My husband’s cousin was on this flight. He had been sitting in the front but moved mid flight to the back to sit with a college friend. He survived but probably would not have if he hadn’t moved.
I was a senior in High School when this happened. Very tragic. Used to play golf at the golf course where 737 crashed. You could still smell airplane fuel for years later. Happy for all those that survived.
My grandmother used to fly Allegheny from McArthur Airport on Long Island to Schenectady, NY. This plane looks exactly like what I remember from the mid-1960s. There was no security in those days. I remember walking right up to the gate with her. Thankfully, she was never in a plane wreck. In fact, she lived to 102!
Mcarthur airport was the coolest place EVER. I remember sitting by the windows and watching the planes take off and land. My Dad worked for Pan American (out of JFK), and that experience will be with me forever.
It wasn't the fault of the aircraft, sadly, it was pilot error. Pure and simple and they paid for it with their lives, and others. Very sad story, What's even worse is the second crash two weeks later. Now that is unbelievable.
Great to see Dr. McCormick after all these years. I worked for him as a research assistant at Penn State and flew in the Aerospace Engineering Piper Cherokee with him.
I see you have watched this also...I would really love to meet you someday soon, it's something I've always wanted to do, Marc (facebook me! marc pugliese 301.461.1033)
I've always figured (and heard) that the time after surviving an airliner crash is statistically the most safe flying you'll ever do...the chances of being in a second major event are astronomical. There has only been a handful of people known to have survived one such crash, only to be killed in another. Glad you made it out that night. Take care!
L TR This is false. It’s a common mistake in reasoning that people tend to make called believing the maturation of odds. In point of fact, no matter how many times in a row a flipped coin comes up heads, the odds of it coming up heads again on the next flip are totally unaffected. Still 50-50. No matter how many times you play a slot machine without winning, the odds of it winning do not change... but people Imagine that odds mature, and so they keep putting in the coins... casinos prey on this error in reasoning to keep gamblers playing, and losing. You have the exact same chances in flying, before or after surviving a crash. YOUR individual experience does not affect the other folks flying, the age or maintenance of the airframe, the weather, nor the pilot’s skills, sleepiness, or mental health. In fact, there was One woman who survived the sinking of the titanic and its sister ship the Olympic, and was on board the third sister ship Britannia when it was struck by a British warship. Her odds of being aboard were magnified by the fact that she Worked for Cunard. In the same light... a steward who works for an airline that is not maintaining its aircraft properly actually has a higher chance of being in two accidents. Oh... and for example, a 4 engine aircraft actually has twice the chance of an engine failure than does a 2 engine aircraft. It’s just that losing one engine is less of an issue when you have 3 more.
It was, Tom, and a powerhouse of 8,000 turbine horsepower, which I flew for one year when Allegheny acquired Mohawk Airlines, in 1972, after flying the original piston engine (P&W R 2800) Convair 440, with half that horsepower, on a good day, at MOH.
I went to the spot where it went down. We met some survivors and rescuers, very emotional. Some of the pics are wrong but that's ok. Rita survived and I was born a year and one month later. Had she not survived I would not be around today. I will go back one day soon, Marc
@Cindy Tartt It's definitely suspicious. First he replies to her comment saying that he wants to meet her, then he says that he wouldn't be alive had she not survived, which implies that she is his mother or at least a relative... 🤔🧐 Sounds fishy to me.
I don't know how anyone watch this and not feel horror at the.way some of those people died and sympathy for their families and friends and yet some of the responses to comments are disrespectful, nasty and childish. Grow up and shut-up.
@Bg Labelle The Varig captain Giberto Araujo Da Silva died in 1979 when the cargo Boeing 707 (flight 967) on January 30, 1979 he was at the commands of disappeared somewhere in the Pacific after he survived, 6 years earlier, the crash of another 707 (Varig flight 820 in 1973) in which only one passenger survived. In this life, either you're a air company employee, either you're not.
@Bg Labelle Rita, the stewardess on this flight did indeed fly for another 39 years, maybe research before you bash someone that you know nothing about. I cannot prove that this is indeed the same lady but if now what they said is still true. Just because you would be to scared to continue doesn't mean others would feel the same way.
@Bg Labelle you called the op a liar and said noone would return to flying after crashing like this. Many people did continue to fly and indeed the lady named Rita who survived this crash flew for 39 more years. One passenger survived this crash and another crash at the same field around a week later!
I used to fly North Central Airlines now and then. I think most of their fleet were Convair 580s. We were once taking off from either Milwaukee or Green Bay in a heavy snowstorm (can't remember), and aborted the takeoff after travelling part of the way down the runway. After de-icing, we tried again and succeeded. but it wasn't a very secure feeling.
I passed thru & stopped in Bradford one time when I was a long haul trucker as US Route 219 was the only route to Buffalo, NY. from central PA. The people there were very nice & I still remember that 20 years later.
So long ago, and I remember this from the news. I was in first year high school, and Christmas Eve, a happy time for my family, all gone now. Sad time for these people, and I feel bad for them now.
I miss all my older generation family too, last one gone in 2014 & since then I have no ambition to go back home anymore as it just isn't the same now.
People used to dress up for flights, too. Freshly showered with minimal perfume and pressed in their best. Nowadays if I went to a flight like that I'd be detained lol
The cold, snow, and marshy ground probably saved lives in this case. The marshy ground and snow probably softened the impact for some of the passangers. The cold might of helped to slow bleeding for others. May the dead RIP. May the survivors find peace.
What was really fortunate was that they sheared both wings off in the crash while still moving. The majority of fatalities in a CFIT (controlled flight into terrain) accident, outside of say flying straight into a mountainside or something, where everyone is killed on impact, come from the post-crash fire, and the majority of those are not from the fire itself, but inhalation of toxic smoke from burning interior materials/fuel smoke. In this case, losing the wings and engines while still in motion removed the likelihood of a large fire in the cabin area, which is otherwise typical in this type of crash. In case you aren't familiar, aircraft typically carry their fuel inside the wings. Some larger ones will have a center tank in the belly but not the CV-580 like this, I don't think. So the cabin was isolated from a major fire, the way this played out. I did find it interesting that there was apparently no fire from either wing, at least not mentioned, as they said they only located the crash by the fire the survivors built. BTW building a survival fire near a crashed aircraft is not generally a good idea until you know where the fuel went, but given the circumstances it was the correct thing to do, it appears.
