As a jiu jitsu fighter i agree. It has given jiu jitsu a bad image over the years. It is a ground fighting art so you should learn how to take it there.
@Shaun K running isn’t all about knowing how to put your shoes on, but its pretty damn important to do first. I also don’t think that anyone implied that grappling is all about takedowns. Its just something you should know.
@Shaun K If you can't take someone down, what control exactly do you have over them? I've trained both BJJ and Judo - takedowns are essential for the real world to apply your BJJ.
@Shaun K there is a reason why you don't see a lot of butt scooting in MMA; even though MMA doesn't directly translate to the real world, it gets a little closer than more restrictive sports.
Not making a statement about BJJ vs Wrestling. If anything we wanted to showcase how incredibly effective wrestling can be when you understand a little BJJ. It’s simply a title and a thumbnail that gets people to click. If I posted this video with their names or a different title, it might get 100 views in a day. With this thumbnail and title it’s gotten over 11,000 in less than a day and because of that more people than every know who these men are - compared to if I just named it “Mikey England vs Austin Baker”
@@subspectrumbjj I'm pretty sure the title "190 pounds wrestler vs 240 pounds BJJ brown belt" would get the same or even more views. At least there is an underdog to root for.
Based on how your speaking, it comes to sound that your a wrestler, who feels attacked. I know how you feel, because I felt the same. But you have to understand that this isn’t about which one is better. Both are very effective, however, wrestling tends to favor the feet, and BJJ favors the ground. It went exactly as expected. I wrestled for ten years, and I’ve done BJJ for 4 months. It proves how effective it is. Please understand that this isn’t about which one is better, it’s about a really good match between two different grappling backgrounds.
We would never allow it and Mikey would never do that. He wants to compete against and beat the best. With a little more Jiu Jitsu experience I believe he could do really well in the ADCC ruleset.
@@subspectrumbjj I appreciate that mindset. There was a money comp that I'm not going to name. The white belt winners were MMA fighters and a D1 wrestler. I've been to past comps with Judo black belts and such competing at white belt. I just don't understand it.
I enjoy facing better fighters as a white belt. Our gym throws us to the wolves and forces different levels of experience for all of us. The wrestlers are savages,
There’s a lot that went into his ability to defend that choke. I speak on it briefly in the commentary but would love to dive a little deeper into an explanation about it.
Those are the comments we love to see. These videos are not suggesting bjj is better than wrestling or vice versa. They’re to show that all styles of grappling can be successful when used in the proper sequence. It’s those that can put it all together who will be Champions! Thanks for watching and interacting positively in the comments. It means a lot!
@Arrgh Jay If those top level BJJ guys ever try to start an MMA career, they’re going to need those wrestling basics. Just like you said - absorbing what is useful in each, which was what Bruce Lee said. He was right all along.
@Arrgh Jay it is absolutely a problem and something even I experienced up until the last year or so. I can tell you my game improved dramatically after implementing more wrestling and leveling up the intensity of the practices that I coach to be more like the wrestling practices I had in HS.
Wrestling takedowns and control can nullify a lot of BJJ. Size differential can really nullify a lot of wrestling. There's magic in the blending of both moment to moment.
@@GreyEagle_35 train wrestling first, as a kid in youth league. Then BJJ when you get a little older, 16+. The foundation in wrestling is far superior.
@@yusufgta4341 I'm not sure what you mean. I said train both... but for kids, train Wrestling first b/c there's a built-in network of youth Wrestling leagues across the US in every public school nationwide. BJJ is still niche coast to coast. Both are great for different reasons. Wrestling for power/controls, BJJ for finishing.
I grew up wrestling and transitioned to BJJ after high school. Wrestling gave me a really great base to get started in BJJ. Forever grateful for everything I’ve learned about technique and life on the mats.
Can you reccomend a RUclips channel that shows how practicioners of each style can use skills and technique from all the other grappling styles to fill the gaps in their grappling game?
Wrestlers who have experience grappling with BJJ students who have their basics down - generally have respect for it. The people who show disrespect for BJJ - are the ones who have zero experience with it.
There was a massive weight difference between the two and anyone who has any experience in wrestling or grappling knows how hard and exhausting it is when the other guy has 30-40lbs on you
No doubt. I broke down some of the things he did technically to escape in another comment and plan to do a video breakdown during the month of June! Thanks for checking out the video and dropping a comment for the algorithm! 🙌🏼 helps the channel and the athletes in the video out more than most people realize!
After wrestling and doing gi jiu jitsu I learned very quickly how important both are . Most importantly developing a hybrid . Learned a lot from the judo players as well . They have submissions and take downs you wont find in BJJ .
Judo takedowns are such a great tool in the clinch their submission could maybe also surprise a pure bjj or wrestling guy. It's important to know all 3
@@erickirschenbaum2804 Yep , I was never an expert at any of these but I know all 3 . So it really helps when you're going up against higher belts or wrestlers that can practically hold a freightliner down .
Well timed and executed sweep from the bigger man - Austin Baker! Mikey got a little overzealous in that position and paid the price. Excited to see a rematch between these two at some point down the road!
Really appreciate that man! I love doing commentary and while I still feel like I have a long way to go to become the commentator I believe I can be - it’s nice to be recognized for doing something right 🙏🏼
As a wrestler absolute respect for the jiu-jitsu guy going takedowns with the d1 guy. That was a superb performance. Obv a blackbelt should beat a d1 wrestler with little to moderate experience in grappling. The way the jiu-jitsu guy baited him into getting out of position was art. There's so much that can be learned from this video and I'm sure the wrestler enjoyed the experience
Exactly why this is one of my favorite matches in the archive. You really get to see a lot of great grappling between two guys with completely different backgrounds. Just a great match all around.
