@@ThaexakaMavro 😀 Actually yes! Quebec may be warmer than Alberta but its much colder than florida, that's why I said they would overheat over there (joke)... I know some Canadians like to go there in the winter, but I guess they are still more cold resistant than heat resistant 😉
I guess I’m in the group of people who wanted an update of the Eos r and the rp. Better dynamic range, increased shutter speed, 10 bit 4K 60 with no loss in quality.
Make a Comparison Photo and Video Result of Canon R7 vs Sony A6600 vs Fujifilm X-T4; and Canon R10 vs Sony A6100 vs Fujifilm X-A7 vs Nikon Z50 ...please...Thank you
I disagree. Canon needs R mirrorless apsc to capture the travel and wildlife photographers. Probably the mark ii of R and RP will be released later this year imo.
@@1fareast14 e-mount has amazing lenses from third party manufacturers for both aps-c and fullframe. after all you could also mount your ff glass on the aps-c bodys if you wanted to
Would love a comparison of R7 with R6 for a casual wildlife photography enthusiast (if that’s even a thing!). Also, would love to understand the total cost of ownership with recommended canon and 3rd party lenses for each of these bodies. Curious about what body + lens combos makes best sense for someone who wants to use this as a primary camera (like for birthdays, family trips, weekend getaways, kids sports, kids portraits, fall photography, etc.) along with wildlife/sports oriented trip like birding, safaris, skiing, racing, etc. So hard to find this kind of a comparison online and I suspect this is the market Canon is targeting with the R7 and R6 (albeit for a more serious enthusiast).
The R7 is the logical upgrade for those of us still having to use a 7Dii for outdoor daylight sports. Paired with an adapter and my ef 100-400ii it would be perfect. I don't need even 15fps. 12 would be ideal.
So the R10 is a considerably pricier and slightly heavier M50 II, with a kit lens that's 18mm at the wide end instead of 15mm? A little disappointing really. Hope they'll port over the M primes at least.
Agreed. The body itself is better than the M50 II, but it's also bigger, uglier (IMO), and more expensive. The kit zoom range is really limiting. A big no from me so far. If my M50 died today I'd be looking into other systems.
R10 has significantly better video with the full sensor 4K oversamples at 6K, plus get the RF mount which is definitely where Canon sees the future at. If you don't need the 4K uncropped video, then the M50 is still a great camera. M50 still sell very well in Japan!!
I doubt Canon will make any 'proper' apsc prime, RF already have 16 2.8 pancake, quite Compact 35 and 50 1.8, etc. That pretty much covered 24, ~50, and ~85. Maybe Canon will port the efm 22 to complete the list with 35mm eq
Canon won't make any APS-C primes for these cameras. The goal is to get people to buy expensive full frame R lenses, it's the exact same goal as the Nikon Z50. I am sticking with my EF-S DSLR and EOS-M cameras. If Canon stops developing them, I am moving to Fuji. EOS R is too expensive and too bulky.
I haven't seen how the elements are laid out but the 18-150 looks a lot like the EF-M version with a bigger flange to cover the RF mount. I suspect we'll see a couple of lenses ported over in the future, particularly the 11-22.
I'm coming from Canon 6D with 2 full frame lenses. I'm glad that I can still use my current lenses with this new camera. I'll order the Canon R7, this will help me introduce my self and my son to wildlife photography.
Still making my minds up for the camera themselves (though tbh happy to see APS-C with RF mount), but definitely disappointed by the RF-S 18-45mm kit lens. Canon mated the EF-S 18-55mm and the EF-M 15-45mm but take the shortest zoom range? It's not even that fast.
A very excellent First Impression Review ! After waiting for a Sony A7000 for so long (in December 2019 I had bought a Sony A6600 out of desperation) and thinking about a Sony A7 IV or a GH6 for the last few months, the R7 seems to be the closest to my needs , if the R7 together with the adapter works well with old EF lenses. So, besides Nikon FF (D800), MFT and Sony APS-C lenses, I have to think about joining the Canon system.
I recently moved to Sony and got a used excellent condition A7R IV for a about £2000. Unless the weight is an issue the 60MP IV will give you an edge on quality over APS-C. If you are shooting wild life one has to get closer, use better glass and get more MP. I think going down the APS-C route can, note can, be a bit of a blind alley.
Good to see canon AF finally surpass Sonys AF especially animal eye af. If canon starts to make small compact cameras they can take out Sony in the hybrid section to be honest image quality is superb and now video is getting better. My a7iv AF struggles with birds behind cages while the canon r6 grabs the eye right away. Kudos to canon.
I switched from a Canon 100D to a Sony A7 III and I'm thinking about switching back to get more lightweight lenses and Canon colors. I would love to get a 24mm pancake
I video shoot the R10 on a gimbal, so the lack IBIS isn't a problem. But what's the best approach to photo shooting with unstabilized lenses (like the RF 50mm1.8) without a tripod?
I feel like these cameras are really meant for sports and wildlife where it's nice to have the extra reach and good auto focus, and they are a much cheaper alternative to the R5 or R6. I feel like the R7 will make a perfect pair for my EOS R.
R7 is cheaper than Fuji XT-4, really interesting! But the Panasonic S5 is always on sale and just getting cheaper, hard choice, amazing video features, best of the best IBIS versus an okay APS-C camera with the body of a freaking full frame camera and okay video features, damn.
The xt4 is a far superior camera to the R7. The fact that it is back side illuminating is a huge deal and ALONE worth paying a little extra for. Besides that fuji glass especially the 16-55mm f2.8 is so sharp that the xt4 can’t even take full advantage of it. Also 400mb bit rate in 4:2:0 10bit h265 is pretty nuts and all that in 4k60p.
@@adnan_velic Fuji XT4 has a lot of impressive specs but one thing it does not have is good ergonomics. The 16-55mm f2.8 is also interesting lens but its pretty old when compared to Samsung 16-50mm F2-2.8 considering the Fuji one is larger. Sony also has some really small f2.8 zooms for their APS-C's, and with stabilisation, if Fuji made a camera with a regular body with good grip and a F2.8 zoom with built in stab and small size, it be a killer system honestly.
@@Emilioh888 S5 AF is good if you tell it what to do, as long as you got light and contrast it can get the job done well, I agree its not perfect but its like, these days you buy a camera with compromises, its just matter of what compromises you can live with.
