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Given what we've just recently seen in the new (at least at the time of writing this) Star Trek: Picard show where people on Earth are walking through some sort of teleport gateways to arrive at a location, I wouldn't be at all surprised if something like this is in operation onboard the J.
I Imagen the bridges are independent star ships moveing around the interer. Joined to the ship by the discovery's protomater interface. Ship insides probably look like viger, ship saposedly to the same size scale. So the old viger footage from the original show could be reused. Only a enterprises discover, or vengeance saucer section is hovering in, and on a pool of protomater interface instead of the viger/ voyager model. Posibly with several human, with the sensore on the next. That spock mind melded with.
A "mobile starbase" that is FLAT as a pancake and incorrectly sized in STO as well. For a "mobile starbase", it sure is small. My Vengeance class and Chrono Dreadnought ship are helluva lot thicker than the Universe class. There are a lot of people bragging about owning it in the game. There's also a lot of us that hate it as well. It's badly designed in a visual aspect. The windows are too large, etc. I once parked my T6 Oddy on top of it and even did a size comparison - Cryptic screwed up by making the ship small and not 1/1. I can understand a little why they did it - a ship that huge would dwarf Earth Spacedock and make it look puny. It's also slow as fuck.
The way I like to put it is that the Enterprise-J is "ALMOST a great design." The general shape and proportions are really good, especially considering how big the darn thing is supposed to be. But you can tell that it was a rush-job slapped together for a single episode on short notice. I'm sure that if given some more time, Drexler could have refined the design into something really amazing. I know because I've seen versions tweaked by fans that look really, REALLY good.
The front was fine but the Enterprises ass was the problem. The back just looked so weak and off. As if it was going to break off and fly away in space like an antenna in a hurricane.
Smoother transition from pylons to nacelles would've looked a bit better. As it is, it's an oddly clunky yet sleek ship. Definitely screams "I'm futuristic!" and obviously inspired by "The Jetsons".
If the gravity flooring ran radially (by radius) rather than vertically through the saucer then the windows would be on the walls rather than the ceiling. With artificial gravity you can run the floor any way you want.
@strontiumXnitrate thanks for taking the time to reply, it's given me something to think about. I'm thinking of 2001,where Dave is running around the inside of the vessel, but this is really the interior of the rim, gravity achieved through rotation... if I remember correctly.
@@thoughtfortheday7811 Think of the disk like a slice of onion. The inside of each onion layer is a floor. So the bottom floor is rim of the disk, and the top floor is the center of the disk.
I imagine that the J would be similar to the advanced shuttle the Enterprise found that was larger on the inside than the outside. It would have a strange look to it, and wouldnt make much sense to people 500 years in the past. Nothing 500 years in the future can look comparable to the day's current technology. It would be 'alien' for sure...even magical!
That time capsule in ENT was from like the 31st century or something, the enterprise J is from the 26th. It wouldn't be alien or magical to current star fleet at all, it would be like Scotty walking around the enterprise D. The Relativity was from the 29th century (built 300+ years after the enterprise J) and wasn't alien or magical to 7 or Janeway. Not just using star fleet ships as examples we have come across alien ships hundreds sometimes thousands of years more advanced the stuff current star fleet had and it didn't seem magical. I honestly don't think anything would be surprising to star fleet at this point. They have encountered god like beings like Kevin and Q and advanced alien races like the Voth who are thousands of years more advanced then they are. We're not talking about cave men here.
Maybe an unpopular opinion but I really like the J. Its spindly pylons help to convey the enormous size of its saucer, and hint at the advanced technology that holds the ship together (one of the things I've always loved about Star Trek star ships is that they've always looked like they could only exist in zero-G and with advanced materials), and its size fits with the idea of a ship that would be exploring and colonizing other galaxies (its nacelles are actually longer than the total length of any other enterprise). It's supposed to be unusual and almost unbelievable because it's from the far future, and it does a great job of that.
Would be awesome to have a new proper Star Trek series set in the far future on the Enterprise J. Lets get to know a new crew. Lets inspire a new generation. Surely people can still come up with ideas for future technology. Just look at all the things that have come true or are closer to come true from Star Trek TOS and TNG.
Matt Eskandari Good Idea , they would be really smart and have giant eyes and heads The only reason Roddenberry didn't place the Original ST like 600 years in the future was he wanted the audience to still relate to them as Humans from our time period. But still be set in the 23rd Century. 👽
From what was revealed about future tech in Star Trek Enterprise, the ship must have a massive amount of room located in subspace, self-repairing armor, energy deflecting/absorbing structures, phasing cloak, and a transwarp drive. Who knows how powerful it's weapons systems are.