I LIVE IN WESTERN PA, THAT'S A REAL SAD STORY ABOUT BRADFORD AIRPORT AND THE PEOPLE WHO DIED AND GOT INJURED.... I NEVER KNEW UNTIL TODAY WHAT HAPPENED UP THERE TWICE... ME AND MY DAD WOULD GO DEER HUNTING UP THERE A LOT...I WAS BORN IN 1964, SO I NEVER KNEW ABOUT THIS... THAT'S A REAL SAD STORY ABOUT A CHRISTMAS EVE FLIGHT....
Unfortunately. In 1989, I believe it was the year a commercial airplane headed to Chicago but the plane lost part or all of the rudder which made the plane uncontrollable in the air. A mom was holding her baby but according to FAA guidelines the baby was to be on the floor during an emergency landing. The mom was forced to lay her baby down on the floor by the flight attendant who kept telling the FAA rule. If the mom would have held baby during that crash, the baby would have survived. The mom and the flight attendant survived but the baby did not. The flight attendant had to deal with the fact that she wish didn't follow that crappy rule
So people decided to go and build a bonfire and leave this woman and a baby dangling in the wreckage..... guess there weren't any English (civilised) people on that flight!!
I was born January 24, 1969. Here in Indiana, on September 9, 1969, near the town of Fairland, Allegheny Air flight 853 crashed into a Piper PA-28 with debris landing partly on a mobile home community. In all, 83 died with no survivors from either plane. Fortunately, no one on the ground was injured. Several news reports from this are available here on RUclips.
Decades ago I flew one of Allegheny's small prop plane across Pennsylvania. I remember the noisy sound of the props and that it landed like a bird. One little hop then it stopped!
I used to fly on that airline between Detroit and Myrtle Beach a couple times a year. The service was always pretty good, but it was a milk truck flight. Stop at Dayton, stop at Charlotte, and then usually had to wait at MB for military traffic to clear (in those days MB was a joint use facility). Once Spirit started non-stops on that route, I never looked back.
I used to be a pauper, but when my evil twin decided to take over the world, I realised my true calling as a superhero. After I defeated Ydospahr, I met the most beautiful rubber doll you could possibly imagine. Now I live in secrecy, simply passing my story on to those who'll listen. Thank you, and your deity of choice bless.
I have watched many RUclips videos for years and I have to say I have NEVER read so much bitching, complaining and name calling for one video in all my life. Jeez, can't people disagree without automatically assuming someone is lying? Get a life people and just enjoy the video.
you never seen as much bitching in your years of youtubing as you have seen here in this very comments section? Wtf PG ass youtube vids are you watching? lmao
@Jens Nobel As time passes? Were you not on the internet in the 90s? Nothing's changed.... nothing. And I see more heartfelt and warm comments these days, than say, a decade ago. It's your own perception, not reality.
Interesting the baby survived in mom's lap, when later on the FAA adopted guidelines to put un-seated babies/children on the floor in the case of an emergency landing/crash.
TeKnoVKNG23 I think you need more than one case to see which is best, or otherwise it is like saying that my grandpa smoked for 70 years and died in a tractor accident at 90, so smoking isn’t unhealthy.
My Godmother was the Handicapped Person on This Flight..She Survived Polio....I am sure the Flight Attendants remember her....She passed away last week from Cancer...Se was Our Hero...Ruth Eshelman Zimmerman.....
Two points: Yes an ILS would have helped prevent this and the second crash, but having pilots who don't descend below MDA until they see the runway also would have, this was pilot error, plain and simple. I love that you use the old Air Canada Vickers Viscount from the Western Canada Aviation Museum in Winnipeg for your interior shots. Been in that plane many times with my kids, they love it. Wish I could sit in the cockpit too and flip some switches.
@@AlaskaErik : Not as many with a full ILS with glide slope. This was one of many smaller airports back in the 60s and 70s, when I was employed by Mohawk, then Allegheny/USAir, where the FAA considered an ILS to be necessary after one or more crashes during non-precision approaches in bad minimal weather conditions. I flew that approach into Bradford, in the 580, on many occasions. We even had a crew overnight there. Actually, we went to a hotel in Olean, NY, a few miles north.
VOR approaches in 1968 were not outdated procedures. I was doing VOR approaches in the 1980's and 1990's. It isn't a precision approach and if you follow the procedure properly and do not descend below the prescribed altitude minimums you'll be safe. You can't get much lower than 400 feet from the ground and an ILS approach can get you to 200 feet and under certain conditions 100 feet. I have flown into Bradford (KBFD) in good weather. The facilities there were very nice. Zippo, of cigarette lighter fame, still had a manufacturing facility there in 1996.
Damn. After watching several of your plane crash videos, it seems the back of the plane is the safest. I always thought safest place was between the wings.
the back of the plane statistically fares better in most crashes. it is sturdy and typically takes less blunt force of the crash since usually the front of the plane hits first. The wing area is a bit more safer them the front but as fluffy said it's potentially dangerous because of the fuel tanks and the fires after a crash usually start in the mid section by the wings. I dont fly much but when I fly I will always buy a ticket for a seat towards the tail of the plane
I was 15 months old when this happened. WoW! Stuff has really changed over the years. When I was born in the 60's, I'm positive the Dr had a cigarette hanging out of his mouth & a glass of scotch on the table next to mom. Then they wiped me down with some neon green radioactive shit. That's what they cleaned babies with back then... I was born in a small 10 room hospital. 30 feet from The White Elephant Saloon which is still there today. The hospital is now a big antique store... antique like me!
Not to be too picky here but the film shows red lights on both wingtips. This is wrong. Every aircraft has red on port, green on starboard. God bless the families. USN aviation vet here.
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During the winter months, living in Erie Pennsylvania is the equivalent of living in Siberia, Russia. I can’t imagine a worse place to be in a plane crash.
[pilot initiates takeoff by CLOSING the FOUR throttles on his 2 engine aircraft]...sorry. Thinking out loud here. Ignore. LOL I love these programs anyway...
I noticed the throttles being retarded instead of advanced. The video also showed the wrong types of aircraft. At 1.53, we saw a Convair 440, the original piston engine version and, at 18:11, we saw a smaller T tail airplane, similar to the Beech 1900. With minimal effort, they could get it right.
And I can guarantee the tower did not inform the cockpit that the ground conditions included winds "gusting to 40 kilometers per hour." Not in the US, and certainly not in 1968.
