This is the exact point i noticed in the debate between Kramnik and Danya. Whenever Daniel wanted to prove something, Kramnik moved to the next point without allowing him to. It was clear from the start that he didnt want to be proven wrong.
Another thing that Kramnik categorically does not understand in this case is specificity. When you test for something (e.g. in medicine) you hope for a high sensitivity (when the problem is there the test sounds the alarm) and for a high specificity (when the problem is not there, the test does not sound an alarm). None of the accusations by Kramnik have a high specificity. In other words, he has not found a single behavior that would be even remotely specific to someone cheating. If he was honest about cheating prevention as his goal, he would want to optimize both sensitivity and specificity. But he only cranks up the sensitivity to 11. In other words, if there is the slightest sign of a behavior that a cheater would show, he sounds the alarm. But he seems to not care about mowing down everyone else how shows these quite normal behaviors in the meantime. With this attitude, you can accuse everyone of cheating. And by this point, his attacks are arbitrary personal attacks against the victims he chooses. If this continues, I think he should be held accountable for his behavior, both by the chess community and potentially a court.
I agree 100%. Going around and accusing everyone of cheating without any reasonable evidence is behavior that should be absolutely stopped and punished
Yes, this is what needs to be considered as part of “you should be able to question anyone”. The terms “sensitive”/“specific” might be too technical, but the idea is surely fundamental to statistical considerations. (As is difference between a chesscom elo, and a fide elo).
Another way to express the argument is that one does not want many false negatives (low sensitivity) but at the same time does not want to have many false positives (low specificity). Kramnik does not seem to care about positive tests being false. He apparently thinks that any positive contributes to corroborating the accusation, whether it is true or not.
What is so especially infuriating about this whole thing is that Danya is, as nearly everyone who pays attention is aware, one of the most friendly, most polite, most reasonable, most thoughtful, most intelligent, and most insightful of all public figures in the chess world. His commentary is as good as it gets; many (including me) think that he is the best commentator in the world in terms of explaining the action to the "average" person. His ability to commentate a blitz game is beyond phenomenal. When he interviews anyone at any time, he is unfailingly polite and respectful. He works extremely hard to teach chess to players at all levels, and does it both online and in-person. He is, of course, widely recognized by the world's top GMs as one of the finest bullet players in the world; he has played many of them both OTB and online in all sorts of formats. The fact that Kramnik has chosen Danya, of ALL people, as the primary target of his malicious attacks shows that he is deeply, deeply disturbed and has gone beyond the bounds of rational discussion. His current actions are beyond contempt, and possibly criminal. He deserves to be rejected and shunned by the world's chess community.
Danya is very charismatic, photogenic, great teacher, and a legit strong GM. That's why it's extra shocking when he looked at engine lines a few times. If even a guy like Danya does it, who else? Likely the majority of titled players. Many top GMs have confessed to occasionally turning on the engine while playing online in casual games (no prize money). It's just so easy.
I'm feeling for Danya. His videos have helped me a lot to improve my chess. He's the sole reason i can do bishop-knight checkmate in like a minute. He's a pure soul I can bet my life on that. He doesn't deserve this. I hope things get better for him.
@@SenatorBlutoeveryone is not a saint. But why kramnik need to assume he is the only saint who is the victim of all the other chess players who are according to him not even legitimate chess players but just a whole bunch of cheaters? Why is it that only he is allowed to win? Heck, I would say we need stats of kramnik's online games and have similar kind of nerve wrecking interviews for him as well.
Respect for Vishy increases so much after seeing how age has affected Kramnik. The man played a match against billionare who was using stockfish and still didnt say anything
The thing is, kramnik is not that old. He never was a better or smarter person. It's just that the internet and publicity helped more people to see his real level of intelligence.
Not saying anything about stupid cheating stunts is not aging gracefully either. But Anand is generally such a good example for a sane former world champion.
@@nilsp9426well in that context it was a charity event so Anand let it slide as he probably didn’t want to ruin the atmosphere, but in his humouring style indicated that he obviously knew what was up. After the event basically everyone called the cheater out on twitter relentlessly…
@@denniseldridge9266 Yeah same. I'm a bit of a video essay addict who's just casually gotten into history the last few years, and I would binge the heck out of any Danya educational content about this and any other history interests he may have
Fabi is such a thoughtful speaker. I love it! After watching this video, I think Danya is very much in the clear. I'd love it if he now just ignores the noise and continues his speedrun for the benefit of his audience.
Danya, only the nutters are buying anything Kramnik says. Politics have taught me to stop caring at all what the nutters think. They don't deserve our mental energy or time. Hopefully you'll be able to push this aside and focus on the things and people that bring you joy. Kramnik is a paranoid, egomaniacal sociopath. And that's how he'll be remembered. You will be remembered as an honest GM with good intentions that only wants the best for the chess community.
100%, it's really a shame this is taking a toll on Danya when clearly Kramnik is always in denial when proven wrong and just changing the subject. first it's about cheating, then the problem is farming, then whatever else, wtf does farming have to do in this context?
Kramnik’s argument is the equivalent of: “There is confirmed video of Danya jaywalking. This is unmistakable. It is a criminal act, and he has committed it. I’m not saying he is a murderer, but as a criminal he should be investigated for any crimes in his general area. I’m just asking questions.”
While my chess rating is only about 1200, I am a professional mathematician and a published author in mathematics (Oxford). In listening directly to Kramnik's own words (video recording) and reading his own words (assumedly) over the past few months, it is clear to me that he has very little knowledge on statistics himself AND either he is being given very poor advice (mathematically) or he's lying about consulting with mathematicians. I'm sorry if this sounds arrogant, but it's really obvious when someone who isn't an expert in statistics starts talking rubbish. (I imagine GMs or IMs would immediately be able to tell that I'm not an expert in chess a few seconds into listening to me talk about my chess.) There's no doubt: mathematically speaking, Kramnik's doesn't understand statistics and is simply making ridiculous accusations across the board. Although that IS my professional opinion, I must add that a human being, I have a bias. I think Danya is the best chess commentator in the world (sorry @GothemChess), a great content creator, an obviously brilliant chess player, and all-round complete legend. Also shoutout to GM Caruana, you're a legend too! Congrats on the recent win.
Kramnik has been publicly told as much by other mathematicians and has still responded by insisting they are incorrect or misrepresenting him. That should tell you how willing he is to receive feedback on his methodology. Long before this cheating crusade began, Kramnik was notorious for spouting completely spurious lines in post-match interviews to try to convince the public he was winning, which engines have easily disproved. He has a pathological tendency to lie and to refuse to acknowledge error which is likely indicative of a personality disorder.
You don't need to have anywhere near your level of prowess in mathematics to realise how little Kramnik understands about statistics. He'd argue that a coin must be biased if it shows 10 heads in a row, even if the previous 50,000 flips all showed no other long chains.
I'm a huge fan of all kinds of strategy games and generally someone who is into one kind of strategy game is into others. I would say the majority of strategy games lend themselves to teaching sort of a basic understanding of statistics and how numbers work on small/medium/large scales. Unless chess is the only game Kramnik has ever played in his life I can't believe he doesn't understand how numbers work at some sort of basic level at least. I think he is actually suffering from some kind of paranoid mental disorder.
I mean it's beyond horrific the most nonsensical and absurd uses of statitistics Kramnik has been using since day 1. It's so bad faith it becomes so hard believe that it's not just being intentionally evil
Thanks to Cristian and Fabi for giving Danya this platform to vent and explain things. You can see how much he needed it. If he ever decides to sue Kramink, I'll donate to a fund for it if one is set up.
Glad to hear a long format conversation where Danya is able to properly go through everything and defend himself from these absurd allegations that have absolutely no merit from a former world champion. The fact that the accusations continued to fly even after Danya had 5 cameras up for Titled Tuesday just tells you everything you need to know.
I did find Danya's speedruns ( 39:30 onwards) to be among the most useful chess-related material out there. Explaining how to a GM would approach the kind of positions that arise in amateur games and turn them into an advantage is extremely valuable.
So many good comments, but i want to leave one more just to make your support a little louder, Danya. This must be so hard. I hope this experience only makes you stronger in the end. There might be valuable lessons and skills that only hard times can teach even if this is so hard to see in the moment and is so much easier said than done. You can do it!
