Star Wars Changes - Disney+ Edition - Part 2
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Let's take a look at more the changes made to the DisneyPlus version of Star Wars: Episode 4 - A New Hope and Star Wars: Episode 5 - The Empire Strikes Back! I'll be comparing the Star Wars Blu-Ray, Project 4k77, the 2004 version of The Empire Strikes Back, and the 2019 Disney+ 4k version.
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Lucas: I have altered the films. Pray I don't alter them any further.
Maclunkey
Fans: These changes are getting worse all the time.
Lol
Some good alterations would be adding the satellite dish onto the top of the Falcon in the hangar bay at Mos Eisley, completing the incomplete Y-Wing towards the bottom of the shot inside the Yavin IV hangar bay right after Han & the gang lands on that moon and computer generating some droids in the backs of the Y-Wings during their Death Star trench run.
For what it's worth, Lucas was aware of the reception surrounding the changes and did poke fun at them when Darth Vader won the "Ultimate Villain" award at the Spike Scream Awards 2011.
Can't wait for the 5k changes when Palpatine yells "Maclunkey!" as he's falling down the Death Star.
Thanks for the laugh mate
Or he yells "I am all the Sith" or "I am the Senate"
@@darinstaley1993 "Nothing will stop the return of the sith!!" then blows up.
What would actually be funny is if he just screamed full voice "Fuuuuuccckkkkk!" Shit could work as well.
And then screams like a girl and Luke for some reason screams the exact same way
I have never noticed those cables on the lightsabers
While the changes in Empire are mostly fine (tho I still prefer the theatrical), it actually has one of my least favorite changes: changing Vader's "Bring my shuttle" to "Prepare my Star Destroyer for my arrival." The former was SUCH a good read from Jones, filled with the anger and disappointment from seeing his son would rather jump off a building than join him. That delivery had so much depth. The new line sounds off to me, like he's almost pleased with himself! Not a fan.
My least favorite change is Boba Fett’s voice. Jason Wingreen sounds like a pirate that eats nails while Temuera Morrison sounds deadpan.
@@brown22sugar25 I agree, though it's a change I at least get. Part of me has always thought "Why didn't they cast someone who could match Wingreen's voice?" but I actually like Morrison outside of his ESB stuff (and I don't even dislike it really, I just prefer Wingreen's performance (and the theatrical cut in general).
What makes it even worse in the German version is that the original voice of Vader died before the change, so Vader sounds different in this Scene and also when talks to the emperor.
@@OmegaRockman it’s another example of the backwards attempts at continuity. The OT came out first so it was the prequels job to fit into continuity, but instead the prequels got it wrong so Lucas changed the OT to fit the prequels. Like Obi Wan not knowing R2, Vader’s eyebrows, etc
@@brown22sugar25 Yep, that's pretty much it. For all the flack the Sequels get for "not fitting with the saga," frankly the Prequels are more guilty of it. My favorite example is Padme dying at the end of Episode III not matching up to Leia having memories about her in VI. I noticed that in the theater when I was eleven. Apparently in later novelizations they had threw in some throwaway line about it being something like more of a feeling on Leia's part than an actual memory (don't remember how exactly they phrased it tho). I'm generally positive on the Prequels these days, but I can't help but laugh at dumb stuff like that.
I’m a guy who got introduced to Star Wars through prequels and the early 2000s version of the OT and it baffles me that no one made a release of the OT without any changes , like that would have sold like cupcakes .
It’s not about money
@@ejn8982 pretty sure George Lucas put it in the agreement when selling Star Wars to Disney that they couldn’t release the OG versions. He’s very adamant that the special editions were his true vision
@@BeanDogTally exactly
@@Voltar They could assemble one. As the video you just watched proved. It can be done.
@@Voltar It’s possible to get really close to the original theatrical version. Look up 4k77. Not that hard to understand. I never said they had the original negatives. I said if they wanted they could put an original theatrical version together. It doesn’t necessarily have to be an original print. It’d be better than having Greedo shoot first and a Jabba scene in the first movie that kills the pacing. I’m cool with watching what a director originally intended, unless it’s worse. I’d rather watch the original version of Star Wars, but I’d also rather watch the Final Cut of Blade Runner.
This is why I so love Harmy's Despecialized editions, which are a must-have.
It’s sad that we need to resort to a fan edit to watch the version of the film that George is gatekeeping from us.
I actually prefer the Special Edition of ESB, Cloud city feels much more like a real city, instead of a set of white hallways. And the original Emperor was really weird. Continuity-wise, the change to Ian McDiarmid makes much more sense, although he looks too much like he did in RotS (because that was when they filmed that scene).
