Project Royal Enfield Part 1: RE Classic 350 DNA Stage 2 Kit - Does It Really Improve Anything?
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- Hey there, Welcome to Project Royal Enfield. This is a fun little mini series i'm working on involving my 2022 Classic 350. The goal of this series is to see what can be done to improve the performance of this little single cylinder 350cc bike. Can we make it quicker?, More well rounded? more capable at high way speeds? Who knows.
In this video (part 1) I'm swapping out the stock air filter & intake for the Stage 2 kit by DNA.
It's the quickest and easiest modification you could do on these 350's. It's around $125 so for the price I'd hope there's some sort of boost in the performance of the bike. Others swear by the Stage 2 DNA kit but i'm keeping an open mind with it. Let's see what happens after the install.
I may have a few extra videos in the series where i change out non performance parts like swapping the seat, levers, mirrors, lighting, ect... We'll see where this series takes us.
Chapters
1. 0:00 Introduction to "Project Royal Enfield", The Goal
2. 2:06 What The Kit Comes With & Comparing Intake Openings
3. 3:49 Easiest Install Ever (Only Need a Screwdriver)
4. 4:51 Initial Ride After Install
5. 5:30 Sound Difference (Before & After)
6. 7:51 Any Upgrade To It's Performance?
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Did you notice your valves going out of time with use of the DNA air filter?
@@user-uq5wf9sd1z no never
I just picked up my classic 350 today and it's my first bike at 58. I get the 0-60 times and all that, but my 0-60 time comes in at exactly wooooo hooooo! Don't care about the time, I just care about the fun.
Honestly coming from a 88 Vmax that was HEAVILY modified and stupid fast... the RE Classic 350 puts a smile on my face more than anything.
@@FoxParasyte
RE Classic 350 -
Is it slow ? No - it's just not fast.
But somehow it doesn't matter.
Worth the money just for the sound. Nice deep growl. Great video.
Hey all, update because I've been getting dozens of comments.
I have already ordered the FUEL X lite & a full free flowing exhaust. Those videos will be coming around in the next few weeks.
Thanks for the suggestion anyway
Excellent comparison review with clear conclusions. Not enough reviewers go to that length to state results. 👍👍
This is a super neat little series! Can't wait for more!! I absolutely love the design of the bike, but I do want a tiny bit higher speed for highways... I really hope you manage to pull it off!
Bought a DNA air filter to months ago for my classic 350 chrome bronze. Definitely a a bigger growl sound and throttle is more responsive. I first noticed that with the clutch release as it now feels more like it Is ready to bounce. I also noticed an incredible improvement going uphill.
Does it have any effect on fuel efficiency??
@@akshaypatil7419 that I haven’t noticed as fuel efficiency gets better as the miles accumulate and I bought the DNA filter when the bike had like 1300 on it.
Have you changed the stock exhaust too ?
@@livebeyondlines1624 no. But I plan on doing just the decat pipe. An exhaust upgrade would require fuel x ECU. Where as in the decat pipe fuel x won’t be needed. To my understanding at least.
@@maiojoserivera786what changes occur when we decat. Does it increase the exhaust flow or purely for sound purposes?
I'm way ahead of you pal! I've done both (anticipating your second video but not being a spoiler) to my Meteor and I've transformed its performance.
I have a plan to fix the top speed limiter too, but I haven't done that yet.
Subsribed! new Classic 350 owner here. Just the immediate stuff I need to know, thank you & God bless you.
Thanks for making these vids man !
Great video, really informative and well put together, thank you! 👍
Low displacement bikes gain alot more from the average HP vs big bikes. A handful of small improvements can net quite an improvement. I installed a K&N filter, de-restricted CDI, and iridium plugs on my CB 250 and gained a nice bump in all around performance. The KN filter gave it a throaty intake sound much like this Royal btw. Changing up the sprockets, upped my top speed and downed alotta vibration at hwy speed. Go aluminum sprockets, the weight loss is worth some perf. Your biggest bump in low end torque is going to ultimately wind down to getting a full blown Big Bore Kit w/Cam. It can be pricey if not doing the job yourself that is, and advisable only if you plan to hang onto the bike, but after feeling the difference especially from where the bike first was, youll be happy you did it. Mind you, its never gonna be any type of "track weapon", but it can most definitely be a robust well rounded bike thats enjoyable to ride for lifetimes ; )
Some further possibile mods to increase performance: DID X-Ring gold chain (stronger chain), Red rooster exaust (supposedly one that gives a bump in performance and sound), Aluminum sprockets to save weight, NGK Iridium Spark Plugs (supposedly will boost the engine performance due to better tolerances), fitting a pair of ABS rings with fewer slots that could possibly raise the point in which the ECU trips the speed limiter (This is a BIG maybe), another possibility may be checking if there is a peice of metal or a stop on the back of the speedometer faceplate which trips when the maximum speed is hit (some bikes use this method for speed limiters).