Danya looks SO stressed out man. It's actually time to do something about Kramnik. He should be completely shunned from the chess world at this point because he's HURTING people! If he keeps this insanity up for long enough, he should risk being stripped of his title. This is no joke.
But has Danya ever explained where he keeps looking during games? It's exactly the same behaviour e.g. people with a radar hack in FPS games exhibit. And it's not glancing somewhere, he is highly focused on what he looks at.
@@gast1981 If I ever meet you in real life, and I see you move your eyes in ANY direction, I will tell everyone that you are a murderer and should locked up in jail
I remember Nepo saying in one of the interviews how he used stockfish during a game with Neman, when he had a suspicion that the latter was cheating against him. That to me felt like a worse violation, yet nobody seemed to comment on it. Here's the interview (in Russian, but has subtitles): ruclips.net/video/_8rBWqaImPE/видео.htmlsi=58t7G9BUACMqXUe-&t=2972
Есть видео с Морозевичем, где он рассказывает, что играл с чужим аккаунтом против Шорта. Шорт выигрывал у Морозевича и тогда Морозевич включил компьютер, но всё равно не смог выиграть у Шорта. Это значит, что читеры находятся среди пяти сильнейших шахматистов. Онлайн шахматы - мертвы.
new pod just dropped edit: just finished watching the pod. i really feel for danya. usually, i find myself particularly jaded from all of kramnik's bs, but i have so much respect for danya as a person, player, and educator that this one isn't going over my head. hopefully danya's mental and physical health recovers soon and that kramnik finally stops firing accusations every direction known to man, as convinced as i am that the latter won't come to fruition. thanks for giving danya a platform for this, fabi and cristian.
I think Fabi nailed it when he said this has gotten personal for Kramnik. Seems like he refuses to listen to any type of reason at all and is fueled by emotion and feeling.
This has nothing to do with chess, or emotion or feeling. This is a Russian propaganda campaign to destroy trust in top level chess whilst they are banned from it using a man heavily rumoured to have been helped by them to win a world championship.
Fischer against the world.... Kramnik against the world.... See where I am getting? We are witnessing a sane man going mad. Google says that paranoia might develop within months, particularly in response to intense stress or traumatic events.
Danya has been beyond patient and I totally understand his increasing exasperation. As Danya says it’s fine to privately suspect people but unacceptable to launch a public crusade against them. I hope Danya is able to slowly tune this out and keep making great chess content
Danya will be remembered as one of, if not THE best and most far reaching GM chess educator in history. The amount of amazing content he's put out is a gift to every chess lover out there. THANK YOU DANYA ❤
This. It was as if Christian was whispering and Fabiano was yelling. I had to keep lowering the Audi and raising the audio depending on who was talking.
@@chicassoproductions8527 Yeah, I've often had that problem. For me the worst is when Fabi's volume is really wobbly up and down. When that combines with the reverb his audio also often has, I just can't understand anything he says. At least, not without closely focusing my entire brain on it (which is never how I want a podcast to be, like, I'm tryna sew here I need my brain lol). Fabi seriously just needs a better mic, that one change would drastically improve all of their content
1:50:44 Even during Danya's other game with the fishing pole trap, Kramnik paused the video just before Danya said that he is looking at an earlier position with the engine. Kramnik then implied that Danya is looking at the current position aka cheating. Really dishonest.
@kramnikstudentc24 Are you stupid? He already said it was wrong, We're currently discussing the actual *impact* of it. It's not very impactful at all since it does not actually help you in the current position! And Kramnik was talking about it as if he was looking at the current position! The details do actually matter
@@kramnikstudentc24 You are either the biggest omega clown kramnik meatrider or a troll that pushes kramnik on to watch the world burn. My brain says you are a troll but my heart says you are a 🤡❤️
Kramnik is just excellent at choosing which facts to point out and which ones to ignore. Then using these facts to tell lies. It’s clever and calculated, and, sadly, fooling a lot of people
@@kramnikstudentc24 even Dayna has said he shouldn't have done that, but to point that out as evidence of him cheating currently/in games that actually matter is ridiculous. It would be look accusing Shaq of cheating because he double dribbled in a pick-up game vs middle schoolers. No.
Nothing much he can do against a paranoid Russian. I think the worst part is someone asked Kramnik when he livestreamed if there was ANYTHING Danya could do to convince him he was not cheating and he answered probably not 🤦♂
@@builderphill1361 You don't extradite people for civil cases. If Kramnik were served with a suit, chose not to defend it, and he was found to have caused damages, compensation could be awarded in his absence. I'd be surprised if Kramnik had no assets in the US, and even if he didn't there are ways to recover from other countries.
Danya says "It never occurred to me that people could interpret this in such a twisted manner." That basically sums it up. Sucks to see it's taking such a toll on him.
There is an infamous saying: "If you are not careful you will turn into the very thing you despise the most". Kramnik went through a similar version of this vs Topalov, the Toiletgate scandal. Topalov and his manager accused him of using engine help during bathroom breaks during their WC match in 2006. One would think that Kramnik would know what it's like to be the victim of baseless accusations. Apparently not. He's now doing the same thing to others... It's a damn shame. Kramnik was a heck of a player, perhaps my favorite back in the day. I loved the way he played, that positional style rock solid chess. Seems like retirement has hit him hard and he's lost the last verges of his sanity.
Someone should definitely plant the seed in Kramnik's head that Magnus might not be who he says he is. Do it in a subtle enough way and he'll never be able to let go of it. It's really not that far-fetched that this could happen; after all, Kramnik suspects Hikaru and Hikaru really isn't far behind Magnus in strength at all.
@@kohnr3381 Hikaru had the best year worldwide in classical OTB last year and that nut job still called him a cheater. If you're accusing the #2 in the world of cheating when hes clearly dominating everyone OTB and online then you cant be reasoned with.
Feel for Danya. He doesn't deserve this. He's a genuinely great commentator and compared to gotham a much more instructive and educational teacher. Kramnik's behaviour is appalling. Also, if you look closely, Danya always darts his eyes left and right - even when he's being interviewed. It's the way he is - a bit shifty most likely caused by mild social anxiety. Kramnik should pay heed to this
He wants Danya to pay him, and make money out of him just like what he did with Niemann (became his coach), and Martinez (TV Special). When he found out he's not getting from Hikaru, he turned to the smaller fish with money as well. Kramnik is a disgust!ng old man.
Yes, he’s probably a psychopath and trying to gain some sort of financial advantage by generating all this publicity. He’s turning into an irrelevant aging chess grifter. Sad
Many thanks for the professional interview. This video was perfect to clear up misconceptions (I didn't know I had) on the whole strange situation. Hang in there Danya, you're golden.
I mean it does exist once you step out into the real world. Many cases of doping are actually being handled this way (not saying that it's a good thing).
The dude would be a perfect judge or prosecutor in Russia, actually. He's like a badly written character from a propaganda movie from the cold war, the archetypical corrupt soviet judge.
@@Stony2103 actually yes, it sucks. I was rooting for him when he played against Leko in 2004. Just sad to see. Something tells me he suffers from something similar to what made Fischer mad.
This man's educational speed runs are insanely instructive more than any youtube content i watched , his love and passion for the game is obvious , total support for you Danya , tough times make u stronger , you will get through it
Kramnik is sullying other people's hard word and lifetime earned reputation at this point. Its ironic coming from him who was accused of cheating in a proper OTB tournament. It feels like he has some grudge against a few people and doesnt want to listen to any logic. He wont ever accept he was wrong. If he didnt accept even after Jospem played a full tournament on his terms, then why will he now?
Danya should just ignore Kramnik at this point. Kramnik, like any other online troll feeds off attention, ignore him and he will focus on a different target soon enough.
Thanks for the episode. It’s nice to see that you guys are giving him the time and platform to share his thoughts on the whole situation. I hope Danya rests and decides to move on from all of this. No more energy should be spent on Kramnik’s accusations.
I think this episode was fantastic. I’m 100% on Danya’s side and I expect most rational thinking people are too. You can really tell how personal this attack is. I feel bad for Danya and hopefully this whole thing has no lasting impact on his well being.
I practically never watch Danya, but I always heard how most super GM's are respecting his skills in Blitz and Bullet. This interview was super interesting.
