1st to 2nd, as you pass through neutral so it's easly to accidentally land in neutral, but 2nd gear upwards, I don't tend to use the clutch...with practise, it's smooth and simple
The only long-term damage that will occur is a slightly rounded off gear teeth edges as they slightly clash when meshing. It's imperceptible but now and then it won't be as perfect as you hoped and the teeth will get slightly worn on edges over time. A properly calibrated quickshifter eliminates the motorskills perfection required to do it exactly and consistently every time. Just cuts power to the engine for 20 milliseconds (or whatever) to relieve any stress or power transmission between the desired destination gear, slots them together via normal shift lever movement, and reapplies the power. Ignition cut and/or fuel cut for that instant. Of course the needs for proper cut time vary depending on engine load. Cut time needs under full power and high rpm are going to be different than cut time needs under partial power and lower rpm cruising.
Before watching the video, I'm just gonna say if you master the technique then yes it is harmless, however getting to master the technique will require some miss-shifts and this can really harm the transmission. So guys, make sure you can shift reeeaally quickly WITH the clutch, before starting to attempt clutchless shifting. Anyways, back to the video, I might edit this comment based on what RJ says. :) Edit: After watching the video, I think my point stands, it is indeed harmless to the transmission if done correctly (I do it myself and never had a single issue) but just make sure your timing is absolutely perfect. If you don;t have great coordination, I would recommend to stick with conventional shifting, it might save you a few bucks lol
Akra690 couldn't agree more! I commute on a 150cc bike, and I was really scared to try clutchless upshift even though people have been telling me that motorcycles have sequential gearbox like rally cars so it is harmless. I thought it could only be done on bigger bikes. But then, one day I braced myself and I did it. It was really smooth tbh, as long as you time it correctly, however I still use the clutch for changing gears, clutchless upshifts are nice but I prefer to use it only when I'm accelerating hard lol.
miss shifts with or without the clutch are equally harmfull but if you react quickly enough (pull in the clutch lever fully) they become harmless anyway
remember the gp era before the seamless gearbox, they are the top ace on the top race bike ever created, they still using clutch to downshifting and blipping, unless u have the bi-directional quick shifter then it's can be done without using clutch
I rode a CB350 in the ‘70s and could shift just as quickly, with downshifting smooth as silk by blipping the throttle at the right time. I blipped the throttle in my race car when downshifting and when you get it just right you can dump the clutch without feeling a thing, unlike the apology you hear on tracks today. Been doing such ever since, on my moderns and ‘35, ‘57 & ‘67 classic cars. Great videos 👏👍
For someone who doesnt have anyone around to teach them about riding/bikes, its really cool to get this info before going out to get my liecence. Thank you RJ
This was one of the first things I learned while riding a moped at 16.. It takes a bit of concentration on the shifting to do at first and you will mess up a couple of times. Later when you got a muscle memory built up, It comes quite naturally. I'm guessing the time in which the motor has "slack" when you cut the throttle is a bit different on various bikes, but I wouldn't know for sure since I've only ever ridden small 2 strokes.
Wow! For someone who "doesn't preach" you certainly can explain things clearly. I guess a lot of bikers are going to try it from now on. Your efforts are greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Because of you, I also have stopped using the clutch lever when I up shift on my motorcycle. I thank you for teaching me a skill that I did not even know existed. :)
Been Clutchless shifting on the MT07 for over a year now The sequential Gearbox makes it so easy. And surprisingly it is actually enjoyable for all my rides!
An hour ago i started checking all the video's about a BMW S1000R quickshifter and suddenly a wild RJ quickshifter video gets uploaded damn that timing is impeccable!
They're fantastic pieces of engineering. I had an old XR200 I used to shift without even backing off the gas or using the clutch to try and keep up with the newer bikes. Always amazed me it never shit itself. I always use the clutch unless I'm trying to move seriously quick on my hornet though, bit more power if I fuck up a quick shift so don't recon its worth it for normal riding. Love your videos RJ, keep it up.
Good video RJ just got another bike after a few years break ! a Harley but within 10 minutes clutchless gearchanges !i learnthow to 45 years ago ,you dont forget !