In the original series, the warp core took up most of the engineering section. They also meet a group of extra-galactic travelers that wanted to use the Enterprise to get back home to their home galaxy. During that show, after most of the crew were turned into cubes that could be turned back into living crewmen when needed, they , in their attempt to get Kirk and his command staff to cooperate with them, showed Scotty plans for a warp core the size of a walnut. Obviously, the technology for Starfleet to actually do that did not exist but they did have the plans and 80 years later their warp cores were much smaller and more efficient which left far more room for crew, supplies, and whatever they needed for 15 year long voyages. So, after several hundred years, the fact that the engineering section and warp nacells would be made much smaller and the fact that they can power far bigger ships should be no surprise. That being said, as someone who fell in love with the original series Enterprise, I do think the Enterprise J looks weird and misshapen.
What if, on the saucer section, gravity is arranged either pointing towards, or away from the edge of the saucer? That would mean that the windows are not on the ceiling, but on the wall, with the corridors floors curving along with the curve of the saucer. Similar to the layers of an onion slice.
Wow I didn't know it was supposed to be nearly 2 miles long. Also did you notice the rocks on the last episode of Discovery? I've never seen that amount of rocks from a starship in any Trek episode to date! It's like they chiseled those ships out of boulders.
@Jason Lee Trater same reason they install plastic explosives behind the consoles if the bridge officer doing his or her duty badly they get thrown accross room. I'd they survive they know to perform better in future if they do die o well get ensign expendable up here
an in-universe explanation could be that many starfleet ships contain a lot of ceramic composite materials that just happen to shatter in rock shaped pieces...
I'm not sure about that model, but I do like the J. It should also be mentioned that the saucer is elongated across its width (at least as far as the model design goes), as previously seen with the D.
Never seen that animated series concept before... I actually kinda hate it. It’s way too blocky. Like, a Minecraft Enterprise, or something. But, I’m glad you included it here, as I’m always fascinated to see alternate concepts and designs that didn’t make the cut, for whatever reason.
I think I liked the drawing of the more chunky version of it. (Not the square cake-sheet version that was rendered.) It looked like an old freighter, something that could really take a beating in a fight.
A few years after the cancellation, they did come out with this more refined version of the concept, not sure why it wasn't in the video. www.startrekff.com/gallery/enterprise-concept-two/
While not my favorite design, I think it has its place in the universe of the super-sleek and super-futuristic aesthetic of the 26th century. I can appreciate it.
The ships of the line remodel looks like a demented version of the already demented USS Discovery. Also praise jebus that animated series was scrapped the ship looked like a lego kit!
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No, because if there is glass there, then there can't be artificial gravity plating along the "floor" where the glass is. I believe the crew are actually walking sideways along the circumference of the saucer section. Due to the gravity plating being places along the side of the saucer section.
@@RuddsReels - considering the ship, the technology will be so advanced it can be probably anything you want, transparent gravity plating/gravity generation from a non immediate source etc. The J is truly beyond the "so advanced indistinguishable from magic" point
Doug Drexler designed this ship, i think he referred to it as generational ship. Which is why it is so large, one that maybe flies between Galaxies. The saucer and nacelles may look very thin, but keep in mind how large this thing is, this is probably a hundred decks or so stacked on top of each other. This thing is as high as a skyscraper and has the diameter of a large city. The turbolift rides in this ship must take forever, they probably have lots of internal Transporters to get people from A to B efficiently.
Great job - the stills from the animated "Final Frontier" were very interesting; though I liked the designs, I wouldn't want them to represent a Star Fleet vessel, except for maybe a freighter or a very early design.
The windows wouldn't necessarily have to be on the ceiling or floor. They could be doing something funky with the artificial gravity so that the decks are arranged with the floors perpendicular to the windows.
ZygmaExperiment Explain in detail why the J is Ridiculous ? Don't make a bold statement and not back it up dude. Are you creative in any way ? I have the distinct impression you know nothing about Starship design.
@@Ryukuro - I never really liked the star/super star destroyers. Nor was I thrilled with Nemo's 6-mile long ship in the reboot ST movie. Ships that huge are not practical and cause me to have to REALLY suspend believability past what I already have to. Like I wrote, my opinion.
If the saucer section is over a mile wide, then the registry would be something like 347 feet wide, which would cover 22% of the Enterprise D's saucer section.
