Gravel Bike VS Road Bike | Which Is Fastest On The Cobbles Of Paris Roubaix
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- The cobbled roads of Paris Roubaix are absolutely brutal. Designed for horse drawn farm carts and tractors, they hardly seem rideable on a traditional road bike, and watching the pros race full gas across the sectors of Pavé is one of the most impressive parts of the sport. But is a road bike the best tool for the job, or would a gravel bike be quicker? Before the Covid-19 pandemic, Conor was out in Northern France to test which bike would be faster across the Carrefour De L'Arbre; road or gavel?
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I am waiting for Canyon to make a Limited Edition "Red Baron" Grail with three hover bars; in red of course.
Genius.
HAHAHA I would buy that shit
Waw... i actually want one now
Emblazoned with black Iron Crosses!
Lmaoo
Gap would narrow more with 38mm slick gravel tyres fitted like Panaracer Gravel Kings rather than running knobblies
Yep can't believed he used knobbie tires for this. Almost invalidates the whole excercise
Totally what I was thinking too, slicks on the gravel bike, and I bet it would win.
Also, both sets of tyres should be from the same manufacturer, and ideally the same tyre type, so that width is the only difference as far as tyres are concerned. These sort of GCN videos are good, but with a bit more thought and care put into the methodology, they’d be really good.
My thoughts exactly. I love those freaking tires. Throw on a Lauf fork too and you're done.
Also, don't forget the aero wheels.
10:30
Conor: 'Back in the studio! Recovered from Belgium.' after riding Paris-Roubaix course.
*French riot ensues*
🤣🤣🤣👌👌
the "paved road section" was in belgium while the cobbles were in france (carrefour de l'arbre section but ridden in the opposite direction compared to what the riders do in Paris Roubaix//although the cobbled corner seemed to me like they rode it in the same direction as the pro's....which is quite odd)
@@pieterannaert5129 Thank you for that, so riot in france can be stopped! :-) Anyway that comment was funny as hell. Regards!
@@pieterannaert5129 Thought the same, seeing the roadsigns ... M-E-P isn't far from the border but i doubt they did it ons the same day ...
Belgium, France... Aren't Ireland and England more or less the same thing? 🤣🤣🤣 Just being facetious...
Great comparison, I like that.
But calculations are wrong.
4h 49m + 1h 45m = 6h 34m
So the difference between road and gravel bikes is 12m.
glad someone else spotted that, been driving me nuts! Maybe Conor could use the same dodgy maths to make the gravel bike faster!
@@alwaysthinkbig5661 the video isn't about daily commuting, though
@@deabreu.tattoo right
@@deabreu.tattoo so?
@@danielandersson3539 Good Catch. Well done.
It would have been better if you had used slick, or almost slick gravel tyres. Knobs like that are only needed on loose surfaces or mud. If you had done so the tarmac times would have been much closer and probably faster on the cobbles as well.
They also didn’t take into account the fact that on the road surface he put out 5 W less average power and on the cobble surface he put out 10 W less power on average
That was my immediate thought as soon as I saw the Canyon Grail, why are they using these knobby tires? It's going to immediately be an issue on the road slowing the bike down, and it's completely unnecessary for the cobbles. I'm not saying the Paris Roubaix should be ridden on gravel bikes, but I'd like to see a real comparison.
I swear man, every time GCN does a comparison like this they always miss one item that can make a big difference. It's like they get so close every time, but really they need to redo the test properly because in my mind this should've been a closer time on the road.
You win a GCN bottle!
Agreed. He should redo this one with slicks on the gravel bike.
If Conor had used slicks on the gravel bike, it wouldn't have been a genuine *gravel bike* comparison. Because out of the shops they _don't_ come with slicks.
It would be interesting to see a similar comparison, but with the gravel bike wearing large volume but slick tyres instead of the knobbies - that would probably be a better setup for a course like this.