Excellent video on the subject of clutchless gear changes (racing changes, as they where called in the 80's) and how the latest quick shifter, auto blipper bikes work. Really informative demonstration of this shows you are a master of your craft sir... All the gear'S and the right idea...
My Honda NC750S DCT does not have a clutch lever but the auto dual clutch mechanism changes gear in milliseconds without using the throttle either up of down. Brilliant!
The day I decided to learn clutchless upshifting, I got hit at an intersection. It sucks so much to not be able to go out there and practice after watching this. It was surprisingly easy to get the hang of though.
I agree with you about pre loading the lever as the cogs just clip because the drive cog has not slowed quite enough and not pre loading gives better sliding of the gears because of that tiny split second delay the drive cog has just slowed enough. Ride Safe.
I don't fully close the throttle when I do it, smooth as butter. My engine is disassembled at the dealer as a bearing blew and it damaged second gear, I saw them and the other gears looked brand new, so I figured clutchless shifting doesn't harm the gears after all.
To the people who say clutchless downshifting WILL be harmful to the gearbox: I rode around on my bike for nearly 2,5 months without operating the clutch at all, since it stopped disengaging, and I didn't have a place or the time to fix it. After that time of not using the clutch AT ALL, the gearbox is still just fine. The gears engage like they always did and disengage like they always did, and there is no damage on the dogs. But like he said in the video, it can be extremely harmful, if done incorrectly. If anyone decides to learn clutchless downshifting though, I'd suggest looking up how a motorcycle gearbox functions, since understanding how something works always makes operating it easier.
I passed my test the other day and on the ride back to the school I tried the clutch-less upshift and it worked wonders. Legitimately better than using the clutch on a 60,000+ mileage school bike. I've driven for over 5 years so I am not a gear change newbie
Motorcycle transmissions are constant mesh sequential gearboxes, meaning you can't grind any gears. The only thing you could damage are the selector forks, however, If you somehow manage to do that, you shouldn't even be riding a motorcycle in the first place. I've been Clutchless up shifting for years and none of my bikes' transmissions are prematurely worn.
After Years of Shifting it is very comfortable for me to have Quickshifter+ in my Duke 790. Very smooth and precise. Its also a security argument. It makes riding a bit safer in my opinion.
Clutchless shifting is fantastic, if I'm riding hard or giving it the beans then I use clutchless shifting, clutchless downshifting though I don't use much, as RJ says it will damage the gearbox if done incorrectly haha
Except some bikes have serious engine braking, meaning when you close the throttle the gearbox quickly passes the "neutrality point" and the shift is not smooth. In which case, you will have to quickly, but not fully close the throttle to the point where there is neither braking nor accelerating.
I agree :). Think the bike I ride now has worn cush drive hub rubbers cuz I can feel that the shift is smooth but there's a bit of a yank when i go back on throttle.
i did that many times on my LML Star Manual 4 Stroke 151CC when i had my clutch cable ripped i never had a problem with it , like you said you have to do it at the right timing
i actually prefer riding bikes where you have to really work the gear box , just my opinion it’s part of the fun ! could see how would be useful on track days etc though !
My first bike (I learned to ride on my fathers bike first) was a ktm 300, and in the beginning I didnt even had time to press the clutch because things happen to fast! :P so I learned how to do clutchless shifts and never had a problem :)
I always do 1st to 2nd on the clutch purely because I get worried of hitting a neutral but that's because I ride a 25 year old bike I'd have no problem shifting 1st to 2nd on a newer bike clutchless (I posted this for the older bike guys who can only dream of smooth gearboxes haha)
I used to have an ZX-6, and finally realized that when I took off quickly I really wasn't using the clutch. Once I figured that out, I could accelerate much faster without it.
Bigger bikes with heavier flywheels can disagree with clutchless shifting so just listen and feel for it. If it doesn't sound or feel normal, use the clutch.
Yes, it's doable and no, I don't think it damages anything, if done correctly. However I don't agree with the fact that it's smoother. On a bike without the QS system, the milisecond you close the throttle to up-shift, the bike automatically will do a forward lean (like it does when you decerelate) causing the whole process of clutchless shift not so smooth compared with a QS equiped bike... However in lower RPM's (and higher the gear also), this "hesitation" is almost not noticeable.. Also, just my 2 cents... =) Ride safe!