@@АлександрАлексей-т1ф I don't care much about the weight and neither did the wrestler. The results would be very similar if the weight was the same. A d1 wrestler with not a lot of jiu-jitsu experience has little chance against a black belt. But a purple or brown belt d1 wrestler should be able to stop a black belt 6/10 times
This is amazing just goes to show what happens when a wrestler dives into rolling. Division and Olympic wrestlers are a whole ass animal in themselves.
BJJ guy was bigger stronger taller and was able to just lift the wrestling guy when in dangerous position.. good sportsmanship great competition.. keep it up guys you both are high level
Mikey is a stud and D1 wrestler. At that level those guys are “black belts” in base, scramble, hand fighting, escapes, pins, takedowns, grit, explosion, conditioning, mental toughness etc. they are used to no gi handles. Mikey is also an up and coming mma fighter. A smart grappler and a great guy. I’m a fan!
I feel like modern BBJ already incorporates lots of wrestling moves and principles. It's a great combination. Takedowns + submission = beast level. Of course if you are gonna be in the MMA, aside from tackling and submitting, you are gonna need to learn other styles that utilize punches and kicks.
"I feel like modern BBJ already incorporates lots of wrestling moves and principles." BJJ comes from Judo, Japanese jujitsu, and Catch Wrestling. Esai Maeda was a Catch Wrestler, in addition to being a judoka. It is my understanding that later on, Carlson Gracie integrated wrestling into his version of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. Additionally, Rolls Gracie took up wrestling and he probably took content from wrestling into BJJ.
Really good friendly match. While Austin did great and has really good submissions, I was very impressed by Mikey’s takedowns on the big buy and his defense of getting out of those chokes.
Regardless of the opponent - Austin is a high level grappler. Showed it once again in our most recent even taking Submission victories in all six matches along the way to capturing our Advanced Gi and No-Gi Absolute titles 🏆🏆
Lachlan Giles does this in one of his free RUclips videos. If you're really interested, let me know and I'll figure the link + timestamp. And yes, it's a really nice move.
"That sweep austin went from sidecontrol on bottom to top mount in mid air.." If he initiated it from the receiving end of sidemount, then it is not actually a sweep, but an escape.
I think mikey would've won if body weights had been equal. But at the same time I really like that in sub grappling people are very loose with weight divisions.
Hard to say if that is true or not, but like you said, it’s very common to see huge weight discrepancies in submission grappling - especially in this bracket. Our Absolutes draw athletes of all sizes!
@@subspectrumbjj hard to say for sure yes. But that D1 status means a lot. Because even when a wrestler or judoka lacks the arsenal or finesse of a submission specialist, simple relentless pressure of being pushed, pulled, thrown and slammed can physically or mentally break a more skilled opponent. The wrestler having come from such an environment, is likely to have better raw strength and cardio too. If you take khabib for example, most his career has involved wrecking opponents with relentless takedowns, controls, trips and throws. The submissions he finally applied have never been things his opponents never knew how to get out of, but eventually they just give up.
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At this point, I have to wonder: what is jiu-jitsu? It's not a thing anymore, it's many things. Unlike amateur wrestling, which has much stricter rulesets, BJJ (and more importantly its practitioners) are happy to co-opt other styles and then call it part of their own jiu-jitsu. Wrestling techniques are now for wrestling AND jiu-jitsu. Or judo AND jiu-jitsu. Styles don't really mean anything anymore, and really have to wonder when "x vs y" will fade away as title names because they're already almost meaningless.
Probably very little we didnt try any submissions I'd love to see these divison 1 wrestlers train in submission wrestling The outcome would be very different
Most of these video headlines are misleading. Almost all of the matches the guys train at jiu-jitsu gyms but might have backgrounds in other martial arts. It is click bait.
No stupid questions man. Thank you for asking and giving me a chance to analyze the position to give my opinion about why he would have done that. In that position if he begins to address the choke, his hands are occupied and unable to be used for anything except defending his neck. Austin was already sliding off the back and although the choke looks deep, if Austin cannot maintain the chest to back connection, it’s very unlikely he will finish the choke. Austin committed to the choke instead of the seatbelt giving him less overall control. The position and movement of Mikey’s shoulders is already disrupting the chest to back connection that Austin needs to finish the choke. Because of that shoulder movement and positioning he can dedicate his efforts to fighting the hook coming over the top and to his far hip because without that hook Austin is unable to regain the chest to back connection that is required to maintain control and finish the choke.
It was just nice to see a video of a bjj guy that was willing to stand at all for once!! Excellent work for both of them in my opinion. The winner was just to big in my opinion.
Too big and too skilled. The way he set up that last sweep was beautiful. Driving into Mikey so he would drive back in, switches directions, and SWEEP!
@@subspectrumbjj he was just too big. Wth size comes strength. The wrestler could only do so much with his skills. I give all props to the wrestler, he didn't get tapped at all and he's a stud for going in there.
Can’t deny the skills. Every time he made a mistake he made him pay for it. I saw someone mentioned 65 pounds as the tipping point for an advantage in grappling in another comment which is complete bs in my opinion. If that was the case then why are most weight classes about 15 pounds except for heavyweights? I’ve always been super impressed with the body control and flexibility of high level bjj guys. Bjj is a thing of beauty at high levels. I sometimes wish they would mix in more judo and wrestling takedowns as the 3 different skill sets seem like they would compliment each other extremely well?