Irish national champ stripes for Conor! Matt and Emma had their respective stripes on their GCN kit.
Doesn't sound Irish?
Golden Retriever theres like 100 different accents in ireland. Just because he doesnt sound like Conor McGregor doesnt mean he’s not irish 🤦♂️
Seeing as I would be out the back in the first 30seconds, I would take the gravel bike for some comfort in my 250km lonely slog.
Indeed! From there, it’s just a matter of how much you suffer. And in that sense , gravel bike all the way. I don’t ride cobble OR gravel, but some of the back roads I ride are nearly as bad. I am considering a new bike, and this video is instructive.
After riding some rough, but no where near as rough as those cobbles, roads in Idaho on my road bike a few years ago, I said never again. Actually I said it several times. I was so tired and felt so beat up at the end. The first 30 miles felt like I had already ridden 50.
Great video! Now, the problem with extrapolations is that you can't take the result for 2 km and extend it for 200 km for such a difficult and varied course. Unfortunately, unless someone can maintain the same environmental conditions and power output over the same course using both bikes, there isn't much else that could be done. Having said that, 7 minutes difference over the span of almost 7 hours of ride is most certainly less than the error associate to extrapolating this particular data. So, the jury is still out on this one.
Congratulations once again and looking forward to your next video!
The speed you ride the cobbles makes all the difference. At 40 km/h it feels much smoother because your tyres only contact the top surface of all cobbles. At lower speeds your tyres will contact the lower gaps between the cobbles as well, which makes it much harder.
But, at higher speed on road slicks you'll bounce more and spend less time in contact with the ground and pushing forward, whereas with wider tires with lower pressure your contact will be more constant, actually enabling you to go faster and more efficiently (GCN did a video on this--albeit over rough pavement, not full on cobbles--with Emma Pooley).
"I can barely walk on them"
To be fair, you can barely walk anywhere in those roadie shoes...
The starting before the timed runs without Si's "BEEEEEEP" just isn't the same....
Richard Haselwood I agree completely
given that every pro with serious expectations in the race rides with a Roubaix specific bike, his starting point with using a standard road race bike is wrong
Put 38mm slicks on the gravel bike!
Yup exactly... those nobbles aren't needed and will be slowing it down more than the width!
I have some 35mm Terreno zeros and I think they would be just the ticket. Just yesterday I did 70 rd miles with my friend who was on 28mm slicks (both gravel bikes) and could keep up fine on the road, but he couldn't even follow me onto dirt trails.
@@adanielweaver That's because wider tires aren't any slower on the road, it's a huge misconception.
... or 38mm slicks on the road bike?
@@MrBradSmith If 38mm tires fit, then isn't it a gravel bike?
Wouldn't a less nobbly tyre on the gravel bike be grippier and quicker on the cobbles?
Grippier, no (since it was wet, and this where slick tire are ded), but definitely faster!
@@aymericpeten761 as there's no standing water to clear I wouldn't have thought a nobbly tyre would add more traction, if anything I would have thought the reduced surface area of the tyre would reduce traction? According to the video the only bike Conor came off on was the gravel bike...
Definitely a poor tire choice for cobbles, great tire for dirt, I would have used slicks 35-38mm better traction.
@@Peter-tc3ep I agree, would have made the experiment a bit more interesting, still a good watch though. If only we knew what tyres were used on the Orbea... 😬
@@Peter-tc3ep Would have been great to see him use Specialized Pathfinder or WTB ByWays - or similar - that have a smooth centre but a decent tread on the tire shoulder...
Very thankful for all the former professionals on GCN. So talented, informative, and humble.
This test assumes what is basically an ITT over the entire course. The first hundred+ miles of tarmac would be fairly relaxed in the draft of the peloton for the big hitters. That would completely negate the benefit of the road bike over the gravel bike for most of the smooth pavement. Gravel bike could easily be the better choice for the last 1/3 of the race when the pave comes thick and heavy.
