Darth Dawkins (Christian Presuppositional Apologist) Declares War On Everyone And Rage Quits!
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- Опубликовано: 2 ноя 2024
- Darth Dawkins (Christian Presuppositionalist) declares galactic warfare on myself, Planet Peterson, Monkeyboy, FloydFP, Lawrence Krauss, and Graham Oppy. He then proceeds to rage quit.
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If Van Til flopped it out, Darth would suck it.
That is a definite possibility.
darth would argue with himself, if he could get a word in.
@@HarryNicNicholas
He’d boot himself after he’d been muted.
He would definitely do a 3 way with Van Til and Bahnsen.
@@benlinus1310 that would be Triune, an ohmage to Jesus.
It's phenomenal how badly he needs to project every one of his flaws onto everyone that disagrees with his Gibberish, to maintain his personality.
He's so completely intellectually broken that his entire life has been reduced to regurgitating the same self-justification loops of nonsense terminology because he cannot admit to being wrong.
DingDong is what happens to a brain that gets stuck in a blue screen of death. He's literally got a single program running, and it has completely maxed out his neurology just to maintain it.
It would be wonderful to have a conversation with him, at arms length, in an MMA ring. It's the only way to actually "communicate" with him about how the physical world is Self-Evident.
I've been asking these same questions day in day out for 14 years; darth.
@@porkyboy4226 he loves the smell of his own farts.
Excellent summation.
I finally understand DD. Mentally replace everything he says with “I know you are but what am I?”.
You are right! He is broken.
*_”They just don’t understand biblical presuppositionalism…”_*
….and I’m not willing to explain it to them, instead I prefer to keep quizzing them about it regardless.
LOL RIGHT!
Because he can’t demonstrate ‘biblical presuppositionalism’….theres no such thing it’s made up, its a book of stories.
"He's imitating me...adolescent behavior...."
Great point!
Darth constantly imitates other people mocking them….glad to see Darth admits his own behavior is adolescent.
I don't just presuppose my senses are working properly. I can get feedback from the world. If I see an elephant in my living room and noone else does, then that means I'm probably hallucinating.
Great point!
And that's why the presupp routine is so wacky. Essentially everyone proceeds from the assumption that our sensory experiences provide information about an external world that actually exists-- you, me, Darth, everyone. But these donuts are out here saying _yOuR wOrlDviEw Can'T aCcOuNt fOR thAt!!_ like saying "jesus" explains anything or as if anyone should care.
I'm just curious, how do you get "feedback" from the world while avoiding assuming your senses are working properly?
@@Dizerner Much as I assume the sun will come up tomorrow (because it always has) and I assume that pressing the space bar on my laptop won't cause my house to explode (because it never has) I assume my senses are working properly because I seem consistently able to affect my surroundings in predictable ways.
But don't confuse that with me saying I have access to perfect understanding of an external reality! I'm happy to grant that our sense are obviously flawed, be it in mundane ways, like optical illusions, or more severe ones, like schizophrenia.
Are you a presuppositionalist? I've never been clear on how, exactly, declaring the existence of a god entitles one to certainty that they're not a brain in a jar.
@@Dizerner rather "properly enough to be consistent and therefore relatively reliable". For example, our eyes see the world upside down, and our brains automatically reverse the image. Our eyes has flaws such as not enough zoom to see microorganisms or distant planets, has the blind spot, could be damaged, etc, and our brain can be easily fooled by visual illusions. But even with all those flaws, our eyes help us navigate, read, etc.
Darth is master of word salad debates using only his delusional rules.
That is why he needs to say sorry.
What in your worldview does this thing we made up that only god does and is definitely necessary? If you don't have that, nothing works and you're a sad boy. This is the stupidest argument ever. Only effective through bullying tactics. Darth will die leaving nothing behind as his legacy.
Great points!
Yup, it boils down to if not my god then which god because only a god is a satisfactory answer to Darth's question.
@skynet3d he will be leaving alot of gobledygook, philo-sophistry and copium smoking for future generations to laugh at though.
@@CrowManyClouds Which actually means ‘magic’ is the only satisfactory answer to things. Crazy.