How dare he come after naroditsky my goat. Genuinely Danya is the classiest, most humorful, informative, grandmasters you can look up to. He helped me hit 2000 in 2 years simply from the education and genuine passion he puts into the game. Whether it’s the history he adds, his unique style, his personality is the main reason for me going on my own chess journey and I know many others feel the same. But above chess, what a standup guy. These people and accusers are living in a chess bubble and it’s pretty disappointing. There is 0 validity or credibility to these claims and those who rally them lose so much respect from me and others. It’s just disappointing how far a former world champion can push something with the only reason its getting attention is his former prowess. Truly shows that no title or ELO can measure the man. And Danya is 100x the man
I had a bipolar family member who went through episodes of psychosis where he would say the wildest shit and firmly believe it.. it was scary. Kramnik reminds me of that.
Does anyone think Kramnik is doing this to make money? By engaging with his accusations, you are increasing the number of people who will go on to watch his streams. He is basically going after streamers with the most viewers to gain traction. I think he has seen how much money people like Hikaru and Levy are making through streams and he is getting in on it.
Danya has definitely lost weight and just does not look healthy since this all started. I hope he finds his footing and has all the support he needs. Love you Danya.
well, let's not get carried away, Fischer was really gone at the end, Kramnik is obviously on his way, but he still has a long way to go to get to Fischer insanity.
@@sliceserve234do u even know what fischer said? He said the Jays control the US. In 2022 AIPAC donated money to 365 congressional candidates to make them support Israel. He wasnt crazy, he was right
Thank you very much for not editing out the rightfully angry and unfiltered Danya. Kramnik deserves every single one of those words. Beatch... yeah! We love you Danya!
the jospem thing is hilarious. someone seriously needs to sit Kramnik down and go through some of the (if : then) logical implications he is attempting to sell. Kramnik and all his minions. If you ever needed proof that these Chess elites arent by necessity intellectual elites this is it. its like a very wide very shallow pool with one dime sized bore hole of greater depth. While they have him sitting and listening also add some basic fundamentals of law, and philosophy of science while youre at it because this guy is an embarrassment. At least outside of Soviet allegation lord 80s iron curtain society with secret police and everyone trying to rat on and slander their neighbors.
My. Jaw. Dropped. Naroditsky dropping an f-bomb in the open and just being so open open about his experience with this whole thing... whew! Seeing a whole different side of danya - and rightfully so: Naming harm when it happens is important!
Kramnik has made his life's work to prove that just because someone is good at chess, that doesn't equate to them being intelligent. He doesn't understand statistics, he doesn't understand psychology, he doesn't understand human behaviour, he doesn't understand computer engineering and computer science, he doesn't understand scientific method. Yet, he considers himself qualified to talk about all these subjects because he was good at pushing some wooden chunks over a table at some point in his life.
Didn't Hikaru say he did not finish school? You've got a person who did not finish school, but rather got a lottery in talent at a board game, talking statistics, psychology, etc. He seems to think his expertise pushing pawns means he's good at almost everything else.
A really good podcast, although if there's any evil "mafia" at work it is the shitty RUclips algorithm which priorities clickbait and cringe content over useful educational material - plenty of the other big chess streamers would make far better videos if they weren't forced to produce this garbage just to be seen
GM Danya is a precious gem of the chess community and the best endgame teacher on planet Earth! I can't imagine a more humble GM that has given so much chess wisdom to the world for free. how can anyone take this absurd theater from Kramnik seriously?
Or cash in on it - play a series of over the board games, naroditsky Vs Niemann to show the world that both of them are legit grandmasters and silence the haters from both camps (and probably kramnik too)
Kramnik stated in his response that he would love to come on this podcast and explain his position, but he is sure he won't be invited. I sincerely hope you guys do invite him back, as crazy and vindictive as he might be. The way he interprets events (and words sometimes) is really difficult for me to understand, but I feel like he might behave differently being interviewed by somebody with Fabi's level of Prestige.
1:03:47 Christian: "It's like when the wife accuses you of cheating in her dream, and gets upset at you in the morning." This is so funny cause every guy understands the absurdity of this.
Danya has to discover that his engagement with the Kramnik fire per se makes the Kramnik fire more sustainable (because there's nothing to talk about in the first place EXCEPT _responses_ to that nothing that there was to talk about lol)
It's important to realise that whatever this is, it's not an evidence-based discussion, and responding to Kramnik with evidence will almost certainly not help at all. The chances are that it will only lead to further stress and mental and physical harm. At some point the best course of action may be to accept that Kramnik will not change his mind and continue with your chess in the best way possible. There is a very important broad, general point here - this really is not about evidence and reason. Sane, reasonable, highly intelligent, high achieving people in many fields become crackpots. You really can't do anything about it other than accept it. Stress can sometimes usefully be defined as not being in control. Take control.
Excellent point, and Fabi is struggling with this as well. He and Cristian keep asking how Kramnik responded to this or that bit of evidence, or saying that they just can't see the logic behind some of Kramnik's thinking. Yes, of course you can't, because there ISN'T any logic or rational reasoning or behind it--there is only pathology. It's much more a psychiatric problem than a legal or rational problem.
How is it not evidence-based? I love Danya as a commentator and chess-educator, but it's very obvious that there are strange things happening with him (where he looks, the reflections behind him etc.), but all those are evidence that something is fishy. It's not proof, but it definitely is eveidence.
@@gast1981 No, they are absolutely not evidence of anything except--as some other commentor pointed out--personal peculiarities that many if not most chess players and streamers share. Of course many chess players--and streamers in general--look around, back and forth, up and down, in all different directions, while they are talking, thinking, or concentrating. Many people in many circumstances do it. I do it, when I'm working on something on the computer or on a Zoom call. Danya may do it more than average--some do it more, some do it less--but in itself it's meaningless. The actual truth is that Kramnik is off his rocker and deeply malicious; that's what's hard to accept. At this point, I think Hikaru's attitude is the only proper one: Tell Kramnik to GFHS and make no further response.
@@zyabayz101 But its not "general-look around" - its highly focused looking at something. Very highly focused. The very exact same way players that use e.g. a radar hacks in FPS games do. And it's not chat. It's not the clock. So what is it? So, yes, it definitely is evidence that something fishy is going on. Not proof, but reason enough to seriously question what's going on.
@@gast1981 If you seriously suspect that Danya is cheating again sub-2000 players in order to--what, gain a few Blitz rating points?--then there's not much I can say to you. He obviously doesn't make money from his alleged cheating, and he has many times demonstrated that he has the skills to play the absolute best bullet players in the world--Magnus, Hikaru, and Alireza--in competitive matches. (Just listen to what Fabi says about it in this interview; Fabi says that in 1+0 against Danya, he would have no chance.) There is not the SLIGHTEST incentive for him to do any of the ridiculous things that he is accused of by Kramnik.
Pretty obvious Kramnik's agenda is not against cheating because otherwise he wouldn't be working with Niemann, who admitted to cheating in "meaningless online games", it's purely personal and cherrypicked.
I think Kramnik's agenda is against hypocrisy. He was banned for using another account (a violation), Hans was banned for using an engine (a violation) and Danya, works for that same platform and has admitted engine use offense...
If Russia were to implement a campaign to destroy trust in top level chess in response to being banned it would look an awful lot like this. Using a guy heavily rumoured to have been helped by them.
I honestly don't think this has anything to do with chess or cheating. This is a disinformation campaign. Reality and facts are irrelevant. And that's exactly how it's playing out. And yeah the Niemann thing is just the cherry on top of this insanity cake.
Danya is as polite and professional as any streamer I've ever seen. He does more for the community than most, and has helped countless players improve their game. I don't understand the hate.
I agree with Kramnik that cheating is a big problem. Unfortunately the people he accused are not the cheaters. Naka is just a comical accusation. Talking about one of the few who hit 2800+.
Danya, it's really sad and troubling to see you so upset, it's so clear all across your face. Please, please, please just ignore Kramnik, he is being a complete troll and is cyber bullying. It is disgraceful. I am 100% behind you and I can imagine that the vast majority of the English speaking chess community is also. Keep your head up and ignore the negativity, you will come out of this as clean as you came into it. Kramnik can go to hell, I have zero respect for him now, he is a complete bully and a coward.
I think Kramniks reach can not only be explained by his WC status, but also by people loving an underdog against the evil system story. These kinds of general feelings and attitudes blind people to the details. It is the same reason why greenwashing works: people want it to be true, even though every part of it screams "this is a scam" and there are countless news segments on it for years. In that regard I highly value Fabi's insistence on being an independent party and his willingness to clearly state his independent, not at all black and white opinions.