Robby Beauchamp pause. Exactly, a gravel bike with better tires & 53t chainring would haul ass in the peloton.
Ideally you'd just swap bikes after the first 100k
Conor discusses it in the video and sees it quite the opposite. He might by dropped on the slower bike before even getting to the cobbles. BTW there have been debates about CX bikes for Paris-Roubaix for ages. It is nothing new. And the road bike is still used by the best. www.velonews.com/news/paris-roubaix-tech-saur-sojasuns-cyclocross-bikes-for-the-cobbles/
The number of people who show up just to run down GCN videos is astonishing. It’s practically a sport unto itself, all these know-it-all keyboard warriors showing how much smarter or more insightful they are than everybody else. Whatever. I thought this was an excellent video, one that may well inform my next purchase. I don’t ride cobble or gravel, but I do ride some really rough back roads. For me, the small advantage in speed a road bike has under optimal conditions is almost certainly offset by reduced fatigue and better rough-surface speed with a gravel bike. Test after test shows that the gains associated with small weight reductions and marginal improvements in aerodynamics are worth neither the cost nor the discomfort for 99% of riders. Pros and elite amateur racers aside, a bike that provides a more comfortable ride will do more to keep you riding and training than anything else, and probably just as fast in real world conditions. So thanks to GCN for yet another interesting and useful test, never mind what the anonymous geniuses say in the comment section.
Gravel bikes aren't meant to be faster necessarily, just more capable and comfortable. You wouldn't run a 40 1x up front if your focus was speed.
Fro the start the biggest Faux Pas from my perspective is tyre choice on the Gravel bike! If you wanted side by side comparison the Gravel bike should have run high volume slick tyres. Then the on road sections would have been closer, and the cobble sectors would still have been faster on the Gravel Bike. A more realistic side by side comparison IMO
This Orbea is visually the nicest bike ever!
Cool test, well done! Interesting to see lower power leading to faster time on the cobbles. I thought the road bike was going to be closer actually. I'm happy with going for a gravel bike. I don't need max speed no compromise, just a bit of speed and a good bit of suppleness.
I certainly wouldn’t run knobby tires on a gravel bike for Roubaix! My go-to would be gravel bike with tubeless 35mm Rene Herse Bon Jon tires, the ultimate Roubaix rubber!
Aight boys time to run 32c in Carrefour de l'abre
Lets be honest we all love cycling videos this is just what I need to get it going the blood I love it. I always watch these before I go out and get my body moving. I love when I always watch one of these, and then put up my heavy playlist I love like Delta Parole and then I just go haaaaard!!!! Tactic hasnt let me down yet.
With a better gravel bike setup (slick tires and more comparable gearing) and a more racey bike frame (no anti aero hoverbar for example) the test would have been much closer. Ultimately a majority tarmac route will always favor the aer road bike though!
i dont think the hoverbars would have done any difference
Was thinking the same thing. Running 32-36mm slick tires at ~70-80psi would be an interesting test.
@@rygilly32 woudl kind defeat the "Gravel" part of the bike wouldn't it. gravel bikes run fat tires. one could choose a hard gravel tire with less nobs
@@Daniel-dj7fh You are absolutely right, it really wouldn't be a "gravel" bike at that point, if the rules of the game are such. I guess I was thinking in terms deviation from what is standard on a pro race bike, to achieve as much as possible the best of both worlds. It's all relative of course, but in the peloton 36mm tires will probably look pretty fat. 😉
Cool video, Conor! I would be super interested in seeing a second analysis in which the gravel bike has the same aero wheelset as the road bike while also running 40+ mm road slick tires. I reckon that would seriously whittle the distance between the two setups on the road without slowing the gravel bike down much on the pave. I've had great success on mixed surfaces with 40mm WTB Byways on my Canyon cross bike.
This test was about as scientific as the UK's approach to dealing with Covid-19.
Dodge US government enters chat room...