It's amazing how the Enterprise J took a whole life of its own with just a sensor illustration on a wall, but I really would love to see this ship in action⭐
Finally got around to watching this! The J is actually one of my favourite Enterprise designs, in part because it looks to ridiculous to be anything but a far future ship. After watching the video, I have a couple of thoughts on the J's design: 1. It's more pronounced on the model, but even on the renders, the windows look almost distorted, which to me implies a kind of warp field around the ship -- maybe as an advanced development of the warp bubble, maybe as a form of shielding that redirects incoming fire around the ship. 2. I know loads of people have suggested the J's big windows could be in the walls if the ship had its artificial gravity flipped sideways from the norm on Federation ships, which is a possibility, but I also think that given the sheer size of the vessel, these could be windows for huge communal spaces, like sections of a starbase, or some kind of park / hyrdoponics section (I know this thing's bound to have super-advanced replicators, but even so they might want some form of backup in case of malfunctions). 3. If you remove the saucer, the hull looks a lot like a very sleek, Federation-ised Klingon battlecruiser. The bow section with the replicator is like the hammerhead on most Klingon capital ships, while the mouth-like deflector, long thin neck and flared out, wing-shaped engineering section are all reminiscent of the D7 / Ktinga. Since this thing canonically has Xindi crewmembers, I think that Klingon involvement in its design really isn't that far fetched, especially since this is a far future ship. This Enterprise might, indirectly, owe a lot to Ambassador Worf for being what it is. 4. Further to the idea of removing its saucer, there doesn't seem to be an easy way to separate it from the hull (it could go sideways, but that'd be super awkward due to the sheer size of the thing and the deflector section seems to curve round enough to get in the way). The Federation had a mostly functional Phase Cloak around the TNG era, so with centuries to advance the technology and potentially Romulan reuinion with the Vulcans (thus producing Federation Romulans), this is how I imagine the saucer escaping. The big J gets into a nasty fight and doesn't want to risk its non-combat crew in the saucer? Saucer cloaks, phases through the ship and gets the heck out of dodge while the Battlecruiser-style hull goes to town on the bad guys. You mentioned the NX class a lot, but the J also really reminds me of the Enterprise D, which brings to mind the possibility of similar features. 5. The sheer size of this ship seems totally unnecessary to me, even if it is the future, unless it's not on ordinary starship missions. If the J were intended to explore other galaxies, or otherwise act as a colony ship with its own ready-made starbase (that huge saucer), then its size would be justified, but for missions like we see the other Enterprises undergoing, it is just beautiful levels of overkill -- unless, of course, everyone's trying to one-up the other with absurdly huge starships.
I always envisioned the Enterprise J as something the size of an average continent. Each side of the saucer section could dock two ships each, roughly the size of Enterprise E. From the main bridge back to the nacells, there would be staggered bays housing advanced Runabouts, Defiant class ships, and almost one thousand stingers.... small overpowered combat ships. Very maneuverable, and very hard to target. The saucer section is still detachable. The primary haul slows to 1/4 impulse while the docking clamps release. The saucer section stays ion place while thrusters push off the main haul. As for the main haul, there are three options for propulsion; impulse, warp, and slipstream. Impulse we all know. Warp is for when you have to cover a long distance in a short amount of time. Slipstream is for when you have to get there now! Like, right now! It's powered by the engine, appearing as a dome of light between the nacells on the main haul. It sucks up power quickly, so it's used in only the most extreme emergencies.
What part of the Enterprise J was Daniel and CPT Archer standing at? Based on the location they were standing, this would have to be beneath the saucer section and off to the right of the center, but there is no angle like that according to the model. Thanks.
I wonder if we will ever see a ship that is just saucer section? Kind of the like the D's. But with warp nacelles and drive section integrated into the saucer.
Can anyone tell me what that large oval shape in the centre of the saucer section actually is? I'd guess at hydroponics - or a dolpinarium - but has it ever been explained?
Hang on, the Enterprise F, the Odyssey class is only a little bit in the future post Nemesis (it implements Voyager's slipstream innovations, well except for the armour generator). So that's only the G, H and I until the 31st century? Must have a lot of effective refits…
I remember something odd about the design when I saw this episode. The flat vertical window that Archer is looking out of doesn't seem like it fits anywhere on the how the ship is designed. The viewpoint and position seem wrong. I think the production team just needed a quick corridor redress and just didn't have any communication with how the visuals would be made.
You know I was about to call the J "Hammerhead Enterprise" but then you showed the concept from that never to be Animated Show and god damn that’s Hammerhead.
I thought the eliptical form of the saucer was a direct result of the angle of perspective we were given in the only shot we see of the ship. Because it was from a slanted, isometrical perspective, I always assumed that the saucer was as round as the previous versions.
I like the design. The scale and possible technology it may have is very intriguing. As stated by the ship's designer, Doug Drexler, the Enterprise J is a _"multi-generational"_ vessel and would have _"large parks, entertainment zones, and entire universities on board. The ship is so large that turbolifts would be replaced with site to site transporters... You might even have freeways on the ship, where you can drive a car from one end to another."_ So, really, those huge windows we see on the hull would be more like sky windows for some massive open area inside the ship. Also, it's not just basic warp propulsion the ship is using, _"They can fold space, and they are exploring other galaxies besides the Milky Way,"_ I have no problem with the nacelle struts being that thin. Again, this ship is huge, so, the struts really are not as thin as they seem. More importantly, this is centuries into the future. We have no idea what kind of super advanced materials the hull is made out of. They may look fragile, but, the hull could be hundreds of times stronger than anything used in the past
I think I remember some video explaining that the hull was trasnlucent or something. Like a energy field or some type of shield covers the entire saucer section and the so called windows are not windows but were something else. I dunno it was awhile ago.