It is the paranoid conspiracy theorist mentality. There are quite a lot of mentally cracked paranoid people out there willing to believe any nonsense, especially if it is similar to "champion of truth against shadowy elite". Sadly, a lot of them can't be reasoned with. A mere hint of something being off is enough for them to fully believe there is a conspiracy. And more you try to disprove it, the more convinced they get because they don't trust your intentions. As a final resort they just claim evidence is fabricated. Arguing with conspiracy theorists is futile. Ignore them or file defamation lawsuits.
Kramnik has a pattern of behavior when losing online. If you beat Kramnik in a way that frustrates him online, he will immediately suspect you're cheating. He then proceeds to mouth off about it on Twitter. After he cools off, he plays the game where he says "stop playing the victim I'm just asking questions". Rinse and repeat. If Kramnik was genuinely concerned about cheating, he would go about it differently. These are instead temper tantrums caused by losing online. Ian constantly jumping in and agreeing with Kramnik every time he does this, is far more annoying. If Ian believes these GM's are cheating already, why does he always wait for Kramnik to have a meltdown before mentioning it? A bunch of Russian GM's are losing games and accusing their opponents of cheating... It's a day that ends in y.
This makes me feel really bad for Danya & also Hikaru from a mental health standpoint. Hikaru mentioned leaving chess altogether. The unfounded accusations are doing more harm than good
Fabi is honesty and common sense personified, the chess world is blessed to have him. Kramnik, on the other hand, has clearly lost his marbles, very sad.
Fabi is great. And very impartial. It was good to see him with enough backbone to still say the BC8 move was weird, even in Danya's company (he didn't look happy!). Always very balanced.
Anyone who has been around chess for any length of time knows of Kramnik's character. He is the worst kind of bully. The one that was bullied in school for his weakness, so when he works to get any power, instead of "i will make sure no one has to endure what I did' he chose "now it's my turn!" He's a coward, a liar, and a criminal
Now you described it, I also would vote for this picture. The old Kramnik comes out as a bidder loser in life. Counting the days until he is divorced and moves back to Russia, since he remained just a small town primitive.
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You can physically see the strain and stress taking a toll on danya's health.
My thoughts go out to you Danya, hope you get through this.♥️
He needs to be tougher.
Of course, he is about to get exposed
@@Hecklerrtroll
Yeah, because he got caught.
Watch the video Kramnik released today. He shows that Danya is almost certainly cheating.
Vladimir never "accuses". He conducts Special Accusation-like Operation
That's a very good way of saying it
hahaha, apparently it is the Russian way
Hahahahah, that's really a good one
Special IMPLICATION Operation!
So accurate
This is the exact point i noticed in the debate between Kramnik and Danya. Whenever Daniel wanted to prove something, Kramnik moved to the next point without allowing him to. It was clear from the start that he didnt want to be proven wrong.
Classic MAGA style
Not only does he not "want" to be proven wrong, he just won't allow it.
@@kdubjbassexactly MAGA style, basically one sided communication
@@IgnacioChavez you guys are absolutely crazy brainwashed and have no idea. You’ll learn next month that most people are not like you. Seek help.
Yep, not in good faith.
In general, I don't argue with anyone who can't converse in good faith. Total waste of time.
Another thing that Kramnik categorically does not understand in this case is specificity. When you test for something (e.g. in medicine) you hope for a high sensitivity (when the problem is there the test sounds the alarm) and for a high specificity (when the problem is not there, the test does not sound an alarm). None of the accusations by Kramnik have a high specificity. In other words, he has not found a single behavior that would be even remotely specific to someone cheating. If he was honest about cheating prevention as his goal, he would want to optimize both sensitivity and specificity. But he only cranks up the sensitivity to 11. In other words, if there is the slightest sign of a behavior that a cheater would show, he sounds the alarm. But he seems to not care about mowing down everyone else how shows these quite normal behaviors in the meantime. With this attitude, you can accuse everyone of cheating. And by this point, his attacks are arbitrary personal attacks against the victims he chooses. If this continues, I think he should be held accountable for his behavior, both by the chess community and potentially a court.
I agree 100%. Going around and accusing everyone of cheating without any reasonable evidence is behavior that should be absolutely stopped and punished
Exactly. Some of the behaviors he is pointing out he himself does as well. Looking away from the monitor/board....EVERYONE does that
Yes, this is what needs to be considered as part of “you should be able to question anyone”.
The terms “sensitive”/“specific” might be too technical, but the idea is surely fundamental to statistical considerations. (As is difference between a chesscom elo, and a fide elo).
Very very well said.
Another way to express the argument is that one does not want many false negatives (low sensitivity) but at the same time does not want to have many false positives (low specificity). Kramnik does not seem to care about positive tests being false. He apparently thinks that any positive contributes to corroborating the accusation, whether it is true or not.
What is so especially infuriating about this whole thing is that Danya is, as nearly everyone who pays attention is aware, one of the most friendly, most polite, most reasonable, most thoughtful, most intelligent, and most insightful of all public figures in the chess world. His commentary is as good as it gets; many (including me) think that he is the best commentator in the world in terms of explaining the action to the "average" person. His ability to commentate a blitz game is beyond phenomenal. When he interviews anyone at any time, he is unfailingly polite and respectful. He works extremely hard to teach chess to players at all levels, and does it both online and in-person. He is, of course, widely recognized by the world's top GMs as one of the finest bullet players in the world; he has played many of them both OTB and online in all sorts of formats. The fact that Kramnik has chosen Danya, of ALL people, as the primary target of his malicious attacks shows that he is deeply, deeply disturbed and has gone beyond the bounds of rational discussion. His current actions are beyond contempt, and possibly criminal. He deserves to be rejected and shunned by the world's chess community.
My thoughts exactly, but with better word choice than I would have come up with. You get a cookie!
No the best commentator is David Howell 100%
Thisss!
@@htwesports8804 No the best commentator is Hikaru Nakamura 100% 💀
Danya is very charismatic, photogenic, great teacher, and a legit strong GM. That's why it's extra shocking when he looked at engine lines a few times. If even a guy like Danya does it, who else? Likely the majority of titled players. Many top GMs have confessed to occasionally turning on the engine while playing online in casual games (no prize money). It's just so easy.
Long live Danya 💪 the chess community knows your integrity. It’s truly a shame how far Kramnik has gone downhill.
Watch Kramniks latest video. He almost proves that Danya is cheating.
''the chess community knows your integrity''
@@user-vt4hd8hb4vhow do they know though
You and your 4 Friends know
By chess community U mean chess fans right? cause chess players think different
I'm feeling for Danya. His videos have helped me a lot to improve my chess. He's the sole reason i can do bishop-knight checkmate in like a minute. He's a pure soul I can bet my life on that. He doesn't deserve this. I hope things get better for him.
And how often did you need that skill ;)
@@ronald3836I had it as a child and didn't know it. The memory always stung so I was so happy when I could do it (also learned it from naroditsky)
Is he such a pure soul?
I don't think so.
time well spent :D
@@SenatorBlutoeveryone is not a saint. But why kramnik need to assume he is the only saint who is the victim of all the other chess players who are according to him not even legitimate chess players but just a whole bunch of cheaters? Why is it that only he is allowed to win? Heck, I would say we need stats of kramnik's online games and have similar kind of nerve wrecking interviews for him as well.
Respect for Vishy increases so much after seeing how age has affected Kramnik. The man played a match against billionare who was using stockfish and still didnt say anything
It's such a pity that not everyone gets to age gracefully. Happens.
@@lollycopterhe eats cow poop, wouldnt call that greceful
The thing is, kramnik is not that old. He never was a better or smarter person. It's just that the internet and publicity helped more people to see his real level of intelligence.
Not saying anything about stupid cheating stunts is not aging gracefully either. But Anand is generally such a good example for a sane former world champion.
@@nilsp9426well in that context it was a charity event so Anand let it slide as he probably didn’t want to ruin the atmosphere, but in his humouring style indicated that he obviously knew what was up. After the event basically everyone called the cheater out on twitter relentlessly…
I would love to watch a series of Danya talking about the witch trials.
@@denniseldridge9266 Yeah same. I'm a bit of a video essay addict who's just casually gotten into history the last few years, and I would binge the heck out of any Danya educational content about this and any other history interests he may have
Which trials?