Was no "tower" per se. This was a Flight Service Station which is primarily a FAA weather reporting facility located on an airport and they facilitate landing advisory. The wind conditions would certainly have been reported to the pilot in 1968. The personal serving these locations did an outstanding job. Don't speculate on something you know nothing about.
Ya, I noticed that too. Well, when you know, it's obvious. It's like watching someone fake playing an instrument. If you know how to play it, its so obvious but no one else would know that. What is that old song that says ".Up go the flaps, down go the wheels" (This Flight Tonight) I can't think of a situation where that would happen. Drives me nuts every time I hear that song.
Ye gods...Xmas 1968, my first in Australia after migrating that year. Among new friends, taken to the bosom of a colleague's family for the Nativity, drunk as a skunk on 24/12. So humbling to realise that this drama, about which I had never heard before, was taking place across the world.
In the 60s "Allegheny Airlines" was nicknamed "All Agony Airlines" by many in the midwest. In the early 70s, a marketing firm put five Airline names on a "tell us your opinion" form...... Allegheny was the last choice of almost all who responded. U.S. Air didn't exist at the time, but the name was made up by the marketing firm as a "placebo" of sorts. It got the highest rating of all the airlines on the form.. Shortly thereafter, Allegheny was renamed "U.S. Air".
Just occurred to me why living fairly close to Bradford I didn't remember this.. It was the same night Apollo VIII went into orbit around the moon and that was THE NEWS of that Christmas Eve.. everything else got buried by Apollo VIII.
Are you sure that wasn't an NDB approach using an ADF? VOR nav receivers don't have needles that swing 180 degrees while passing over the station. The needle does swing 180 degrees on an Automatic Direction Finder.
The aircraft I used to fly had an RMI with two needles, one for NDB and one for VOR. It was quite possible to fly a VOR procedure exactly as you would an NDB. There was also an HSI so you never would, but that RMI really made getting a cross-cut from another VOR instinctive.
@Cindy Tartt The NDB (Non-Directional Beacon) is a much simpler beast than a VOR, just blasting out the same signal in all directions like a commercial radio station. (I may or may not have listened to Atlantic 252 on the airborne receiver, the ADF.) The NDB on my home field was just a wire between two poles; 12 starlings could sit on the wire, but the 13th would reliably set off the monitoring alarm in the tower. What little complexity there is in the system is all at the aircraft end, in the ADF. Unfortunately, coastlines distort the signal, night distorts the signal, damn near anything distorts the signal. The ADF will also read up to 15 degrees off in a turn (great fun when trying to roll out on a particular bearing from the NDB, as you would on an approach). And if there's a thunderstorm around, the ADF needle may just decide to point at that instead. Good times!
That first picture that you showed was of a Convair 240. Convair 580 is a turboprop with nearly twice the horse power. And really two totally different airplanes. Even though they have the same fuselage.
Wow...I grew up in Allegheny County in Pittsburgh (not born until 73 though), and I never heard about this crash, didn’t even know that there had been an Allegheny Airlines.
Hey BDHQ. I see your subscribers are growing. Keep uploading and you'll get more and more. One favour (if possible), is it possible to keep the volume level of your survival gear at the same level as the uploaded video? It's a bit shocking at the end. Keep up the good work.
Yes we're going to edit that thanks for feedback. Unfortunately due to RUclips's new ad policies of not allowing ads to run on Disasters or True Crime series we're going to have to rethink our strategy with uploads.
One pilot keeps the speed and altitude monitored, the other, Captain in this case, is looking for the runway lights, making radio calls and “steering” the Convair They failed, just as the three pilots (Captain, First officer, relief pilot) landing the Asians 777 into SFO did. Sadly the absolute basic functions a pilot is to preform are those that get overlooked in a crash labeled Pilot Error.
The graphic depiction of the final approach is incorrect. This non-precision VOR approach would not be flown as a descending slope, but as a “dive and drive” approach, with step-down fixes as can be seen on the approach plate shown briefly. At the Minimum Descent Altitude, the plane would be in level flight, until either seeing the runway, or reaching the Missed Approach Point, where the missed approach procedure is mandatory. This is the oldest (and sadly, most common) instrument flight accident in the book, where the crew feel just a few feet lower will allow them to spot the runway they are looking for, and they allow their will to see it drag them below MDA.
Screams and a baby crying coming from Inside the plane. Help! Help! Nobody: Survivors: let’s build a fire! Anyone have any spooky stories to tell? Let’s mosy over here and relax by the warm fire. Ah. Nice.
This accident sounds a lot like the crash of flight 401 which crashed into the everglades in 1972. That crash was caused by the pilot accidentally disengaging the auto-pilot on a go-around while trying to determine why a landing gear indicator light was out. They were concerned the landing gear wasn't locked in place, which would result in a crash upon landing. While they were distracted trying to solve the problem with the light, the plane was slowly descending without their knowledge until it reached the everglades.
We could fly it better than they did. You have to monitor your ALTITUDE ! God bless these rescuers, none better or tougher..that Pennsylvania mountain country , bad winters makes some tough people!
One of the things said in almost all these crash videos is that the pilots are "the most" experienced pilots" flying with a zillion hours in that particular airplane. Well, give me an inexperienced pilot any day cause the experienced one are sure to crash.
Evgenia Elistratova aged 27, a newlywed eye surgeon in Siberia was killed in a freak accident after an “ice bullet”(artificial hailstone) was kicked up by a truck smashed her car windscreen and struck her eye.ruclips.net/video/d3uq-Dw0DTM/видео.html
Allegheny 853 in 1969 was the worse crash ever for that airline but at least that one was not the fault of the crew or the aircraft. They were hit by a Piper Cherokee. But after that one, Allegheny did not last long.
I beg to differ. Using your computer for its originally intended purpose, you'dfind that Allegheny not only survived after that DC-9 crash, but prospered under that name for another 10 years, vastly extending its routes, and adding many more DC-9s, B727s, and 737s to its fleet. It acquired Mohawk Airlines (And me) in 1972, and became USAir in late 1979. It also acquired Pacific Southwest Airlines (With Captain Sullenberger) in 1986, then Piedmont in 1989, with its B767s and routes to Europe, again changing its name to US Airways, in 1993. In 2015, it was merged into American Airlines.
Ironic, I just flew in on a trip to see my Mother...... Still. You are more likely to die in a car crash on the way to the airport then in the flight itself. If people took as good care as their cars as is mandated for aircraft care by the FAA the average life span of the family car would be 20 plus years! Also, if they cancel a flight, don't gripe about it! Even in the 21st century it's better to be safe then sorry during severe weather!
