What is CLUTCHLESS SHIFTING on a motorcycle?
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- What clutchless shifting is on a motorbike, how to do it and why you might want to do it on your next ride.
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Did this on accident on my bike. Was actually surprised it could clutchless shift even without the tech. This "technique" could also save you if youre in a pinch like when youre clutch cables get effed
same
I've done this on all my bikes. It's nice to hear that it makes no extra wear in the gears. Its fun to learn a new skill.
I have mastered clutchless upshifting and clutchless downshifting, just for the fun of it!
I accidentally learned how to 3 weeks into riding. Definitely worth it
I've been clutchless shifting ever since the lever broke once when I was 16. I'm 28 now and never had any problems so far. I can even up and downshift a stick shift car without clutch now lol
I also learned to do this in a manual car few days ago XD I was like "wtf how did it work so well without any gear grinding noises"
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Ive been doing it for some time now and funny enough, you make some heads turn when upshifting because they are bike riders themselves and realize whats going on, or maybe they arent used to hear the shift going from one to another so fast like an F1 or a racecar (thats the best way i can explain it on how it sounds)
I love doing clutchless shifting and throwing myself away
I believe you haven't rev match enough, mate.
Bro can we do it in hero honda splender
@@sindonesia-is4tc yes any bike
@@sindonesia-is4tc yes but only do it after 2nd gear I mean you can upshift from 2nd to 3rd and so on amd only do it on higher rpms otherwise it will be jerky
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Quick disclaimer:
To learn it could be helpful to put a little Force on your Gear lever to feel, when the moment to fully press it is right. BUT: Don't do this for a long time. It damages your Shiftforks an could also directly damage your Gears due to friction.
I recently learned this (like two weeks ago). It is so addicting! i love it
I first taught myself clutchless shifting about 40 years ago driving my old Volvo. But, last year the clutch cable on my CBR1000rr was down to about 3 strands. I rode 300 miles and only using the remains of the clutch cable to start and stop; otherwise, all clutchless. It's all about getting the revs right, especially downshifting.
Can i use clutchless upshit with 50% throttle? same with downshift or it has to be completely cut off?
@@Voltomess Yes. It's not about doing this at maximum or minimum RPM, it's about matching engine speed to the transmission and road speed. If the gas was off, you would likely get immediate engine braking. If you get that, or acceleration, then you haven't matched things properly. It's amazing how intuitive it will be once you try it.
I’m on my first road bike which is an R NineT. It’s such a analog bike that it’s actually a good bike to start as you have absolutely no rider aids 😂 Love it though
My experience with a 2008 Ninja 250 (EX250J):
For emergency clutchless shifting after a broken clutch cable (yes, it happened to me), you don’t have to blip the throttle for a downshift. That’s because you don’t have to downshift when you’d otherwise do it. The goal is merely to avoid being stuck in a high gear at a stop. By putting downward pressure on the shift pedal as you slow down, it will just slip into the next lower gear as soon as things slow down enough to unload the gear train. From 6th gear this happens at first gear speeds (surprisingly slow), but from there you can go through the rest of the gears really quick.
After learning this I did it for years whenever I wanted to do something else with my left hand while approaching a stop. Yes, I also learned how to downshift when I want by blipping the throttle but that wasn’t necessary for getting home with a broken clutch cable.
The positive neutral finder on that bike also means you can get to neutral from a stop just by pulling up while the wheels aren’t turning… no need to “half click.”
I'm new to riding and when I stop my bike on 4th gear I couldn't downshit to 1 is that normal?I was stuck at red light on 4th gear then I panic and start to push shim forward and somehow I was able to downshift but I was wondering wtf?
@@Voltomess Yes, that’s normal. The wheels need to move a little before it will let you shift a second time. I believe it’s because the shift forks did not actually get to move into place along the gear selector. Try rocking forward and backwards while stomping the pedal until it gets back down to first.
@@Voltomess get it down to first before you actually come to a complete stop, or you might have to shimmy the bike back and forth to get down to 1. Coming to a stop hold in clutch and shift down to 1 before complete stop, or use engine braking and down shift one gear at a time, before complete stop. Look at engine braking video. 💪
Cut / override gear boxes for drag racing have ramps ground into the dogs, opposite the driving side, you can almost keep the throttle pinned upshifting with no clutch.
Shit even harley trannies don't care too much (with a less then 1L vtwin)
Not a clue about their hogs though.
i drive a semi truck, i learned to float gears 10 years ago i used the same rules in shifting for my motorcycle and its always been smooth, however for downshifting i use the clutch because theres no neutral in between to rev match
One of the easiest ways to shift up clutchless for a beginner is to use your rev limiter as your quick shifter. When you accelerate and you are near rev limiter, just put a little pressure on the gear lever to upshift, when the bike hits rev limiter, gearbox will loosen and upshift exactly the same way as with quickshifter.