Since the windows are in the top and bottom, I've always wondered if the rooms inside are sideways, with the floor curving around the centre of the saucer.
As far as I had read, the -J was supposed to be able to travel around the Universe as quick as (say) the -D travels around the Galaxy. That's why it's so large. They don't need to stop at starbases. They *are* a starbase.
Because of its shape, any way you look at it except from the direct front or top makes the ships nacelles seem asymmetrical. Its an optical illusion for sure. When I saw it displayed on the wall in Enterprise during the episode I was like "why is it bent awkwardly?" but it wasn't, it just looked like it was.
i bet the glass is not on the ceiling, i bet rooms are dimensional shifted so when you walk into them they're in front of you but you actually go up from the main hallways or down. so it looks like your entering a room with windows in front of you and not above you.
From what I remember of the Enterprise series didn't they have "TARDIS" tech with ships capable of being larger on the inside? Might account for the thin saucer section and window placement when in fact it could be many, many decks as well as running longitudinally rather than vertically perhaps.
You know, having as thin a design as that along the axis makes sense from a tactical perspective. In battle you want to keep as little of a cross-section exposed as possible for the purpose of making yourself difficult to hit, and to detect. Admittedly the sheer size may somewhat negate this idea but it is still valid
I look forward to it's follow up, the USS Enterprise Silent Bob.
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Wanna know why you haven't seen much of J. It's been in rehab.
In its mission to smoke some weed, drink some beers...
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@@lasarith2 It too gets thinner over time.
THE USS PIZZA CUTTER. ITS FIVE YEAR MISSION TO EXPLORE AND CUT ALL UNKNOWN PIAZZAS
Ese Callum pizza not piazza. Piazza roughly translates to plaza. Capice?
indeed bud discovery look more pizza cutter i like the enterprise j
Naw.... Discovery is pure pizza cutter... you can still see some pizza debris on the edges if you look closely
It is so uglyZ
@@rollewestbom U S S Piazza Cutter
I remember reading in some obscure source book that the thing uses a network of teleporters instead of turbolifts due to its sheer size.
It was mentioned in a Trekyards interview with Drexler.
@@kc0itf Was Drexler the one who wrote the book?
Given what we've just recently seen in the new (at least at the time of writing this) Star Trek: Picard show where people on Earth are walking through some sort of teleport gateways to arrive at a location, I wouldn't be at all surprised if something like this is in operation onboard the J.
I Imagen the bridges are independent star ships moveing around the interer. Joined to the ship by the discovery's protomater interface. Ship insides probably look like viger, ship saposedly to the same size scale. So the old viger footage from the original show could be reused. Only a enterprises discover, or vengeance saucer section is hovering in, and on a pool of protomater interface instead of the viger/ voyager model. Posibly with several human, with the sensore on the next. That spock mind melded with.
@@Alan1701b yeah, it's like the trending thing during their period
In Star Trek Online, this ship is described as a "mobile starbase."
A "mobile starbase" that is FLAT as a pancake and incorrectly sized in STO as well. For a "mobile starbase", it sure is small. My Vengeance class and Chrono Dreadnought ship are helluva lot thicker than the Universe class. There are a lot of people bragging about owning it in the game. There's also a lot of us that hate it as well. It's badly designed in a visual aspect. The windows are too large, etc. I once parked my T6 Oddy on top of it and even did a size comparison - Cryptic screwed up by making the ship small and not 1/1. I can understand a little why they did it - a ship that huge would dwarf Earth Spacedock and make it look puny.
It's also slow as fuck.
@@obsidiansands Its nowhere near big enough to "dwarf" Earth Space Dock, its not even as large as the widest part, the "Mushroom" top part.
Andy Wilderness I think Spacedock is 7 miles long by 2or 3 wide. (I forgot been quite some time since I read about it)
The ugliest ship in game IMHO
@@Tuberuser187 It's supposed to be 2 miles long.
The way I like to put it is that the Enterprise-J is "ALMOST a great design." The general shape and proportions are really good, especially considering how big the darn thing is supposed to be. But you can tell that it was a rush-job slapped together for a single episode on short notice. I'm sure that if given some more time, Drexler could have refined the design into something really amazing. I know because I've seen versions tweaked by fans that look really, REALLY good.
Agreed. I'd like to see Drexler refine this concept. Even if just for fun.
The front was fine but the Enterprises ass was the problem. The back just looked so weak and off. As if it was going to break off and fly away in space like an antenna in a hurricane.