Fabi is such a thoughtful speaker. I love it! After watching this video, I think Danya is very much in the clear. I'd love it if he now just ignores the noise and continues his speedrun for the benefit of his audience.
Kramnik making Fisher look sane.
Watch Kramniks video from today. He essentially proves cheating.
Fischer was always sane
@@Redheisenberg i was about to write the same, thanks
@@Redheisenberg 💯 a true legend
@@RedheisenbergFischer was too sane. He was on another level “chess” wise
Danya, only the nutters are buying anything Kramnik says. Politics have taught me to stop caring at all what the nutters think. They don't deserve our mental energy or time. Hopefully you'll be able to push this aside and focus on the things and people that bring you joy. Kramnik is a paranoid, egomaniacal sociopath. And that's how he'll be remembered. You will be remembered as an honest GM with good intentions that only wants the best for the chess community.
Exactly.
Nutters and those who haven’t seen the video about reflections. I shouldn’t have watched it and stayed on Danya’s side
thank god for dumb people that dont seek the truth
The nutters are about to elect a convicted felon to be president of the US, you cant just ignore them sometimes
100%, it's really a shame this is taking a toll on Danya when clearly Kramnik is always in denial when proven wrong and just changing the subject. first it's about cheating, then the problem is farming, then whatever else, wtf does farming have to do in this context?
Kramnik’s argument is the equivalent of: “There is confirmed video of Danya jaywalking. This is unmistakable. It is a criminal act, and he has committed it. I’m not saying he is a murderer, but as a criminal he should be investigated for any crimes in his general area. I’m just asking questions.”
I AM NOT ACCUSING HIM OF ABUSING CHILDREN!!
@@sdaiwepm Just asking question should be OK.
@@ronald3836just asking questions would be okay. Saying someone is unmistakenly using an engine is not just asking questions
This is perfect 😂
Reminds me of one of the candidates of US Election..😂😂😂
While my chess rating is only about 1200, I am a professional mathematician and a published author in mathematics (Oxford). In listening directly to Kramnik's own words (video recording) and reading his own words (assumedly) over the past few months, it is clear to me that he has very little knowledge on statistics himself AND either he is being given very poor advice (mathematically) or he's lying about consulting with mathematicians. I'm sorry if this sounds arrogant, but it's really obvious when someone who isn't an expert in statistics starts talking rubbish. (I imagine GMs or IMs would immediately be able to tell that I'm not an expert in chess a few seconds into listening to me talk about my chess.) There's no doubt: mathematically speaking, Kramnik's doesn't understand statistics and is simply making ridiculous accusations across the board.
Although that IS my professional opinion, I must add that a human being, I have a bias. I think Danya is the best chess commentator in the world (sorry @GothemChess), a great content creator, an obviously brilliant chess player, and all-round complete legend. Also shoutout to GM Caruana, you're a legend too! Congrats on the recent win.
Kramnik has been publicly told as much by other mathematicians and has still responded by insisting they are incorrect or misrepresenting him. That should tell you how willing he is to receive feedback on his methodology. Long before this cheating crusade began, Kramnik was notorious for spouting completely spurious lines in post-match interviews to try to convince the public he was winning, which engines have easily disproved. He has a pathological tendency to lie and to refuse to acknowledge error which is likely indicative of a personality disorder.
You don't need to have anywhere near your level of prowess in mathematics to realise how little Kramnik understands about statistics. He'd argue that a coin must be biased if it shows 10 heads in a row, even if the previous 50,000 flips all showed no other long chains.
I'm a huge fan of all kinds of strategy games and generally someone who is into one kind of strategy game is into others. I would say the majority of strategy games lend themselves to teaching sort of a basic understanding of statistics and how numbers work on small/medium/large scales. Unless chess is the only game Kramnik has ever played in his life I can't believe he doesn't understand how numbers work at some sort of basic level at least. I think he is actually suffering from some kind of paranoid mental disorder.
I mean it's beyond horrific the most nonsensical and absurd uses of statitistics Kramnik has been using since day 1. It's so bad faith it becomes so hard believe that it's not just being intentionally evil
@@drunkenhobo8020 Kramnik would flip a coin two times and if it comes up on the same side both times he would accuse it of cheating
Thanks to Cristian and Fabi for giving Danya this platform to vent and explain things. You can see how much he needed it. If he ever decides to sue Kramink, I'll donate to a fund for it if one is set up.
Glad to hear a long format conversation where Danya is able to properly go through everything and defend himself from these absurd allegations that have absolutely no merit from a former world champion. The fact that the accusations continued to fly even after Danya had 5 cameras up for Titled Tuesday just tells you everything you need to know.
I did find Danya's speedruns ( 39:30 onwards) to be among the most useful chess-related material out there. Explaining how to a GM would approach the kind of positions that arise in amateur games and turn them into an advantage is extremely valuable.
@@martinpaddle yes, but sort of irrelevant in this case
@@blunderlab okay. He didn’t say it was. 🥴
So many good comments, but i want to leave one more just to make your support a little louder, Danya.
This must be so hard.
I hope this experience only makes you stronger in the end. There might be valuable lessons and skills that only hard times can teach even if this is so hard to see in the moment and is so much easier said than done.
You can do it!
Danya looks SO stressed out man. It's actually time to do something about Kramnik. He should be completely shunned from the chess world at this point because he's HURTING people! If he keeps this insanity up for long enough, he should risk being stripped of his title. This is no joke.
But has Danya ever explained where he keeps looking during games?
It's exactly the same behaviour e.g. people with a radar hack in FPS games exhibit.
And it's not glancing somewhere, he is highly focused on what he looks at.
@@gast1981 If you've moved your eyes before, you're a cheater
@@gast1981 If I ever meet you in real life, and I see you move your eyes in ANY direction, I will tell everyone that you are a murderer and should locked up in jail
@@gast1981 Yes he has, like 100 times. Including in this interview. You not listening doesn't mean he isn't saying it lol
Don't be so emotional over random person on internet that you never interacted with in real life, not a healthy behavior.
I remember Nepo saying in one of the interviews how he used stockfish during a game with Neman, when he had a suspicion that the latter was cheating against him. That to me felt like a worse violation, yet nobody seemed to comment on it.
Here's the interview (in Russian, but has subtitles):
ruclips.net/video/_8rBWqaImPE/видео.htmlsi=58t7G9BUACMqXUe-&t=2972
Есть видео с Морозевичем, где он рассказывает, что играл с чужим аккаунтом против Шорта.
Шорт выигрывал у Морозевича и тогда Морозевич включил компьютер, но всё равно не смог выиграть у Шорта.
Это значит, что читеры находятся среди пяти сильнейших шахматистов.
Онлайн шахматы - мертвы.
@@FirmaSHELDEM So Short has a faster computer than Morozevich? 😂
sounds disquasting
look like short got hands on better engiens lol@@FirmaSHELDEM
What the hell
new pod just dropped
edit: just finished watching the pod. i really feel for danya. usually, i find myself particularly jaded from all of kramnik's bs, but i have so much respect for danya as a person, player, and educator that this one isn't going over my head.
hopefully danya's mental and physical health recovers soon and that kramnik finally stops firing accusations every direction known to man, as convinced as i am that the latter won't come to fruition.
thanks for giving danya a platform for this, fabi and cristian.
Wait you’re from discord, I saw your message when they first uploaded it!😂
@@Phymacss that's awesome lmao
@@ostensiblyrain lol
Danya's point at 19.50 minutes is key - Krammers refuses to admit when he is wrong. It makes him an unreliable judge.
19:50
Kramnik is nothing but a ruski propaganda tool, he does not even care if he's right or wrong.
I think Fabi nailed it when he said this has gotten personal for Kramnik. Seems like he refuses to listen to any type of reason at all and is fueled by emotion and feeling.
This has nothing to do with chess, or emotion or feeling. This is a Russian propaganda campaign to destroy trust in top level chess whilst they are banned from it using a man heavily rumoured to have been helped by them to win a world championship.
Or he's fueled by dementia...
So personal I feel like it is the start of a genuine mental disorder. Paranoid delusions or a form of OCD perhaps?
fabi is an insecure cheater
Fischer against the world.... Kramnik against the world.... See where I am getting? We are witnessing a sane man going mad. Google says that paranoia might develop within months, particularly in response to intense stress or traumatic events.