Midrange power does increase! Sounds good as well.
I got the DNA kit but I never did the prep like letting it idle for 15 minutes. Never got any codes and the thing runs great. Definitely noticed an improvement in sound and performance. Highly recommend it.
It probably doesn't need a 15 min idle, there's been conflicting information regarding it.
Where i can buy DNA kit in Abudhabi or its avail in india.if anybody knows plz help me.
Looks nice, good luck with the bike
Hey thanks, i sent you an email and i think you may have missed it.
@@FoxParasyteI haven't received an email
@@paulayeager4737 Hmm weird, i'll have to redo it.
I have a RE 500 and a RE 650 Int. The 650 has plenty of power and is smooth but the riding position, for me is all wrong, back aches, bent wrists, ankles tangled in the foot pegs. I am selling this bike. The 500 has a better position for me, and I prefer it's aesthetics. The power is adequate, but the vibrations leave my hands and feet Numb after an hour of riding and the seat is, well, awful. Aftermarket attempts to correct these issues have failed. I test rode a Classic 350 and I would have to say, it is the most comfortable 2 wheeled conveyance I have ever ridden. For me, the position is perfect. The engine is smooth, very smooth. The seat was incredibly comfortable. I was ready to trade in my 650 for one, but they only offered $2,000 dollars in trade-in (?!?) I took the 350 up to 60mph and I saw the problem. I understand that Freeway riding is not this bike's forte, but freeway riding is an inevitability here in the States. You cannot go anywhere without at least a short stint on the Freeway. I need a working bike, not just a weekend joy rider on country roads or a downtown errand bike. . My 500 does that just fine, as does my scooter. I could jettison every other bike I have for this bike with it's qualities IF it had Two, just Two more horsepower. This review is great, the descriptive analysis of the product and it's effect are clear and specific. This gives me hope. I look forward to further videos on this project bike. Subscribed.
Where i live there are roads that have a 70MPH limit. The bike stock did not enjoy going that fast. With that intake upgrade it doesn't seem bothered being pushed to 70. I think that whenever i do the exhaust and the fuel x then things are going to be quite different, in a good way.
Have you checked out the Scram? It's just a Himalayan but IMO more comfortable and a bit more powerful
Io possiedo una meteor 350 con lo stesso motore. Ho montato il filtro DNA stage 2, ho rimosso il catalizzatore e sostituito il pignone da 15 con quello da 16. Viaggio in autostrada per ore a 100 km/h a giri bassi e posso accelerare in poco tempo a 120.
@@paolosavoia6289 Grazie
@@stevenmiller184check out the Himalayan 452 which was newly released and give it a test ride. Cheers
I drove about a 1000 kilometer's with the DNA filter. For me it's great. Yes, the throttle is far more responsive. I had 10,000 kilometer's on the clock with the old filter and I had to get used to the acceleration when going through a corner. But the filter really excels when riding against a headwind. I live in a rather windy province of the Netherlands. With strong headwinds it took ages to get to 80 kilometer's an hour (if possible) but with the DNA filter I could easily push the bike to 100 kilometer's an hour. So yes, it is surely worth the money. The English supplier Hitchcock stated a 10% increase in power and I think that's true.
I like the fact that the engine may run a little cooler.Cooler means an extended engine life.
Unless you’re cooking the oil, cooler temps shouldn’t matter much.
A must for all J series 350 engine, just so much better
Thanks for this video, I'll check for this stage 2 airfilter in India.
Added the DNA stage 2 and imo it made a difference and makes a nice induction noise to boot.
Cost yup its not cheap but its a life time filter the cleaning and re oiling kit costs around £14 and is enough for 2 treatments if used carefully.
So in the long run is not that dear as a stock filter which you cant clean costs £12 a pop
It's a situation where the upfront cost is high but long term it's more than worth it.
Thank you for perpetuating the myth of the ten minute idle😂. In the early days of EFI it was possible to reflash the ECU using custom software. Both Royal Enfield and Bosch have stated that current EFI systems adjust in nanoseconds, not ten minute increments.