It is actually enjoyable when you do it right. The last time I did clutchless shifting, I had to pay $900 to replace most parts of gearbox. Never again lol
another beautifully put together vid. God I hope I get that good but fear I've left it too late to learn all the tricks... hay ho.. guess I'll stick to my little learning channel.
I like using the clutch makes me feel i am riding a motorbike, no clutch you may as well have an automatic like cars, i like changing gear in cars also i just don't see the point takes away the ridding experiance . glad it's just your opinion i would hate to see bikes with no clutch i would give up riding
2:50 i wouldnt say the minute you change :D more more or less the same time or a quarter second after you release the throttle. simply put, change gear before engine breaking kicks in and there is no pressure on the transmission.
You still need a clutch to set off and stop it from stalling, though. I get the quickshift for some instances, but people should still know how to operate a clutch properly.
6Twisted my point...? Some people think because a bike has a quickshifter, there is no need for a clutch or to learn how to use one before they hop on a bike.
SingleTurboSupra I never said he didn't or did say anything. I was clearly stating my opinion and view. Some people don't care to take the time to learn necessary functioning of a motorcycle before they ride one. Quickshifters have their uses, but I know people will rely on them and if they don't exactly know how to use a clutch, they could destroy their transmission, clutch and engine.
Deez Nughts Well, I mean they need to learn the clutch when they hop an a bike and realize the bike goes nowhere trying to clutchless shift into 1st...
The clutch is there for a reason. But do you know what the reason is? The fact that not all of us is capable of doing clutchless shifting. So I think, the clutch is there for those who is not capable of doing it and/or do not want to do it.
Using the clutch on powerful bikes midcorner is pretty dangerous as well....I can seamlessly upshift with my S1000r midcorner...would NEVER do that using clutch (p.s. so happy just got delivery of my brand new bike TODAY MY2017
Lets get real for a sec, does a RJ crash video exist? If not, props to you RJ. However i'd like to see how you reacted and dealt with the situation. Im not a sick, just curious.
It's not something I recommend, and I don't do it often. You have to get your timing correct to a millisecond or else harm can be done to your gearbox.
the only thing in my opinion you forgot to say was that it really depends on the rpm u definitly need the correct rpm for upshifting if your too low it feels like you are riding rodeo
I do not get the point of an auto blipper. I mean a quickshifter makes you go faster with fast gear changes but how do you go faster by downshifting without the clutch ? you are slowing down when downshifting and isn't it better when there is no power delivered while down shifting and pull the clutch in ?
nothing against qshifters but they seem to be making the process of gear change automatic which is probally why manufactures like honda made the dct to just up and get rid of the clutch all together
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RoyalJordanian RJ my quad has a senterfugel clutch and just close throttle and Chang gear!😁
RoyalJordanian The R6s new Quick Shifter is pretty darn fast and doesnt harm your bike.
RoyalJordanian hi very informative thnx. you didn't specify though. I didn't know you can downshift w/o the clutch and w/o the fancy electrnics. can you comment on that? I've always upshift w/o the clutch on my 2012 yamaha fz8, but I always use the clutch to downshift. your KTM has the electronics to downshift so I'm a bit confused
I got a KTM1290 SDR 2016 and its soooo easy to shift the gear without the clutch! ;-)
greetz from germany
@Rodolphe St. Preux Haven´t you seen the video? around 1:20 ... his bmw does not have a downshifter as well ;-)
I always use the clutch from 1st to 2nd, as you pass through neutral so it's easly to accidentally land in neutral, but 2nd gear upwards, I don't tend to use the clutch...with practise, it's smooth and simple
The minute you close the throttle? Wow we've got a whole 60 seconds, this is gonna be so easy I'll go try it right now!
50 gearboxes later:
He meant to say moment instead of minute i guess
RJ its now possible to upgrade the old S1000R to the blipper. You need the blipper sensor and a ECU flash. Cheers
I was seriously impressed by the clutchless downshifts! Once again, excellent riding RJ!