@@mannyrei1 🕵️♂️
not funny but lmao
There is no covid so science is irrelevent. There is only the failures of Men which has led to Britain climbing into its grave, a grave that was dug in 1939 when it made the biggest mistake in history.
@@smallhatshatethetruth7933 you ok hun? Back on the dugs again?
i'm loving these Conor on the cobbles videos
Another great GCN test! I would for sure ride the more compliant gravel bike. I noticed on both segments, your power was lower on the gravel bike. I wonder why, and how close the results would be if your power had been equal?
I was looking forward to Connor racing the entire course twice - but no we got 2x4km of the fastest man in GCN livery. 👍 special!
I am curious whether a more competition-oriented gravel bike (such as the 3T Exploro or the Cervelo Aspero) would widen that gap. You would likely lose most of the advantage in comfort from the Grail, but you could gain that back by running either 38c or 42c tires.
Also, were you running clincher or tubeless?
the new trek cx boone would obliterate those imo, also the domane is the best bike to the cobles with the isospeed
What was the tire size on each bike? Probably a 35 MM less grippy( say schwalbe all road) on the Grail would give a better account of itself on both the cobbles and the road. The stock grail wheels are really designed for hitting the trails and forest. Still a great idea for a video and i think highlights that Gravel Bikes arent out to win bike races. It would be great to see some pro races with a transition element ( Road Bike for a lead in to a climb and then to the top, followed by a gravel bike for downhill trails/forest roads) Opens up a lot of the Grand Tour Climbs also by adding new connecting roads out of vallies.
Man, with that bike of yours, I won't be able to reach the ground with my feet even if I sit on the toptube 🤣
I would do the test one more time only this time lead out with the gravel bike and follow with the road bike. That way you have an equal comparison. It doesn't really matter though because none of us often ride on cobbles. That being said, I still enjoyed the comparison and all of your comments. Very well done.
Smoother tyres and a double-chainring with closer ratios maybe help on the gravel bike too? Great contribution as always, Connor!
Next try a semi suspended road bike like the Specialized Roubaix or Canyon Endurace with 32mm slicks at a lower pressure
Just Me it’s almost like specialized made a bike specifically for this race...
Agreed. Though this is another take at the ongoing, current romance with gravel bikes.
Fun video! Paris Roubaix is on my list of rides to do and I've thought a lot about the right bike for *me* ... I know the right bike for the pros, is a road bike. OTOH, as a fan of riding endurance and ultra gravel races, I've learned staying comfortable on the bike is more important that being "fast". Bike-handling skills are not my strong suit, so get tires and bike that keep me comfortable is the key to successful long rides on rough roads. I would ride my Breezer Radar Pro with 700x45 Riddlers, and I will be happy to finish the course without worrying about being the fastest ... 'cause I know the fastest riders will have already enjoyed a shower, burger, and beer (or 3) before I find the finish line.
the position of that cycle computer though at 1:33
reason for me for not buying the grail. these handlebars are just a silly idea. no bikepacking bags at front, horrible computer placement, no aero setup possible and you can just use canyon replacement parts...
he talks about it at 4:23
My OCD is killing me looking at that
Sorry that's my fault! There is a neat place to screw a head unit mount under the bars... I just err.. forgot to pack it on this trip. Grail bars are different but honestly, after riding them a while now I love them.
@@conordunne1 If there is a chance in the future please do a video on this vs Redshift Shockstop vs Lauf fork vs FutureShock :-)
Sort the right tyres out and look at the gearing it could be closer.
Probably could run a 48 front chainring on the Grail and be better off
Frederic A. Truslow Sure you’d be best running same gearing as the road bike. Then you would have continuity
Something to consider is that in the peloton the power average will be much lower, so if you're a contender to win, then sitting in you may easily make it to 90km. At which point you will easily take fatigue out of your rivals as draft matters less on the cobbles, as it's the pave itself causing the problems. then later on if you want to attack on a cobbled section... well it's easy.