Parakeet with the "Can you prove he didnt prove it" Does DD go anywhere without one of his little minions to back him up?
LOL
Yep, Darth has always had his minions they’re a required part of his schtick, he must have hype men over his shoulder cutting in mocking and muting people on command, plus after Darth gets beaten he assembles his drater crew and replays what happened in front of them changing it so that he won. It’s so crazy.
We should just start referring to them as his boy toys from now on.
"Immitating me, this is the adolescent behavior" -Darth Dawkins
Dont think he realized the self-jab 😂
LOL
Destroyed himself.
Meanwhile Darth ‘imitates’ people all the time mocking their accent or like a child on the playground giving them a dumb sounding voice…..the guy really has the mind of the child and he’s always trying to project that onto others.
When darth won't accept a probabilistic answer and demands a nonprob answer , he is demanding one to lie . He not only lies constantly , he demands others to lie to him. He is no christian
Seriously, how can ALL these Presups not figure out the problem with claiming to "debate" an issue that they're specifically arguing is not debatable.
It is ridiculous the way they just plug their ears and stomp their feet when this is pointed out to them, too.
Very much so. Great points. Christian presuppers can not handle the truth that their worldview is riddled with incoherencies and they are metaphysically bankrupt.
I don't claim that god isn't necessary. I claim I don't need god. I'm not scared.
Amazing point here!
Don't make him cry now
He did cry lol
One of my favorite dd interactions was with Laurence Krause on Canadian catholic's channel a few years ago where Krause called dd's rhetoric verbal masturbation.
I saw that live!
I kind of just stumbled upon this subculture. I am not regretting it. But I have a question: is Darth Dawkins liked by a lot of people? Why do I see his name several places?
LOL! No, everyone dislikes Darth.
It's funny.... I've been following apologetics discourse on yt for a _long time_ but I, also, only recently became aware of Darth even though a cursory search will show that his "debates" have a been a prominent feature of the platform for more than five years. I guess maybe the algorithm just decided it was time?
Anyway, my impression of Darth is that he's kind of a morbid curiosity in this space? He's broadly hated/mocked by philosophers, atheists, and even other theists, but tends to have a small, cultish group of acolytes that hang with him until he gets sick of them or they realize what a doofus he is. That said, he's so damned dogged in running his presuppositionalist script, and so genuinely unpleasant, that people seem compelled to interact with him just for the spectacle of doing it. He's like if that show _Hoarders_ was about exploring trashy ideas instead of trashy houses? You know it's going to be gross in there, but you still want to see it...
He will consider you as a "friend" if you play the "Yes Man" role. Just shake your head yes, accept, and agree with everything he claims, and take it in like your favorite candy. He will perceive you as a ''friend.'' Now, the flipside: disagree with him on any point, no matter how miniscule, and your ''friendship'' with him ends.
The bottom line, be EXTREMELY cautious of this character, the same way you would be cautious of walking on hot broken glass with bare feet. He is the kind of person who would talk to you as if you are his "friend," as if everything is perfectly fine, and then, one or two nights later, he's in another room, telling his "friends" how much of a moron he thought you were when he spoke with you.
@@shassett79 Thank you for your reply!
@@DARTHDAWKINSDEBUNKEDTHEWEBSITE Wow, lol. I will be wary!
*_”What institutes and secures unity in the world….”_*
This assumes there is something that secures it, and it also assumes humans could ever even know what that thing is.
He is just begging the question.
It also assumes that there is ‘unity in the world’, I don’t even know what that’s supposed to mean. We have ‘gravity’ and that unites the matter and substance of the earth, other than that what is Darth claiming is so ‘United’? Sounds like a buzzword to me, something that doesn’t actually exist but Darths claiming it certainly does now you must explain it.
@@davids11131113 Yep, that's another baked-in assumption too. Well spotted.
For the sake of medical advancement, please can someone donate darth to a science lab!
On it!
He might have to do it himself if he's still living in someone's driveway.
Darth disagrees with almost everything Pmars says, when he's not talking over him. It's hilarious.