The Cloud City changes created some continuity issues, though. Like that window outside the dinner room which only appears in one shot.
Adywan's Revisted version of the Emperor scene is probably the best version. Emperor looks more like he does in ROTJ, plus the original dialogue. Even though I've warmed to the "I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker" line over time
Same!
Same, plus the extra Wampa footage
You're absolutely right.
So to my understanding, the despecialized was more of like a compilation of different sources and the 4k77 4k80 is a mostly one source from one scan type of deal.
Basically. Despecialized was a lot of guessing and compiling of different elements. I say guessing because without a proper theatrical print it was almost impossible to know the exact color timing of the films. The Team behind 4K77, 4K80 and 4K83 have scanned several different prints of each film from all over the world and on different film stocks to somewhat appropriate what the colors looked like when first projected in the late 70s and early 80s.
@@timonsteup2877 Even then, it's difficult to get the timing exactly right. It's a _lot_ of trial and error, as you basically need to be able to watch the film projected with an era accurate bulb as you work, which not even they could manage.
That said, 4K83 is probably the most impressive of the trio, as the print had more useful frames than most prints of the era usually survived with (To the point the deliberately broke sync with the traditional standard because they had every known extra frame,) as well as being one made for special showings, so it didn't have as much grain and VERY little colour fade.
@@flametitan100 True all that. This is also the reason why there are different versions of 4K77 and 4K83 (especially 4K83).
BTW. 4K77 is on or two frames longer than the GOUT 2006 DVD and it is expected that 4K80 should also have a different frame count than any previous releases.
@@timonsteup2877 is 4k77 2 frames longer? I haven't checked it out since the initial release, which I was sure was GOUT synced. 4k83 I know for sure was a hot topic for breaking GOUT sync, until it was pointed out it had every frame the NA GOUT was missing.
@@flametitan100 A 4K77 2.0 is being worked on as we speak. The old version from 2017(?) is GOUT synched. The new will be frame complete.
In the words of one Count Dooku.
"I've been looking forward to this."
I wish they re-rendered the Bespin CGI and reshot/remade the Emperor scene so it's still the McDiarmid one but lit so that it's harder to see the Emperor's face, so he's more menacing and it's more like the 1980 version, kind of like what the Adywan version did. 2004 and on the hood is all slumped around with no grace and the emperor is lit head on with little shadow
The 2011 "far, far away..." isn't just less bold, it's an entirely different font. Glad they changed it back because those original letterforms are pretty unique, especially that lowercase a.
I think it's cause the 4K Masters were based off the 1997 Special Edition
This just feels like an extreme nitpick.
@@anirudhmenon4234 it’s not a nitpick, just a clarification. I’m a graphic designer, my job is to look at letters pretty much all of the time.
Again imagine if they just made a branching edition where fans could select the various elements that have been added or changed over the years. There could even be a color/hue option. So before viewing you could select your color warmth and add in or subtract the special edition elements you won't or don't.
I have to say I am happy they finally toned down the blue's and Cyans from the 2004 DVD and 2011 blue ray,
It certainly looks much better.
In my experience those magazines where you build something over a matter of a years is a scam, they can randomly increase the price of the magazine and flat out cancel midway if interest dwindles.
That R2-D2 is so cool
I never liked the change of dialogue when r2 gets spit out by the sea creature on Dagobah.
The best version of ESB is Adywans ESB:Revisited 1080p
Yep would use that if it was 4k
I got the special edition bonus tin in I think 2006. It has the original theatrical releases on DVD, though I believe they are just scans from the laserdisc. It's the only way I've been watching the OT, but I'll have to check out this 4k77!
All that’s left is “Return of the Jedi.”
The Disney plus version has the colours of the 1997 release
That sponsorship is just one of those magazine models you see on the TV
That R2-D2 is so awesome and thanks for sharing! I'm really considering buying this.
Who'd of thought The Never Ending Story was actually Star Wars. Will that damn movie ever be finished?
I don't know, maybe it's because I grew up watching the 1990 VHS tapes, but I kind of like Cloud City as its original white walls. The CG backgrounds just don't really do it for me. Does it make sense, does it at least conceptually sound good? Yes, and maybe it's the nostalgia talking, but I kind of prefer the white corridors over all the windows. I think that perhaps they wanted to do the windows initially, but it would have caused too many problems with filming, it just wasn't a very practical thing to do at the time, or it just wouldn't have looked good, I don't know, but by naming it Cloud City and making the whole place this stark white and being very clean, it gave the illusion that it was in fact a city among the clouds and has a certain purity to it that then gets destroyed with the Empire's arrival and the shootouts happening within and putting these black scorched holes in the walls that have smoke floating out of them and even dirtying the ceiling with soot.
