Slugfest! M&P 45 2.0 vs. Walther PPQ 45
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2018
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I truly appreciate your continued dedication to bringing videos of the “adult caliber”.
Adult caliber? Lol. Why do you .45 guys think you're hot shit when 10mm is considerably more powerful? What about .460 Rowland & 9x25 Dillon? .40 S&W puts out as more power as well in terms of energy-ft/lbs in most loadings
Connor Richardson because you’re hot n heavy over a youtube comment. Chill.
@@eastwalz1238 I'm just tired of the ego & ignorance on display constantly from 45 guys. For being gun guys, you sure know little about handgun calibers.
@@flipgunderson1946 cause 45 won 2 world wars. What's your victory stance?
I love it when you review something I already own so that I don’t have to go buy a new toy! Thanks for this review, I am now a huge Smith & Wesson fan after being issued one for my duty pistol. The S&W 45 is an off-duty favorite. I was pleasantly surprised to hear you say that you liked it better since it is trendy these days to like Walther and CZ. Be safe out there brother!
-OG, the Taufledermaus Channel
I don't often "pick a winner" when I do comparisons, and some folks get really annoyed by that. But I also am not afraid to do so or just say what I think or indicate a preference, etc. Each has attributes that are excellent, and at the end of the day it's mostly subjective. I try to provide a meaningful and fun look. In this case, I do prefer the Smith overall, and have no issue saying so. Thanks for watching, sir. Be safe out there.
dragonslayer 2014
i have a question ----- most 40 cal handguns are snappy on the recoil you stated your has less flip...is it a softer type of recoil i have been look at the 40's
Gary Finnstrom
I know you didn’t ask me, but I have 19 years as a range master on the
.40 pistols. .40 is s higher pressure round. It’s USUALLY more snappy than 9mm and .45 ACP. But if you get a well designed pistol, the recoil won’t bother you a bit. Large pistols shoot softer. Small ultra-compact pistols have a bark to them. I have a Glock 22 and an M&P40 that seem to shoot SOFTER than any compact 9mm. Rent a few at a range before you buy if you can.
You've owned a ppq ?
Really great video. Very well done. Thanks! I really enjoyed this and the comparison/information was so well executed. Great editing too!
That first PPQ shot group was excellent.
i like the ...1. target highlighting-effect during the 10yard shooting. 2. the fast-forward side-view summary scene after the 10yard shooting. Awesome!
Thank you for taking the time to make these videos I am sure it's time consuming and expensive not to mention RUclips is not making it easy love your hard work
M&P definitely appears to have less muzzle flip. Great video!
Love the videos. Always looking forward to the next one!
Thank you...
Thank you Sir..trigger on walther ppq is just so sweet but the Smith did a fine job...Thank You !!
I love my M&P 2.0, only thing I did to it was change the trigger to an Apex flatty. Other than that, I plain love it! Thanks for the amazing comparison
Yep...less muzzle flip using the fence in the background as a reference point..good vid...thanks
I went with the M&P Love ❤️ the grip. First handgun I ever bought that I didn't modify the grips 👍
Great video
i wish s&w had gotten 12 rds in those mags instead of 10 for the .45
The two times the Walter jammed is when the mag should have been two rounds less, due to shoving two extra rounds inside the same size mag of the S&W.
@@naturewatcher64 Seems like it doesn't it? Simple physics. Cars have trouble getting through a bottleneck. So do bullets apparently. If you compare a M&P45 to a G21, yeah...maybe you lose something in place of better ergos. If you compare a M&P45 to a 1911 though...
@@naturewatcher64 i find it hard to believe a mag spring is causing FTEs. Also the ppq mag is noticeably wider.
Fantastic video, loved the slow-motion ejection part!
Another Great upload, I like the M&P, this is just my opinion. Thank you.
Outstanding video. I needed to see this, I was in the market for a PPQ 45 or even considering the FNX 45. I noticed the higher muzzle flip with the PPQ due to the higher bore axis. Thanks for the vid.