Excellent video RJ! I've been practicing the clutchless upshifts on my 150 cc Gixxer and it works flawlessly.
The only long-term damage that will occur is a slightly rounded off gear teeth edges as they slightly clash when meshing. It's imperceptible but now and then it won't be as perfect as you hoped and the teeth will get slightly worn on edges over time.
A properly calibrated quickshifter eliminates the motorskills perfection required to do it exactly and consistently every time. Just cuts power to the engine for 20 milliseconds (or whatever) to relieve any stress or power transmission between the desired destination gear, slots them together via normal shift lever movement, and reapplies the power. Ignition cut and/or fuel cut for that instant. Of course the needs for proper cut time vary depending on engine load. Cut time needs under full power and high rpm are going to be different than cut time needs under partial power and lower rpm cruising.
Before watching the video, I'm just gonna say if you master the technique then yes it is harmless, however getting to master the technique will require some miss-shifts and this can really harm the transmission. So guys, make sure you can shift reeeaally quickly WITH the clutch, before starting to attempt clutchless shifting. Anyways, back to the video, I might edit this comment based on what RJ says. :)
Edit: After watching the video, I think my point stands, it is indeed harmless to the transmission if done correctly (I do it myself and never had a single issue) but just make sure your timing is absolutely perfect. If you don;t have great coordination, I would recommend to stick with conventional shifting, it might save you a few bucks lol
Akra690 couldn't agree more!
I commute on a 150cc bike, and I was really scared to try clutchless upshift even though people have been telling me that motorcycles have sequential gearbox like rally cars so it is harmless. I thought it could only be done on bigger bikes. But then, one day I braced myself and I did it. It was really smooth tbh, as long as you time it correctly, however I still use the clutch for changing gears, clutchless upshifts are nice but I prefer to use it only when I'm accelerating hard lol.
on my dirtbike i only use it when riding away, rest of the time i just keep it pinned
bjorn wisman it's otherwise wide open throttle of repaired (how to use a American built quad)!😁
you can damage the transmission just as much with the clutch...
miss shifts with or without the clutch are equally harmfull but if you react quickly enough (pull in the clutch lever fully) they become harmless anyway
Learning how to shift without the clutch (up and down) makes riding so much better imo, especially when riding hard
shouldnt*
watch Mattia Pasini blowing his... joking I'm yet to see that...
6Twisted Only if done incorrectly
6Twisted There's a short period of neutral between gears where you can use throttle to rev-match
remember the gp era before the seamless gearbox, they are the top ace on the top race bike ever created, they still using clutch to downshifting and blipping, unless u have the bi-directional quick shifter then it's can be done without using clutch
Nice to see RJ back to normality after the last video 😂
What do you mean?
I rode a CB350 in the ‘70s and could shift just as quickly, with downshifting smooth as silk by blipping the throttle at the right time.
I blipped the throttle in my race car when downshifting and when you get it just right you can dump the clutch without feeling a thing, unlike the apology you hear on tracks today.
Been doing such ever since, on my moderns and ‘35, ‘57 & ‘67 classic cars.
Great videos 👏👍
I learned to clutchless upshift from your first video a while back, best thing I learned for everyday riding, sounds blissful as well!
Thanks RJ!
For someone who doesnt have anyone around to teach them about riding/bikes, its really cool to get this info before going out to get my liecence. Thank you RJ
This was one of the first things I learned while riding a moped at 16..
It takes a bit of concentration on the shifting to do at first and you will mess up a couple of times.
Later when you got a muscle memory built up, It comes quite naturally.
I'm guessing the time in which the motor has "slack" when you cut the throttle is a bit different on various bikes, but I wouldn't know for sure since I've only ever ridden small 2 strokes.
RJ your opinion is always appreciated!
Thank you sir!
I tried clutchless upshifting today with my 1999 ninja zx-6r. works like a charm! When done right it's so quick and seamless, pure joy!
Wow! For someone who "doesn't preach" you certainly can explain things clearly. I guess a lot of bikers are going to try it from now on. Your efforts are greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Been doing clutchless shifts since 1980 when I got my first RD 350 LC, never had a gearbox break on me yet.