So I'm not saying it is right or wrong, but I think there is a lot more to this one. Loved the video though!
Spinergy in the background. Love them!
"easier"...or less brutal? Only way to make Paris-Roubaix easy is to watch it on the TV.
Easier does not mean easy
Good video Connor. Since I’m not a pro and would not be racing I’d take the gravel bike myself, no question about it.
Last year I used a gravel bike over a road bike in a "road race with off-road sectors". I tuned the gravel bike towards pavement with 32mm slick tyres and road gearing. As Conor suspected I still got dropped on the paved roads before the first off-road sector. While my lack of legs was the main reason it's also the case that marginal differences in speed can be determinative in racing (just ask Team Sky).
If you can't stay with the pack on the road any gravel bike advantage becomes moot, but a fitter rider might fare better provided they can reach the cobbles with the bunch.
Great video Conor, Just wondering why you don't have the Irish Nat Champs bands on your GCN kit?
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it! Stay tuned for the stripes.. don't worry I'm on it! ;)
@@conordunne1 glad to hear it, stay healthy
Since everybody criticises my testing videos, I'll do the same here. It would've been more conclusive to ride 2km of asphalt and then the cobbles on each bike in one shot. Interesting video though
My next gravel bike(maybe new diverge 2021 god bless) gets the wtb exposure in 36mm for road and light gravel. Right now i am running the wtb exposure on my 2017 diverge expert and love it so far.
Great vid guys! One of my favourite so far :)
Foam pipe wrap from plumbing supply is one obvious and cheap fix for hand vibration problem instead of expensive parts like exotic carbon handlebars. Used pipe wrap as a kid on my bmx bike.
Biggest difference is probably going to be aero, so maybe grab a gravel "race bike" like the cervelo aspero, slap some 35-40mm slick tyres on a pair of 30-50mm deep, but wide rims and have another crack. 😉
Would you put fat slicks on the gravel bike on a course like this rather than those knobbies which I'd image do not help over cobbles?
Did the paris roubaix sportive on my cx bike a few years ago. I was struggling on the pavement, but on the cobbles I could overtake loads of people and didn't have a single puncture or other problems with my bike.
I was really happy with my bike choice to say the least.
what tires did you run?
@@kingprone7846 Sorry for the late reply, did it on the challenge limus not the best choice. I did paris roubaix again this year on the challenge gravel grinders, those tires were really good on the wet cobbles
@@iimmolarious7636 ive been trying a few tires as well and nothing beats the Cyclocross Speeds on pavement. they arent available anymore but Continental now makes a tire called Terra Speed which seems to have similar properties even though it looks different. maybe worth a try if you do a lot of mixed street/gravel.
@@kingprone7846 I have the continental speed king tires and I love those tires they are super fast on the pavement, but I sold my cx bike and got a gravel bike and they don't fit in my frame. I signed up for paris roubaix next year again, not sure yet if I'm gonna use my gravel grinders again or look for something faster.
@@iimmolarious7636 the continental speed kings are very old tires and they are terrible on pavement. we used to call them "the glue" because you turn around everytime you accelerate to see what glues you to the road. They have some weird profile which essentially is designed for extramuddy CX courses and pretty much nothing else. Id strongly suggest you switch to something else if you do gravel+street. most people who used to have them like 13 years ago (when there wasnt much choice for gravel-style tires as gravelriding didnt exist) bought them by accident because they thought they bought the CX speeds.
I heard the Grail was designed around 40mm tires - perhaps a little narrower 38mm or even slightly less than that would give you slightly better speed. There could be a perfect balance of sure-footedness over the cobbles and speed. Nevertheless, a very interesting challenge! As for me, riding a road bike on those cobbles would have some historical resonance but a gravel bike might be more in tune with my body and less likely to keel over.
1. What is the difference between a roadbike and a gravelbike these days when the both have discbrakes, fat tires through axles and suspension built into them?