David Barbour I have both FNX45 and tactical it’s a amazing weapon. I have the walther. When I carry and conceal is not required it’s always my FNX45. My follow up shots are easy to control. My edc is now a sig p320 x compact with RMR.
PPQ trigger on a M&P would be perfection!
I personally love the .40 S&w over the 9mm and .45acp if ammo prices were all equal.
I have the Apex on mine. Better than PPQ now. M&P Perfection.
Rodger M I've been wanting to install the flatty on my 2.0 compact.. Need to get around to that. Honestly though, I don't hate the stock trigger.
Apex triggers on several of mine.....significant upgrade!
Hi, im new to shooting. could you explain why you prefer the .40? I dont know wich caliber to get (9mm, .40 or .45) and i only have money for one :(
@@Ginkoman2 Any of those calibers are fine for concealed carry/personal protection. There will be a lot of internet commandos who will tell you the 45 or 40 are harder hitting than the 9 (and they should be if loaded properly), but keep in mind all three calibers are somewhat anemic as far as terminal ballistics are concerned when compared to rifle or shotgun ammunition. That is not to say the pistol calibers aren't lethal, just the margin for error is smaller compared to long guns. I carry a 40SW because the ammunition I use has more kinetic energy than any 9MM or 45 Auto ammo I've found, and I don't find the recoil is worse than either 9MM or 45 Auto personal defense loads. I would suggest trying different pistols in different calibers at a range that rents them, and get some professional instruction on how to operate a handgun properly. Pick the caliber/pistol you are most comfortable with and practice, practice, practice.
Very good presentation thank you
I just purchase the first version of the 45 m and p and I already love it best 45 pistol for the money and used
I just recently purchased a S&W MP 2.0 .45 w/FDE and I'm looking forward to shooting it and see how it shoots. I like my FNX 45, nice firearm
I'll have to check one out, I enjoy shooting my shield 45!
great video - thanks.
Great video as always, ordered my M&P 45 today ,thanks to awesome vids like this one. Thanks again Justin! I thought hard about the Walther and it would still be my next choice if somehow things don't work out well for me with the Smith , or maybe I will get the 1911 fever who knows. LOL
M&P all the way. Love the 2.0's
Excellent video! I have both in 9mm. I would love to get both in .45.
The Meprolight night sights designed for the PPQ are So Easy to Install, it's a No Brainer !!
Another excellent SlugFest... Dig the slow-mo of the cases flying at the end...so cool!
Jasper_Quade it says 2 days ago for your comment. RUclips is drunk again
I like the M&P line they have great ergonomics and I have one in the .40s&w however I do not like the high bore axis on the PPQ
I love the intro. No Boating Accident. Not Jack The Ripper. It was a .45. Just so damn cool!
H&K is really the only serious competition to Walther, I swore I'd never own a plastic gun until I handled a Walther PPQ, plus smooth as butter trigger out of the box, unlike Glock. Best ergonomics in the gun industry.
There is not better brand in existence than than Walther. They have the very best triggers & except when they were licensed by S & W, no failures. NUFF SAID.
Cz 75
Lmao polymer is just fine. Why limit your arsenal just because of some weird ego satisfaction?
@@AQS521 It's fine for some people's taste. Some of us like the look and feel of cold, blue steel and wood grips/stocks, plus polymer guns have a lower resale value over stainless, blued, or nickel guns.
Great Video Review Justin!!! Thumbs Up!
The 2 failures with the Walther 45 is concerning. What type of ammo were you using when the Walther had the FTE's ..... If it was left over Freedom Munitions Ammo, we have had 4 or 5 FTE with 9mm in the last 15 or 20 days. The Sig Ammo has been been there to finish up the video, and we were lucky to have enough to finish the VR's in all 3 videos that experienced this. Just wanted to pass that on to you, just in case that is what you were shooting. :) Beretta Sr.