You know how fans could really do some awesome designs
Smoother transition from pylons to nacelles would've looked a bit better. As it is, it's an oddly clunky yet sleek ship. Definitely screams "I'm futuristic!" and obviously inspired by "The Jetsons".
If the gravity flooring ran radially (by radius) rather than vertically through the saucer then the windows would be on the walls rather than the ceiling. With artificial gravity you can run the floor any way you want.
I don't understand that thinking, could you please briefly clarify? Thanks.
@strontiumXnitrate thanks for taking the time to reply, it's given me something to think about.
I'm thinking of 2001,where Dave is running around the inside of the vessel, but this is really the interior of the rim, gravity achieved through rotation... if I remember correctly.
@@thoughtfortheday7811 Think of the disk like a slice of onion. The inside of each onion layer is a floor. So the bottom floor is rim of the disk, and the top floor is the center of the disk.
@@kimwelch4652 Thanks, more visual thinking, which I like.
I was thinking the same thing while watching! I think that would be an awesome concept tbh.
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I imagine that the J would be similar to the advanced shuttle the Enterprise found that was larger on the inside than the outside. It would have a strange look to it, and wouldnt make much sense to people 500 years in the past. Nothing 500 years in the future can look comparable to the day's current technology.
It would be 'alien' for sure...even magical!
I thought most of the schematics and outside don't line up anyhow, so who says it's not concurrent tech? 😁
That time capsule in ENT was from like the 31st century or something, the enterprise J is from the 26th. It wouldn't be alien or magical to current star fleet at all, it would be like Scotty walking around the enterprise D. The Relativity was from the 29th century (built 300+ years after the enterprise J) and wasn't alien or magical to 7 or Janeway. Not just using star fleet ships as examples we have come across alien ships hundreds sometimes thousands of years more advanced the stuff current star fleet had and it didn't seem magical.
I honestly don't think anything would be surprising to star fleet at this point. They have encountered god like beings like Kevin and Q and advanced alien races like the Voth who are thousands of years more advanced then they are.
We're not talking about cave men here.
Maybe an unpopular opinion but I really like the J. Its spindly pylons help to convey the enormous size of its saucer, and hint at the advanced technology that holds the ship together (one of the things I've always loved about Star Trek star ships is that they've always looked like they could only exist in zero-G and with advanced materials), and its size fits with the idea of a ship that would be exploring and colonizing other galaxies (its nacelles are actually longer than the total length of any other enterprise). It's supposed to be unusual and almost unbelievable because it's from the far future, and it does a great job of that.
Would be awesome to have a new proper Star Trek series set in the far future on the Enterprise J. Lets get to know a new crew. Lets inspire a new generation. Surely people can still come up with ideas for future technology. Just look at all the things that have come true or are closer to come true from Star Trek TOS and TNG.
RMJ1984 Agreed !
I am currently building a 3 foot model of the J using all source material, and it'll be lit with fiber optics.
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Matt Eskandari Good Idea , they would be really smart and have giant eyes and heads
The only reason Roddenberry didn't place the Original ST like 600 years in the future was he wanted the audience to still relate to them as Humans from our time period.
But still be set in the 23rd Century.
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From what was revealed about future tech in Star Trek Enterprise, the ship must have a massive amount of room located in subspace, self-repairing armor, energy deflecting/absorbing structures, phasing cloak, and a transwarp drive. Who knows how powerful it's weapons systems are.
In the original series, the warp core took up most of the engineering section. They also meet a group of extra-galactic travelers that wanted to use the Enterprise to get back home to their home galaxy. During that show, after most of the crew were turned into cubes that could be turned back into living crewmen when needed, they , in their attempt to get Kirk and his command staff to cooperate with them, showed Scotty plans for a warp core the size of a walnut.
Obviously, the technology for Starfleet to actually do that did not exist but they did have the plans and 80 years later their warp cores were much smaller and more efficient which left far more room for crew, supplies, and whatever they needed for 15 year long voyages.
So, after several hundred years, the fact that the engineering section and warp nacells would be made much smaller and the fact that they can power far bigger ships should be no surprise.
That being said, as someone who fell in love with the original series Enterprise, I do think the Enterprise J looks weird and misshapen.
What if, on the saucer section, gravity is arranged either pointing towards, or away from the edge of the saucer? That would mean that the windows are not on the ceiling, but on the wall, with the corridors floors curving along with the curve of the saucer. Similar to the layers of an onion slice.
So the crew would be constantly walking up hill D:
@@Kanthannic no, like the earth is round and are you constantly walking uphill?
Like on the space station from 2001. Maybe.