2. What is the definition of a gravelbike? Minimum of 47 mm tires? 1 by system gearing? A 50 tooth cassette at the rear?
3. I think a roadbike with norrow(er) tires will always be faster on a course like this as long as you manage to stay upright and doesn't have too many flats. However if the composition between paved/cobbled sections is altered it might be another story.
My mate Luke did it on a Boone! Personally, if I was going to have a go I wouldn't be in it to win but just to have a go and enjoy the experience, so the extra comfort of my Checkpoint SL5 (maybe with some super lightweight wheels and tyres) would be my weapon of choice. Comfort all the way!
More Roubaix contents.. More more moooore!!!
Surely something between would be optimised. Gravel bike, slick large volume tire running tubeless, road groupset with clutch RD. By looking the sketchiness of the road bike on the wet cobbles, I suggest getting some gravel bike with MTB geometry. Would be a lot morer composed on the road too.
There have been many experiments over the years, from suspension forks in the early 90's, to Mueseuw's full suspension Bianchi in the mid-90's to pseudo-cyclo-cross bikes in the early 00's. When all is said and done,the pros keep returning to pretty basic road bikes (maybe with a FEW small modifications) so that should tell us all something about what works best for them!
I think the key here is to find something that does both fairly well like a 33c tubular with a file or no tread. It would roll almost as fast on tarmac but offer some really help on the pave.
I thought that smashing an average of 370-400Watts straight for well over 6 hours is a bit optimistic, even for the pros... and hen I looked up results from last year and just wow. Winning time 5:41, avg speed 45km/h just wow.
Bought a gravel bike 6 months ago and have never looked back. Road bikes are great on smooth tarmac, but the roads around here are about as smooth as a cheese grater and there are more towpaths and cycle tracks than you can shake a stick at which are unsuitable for road bikes but perfect for gravel bikes. All depends on your personal needs.
Great video! Couple questions: 1. Would it be UCI legal to ride a gravel bike in this race? Would a switch from road to gravel be legal? 2. Were you running a 10T cog on the rear of the gravel bike? Seems like gears would be a major factor in this too.
An other thing you forget is that in the end of paris roubaix, the last two sectors are really minors. The last hard sector "carrefour de l'arbre" is 15 km away from the end. The end is 6 kilometers of straight avenue with a finish in the velodrome. You abolutely don't want to be with a less performant bike when you get there and you can't change your bike at this point.
Rules are more permissive for gravel racing. You could have used smooth but soft gravel tires for lower friction and better aero than knobby treads. Aero bars are also permitted in gravel racing, and why not a proper aero helmet too? BIG THANKS in any case for showing us some good consistent riding at the pro level, to calibrate these tests. Now we know: 3km/h is the difference, for both smooth pavement and cobbles, for knobby gravel tires (what size and psi did you use???) vs 28c smooth road tires. Then extrapolating by weighting the parts to get a total for a given race, as you demonstrated, is a very good estimation. Thanks for this data!
Very cool video....truly enjoyed this....awesome work....keep.up the great job.👍🇨🇦
Put a 42/53 crankset on the both bikes and some slick tires also, would be a better test
@@XX-is7ps yes that's true, but it would be a better test if they have the same cranks on both bikes. 53 on the page and the 42 on the cobbles
@@XX-is7ps well they wanted to know what's fastest.😂😂😂 I run this set crankset up with 30mm tires and it's works for me.
What size gravel bike did you go for just out of interest? I'm about to return a grail CF sl thinking it was too small but yours looked quite compact.
He's a big boi so probably one of the largest sizes. He said his Orbea was a size 60.
@@fast.biking_freddy The largest is XXL which I think may even be a little big... bike he was on looked smaller than the BMC.
maybe use a slick or a file tread on the gravel bike. Knoby tire can sap a lot of speed
Good test, but you could have gone for a Canyon Grail with a bit more of a similar spec. Both the top end grail bikes come with DT Swiss GRC1400 Spline db wheels - which are a lot more aero than the ones you used. Would have saved time on both the cobbles and the paved sections and made for a much closer test! Some slick (but wide) tyres would also have helped - but I can see why you kept the gravel bike with typical gravel tyres for the purposes of this test.