Danya has been beyond patient and I totally understand his increasing exasperation. As Danya says it’s fine to privately suspect people but unacceptable to launch a public crusade against them. I hope Danya is able to slowly tune this out and keep making great chess content
Danya will be remembered as one of, if not THE best and most far reaching GM chess educator in history. The amount of amazing content he's put out is a gift to every chess lover out there. THANK YOU DANYA ❤
Thank you for having better more consistent audio for this one! It's so important!
This. It was as if Christian was whispering and Fabiano was yelling. I had to keep lowering the Audi and raising the audio depending on who was talking.
@@chicassoproductions8527 Yeah, I've often had that problem. For me the worst is when Fabi's volume is really wobbly up and down. When that combines with the reverb his audio also often has, I just can't understand anything he says. At least, not without closely focusing my entire brain on it (which is never how I want a podcast to be, like, I'm tryna sew here I need my brain lol). Fabi seriously just needs a better mic, that one change would drastically improve all of their content
1:50:44 Even during Danya's other game with the fishing pole trap, Kramnik paused the video just before Danya said that he is looking at an earlier position with the engine.
Kramnik then implied that Danya is looking at the current position aka cheating. Really dishonest.
Nothing wrong with loading an engine during an ongoing game. :) Yeah Yeah he was +23 and Queen Up and it was a 1100
@kramnikstudentc24
Are you stupid? He already said it was wrong, We're currently discussing the actual *impact* of it. It's not very impactful at all since it does not actually help you in the current position! And Kramnik was talking about it as if he was looking at the current position! The details do actually matter
@@kramnikstudentc24 You are either the biggest omega clown kramnik meatrider or a troll that pushes kramnik on to watch the world burn. My brain says you are a troll but my heart says you are a 🤡❤️
Kramnik is just excellent at choosing which facts to point out and which ones to ignore. Then using these facts to tell lies. It’s clever and calculated, and, sadly, fooling a lot of people
@@kramnikstudentc24 even Dayna has said he shouldn't have done that, but to point that out as evidence of him cheating currently/in games that actually matter is ridiculous. It would be look accusing Shaq of cheating because he double dribbled in a pick-up game vs middle schoolers. No.
He’s doing a great job of laying groundwork for a lawsuit. There’s a reason why he went to Stanford.
He stated that he doesn't plan on suing. That said, I agree.
Not at all, how is Danya going to extradite kramnik from Switzerland for a lawsuit, the world isn't America
@@builderphill1361 He really should file a case against this guy
Nothing much he can do against a paranoid Russian. I think the worst part is someone asked Kramnik when he livestreamed if there was ANYTHING Danya could do to convince him he was not cheating and he answered probably not 🤦♂
@@builderphill1361 You don't extradite people for civil cases. If Kramnik were served with a suit, chose not to defend it, and he was found to have caused damages, compensation could be awarded in his absence. I'd be surprised if Kramnik had no assets in the US, and even if he didn't there are ways to recover from other countries.
Danya says "It never occurred to me that people could interpret this in such a twisted manner." That basically sums it up. Sucks to see it's taking such a toll on him.
Danya speaks perfect Russian and he has a degree in History.
He also drinks water and eats everyday. He also believe it or not, once took 4 shyts in a day.
Irrelevent information?
There is an infamous saying: "If you are not careful you will turn into the very thing you despise the most". Kramnik went through a similar version of this vs Topalov, the Toiletgate scandal. Topalov and his manager accused him of using engine help during bathroom breaks during their WC match in 2006.
One would think that Kramnik would know what it's like to be the victim of baseless accusations. Apparently not. He's now doing the same thing to others...
It's a damn shame. Kramnik was a heck of a player, perhaps my favorite back in the day. I loved the way he played, that positional style rock solid chess. Seems like retirement has hit him hard and he's lost the last verges of his sanity.
Maybe Kraminik did cheat and that's why he projects his behavior on other players.
I dont think it was baseless at this point.
Yeah, agree here. Kramnik sus.
If Kramnik doesn't seem to know that baseless allegations hurt so much, then what else can I think but...
@@lollycopterexactly! 😂
Someone please convince Kramnik to investigate Magnus. Will be hilarious + give Danya a break from all the accusations / hate
Unlike him Magnus is showing his skill OTB
Someone should definitely plant the seed in Kramnik's head that Magnus might not be who he says he is. Do it in a subtle enough way and he'll never be able to let go of it. It's really not that far-fetched that this could happen; after all, Kramnik suspects Hikaru and Hikaru really isn't far behind Magnus in strength at all.
This would ve priceless
@@kohnr3381 Hikaru had the best year worldwide in classical OTB last year and that nut job still called him a cheater. If you're accusing the #2 in the world of cheating when hes clearly dominating everyone OTB and online then you cant be reasoned with.
If anyone, he should investigate his buddy Nepo, who admitted to use an engine against suspicious player
Feel for Danya. He doesn't deserve this. He's a genuinely great commentator and compared to gotham a much more instructive and educational teacher. Kramnik's behaviour is appalling.
Also, if you look closely, Danya always darts his eyes left and right - even when he's being interviewed. It's the way he is - a bit shifty most likely caused by mild social anxiety. Kramnik should pay heed to this
Damn. Blowing sunshine up Danya’s butt while simultaneously dismantling levy 😂. Harsh
He's better than gotham at everything.
@@jestice75 I think Gotham is probably better at making money at this point
Why do you feel for random on the internet ? He doesn't know that you exist.
@@Seterian10 nor do the people dying in the Spanish floods today, doesn't mean you can't feel for them sunshine. Also get a real username you bot
He wants Danya to pay him, and make money out of him just like what he did with Niemann (became his coach), and Martinez (TV Special). When he found out he's not getting from Hikaru, he turned to the smaller fish with money as well. Kramnik is a disgust!ng old man.
Literally
Yes, he’s probably a psychopath and trying to gain some sort of financial advantage by generating all this publicity. He’s turning into an irrelevant aging chess grifter. Sad
That is something they don't go into in the interview. I would like them to analyze other motivations Kramnik might have to call players cheaters.
@@badspecimen I heard the same about Naroditsky. sad.
Watch out before he hacks your pc because of suspiscion
Many thanks for the professional interview. This video was perfect to clear up misconceptions (I didn't know I had) on the whole strange situation. Hang in there Danya, you're golden.
Dear Fabiano, there is no such thing as "proving your innocence." Burden of proof is on the accuser.
Watch Kramniks video that he released today. He comes with strong proof.
A blurry reflection? @@cluckycluck3053
@@cluckycluck3053Literally 0 proof. You're just as delusional.
I mean it does exist once you step out into the real world. Many cases of doping are actually being handled this way (not saying that it's a good thing).
@@cluckycluck3053 No he doesn't. I watched the video, you are all insane.
Thank God that Kramnik became a chess player and not a judge or prosecutor.
He probably wasnt corrupted enough to become a judge or prosecutor in russia. But close.
The dude couldn't be a substute teacher for elementary kids. He's lucky he had any type of career.
I want kramnik as my lawyer. He will frustrate the hell out of everyone out there with his bs
The dude would be a perfect judge or prosecutor in Russia, actually. He's like a badly written character from a propaganda movie from the cold war, the archetypical corrupt soviet judge.
I got "blocked" on twitter by Kramnik for asking too many questions 😄
What a legend haha……can you pls post the questions here, we will carry on your work soldier 🫡🫡
Welcome to the very big club !
Dumd questions, apparently
Kramnik has very thin skin. He is very insecure and cannot handle criticism.
@@konstantin3517 'dumd questions' lol
im glad danya is finally defending himself and not being a nice guy. He did nothing to deserve this.
Kramnik lived long enough to see himself become the villain. Without the seeing part though.
and without ever being a hero.
@@godfreyofbouillon966 he was one of mine actually
@@KraterlandschaftMy condolences, then. Must suck to see him being such a failure nowadays.
@@Stony2103 actually yes, it sucks. I was rooting for him when he played against Leko in 2004. Just sad to see. Something tells me he suffers from something similar to what made Fischer mad.
45:45 'with all due respect to 1100s' Fabi being a savage 😂😅
Can’t wait until Kramnic discovers what a screen overlay is then we’re all fucked
Thank you guys for taking the time to take this seriously.
Feel bad for Danya.