@@thecasuallongsword Plus the dude has been wrestling for 20+ years and doing BJJ for 12-18 months. If he was going to identify as anything it would be “a wrestler.” The “D1” provides context about the level of wrestler that he is.
He put on the clinic on the feet. And even on the ground he held his own and did a tremendous job defending the back and chokes. Especially when you see what Austin did in our most recent event - it’s truly impressive. Mikey England is no joke.
I wrestled in college and placed top 5 in the nation. When I go grapple, I usually handle the bjj guys. I just don't know many submissions. Wrestling translates extremely well.
Austin is back this Saturday in both our Advanced Gi and No-Gi Absolutes! We’ll be going live Saturday at 9:30 AM central time if you wanna tune in and check it out 🎥🔥 guaranteed to be an awesome event!
2:01 - When I do hip-bump sweep, I like to sit up as high as possible while still keeping my guard closed. Ideally I would maintain chest-to-chest pressure during that part of the transition. In principle, I would not unlock my guard until after I have placed my left hand on the mat to post (like Austin is doing). I dislike unlocking my guard first and then sitting up. (Some teachers teach it that way???) I fear that if I do it that way, then it gives uke a chance to create space, which makes the move less powerful.
Well played match 👏 I love seeing that BJJ can bring together wrestlers, judoka, sambo and BJJ into formats where everyone can cross pollinate. I love all grappling!
There’s probably somebody who could explain it better, but I’ll do my best. Thank Division 1 is the highest level of collegiate wrestling and includes the top 75 or so college programs. Below that is Division 2, Division 3, NAIA, Junior College, etc.
Not talking smack at all. I'm really not. I'm actually a BJJ player, not a wrestler. But watching the BJJ guy butt scooting and pulling guard in order to avoid wrestling with the wrestler, while it is a smart thing to do, it just highlights to me how the BJJ ruleset handicaps wrestlers. Reminds me a bit of Floyd Mayweather using boxing rules to escape every compromising position Conor McGregor put him into, which, in any other set of rules, would've led to a complete mauling.
Great upload, great match. Mikey's a stud for sure. Title of the vid is fine, no need to mention weight, but you should address discrepancy in the description.
As a Muay Thai and Tang Soo Do Master, this is very new to me. I really enjoyed it! To my untrained eye, they seemed somewhat similar in technique. Thanks for posting.....Bill
Our events offer over 100 divisions for athletes to register by age, weight, or skill. This is our Advanced No-Gi Absolute and it is the highlight spectacle of every event. Open weight, open rank, cash prize on the line. Everybody is locked into this mat waiting to see what might happen and who will walk away Champion. Produces some of the most exciting and entertaining matches we’ve ever seen at our events and everybody loves it.
@@cardanai of course! Thank you for checking out the video and dropping comments for the algorithm 🙌🏼 helps the channel and the athletes who compete on our events more than most people realize.
Nice channel. Long time wrestler too old to start Jujitsu but starting to watch it more. How come some matches are weight classes and some are not? Do they win the weight class and grapple for event/ open championship?
Career Wrestlers will almost always top other styles. Throw submission work on top of that and you have a very dangerous opponent. This guy will be scary in the future.
I've always heard the jiu jitsu community is small, but I didn't expect to hear the name of someone I've rolled with as a previous competitor in this tournament, lol. Jesseray Childrey (sp?), prior to Covid he was occasionally at our school during the no-gi. He's an absolute beast. He was probably giving me 5% effort and crushing me.
Always interesting when BJJ competitor competes against a wrestler and the BJJ uses a lot of the moves that originated in wrestling, like the double-hooks and riding from behind.
No doubt. In talking with Mikey one-on-one he learned a lot from this match and so did Austin. Austin's standup game has improved dramatically since this match. In our most recent event we even saw him taking people down and I'm not sure we even saw him pull guard once along the way to capturing both the Men's Advanced Gi & No-Gi Absolute titles.
Mikey, a Division 1 wrestler with about 12-18 months BJJ experience, entered our Advanced No-Gi Absolute (open weight, open rank) and made it to the semi-finals where he faced off against Austin, a BJJ Brown Belt.
I agree. Mikey’s performance against our now reigning Absolute Gi & No-Gi Champion is incredibly impressive considering what Austin did in our most recent event. Thanks for dropping a comment for the RUclips algorithm 🙌🏼 helps the channel and the athletes in the video out more than most people realize 🙏🏼
the wrestler had some bjj knowledge but white belt level top control, which a lot of wrestlers always seem to do, put their weight in one direction but man for a kid who is probably a white belt in bjj he really gave the brown belt a run. Goes to show that athleticism really is what makes the sport and than technique after.
He was in the first couple years of his MMA training so definitely had some BJJ knowledge and was actually a fresh blue belt at the time. But like you said, incredibly impressive how he was able to hang with a grappler the level of Austin Baker and avoid the submission. Especially if you check out Austin’s matches from our most recent event where he submitted all 6 opponents on his way to capturing out Advanced Gi & No-Gi Absolute titles 🏆🏆
Butt-scooting should be banned in submission grappling. It gives BJJ players no incentive to learn how to take someone down.
As a jiu jitsu fighter i agree. It has given jiu jitsu a bad image over the years. It is a ground fighting art so you should learn how to take it there.
@Shaun K running isn’t all about knowing how to put your shoes on, but its pretty damn important to do first. I also don’t think that anyone implied that grappling is all about takedowns. Its just something you should know.
@Shaun K If you can't take someone down, what control exactly do you have over them? I've trained both BJJ and Judo - takedowns are essential for the real world to apply your BJJ.