Hi. I enjoyed this video a lot. On the road bike (Orbea) with Mavics did you use tubeless tyres?
Did Matt not do a similar video comparing cross and xc bikes a few years ago?
Not quite, they used same bike with different tyre widths
Pretty sure he did and the conclusion was a hard tail would be the quickest
@@joeinglesfield7446 Yes, but only on that single 5 star sector. Not in the less brutal sectors and certainly not on the road.
That Orbea is stunning.
Don't forget the fact that the first part is riden in peloton and that therefore you can take an advantage of wind protection by other riders. I wouldn't be surprised that the gravel bike is still fast enough to stay in the peloton. And when you arrive to the tranchée d'aremberg, you can produce your effort. You can also keep in mind that between the cobbled sections, the riders usually try to slow down a little bit to recover from the brutal effort they did on the cobbles. So definitively, I would choose the gravel bike!
I can't help but be curious what would be the results if you did your testing by running each route on the gravel bike FIRST and the road bike SECOND. Did you REALLY fully recover between runs so that fatigue did not influence these results?
1:48 From now on I think that size XXL bikes are starting to look better than smol ones. Would cut steam tho! Not only because I'm 195+cm.
Great video, as usual.
One comment about the methodology: you could have made the results more relavent by putting tires with similar style and construction as the road bike on the gravel bike. Some lightweight 700x38 or so slicks, like Grand Bois Barlow Pass, and maybe even aero wheels... or put non-aero wheels on the road bike.
Anyhoo, very enjoyable video. Thanks 1,000,000
Nice one Conor! Why doesn't anyone do a quick bike change? A bit like a hilly TT, I could see it being an advantage to ride the cobbled sectors (the ones that are close together) with a more compliant bike, while doing the long miles with the road machine. Just a thought! All the best..
Honestly, I love all classics and really like to watch them. My opinion:
Road racing is road racing - there is a bike for it
Gravel and Cyclocross racing - there is a bike for it
You´ll never put on cross country ski´s for slalom or downhill, so riding over those massive cobbles is a really odd thing to do on a road bike. Anyway, I admire the pro´s who manage to get through those sections, Paris-Robaix is just to old and classic to change course, but if you have those cobbles in your surrounding and have to ride on them a roadbike obviously will be the worst joice in all terms.
All in all a very nice Video, thanks for that!! ♥♥♥
Mainswitch55 - I don’t agree, these days with cross & gravel bikes with disc brakes, it’s all about what tires & wheels you are using. The difference for the frame itself will be minimal.
@@ivarbrouwer197 I do agree with wheels and and tires which are making the main difference on those bikes. That´s what i meant. And you´re also right that frames are often similar, if you look for a comfort endurance road bike, geometry can be very, very similar to a gravel bike.
Kind Regards :-)
I can slalom on my country ski just not as fast but it's harder to go up hill on my downhill ski.
Seems like a bike such as the 3T Exploro could make this very interesting. Add some wide slicks and have a go!
As someone who has never ridden these cobbles, I can only imagine that fatigue would play a large role in overall time as well. Maybe the right gravel bike and tire setup would be faster due to a more comfortable ride.
Just as others commented, a true comparison would have been using a less aggressive tire on the Grail, such as the Panaracer Gravel King as it is close to a road tire. This would help negate the road bike advantage on the paved road and still provide benefit on the cobbles with more tire volumn and compliance of the gravel bike.
You should check out a Cruzbike S40 front wheel drive recumbent which that can be configured as a gravelish bike.