Because of you, I also have stopped using the clutch lever when I up shift on my motorcycle. I thank you for teaching me a skill that I did not even know existed. :)
Been Clutchless shifting on the MT07 for over a year now
The sequential Gearbox makes it so easy. And surprisingly it is
actually enjoyable for all my rides!
An hour ago i started checking all the video's about a BMW S1000R quickshifter and suddenly a wild RJ quickshifter video gets uploaded damn that timing is impeccable!
They're fantastic pieces of engineering. I had an old XR200 I used to shift without even backing off the gas or using the clutch to try and keep up with the newer bikes. Always amazed me it never shit itself. I always use the clutch unless I'm trying to move seriously quick on my hornet though, bit more power if I fuck up a quick shift so don't recon its worth it for normal riding. Love your videos RJ, keep it up.
I love the Simplicity of your videos. You make it work so well.
Good video RJ just got another bike after a few years break ! a Harley but within 10 minutes clutchless gearchanges !i learnthow to 45 years ago ,you dont forget !
Excellent video on the subject of clutchless gear changes (racing changes, as they where called in the 80's) and how the latest quick shifter, auto blipper bikes work.
Really informative demonstration of this shows you are a master of your craft sir...
All the gear'S and the right idea...
Damn, that Nuda sound
YES! Makes the KTM sound like shit!
De Luth hope the 790 will sound something like nuda
duke 790 coming?
You just made my commute a whole lot better Jordanian thanks.
My Honda NC750S DCT does not have a clutch lever but the auto dual clutch mechanism changes gear in milliseconds without using the throttle either up of down. Brilliant!
The day I decided to learn clutchless upshifting, I got hit at an intersection. It sucks so much to not be able to go out there and practice after watching this. It was surprisingly easy to get the hang of though.
When riding quickly I never use the clutch to shift up. Like you said it's so much quicker and smoother.
I agree with you about pre loading the lever as the cogs just clip because the drive cog has not slowed quite enough and not pre loading gives better sliding of the gears because of that tiny split second delay the drive cog has just slowed enough. Ride Safe.
If you're shiting quick with a clutch you're basically shifting before the clutch even disengages. Caught onto this real quick.
I don't fully close the throttle when I do it, smooth as butter. My engine is disassembled at the dealer as a bearing blew and it damaged second gear, I saw them and the other gears looked brand new, so I figured clutchless shifting doesn't harm the gears after all.
Lovely stuff. I’m a complete bike noob and vids like this are invaluable to me. Thanks, man.
watching rj makes my shifting so good that i no longer trouble about gear...
To the people who say clutchless downshifting WILL be harmful to the gearbox:
I rode around on my bike for nearly 2,5 months without operating the clutch at all, since it stopped disengaging, and I didn't have a place or the time to fix it. After that time of not using the clutch AT ALL, the gearbox is still just fine. The gears engage like they always did and disengage like they always did, and there is no damage on the dogs.
But like he said in the video, it can be extremely harmful, if done incorrectly. If anyone decides to learn clutchless downshifting though, I'd suggest looking up how a motorcycle gearbox functions, since understanding how something works always makes operating it easier.
I passed my test the other day and on the ride back to the school I tried the clutch-less upshift and it worked wonders. Legitimately better than using the clutch on a 60,000+ mileage school bike.
I've driven for over 5 years so I am not a gear change newbie
Couldn't agree more been doing that for years. But do love my new quick shifter. I got up and down 😜
Motorcycle transmissions are constant mesh sequential gearboxes, meaning you can't grind any gears. The only thing you could damage are the selector forks, however, If you somehow manage to do that, you shouldn't even be riding a motorcycle in the first place. I've been Clutchless up shifting for years and none of my bikes' transmissions are prematurely worn.
After Years of Shifting it is very comfortable for me to have Quickshifter+ in my Duke 790. Very smooth and precise. Its also a security argument. It makes riding a bit safer in my opinion.
I love the way you just end the videos, without formality message like " have a great life guys, subscribe to my channel "
Love the gear camera angle! Maybe include it sometimes in daily observations?