The additional noise makes the bike feel different. Your statements about the “feel” of the motor bear this out.
I did the air filter, Hitchcock’s free flowing exhaust and the Fuel X Pro. Altogether they probably add 0.5 horsepower. Any performance gain is likely caused by a lighter wallet!
Mainly the bike sounds better. I returned it to stock configuration before I sold the bike. It was once again quiet.
Honestly, going up one tooth on the front sprocket was the best and cheapest mod I made. This allowed me to cross an intersection before shifting into second instead of shifting halfway through.
So the bike sounds better with all that done. The rest, including the ten minutes of idling, are pure placebo.
There are 2 myths in a follow up video that Im currently working on. I bring up those as complete BS.
The stage 2 and the Idle thing I kept hearing a lot of conflicting information so I figured well it's not going to hurt the bike regardless. Like I said it probably wasn't necessary.
I do have a buddy that has a Hunter who switched to the DNA and immediately rode it hard after install and the bike died on him a few times. Could have been an entirely different reason for it but I played it safe.
But then the dyno runs from the Hitchcock guys are a lie, also? They showed some 30% increase with full stg2, no ECU tunning.
OOOOH de man is getting a Hitchcocks cam. Ive got the Hunter 350 and the more miles on it the better it goes
I just gotta find someone to install a cam onto the bike. I'm absolutely not doing it myself lol
Are you planning on reviewing the Super Meteor? Love the motorcycle videos!
I would love to have a look at the Scram, Super & Hunter in the future. They're the last 3 so far that i have not covered. I did have a chance to ride a hunter and my general impression was good but i didn't like it anywhere near as much as the Classic.
Hello!!, thank you for the DNA filter video!!!, excellent explanation. One question: what is the process for cleaning the DNA filter, and do you know how long this filter will last? Thanks
It's a 2 step process. DNA offers a kit for servicing the filter which is fairly cheap.
Just a matter of cleaning and using the provided oil in the service kit.
Shouldn't really have to clean it often. Maybe once a year or more depending how often you ride.
Cam upgrade and a high flow cat.
If you want to get the best effect, de-cat the exhaust, and add the fuel X lite
what's fuel x lite bro?
@@EllencyOfficial it's a plug in box which goes between the O2 sensor and the ecu and makes the fuel mixture a little richer to improve the running, it's very clever but not cheap!, it's especially helpful when you de-cat the exhaust and open up the air filter, as these engines run very lean and with more air availability it helps to increase the fuel X lite or pro does it.
@kevindarkstar to add to what you said to @ellencyOfficial.
When i added my fuelx to the bike it dropped the engine/exhaust temps dramatically. Your fuel economy will suffer because of that added fuel but the bike will thank you in the long run.
@@FoxParasyte you mean that it will consume more fuel?
@@EllencyOfficial yes exactly
Did you get power jump and did the 0 - 100kmph time decreased ? if yes how much time does the time decreased
This is by far not everything, but I think this covers the main things you can do to improve the bike: Camshaft from hitchcocks, rear sprocket drive tooth mod (either remove or add a tooth depending on if you want speed or acceleration... Also found at hitchcocks), this DNA air filter upgrade, DNA cover, a full exhaust upgrade, FuelX Pro, Better tires (maybe?), and upgrade breaks (maybe?). I also saw a product called the Magnum Revolution-Pro REV Limiter CDI box, which supposedly connects to the stock ECM board of the motorcycle and allows you to increase the maximum RPM, allowing higher speeds, as Royal Enfield sells the bikes with a intentional limiter... Probably for longevity of the motor, but I've heard in Brazil they removed the limiter from their bikes due to legal reasons... I guess it works fine without it?
Something else I want to look into should I get this bike is if I can attach one of those classic style leather seats (found on ebay) with actual functioning springs like previous royal enfield models had. Otherwise I might look into having a custom bracket fabricated that would allow an old seat like that to work on the new frame. It'd be super neat and it'd probably help feel nicer alongside a gel liner underneath the leather which Mother Road Customs has said they could do alongside redoing the leatherwork so it's a bit higher quality. Best of both worlds I imagine. Correct me if I'm wrong on that! Perhaps they removed the functioning springs for a reason other than cost.
I do have plans on the camshaft upgrade and the fuelX lite. I didn't think about changing the sprocket tooth size although i have debated on upgrading them to ones of better quality... including the chain. I'm 50/50 with the limiter removal. I'm fine with the top speed at 75. 80 would be perfect in my travels but i'm not sure if being able to just change 5 mph if that's even possible. I've not heard of the Mag Revo box, i'll have to look into it. Honestly i'd be more happy upgrading the acceleration a bit, rather than the top speed. My concern with removing that limiter is pushing the bike to a point where it's damaging the engine.