I loved the opening. Both shoot great. I believe the mag is the issue with the walther. A new sight may be in order. However the walther if adjusted in your hold would be awesome. Yes i own a ppq in 9mm. Its a dream just nudged. My sig 226 in accuracy buy a hair. Great video. Keep it up . I will be looking for more of your vids.
Glad to see you using the slide stop it seem to be a lost art these days.and I also break shots early with my PPQ 45 i honestly still prefer the P99 trigger to it.
Hahaha! Love the opening scene! Very very cool.
I know I’m late to the party but I just saw this video for the first time. I had struggled for a while trying to decide between the M&P45 2.0 and the PPQ M2 45. The pandemic helped me make my mind up a couple of weeks ago. I own 3 M&P9s and 1 PPQ 2 9mm. I love them all. Hence my struggle choosing a new 45. How did the pandemic help me decide? Ammo availability. I ended up with some cheap Russian ammo in 9mm. My girls and I were having a shoot around day. I decided to shoot up some of the cheap ammo instead of running through my good stuff. My PPQ 9mm had the exact same issue as the 45 in the video with FTE multiple times. I understand that I was shooting cheap ammo but you weren’t. Not to mention all three M&P that we shot that day had zero issues with the same ammo. We were shooting two different version 1 shields and a 2.0 15 round compact. Again, all three M&Ps ate the ammo with zero issues. I absolutely love the PPQ ergonomics and trigger. I also love my M&P9 2.0. That day of shooting helped me make my decision. You having the same FTE issue with the PPQ 45 while shooting decent ammo solidifies my decision. I still have and love shooting my PPQ but I will carry my M&P.
Where have you found an M&P 45 in stock? I’ve not been able to find one or Glock 21 anywhere at retail. Gunbroker has both but I’ve never dealt with them and I hate the idea of buying a gun from a private seller without being able to lay hands on the gun first - thanks in advance for your info
@@jeffroberts760 I have it on order through a Smith dealer that sells smiths only and is a distributor for LE. Smith has dealers that are confined by contract to selling in a certain geographic areas such as a few states only. Check their website out for one of these dealers in your area. They get priority over typical gun stores. I will say that being a qualified buyer (LE, military, paramedic, etc) helps, but isn’t always necessary.
Edit: The dealer I found is not in the same state I live in, but covers my state as part of their contract with Smith, so they are going to ship it to a local FFL for proper transfer. I hope that helps. Good luck finding something. It’s certainly difficult times for buying firearms.
@@jperry3328 appreciate you sir
My Walter ppq45 has failures with training ammo from S&B and tulammo. Can't figure out yet what the problem is. But it seems like a thing with Walter 45's it appears from the comment section.
Nice guns, wish I had both... love my glock 30sf
I wonder if the PPQ recoil spring isn't a little too light.
Really easy to rack the slide, but might contribute to that muzzle flip and FTE?
Nice vid (timeless). I love my S&W revolvers and love my PPQ 9mm.
I will add a 45 to the mix and know that I would be completely happy with either of these, but I will probably choose the S&W for literally no other reason than my desire for variety.
My muscle memory quickly adjusted to to the high bore axis of the PPQ and man, that crisp trigger is a joy.
I wouldn't mind saving a few bucks if possible with the S&W and I intend to wait until the current COVID/President craziness ends and prices return to whatever normal will be. I'm in no hurry.
Bought a m&p 45, 2 weeks ago. I love it!! Have a S&W Equalizer, awesome gun, and S&W 9mm carbine, my AR15 is a M&P.
Love the video and the reviews and the shirt looks very comfortable and good for the hot weather at the range what brand is it.
Go watch Hickok45 shoot the PPQ. He says the only negative to the gun is it’s really hard to “MISS” with it.
Damn good shootin with the Smith.
I own the PPQ 45 and have put 600 rounds of my reloads through it. Never had any issues with feeding, etc. with the gun.
Bob Hartman same here. No problems with my PPQ 45 either.
Me too.
1300-1400 rds.