@@SMGJohn I got a small rig grip for mine. Fits perfectly and gives me additional benefits besides better grip. The Samsung lens is designed for a camera that is obsolete NX mount…. Sure there are better options in lenses but I’m saying if you’re looking at an R7 specifically this cannot compete with an xt4. Also that IBIS in the xt4 is really good at 5.5 stops. I had an S5 as well and I enjoy and prefer the image coming out of the xt4 much more. The dynamic range out of the x trans sensor is pretty damn impressive. Not as much as the S5 but certainly better than a canon R line camera.
I‘m not sure if you‘re all right with the buffer. I looked at the spec sheet. With 15 fps it‘s possible to shoot 12 seconds in c-raw before the buffer is filled. No matter if electronic or mechanical. And this time you can change the burst rate with electronic shutter too. This are about 200 pictures in 12 seconds in c-raw. What other camera in this price range can do this? And the 30 fps are great for focus stacking and pre capture. In c-raw you can take 2 or 3 seconds of pictures if i remember right. More than enought to nail the action. Can the Z9 take 30 fps in RAW? Or our three times more expensive R5? Not even for one second if i remember right. Maybe it‘s not that worse like it sounds at the first look 😉
The deal breaker is the R7 price is pretty good as the eos 7dii was apx £1,400 on launch. As I am 7Dii owner the R7 makes a lot sense and would be a great upgrade. Before the this event the only option I had wax R6 at £2,500not a very affordable route. Most canon user I meet at events are 7Dii users so I suspect there will be a lot of 7Dii hitting the used are very soon !
The R6 is fantastic for wildlife, birds. I am really impressed with it. Plus it doubles as a great landscape portrait camera too. It took me a little while to get used to full frame, as you feel like you are losing something but you really aren’t in reality. I am hoping the R7 shares the image quality of the full frame and I would definitely pick one up and move my R6 over to just macro, landscapes and portraits only. I do miss those APS sensors for sure!
@@krisdeaglephotography4539 if I’m not wrong R7s weather sealing is to the same level as the D90 which has had issues reported on this front. The 7Dmk11 is much better weather sealed which you need for wildlife photography in the uk. I would expect that the weather sealing on the R3 and R5 to be as good as on the 7Dmk11
I LIVE using the main rear dial on my Z's! I have it setup to work in S and A priority modes. This is a great review because that might be a deal breaker for me. Having something important on a dial that doesn't lock is not good as most have experienced on the Z lenses custom dial. I find the front/top dial much less ergonomic than Nikons too. Not having a locking exposure compensation dial on EVERY camera is a bit strike. I wish these had a warm LED flash/fill/model lamp on them. I'm going to try one out anyway! What APS-C's really needs is a pro level 15-75mm f4 or f2-4 lens. That way you get a better size and performance balance. Sigma's 17-70 was very popular for this reason as was Nikon's 17-55f2.8DX.
I have a 800D today and are looking to upgrade in the future. The full format cameras in Canons line may be too expensive so one of theese may be more suitable. My biggest problem with my current 800D is the noise. Anything above ISO200 get noisy as hell, and without professional glass its really hard to photograph birds and other wildlife. Especially if you may want to crop some afterwards. It will be really interesting to see what kind of low light / nosie performance theese two cameras have once the full reviews come out.
The rolling shutter effect on football was amazing. It made real life look like the NES game Nintendo World Cup back in the 80's/90's with supershots where the ball would warp to an ellipsoid.
First, thank you for great review. And to Fuji for investing in better sensor and chip technology ! As far as portraits and landscape shots I really, really enjoy my Fuji X--T4 and older gear's results. Comments: 1. If we can screw on a fan why can't we screw on a modular screen? (i.e. have a flippy screen version and a X-T3 style screen which we can buy separately), So neither photographers nor videographers need to compromise for latest tech? 2. Instead of eliminating SS, ISO, and exposure dials, Why not have 3 tactile (clicky) dials each with LED on top (LED would display SS, ISO, Exposure) By making dials with displays, the quick settings C1-C7 would have maximum positive effect, and people who like dials (many people who buy Fuji for similarly to film cameras) I suppose something like that could be done on aperture ring as well: have infinite turn, with an LED F# on the lens: thus aperture settings can be set by camera or manually with. i.e. apparent trend to eliminate aperture ring is worrying. 3. While it is tactile, making the S,C,M switch a button gives the setting C1-C7 modes max positive effect, so I support this new design decision. Also S,C,M switch has always looked a little weak. 4. Having the back dial on the X-H2S not be clickable is fine with me: I find on my X-t4 it is hard to tell if the force I'm applying is going to click it or rotate dial. The larger focus nub looks good on the X-H2S. Standardize it! The suggestions above would reduce some of the parts needed between various X-T cameras. In a supply-chain constrained world, with a lot of camera competition, having fewer Fuji models would help Fuji's R&D efforts stay better focused. Where possible standardize on what makes fanbase passionate. 5. Even if my X-T4 doesn't have processing power of X-H2S, please backport improved AF algorithms. Adding even an additional slower mode (but much more accurate focus!!) would help those of us who want to do light sport shooting, or just take pics of graduations where there are a lot of people in picture. Promises were made about AF improvements in X-T4 that are merely incremental compared to Sony and Canon's order of magnitude improvements. Backport improvements where possible to maintain the brand PASSION that got you where you are. Keep at it Fuji on the R&D side: keep innovating and pushing what is possible on your cameras & lenses. -Ben
Loved the video. What did you mean when you stated at 6:10 minutes that you are on Continuous Auto Focus, use the Subject Detection that jumps from branches to the birds. You find it is easier to use the Subject Detection, get your Autofocusing, then stop Auto-focusing,, and take the shots you want. What are you changing?.
Would love to see EF compatibility with these, especially some classic EF-S lenses such as Canon EF-S 17-55 f/2.8, Canon 10-18 f/4.5-5.6, Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 and Sigma 50-100 f/1.8. In fact, if Sigma manages to get those guys over to RF mount natively, that would be a killer combo. The Sigmas + a native Canon lightweight APS-C birding lens, is the dream. Cheerio! And thanks again, Chris and Jordan :)
The thing about Mirrorless is all lenses ever made for both DSLR and Film cameras will fit it. All you need is an adapter with the correct flange distance.