Glad someone else has made the cloud- white wall connection! I've always thought this!
also, there's definitely something wrong with the lighting when they're running through the hallways, it's far too warm and just plain weird to look at. Plus, the backgrounds look straight out of the prequels, and not in a good way.
Likewise, all it's purity and cleanliness is a facade. The city is still a legally dubious mining colony, and has a _lot_ of areas that aren't all gleaming skyrise. I can get adding windows to some key areas, but it makes sense that for the most part there aren't windows.
Absolutely Love these videos!
Hopefully we'll see the release of 'The Empire Strikes Back' Project 4K80 in 2022.
Honestly, Disney should make a contract deal with the owner of the 4K 77 versions to put them onto Disney+. Because from these videos, the 4K 77 looks MUCH better than on the original version or even Disney+ in many scenes. Much sharper and darker, whereas D+ makes its films and shows a little brighter in comparison (with everything I think, not just Star Wars).
Disney+ has a "Versions" tab from the Marvel IMAX releases, so the same can be done for the Star Wars movies for all their releases (4K 77, Harmy's Despecialised Edition, VHS release, DVD release, Bluray release etc)
Actually the limited edition theatrical DVDs are from 2006
I'm honestly shocked that D+ went for a generally faithful color grade for their streaming versions.
Love these videos Greedo
ARTURITO!!!
(Greetings from Chile)
Great video....love the analysis.
I want the picture quality of the 2019 version but the colours of the 2011 Blu-ray
I hated the colours of the 2011 too washed out
IMO if Disney released a user-friendly tool that allowed you to create a custom edit of Star Wars where you can mix-and-match various changes it'd probably do very well among a certain set of the fanbase. Want the 2011 entrance to Mos Eisley but don't want the Jabba the Hutt scene? Prefer the exterior view of Cloud City but want Jason Wingreen's voice as Boba Fett? When you're done, share your edits with friends (as long as your friends have Disney+ memberships).
Not likely to happen, but I can imagine it.
Thanks, HG! 🌟
I had read that George Lucas oversaw the 4K upgrade. Because no one is allowed to touch or altere his 6 films in anyway. Because the opening logo which I hate now. I love the real logo that goes from green to silver to gold. Instead of Disney's dull grey.
I would only remove the matte lines, and stabilize moving objects on some of the blue-screen compositions. And change the control panels that had English text on them.
I prefer the 2011 version of the OT purely because it was the version of the films I grew up with. Also the prequels. Grew up with them too. And the sequels kinda if you count me going through all of high school as they released. Then Mando came out post-graduating. The EU I was kinda passive too beyond reading the graphic novels for Shadows of the Empire and Dark Empire which were at my local library. Also the Tag and Bink comic was at that library too. Think it’s still there. Anyone else remember that comic?
Anyway back to the point. I personally think that the Disney Plus versions are bad but not because I prefer the original versions. It’s because it seems more low quality compared to the 2011 version.
I know you're younger than me and the blu-rays are what you grew up with, so I genuinely mean no personal disrespect, but they are shit. Please trust me when I tell you they are objectively the worst looking versions of the OT that have ever been released. The new 4K's (even though they're still the Special Editions) are much, much better.
Blu- rays 2011 is the best, no doubt
I was born in 1997, so obviously I was unable to see the movies when they came out, BUT my first contact with Star Wars was my father's VHS tapes, which where very close to the 4k77, 4k80 and 4k83 versions. One Christmas in the early 2000s my father bought a DVD pack of Star Wars movies. We watched and I remember I was confused, because they were very different to what I was used to.
I will try to recreate my impressions as a child (ignoring knowledge I have as an adult): new weird looking aliens in many places in the background where there used to be people or nothing at all (CGI), those weird additions even sang in Ep. VI, different dialogues, the Emperor looked different in Ep. V and VI because in Ep. V the original actor was replaced by the actor from Ep. VI and I was used to "two Emperors", but now one was "gone", the lightsabers looked thicker, moved more "realistic"* and the explosions where "bigger".