Yes it is lol. PMars is a better apologist too.
Also, you have to love Darth thinking he's smarter than people like Krauss or Oppy. In reality, it's not that people can't argue against Darth, it's a combination of two things:
- Darth's discord-style "debate" tactics (e.g. muting people, feigning outrage, overtalking)
- Nobody credible takes presupositiontlism seriously
Philosophers don't give a shit about Van Til, so why would they care about a yt troll approximating Van Til's arguments? Alex Malpass asked a great and telling question: If Darth's arguments are so amazing, why doesn't he publish them and see how that goes? Like, it's great harassing people on discord, but pretending that it puts you above professional scientists and philosophers is just kind of sad.
He doesn't publish because he gets annihilated in every debate.
Darth is clearly terrified of Taco, he autistically screeches whenever he’s in the room then he poops his pants and runs away every time. Wow crazy.
Great point!
Just record how long it take for him to enter every room you enter and make a compilation video of it.
I think this time was 15 or 20 minutes if I remember correctly.
Whenever someone says “you never see anyone over 70 with Down syndrome” I point them to Darth Dawkins
Interesting lol
Hmmm I don’t think that came out how you meant it, let’s not insult those with Downs Syndrome.
I love how Darth is such a disagreeable person, he even disagrees with his servile followers on reflex, even when they're agreeing with him.
RIGHT! LOL always a kick.
@breakfasttacoos Eeesh... I know your pain. DD has followed me into rooms and hijacked conversations many times. He has also done that to my friends Ozy and Floyd Fp. This DD guy just ain't hooked up right. Seriously, there is something wrong with him mentally. He followed me into rooms on Discord and on Clubhouse. Literally, there were several months that I couldn't use those services without having this nutcase following me into rooms and derailing conversations. Something is wrong with this dude.
Hmmmmmm
Remember, he's NOT a stalker or a troll 😂😂😂😂
Gary is just a little boy.
@@LookOutForNumberOne i think you mean ickle boy!🤣
Salutations Breakfast tacos, welcome to the Dawkins crazy train.
Hopefully this was me finally getting off lol.
At 12:37, Darth says (quote) "When somebody says 'and neither can you' uh, this is how stupid they are because then, that's, that, that statement 'neither can you' is a performative contradiction." Well, guess what Darth, welcome to the club Pal! Darth, guess who it was that used the exact same phrase, TWICE, in his chat with Allthelove84? At 22:00 minutes in the video, the same phrase comes up, by Guess who? (Name of video is T-shirt winner! Darth Dawkins rages and curses at "Allthelove84")
Thank you for pointing that out!
@@realBreakfasttacos I like to point out his contradictions, but when I can show where he unwittingly does it to himself and according to himself, those ones are the most fun.
“All he’s doing is mimicking me”
I thought that was pretty funny.
How exactly does Darth's god "secure" the unity and diversity of the world? What does "secure" even mean in this context? Does it simply mean that his god created all contingent reality? How does that "secure" them? Darth's word salad needs to be dissected. I wish I could have a constructive conversation with Darth to go over this but it is impossible given his abusive character.
Great point Floyd!
God's nature as a Trinity (one essence in three persons) provides a model for understanding how unity and diversity can coexist. God is seen as the creator and sustainer of all things, ensuring the coherence and order of the universe.
@@Sophia_Tal Does god's nature as a trinity make him logically subject to the number 3?
@@Sophia_Tal How does it explain it? The Trinity is an EXAMPLE of the problem of the one and the many; not a solution. The Trinity is ONE being with MANY (three) particulars. It just asserts that both the one and the many are equally ultimate and both exist but the problem is to decide which one is the ultimate. We see the one and the many in other examples like the universe; UNI(UNITY) VERSE(diversity). We even see the one and the many in a pile of sand. The pile is one, but it is also many because it is many grains of sand. That is a necessary characteristic of the pile, if there is only a single grain of sand, it isn't a pile. Therefore a pile of sand is necessarily simultaneously one and many. Does that mean a pile of sand answers the problem of the one and the many? Of course not. It is just an example of the problem. The Trinity itself is an incoherent concept to begin with and doesn't answer the problem. You can't solve one mystery by appealing to another; especially an incoherent mystery such as the Trinity.