@@davebassP5 Sure better order soon, but as how the delivery situation is at the moment, I doubt that the units will be in the hand of the customer before september ;-) We'll see how long we get an adapter for free.
I really wish companies would cater to the snapshot and street shooter who likes quality. The M6II was great. Compact, flip up screen for waist-level shooting. The X-E4 too, but they seem to be fading out of priority for larger chunky tank bodies. And if they do make something like the A7C it's so hindered by bargain tech it's not really worth it, especially for the price.
@@gtaliano I've never seen a cell phone that could keep up with something like the Ricoh GR even. There's got to be a market for people who still print work.
Is non-oversampled 4k 60p a hardware limitation on the R7 or could be added later software update? For a wildlife/sports camera good slow-mo video is needed, ideally at 4k 120p
Already preordered an R7, it should pair nicely with my 100-500 for wildlife and BIF photography. Along with my R6, I should be good to go for some time! Until the next great thing comes along. 😳
It looks like, with video-on attached to the on-off switch, the R7 has 3 programmable custom modes for video as well as photo. That function is sorely lacking on the R6. I also presume that's a full-size HDMI port under that door. How did video nerd Jordan not touch on the HDMI since he's always complaining about mini/micro HDMI ports?
At last an APS-C mirrorless. I have been waiting for long. The R7 seems to to be the spiritual successor of 7D. And i love 7D. I have one. Hope to test and get the R7. Just one berry berry important Question. Does the evf blank out while using continues shoot mode???
So what happens to Canon’s M-series cameras? It seems unlikely they would support two lens mounts for APS-C going forward. Are those in the M-mount system SOL for future camera and lens releases?
I’m glad he mentioned the size of the lenses being too much for the r10. I was wondering if maybe pairing it with the rf 600mm 7.1 would be a better fit
I am a teacher and will be adding a few more cameras for next year. In my opinion, the R10 and R7 don't offer enough for the money for me to change my mind from just getting more cheap T series Canon dslr's given my use. I did just get them an R6 however for night sports. All things considered, the R6 is the real bargain in Canon's line up.
I am an enthusiast photographer with my main focus documenting family, namely my 3 kids as they grow up. I'm mainly shooting portraits and capturing video. I have been shooting with a Canon 40D for years, and it has served me well, but its time to upgrade. I wanted to upgrade to mirrorless but was not impressed in the reviews for the R and RP. I was hoping that the R7 or R10 would be a full frame sensor. It seems that everyone is stating that the R7 is ideal for sports and wildlife, which are not my focus. I want to take photos and videos of my family, and be able to capture good video. Should I go with the R7 or with the R or RP?
Both seem great cameras. I currently have a canon m6 mkii and the R7 with the IBIS sounds and looks amazing but is it worth the higher price over R10? I don't do much video. Also no way to use any of my EFM lenses is a bummer.
To me, this is to just get the low end, beginner market again, especially with the R10. I can't see them fleshing out the APS-C RF lens line-up, just as they didn't do a lot with the DSLR APS-C lenses. The R7 could be useful for birders and people that need the extra reach of the crop though.. I have a Canon 70D, and will be going to Full frame as soon as I can scrounge enough money to make the transfer with a couple of lenses, but it's most likely going to be Sony Full Frame. I may consider something like a R10 as a replacement for my 70D as a short term upgrade, (if it is an upgrade for me) but here in Australia, The R7 is only $100 less than a Sony A7III, so I wouldn't want to spend that kind of money for a stop gap camera, I would just spend the money on going full frame.
Except the X-S10 is full of dead pixels (after the first shoot), that don't go away... or at least the two brand new ones I got did. So I swopped it out for an X-T3 and I didn't have any issues... Except the on/off switch getting stiff until barely movable when the camera gets hot and it's less than a year old. Trying to figure out if Fuji in South Africa is a joke or if the brand is not as good as I hoped for it to be.
Could you guys do a comparison between the R7 and the R6? Though they seem very different, a lot of people could genuinely be looking to choose between these models? The new "RF-S" lenses will fit on the same RF lens mount & just be smaller (& lighter) to form a smaller image circle? Will R7 & R10 work with existing RF lenses?
Definitely a strange comparison possibly, but I'm looking at the Canon R7 vs either a Sony A7iii or an A7C. Canon has super fps in comparison, and much higher resolution rear screen, but it's APS-C and Canon glass is SO expensive. On the other hand the Sony's are full frame with much more flexible (imo) variety of lens options at various price points. As of today on B&H = Canon R7 is $1,599 - Sony A7C is $1,698, and A7iii is $1,798.
Nice, very nice that Canon included 10bit capabilities with these! Now I wondering if the recording time limitation can be removed from my R6 via firmware! Canon proved with the R7 & R10 we can record time unlimited! Thanks!
Would you go APSC R7? Maybe - if it proved to be Nikon D500 beater. (You can get a used D500 for $1200 - so the R7 will have to be fantastic. R7 vs D500 will be the comparison to see.
Really thinking about adding an R7 to my EOS R instead of trading the R for an R6. The R7 & 100-500mm combination looks great for wildlife photography and the RF 70-200mm would be great for sports photography. I wonder how that would perform for photographing the moon?
After watching the GH6 and the Leica 9mm video before this, I understand that the GH6 is more expensive, but it is impressive how great video is on that camera. This Canon has some great photo chops though.
Great review as always guys, I think canon r7 is a great camera for video and photo, right now I'm using Fujifilm xt 3, interesting fact is that Fujifilm xt 3 released around 4 years ago but still it can compete with canon r7! What do you think guys?
@@truthseeker6804 not the the worse autofocus, it's your opinion, and if update firmware you will have better autofocus, I'm taking about video if compare video xt 3 has great capabilities record with 400 Mbps.
Great job on the video guys. Looks like a fun trip! As an EF-M user I'm not thrilled to see the M5 Mark II released as an RF mount camera, but I get the whole wanting to match Sony/Nikon and please the one mount multiple sensor format people. It does hurt to see I'll never get the longer per clip video recording times in-camera on EF-M. Bought a Ninja V to do that with the M6ii (plus h.265 8-bit for storage savings). Maybe another used M6ii is in my future until I see what Sony and Nikon come up with moving forward. ;D Might as well buy only used EF-M gear at this point unless there is a big discount discontinuation sale. 9:15 battery oopsy. ;D I once made a video where I called "FOV" "perspective" instead. Still hurts me to this day because the video is one of my more popular ones lately, heh.