The approach you describe is an NDB approach, not a VOR one. NDB approaches can be considerably more difficult and less precise, especially in windy inclement weather.
Could you please look into a plane crash that happened in the 60s, it was called the Perpignan Air Disaster. My aunt and uncle died and my parents were meant to be on that flight with them going to Spain.
I'm so happy to hear you survived this horrific event. It's even worse that the pilots were so busy with landing in that blizzard that they lost track of the altitude. At least there are more safe guards now to help prevent this. Even though flying is much safer now. I have seen things happen inflight that would scare the pants off the average flyer! (I was a flight attendant for the latter version of Allegheny- US Airways and also Lufthansa). Best of luck to you and God bless!
referring to surviver's guilt, "why was it them and not me? We'll never have an answer to that question" and yet we plainly do. Some people survived and some people died because all those bodies were affected in different ways... some were crushed, some impaled, some bodies were weaker or more fragile, etc. So many actual reasons why some survived and some didn't. Why do people have to act like gods choose who lives because they are more special and deserving than the dead? Religion clouds minds, and diminishes reason.
It's not all about religion. A lot of that could be "why was my wife asked to move and not me?" or "Why did I book a ticket on this flight?". It's the random chance that leaves most survivors reeling since there really is no other reason than random chance that they lived and someone else died.
Can’t believe none of the passengers tried to help their co-passengers. Damn woman with a baby in her arms. Allegheny Airlines planes dropping out of the sky like flys.
I guess back then you couldn't say no to piloting a commercial flight given the unsafe weather? Why else did they continue in white out conditions / wind at night?
Aircraft are still flown into the ground from being below minimums all the time. There was nothing learned there that wasn't already known...don't fly your aircraft into the ground! LOL
I know these types of tragedies are difficult to see and deal with for some, but the vast majority of those who go thru something of this nature are only experiencing a small taste of what us combat vets experience....
So what if some people were killed ??? Think about all the money they saved by not installing up to date landing equipment !!! Their cost accountants must've been proud of them !!! 😮
My older brother was on Flight 736. He did not survive. He was 27 years old. We all still miss him.
May deity give you peace and love
Yes. Hello Rita. I had tears watching this! It was so tragic and sad. Glad you servived.
My husband’s cousin was on this flight. He had been sitting in the front but moved mid flight to the back to sit with a college friend. He survived but probably would not have if he hadn’t moved.
I was a senior in High School when this happened. Very tragic. Used to play golf at the golf course where 737 crashed. You could still smell airplane fuel for years later. Happy for all those that survived.
Thanks for your comment Steve.
Steve what hole did it crash on ? Thanks
@@scottjohnson1752 Seriously? Making a joke out of this tragedy? Says alot about what type of person you are
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My grandmother used to fly Allegheny from McArthur Airport on Long Island to Schenectady, NY. This plane looks exactly like what I remember from the mid-1960s. There was no security in those days. I remember walking right up to the gate with her. Thankfully, she was never in a plane wreck. In fact, she lived to 102!
Marie Katherine but she still died
I still remember being a kid and waiting at the gate for family members flight or walking with them to the plane to see them off.
Mcarthur airport was the coolest place EVER. I remember sitting by the windows and watching the planes take off and land. My Dad worked for Pan American (out of JFK), and that experience will be with me forever.
It wasn't the fault of the aircraft, sadly, it was pilot error. Pure and simple and they paid for it with their lives, and others. Very sad story, What's even worse is the second crash two weeks later. Now that is unbelievable.
that's a real crappy statement
In 2010 one of the survivor's paid for a plaque honoring the victims, survivor's, and rescuers.
Thanks for letting us know John. Are there any pictures of the plaque.
That is awesome!
Thats cool.
Awesome!
I thought you said plague at first glance! Lol!
@@deltadesign5697 I don't spell very good, but generally I can get close enough, lol
What a report, great story. Sorrow for those lost, on both flights.
Great to see Dr. McCormick after all these years. I worked for him as a research assistant at Penn State and flew in the Aerospace Engineering Piper Cherokee with him.
I was the Flight Attendant on this flight 49 years ago tonight.
Must bring back awful memories. Did you fly again afterwards?
I see you have watched this also...I would really love to meet you someday soon, it's something I've always wanted to do, Marc (facebook me! marc pugliese 301.461.1033)
I've always figured (and heard) that the time after surviving an airliner crash is statistically the most safe flying you'll ever do...the chances of being in a second major event are astronomical. There has only been a handful of people known to have survived one such crash, only to be killed in another. Glad you made it out that night. Take care!
I’m so glad you survived.
L TR This is false. It’s a common mistake in reasoning that people tend to make called believing the maturation of odds. In point of fact, no matter how many times in a row a flipped coin comes up heads, the odds of it coming up heads again on the next flip are totally unaffected. Still 50-50. No matter how many times you play a slot machine without winning, the odds of it winning do not change... but people Imagine that odds mature, and so they keep putting in the coins... casinos prey on this error in reasoning to keep gamblers playing, and losing. You have the exact same chances in flying, before or after surviving a crash. YOUR individual experience does not affect the other folks flying, the age or maintenance of the airframe, the weather, nor the pilot’s skills, sleepiness, or mental health.
In fact, there was One woman who survived the sinking of the titanic and its sister ship the Olympic, and was on board the third sister ship Britannia when it was struck by a British warship. Her odds of being aboard were magnified by the fact that she Worked for Cunard. In the same light... a steward who works for an airline that is not maintaining its aircraft properly actually has a higher chance of being in two accidents. Oh... and for example, a 4 engine aircraft actually has twice the chance of an engine failure than does a 2 engine aircraft. It’s just that losing one engine is less of an issue when you have 3 more.
It's crazy how some people survive and others don't, who are literally sitting next to each other.
Sometimes it comes down to passenger size (children often survive) or who happened to lean over at the correct time.
I flew the 580 for many years, good solid reliable, and powerful
It was, Tom, and a powerhouse of 8,000 turbine horsepower, which I flew for one year when Allegheny acquired Mohawk Airlines, in 1972, after flying the original piston engine (P&W R 2800) Convair 440, with half that horsepower, on a good day, at MOH.
My girlfriend died in the crash. I have never forgotten her.
@@charliepap6761 You are an asshole. Never forget that.
charlie pap your obviously a loser or an embarrassment
Must have been hard for her to push you out from there.