When a rider shifts gears without using the clutch, the gears in the transmission are not disengaged, causing them to grind against each other. This can cause significant wear and tear on the transmission, leading to premature failure and damage to the transmission's internal components.
Additionally, the transmission on a motorcycle that is designed for clutchless shifting is often reinforced with stronger gears and a more robust mechanism to handle the increased stress and strain of shifting gears without a clutch.
i lost count of how many augments i have had over this and people thinking the kill switch is an emergency off switch only and act like I'm the idiot legit the only way to turn off some bikes is the switch
That's only true for straight cut synchromesh transmission, like the ones in car. Motorcycles are dog engagement. If you actually understand the mechanism, there's very little risk (or none) for damage unless you try to hard brute force the gear shift.
Sometimes gearbox forks wil "like" this.. 😂
The way pretty much every single motorcycle gearbox is designed, unless your flywheel weights half a metric ton (and lets face it, flywheels in bikes have really low inertia) your gears (or actually gear dogs, as your gears have constant engagement) are not going to grind or smash into each other any harder than they do when using the clutch. Been clutchless shifting for the 10y I've been riding, only gearbox failure so far was due to the output shaft locking up in 1st gear @8k rpm in a chinese bike when the chain wound itself on the sprocket
Done this with every bike I owned. Din' hurt nuffin'.
I like how u used multiple shots altogether for clear illustration!!!!!
So you're saying that I can shift without using the clutch and without having QUICKSHIFTER on my bike, and it won't damage de gearbox ?
When i first started riding i actually discovered this technique by sheer curiosity. I started to use this technique when on big roads untill a couple of biker buddies said that it was really bad for my bike. I will be picking up the technique again after this.
Yeah my dad told me it was bad too lol. If you can rev match it perfectly it’s actually easier on the clutch and trans than using the clutch.
Every time I think I know most I need for riding, something huge like this gets recomended to me 😅
There was one day when my friend's bike's clutch cable snapped and they got stranded near our place and asking for a rescue. It was so late at night that moto shops have already closed for the day and he's on a pinch. This is where this skill comes in handy and we switched bikes for the mean time and I drove his with clutchless shifting and they went home driving my bike. Had his bike taken to the moto shop the following day.
This is quite an amazing explanation. Thank you so much.
Everyday sirr😁
What a coincidence :D i snapped my clutch cable on my MT09 yesterday and ended up walking with the bike back home :/ . Wish i would have known this.
I clutchless shift going up most of the time, but rarely going down.
my bike has a heavy clutch at the moment, longer i ride, more it hurts my hand, goes into the dealer soon for a clutch cable change. i know how to change gear in a car without a clutch, i might give this ago to get to the dealer. cool video.
Thanks for this. Ride safe bro. I'm from the Philippines.
Me and my Quickshifter : "Interesting"
Mmm, i can do both, although my downshifts do need more practice. I always blip my throttle, use clutch at the same time of downshifting so i can rev match. But also do need to practice it without using the clutch.
Like on a heavy tour bike I would use this method to pop it in neutral when downshifting to a stop. Just to be fancy.
I used to change up without clutch. I was gonna mention the slight pressure on gear lever.
I feel like for upshifts, if I just let off the throttle like how I normally shift, it’s not sufficient to perform a clutchless shift. I find if I actively blip it in the reverse direction, then it shifts easily. Maybe the throttle’s spring tension doesnt close it fast enough or something.
plz do other then what is videos i miss the old ones
I've been clutchless shifting for years on dirtbikes, didn't even know you were supposed to use the clutch other than going into first and stopping.
hi 2 all,
for now without a motorcycle as a car driver T-bone me at cross roads, but I have a question closely related to the topic. I learned clutch less shifting in my car decades ago. later it was one of the 1st techniques I learned on motorcycle. never had to use it in an emergency situation anyway.
the question is, when clutch cable snap and you are stationary, how to get a bike moving to the 1st gear? just push it and tried to force the 1st? in car I engaged 1st with shut engine and just start it. after a couple of "kangaroos" the car was moving, and the rest was fairly easy. done it in a couple of cars, 1st snapped cable, 2nd snapped pivot pin of clutch pedal.
thanks in advance
cheers
Im scared of doing it because I think that if i don't use the clutch, then my gearbox will die (I have no quickshifter)
never used clutchless shifting until i slipped on some oil on the road and snapped my clutch lever. now i use it all the time
Did you know that in my ATV my sequential foot pedal came off and it doesn't want to be I the shaft
You know how a pedal has an inch of play or so before it’s actually shifting. Why isn’t the the clutch? I think that destroys both normals clutches and quick shifters in practicality. Just don’t pull or push the pedal in preparation of shifting like a lot of people seem to do.