I can tell I've been around cameras too long because my first thought was to scan the spec sheet and ask "Ok, how did Canon manage to cripple these this time?"
Good review. What I think the R7 will hurt is the up coming Fujifilm X-H2S which is $1000 MORE. Is the new revised AF on the X-H2S really up the the Dual Pixel standards? Please do a comparison review on these two cameras. Thanks.
@@pal54321 I would go full frame if I had full frame lenses, or had the money to replace all/some of mine with FF. As is, I'll have to stick with Canon APS-C.
Don't know if I should get this and use it as an upgrade path to a canon full frame down the road, or wait for the Fujifilm xh2s which will be by far the king of aps c...with a price tag to match most likely
I am from India R10 is going to be around 80k here (body only) , for extra 10k you can just get the Fujifilm X-S10 (which has ibis and good lens options)😑, for 70k you can get the sony a6400 (which has a lot of apsc lens option) They should have priced it around the xt200 price range in my opinion.
Why did they change the control wheels? Don’t Canon have any contact with actual users? It would have been interesting to see a poll about the control wheels amongst existing Canon users.
Tell Canon to make something like RF-S 15-55mm f1.8 IS USM lens to accomodate those specs in the R7. That would be like their RF 28-70mm f2 for APS-C mirrorless line-up.
Great video gents as always, thanks. I have the t6i, was thinking of upgrading to the 90D previously, but I knew the r7 was coming down the pipe, how would you say it is compared for autofocus, the 90d and r7. Thanks.
Are you kidding they didn't even inquire about if the bodies will be offered in red (like his shirt) or white in addition to black. Some journalist.. ;)
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They didn't over-heat at Florida. That's a good sign.
No, only Canadians do (overheat in Florida) 😉
It's not the heat, it's the humidity.
@@ME2K23 you never been in quebec lol 😂
@@ThaexakaMavro 😀 Actually yes! Quebec may be warmer than Alberta but its much colder than florida, that's why I said they would overheat over there (joke)... I know some Canadians like to go there in the winter, but I guess they are still more cold resistant than heat resistant 😉
You have no idea what i have been through living in asia.
I guess I’m in the group of people who wanted an update of the Eos r and the rp. Better dynamic range, increased shutter speed, 10 bit 4K 60 with no loss in quality.
Make a Comparison Photo and Video Result of Canon R7 vs Sony A6600 vs Fujifilm X-T4; and Canon R10 vs Sony A6100 vs Fujifilm X-A7 vs Nikon Z50 ...please...Thank you
Decent cameras. But I wish Canon instead updated their R and RP since these cameras are full frame but also close in price to the R7 and R10.
I agree
Agree we need an RP Mark II. Badly. I’d like one with an M6 style format with no viewfinder.
it will come soon,. trust me,.. i feel it will be on the spot of R8 (Eos R) & R9 (Eos RP) trust me dude this will be huge,.
I disagree. Canon needs R mirrorless apsc to capture the travel and wildlife photographers. Probably the mark ii of R and RP will be released later this year imo.
Different cameras for different uses. If you wont full frame go for R3.
Great to see Canon get into this space, now I just want to see some small lens options and I’ll pick one up right away!
Repeat after me "we need open gate", "we need open gate" "we need open gate"!!!!
Given how ef-s, dx, and Sony e went, I'm not optimistic
Canon never had a large selection of APSC lens for its DSLR crops. I’m glad the new cameras can use RF/EF lenses.
In short term, need to buy the EF-RF adapter, and then can use all the EF-S glass. For people looking at the R10 price range, that is a great option.
@@1fareast14 e-mount has amazing lenses from third party manufacturers for both aps-c and fullframe. after all you could also mount your ff glass on the aps-c bodys if you wanted to
Would love a comparison of R7 with R6 for a casual wildlife photography enthusiast (if that’s even a thing!). Also, would love to understand the total cost of ownership with recommended canon and 3rd party lenses for each of these bodies. Curious about what body + lens combos makes best sense for someone who wants to use this as a primary camera (like for birthdays, family trips, weekend getaways, kids sports, kids portraits, fall photography, etc.) along with wildlife/sports oriented trip like birding, safaris, skiing, racing, etc. So hard to find this kind of a comparison online and I suspect this is the market Canon is targeting with the R7 and R6 (albeit for a more serious enthusiast).
I was born and raised in Orlando and really didn't expect to see you guys walking around Gator Land anytime soon. Great video as always!
R7 being 10 bit really makes me think it could be a B cam to my R5C whenever I decide to get another camera
R7 would be a perfect fit with the sigma 18-35mm f1.8, with the ef to rf nd adapter. IBIS, Nd, 10 bit, affordable (although no raw)
@@legendp2011 As u said NO RAW!!
R7 only 10 bit in clog 3 where the R5c can do 10 bit in any mode or profile.
DR looks pretty poor tho
@@Aviciiz true but tons of content have been shot on cameras with worse DR in the past it's workable
The R7 is the logical upgrade for those of us still having to use a 7Dii for outdoor daylight sports. Paired with an adapter and my ef 100-400ii it would be perfect. I don't need even 15fps. 12 would be ideal.
It would be if Canon had some kind of 150or 200-600mm lens for it but they don't so the r7 is useless.
"...still having to use..." one of the best cameras ever made - poor baby.
So the R10 is a considerably pricier and slightly heavier M50 II, with a kit lens that's 18mm at the wide end instead of 15mm? A little disappointing really. Hope they'll port over the M primes at least.
Agreed. The body itself is better than the M50 II, but it's also bigger, uglier (IMO), and more expensive. The kit zoom range is really limiting. A big no from me so far. If my M50 died today I'd be looking into other systems.
R10 has significantly better video with the full sensor 4K oversamples at 6K, plus get the RF mount which is definitely where Canon sees the future at. If you don't need the 4K uncropped video, then the M50 is still a great camera. M50 still sell very well in Japan!!