@@charliepap6761 Haaaa! Lmao 👊😂😂😂👍Nice
Sorry about that! Life goes on! May she rest in peace
I went to the spot where it went down. We met some survivors and rescuers, very emotional. Some of the pics are wrong but that's ok. Rita survived and I was born a year and one month later. Had she not survived I would not be around today. I will go back one day soon, Marc
@Cindy Tartt It's definitely suspicious. First he replies to her comment saying that he wants to meet her, then he says that he wouldn't be alive had she not survived, which implies that she is his mother or at least a relative... 🤔🧐 Sounds fishy to me.
Jim 762 Are you just a natural asshole or are you just trolling because you can't accomplish anything in life?
you're her son?
@@KayleeCee she gave him up for adoption
I don't know how anyone watch this and not feel horror at the.way some of those people died and sympathy for their families and friends and yet some of the responses to comments are disrespectful, nasty and childish. Grow up and shut-up.
Well said Ellie.
MOST EXCELENT volunteers ! ✔💯💪💪🙏🙏
We're so glad you lived through it.
excellently and poignantly done.
Thanks much appreciated.
Yes I did continue to fly ,retired after 40 years, but I always that horrible night.
@Bg Labelle The Varig captain Giberto Araujo Da Silva died in 1979 when the cargo Boeing 707 (flight 967) on January 30, 1979 he was at the commands of disappeared somewhere in the Pacific after he survived, 6 years earlier, the crash of another 707 (Varig flight 820 in 1973) in which only one passenger survived. In this life, either you're a air company employee, either you're not.
Many people who survive air crashes return to work, believe it or not.
My dad worked there when I was about 5 out off Youngstown oh john marsh I have pictures of the heart on plane
@Bg Labelle Rita, the stewardess on this flight did indeed fly for another 39 years, maybe research before you bash someone that you know nothing about. I cannot prove that this is indeed the same lady but if now what they said is still true. Just because you would be to scared to continue doesn't mean others would feel the same way.
@Bg Labelle you called the op a liar and said noone would return to flying after crashing like this. Many people did continue to fly and indeed the lady named Rita who survived this crash flew for 39 more years. One passenger survived this crash and another crash at the same field around a week later!
I used to fly North Central Airlines now and then. I think most of their fleet were Convair 580s.
We were once taking off from either Milwaukee or Green Bay in a heavy snowstorm (can't remember), and aborted the takeoff after travelling part of the way down the runway. After de-icing, we tried again and succeeded. but it wasn't a very secure feeling.
I passed thru & stopped in Bradford one time when I was a long haul trucker as US Route 219 was the only route to Buffalo, NY. from central PA. The people there were very nice & I still remember that 20 years later.
So long ago, and I remember this from the news. I was in first year high school, and Christmas Eve, a happy time for my family, all gone now. Sad time for these people, and I feel bad for them now.
I miss all my older generation family too, last one gone in 2014 & since then I have no ambition to go back home anymore as it just isn't the same now.
Mark Muffs I live in the town Of MT Jewett PA only a few miles from the air port and Bradford
Great people up there. I pop by every now and again. Used to deliver freight up there to the lumber mills.
4:16 Back in the day when seats were big and the aisle was wide. When flying was actually enjoyable.
Thanks for your comment.
But safer today
People used to dress up for flights, too. Freshly showered with minimal perfume and pressed in their best. Nowadays if I went to a flight like that I'd be detained lol
The cold, snow, and marshy ground probably saved lives in this case.
The marshy ground and snow probably softened the impact for some of the passangers.
The cold might of helped to slow bleeding for others.
May the dead RIP. May the survivors find peace.
ACTUALLY A LOT OF PEOPLE AFTER BREATHING THE SUPERCHARGED HOT AIR IN THE CLUB WHEN THEY GOT OUTSIDE AND BREATHED THE COLD AIR THEY DROPPED LIKE FLIES
What was really fortunate was that they sheared both wings off in the crash while still moving. The majority of fatalities in a CFIT (controlled flight into terrain) accident, outside of say flying straight into a mountainside or something, where everyone is killed on impact, come from the post-crash fire, and the majority of those are not from the fire itself, but inhalation of toxic smoke from burning interior materials/fuel smoke. In this case, losing the wings and engines while still in motion removed the likelihood of a large fire in the cabin area, which is otherwise typical in this type of crash. In case you aren't familiar, aircraft typically carry their fuel inside the wings. Some larger ones will have a center tank in the belly but not the CV-580 like this, I don't think. So the cabin was isolated from a major fire, the way this played out. I did find it interesting that there was apparently no fire from either wing, at least not mentioned, as they said they only located the crash by the fire the survivors built. BTW building a survival fire near a crashed aircraft is not generally a good idea until you know where the fuel went, but given the circumstances it was the correct thing to do, it appears.
I LIVE IN WESTERN PA, THAT'S A REAL SAD STORY ABOUT BRADFORD AIRPORT AND THE PEOPLE WHO DIED AND GOT INJURED....
I NEVER KNEW UNTIL TODAY WHAT HAPPENED UP THERE TWICE... ME AND MY DAD WOULD GO DEER HUNTING UP THERE A LOT...I WAS BORN IN 1964, SO I NEVER KNEW ABOUT THIS...
THAT'S A REAL SAD STORY ABOUT A CHRISTMAS EVE FLIGHT....
"Help my baby!" Baby bites rescuer... Yeah, he's okay...
Unfortunately. In 1989, I believe it was the year a commercial airplane headed to Chicago but the plane lost part or all of the rudder which made the plane uncontrollable in the air. A mom was holding her baby but according to FAA guidelines the baby was to be on the floor during an emergency landing. The mom was forced to lay her baby down on the floor by the flight attendant who kept telling the FAA rule. If the mom would have held baby during that crash, the baby would have survived. The mom and the flight attendant survived but the baby did not. The flight attendant had to deal with the fact that she wish didn't follow that crappy rule
CHARLIE BIT MY FINGER!
sometimes pediatric patient assessment is just that easy!
Hard to believe that baby is about 51 years of age now
So people decided to go and build a bonfire and leave this woman and a baby dangling in the wreckage..... guess there weren't any English (civilised) people on that flight!!
My uncle was on this flight. He was paralyzed from the neck down. Lived for another 20 years. Changed his life dramatically:(
I was born January 24, 1969. Here in Indiana, on September 9, 1969, near the town of Fairland, Allegheny Air flight 853 crashed into a Piper PA-28 with debris landing partly on a mobile home community. In all, 83 died with no survivors from either plane. Fortunately, no one on the ground was injured. Several news reports from this are available here on RUclips.