This man's educational speed runs are insanely instructive more than any youtube content i watched , his love and passion for the game is obvious , total support for you Danya , tough times make u stronger , you will get through it
Christian and Fabi are such a good interviewer duo.
Kramnik is sullying other people's hard word and lifetime earned reputation at this point. Its ironic coming from him who was accused of cheating in a proper OTB tournament. It feels like he has some grudge against a few people and doesnt want to listen to any logic. He wont ever accept he was wrong. If he didnt accept even after Jospem played a full tournament on his terms, then why will he now?
He is a tool of ruski propaganda to discredit top chess players because ruskies were kicked out of FIDE because of their war
When was he accused of cheating OTB? This is new to me
@@jasond.personal5433 search up the 2006 toilet gate scandal
@@jasond.personal5433his WC match against Topalov
Danya should just ignore Kramnik at this point. Kramnik, like any other online troll feeds off attention, ignore him and he will focus on a different target soon enough.
Thanks for the episode. It’s nice to see that you guys are giving him the time and platform to share his thoughts on the whole situation. I hope Danya rests and decides to move on from all of this. No more energy should be spent on Kramnik’s accusations.
I think this episode was fantastic. I’m 100% on Danya’s side and I expect most rational thinking people are too. You can really tell how personal this attack is. I feel bad for Danya and hopefully this whole thing has no lasting impact on his well being.
I know he doesn't need proof. But I can never look back at Danya as before.. I mean Kramnik is a big guy in the chess world :/
1:18:18 ‘Is this really the way someone would cheat, a strong grandmaster?!
Shevchenko’s neck is breaking as he furiously nods ‘yes’ and takes notes.
who are you?
@@System.Error.someone who helped me with mathematics through his RUclips videos like 12 years ago, why am i seeing his name here now lmao
Danya is one of the best chess commenters out there and a brilliant chess player,
I'm starting to think that when Kramnik mentions his "Team" working with him to catch cheaters, it's actually just him
Maybe a few 750 elos reporting baseless claims to him??
Him, Nepo, Levitov, Artemiev and other Russians. I don't think his group is really big.
I practically never watch Danya, but I always heard how most super GM's are respecting his skills in Blitz and Bullet. This interview was super interesting.
Ok, we have established that danya isn’t cheating but we haven’t established if he is or isn’t a witch.
Thanks for having Danya on!
How dare he come after naroditsky my goat.
Genuinely Danya is the classiest, most humorful, informative, grandmasters you can look up to. He helped me hit 2000 in 2 years simply from the education and genuine passion he puts into the game. Whether it’s the history he adds, his unique style, his personality is the main reason for me going on my own chess journey and I know many others feel the same.
But above chess, what a standup guy. These people and accusers are living in a chess bubble and it’s pretty disappointing. There is 0 validity or credibility to these claims and those who rally them lose so much respect from me and others. It’s just disappointing how far a former world champion can push something with the only reason its getting attention is his former prowess. Truly shows that no title or ELO can measure the man. And Danya is 100x the man
Congrats on 2000 that's awesome. And yeah Danya is such a good teacher.
Amazing times. The US Chess Champion taking on things the chess world cares about! Thanks Fabi!
Danya dont let him mess with your mind. There are so many chessfans supporting you and enjoying your excellent videos❤
These guys never miss. Thanks Cristian & Fabi!
I had a bipolar family member who went through episodes of psychosis where he would say the wildest shit and firmly believe it.. it was scary. Kramnik reminds me of that.
that's what I'm saying!
@@sliceserve234yes me too
You aren't in psychosis every-single-day.
@@ItIsYouAreNotYour his episodes would last for weeks at a time
If he s like Kramnik , maybe he s the sane on in that house. Just sayin 😉
Does anyone think Kramnik is doing this to make money? By engaging with his accusations, you are increasing the number of people who will go on to watch his streams. He is basically going after streamers with the most viewers to gain traction. I think he has seen how much money people like Hikaru and Levy are making through streams and he is getting in on it.
Danya has definitely lost weight and just does not look healthy since this all started. I hope he finds his footing and has all the support he needs. Love you Danya.
I noticed that too 🥲
His weight loss happened even before this .. I noticed it a few weeks ago. I wonder what happened.
Oh please, no. I don't wanna hear any 'news' on that
I didn't know about the speedrun concept in Danya's videos. I'll probably go watch em. They sound useful for someone at my current chess lvl
They're honestly the best educational chess content you can find for free. Check them out, you won't regret it
At this point Kramnik would absolutely humble Fischer on sanity factor.
well, let's not get carried away, Fischer was really gone at the end, Kramnik is obviously on his way, but he still has a long way to go to get to Fischer insanity.
Fischer was firing on all cylinders all his life.
@@sliceserve234Is he? I'd say Fischer and Kramnik are about even now. One simply hates women, the other hates people stronger than him.
@@sliceserve234do u even know what fischer said? He said the Jays control the US. In 2022 AIPAC donated money to 365 congressional candidates to make them support Israel.
He wasnt crazy, he was right
@@Stony2103fischer never said he hated women. Stating negative facts about someone doesnt equal "hate".
You have sub 1000 elo logic.
The chess community is with you! Keep it up Danya
In the Netherlands we say "TALL TREES CATCH A LOT OF WIND".
Ummm ... I don't know what that means.
@@thomasdequincey5811 Important people receive a lot of scrutiny/criticism.
In NZ, we have a similar phrase about “tall poppies”.
I think better translation to English would be "Tall trees..."
@@godfreyofbouillon966 I think you're right ;-)
Kramnik's favourite openings are: "Procedure gambit - lunatic variation" for white and "Twitter shitpost system - Russian spy variation" for black
Thank you very much for not editing out the rightfully angry and unfiltered Danya. Kramnik deserves every single one of those words. Beatch... yeah! We love you Danya!
I was blocked by Kramnik on twitter months ago. It is one of my proudest achievements.
I imagine it's easy to achieve -- he blocks essentially everyone! haha
Being blocked by Kramnik, is a badge of sanity. Unfortunately I am yet to earn it.
He blocked me too... xD Just couple honest tweets is all it took.
I earned it and I am so happy, I just hope he never lands in India though
Listening at 1x now and giving this my undivided attention.
Now hans should be taking Danya's interview.
the jospem thing is hilarious. someone seriously needs to sit Kramnik down and go through some of the (if : then) logical implications he is attempting to sell. Kramnik and all his minions. If you ever needed proof that these Chess elites arent by necessity intellectual elites this is it. its like a very wide very shallow pool with one dime sized bore hole of greater depth. While they have him sitting and listening also add some basic fundamentals of law, and philosophy of science while youre at it because this guy is an embarrassment. At least outside of Soviet allegation lord 80s iron curtain society with secret police and everyone trying to rat on and slander their neighbors.
My. Jaw. Dropped. Naroditsky dropping an f-bomb in the open and just being so open open about his experience with this whole thing... whew! Seeing a whole different side of danya - and rightfully so: Naming harm when it happens is important!
Kramnik has made his life's work to prove that just because someone is good at chess, that doesn't equate to them being intelligent. He doesn't understand statistics, he doesn't understand psychology, he doesn't understand human behaviour, he doesn't understand computer engineering and computer science, he doesn't understand scientific method. Yet, he considers himself qualified to talk about all these subjects because he was good at pushing some wooden chunks over a table at some point in his life.
Didn't Hikaru say he did not finish school? You've got a person who did not finish school, but rather got a lottery in talent at a board game, talking statistics, psychology, etc. He seems to think his expertise pushing pawns means he's good at almost everything else.
Slowly c-squared is becoming the good mafia of the chess world
A really good podcast, although if there's any evil "mafia" at work it is the shitty RUclips algorithm which priorities clickbait and cringe content over useful educational material - plenty of the other big chess streamers would make far better videos if they weren't forced to produce this garbage just to be seen
GM Danya is a precious gem of the chess community and the best endgame teacher on planet Earth! I can't imagine a more humble GM that has given so much chess wisdom to the world for free. how can anyone take this absurd theater from Kramnik seriously?
Don't feed the troll. Nakamura's advice is sound: just tell him to f off, ignore him and move on.
Or cash in on it - play a series of over the board games, naroditsky Vs Niemann to show the world that both of them are legit grandmasters and silence the haters from both camps (and probably kramnik too)
'with all due respect to 1100s' after absolutely smoking them 😂
I don't think Danya is a cheater, but I do suspect he's a witch. It was revealed to me in a dream.