Bulk, Rem grn/wht, Win wht bx, PPU, Underwood
Anywhere 185 gn-230grn
No hick ups, ever.
Me too.
1300-1400 rds.
Bulk, Rem grn/wht, Win wht bx, PPU, Underwood
Anywhere 185 gn-230grn
No hick ups, ever.
Same here with about 300 rds
@@PaulSter Two years ago I only had 600 rounds through my PPQ 45, but since then I've about 4000 rounds through it. Walther's barrel hasn't shown much wear at all.
M/P has the best advantage with 90” of people it’s the price tag!! And American made 🇺🇸 They in my opinion have always stood for quality and have a few to back them up!!
Wow, J.O. Realign your sights for your drift. You seem to be a good shooter. Readjust the sights for your drift & you will be called MR. Bulls Eye With that PPQ!!
for carry use the 10 round mag not outlining
then as backup mags carry the 14 rounders
i do that with my xd use the less round mag and two higher mags as backup works well
I wish Walther made the PDP IN 45 with the longer barrel.
Failure to extract may be attributed to either ammo or magazine.
M&P definitely looks to be the flatter shooting gun. I love the 2.0 trigger. I know the Walther is generally considered to have a better trigger, but I'll take the 2.0 all day long. Both my 9 and 45 have been flawless. Can't ask for more than that
Much tighter group with the PPQ, case closed!
Would be nice to see you compare it with the Baretta PX 45. Talk about no muzzle flip.
Everyone has to consider that the market is so tight right now, that even the loser is a winner. They are that close. So close, that it is really up to preference. You can get technical and say the Walther is the better gun but both are really awesome. This is coming from a Walther nut. I will have to say that I will be buying a PPQ 45. Only because I already have a few Walthers and it will fit right in next to my Walther PPQ Navy SD. I do plan on owning some S&W firearms though. The M&P line of guns are a very good choice.
I know this is quite old but I’d say the FN 545 is the perfect 45 and the capacity is incredible
Had the same extraction problem on my Walther .22
I'm a new subscriber and see you like .45 acp have you shot the Sarsilmaz K2 .45 ? I read an article about it in Cheaper than dirt news and bought one and was impressed its all metal construction is heavy but the weight and CZ style low bore axis makes for great recoil management
Considerably less flip on the m&p,2 less rounds I'll still go m&p loved my 9c
I'll take the S&W over the Walther. However, in all fairness, I'll be dropping in an APEX flat faced trigger kit. I'd get some meprolight sights and call it good for a woods gun shooting Underwood ammo Lehigh Defense Extreme Penetrators in 45 ACP. Great job as usual sir!
Justin did you ever figure out the problem with the ejection issue's with the PPQ????
Have you or any of your sphere of influence handled the new M&P 45 Compact? If so, is it just a short barreled full size? Or did S&W shorten the grip also? Thanks.
I've not yet had the pleasure of handling the 45 Compact. Would love to though.
Hello Justin....Even though the the Walther has the slight advantage of 2 more rounds, I like the S&W model more. I am not a fan of any of the Walther weapons at all. Nothing against them or Glocks for that matter. Thank you for this video.
Great video, but I'm confused about which one you liked better at the end. Personally, I was leaning towards the S&W but I am not sure which one you ultimately liked the most.
I guess that means I did my job - I try not to be obviously in favor of one over another in most cases. My objective is to provide realistic information, along with my subjective opinions about each gun and let the viewer decide which might be more to their liking. In this case, I will confess that I prefer the M&P.
Great very informative video
I just bought PPQ m2 45, gonna come to my local academy store next week. A bit confused at the description on their website, it says that the mag capacity is 10 rounds. Meanwhile everywhere else I looked, including waltherarms site, states that it has 12 round magazine.
They probably have Cali compliant mags with it. Just buy the 12 rounders, and you're good to go.
Would love to see same comparison with a Beretta PX-4 Storm .45 against the Smith 2.0 .45. And also with the compact versions of both, in the same video, or another video. I don't know what goes into making one of these video's.