Clutchless shifting is fantastic, if I'm riding hard or giving it the beans then I use clutchless shifting, clutchless downshifting though I don't use much, as RJ says it will damage the gearbox if done incorrectly haha
Except some bikes have serious engine braking, meaning when you close the throttle the gearbox quickly passes the "neutrality point" and the shift is not smooth. In which case, you will have to quickly, but not fully close the throttle to the point where there is neither braking nor accelerating.
I agree :). Think the bike I ride now has worn cush drive hub rubbers cuz I can feel that the shift is smooth but there's a bit of a yank when i go back on throttle.
Very interesting.. I've never owned a bike with a quickshifter but think it's inevitable in future
RJ, could you also make a video explaining the way you downshift (with or without clutch) like between 3:31 and 3:36 please? Great vid!
Hello RJ! excelent!
saludos desde Buenos Aires, Argentina! 😊
Monster! 😍😍 but I love my z750 😛
i did that many times on my LML Star Manual 4 Stroke 151CC when i had my clutch cable ripped
i never had a problem with it , like you said you have to do it at the right timing
i actually prefer riding bikes where you have to really work the gear box , just my opinion it’s part of the fun ! could see how would be useful on track days etc though !
I agree with everything... When I shift tho I usually just tap the clutch because it makes me feel good
I started out on a bare bone bike with no fancy electronics, but now that I've tasted the up and down QS, I can't go back. lol
very fine RJ
I live in Brazil and i like your videos
My first bike (I learned to ride on my fathers bike first) was a ktm 300, and in the beginning I didnt even had time to press the clutch because things happen to fast! :P so I learned how to do clutchless shifts and never had a problem :)
i remember as a kid clutchless shifting unintentionally when i rode a neighbor's clutched bike and i had only been riding a peewee 80.
i still do clutchless upshifts and downshifts from the last video u made about clutchless upshifts and i didn't have any problem with my gear box
I always do 1st to 2nd on the clutch purely because I get worried of hitting a neutral but that's because I ride a 25 year old bike I'd have no problem shifting 1st to 2nd on a newer bike clutchless (I posted this for the older bike guys who can only dream of smooth gearboxes haha)
Tried this today on my 84 XT250 sooooo much easier than using the clutch! But yes have to get the throttle timing spot on otherwise it's abit jerky.
I used to have an ZX-6, and finally realized that when I took off quickly I really wasn't using the clutch. Once I figured that out, I could accelerate much faster without it.
Bigger bikes with heavier flywheels can disagree with clutchless shifting so just listen and feel for it. If it doesn't sound or feel normal, use the clutch.
Yes, it's doable and no, I don't think it damages anything, if done correctly. However I don't agree with the fact that it's smoother. On a bike without the QS system, the milisecond you close the throttle to up-shift, the bike automatically will do a forward lean (like it does when you decerelate) causing the whole process of clutchless shift not so smooth compared with a QS equiped bike... However in lower RPM's (and higher the gear also), this "hesitation" is almost not noticeable.. Also, just my 2 cents... =) Ride safe!
It is actually enjoyable when you do it right. The last time I did clutchless shifting, I had to pay $900 to replace most parts of gearbox. Never again lol
like a boss rj u are the best
I dont know anything about motos but i love your videos, i would love to have a 1000cm but is very expensive in Portugal, so i Just drive a Polo
hello rj, thanks for your awesome vids! greetings from germany :)
man... you are amazing
Great demo vid, I still feel uncomfortable not using the clutch when on the road, 45 years of old habits I suppose. RSM8
another beautifully put together vid. God I hope I get that good but fear I've left it too late to learn all the tricks... hay ho.. guess I'll stick to my little learning channel.
I clutchless upshift easily on my CBR125R but never do it from first to second as thats a bit fidgety.
all "boite à crabots" (in french) can do this ! Even cars equipped with these (mainly old rally cars, and the last Fiat 695 Biposto)
Claudy_Focan Dogbox.
not "boite à cabots" ;-)
Great Job
since Ive watched your first vid abt this I had a better riding experience :D I love your vids man. :)
i dont need notifications since im always on youtube
oh my days tried this today and it worked!