@@montagdp yeah Fuji and Sony are the only brands that haven’t disappointed me yet
I hope they make smaller APS-C prime lenses in the same mount, instead of just recommending using massive full-frame RF lenses.
I doubt Canon will make any 'proper' apsc prime, RF already have 16 2.8 pancake, quite Compact 35 and 50 1.8, etc. That pretty much covered 24, ~50, and ~85. Maybe Canon will port the efm 22 to complete the list with 35mm eq
Canon won't make any APS-C primes for these cameras. The goal is to get people to buy expensive full frame R lenses, it's the exact same goal as the Nikon Z50. I am sticking with my EF-S DSLR and EOS-M cameras. If Canon stops developing them, I am moving to Fuji. EOS R is too expensive and too bulky.
@@sophieedel6324 you can always adapt your EF-S lens onto R cameras, they work well
why spend development money on a market that has small profits
I haven't seen how the elements are laid out but the 18-150 looks a lot like the EF-M version with a bigger flange to cover the RF mount. I suspect we'll see a couple of lenses ported over in the future, particularly the 11-22.
I'm coming from Canon 6D with 2 full frame lenses. I'm glad that I can still use my current lenses with this new camera. I'll order the Canon R7, this will help me introduce my self and my son to wildlife photography.
Still making my minds up for the camera themselves (though tbh happy to see APS-C with RF mount), but definitely disappointed by the RF-S 18-45mm kit lens. Canon mated the EF-S 18-55mm and the EF-M 15-45mm but take the shortest zoom range? It's not even that fast.
F4.5-6.3 - "not that fast" is an understatement in a world where 18-55 F2.8-4 exists.
@@problemat1que don’t forget canon’s old 17-55 f2.8 either!
A very excellent First Impression Review !
After waiting for a Sony A7000 for so long (in December 2019 I had bought a Sony A6600 out of desperation) and thinking about a Sony A7 IV or a GH6 for the last few months, the R7 seems to be the closest to my needs , if the R7 together with the adapter works well with old EF lenses. So, besides Nikon FF (D800), MFT and Sony APS-C lenses, I have to think about joining the Canon system.
I recently moved to Sony and got a used excellent condition A7R IV for a about £2000. Unless the weight is an issue the 60MP IV will give you an edge on quality over APS-C.
If you are shooting wild life one has to get closer, use better glass and get more MP. I think going down the APS-C route can, note can, be a bit of a blind alley.
Good to see canon AF finally surpass Sonys AF especially animal eye af. If canon starts to make small compact cameras they can take out Sony in the hybrid section to be honest image quality is superb and now video is getting better. My a7iv AF struggles with birds behind cages while the canon r6 grabs the eye right away. Kudos to canon.
I switched from a Canon 100D to a Sony A7 III and I'm thinking about switching back to get more lightweight lenses and Canon colors.
I would love to get a 24mm pancake
Canon always deliver clean, simple and powerful cameras 💯
It's an overpriced Rebel at twice the cost.
@@sophieedel6324 Rebel don't have a AF system close to R10/R7
@@zegzbrutal We are in 2022, just saying. So I think, Sophie isn't that far of with her point. But thats an industry problem.
@@Benjamin_Jehne OM-1, Fujis raw specs are close to R7... Yet no one complained
I think the R7 should have been named the R8 and left open the R7 for a stacked BSI sensor, a CF Express card and controls of the R5 🤔
Yes, but I think either the RP or the R well be called R8 in the future
They could have done all those things,but the body would cost $3,000 dollars. Not the market they were going for.
I video shoot the R10 on a gimbal, so the lack IBIS isn't a problem. But what's the best approach to photo shooting with unstabilized lenses (like the RF 50mm1.8) without a tripod?
Great review as always. My favorite of all the R7/R10 videos I've seen so far.
As always, these guys are the best.
These guys and this channel is horrid, dopey can't take a picture, he thinks he's a runway model. It's an ad not a review.
I feel like these cameras are really meant for sports and wildlife where it's nice to have the extra reach and good auto focus, and they are a much cheaper alternative to the R5 or R6. I feel like the R7 will make a perfect pair for my EOS R.
I feel the R10 will make the perfect pair with my RP... made the choice cause of battery LP-E17
Agreed.
I'm a filmmaker using a 90D and man the R7 video specs make it look like a cinecam compared to the 90D. Wow!
R7 is cheaper than Fuji XT-4, really interesting! But the Panasonic S5 is always on sale and just getting cheaper, hard choice, amazing video features, best of the best IBIS versus an okay APS-C camera with the body of a freaking full frame camera and okay video features, damn.
S5 AF isn’t on par with competition but image quality is superb
The xt4 is a far superior camera to the R7. The fact that it is back side illuminating is a huge deal and ALONE worth paying a little extra for. Besides that fuji glass especially the 16-55mm f2.8 is so sharp that the xt4 can’t even take full advantage of it. Also 400mb bit rate in 4:2:0 10bit h265 is pretty nuts and all that in 4k60p.
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Fuji XT4 has a lot of impressive specs but one thing it does not have is good ergonomics.
The 16-55mm f2.8 is also interesting lens but its pretty old when compared to Samsung 16-50mm F2-2.8 considering the Fuji one is larger. Sony also has some really small f2.8 zooms for their APS-C's, and with stabilisation, if Fuji made a camera with a regular body with good grip and a F2.8 zoom with built in stab and small size, it be a killer system honestly.
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S5 AF is good if you tell it what to do, as long as you got light and contrast it can get the job done well, I agree its not perfect but its like, these days you buy a camera with compromises, its just matter of what compromises you can live with.
@@SMGJohn I got a small rig grip for mine. Fits perfectly and gives me additional benefits besides better grip. The Samsung lens is designed for a camera that is obsolete NX mount…. Sure there are better options in lenses but I’m saying if you’re looking at an R7 specifically this cannot compete with an xt4. Also that IBIS in the xt4 is really good at 5.5 stops. I had an S5 as well and I enjoy and prefer the image coming out of the xt4 much more. The dynamic range out of the x trans sensor is pretty damn impressive. Not as much as the S5 but certainly better than a canon R line camera.