@@steamcastle Lol that's just wrong
@@Kanthannic did someone say LEG DAY EVERY DAY ALL DAY
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Wow I didn't know it was supposed to be nearly 2 miles long. Also did you notice the rocks on the last episode of Discovery? I've never seen that amount of rocks from a starship in any Trek episode to date! It's like they chiseled those ships out of boulders.
@Jason Lee Trater same reason they install plastic explosives behind the consoles if the bridge officer doing his or her duty badly they get thrown accross room. I'd they survive they know to perform better in future if they do die o well get ensign expendable up here
Backstage info: Before being outfitted with the spore drive, the Discovery served as a coal barge.
an in-universe explanation could be that many starfleet ships contain a lot of ceramic composite materials that just happen to shatter in rock shaped pieces...
your washing machine has rocks on the drum.. concrete tobalance it
I'm from the future
_Which_ last episode of Discovery?
I think the guys name is supposed to be pronounced Tecumseh, like the Shawnee warrior. ti-kum-seh
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I'm not sure about that model, but I do like the J. It should also be mentioned that the saucer is elongated across its width (at least as far as the model design goes), as previously seen with the D.
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The saucer section can also rotate at 33 revolutions per minute, there's a stylus in the secondary hull.
Never seen that animated series concept before... I actually kinda hate it. It’s way too blocky. Like, a Minecraft Enterprise, or something. But, I’m glad you included it here, as I’m always fascinated to see alternate concepts and designs that didn’t make the cut, for whatever reason.
I think I liked the drawing of the more chunky version of it. (Not the square cake-sheet version that was rendered.) It looked like an old freighter, something that could really take a beating in a fight.
Michael Dougherty That’s true!
A few years after the cancellation, they did come out with this more refined version of the concept, not sure why it wasn't in the video. www.startrekff.com/gallery/enterprise-concept-two/
While not my favorite design, I think it has its place in the universe of the super-sleek and super-futuristic aesthetic of the 26th century. I can appreciate it.
The ships of the line remodel looks like a demented version of the already demented USS Discovery. Also praise jebus that animated series was scrapped the ship looked like a lego kit!
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4:26 Remember, Enterprise J stands for Jam on it!
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On this scale, perhaps the windows aren’t peering into rooms but entire “city blocks”.
So on the lower decks... I guess you'd be walking on glass floors? Cool.
No, because if there is glass there, then there can't be artificial gravity plating along the "floor" where the glass is. I believe the crew are actually walking sideways along the circumference of the saucer section. Due to the gravity plating being places along the side of the saucer section.
@@RuddsReels - considering the ship, the technology will be so advanced it can be probably anything you want, transparent gravity plating/gravity generation from a non immediate source etc.
The J is truly beyond the "so advanced indistinguishable from magic" point
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Yeah! I guess it can even include a Tardis style "bigger on the inside" dynamic, like the Enterprise crew found in that shuttle.
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Doug Drexler designed this ship, i think he referred to it as generational ship. Which is why it is so large, one that maybe flies between Galaxies.
The saucer and nacelles may look very thin, but keep in mind how large this thing is, this is probably a hundred decks or so stacked on top of each other.
This thing is as high as a skyscraper and has the diameter of a large city.
The turbolift rides in this ship must take forever, they probably have lots of internal Transporters to get people from A to B efficiently.
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That Final Frontier Enterprise was shaping up to be pretty weird, I would love to see someone tackle a more boxy design in the future.
Pandaman so maybe 2000 years later, the federation would use cubes, just like the borg
Enterprise _Yay_
Lol! The *J* is kicking it with those fly moves.
We should be friends or something.
@@ravenhurst00 Dude! Lol! Subbed.
I was like, what is this witchcraft! How rare. Just walk away! Lol
2:33 Oh that's so cool. Star Trek but with square hull shapes for once. I love the Hammerhead look.
Great video my friend!!!
i do like a good city ship which this seems to be. intergalactic with its own star fleet academy, you could even imagine it housing a ship yard
Thanks for this video. It showed me a lot.
That is realistically big. How good.
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Great job - the stills from the animated "Final Frontier" were very interesting; though I liked the designs, I wouldn't want them to represent a Star Fleet vessel, except for maybe a freighter or a very early design.
This was GREAT! Kudos
Nice upload. Can you do ships of other races next? Like the Romulans or Ferengi?
The windows wouldn't necessarily have to be on the ceiling or floor. They could be doing something funky with the artificial gravity so that the decks are arranged with the floors perpendicular to the windows.
3,200 meters in length? Even more length than a Borg cube. Wonder how much combat capabilities this ship has?
Considering it's beyond voyager's capabilities at the end of the series, it could disintegrate an borg cube in a second :D
The Enterprise J looks ridiculous.
Why?
Agreed. And IMO a ship that's over 10,000 feet long is ridiculous, too.
ZygmaExperiment Explain in detail why the J is Ridiculous ?