@Shaun K there is a reason why you don't see a lot of butt scooting in MMA; even though MMA doesn't directly translate to the real world, it gets a little closer than more restrictive sports.
100 % ... think Khabib and GSP
Impressive how evenly matched they were despite the major size difference
Agreed. Styles make matchups and this was a perfect example of that fact.
Wait who was bigger!?
@@James.1_2-3 Austin had about 50 lbs on Mikey
I didnt it was that close tbh.....close un points but Austin had his back twice with 2 close chokes and two sweeps.....
@@subspectrumbjj holy shit. 50 pounds? Could you imagine if they weighed the same. Crazy
Title should say:
"190 pounds wrestler vs 240 pounds BJJ brown belt".
Not making a statement about BJJ vs Wrestling. If anything we wanted to showcase how incredibly effective wrestling can be when you understand a little BJJ. It’s simply a title and a thumbnail that gets people to click. If I posted this video with their names or a different title, it might get 100 views in a day. With this thumbnail and title it’s gotten over 11,000 in less than a day and because of that more people than every know who these men are - compared to if I just named it “Mikey England vs Austin Baker”
@@subspectrumbjj I'm pretty sure the title "190 pounds wrestler vs 240 pounds BJJ brown belt" would get the same or even more views. At least there is an underdog to root for.
Based on how your speaking, it comes to sound that your a wrestler, who feels attacked. I know how you feel, because I felt the same. But you have to understand that this isn’t about which one is better. Both are very effective, however, wrestling tends to favor the feet, and BJJ favors the ground. It went exactly as expected. I wrestled for ten years, and I’ve done BJJ for 4 months. It proves how effective it is. Please understand that this isn’t about which one is better, it’s about a really good match between two different grappling backgrounds.
@@alessandrosaltsman2202 Exactly! ^^^
I think I must’ve thought I was responding to a different suggestion cause this is actually a good one.
Nice to see the wrestler in the appropriate division. I've seen some D1 and MMA guys cleaning out whitebelt divisions lately.
We would never allow it and Mikey would never do that. He wants to compete against and beat the best. With a little more Jiu Jitsu experience I believe he could do really well in the ADCC ruleset.
@@subspectrumbjj I appreciate that mindset. There was a money comp that I'm not going to name. The white belt winners were MMA fighters and a D1 wrestler. I've been to past comps with Judo black belts and such competing at white belt. I just don't understand it.
@@The_RUclips_Critic it's because they are afraid, afraid of getting rag dolled by someone with their own level of skill.
I enjoy facing better fighters as a white belt. Our gym throws us to the wolves and forces different levels of experience for all of us. The wrestlers are savages,
Lately?
5:24 Now *THAT* is chain wrestling
Beautiful stuff! 🙌🏼
Amen . This is why I want boxing and wrestling before Muay Thai and jiu jitsu
That was insane how he managed to escape the almost rear naked choke hold
That's because he is calm
@@farhcawalid8224 Yes...OSS...!!
@@farhcawalid8224 time management was perfect. But I would've tapped before he even started choking 😭
There’s a lot that went into his ability to defend that choke. I speak on it briefly in the commentary but would love to dive a little deeper into an explanation about it.
@@subspectrumbjj would love to see that. Subbing in hopes you make that vid.
5:24-5:44 Wrestling clinic. 20 seconds of gold!
Seriously! Can’t tell you how many times I’ve clipped that section out and posted it to Instagram. It’s a thing of beauty!
watch for the woman in the back with her mouth open in awe at the end of the clip hahahha
@@jasonbennett2194 Funny - I think that's what I did too. Maybe not for as long as her, though.
Finishing is more important...u slammed him now how do u finish?
@@MansaMusa-v5q ground and pound
I enjoy seeing comments of wrestlers and jiu jitsu practitioners giving props to one another. Both are needed to become a great grappler!
Those are the comments we love to see. These videos are not suggesting bjj is better than wrestling or vice versa. They’re to show that all styles of grappling can be successful when used in the proper sequence. It’s those that can put it all together who will be Champions! Thanks for watching and interacting positively in the comments. It means a lot!
@@subspectrumbjj I would say that wrestling and BJJ have different strengths.
@Arrgh Jay If those top level BJJ guys ever try to start an MMA career, they’re going to need those wrestling basics. Just like you said - absorbing what is useful in each, which was what Bruce Lee said. He was right all along.
What is unfortunate is that people cannot formally train in Wrestling after they finish school, like they can in BJJ, Judo, or Karate.
@Arrgh Jay it is absolutely a problem and something even I experienced up until the last year or so. I can tell you my game improved dramatically after implementing more wrestling and leveling up the intensity of the practices that I coach to be more like the wrestling practices I had in HS.
Wrestling takedowns and control can nullify a lot of BJJ. Size differential can really nullify a lot of wrestling. There's magic in the blending of both moment to moment.
No doubt - it's a great match!
Train both BJJ and Wrestling I say, through in some techniques from Judo and Sambo and you got an unstoppable grappler
@@GreyEagle_35 train wrestling first, as a kid in youth league. Then BJJ when you get a little older, 16+. The foundation in wrestling is far superior.
SV not if you end up on your back. Wrestlers aren't good on their backs or know to protect their backs.
@@yusufgta4341 I'm not sure what you mean. I said train both... but for kids, train Wrestling first b/c there's a built-in network of youth Wrestling leagues across the US in every public school nationwide. BJJ is still niche coast to coast. Both are great for different reasons. Wrestling for power/controls, BJJ for finishing.
Both of these guys are super impressive and this was so much fun to watch. THANK YOU!