So you are saying that I can clutchlessly shift on my motorcycle which don't have a quick shifter??
yes
With proper technique, yes and with little to no effect on your gearbox.
I loved this video 😊
Also any bike can shift up at off cut whitout using clutch
This is indeed an important skill to learn on both a motorcycle and in a car. Not only can it help you in a bind, but it is an extra rool in the box for your everyday riding or driving.
Been clutchless changing for 60 years, better for the gearbox if done correctly
Learned to do this on an RD350 back in the 70's.
Bro I clutchless shift my BRZ on a regular basis because OEM throwout bearing craps out on me on a regular basis.
I learned this on my 50cc
I keep forgetting I can do this and also I may have destroyed my clutch that one time trying something 😅😅😅
I only do this going up through the box!
Would it damage the gearbox? My 250cc doesn't equipped with quickshifter yet, but i've done this several times ...
Started doing it on my 200, then 250 and then 600. done 96000km on the 600 with no gearbox or clutch problems. BUT would not recommend to do it from 1st to 2nd until you are use to it
@@danieljohannesjansenvanvuuren this. I second this.
Also depends on technique and gearbox quality tho. If you just forcefully shift under load, up or down, the coupler on the gears (dog?) will erode resulting in wobbly gears or break in extreme circumstances. Because mine did, lol. Thank god it's just a dirt cheap replacement on my bike (an old suzuki shogun sp, a 125cc manual moped). If it was rev matched correctly, or at least done not under load.
@@danieljohannesjansenvanvuuren Can i use clutchless upshit with 50% throttle? same with downshift?
@@Voltomess you can clutch less shift with any amount of throttle(except 100%, only if you have a quick shifter) you basically just have to roll off the throttle to get the gearbox in a state of no torque or pressure on the gears. on my cbr600rr at high revs i could roll back about only 10-20% to up-shift . and with clutch less downshift you can drop a gear by increasing throttle by 10-20%(blip the throttle)
I do this everytime with my Xr125 but only after 2nd cus it seem faster that way, it's kinda unstable to clutchless shift from 1st to 2nd. But I dunno about other bikes tho.
on my old 2006 honda cbf 500 i would upshift all the time with it jjust in high rpm dont even need to close the throttle that much just a bit just when you shift i can do it cars to but thats only fo rgetting home most petrol cars you can upshift at abouth 2500rpm depends on gearin my 2019 polo its 2200rpm an down only a bit higher so only slow driving.and on my honda i could up shift with keeping the throttle on now it gives more ware on the dogs that ingage with the gear
I could've used this that one time when a clutch axle broke on my CBR. Not the cable, the axle. just my luck.
ty man. helped a lot
What happens when you shift without using your clutch by mistake
using the clutch less saves my hand when on long tides on my dirtbike. also makes the clutch last longer too
Not breaking also makes the break pads last longer too
@cesarantonioenriqueramirez i ride 2 stroke bikes so not for me
@@cesarantonioenriqueramirez Not using bike saves fuel too
My whole body ate shit practicing 😭😭😭
can i apply the same technique on kawasaki z900??
I have been doing clutchless shift my entire life without knowing the name i thought everyone does that
Can i use clutchless upshit with 50% throttle? same with downshift?
@@Voltomess no you have let go of throttle for second in upshifts and down shift you fully let go of the throttle when going down and get a feel of your bike how it reacts to the shifting
I do it on upshotong on my 1995 Honda CB500, but sometimes find "false neutrals". What's happening there?
3:23 What do you do if have to come to a stop with a snapped clutch cable?
is it safe??? Is it harm for gear box??
Made the likes 420😏 I learned this the second week after starting riding purely out of curiosity because I remembered reading somewhere that for sequential gearboxes you don't even need to use the clutch if done right. It was really easy to learn even for downshifting but now I dont really do it often anymore. Also.. about a month ago when I downshifted without the clutch I didn't put enough pressure on the gear lever and something odd happened. It was like I was stuck between two gears which is what's called a false neutral I think. I immediately pulled the clutch lever but nothing really changed I heard a weird switching/electronic noise coming from my gearbox and it sounded like it was trying to determine in which gear it was. Its the same sound it normally makes when shifting to neutral with a Kawasaki. My gearbox worked fine directly after that though and there was no grinding noise or locked up rearwheel or anything during the incident.