Danya don't let the haters win! We know the true you! You are a Good guy and an great teacher! Don't forget that!!
Kramnik stated in his response that he would love to come on this podcast and explain his position, but he is sure he won't be invited. I sincerely hope you guys do invite him back, as crazy and vindictive as he might be. The way he interprets events (and words sometimes) is really difficult for me to understand, but I feel like he might behave differently being interviewed by somebody with Fabi's level of Prestige.
Wtf. Didn’t expect to be catching strays from Fabi 45:45
1:03:47
Christian: "It's like when the wife accuses you of cheating in her dream, and gets upset at you in the morning."
This is so funny cause every guy understands the absurdity of this.
Danya has to discover that his engagement with the Kramnik fire per se makes the Kramnik fire more sustainable (because there's nothing to talk about in the first place EXCEPT _responses_ to that nothing that there was to talk about lol)
This is the one interview I was patiently waiting for lol
It's important to realise that whatever this is, it's not an evidence-based discussion, and responding to Kramnik with evidence will almost certainly not help at all. The chances are that it will only lead to further stress and mental and physical harm. At some point the best course of action may be to accept that Kramnik will not change his mind and continue with your chess in the best way possible. There is a very important broad, general point here - this really is not about evidence and reason. Sane, reasonable, highly intelligent, high achieving people in many fields become crackpots. You really can't do anything about it other than accept it. Stress can sometimes usefully be defined as not being in control. Take control.
Excellent point, and Fabi is struggling with this as well. He and Cristian keep asking how Kramnik responded to this or that bit of evidence, or saying that they just can't see the logic behind some of Kramnik's thinking. Yes, of course you can't, because there ISN'T any logic or rational reasoning or behind it--there is only pathology. It's much more a psychiatric problem than a legal or rational problem.
How is it not evidence-based?
I love Danya as a commentator and chess-educator, but it's very obvious that there are strange things happening with him (where he looks, the reflections behind him etc.), but all those are evidence that something is fishy. It's not proof, but it definitely is eveidence.
@@gast1981 No, they are absolutely not evidence of anything except--as some other commentor pointed out--personal peculiarities that many if not most chess players and streamers share. Of course many chess players--and streamers in general--look around, back and forth, up and down, in all different directions, while they are talking, thinking, or concentrating. Many people in many circumstances do it. I do it, when I'm working on something on the computer or on a Zoom call. Danya may do it more than average--some do it more, some do it less--but in itself it's meaningless. The actual truth is that Kramnik is off his rocker and deeply malicious; that's what's hard to accept. At this point, I think Hikaru's attitude is the only proper one: Tell Kramnik to GFHS and make no further response.
@@zyabayz101 But its not "general-look around" - its highly focused looking at something. Very highly focused.
The very exact same way players that use e.g. a radar hacks in FPS games do.
And it's not chat. It's not the clock. So what is it?
So, yes, it definitely is evidence that something fishy is going on.
Not proof, but reason enough to seriously question what's going on.
@@gast1981 If you seriously suspect that Danya is cheating again sub-2000 players in order to--what, gain a few Blitz rating points?--then there's not much I can say to you. He obviously doesn't make money from his alleged cheating, and he has many times demonstrated that he has the skills to play the absolute best bullet players in the world--Magnus, Hikaru, and Alireza--in competitive matches. (Just listen to what Fabi says about it in this interview; Fabi says that in 1+0 against Danya, he would have no chance.) There is not the SLIGHTEST incentive for him to do any of the ridiculous things that he is accused of by Kramnik.
Pretty obvious Kramnik's agenda is not against cheating because otherwise he wouldn't be working with Niemann, who admitted to cheating in "meaningless online games", it's purely personal and cherrypicked.
I think Kramnik's agenda is against hypocrisy. He was banned for using another account (a violation), Hans was banned for using an engine (a violation) and Danya, works for that same platform and has admitted engine use offense...
If Russia were to implement a campaign to destroy trust in top level chess in response to being banned it would look an awful lot like this. Using a guy heavily rumoured to have been helped by them.
I honestly don't think this has anything to do with chess or cheating. This is a disinformation campaign. Reality and facts are irrelevant. And that's exactly how it's playing out. And yeah the Niemann thing is just the cherry on top of this insanity cake.
@mrmiller74 so using engine is an offence. Nonsense
@@chukspeter4044 Yes, using an engine is an offence. I don't get what you are trying to say?
Danya is as polite and professional as any streamer I've ever seen. He does more for the community than most, and has helped countless players improve their game. I don't understand the hate.
Dany is not polite not even close 😂
A prophet can’t live through life without chasity. Keep strong Danya. We know your heart, and we’re all behind you. ✊
Lets go this is going to be awesome
I agree with Kramnik that cheating is a big problem. Unfortunately the people he accused are not the cheaters. Naka is just a comical accusation. Talking about one of the few who hit 2800+.
Danya, it's really sad and troubling to see you so upset, it's so clear all across your face. Please, please, please just ignore Kramnik, he is being a complete troll and is cyber bullying. It is disgraceful. I am 100% behind you and I can imagine that the vast majority of the English speaking chess community is also. Keep your head up and ignore the negativity, you will come out of this as clean as you came into it. Kramnik can go to hell, I have zero respect for him now, he is a complete bully and a coward.
Classy interview, well done guys
I think Kramniks reach can not only be explained by his WC status, but also by people loving an underdog against the evil system story. These kinds of general feelings and attitudes blind people to the details. It is the same reason why greenwashing works: people want it to be true, even though every part of it screams "this is a scam" and there are countless news segments on it for years. In that regard I highly value Fabi's insistence on being an independent party and his willingness to clearly state his independent, not at all black and white opinions.
It is the paranoid conspiracy theorist mentality. There are quite a lot of mentally cracked paranoid people out there willing to believe any nonsense, especially if it is similar to "champion of truth against shadowy elite".
Sadly, a lot of them can't be reasoned with. A mere hint of something being off is enough for them to fully believe there is a conspiracy. And more you try to disprove it, the more convinced they get because they don't trust your intentions. As a final resort they just claim evidence is fabricated.
Arguing with conspiracy theorists is futile. Ignore them or file defamation lawsuits.
Kraminik: Magnus is using an engine. Let's do the procedure.
He's going to go over that game where david howel accidentalLy said the winning line when he was livestreaming. I think that was vs danya as well.
Kramnik has a pattern of behavior when losing online. If you beat Kramnik in a way that frustrates him online, he will immediately suspect you're cheating. He then proceeds to mouth off about it on Twitter. After he cools off, he plays the game where he says "stop playing the victim I'm just asking questions". Rinse and repeat. If Kramnik was genuinely concerned about cheating, he would go about it differently. These are instead temper tantrums caused by losing online. Ian constantly jumping in and agreeing with Kramnik every time he does this, is far more annoying. If Ian believes these GM's are cheating already, why does he always wait for Kramnik to have a meltdown before mentioning it? A bunch of Russian GM's are losing games and accusing their opponents of cheating... It's a day that ends in y.
This makes me feel really bad for Danya & also Hikaru from a mental health standpoint. Hikaru mentioned leaving chess altogether. The unfounded accusations are doing more harm than good
Fabi is honesty and common sense personified, the chess world is blessed to have him.
Kramnik, on the other hand, has clearly lost his marbles, very sad.
Fabi is great. And very impartial. It was good to see him with enough backbone to still say the BC8 move was weird, even in Danya's company (he didn't look happy!).
Always very balanced.
Danya was glancing off screen during this interview so much, I’m pretty sure stockfish was telling him what to say the whole time
Anyone who has been around chess for any length of time knows of Kramnik's character.
He is the worst kind of bully. The one that was bullied in school for his weakness, so when he works to get any power, instead of "i will make sure no one has to endure what I did' he chose "now it's my turn!"
He's a coward, a liar, and a criminal
Or he is just a tool for ruski propaganda
I thought Hikaru Nakamura was that person that you are describing.
Now you described it, I also would vote for this picture. The old Kramnik comes out as a bidder loser in life. Counting the days until he is divorced and moves back to Russia, since he remained just a small town primitive.
Bully?? Hahaha he is an old dork just look at him. A little old man with glasses.
@@moonboy5851 that does not mean he isn't also a bully. But yes, a dork that is happy to kick people.