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As a wrestler, I learnt a lot from BJJ guys. So respect.
I grew up wrestling and transitioned to BJJ after high school. Wrestling gave me a really great base to get started in BJJ. Forever grateful for everything I’ve learned about technique and life on the mats.
Can you reccomend a RUclips channel that shows how practicioners of each style can use skills and technique from all the other grappling styles to fill the gaps in their grappling game?
@@cgiles9086sambofusion9486
Wrestlers who have experience grappling with BJJ students who have their basics down - generally have respect for it. The people who show disrespect for BJJ - are the ones who have zero experience with it.
1:28
"Beautiful single leg."
White shirt: It would be a shame if people couldn't enjoy this.
It was a multi camera set up so it was hard to stay out of the way of all cameras, okay lol I’ll do better next time 😂
@@subspectrumbjj Haha, that's fine. But if you have multiple cameras, switching perspective would be very helpful.
Yeah that was a good Single Leg Sweep !!!!!!!
🤙💪👌
👏👏👏👏👏👏
There was a massive weight difference between the two and anyone who has any experience in wrestling or grappling knows how hard and exhausting it is when the other guy has 30-40lbs on you
Facts bro 😂
That recovery from the crank with full back control was insane
For real though. His escapes in this match were crazy. Couldn’t believe he kept Austin from getting all the way to his back with hooks in
You can tell the wrestler is a great attack wrestler. Set ups and takedowns were flawless.
5:56 is so smooth
Mad props to the wrestler on 2:46 U gotta have a lot of mental strength and patience to pull that off!!!
Houdini with the escape act, incredible!
Very impressive!
Man he got heart fighting out of that backtake rear naked choke attempt..beautiful match very good both guys
No doubt. I broke down some of the things he did technically to escape in another comment and plan to do a video breakdown during the month of June!
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Give that wrestler much credit. If he learns some more jiu-jitsu he will be a beast
He is. Really solid MMA fighter on the cusp of getting his opportunity in the UFC.
After wrestling and doing gi jiu jitsu I learned very quickly how important both are . Most importantly developing a hybrid . Learned a lot from the judo players as well . They have submissions and take downs you wont find in BJJ .
all 3 is best!
@@evision4418 I'd be more worried about someone is super good at one thing than okay at many .
Judo takedowns are such a great tool in the clinch their submission could maybe also surprise a pure bjj or wrestling guy. It's important to know all 3
@@erickirschenbaum2804 Yep , I was never an expert at any of these but I know all 3 . So it really helps when you're going up against higher belts or wrestlers that can practically hold a freightliner down .
Now just learn muay thai
that flip around he did at the end with his legs was crazy
Well timed and executed sweep from the bigger man - Austin Baker! Mikey got a little overzealous in that position and paid the price. Excited to see a rematch between these two at some point down the road!
Awesome commentary and great match. I know grappling can be boring for your average person but matches like this with solid commentary are so fun.
Really appreciate that man! I love doing commentary and while I still feel like I have a long way to go to become the commentator I believe I can be - it’s nice to be recognized for doing something right 🙏🏼
As a wrestler absolute respect for the jiu-jitsu guy going takedowns with the d1 guy. That was a superb performance. Obv a blackbelt should beat a d1 wrestler with little to moderate experience in grappling. The way the jiu-jitsu guy baited him into getting out of position was art. There's so much that can be learned from this video and I'm sure the wrestler enjoyed the experience
Exactly why this is one of my favorite matches in the archive. You really get to see a lot of great grappling between two guys with completely different backgrounds. Just a great match all around.
Being 50lbs also helps
@@АлександрАлексей-т1ф I don't care much about the weight and neither did the wrestler. The results would be very similar if the weight was the same. A d1 wrestler with not a lot of jiu-jitsu experience has little chance against a black belt. But a purple or brown belt d1 wrestler should be able to stop a black belt 6/10 times
I wonder what goes through the mind of a wrestler when his opponent goes to the butt-scoot position?
@@perfectsplit5515 "don't extend your arms"
This is amazing just goes to show what happens when a wrestler dives into rolling. Division and Olympic wrestlers are a whole ass animal in themselves.
1:28 a beautiful leg sweep
BJJ guy was bigger stronger taller and was able to just lift the wrestling guy when in dangerous position..
good sportsmanship great competition..
keep it up guys you both are high level
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Mikey is a stud and D1 wrestler. At that level those guys are “black belts” in base, scramble, hand fighting, escapes, pins, takedowns, grit, explosion, conditioning, mental toughness etc. they are used to no gi handles. Mikey is also an up and coming mma fighter. A smart grappler and a great guy. I’m a fan!
Thank you for the comment! Mikey is a great dude 🚀
I feel like modern BBJ already incorporates lots of wrestling moves and principles. It's a great combination. Takedowns + submission = beast level. Of course if you are gonna be in the MMA, aside from tackling and submitting, you are gonna need to learn other styles that utilize punches and kicks.
proficient jab to keep strikers away (mayb a side kick too) and work on bringing them elbows down hard while on top and you should be fine..
Takedowns plus submitting is catch as catch can wrestling .
"I feel like modern BBJ already incorporates lots of wrestling moves and principles."
BJJ comes from Judo, Japanese jujitsu, and Catch Wrestling. Esai Maeda was a Catch Wrestler, in addition to being a judoka. It is my understanding that later on, Carlson Gracie integrated wrestling into his version of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. Additionally, Rolls Gracie took up wrestling and he probably took content from wrestling into BJJ.