@@FloydFp Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that this notion that some "thing" must secure a certain state of affairs is actually an undercutting defeater for the presup position. For example to suggest that God _must_ secure the uniformity of nature, is to imply not only that nature _could_ be another way, but also that it necessarily defaults to some other state. In other words the default state of the universe is non-uniform, and it can only appear uniform if God imposes that property onto the universe. Well okay, but aren't they now suggesting that there is a possible state of the universe (non-uniformity) that _doesn't_ require God to sustain it? If that's the case then their God _can't_ be the ultimate ground of all being, and all of the other biggest bestest mostest superlatives that attach to it. Meanwhile the universe in that default state would seemingly be non-contingent and the answer Darth is really looking for.
Darth is a stalker, and a troll.
Yes!
I've read Bahnsen, I've read Van Til. Darth does a pretty good job of parroting them really. Still a flawed argument at almost every point.
Great point!
How torturous were those experiences?
“I don’t watch it”
He watches these, lol
You notice he kept repeating “…performative contradiction…”?
That phrase recently appeared in one of Tacos videos. He definitely watches Darth videos.
You are correct!
He also used a phrase I used last night. He definitely saw my video on the Cosmological Argument.
And he watches his old '''debates''' . . . prolly with lube and a box of tissues.
As a Christian Presup, i can't take Darth (and his inner circle) seriously anymore after watching Light Before The Tunnel expose Darth. He does all the exact same crap he gets so mad at atheists for, except he only does it for his presupposition for Cosmology. Exact same crap. He literally starts acting just like atheists if anyone disputes his presupposition of Heliocentrism. The hypocrisy is too much. I just can't listen to him and all his meta attacks of atheists when he handles cog dis no differently himself.
Yeah, Darth is kind of wild.
It's fascinating that you would have that specific interpretation of what Light Before the Tunnel did. Rather than see the whole presup argument as being incredibly flawed, you instead see Darth as wrong because he disagrees with flat earth bs? I mean Darth (Gary) is and idiot and presup is a terrible way to argue, but Light Before the Tunnel is truly no better.
stop stalking him, derwood. holy fuck.
KEvron
LOL! I Totally agree KEvron!
15:31 “I don’t care about anyone” at least he’s not lying
Very true!
I have a psychiatrist friend I had her listen to some Darth she thought it was very interesting, she said ‘this is a person under great mental suffering’.
I think «Bahnsonian» is my new favourite word.
It is a pretty great word!
@@realBreakfasttacosit sounds really occult, which fits right in with Darths belief in magic.
barnthon?
Wait wait wait. Darth Stalkins??
Yes that is correct!
The projection by these folks is hysterical lol
Absolutely!
@@realBreakfasttacos if you can’t do this made up thing I say about grand unified bullshit … you cant do anything at all … pfffff
I would love to talk to Darth. I would ask him one question. What the fuck are you smoking? If the guys ideas and brains had a current, it would not light an LED
Excellent point!
Ironic he thinks of teens as immature, while he acts like a 6th grader
Great point!
I’ve listened enough to actually feel badly for him. For real, he’s in pain.
Yeah he is!
Darth is so entertaining. He's so over the top. It's hard to imagine he's for real, but he is.
Real talk.
As a Christian Presup myself, I recommend everyone check out Light Before The Tunnel exposing Darth Dawkins as a prideful hypocrite, and demonstrably so. Every personal attack he levels at at atheists in these videos, he does himself to an even more severe degree when he is caught off guard and uninformed on a topic.
But more importantly, it is hypocritical and prideful for a Presup to even engage in debate about this. It's even worse than debating Calculus.
Darth is being misleading by presenting it like a "debate" when he's actually just trying to teach people something that they don't agree with.
THAT is dishonest. If youre going to try teaching, then make it clear that's what ur goal is. Don't dishonestly present it like a debate when ur not gonna debate, like Darth does all day every day.