I love these tests! I’m definitely a fan of the gravel bike. If I recall correctly, all of the road vs. gravel bike videos GCN have done run the gravel bike on fairly knobby tires on the road sections which would seem to be a large disadvantage. I used to run 38c Hutchinson Override tires on mine and they are definitely fast on the road, and surprisingly good off. Not as fast as the 28c Conti GP 5000 TLR’s I now run, but I never had trouble keeping up with the pure roadies I ride with. Any chance of using more road biased tires on a gravel bike for the road section of a road vs. gravel bike shootout?
I think the S-Works Roubaix or Trek Domane or some similar specific Roubaix bike with 32mm tubular tires is the best choice! It is not slower (or maybe just a little bit slower) on the paved road but it will be a lot faster on the cobbles!
Great video, those cobbles look brutal. Broke my femur once on a FLAT road. Conclusion was good and besides the pro race neutral support only carry road gear.
So would an S-Works Roubaix be better because of the weight?? I'm thinking of getting a new bike, have a gravel bike but want something lite to climb up hills.
Interesting test! Wondering whether the road bike's advantage on asphalt would be reduced by the drafting effect of the peloton(surely a leveller) , to a greater extent than would the gravel bike's advantage on the cobbles(peloton breaks up and there's less aero issue at lower speed). As Conor suggests, i suspect that in bad weather the gravel bike might well have the overall advantage. Be great to see one pro team go for it on gravel bikes next year.
entertaining comparison video. Thank you.
3:19 - Your Canyon has its front rotor backwards.
Bruh moment
Trybo Bike Tech duuude, for real?
Tire choice on the gravel bike could change things. A less aggresively knobbly shod tire such as a Specialized Pathfinder or WTB ByWay may have much lower rolling resistance on tarmac and so close the gap to the road bike potentially sufficiently to be able to stay in the peleton...
Great experiment and video Connor! For me personally I would definitely need to change bikes for the cobbles as my poor old bones wouldn't be able to cope with these brutal cobbles!! Lol
Great film Conor. I'd definitely go with your idea of a bike change before Arenberg. Also I don't think you'd need to run the knobblies you had on the canyon. Something like the Panaracer Gravelking in a 38 might be a quicker tyre. Interesting experiment though!
Great efforts! But...
Wrong tires on the gravel bike!
Try some René Herse, e.g. Snowqualmie 700C x 44, extralight or endurance casing, tubeless or brandnew Strada Bianca 36mm tubeless tubulars by Challenge against the Pirellis, Vittorias, Contis, the likes. Optimized lower pressure for the larger tires. THAT would have been actually interesting.
Hi hello, I enjoyed your test. However, you could make another comparison! Road Bike vs Cyclocross Bike! Is it possible that the gap is narrowing?
Thank you for your shows and all the rest too! It's a real pleasure to watch, discover and train with you!
excellent video most enjoyable !
So what this means for people in the real world is, buy a more comfortable bike and select the correct tires because overall speed and time is insignificant unless you're racing or you're a moron.
If you're not racing and just riding it to ride it, seems like the gravel bike is going to be more comfortable and more confident on the cobbles, and perfectly efficient on the road for most cyclists. Would be interesting to test a few more bikes like this. I wonder how the Specialized Roubaix would do, it was literally designed for this and has the suspension in the headset that may make it nearly as fast as the gravel bike on the cobbles (especially with 32c tires), it should still be faster than any gravel bike on pavement. Another interesting bike to test would be the Niner MCR, it is a full suspension gravel bike, I wonder how much faster it would be on the cobbles than a rigid gravel bike, it might not even be much slower on the pavement with the lockout engaged.
Haven’t a lot of riders over the years used cyclocross bikes? I seem to remember Lars Boom sporting some cantilever brakes on his rubaix set up.
The Grail looks to have some fairly serious grip, would have thought slicker but still large ish would be a better compromise ? Could you make any other optimizations on either bike ? Suspension forks have been used (rarely and tech has moved on since ?)
My bike of choice for Roubaix, the BMW GS850.