I like how you can really tell which one the wrestler is just by his style and how he approaches everything
I've fought Austin a few x and man he is somthing special. Good all around guy.
that was an awesome match -- these guys should become sparring partners for each other
That would be awesome. Would love to see these guys tear it up in the training room too. That’s where you get the best footage! 🎥🚀
Really good friendly match. While Austin did great and has really good submissions, I was very impressed by Mikey’s takedowns on the big buy and his defense of getting out of those chokes.
I’ve wrestled for 11 years and I can tell you right now it’s mental to get where you want to be.
what do you mean?
@@xy5844 like how hard you practice and what your goals are affect where you end up that’s for a lot of things
thanks for answering i follow wrestling and i enjoy it but im old and its hard where i live to find a gym that teaches this old art
That sweep austin went from sidecontrol on bottom to top mount in mid air.. THAT WAS INSANE!!
Regardless of the opponent - Austin is a high level grappler. Showed it once again in our most recent even taking Submission victories in all six matches along the way to capturing our Advanced Gi and No-Gi Absolute titles 🏆🏆
Lachlan Giles does this in one of his free RUclips videos. If you're really interested, let me know and I'll figure the link + timestamp. And yes, it's a really nice move.
@@anonymousreviewer169 please do.
"That sweep austin went from sidecontrol on bottom to top mount in mid air.."
If he initiated it from the receiving end of sidemount, then it is not actually a sweep, but an escape.
Wow crazy how far wrestling can take you in a different sport
I think mikey would've won if body weights had been equal. But at the same time I really like that in sub grappling people are very loose with weight divisions.
Hard to say if that is true or not, but like you said, it’s very common to see huge weight discrepancies in submission grappling - especially in this bracket. Our Absolutes draw athletes of all sizes!
@@subspectrumbjj hard to say for sure yes. But that D1 status means a lot. Because even when a wrestler or judoka lacks the arsenal or finesse of a submission specialist, simple relentless pressure of being pushed, pulled, thrown and slammed can physically or mentally break a more skilled opponent. The wrestler having come from such an environment, is likely to have better raw strength and cardio too. If you take khabib for example, most his career has involved wrecking opponents with relentless takedowns, controls, trips and throws. The submissions he finally applied have never been things his opponents never knew how to get out of, but eventually they just give up.
@@dfpguitar he would have won for sure if the weight was more even.
@@dfpguitar ya but without his bjj knowledge
He would've got submitted way earlier my dude
The commentary on this match was exceptional.
Thank you! I really enjoy doing commentary and just this year have been able to get back to doing it. I personally feel like I still have a lot of work to do to be the level of commentator that I believe I can be but it’s nice to know I’m doing something right. Thank you for the kind words and for dropping a comment for the algorithm 🙌🏼📈🚀
At this point, I have to wonder: what is jiu-jitsu? It's not a thing anymore, it's many things. Unlike amateur wrestling, which has much stricter rulesets, BJJ (and more importantly its practitioners) are happy to co-opt other styles and then call it part of their own jiu-jitsu. Wrestling techniques are now for wrestling AND jiu-jitsu. Or judo AND jiu-jitsu. Styles don't really mean anything anymore, and really have to wonder when "x vs y" will fade away as title names because they're already almost meaningless.
Yeah, it does seem like styles don't mean much. It's just good grappling between two skilled athletes.
Dang. That situp sweep was Week 1 white belt technique. Always cool to see the basics in competition.
All about the basics 👌🏼
good performance from the wrestler in spite of a big weight difference. How much jiujitsu training has he had before this?
Probably very little we didnt try any submissions I'd love to see these divison 1 wrestlers train in submission wrestling
The outcome would be very different
@@Midnitedreary88 but he defended submissions very smoothly as well
@@elenchus
I agree
Most of these video headlines are misleading. Almost all of the matches the guys train at jiu-jitsu gyms but might have backgrounds in other martial arts.
It is click bait.
He looks like he has had a lot of BJJ training before hand. Look at the way he's defending and look how smooth he is in these positions.
2:36 why does he fight off the left leg instead of trying to fight the hands? Sorry if it's a stupid quest just a curious white belt.
No stupid questions man. Thank you for asking and giving me a chance to analyze the position to give my opinion about why he would have done that.
In that position if he begins to address the choke, his hands are occupied and unable to be used for anything except defending his neck. Austin was already sliding off the back and although the choke looks deep, if Austin cannot maintain the chest to back connection, it’s very unlikely he will finish the choke.
Austin committed to the choke instead of the seatbelt giving him less overall control. The position and movement of Mikey’s shoulders is already disrupting the chest to back connection that Austin needs to finish the choke. Because of that shoulder movement and positioning he can dedicate his efforts to fighting the hook coming over the top and to his far hip because without that hook Austin is unable to regain the chest to back connection that is required to maintain control and finish the choke.
It was just nice to see a video of a bjj guy that was willing to stand at all for once!! Excellent work for both of them in my opinion. The winner was just to big in my opinion.
Too big and too skilled. The way he set up that last sweep was beautiful. Driving into Mikey so he would drive back in, switches directions, and SWEEP!
@@subspectrumbjj he was just too big. Wth size comes strength. The wrestler could only do so much with his skills. I give all props to the wrestler, he didn't get tapped at all and he's a stud for going in there.
Can’t deny the skills. Every time he made a mistake he made him pay for it. I saw someone mentioned 65 pounds as the tipping point for an advantage in grappling in another comment which is complete bs in my opinion. If that was the case then why are most weight classes about 15 pounds except for heavyweights? I’ve always been super impressed with the body control and flexibility of high level bjj guys. Bjj is a thing of beauty at high levels. I sometimes wish they would mix in more judo and wrestling takedowns as the 3 different skill sets seem like they would compliment each other extremely well?