Light Before The Tunnel predicates from an absurd worldview. Light's worldview REQUIRES that the primary metaphysic secure the uniformity of nature. Light claims the God of the Bible as their primary metaphysic. The deity can (and has, according to the Bible) violate the uniformity of nature at any moment. A uniformity that can be violated at any moment is not secure.
Darth is an idiot though.
The flat earther... yeah, nothing that guy says about Darth isn't already self evident. He doesn't expose anything.
The short cut to DD's mute/block list is calling out the fact that he doesn't know.
Know what?
@realBreakfasttacos "What the ultimate grounding for blah blah insatanciates and maintains blah what is or isn't possible." If you call these people out and expose that they are just making shit up, or stealing from a book written by bronze age naives, they just shut down. They're taking one extra step than unbelievers do, and pretend to know what cannot be known.
I thank god that Darth is a young Earth creationist . Well I would if he existed.
LOL
I don't read literally any philosophy of religion, don't need it to generate critiques 💀
And I was literally just asking for an argument for the claim, but ok lol. Presups cope.
Christian presupp is nothing but cope!
I can't really care about Darth's position until he exhaustively explains how his worldview accounts for the possibility of war.
He can't account for it!
The fact that he doesn’t realize pmars is trolling him is peak hilarity
Right!
Oh you can be CERTAIN he watches these videos.
100%
When meta is all you have left, you sound like these chuckheads.
Presup. is dead. Pull the plug.
Yes it is, please pull it!
Did you get the Darth v Ian convo on Tik Tok?
I want darth away from me!
Ian told me about that convo, idk if he recorded but I can ask him.
what about god makes it inherent that I "Can't know anything" without them that I can't make about having active chemical responses in the brain that explain how thinking works?
He never answers that!
Something somethign special pleading
Great questions!
It’s all just claims that Darth presents as fact, then says you now have to disprove it.
you can't say anything about darth that hasn't already been said, unless he suddenly developed good manners.
Great point!
Wow that like a huge critique on themselves.
Yes!
Has anyone asked DD to give an example of something that ISN’T designed? I’d like to know the difference for future reference.
I believe so actually.
Only 4 weeks ago, huh. I feel like I'm closing in on him.
Are you trying to find Darth or something?
@@realBreakfasttacos I've always regretted not being able to chat to Thomas Aquinas, so Darths the next best thing.
Another shining example of Xtiandom!!!
Absolutely!
Not familiar with that term.
@@michjefferson77 Christiandom?
Surely this Christian assumes his senses are reliable in order to determine that he has detected the revelation of God?
Actually his senses rely on god!
To be fair, Taco's pfp does look stupid. That's my valuable 2 cents. Thanks
That is not fair.
@@realBreakfasttacos life's not fair buddy. Sometimes you just gotta play the hand you've been dealt the best you can. ❤️
Most Presups: Allow & encourage people to dispute God all day.
Also Most Presups: Refuse to allow anyone to dispute Heliocentrism
What does this NECESSARILY ENTAIL about their ultimate authority? That it can't possibly be God, in actuality.
So they do not actually believe the worldview they're arguing for. The very fact that they're even trying to "debate" the issue tells you that.
It's a simple performative contradiction that they will never accept but everyone around them sees. They are literally using cell phones. They know no gods exist.
A stalking Dawkins?
Odds bodkins!
Yes lol! Darth Stalkins
I disagree with almost everything darth puts forward as his reasons for his positions.
The idea that if you're talking about degrees of certainty via knowledge and someone states you can't know anything, implying with a 100% certainty, and the response is nor can you. It is truth that you can't know that to 100% certainty. As decarts demon is there as well as many other objections. I don't think it is preformitive to say you have the same problem about certainty of your knowledge as you know you can be deceived or misunderstand.
I think everyone disagrees with Darth.
So when do you guys have Deepak Chopra on? Is it weekly? The word salad is so deep in this video, and every video I see with these jackwagons, that I don't understand how anyone takes them seriously. They are the "essential oils chicks" of the philosophy world.
LOL Great point!
People don't mind presupp because it's useless if you don't believe. It's useless. Like Gary.
Great points!