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Decades ago I flew one of Allegheny's small prop plane across Pennsylvania. I remember the noisy sound of the props and that it landed like a bird. One little hop then it stopped!
I used to fly on that airline between Detroit and Myrtle Beach a couple times a year. The service was always pretty good, but it was a milk truck flight. Stop at Dayton, stop at Charlotte, and then usually had to wait at MB for military traffic to clear (in those days MB was a joint use facility). Once Spirit started non-stops on that route, I never looked back.
I used to be a pauper, but when my evil twin decided to take over the world, I realised my true calling as a superhero. After I defeated Ydospahr, I met the most beautiful rubber doll you could possibly imagine. Now I live in secrecy, simply passing my story on to those who'll listen. Thank you, and your deity of choice bless.
I have watched many RUclips videos for years and I have to say I have NEVER read so much bitching, complaining and name calling for one video in all my life. Jeez, can't people disagree without automatically assuming someone is lying? Get a life people and just enjoy the video.
you never seen as much bitching in your years of youtubing as you have seen here in this very comments section? Wtf PG ass youtube vids are you watching? lmao
@Jens Nobel As time passes? Were you not on the internet in the 90s? Nothing's changed.... nothing. And I see more heartfelt and warm comments these days, than say, a decade ago. It's your own perception, not reality.
Shut up Karen, sorry, Susan
"INADVERTENTLY hit a tree." That's a big understatement.
In New England we called this Airline; "Agony Airlines"...They crashed twice at Bradford, and a memorable crash at New Haven CT as well..
How am I just finding this channel now? So much stuff to watch! Subscribed!
My dad was a captain on a Nord 260 for this airline . I wish he was alive so I could ask him if he knew the pilots
Interesting the baby survived in mom's lap, when later on the FAA adopted guidelines to put un-seated babies/children on the floor in the case of an emergency landing/crash.
TeKnoVKNG23 I think you need more than one case to see which is best, or otherwise it is like saying that my grandpa smoked for 70 years and died in a tractor accident at 90, so smoking isn’t unhealthy.
The FAA hasn’t adopted any guidelines on lap children. It’s up to the airlines on how best to keep lap children safe.
I'm sure they don't advice this Putting babies/children on the floor anymore...
it's just so sad..
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the babies on the floor thing has been deemed completely UNSAFE and I don't believe any airlines do this in modern times.
Well a baby has to be put on the floor so the mother can get in the brace position and not crush the baby
My Godmother was the Handicapped Person on This Flight..She Survived Polio....I am sure the Flight Attendants remember her....She passed away last week from Cancer...Se was Our Hero...Ruth Eshelman Zimmerman.....
Thanks for adding to our story.
Two points:
Yes an ILS would have helped prevent this and the second crash, but having pilots who don't descend below MDA until they see the runway also would have, this was pilot error, plain and simple.
I love that you use the old Air Canada Vickers Viscount from the Western Canada Aviation Museum in Winnipeg for your interior shots. Been in that plane many times with my kids, they love it. Wish I could sit in the cockpit too and flip some switches.
There have been plenty of crashes where the pilots were attempting to shoot an ILS approach.
@@AlaskaErik : Not as many with a full ILS with glide slope. This was one of many smaller airports back in the 60s and 70s, when I was employed by Mohawk, then Allegheny/USAir, where the FAA considered an ILS to be necessary after one or more crashes during non-precision approaches in bad minimal weather conditions. I flew that approach into Bradford, in the 580, on many occasions. We even had a crew overnight there. Actually, we went to a hotel in Olean, NY, a few miles north.
God bless you angel!❤
VOR approaches in 1968 were not outdated procedures. I was doing VOR approaches in the 1980's and 1990's. It isn't a precision approach and if you follow the procedure properly and do not descend below the prescribed altitude minimums you'll be safe. You can't get much lower than 400 feet from the ground and an ILS approach can get you to 200 feet and under certain conditions 100 feet. I have flown into Bradford (KBFD) in good weather. The facilities there were very nice. Zippo, of cigarette lighter fame, still had a manufacturing facility there in 1996.
I think Zippo might still be there.
It scares the shit out of me how pilots don't seem to be paying close attention to their altimeter in these situations.
God Bless You.
Damn. After watching several of your plane crash videos, it seems the back of the plane is the safest. I always thought safest place was between the wings.
Right up the fueltanks?
the back of the plane statistically fares better in most crashes. it is sturdy and typically takes less blunt force of the crash since usually the front of the plane hits first. The wing area is a bit more safer them the front but as fluffy said it's potentially dangerous because of the fuel tanks and the fires after a crash usually start in the mid section by the wings. I dont fly much but when I fly I will always buy a ticket for a seat towards the tail of the plane
Keep it up! Looking forward for more videos from you, don't stop!
Hard to believe most of these crashes are flying to low and pilots don't keep an eye on the Altimeter.
True Americans coming to the rescue without thinking twice. Makes one proud.
“I pulled on a leg and it was loose”
NOPE
I think he was just pulling our leg with that story
" I think I've lost a leg.....!!! "
" No , ...it's OK......it's lying over
there..."
Ouch they should've pushed the throttle forward for take off... 😀😀😀 nice vids though... Really enjoyed watching them
Thanks
All four of them! (two engines)
And red lights on BOTH wings??
I love this channel is very intresting. Congratulations
That Convair was a nice looking airplane. May the victims of the crash RIP
I was 15 months old when this happened. WoW! Stuff has really changed over the years. When I was born in the 60's, I'm positive the Dr had a cigarette hanging out of his mouth & a glass of scotch on the table next to mom. Then they wiped me down with some neon green radioactive shit. That's what they cleaned babies with back then...
I was born in a small 10 room hospital. 30 feet from The White Elephant Saloon which is still there today. The hospital is now a big antique store... antique like me!
Not to be too picky here but the film shows red lights on both wingtips. This is wrong. Every aircraft has red on port, green on starboard. God bless the families. USN aviation vet here.