Don't make a bold statement and not back it up dude.
Are you creative in any way ?
I have the distinct impression you know nothing about Starship design.
@@jensen220 if you think that, then don't watch Star Wars
@@Ryukuro - I never really liked the star/super star destroyers. Nor was I thrilled with Nemo's 6-mile long ship in the reboot ST movie. Ships that huge are not practical and cause me to have to REALLY suspend believability past what I already have to.
Like I wrote, my opinion.
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The Enterprise J looks like how the Vorlons from B5 or Species 8472 would go about making a Star Trek style ship.
The thing I’d like to know was more of its specs. Maybe it goes warp 30 or something?
A ship that size, and they have that small a registry? The designer must've been an ancestor of the Sphinx designer.
If the saucer section is over a mile wide, then the registry would be something like 347 feet wide, which would cover 22% of the Enterprise D's saucer section.
I’ve never liked this design (one of the very rare ST ships from tv I don’t like), but I did like your discussion of it.
That seconary hull would later reappear on the Walker class in Discovery.
It's amazing how the Enterprise J took a whole life of its own with just a sensor illustration on a wall, but I really would love to see this ship in action⭐
I am glad he showed that. I miss the old trek cartoon.
Finally got around to watching this! The J is actually one of my favourite Enterprise designs, in part because it looks to ridiculous to be anything but a far future ship. After watching the video, I have a couple of thoughts on the J's design:
1. It's more pronounced on the model, but even on the renders, the windows look almost distorted, which to me implies a kind of warp field around the ship -- maybe as an advanced development of the warp bubble, maybe as a form of shielding that redirects incoming fire around the ship.
2. I know loads of people have suggested the J's big windows could be in the walls if the ship had its artificial gravity flipped sideways from the norm on Federation ships, which is a possibility, but I also think that given the sheer size of the vessel, these could be windows for huge communal spaces, like sections of a starbase, or some kind of park / hyrdoponics section (I know this thing's bound to have super-advanced replicators, but even so they might want some form of backup in case of malfunctions).
3. If you remove the saucer, the hull looks a lot like a very sleek, Federation-ised Klingon battlecruiser. The bow section with the replicator is like the hammerhead on most Klingon capital ships, while the mouth-like deflector, long thin neck and flared out, wing-shaped engineering section are all reminiscent of the D7 / Ktinga. Since this thing canonically has Xindi crewmembers, I think that Klingon involvement in its design really isn't that far fetched, especially since this is a far future ship. This Enterprise might, indirectly, owe a lot to Ambassador Worf for being what it is.
4. Further to the idea of removing its saucer, there doesn't seem to be an easy way to separate it from the hull (it could go sideways, but that'd be super awkward due to the sheer size of the thing and the deflector section seems to curve round enough to get in the way). The Federation had a mostly functional Phase Cloak around the TNG era, so with centuries to advance the technology and potentially Romulan reuinion with the Vulcans (thus producing Federation Romulans), this is how I imagine the saucer escaping. The big J gets into a nasty fight and doesn't want to risk its non-combat crew in the saucer? Saucer cloaks, phases through the ship and gets the heck out of dodge while the Battlecruiser-style hull goes to town on the bad guys. You mentioned the NX class a lot, but the J also really reminds me of the Enterprise D, which brings to mind the possibility of similar features.
5. The sheer size of this ship seems totally unnecessary to me, even if it is the future, unless it's not on ordinary starship missions. If the J were intended to explore other galaxies, or otherwise act as a colony ship with its own ready-made starbase (that huge saucer), then its size would be justified, but for missions like we see the other Enterprises undergoing, it is just beautiful levels of overkill -- unless, of course, everyone's trying to one-up the other with absurdly huge starships.
Could the J be considered the Fed equivalent of a Star Destroyer?
wish they would make them larger
In March 2020 Eaglemoss will be releasing an XL version of the Enterprise J.
I always envisioned the Enterprise J as something the size of an average continent. Each side of the saucer section could dock two ships each, roughly the size of Enterprise E. From the main bridge back to the nacells, there would be staggered bays housing advanced Runabouts, Defiant class ships, and almost one thousand stingers.... small overpowered combat ships. Very maneuverable, and very hard to target.
The saucer section is still detachable. The primary haul slows to 1/4 impulse while the docking clamps release. The saucer section stays ion place while thrusters push off the main haul.
As for the main haul, there are three options for propulsion; impulse, warp, and slipstream.
Impulse we all know. Warp is for when you have to cover a long distance in a short amount of time. Slipstream is for when you have to get there now! Like, right now! It's powered by the engine, appearing as a dome of light between the nacells on the main haul. It sucks up power quickly, so it's used in only the most extreme emergencies.
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Good video!