I‘m not sure if you‘re all right with the buffer. I looked at the spec sheet. With 15 fps it‘s possible to shoot 12 seconds in c-raw before the buffer is filled. No matter if electronic or mechanical. And this time you can change the burst rate with electronic shutter too. This are about 200 pictures in 12 seconds in c-raw. What other camera in this price range can do this?
And the 30 fps are great for focus stacking and pre capture. In c-raw you can take 2 or 3 seconds of pictures if i remember right. More than enought to nail the action. Can the Z9 take 30 fps in RAW? Or our three times more expensive R5? Not even for one second if i remember right.
Maybe it‘s not that worse like it sounds at the first look 😉
The deal breaker is the R7 price is pretty good as the eos 7dii was apx £1,400 on launch. As I am 7Dii owner the R7 makes a lot sense and would be a great upgrade. Before the this event the only option I had wax R6 at £2,500not a very affordable route. Most canon user I meet at events are 7Dii users so I suspect there will be a lot of 7Dii hitting the used are very soon !
The R6 is fantastic for wildlife, birds. I am really impressed with it. Plus it doubles as a great landscape portrait camera too. It took me a little while to get used to full frame, as you feel like you are losing something but you really aren’t in reality. I am hoping the R7 shares the image quality of the full frame and I would definitely pick one up and move my R6 over to just macro, landscapes and portraits only. I do miss those APS sensors for sure!
It’s not weather sealed, so till it is I’ll stick with my 7DMK2.
@@davidwallace258 the R7 is
@@krisdeaglephotography4539 if I’m not wrong R7s weather sealing is to the same level as the D90 which has had issues reported on this front. The 7Dmk11 is much better weather sealed which you need for wildlife photography in the uk. I would expect that the weather sealing on the R3 and R5 to be as good as on the 7Dmk11
@@davidwallace258 that much, I do not know.
I LIVE using the main rear dial on my Z's! I have it setup to work in S and A priority modes. This is a great review because that might be a deal breaker for me. Having something important on a dial that doesn't lock is not good as most have experienced on the Z lenses custom dial. I find the front/top dial much less ergonomic than Nikons too. Not having a locking exposure compensation dial on EVERY camera is a bit strike. I wish these had a warm LED flash/fill/model lamp on them. I'm going to try one out anyway!
What APS-C's really needs is a pro level 15-75mm f4 or f2-4 lens. That way you get a better size and performance balance. Sigma's 17-70 was very popular for this reason as was Nikon's 17-55f2.8DX.
I have a 800D today and are looking to upgrade in the future. The full format cameras in Canons line may be too expensive so one of theese may be more suitable. My biggest problem with my current 800D is the noise. Anything above ISO200 get noisy as hell, and without professional glass its really hard to photograph birds and other wildlife. Especially if you may want to crop some afterwards. It will be really interesting to see what kind of low light / nosie performance theese two cameras have once the full reviews come out.
Thanks.
Wondering how Canadian photographers will handle the new Wheel & Joystick combo with winter gloves.
The rolling shutter effect on football was amazing. It made real life look like the NES game Nintendo World Cup back in the 80's/90's with supershots where the ball would warp to an ellipsoid.
First, thank you for great review. And to Fuji for investing in better sensor and chip technology ! As far as portraits and landscape shots I really, really enjoy my Fuji X--T4 and older gear's results.
Comments:
1. If we can screw on a fan why can't we screw on a modular screen? (i.e. have a flippy screen version and a X-T3 style screen which we can buy separately),
So neither photographers nor videographers need to compromise for latest tech?
2. Instead of eliminating SS, ISO, and exposure dials, Why not have 3 tactile (clicky) dials each with LED on top (LED would display SS, ISO, Exposure)
By making dials with displays, the quick settings C1-C7 would have maximum positive effect, and people who like dials (many people who buy Fuji for similarly to film cameras)
I suppose something like that could be done on aperture ring as well: have infinite turn, with an LED F# on the lens: thus aperture settings can be set by camera or manually with.
i.e. apparent trend to eliminate aperture ring is worrying.
3. While it is tactile, making the S,C,M switch a button gives the setting C1-C7 modes max positive effect, so I support this new design decision. Also S,C,M switch has always looked a little weak.
4. Having the back dial on the X-H2S not be clickable is fine with me: I find on my X-t4 it is hard to tell if the force I'm applying is going to click it or rotate dial. The larger focus nub looks good on the X-H2S. Standardize it!
The suggestions above would reduce some of the parts needed between various X-T cameras.
In a supply-chain constrained world, with a lot of camera competition, having fewer Fuji models would help Fuji's R&D efforts stay better focused. Where possible standardize on what makes fanbase passionate.
5. Even if my X-T4 doesn't have processing power of X-H2S, please backport improved AF algorithms. Adding even an additional slower mode (but much more accurate focus!!) would help those of us who want to do light sport shooting, or just take pics of graduations where there are a lot of people in picture. Promises were made about AF improvements in X-T4 that are merely incremental compared to Sony and Canon's order of magnitude improvements. Backport improvements where possible to maintain the brand PASSION that got you where you are.
Keep at it Fuji on the R&D side: keep innovating and pushing what is possible on your cameras & lenses.
-Ben
Canadians in florida- as a Brit I feel for you!!
I love it when camera reviewers say 15fps mechanical isn’t much….. when just 10 years ago a Pro 1Dx was blazing fast at 11fps 🤣
Loved the video. What did you mean when you stated at 6:10 minutes that you are on Continuous Auto Focus, use the Subject Detection that jumps from branches to the birds. You find it is easier to use the Subject Detection, get your Autofocusing, then stop Auto-focusing,, and take the shots you want. What are you changing?.
Would love to see EF compatibility with these, especially some classic EF-S lenses such as Canon EF-S 17-55 f/2.8, Canon 10-18 f/4.5-5.6, Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 and Sigma 50-100 f/1.8. In fact, if Sigma manages to get those guys over to RF mount natively, that would be a killer combo. The Sigmas + a native Canon lightweight APS-C birding lens, is the dream. Cheerio! And thanks again, Chris and Jordan :)
In short term, need to buy the EF-RF adapter, and then can use all the EF-S glass. For people looking at the R10 price range, that is a great option.
The thing about Mirrorless is all lenses ever made for both DSLR and Film cameras will fit it.
All you need is an adapter with the correct flange distance.