Awesome, Do you have a video of the final after this match?
Yes! We’ll be uploading that match here shortly so stay tuned!
@@subspectrumbjj cool! Thanks for the quick response. Liked and subscribing.
@@DOSEightyEight Of course! Thanks for checking it out and interacting in the comments! 🙏🏼🚀 It’s helps us out a ton!
Both of them are very technical, really good match
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D1 wrestler WITH BJJ experience against Brown Belt.
Correct with like 12-18 months of BJJ Experience. The title is meant to keep it short & simple - providing enough context to interest viewers!
There's also catch wrestling. Most D1 wrestlers have some submission experience.
@@thecasuallongsword Plus the dude has been wrestling for 20+ years and doing BJJ for 12-18 months. If he was going to identify as anything it would be “a wrestler.” The “D1” provides context about the level of wrestler that he is.
This was a great match. Both opponents deserve respect.
Those standing trips by the wrestler are a thing of beauty.
He put on the clinic on the feet. And even on the ground he held his own and did a tremendous job defending the back and chokes. Especially when you see what Austin did in our most recent event - it’s truly impressive. Mikey England is no joke.
That sweep at 5:58 is fire
He set it up perfectly too. Driving into Mikey knowing he would push back and when he did - sent him for a ride!
I wrestled in college and placed top 5 in the nation. When I go grapple, I usually handle the bjj guys. I just don't know many submissions. Wrestling translates extremely well.
who cares
@@drobichaud1000 ☝️Suffers from low-T
I used to train mma with Mikey. Guy is a monster no cap💯
No don’t about it. They don’t call him the “Maniac” for no reason 😤
Great match. That escape and sweep to top at the end was magic.
Austin is back this Saturday in both our Advanced Gi and No-Gi Absolutes! We’ll be going live Saturday at 9:30 AM central time if you wanna tune in and check it out 🎥🔥 guaranteed to be an awesome event!
As someone that does jiujitsu I can’t stand how so many jiujitsu people immediately drop down to their butt and then scoot around.
Yeah , like , let's pretend getting a kick to the face is a possible threat. It makes the fight look dumb
@@TheAlgerietop It's a sport, not a street fight.
@@TheAlgerietop Amazing logic there Algerie!! You know, the next time I have a Jiu Jitsu match I’ll start with a hook kick or a flying knee!
2:01 - When I do hip-bump sweep, I like to sit up as high as possible while still keeping my guard closed. Ideally I would maintain chest-to-chest pressure during that part of the transition. In principle, I would not unlock my guard until after I have placed my left hand on the mat to post (like Austin is doing).
I dislike unlocking my guard first and then sitting up. (Some teachers teach it that way???) I fear that if I do it that way, then it gives uke a chance to create space, which makes the move less powerful.
What's the weight difference here?
Probably 50ish lbs. The cash prize Absolutes create some pretty crazy match-ups.
@@subspectrumbjj the wrestler was impressive despite the difference. Both amazing athletes for sure
That weight difference.... ouch
@@GallowsPole805 That’s what you get when you enter the Cash Prize Advanced Absolute!
@@subspectrumbjj yeah I know... he signed up
Well played match 👏
I love seeing that BJJ can bring together wrestlers, judoka, sambo and BJJ into formats where everyone can cross pollinate.
I love all grappling!
This is the right response!
did really well against a 50lb disadvantage, next do 240lb div 1 wrestler against 190 lb bjj brown belt
That brown belt would get slaughtered if the weight classes were switched lol. Suplex city.
I was wondering what the weight difference was, it clearly wasn't evenly matched in that regard. 50lbs is pretty huge.
Can someone explain me the ranking in American wrestling ? What’s D1 ? National ?
There’s probably somebody who could explain it better, but I’ll do my best.
Thank Division 1 is the highest level of collegiate wrestling and includes the top 75 or so college programs.
Below that is Division 2, Division 3, NAIA, Junior College, etc.
A D1 wrestler is a black belt level grappler
Both amazing to watch. Can go either way every time. I loved watching GSP wrestle. He had it down perfect
Not talking smack at all. I'm really not. I'm actually a BJJ player, not a wrestler.
But watching the BJJ guy butt scooting and pulling guard in order to avoid wrestling with the wrestler, while it is a smart thing to do, it just highlights to me how the BJJ ruleset handicaps wrestlers.
Reminds me a bit of Floyd Mayweather using boxing rules to escape every compromising position Conor McGregor put him into, which, in any other set of rules, would've led to a complete mauling.
Absolutely beautiful to watch, and the commentary was informative and easy to digest for all audiences 👍🏽
Appreciate the kind words and the positive comment, Braedan!
Imagine the match if they were the same size.
What do you think would happen? This is the game you play when you enter the Sub Spectrum Absolutes!
Great upload, great match. Mikey's a stud for sure. Title of the vid is fine, no need to mention weight, but you should address discrepancy in the description.
This is our Advanced No-Gi Absolute, so almost every match has a weight discrepancy. Last event we had a match that was 170 lbs vs 330 lbs 😳
@@subspectrumbjj Lol u people are maniacs 👍
Nice to see Mark Kerr found the elixir of youth
😂😂😂
I thought the same thing
Smashing machine jr
Great effort from both. They kept going strong right to the end as they were both already exhausted from a whole day of rolling.
I started realizing I’ve been doing 2 different Jiujitsu styles...one for sport and the other for self defense.