Im wanting to basically turn this thing into a rural/city powerhouse but at the same time keeping it's engine reliability.
@@FoxParasyte I imagine you could do tiny increments of lifting off the limiter (as that's what that Magnum product claims to allow) and as long as you don't do anything too far it would be okay. The only issue with down gearing the rear sprocket for acceleration is that it requires higher engine RPM to maintain the max speed, which because of the limiter isn't possible, and as a result you would loose more speed on the already rather slow classic. I definitely wouldn't do sustained high speeds on the bike stock, let alone with a limiter bump and other mods though as that would probably strain the engine quite a bit. However, to have that extra bit of speed for emergencies or should you need to hop on the highway quickly and then hop off, it'd be great to have.
@@FoxParasyte I forgot to mention that there was a guy who took the clutch and exhaust of a Classic 500 and put it onto his Classic 350 reborn which gave better acceleration as well. Something you could possibly look into if you're crazy enough to do it like him. It's an involved mod.
Ok so if that Magnum does allow small increments i'm probably going to look into that. I don't want it to go past 85 absolute max. If that's the case about the sprockets i'm probably just going to leave them alone and just replace the chain with a gold X ring. When i get around 3k miles i'll look into the sprockets to see how worn they are. If i don't think they're worth replacing i may just not touch them until the time is ready. Then go for something better made.
Yeah running the bike stock at 70 was a bear. You could tell the bike wasn't thrilled. With the open air intake it feels so much less stressed when on highways. Even just that change alone has significantly improved how the bike functions.
To improve performance you need to replace the full exhaust system. Nothing else will make much difference
I guess it depends on what type of performance you're looking for. I know that the stock exhaust is restrictive as all hell so there's no surprise that a full exhaust will make a significant change. But definitely the stage 2 DNA made a massive difference with the uphill performance, throttle response, and being more comfortable at higher speeds.
The Cam is another story but i have to have someone install that one for me. Engine work is not something im confident with.
How to buy this... Filter
I'm going to watch the rest of your classic 350 videos. But I'm curious, have you had the issue with the Speedo? My girlfriend has had hers replaced and the new one is already broken.
Yes but Issues in what way exactly?
Mine would skip ahead and read 80mph when only going 50. Then when I would stop the bike in neutral it would read that I was going 30mph.
I fixed that myself without replacing anything.
@@FoxParasyte the backing with the printing on it seems to come away from what's behind it and the needle gets stuck. I'd definitely be interested in how you fixed it. I'm willing to try whatever.
@@CurlyWolf_ hmm don't know about the backing. That's weird.
Well I took the headlight assembly off and used electric sensor cleaner on the connectors for the speedometer. It was caked in grease. I then changed out the headlight for an LED one. Never had an issue since then.
@@FoxParasyte ah the grease. My Himalayan had some grease on some relays. I'll look into it and see if that helps at all. Thanks! Look forward to the rest of the 350 vids.
box seems a tad too big for product??
Try a punjab pipe on the bike
The good thing about the Royal Enfield is that most of the after-market parts are out of India, so super cheap.
Sadly most of the ones i want are from the UK and nowhere near a cheap lol
how has the air filter impacted the mileage?
mine gives 35 kmpl which is approximately 82 mpg.
please let me know as I'm planning to install this filter.
Its hard to say just with the filter. I have since installed a full exhaust and the fuelx lite. I know that prior to the Fuelx i was getting a little worse MPG which i contributed to the exhaust more than anything.
Since everything has been installed ive noticed my personal mpg ranges from 78mpg to nearly 90mpg depending on the travel
I have fuelx installed with stock airfiler and exhaust. I am planning to go for DNA Stage 2 air filter.
Would it be ok without changing the stock exhaust ?
Yes, absolutely. You do not have to do anything with the exhaust if you don't want to
@@FoxParasyte Thanx for the reply.
Some comments stating that increased air intake would cause a problem if cat isn't removed, had me worried.
@@livebeyondlines1624 highly doubtful if the fuelx is also installed considering it would be automatically correcting the air to fuel mixture
"HIGH PERFORMANCE FILTERS" 🧐 I've seen a lot of videos about changing the air filter, they all say the performance will improve. But no one could measure or calculate, only words, only promises.....How much percet performance was increased exactly?
use decat pipe
If you let air in, you have to let air out
Already a step ahead at this point. Just need to get to making the video
Add ngk iridium spark plugs with cap and wire
Fuel x fuel moduel
Redroaster rambler full exhaust
Kent performance cam and 16tooth front sproket...