I understood that these will be sold WITH an EF-RF adapter
@@michaelstoeckel2954 only the initial supply until Sept 2022. Then you will need to buy it as an add on.
@@davebassP5 Sure better order soon, but as how the delivery situation is at the moment, I doubt that the units will be in the hand of the customer before september ;-)
We'll see how long we get an adapter for free.
I really wish companies would cater to the snapshot and street shooter who likes quality. The M6II was great. Compact, flip up screen for waist-level shooting. The X-E4 too, but they seem to be fading out of priority for larger chunky tank bodies. And if they do make something like the A7C it's so hindered by bargain tech it's not really worth it, especially for the price.
Street photography is moving fast towards Cell Phones.... sadly.
@@gtaliano I've never seen a cell phone that could keep up with something like the Ricoh GR even. There's got to be a market for people who still print work.
@@-grey i said sadly. Because of safety and convenience. Not Quality. I agree with you.
@@gtaliano fair enough, my mistake. What do you mean by Saftey.
@@-grey Safety,
Is non-oversampled 4k 60p a hardware limitation on the R7 or could be added later software update? For a wildlife/sports camera good slow-mo video is needed, ideally at 4k 120p
Thanks for the overview! I’ve been waiting for an R7. Totally agree on the dials though.
Any news on the ibis wobble at 18mm?
Test shots looked great guys!
Already preordered an R7, it should pair nicely with my 100-500 for wildlife and BIF photography. Along with my R6, I should be good to go for some time!
Until the next great thing comes along. 😳
It looks like, with video-on attached to the on-off switch, the R7 has 3 programmable custom modes for video as well as photo. That function is sorely lacking on the R6. I also presume that's a full-size HDMI port under that door. How did video nerd Jordan not touch on the HDMI since he's always complaining about mini/micro HDMI ports?
Micro HDMI port. Jordan is annoyed.
Still waiting for nikon to put out that D500 repleacement
I was watching the EOS R6 Review last night from 2020. Jordan's Amadeus shirt has seen much better days.
Winter is the best time to visit Orlando, although it is a pity sunset is so early.
Best reviews on these new cameras
so many new cameras lately, but so little glass, cameras are already really good, i'd love to see more compact lenses
At last an APS-C mirrorless. I have been waiting for long. The R7 seems to to be the spiritual successor of 7D. And i love 7D. I have one. Hope to test and get the R7.
Just one berry berry important Question. Does the evf blank out while using continues shoot mode???
I like how Chris his eyes spell murder and mayhem during the Leaf-blower noise. It adds some realism
It would have been nice to see how an adapted EF-S lens like the 17-55mm f2.8 do on these
So what happens to Canon’s M-series cameras? It seems unlikely they would support two lens mounts for APS-C going forward. Are those in the M-mount system SOL for future camera and lens releases?
I love the way one of the men widen his eyes when showing auto focus function. :)
I’m glad he mentioned the size of the lenses being too much for the r10. I was wondering if maybe pairing it with the rf 600mm 7.1 would be a better fit
I am a teacher and will be adding a few more cameras for next year. In my opinion, the R10 and R7 don't offer enough for the money for me to change my mind from just getting more cheap T series Canon dslr's given my use. I did just get them an R6 however for night sports. All things considered, the R6 is the real bargain in Canon's line up.
Please compare these cameras to the EOS Mark 6 II.
I am an enthusiast photographer with my main focus documenting family, namely my 3 kids as they grow up. I'm mainly shooting portraits and capturing video. I have been shooting with a Canon 40D for years, and it has served me well, but its time to upgrade. I wanted to upgrade to mirrorless but was not impressed in the reviews for the R and RP. I was hoping that the R7 or R10 would be a full frame sensor. It seems that everyone is stating that the R7 is ideal for sports and wildlife, which are not my focus. I want to take photos and videos of my family, and be able to capture good video.
Should I go with the R7 or with the R or RP?
Both seem great cameras. I currently have a canon m6 mkii and the R7 with the IBIS sounds and looks amazing but is it worth the higher price over R10? I don't do much video. Also no way to use any of my EFM lenses is a bummer.
To me, this is to just get the low end, beginner market again, especially with the R10. I can't see them fleshing out the APS-C RF lens line-up, just as they didn't do a lot with the DSLR APS-C lenses. The R7 could be useful for birders and people that need the extra reach of the crop though.. I have a Canon 70D, and will be going to Full frame as soon as I can scrounge enough money to make the transfer with a couple of lenses, but it's most likely going to be Sony Full Frame. I may consider something like a R10 as a replacement for my 70D as a short term upgrade, (if it is an upgrade for me) but here in Australia, The R7 is only $100 less than a Sony A7III, so I wouldn't want to spend that kind of money for a stop gap camera, I would just spend the money on going full frame.
OMG you guys are right down the street from me. I live in Celebration. I wish I new you were here. I would love to meet you.
Except the X-S10 is full of dead pixels (after the first shoot), that don't go away... or at least the two brand new ones I got did. So I swopped it out for an X-T3 and I didn't have any issues... Except the on/off switch getting stiff until barely movable when the camera gets hot and it's less than a year old.
Trying to figure out if Fuji in South Africa is a joke or if the brand is not as good as I hoped for it to be.
Really strange there’s no battery grip option. Why did Canon do this?
before I consider getting the R7, I'll have to check out the lists of compatable EF lenses that can shoot FULL fps in mechanical..if there is one.
A very interesting comparison would be R7 vs EOS R with RF 14-35 F4 L
Could you guys do a comparison between the R7 and the R6? Though they seem very different, a lot of people could genuinely be looking to choose between these models? The new "RF-S" lenses will fit on the same RF lens mount & just be smaller (& lighter) to form a smaller image circle? Will R7 & R10 work with existing RF lenses?
Definitely a strange comparison possibly, but I'm looking at the Canon R7 vs either a Sony A7iii or an A7C. Canon has super fps in comparison, and much higher resolution rear screen, but it's APS-C and Canon glass is SO expensive. On the other hand the Sony's are full frame with much more flexible (imo) variety of lens options at various price points. As of today on B&H = Canon R7 is $1,599 - Sony A7C is $1,698, and A7iii is $1,798.