I'm in Pa but pretty far from Erie and born in 79...never heard of this ...check out the Wilburton, Pa plane crash...that's where I live
Thank God for the ILS and Mister Joe Sutter and his new invention for aircraft's during the landing procedure! He installed the count down of the height during the landing procedure at his new plane - the one and only Queen of the Sky - the legendary and majestic Boeing 747 which I love so very much! He also installed four redundant systems for the safety of passengers and freight and the crew members of the Boeing 747 and many other things more for our safe and sound flights with aircraft's of this size and his invention is installed in all aircraft's around the globe! As I was a pilot who flew the Boeing 747-400 and until my retirement the Boeing 747-8 I had the pleasure and privilege to use his inventions for the safety and security and protection of my aircraft and my crew members and passengers and freight! Thank you very much Mister Joe Sutter for your genius and gorgeous inventions for our safety and security during our flights and may you rest in peace and harmony in heaven and thank you very much for this gorgeous, fascinating, astonishing, incredible and so majestic Queen of the Sky - the Boeing 747✈️💖👍✈️💖👍✈️💖👍✈️💖👍✈️💖👍
During the winter months, living in Erie Pennsylvania is the equivalent of living in Siberia, Russia.
I can’t imagine a worse place to be in a plane crash.
[pilot initiates takeoff by CLOSING the FOUR throttles on his 2 engine aircraft]...sorry. Thinking out loud here. Ignore. LOL I love these programs anyway...
I noticed the throttles being retarded instead of advanced. The video also showed the wrong types of aircraft. At 1.53, we saw a Convair 440, the original piston engine version and, at 18:11, we saw a smaller T tail airplane, similar to the Beech 1900. With minimal effort, they could get it right.
And I can guarantee the tower did not inform the cockpit that the ground conditions included winds "gusting to 40 kilometers per hour." Not in the US, and certainly not in 1968.
Was no "tower" per se. This was a Flight Service Station which is primarily a FAA weather reporting facility located on an airport and they facilitate landing advisory. The wind conditions would certainly have been reported to the pilot in 1968. The personal serving these locations did an outstanding job. Don't speculate on something you know nothing about.
@@garymiller5624 you misunderstood. In the US they would have reported "winds gusting to 25 *MPH"* and certainly in pre-Carter 1968.
Ya, I noticed that too. Well, when you know, it's obvious. It's like watching someone fake playing an instrument. If you know how to play it, its so obvious but no one else would know that. What is that old song that says ".Up go the flaps, down go the wheels" (This Flight Tonight) I can't think of a situation where that would happen. Drives me nuts every time I hear that song.
Ye gods...Xmas 1968, my first in Australia after migrating that year. Among new friends, taken to the bosom of a colleague's family for the Nativity, drunk as a skunk on 24/12. So humbling to realise that this drama, about which I had never heard before, was taking place across the world.
Greg, drunk as a skunk means one was stinkin' drunk. Get it?
God Bless you!
In the 60s "Allegheny Airlines" was nicknamed "All Agony Airlines" by many in the midwest. In the early 70s, a marketing firm put five Airline names on a "tell us your opinion" form...... Allegheny was the last choice of almost all who responded. U.S. Air didn't exist at the time, but the name was made up by the marketing firm as a "placebo" of sorts. It got the highest rating of all the airlines on the form.. Shortly thereafter, Allegheny was renamed "U.S. Air".
Just occurred to me why living fairly close to Bradford I didn't remember this.. It was the same night Apollo VIII went into orbit around the moon and that was THE NEWS of that Christmas Eve.. everything else got buried by Apollo VIII.
this comment is for the person throwing all this snow when they filmed this 😂
Are you sure that wasn't an NDB approach using an ADF? VOR nav receivers don't have needles that swing 180 degrees while passing over the station. The needle does swing 180 degrees on an Automatic Direction Finder.
The aircraft I used to fly had an RMI with two needles, one for NDB and one for VOR. It was quite possible to fly a VOR procedure exactly as you would an NDB. There was also an HSI so you never would, but that RMI really made getting a cross-cut from another VOR instinctive.
@Cindy Tartt The NDB (Non-Directional Beacon) is a much simpler beast than a VOR, just blasting out the same signal in all directions like a commercial radio station. (I may or may not have listened to Atlantic 252 on the airborne receiver, the ADF.) The NDB on my home field was just a wire between two poles; 12 starlings could sit on the wire, but the 13th would reliably set off the monitoring alarm in the tower. What little complexity there is in the system is all at the aircraft end, in the ADF. Unfortunately, coastlines distort the signal, night distorts the signal, damn near anything distorts the signal. The ADF will also read up to 15 degrees off in a turn (great fun when trying to roll out on a particular bearing from the NDB, as you would on an approach). And if there's a thunderstorm around, the ADF needle may just decide to point at that instead. Good times!
That first picture that you showed was of a Convair 240. Convair 580 is a turboprop with nearly twice the horse power. And really two totally different airplanes. Even though they have the same fuselage.
Survivors: "Hey, you guys want to have a campfire?" Trapped Injured: "thanks! I'm dead now "
Survivorship, chance, luck, maybe just fate
Wow...I grew up in Allegheny County in Pittsburgh (not born until 73 though), and I never heard about this crash, didn’t even know that there had been an Allegheny Airlines.
Hey BDHQ. I see your subscribers are growing. Keep uploading and you'll get more and more. One favour (if possible), is it possible to keep the volume level of your survival gear at the same level as the uploaded video? It's a bit shocking at the end. Keep up the good work.
Yes we're going to edit that thanks for feedback. Unfortunately due to RUclips's new ad policies of not allowing ads to run on Disasters or True Crime series we're going to have to rethink our strategy with uploads.
The owner of our house had a piece of that plane in our old shed but my dad threw it out
I remember my dad telling me back in the late 40s - - the only way I would fly is if I could keep one foot on the ground
I would NEVER get on an airplane on which someone asked me to change seats to balance it
One pilot keeps the speed and altitude monitored, the other, Captain in this case, is looking for the runway lights, making radio calls and “steering” the Convair They failed, just as the three pilots (Captain, First officer, relief pilot) landing the Asians 777 into SFO did. Sadly the absolute basic functions a pilot is to preform are those that get overlooked in a crash labeled Pilot Error.
They shouldn't have separated the family :( There were so many other adults to move for balance.
I can't believe anyone survived that crash.
Another accident happening 2 weeks later isn't irony. But you were right in saying it was coincidental.
The graphic depiction of the final approach is incorrect. This non-precision VOR approach would not be flown as a descending slope, but as a “dive and drive” approach, with step-down fixes as can be seen on the approach plate shown briefly. At the Minimum Descent Altitude, the plane would be in level flight, until either seeing the runway, or reaching the Missed Approach Point, where the missed approach procedure is mandatory. This is the oldest (and sadly, most common) instrument flight accident in the book, where the crew feel just a few feet lower will allow them to spot the runway they are looking for, and they allow their will to see it drag them below MDA.