I like using the clutch makes me feel i am riding a motorbike,
no clutch you may as well have an automatic like cars, i like changing gear in cars also i just don't see the point takes away the ridding experiance . glad it's just your opinion i would hate to see bikes with no clutch i would give up riding
Damn...! This thing is as quick as a Ferrari's dual clutch...!
man I miss my bike, Great vid as always RJ!
2:50 i wouldnt say the minute you change :D more more or less the same time or a quarter second after you release the throttle. simply put, change gear before engine breaking kicks in and there is no pressure on the transmission.
gonna try this on my way to work tomorrow !!
this was really informative,thanks mate!
You still need a clutch to set off and stop it from stalling, though. I get the quickshift for some instances, but people should still know how to operate a clutch properly.
He never said that you don't need to use clutch for absolutely nothing, he only said that it isn't necessary for shifting
6Twisted my point...? Some people think because a bike has a quickshifter, there is no need for a clutch or to learn how to use one before they hop on a bike.
SingleTurboSupra I never said he didn't or did say anything. I was clearly stating my opinion and view. Some people don't care to take the time to learn necessary functioning of a motorcycle before they ride one. Quickshifters have their uses, but I know people will rely on them and if they don't exactly know how to use a clutch, they could destroy their transmission, clutch and engine.
Deez Nughts Well, I mean they need to learn the clutch when they hop an a bike and realize the bike goes nowhere trying to clutchless shift into 1st...
It's not important, but I agree.
I loved the image of the foot pedal of changes.
#MOTOPT2
The clutch is there for a reason. But do you know what the reason is? The fact that not all of us is capable of doing clutchless shifting. So I think, the clutch is there for those who is not capable of doing it and/or do not want to do it.
its like learning from bike god
Using the clutch on powerful bikes midcorner is pretty dangerous as well....I can seamlessly upshift with my S1000r midcorner...would NEVER do that using clutch (p.s. so happy just got delivery of my brand new bike TODAY MY2017
Suppose to be in the right gear before the corner. Just sayin
you might HAVE to change during a very long corner man especially if it opens (like turn 2 in monza)
I think clutch-less down shifts can be a bit sketchy on a bike without a slipper clutch.
Nice sound !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My two favourite motocycle skills clutchless shifting and countersteer :)
but when you downshift without the clutch, isnt there a chance that the rear can lock up?
Lets get real for a sec, does a RJ crash video exist? If not, props to you RJ. However i'd like to see how you reacted and dealt with the situation. Im not a sick, just curious.
I haven't seen a big crash from him but he did show a quite minor offroad crash in the RJ's 70% rule video if I'm not wrong
true, i remember that video.
Good to know what I've learned by myself isn't harming my bike
can you make a video how to downshift without clutch? it looks really cool
He explained it fairly clear in this video and shows it at one part.
SilvoLP if you don't have electronics made for that like on his KTM, dont do it
Clutchless downshifting WILL harm any ordinary bike
+Linus NSA okay thx
It's not something I recommend, and I don't do it often. You have to get your timing correct to a millisecond or else harm can be done to your gearbox.
+RoyalJordanian i understand, but i guess that you havent done it perfectly when you tried it first time, am i right?
the only thing in my opinion you forgot to say was that it really depends on the rpm u definitly need the correct rpm for upshifting if your too low it feels like you are riding rodeo
Unless you’re on a race track it really doesn’t matter how quick you can shift.
Most people only Clutchless up shift when they feel like it...
...I only use the clutch to up shift when I feel like it
I do not get the point of an auto blipper. I mean a quickshifter makes you go faster with fast gear changes but how do you go faster by downshifting without the clutch ? you are slowing down when downshifting and isn't it better when there is no power delivered while down shifting and pull the clutch in ?
nothing against qshifters but they seem to be making the process of gear change automatic which is probally why manufactures like honda made the dct to just up and get rid of the clutch all together
If bikes go automatic then I'm quitting.
That's what people said when cars were becoming predominately automatic.
Yeah , and automatic cars suck and people don't have a choice but to drive them. I still drive a stick though.
Premature gearbox failure.
I've enough trouble dealing with one kind of premature already.