Try the Springfield XDM .45 Tactical with threaded barrel, its a tack driver that holds 13 rounds.
I've been wanting to, for ages. Just never has found it's way into my possession. But never say never!
So is my G21.
I would love to see the Glock 21 put into this big battle mix!!
New to your channel Sir.Nice review video👍🤙.Carry on the good work.Stay safe and God Bless🙏🙏🙏.
Thanks and welcome
Love my Walther PPQ 45! Dead on straight out of the box. However, I have had failure to eject, but I just figured it was my reloaded ammo. I reload everything I shoot.
I'm considering buying a used ppq because the price is right. Is there anything aftermarket to install so that is has less muzzle flip?
@@xfilecity yep. Install a light, and a stainless guide rod. Also you could get an extended threaded barrel and put a comp on it.
4 days left until I pick up my m&p45. Can't wait. Now to find some ammo. On another note, what ear protection is he wearing, anybody know?
NIce! Where do you buy those orange stickers? I like.
Love the ejection part..
On the real this is a self defense gun all yall in the comments keep talking about more rounds the average gun fight is 5-8 rounds people. If it gets more hectic then that get the rifle!!! A handgun is not a rwol or shtf go to weapon its a rifle!! As long as you stay calm and breath that gun fight GOD forbid wont last as long. That smitty will eat any ammo hands down. I had a few smitties they don't die. And that walther has to much recoil to be a 45. I own a couple 45s that don't jump like that. But its probably managable. I like the smitty.
Great video, and your getting much better in the dual shooting. Little more practice and you can compete with Jerry M....lol
Luv that 45 !!! 👍
That extra 2 rounds in the magazine could cause feeding problems with the magazine spring?
Doesn't with mine.
Nice intro lol! You needed a chalkboard to scratch your nails on.
I've had a PPQ 45 for almost 3 years. Guessing around 600 rounds, I love it but the trigger pull could be shorter. I'm still not used to it. I've carried a colt 1911 for 19 years, seems it got heavier every year.
Is it possible to shorten the trigger pull on the PPQ ?
I don't own a PPQ but have dry fired several in gun shops. I always noticed they have a very long initial trigger take-up, even compared to my Glock or Springfield XD. Very few of these gun videos ever mention that though.
I wish the m&p line would bring out a 10mm. I've been looking at .45's and love my 2.0s but my heart is screaming 10mm over .45. Probably going to suck it up and buy a glock in 10mm.
While recently shopping and deciding between a Sig P320, S&W M&P or a PPQ in 45acp, a Springfield XDm-10 4.5 caught my attention and I came home with my first 10mm. The XDm carries 15+1 with more fire power than a 45 and, so far, it's been flawless. The only problem is that finding affordable 10mm ammo for it is like 22LR was a couple years ago, and I'll have to resort to mail order. If/when Sig makes a P320 10mm I'll be in the front of the line.
@@sigfan574 10mm is easy to find my area at least and I live in rural Maine. Of course, you can always order online as well. I'd recommend Sig Sauer 180gr ball for range ammo. It isn't the cheapest but it's not watered down & it's the same power level as their 10mm V-Crown JHP's. Once you start buying cheap 10mm you're getting .40s&w ballistics. If it's a defensive gun, you should train for the same recoil impulse as your carry ammo.
Sally Box The Glock 10mm is all that’s keeping the 10mm alive (which is good) not many manufacturers make 10mm pistols
Give S&W some time; mark my word on this, the 10mm S&W is in the making, and could be introduced at the next big gun show!
@@SoccerVJ2011 You are correct, however, the XDm 10mm is becoming more popular and people that shoot it end up giving up their G20s. The XDm 10mm can fire any ammo without problems, while the Glock 10mm tend to have issues with hard cast ammo.
I am doing research on my next purchase (a .45). I have a S&W M&P 2.0 in 9mm and a M&P shield 2.0 in 9mm as my soon to be CC. My brother in law has a Glock 17 gen 4. He shot my M&P 9mm one full clip 15 rounds and wants one like yesterday. I am not trying to troll or start a S&W vs Glock war. Would you be able to do a comparison between the two? Love the video. Thanks for your time.