Then see her fly...mine has all of the above barring the cam and sproket.. as cant get them in india..
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I'm going full exhaust but not redroaster. I tried looking up different wires for the spark plugs and had no luck really.
@@FoxParasyte want part numbers for the spark plugs
Any specific reason for not opting redroaster
I just need to figure out better wires, the plugs are easy enough to find.
Redroaster full exhaust i can't seem to find an easy way to buy it with USD here in the US. But i am going for a full exhaust through a british company
I would not own a tripper nav on my Himalayan if I had the choice. Much better using Google maps and audio directions via my Cardo. And if you really need visual cues, use a clear face tank bag oe Quad-lock
I've decided heavily against the tripper (having using it myself off a demo bike recently) I'm good just sticking to my Ram mount. Had it for several years and never once had any issues with it. I'm not big about Quad-lock personally but i get why people love it.
Wont water go in if it rains???
I'm not much for riding in the rain myself but i highly doubt it would make a significant impact. The way the airbox is made, it would pull air from underneath the side cover. If say the intake was a fully open & exposed one like you often see on HD, Indian, and Japanese Cruisers then yeah rain would pose an issue.
Suscrito
What is the name of those crash bars?
They were installed on the bike prior to my purchase. I believe they are the Airfly Evo
@@FoxParasyte how much are they?
I like the Airfly Madras bars.
@@mockbattles under 150. I'm not sure how I feel about the madra, I'd have to see them in person.
Now a cat delete!!
only makes at best 24-25 BHP modified. What is the point of any of this again? Good production
Improve acceleration, throttle response, and overall functionality of the bike. And to have a little fun with it.
You can get a little more than that with certain mods supposedly. Still, that's at least a 20% improvement in power. Really not bad. Brings it from a bike barely able to keep up with it's weight, to a bike that is a little more light on it's feet per say.
Show me any bike you can get 20% more BHP out of easily. I´ll wait.
@@RiderOftheNorth1968 Did you check out Hitchcock's dyno sheet on their cam? 5.1 hp gain at the wheel w/ DNA plate, paper filter, decat pipe and stock silencer. Not bad to work from.
@@RiderOftheNorth1968 Nobody said it'd be without mods that take some know-how.
Now get yourself a powertronic ecu and fuel x module from race dynamics.
They do not have an ECU upgrade for the 350 models.
How can one know the installation has gone wrong?
Hard to say without information. Has the bike behaved in a different / negative way?
@@FoxParasyte I followed the steps showed by you and done with installation plus 15 mins on start mode.
The DNA air filter which I got has the serial no
R-RE35N21-01 is this same air filter installed on yours? And is it necessary to keep the document holder back?
Yeah that's the same one i have. You can keep the document holder installed from my understanding. I never did because it's not something i'll ever use.
@@FoxParasyte my bike has just done 34kms
I hope everything will be good
Thank you so much
Not a problem buddy. I wouldn't worry about it unless you ride in a lot of dusty sandy areas. Even if you are, it's one of those situations where maintaining your bike (or filter in this case) will safe you in the long run.
'Promo SM' 💯
You need to work on that gear shift Fella. 👍🇬🇧
It's not super easy for me anymore since nearly having my foot amputated. I physically can't bend my left foot much and my nerves are completely shot. So gear shifts are far harder for me vs most people.
@@FoxParasyte Get the heel and toe shifter, works perfect.
500cc conversion better cam free flow exhaust and airfilter
The trouble with doing mods you end up damaging the bike , it’s a bike to slow down and enjoy the countryside, why didn’t you just buy a faster bike??
I have 2 other bikes that are vastly quicker than the royal enfield. It's not about "buying a faster bike" anyone can do that.
There is virtually zero evidence to support that changing out things like air intake, exhaust, and installing a fuel pack leads to damaging the bike. Upgrading the camshaft and internal engine parts can possibly lead to problems but you have to go out of your way to do something wrong.
Certain bikes like my Yamaha require a tune or a fuel commander when changing the air intake and exhaust, the royal doesn't necessarily need it... but it will improve the performance of the bike long term.
@@FoxParasyte Trust me, you lost zero value on the bike. I'll buy it off you when you're done :P
@@izaicslinux6961 hell no lol I'm not selling this bike. It's both my fiance's and mine