Super all the best for your channel.
I actually did a clutchless upshift on accident the other day when my brain farted and I just... didn't open the clutch, lol. After it happened I was like "oh, hey, I guess I did the thing"
I kinda like this series😅
Is it safe from 1st to 2nd?
Which Yamaha model is this and does it come with the same exhaust or its custom
Should have shown them how to take off from a dead stop without clutch.
When you say smooth, does it mean shifting without any jerking or to the shift lever gliding into the next gear(both maybe?)? When I try to clutchless shift, the shifter seems to make a little jump rather than gliding. Am I doing something wrong? Any help appreciated :)
As somebody who often do clutchless shifting... I dont suggest clutchless downshifting..
This method doesn't harm the bike?
can i cause damge if i mess it up like one or two times? i wanna try it but im afraid that i will break something.
It just won't shift if your timing is off and nothing will happen. It should not take more force than normal shifting if matched to the shutting of the throttle
How’d you start your bike if your clutch cable snaps? (After putting it in neutral)
Gaining inicial speed by foot, in my case
This video title make me think you sold your Supermoto and bought a DCT Honda riding sofa.
does this work on a 125?
i have a 125. i'm a new rider i found out i can shift into any gear at any speed at any rpm without the clutch. i'm not sure if it's bad for the bike or not
How do you practice this on a bike with a QS installed?
I don't know about your bike, but on mine (Tiger 660) I can disable the QS in the Settings Menu
Your qs should only realy work while on the gas. So if you do it while off the gas you should be doing it right.
Rip clutch plate 😢
ive actually spent time learning to clutchless shift on my grom, it doesnt have a quickshifter so even closing the throttle when shifting it jerks a little, any advice?
but you can buy autoclutch motorcycle like Honda Super Cub 😅
Get a Honda DCT…
You have the quick shifter so why? Clutchless down shifting is like an art in timing engine speed to road speed, mess it up too much and you will wear the dog teeth in the gears causing endless false neutrals. Been doing it for decades. BTW, get a car for the push bike as it's too high of a load on a motorcycle. Danger Will Robinson !
Up or down I used to just hold the shifter in place for a second until there is load to make sure it doesn't pop out.
@@pgnandt if dog teeth are worn it will still jump out, pull an engine apart to find out why. I rode a friend's GS1000e in the mid 80s where 3rd gear would sound like metal being munched, moreover my GSX1100EX would keep jumping out of 2nd gear even after holding the gear lever, I dismantled the engine and replaced worn 2nd and 3rd gears, hope that helps you to understand or inspires you to dismantle an engine to find out how it all works. I do like your info and keep doing it .
@@scottburns2712 I'll take you word for it. Best advice is to use the clutch. Btw I did find a few animations showing a motorcycle transmission. Cool stuff.
Nah pls don't down shift without your clutch it will damage you clutch plates.
happened to me can tell
You guys like blown gearboxes and damaged teeth in your bikes…..
ADS for a 3 min video is crazy
Just came here to say; this is indeed an important technique you should try to learn, especially if your bike doesn't have a quickshifter.
A few days ago I needed to go and get some rations for my dogs, I ended up going to the shop on my bike as I was already somewhere else with it, coming back home without a backpack the only way I could carry the 5kg~ bag was with my left hand( I should make this clear, do not ride your bike with only one hand, it's not only unsafe but also may result in a ticket or worse, depending on where you live. A bit of do as I say not as I do kind of thing, for your safety) and thankfully I've been practicing up and downshifting this way for some time.
On the safe side, this technique can make your trips less tiresome, leaving one of your hands work free and making the ride more entertaining while trying to rev match!
Oh and a small tip; do not force the transmission into gear, try to be delicate yet deliberate with your inputs. If done right the gearbox should kind of "suck" the next gear in when you engage the shifter.
The only question about this technique is "doest it really safe for our bikes?" Cause in my understanding, the way qs work is blip the throttle, then in milisec the gears changed (as mentioned more detail by the video) so in theory, it would be safe for the gears to changed while there's no load and the main thing is, its is indeed quick. but when we downshift too as well, how do we rev match it? Does is really that safe? I'm a bit concerned if the gear would actually still worn overtime.
This clutchless shifting thing would work on a two stroke old yamaha? The engine is in pretty good shape, but i ask myself if i really should try. (It is a Brazilian Rd135)
@@rioadithia1374 For downshifts, it's a bit more challenging to do it without some harm done but, I believe, it wouldn't destroy your transmission in a few bad attempts, and if done correctly there shouldn't be any damage, as the gear just "go into place" . I generally just go up in the gears without the clutch to be safe.