The biblical records, good god
LOL RIGHT!
Also, for people like DD, aka narcissistic abusers, every accusation is a confession.
Yes! You are correct!
Darth has latched onto a new buzzphrase; "performative contradiction". Of course, he is using it incorrectly. To say that humans cannot know if God exists is not a performative contradiction. It is an epistemic claim.
I wonder where he heard that term used!?
Lets talk about jesus 😂😂
Darth never talks about Jesus!
Gary has always been a sociopath.
Correct!
@Taco would it at all be interesting for me to go into a room with this guy and identify as a Christian as I was raised and baptized in 1994 and since I share this concrete objective grounding of our epistemology in the Christian God worldview would he actually engage in argumentation with me since I’ll have equal epistemological ground thus not being so easy to dismiss when I ask him “how can the claim that "God is good” not be a mere tautology if the “good” is defined in terms of God’s nature?”
He also said today that humans cannot fully know what god knows because to know that one must be god so god can only analogize and still we would only be able to come to a crude human understanding. Which made me think well then how are you appealing to God’s universal objective grounding of all things being that you cannot understand this so called grounding and I also have this divine cross eyed revelation and I completely disagree with your entire view of Christianity as well as your interpretation of our presuppositions and their objective epistemic groundings? Sorry for the long rambling message but I would like to out bull shit the old bull shit script as well as his baked in way of avoiding questions or justifying his own worldview. Anyway love the channel
Thank you and great points! The discord is discord.gg/politics.
@@realBreakfasttacos I was in the Christian chat where the guy where that dude tried to run your presup argument on that poor girl who I would guess was the worst Christian alive to try and run an inductive argument like that by. The he wanted to call her dumb when it was clear she just wasn’t philosophically literate enough for that tactic. He missed the part where he made the dumb decision to ask her the question and then didn’t even try to explain it in any other way that she might be able to understand. Did you record that conversation?
Darth Stalkins
Correct!
Aw cmon now, don't make it look like Darth has the face of Prophet of Zod! Zod is way too awesome to be associated with this guy. And Darth isn't nearly that handsome.
You have no idea how hard it was to get to this point with the image.
@realBreakfasttacos oh I believe you - I tinker with AI generators for my D&D character images. Sometimes they turn out great, but I have to sift through, like, hundreds of iffy, bad, or flat-out uncanny valley results before I find the good ones. Gotta take what it gives you.
Does he think word salad makes himself smart? I can’t understand a word he’s saying.
hilarious
I thought so too.
Weird you can just apeal to reality. no reality, nothing would exist therefore all things are contingent on reality. No excuses needed, the most parsimonious argument, job done.....
It just depends on the words you are using.
@@realBreakfasttacos I have had the fun of breaking darth a few times, he doesnt like the problem of polytheism and as a polytheist a lot of his arguments break down
Where is Darth these days?
I believe he is on tik-tok.
Projection
Absolutely!
Just ban his ass already...
I wish
Did he throw his binky?
That is correct!
Dude you’re obsessed with this guy in an unhealthy way.. this is beyond parasocial obsession
I think you are confused.
Concrete principle??? Huh
He was asking about what is most fundamental.
What a lot of gibberish! "There is unity in the world"? then "what institutes and secures that there is unity at any level in the world what makes it real"? When you stack metaphysical nonsense on metaphysical inanity, you don't get sense. For myself, I see no "unity" in the world, so I don't need to explain what secures it. Neither ontologically nor by an other way. My first encounter with Darth Dawkins, and I hope it will be the last.
Great points!
So taco how bout you answer Darth's question? In your atheistic naturalistic worldview, what in fact is your single unifying principle that provides for intelligibility in your model of reality??
He's not doing philosophy dude.
He's asking in a round about way though what is the necessary being in your worldview, which is presupposing that infinite regress and brute fact are not my answer. It is a loaded question and his position is theology not philosophy. Not even worth addressing him until he apologizes.
@@realBreakfasttacos wow. that was an amazing, incoherent, wonderful dodge to the question.
Darth Stalkins
Correct!
Darth Stalkins
You are correct!