What part of the Enterprise J was Daniel and CPT Archer standing at? Based on the location they were standing, this would have to be beneath the saucer section and off to the right of the center, but there is no angle like that according to the model. Thanks.
you should cover the enterprise F (odyssey class)
Its my favorite enterprise 😊 thanks for that video 👍✌🏼
It would also be cool to know whether a ship this size has a separate ship inside it like the F
Coolest ship in my opinion is the Relatively from voyager.
Agreed!
Relativity
Great great vid, upload more
I love this ship tbh, and how massive it is
In March 2020 Eaglemoss will be releasing an XL version of the Enterprise J.
There's just something about your voice 😍
I personally like this design so much I made my own to add to my collection.
I wonder if we will ever see a ship that is just saucer section? Kind of the like the D's. But with warp nacelles and drive section integrated into the saucer.
Ferval Lankman like the Defiant?
@@davidnabbit I mean like fully saucer. Almost like the classic alien saucer space ship design.
Just a small spelling correction. It's KONGO-class not Congo-class.
Can anyone tell me what that large oval shape in the centre of the saucer section actually is? I'd guess at hydroponics - or a dolpinarium - but has it ever been explained?
Hang on, the Enterprise F, the Odyssey class is only a little bit in the future post Nemesis (it implements Voyager's slipstream innovations, well except for the armour generator).
So that's only the G, H and I until the 31st century?
Must have a lot of effective refits…
Right? A 26th century Enterprise should be more like a 1701-Q, assuming 30 years between letter increments.
Please cover the Akira class.
I remember something odd about the design when I saw this episode. The flat vertical window that Archer is looking out of doesn't seem like it fits anywhere on the how the ship is designed. The viewpoint and position seem wrong. I think the production team just needed a quick corridor redress and just didn't have any communication with how the visuals would be made.
I just dig this.
You know I was about to call the J "Hammerhead Enterprise" but then you showed the concept from that never to be Animated Show and god damn that’s Hammerhead.
I love that rectangular saucer on the Final Frontier Enterprise.
It's an interesting design, it's more alien in its appearance than previous designs.
I thought the eliptical form of the saucer was a direct result of the angle of perspective we were given in the only shot we see of the ship. Because it was from a slanted, isometrical perspective, I always assumed that the saucer was as round as the previous versions.
I like the design. The scale and possible technology it may have is very intriguing. As stated by the ship's designer, Doug Drexler, the Enterprise J is a _"multi-generational"_ vessel and would have _"large parks, entertainment zones, and entire universities on board. The ship is so large that turbolifts would be replaced with site to site transporters... You might even have freeways on the ship, where you can drive a car from one end to another."_
So, really, those huge windows we see on the hull would be more like sky windows for some massive open area inside the ship.
Also, it's not just basic warp propulsion the ship is using, _"They can fold space, and they are exploring other galaxies besides the Milky Way,"_
I have no problem with the nacelle struts being that thin. Again, this ship is huge, so, the struts really are not as thin as they seem. More importantly, this is centuries into the future. We have no idea what kind of super advanced materials the hull is made out of. They may look fragile, but, the hull could be hundreds of times stronger than anything used in the past
I think I remember some video explaining that the hull was trasnlucent or something. Like a energy field or some type of shield covers the entire saucer section and the so called windows are not windows but were something else. I dunno it was awhile ago.
Since the windows are in the top and bottom, I've always wondered if the rooms inside are sideways, with the floor curving around the centre of the saucer.
As far as I had read, the -J was supposed to be able to travel around the Universe as quick as (say) the -D travels around the Galaxy. That's why it's so large. They don't need to stop at starbases. They *are* a starbase.
Are you still going to be making more vids
Because of its shape, any way you look at it except from the direct front or top makes the ships nacelles seem asymmetrical. Its an optical illusion for sure. When I saw it displayed on the wall in Enterprise during the episode I was like "why is it bent awkwardly?" but it wasn't, it just looked like it was.
i bet the glass is not on the ceiling, i bet rooms are dimensional shifted so when you walk into them they're in front of you but you actually go up from the main hallways or down. so it looks like your entering a room with windows in front of you and not above you.
From what I remember of the Enterprise series didn't they have "TARDIS" tech with ships capable of being larger on the inside? Might account for the thin saucer section and window placement when in fact it could be many, many decks as well as running longitudinally rather than vertically perhaps.
STO fun fact. You fight in that battle their watching from the hallway in the last mission of the Future Proof campaign.
This ship is an anomaly in time in and of itself. I challenge anyone to make a detailed interior floor plan of this thing
Lol, the breakdance ending was great.
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Nice.
You know, having as thin a design as that along the axis makes sense from a tactical perspective. In battle you want to keep as little of a cross-section exposed as possible for the purpose of making yourself difficult to hit, and to detect. Admittedly the sheer size may somewhat negate this idea but it is still valid
Its hard to imagine the futures future