Try to practice downshifting with the clutch and blipping the throttle so the engine revs aren't affected when releasing the clutch when the gear engages, then you should be on point to do it without the clutch.
@@rioadithia1374 Nunca tive a oportunidade de fazer isso numa 2 tempos mas muito provavelmente deve funcionar como nas 4 tempos, isso pra subir de marcha. Mas eu não faria isso pra reduzir de marcha pela fato desses motores serem bem sensíveis a mudanças de rotação, certamente é possível mas imagino bem mais difícil que numa moto 4 tempos. De qualquer jeito nem tem muito tempo pra ser ganho numa redução comparado a aceleração
@@rioadithia1374 amann rusak ya beli lagi
Can't agree more that more people need to know this skill, I had my clutch cable tampered with last year and was sitting on two strands for a 300 mile round trip that couldn't be skipped and I couldn't take my car.
Also, just a warning for those learning the skill, be ready for a bit of a jolt from time to time as you're not gonna be as smooth with it as you are with the clutch.
Just did this the other day, definitely interesting. I wonder if done incorrectly how much damage it can cause like the shift forks or chipping the teeth on the gears etc. Best to probably practice on the less expensive bike until mastered.
Definitely. I once broke my gear coupler (dog? Cmiiw?) on my bike when I often forcefully shift (I'm still learning the rev matching thingy). Not completely broke but kinda eroded and make it wobble. Thank god it was dirt cheap (the one I broke was a 125cc moped)
It's a small window in the rev, just learn to use your left hand effectively, it is a much better skill and then focus on accelerating and cornering. Learning to clutchless shift is like learning to read a book while riding a motorcycle....I'm sure people can do it effectively, but it is a dumb skill to fixate on when there is so much more to motorcycling.
nowbie quetion here, tried doing it on my bike, but as soon as the new gear pops in the bike "jerks" forward, any idea why?
the bike is a cb500x
I usually cluthless upshift sometimes, I do find myself downshifting as well, but not so much. It's fun to use the clutch to rev match anyway though.
Clutchless shiting is a great technique for poor people.
*looks at my cvt moped*.
*looks at the mirror*.
"I'm poor".
Use a quick shifter if u can't manually shift without one 😅
Only reason to clutchless upshift is because you have a break of concentration and forget to use the clutch or the clutch cable is broken. Either way you ain't gonna save much time at the track despite what they say, and you miss that window and you are just needesely wearing out the transmission faster. I mean do you really think your left hand is that slow??? That is why you have two hands on a motorcycle to begin with, best to learn how to use all the parts a motorcycle carries, and then focus on speed and cornering. If you can't work a clutch then get a electric motorcycle.
Agree,have clutch but don't want to use it, better get semi automatic bike no clutch lever but still need shift gear or get fully auto. Clutch is there for reason if cable broken i understand but use clutchless everyday. For me better use quickshifter more safe if don't want to use it just turn it off so I can use clutch normally. I don't understand what special about ppl that use clutchless shift.
Lol I just learned this before it was a thing and apparently it's really hard 🙄
It was called quick shifting before quickshifters were invented.
Actually I was the taught clutchless shifting before the regular shifting.
But I find shifting using a clutch to be smoother when riding with a passenger.
that's one rusty chain bro (just came from your chain rust video lol)
Actually, for "proper" shifting even when using clutch lever, user should push gear lever a little bit, to cancel slight freeplay. After few days od shifting that way its a lot easier to try clutchless change:)
I was lucky my riding instructor years ago teach us that method.
Great video chaos. but you gotta clean that chain brother. seeing all that rust hurts my soul. =)
I'm a new rider, only driven 4 times, and I broke my clutch lever 2 days ago while off-roading in the middle of nowhere. I had to drive back for 30 minutes without using the clutch.
Tjy! Since when do you release a midweek video?
I did this once by mistake 🙂
Yeah, so much for the 'how-to', without providing the smallest clue as to WHY this is even possible without straining synchro's or dog's or selector forks....
The build of motorbike g-boxes employs 'drum selection' , which provides for some 'slack' between gear engagements by design, completely UNLIKE cars or trucks or tractors.
The DRUM is reason this can be done safely, it has very little to do with any 'skill' of the rider. BTW, do not ry this in your manual G-Box car, the parameter are MUCH less forgiving, i.e EXPENSIVE.
I take a shot every time when Justin says "however"
How do you get your bike going without a working clutch for this to be of help?
How do you blip the throttle with a broken clutch cable to rev match the clutchless downshift?
And how do you do all this without putting unwanted stress and damage on your gearbox.
Because that's the whole excuse for bothering with what is a useless technique that brings nothing to the table except for bragging rights.