Exactly. It’s possible to train and compete with two different styles for different kinds of competition or emphasis.
that dude escapes chose chokes so easily. It takes so much skill and knowledge to get out of those.
Jesus saves. Love you guys.
Thanks man
I was waiting for some underhook throws or some throwing the legs in on top from the d1.
I’ve seen more exciting chess matches
Congratulations lol go watch chess.
I’ve seen more exciting choreographed movie fights. I watch actual competitions so I can see what is realistic, rather than what is exciting.
The balance display on both of them is amazing, I would have fallen like a log.
The knee tap was beautiful that's what wrestling is all about ❤
As a Muay Thai and Tang Soo Do Master, this is very new to me. I really enjoyed it! To my untrained eye, they seemed somewhat similar in technique. Thanks for posting.....Bill
you have never trained muay thai in your entire life
Lol.
Don't they have weight classes in these tournaments, or is this an open weight class bout?
Our events offer over 100 divisions for athletes to register by age, weight, or skill.
This is our Advanced No-Gi Absolute and it is the highlight spectacle of every event. Open weight, open rank, cash prize on the line. Everybody is locked into this mat waiting to see what might happen and who will walk away Champion. Produces some of the most exciting and entertaining matches we’ve ever seen at our events and everybody loves it.
@@subspectrumbjj sounds cool, thanks for the reply.
@@cardanai of course! Thank you for checking out the video and dropping comments for the algorithm 🙌🏼 helps the channel and the athletes who compete on our events more than most people realize.
Nice channel. Long time wrestler too old to start Jujitsu but starting to watch it more.
How come some matches are weight classes and some are not? Do they win the weight class and grapple for event/ open championship?
Seemed to be quite a difference in size, but both showed exceptional skill.
There was. This was our Advanced No-Gi Absolute (open weight, open rank) but agreed tremendous skill exhibited by both competitors.
You would literally need a gun to get one of these animals off of you lol....I love it. Mad respect for anyone getting even close to this level.
Appreciate you dropping a comment and a positive one at that! 🚀🚀
This Baker guys sweeps are insane
He’s a beast!
Muscle mass and Body weight plays a major role in 1 on 1 combat. Period.
Career Wrestlers will almost always top other styles. Throw submission work on top of that and you have a very dangerous opponent.
This guy will be scary in the future.
Is this is a sub only rule set? Didn't see any points for e.g. back control.
The volume on everything is so low. I’m at full volume and i still can’t make out a lot of what you’re saying
Must be some terrible speakers lol cause the audio is loud and clear over here for this match.
@@subspectrumbjj “i edited it so there’s nothing wrong with it”
I've always heard the jiu jitsu community is small, but I didn't expect to hear the name of someone I've rolled with as a previous competitor in this tournament, lol. Jesseray Childrey (sp?), prior to Covid he was occasionally at our school during the no-gi. He's an absolute beast. He was probably giving me 5% effort and crushing me.
Can’t wait to get back in the gym!
Injury or COVID related?
@@subspectrumbjj The Pandemic situation here in Europe. The gyms are back open but contact sports are still on hold.
Always interesting when BJJ competitor competes against a wrestler and the BJJ uses a lot of the moves that originated in wrestling, like the double-hooks and riding from behind.
For a total noob do you suggest bjj first and add wrestling to compliment or Vice versa
Awesome match. This perfectly exemplifies the strengths of Bjj and wrestling with regard to their respective forms of control.
We think so too! Thanks for watching and interacting in the comments 🚀 it helps out a ton!
Great match from both sides. Good work gentlemen.
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He got caught twice in that move top position. He will adapt and come back better for it.
No doubt. In talking with Mikey one-on-one he learned a lot from this match and so did Austin. Austin's standup game has improved dramatically since this match. In our most recent event we even saw him taking people down and I'm not sure we even saw him pull guard once along the way to capturing both the Men's Advanced Gi & No-Gi Absolute titles.
I don't understand. Do wrestlers do submissions? What was this for?
Mikey, a Division 1 wrestler with about 12-18 months BJJ experience, entered our Advanced No-Gi Absolute (open weight, open rank) and made it to the semi-finals where he faced off against Austin, a BJJ Brown Belt.
Good advert for Wrestling. I'm a BJJ fan.
I agree. Mikey’s performance against our now reigning Absolute Gi & No-Gi Champion is incredibly impressive considering what Austin did in our most recent event.
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I was really impressed by the wrestler . They both did a great job and showed great skills.
I don’t grapple, but liked this video - commentary was good at explaining what was going on 👍
This is what it’s all about!! Great match
Truly a great match. Thanks for checking out the channel 🙏🏼🚀
no points for the back take with both hooks in and stabilized? Is this a sub only tourney or something?
Similar to ADCC rules where the first half of the match is unscored and submission only and the second half of the match is scored.
Would be interesting to see a more even sized match up.
Some of those sweeps by the bjj guy were smooth
No doubt about it. Well timed and smooth 👌🏼
the wrestler had some bjj knowledge but white belt level top control, which a lot of wrestlers always seem to do, put their weight in one direction but man for a kid who is probably a white belt in bjj he really gave the brown belt a run. Goes to show that athleticism really is what makes the sport and than technique after.
He was in the first couple years of his MMA training so definitely had some BJJ knowledge and was actually a fresh blue belt at the time.
But like you said, incredibly impressive how he was able to hang with a grappler the level of Austin Baker and avoid the submission. Especially if you check out Austin’s matches from our most recent event where he submitted all 6 opponents on his way to capturing out Advanced Gi & No-Gi Absolute titles 🏆🏆
4:11 and 6:01 - Was Mikey attempting a cartwheel pass?