I wonder if the more pronounced muzzle flip might have attributed to the FTE?
Probably seems like a crazy question but would you consider doing a series on the Remington RP45? I mean, what if it actually worked!
While I'd love to accommodate your request, I purchase most of the guns you see in my videos. I can't currently imagine ever thinking "I'll buy a Remington". I'd rather put my money in a slot machine.
Late comment SW m&p reasonable price and accessory availability make it more attractive and from my own experience they will devour any ammo so with ergonomics stock and price. I would go with m&p
So everyone's hands are shaped differently from person to person along with shooting skill level. That being said I prefer the Walter PPQ M2 9mm which I own along with the PPS M2 9mm walthers sub compact. Ive never had a f.t.e. I ve shot an older model M&P 9mm and disliked the trigger. My trigger finger doesn't like the curved shape. As i was aiming at my target and squeezing the trigger my finger would slide down the trigger which then caused me to lose concentration on my sight picture. Personally for me again not everbody that was a Major no go. I was an expert marksman with the M-16 in the Army. One of the practice exercises we did to learn proper/controlled trigger squeeze was to place a penny on top of the barrel past the front sight and dry fire the weapon. If you had proper squeeze on the trigger the penny would remain on top of the barrel. Any slight deviation from placing the trigger not on the pad of the finger but on the joint penny falls, jerking the trigger obviously penny falls. Anyways learning proper trigger squeeze, proper breathing, sight picture etc. Helped me to make Expert qual. Bottom line with handguns try to shoot a few different manufacturers models by either renting them or having a friend who owns what your interested in letting you shoot theirs.
What brand of holster did you get for the ppq?
Multi Holsters
Where did you find the MSRP for the Walther?
For the price index, and reliability, I'd rather get a highpoint
Interesting point with the magazines. Based on your video, I fail to understand how the Walther magazine can hold 2 more rounds??
Can you get threaded barrels for either of these? I want a suppressed 45 but not willing to pay out the a$$ for a FNX Tac.
Charles Soto Walther sells a version with a threaded barrel.
So does S&W.
I put tru Glo sights on mine
Waiting for a PDP in 45
M&P over PPQ? GOOD HEAVENS A YALE MAN!
LOL
PPQ looks like it was made by aliens. M&P 45 looks to be more accurate and reliable vs PPQ and p320. Having extra rounds is great until your gun jams. I always enjoy your reviews and your sense of humor! Thank you!
Are the barrels the same? Walther has a 4.250 looks like m&p may be 5 not sure ,but I do know the ppq love that trigger.
4.6" on the M&P (Google is your friend)
S&W all day, every day for me.
Although both of these are great pistols they still don't quite beat the Glock 21 I'm not a Glock fan boy but dam that G21 gen 4 is good it feels just like a 9mm and holds 13 rounds but I will say that the m&p and Walther looks better
cool pistol
@ 7:00, I must guess that your Walther was manufactured by S&W.
I would like to see what if anything you are hitting in rapid fire!
I'm pretty sure the Smith is 30.1 ounces. Unlike most companies, S&W prints their weight without the empty magazine so you have to add the weights together. How do you gun reviewers miss this?
Will you do a Slugfest video between a Walther PPQ .45 and a Magnum Research Baby Eagle 3 .45? I have the Baby Eagle and I want it compared to the likes of a high end Walther.
All I know is I have 4 smiths 2 shields in 9mm a 45 and a 10 mm . They all been flawless
06:51 not exactly a glowing testament to the PPQ here...
I've never had a jam on mine ever
TheGhost PPQ M2 45. 5k rounds all types of ammo. best ever
@TheGhost walther ppq 45
Well, every gun is different even if it's the same model. It's manufacturing so just like any other man-made product, there will be variances
@@flipgunderson1946 as can be said for magazines.