Nice, very nice that Canon included 10bit capabilities with these! Now I wondering if the recording time limitation can be removed from my R6 via firmware! Canon proved with the R7 & R10 we can record time unlimited! Thanks!
@text me on Instagram@Official_dpreview Hi. Hope you are doing fine. Is this the way to get in contact?
Would you go APSC R7? Maybe - if it proved to be Nikon D500 beater. (You can get a used D500 for $1200 - so the R7 will have to be fantastic. R7 vs D500 will be the comparison to see.
The R line is getting confusing
Really thinking about adding an R7 to my EOS R instead of trading the R for an R6. The R7 & 100-500mm combination looks great for wildlife photography and the RF 70-200mm would be great for sports photography. I wonder how that would perform for photographing the moon?
I have the r5, r6 and the EOS R, and i would pick up another Eos R before picking up any of these cameras. EOS R, is an amazing camera still today!
After watching the GH6 and the Leica 9mm video before this, I understand that the GH6 is more expensive, but it is impressive how great video is on that camera. This Canon has some great photo chops though.
Chris, one thing you didn't mentions about the Fujifilm camer price, within a year, it drop 60%.
Great review as always guys, I think canon r7 is a great camera for video and photo, right now I'm using Fujifilm xt 3, interesting fact is that Fujifilm xt 3 released around 4 years ago but still it can compete with canon r7! What do you think guys?
xt3 worse autofocus, low megapixel, 30 minute record limit, low fps for photos. xt3 is fine if you want to do manual focus.
@@truthseeker6804 not the the worse autofocus, it's your opinion, and if update firmware you will have better autofocus, I'm taking about video if compare video xt 3 has great capabilities record with 400 Mbps.
Great job on the video guys. Looks like a fun trip! As an EF-M user I'm not thrilled to see the M5 Mark II released as an RF mount camera, but I get the whole wanting to match Sony/Nikon and please the one mount multiple sensor format people. It does hurt to see I'll never get the longer per clip video recording times in-camera on EF-M. Bought a Ninja V to do that with the M6ii (plus h.265 8-bit for storage savings). Maybe another used M6ii is in my future until I see what Sony and Nikon come up with moving forward. ;D Might as well buy only used EF-M gear at this point unless there is a big discount discontinuation sale.
9:15 battery oopsy. ;D I once made a video where I called "FOV" "perspective" instead. Still hurts me to this day because the video is one of my more popular ones lately, heh.
m6ii records for 30 minute, this has no recording limit.
@@truthseeker6804 per clip
Any idea if a battery grip will be available for the R7?
Im impressed. R7:
- two card slots
- ibis
- weather sealed
- digic x
- dual pixel af II
- 32mb
-1499 seems good 👍
Something about the way Jordan said “They’re so handsome!” made me burst out laughing as I was quietly watching this at my desk haha
I can tell I've been around cameras too long because my first thought was to scan the spec sheet and ask "Ok, how did Canon manage to cripple these this time?"
The len is crippled, no BSI is crippled... depending on how you set the cripple hammer standards
The low-res EVFs.
Tho you don't care about FSI vs BSI as with micro-lenses and light-pipes as the differences are minimal at this sensor size.
Video was cripple hammered pretty good.
Good review. What I think the R7 will hurt is the up coming Fujifilm X-H2S which is $1000 MORE. Is the new revised AF on the X-H2S really up the the Dual Pixel standards? Please do a comparison review on these two cameras. Thanks.
Finally ibis in crop camera! Could ef-s lenses be adapted with r7 and r10?
yes with adapter
Please make comparison video on Sony, Nikon, Fuji and Panasonic with R10 and R7. This will help us to compare and buy the perfect camera.
I hit the Like button first before watching. Thanks for the video.
Cool cameras! Now it's time for Canon to make a rangefinder style camera like the old Canonet with a fixed lens ❤️
Ordered the R7, can't wait to play around around with it. I'm moving over from the M50, so this is a heck of an upgrade for me.
I wouldn't even bother with these 2, I'm waiting for the RP2 and see what that brings.
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I would go full frame if I had full frame lenses, or had the money to replace all/some of mine with FF. As is, I'll have to stick with Canon APS-C.
Great and detailed first impression! One question: why did you test the buffers using C-RAW and not regular RAW?
Spambots only for dpreview... 🤦
Because it writes faster to the card
I believe it’s buffer is about 100 for c-raw.
Don't know if I should get this and use it as an upgrade path to a canon full frame down the road, or wait for the Fujifilm xh2s which will be by far the king of aps c...with a price tag to match most likely
Sorry if I missed it. Can you describe the EVF experience? Was there bothersome black-out with mechanical shutter? Compare with other R series please.
I am from India R10 is going to be around 80k here (body only) , for extra 10k you can just get the Fujifilm X-S10 (which has ibis and good lens options)😑, for 70k you can get the sony a6400 (which has a lot of apsc lens
option)
They should have priced it around the xt200 price range in my opinion.
Guys, have you ever recorded a video explaining downsampling or oversampled video meaning? Thanks
Thank you for the review.
How does R10 with ibis hold against R7 for handheld photography?
R10 doesnt have IBIS, it'll rely on Lens IS.
Why did they change the control wheels? Don’t Canon have any contact with actual users? It would have been interesting to see a poll about the control wheels amongst existing Canon users.
Learn something new
I am buying it for wildlife 🥰 thanks Canon.
Tell Canon to make something like RF-S 15-55mm f1.8 IS USM lens to accomodate those specs in the R7. That would be like their RF 28-70mm f2 for APS-C mirrorless line-up.
A very balanced review. Excellent job
Also.. M amount officially dead?
It's great seeing solid APS-C cameras.
#APSCLIVES
At 1:28 the photo is really @6400ISO?? @1/160s?? Was it shot in a cave? It clean like glacier water. Wasn't it ISO640?
I’m looking forward to seeing more burstlapse videos coming out from the R7.
Great video gents as always, thanks. I have the t6i, was thinking of upgrading to the 90D previously, but I knew the r7 was coming down the pipe, how would you say it is compared for autofocus, the 90d and r7. Thanks.
you guys do great reviews - thank you
Are you kidding they didn't even inquire about if the bodies will be offered in red (like his shirt) or white in addition to black. Some journalist.. ;)
I would stick with full frame RP over the R7. Just my opinion.