I thought so too. If there was an MDA why were they below it?
Screams and a baby crying coming from
Inside the plane. Help! Help!
Nobody:
Survivors: let’s build a fire! Anyone have any spooky stories to tell? Let’s mosy over here and relax by the warm fire. Ah. Nice.
yeah shocking they didnt help the others but it was an extreme situation in the extreme cold, people were in shock and werent themselves
That was a comment I came to make like I would’ve flipped out when they got me out of that plane knowing that people were chilling by the fire
She looked out and the wing was gone ! Oh my
This accident sounds a lot like the crash of flight 401 which crashed into the everglades in 1972. That crash was caused by the pilot accidentally disengaging the auto-pilot on a go-around while trying to determine why a landing gear indicator light was out. They were concerned the landing gear wasn't locked in place, which would result in a crash upon landing. While they were distracted trying to solve the problem with the light, the plane was slowly descending without their knowledge until it reached the everglades.
We could fly it better than they did. You have to monitor your ALTITUDE ! God bless these rescuers, none better or tougher..that Pennsylvania mountain country , bad winters makes some tough people!
Which makes me wonder if there wasn't some other problem that caused them to drop altitude too fast. Ice loading on the wings perhaps?
Damn, that’s not a 580! It’s an OLDER radial engine version! (Maybe a 340?)
One of the things said in almost all these crash videos is that the pilots are "the most" experienced pilots" flying with a zillion hours in that particular airplane. Well, give me an inexperienced pilot any day cause the experienced one are sure to crash.
Bradford P.A. Home Of Zippo Lighters . Case Knives And My Mudder.........
Eye doctor suffers a horrific eye injury... maybe its just my sick Fire/EMS mind, but there is a certain irony in that...
Aye Aye
GLEN Dooer 🤮
Seems coincidental, not ironic.
Evgenia Elistratova aged 27, a newlywed eye surgeon in Siberia was killed in a freak accident after an “ice bullet”(artificial hailstone) was kicked up by a truck smashed her car windscreen and struck her eye.ruclips.net/video/d3uq-Dw0DTM/видео.html
Flying below the MDA, so it's human error as usual
Allegheny 853 in 1969 was the worse crash ever for that airline but at least that one was not the fault of the crew or the aircraft. They were hit by a Piper Cherokee. But after that one, Allegheny did not last long.
I beg to differ. Using your computer for its originally intended purpose, you'dfind that Allegheny not only survived after that DC-9 crash, but prospered under that name for another 10 years, vastly extending its routes, and adding many more DC-9s, B727s, and 737s to its fleet. It acquired Mohawk Airlines (And me) in 1972, and became USAir in late 1979. It also acquired Pacific Southwest Airlines (With Captain Sullenberger) in 1986, then Piedmont in 1989, with its B767s and routes to Europe, again changing its name to US Airways, in 1993. In 2015, it was merged into American Airlines.
Are you referring to the crash SE of Indianapolis?
Ironic, I just flew in on a trip to see my Mother......
Still. You are more likely to die in a car crash on the way to the airport then in the flight itself.
If people took as good care as their cars as is mandated for aircraft care by the FAA the average life span of the family car would be 20 plus years!
Also, if they cancel a flight, don't gripe about it!
Even in the 21st century it's better to be safe then sorry during severe weather!
Mine's an '05 and I look to be driving it another 5 years easily.
Yes It’s still me
Get out of te channels ass
The approach you describe is an NDB approach, not a VOR one. NDB approaches can be considerably more difficult and less precise, especially in windy inclement weather.
Great channel interesting documentaries but why only 22 minutes long ?
Could you please look into a plane crash that happened in the 60s, it was called the Perpignan Air Disaster. My aunt and uncle died and my parents were meant to be on that flight with them going to Spain.
I'm so happy to hear you survived this horrific event. It's even worse that the pilots were so busy with landing in that blizzard that they lost track of the altitude. At least there are more safe guards now to help prevent this. Even though flying is much safer now. I have seen things happen inflight that would scare the pants off the average flyer! (I was a flight attendant for the latter version of Allegheny- US Airways and also Lufthansa). Best of luck to you and God bless!
Thanks for the comment.
Do Mohawk Airlines Blossberg PA June 1967,
referring to surviver's guilt, "why was it them and not me? We'll never have an answer to that question" and yet we plainly do. Some people survived and some people died because all those bodies were affected in different ways... some were crushed, some impaled, some bodies were weaker or more fragile, etc. So many actual reasons why some survived and some didn't. Why do people have to act like gods choose who lives because they are more special and deserving than the dead? Religion clouds minds, and diminishes reason.
It's not all about religion. A lot of that could be "why was my wife asked to move and not me?" or "Why did I book a ticket on this flight?". It's the random chance that leaves most survivors reeling since there really is no other reason than random chance that they lived and someone else died.
both aircraft were 580's,N5802 was the 24/12 a/c. N5825 was the 6/1 a/c.
God bless
Can’t believe none of the passengers tried to help their co-passengers. Damn woman with a baby in her arms. Allegheny Airlines planes dropping out of the sky like flys.
We don’t do metrics here lol
Tragic that there's no memorial to the victims of either accident!
That's to bad, maybe a project for you to work on. I'm sure others would be willing to help.
I guess back then you couldn't say no to piloting a commercial flight given the unsafe weather? Why else did they continue in white out conditions / wind at night?
It's sad when it takes a TRAGEDY FOR ANYTHING TO BE DONE TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN
Beverly Archer: ...tradgedy, and normal.
Aircraft are still flown into the ground from being below minimums all the time. There was nothing learned there that wasn't already known...don't fly your aircraft into the ground! LOL
I was aircrew on the C-130. One of the first things you learn is that the check lists and operating manuals were written in blood.
I think you've got the wrong description paired with this video - two different flight numbers and outcomes.
Yup making the changes, thanks!
I know these types of tragedies are difficult to see and deal with for some, but the vast majority of those who go thru something of this nature are only experiencing a small taste of what us combat vets experience....
And I’m sure others have seen worse than you. What’s your point? Trying to one-up people when it comes to trauma? Get a grip. Thanks for your service.
So what if some people were killed ??? Think about all the money they saved by not installing up to date landing equipment !!! Their cost accountants must've been proud of them !!! 😮