I hope you enjoyed seeing the VHS version and the early DVD version through a child's eyes. ;D
Nowadays I must say that the CGI aliens are the only "objectively bad" alterations, because they were outdated so fastly. To a present-day viewer they look like plastic - the same is true for early Marvel movies, old DVDs of the Prequel Trilogy and any CGI from the 2000s. 3 D animations always look amazing in newly released movies and videogames but loose their "magic" fastly as time goes by and better 3 D animations amaze the viewer a-new. (I know that judgements are subjective, calm down)
*(back then I had no fencing experience and could not know which combat scenes actually are inspired by martial arts and which are "theatre fencing" for the sake of telling a story through violence; in fact Episode IV is the only movie with logical fencing (a lightsaber works best as piercing weapon) and Ep. VI has some shots inspired by medieval German swordfighting in legwork and postures; Ep. V and the prequels use theatre fencing techniques and the prequels added dance moves to their choreography (spins, turns, jumps... all this would be suicide in real life); the sequels are hard to analyse, because the camera changes angles fastly, which is why I can't examine whole fights in those movies - in general I got the impression they use theatre fencing techniques with some plausible thrust in the mix, but also commit modern sins such as "reverse grips" on swords.)
good video thanks for making it!
You know for empire you could of used D+80 for a original version
It isn’t a real hellogreedo video without the gushing over 4k77 haha
I actually prefer the Empire Strikes back special edition.
Same!
Yes, of the three classic films, my perspective on ESB is that the newest versions are perfectly fine, nothing about them bother me. EVen the wampa is a practical effect, shot on film, and integrated pretty well into the drama of the scene.
The 1997 release was the best version of empire
@@samuel-wankenobi what about Luke screaming when he falls?
@@brown22sugar25 everything else is good you get the new cloud city but with the original boba fett voice
I just hope in the future that they’re able to actually change it so it looks like the film was made today
The “2004 DVD” source Greedo used is actually the 2006 bonus DVD. Not 2004
^ this
Thought the video was 4 hours long due to the thumbnail
As a younger fan. I grew up with 2011. Naturally i tend to prefer their changes. Then 2019 disney + came out. I much prefer the coloring of disney + and think there are good changes. 2011 is my standerd for greedo and han and i was disappointed when changed again. 2011 and original greedo scene. Perfect. Didn't have to change from there. Only change in the 2011 blu ray i don't prefer is jedi rocks. Perfection is lapti nek + Oola in the pit.
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Ah an AD i dont have to skip time for
The original version dvds came out in 2006. Some of your shots listed as the 2004 dvd appear to be the 2006 unaltered dvd version and not the 2004 special edition dvd, which the blu ray is very similar to.
Vader's lightsaber from 2004-2011 changes from being red to orange to pink to being badly washed out. Luke's is a real light blue, and also washed out. Return of the Jedi 2004-2011 Luke and Vader's lightsaber's are completely washed out. With Vader's looking the worst, his lightsaber turns from red to purple. Need to cover that in the next changes episode.
You should do a revisit video once 4K80 is released.
The original has a subjective color palette that purposefully distorts the colors one would expect to see in those scenes. I remember how spooky the whole thing looked-as if it was shot at another galaxy far far away.
I think it’s time for a Fan Special edition.
Hello Greedo!!!!!!
Hey mam, what background music do you use? It's fantastic.
Longg have I waited
why didn't you use for empire strikes back Harmy's despecialized editions?
I think you forgot to mention the change of Boba Fett's voice.
Back to your roots
I ve got the 77 4K but I thing is too greenish ! Isn’t it
Everything on Disney + is insanely dark.
Who produces your TK helm?
Was the Disney version taken from the 1977 4k scan?
I miss the blue in TESB….dammit Disney - LUCAS HAD A VISION. You had to change it!? They are his films!
The only things I don’t like about ESB’s special edition is the tighter cropped falcon shots and the added shots of Vader leaving Cloud City.
Let's talk about the lightsabers. They are swords MADE OUT OF LASERS. Yet whenever anyone holds them close to their faces in the Star Wars blu-rays, their faces are darkened as if they're in shadow. It's a LIGHTsaber, damn it!
That's because they're holding sticks. Of the original six films, only Attack Of The Clones really did anything with the idea of lightsabers casting light on objects/people and that was during the close up section of the Anakin vs Dooku duel where they actually used glowing lightsaber props. I believe the sequels and The Mandalorian use actual LED-lit blades that actually emit light.
To be honest I've always been a little surprised while making changes to the Original Trilogy, ILM didn't try to do anything about the lightsabers casting light. I'm even more surprised that it wasn't done more for the prequels.
@@jedsithor Yeah, I've seen some photos from production of the sequels (specifically, the Kylo/Rey duel on Starkiller Base) and they were holding props that actually gave off light. I thought it added so much to the look of the duel.
Every month for like 2 years… something near impossible to find on their site.
How do we download 4K77?
Torrent
Не мог так хорошо в 77 выглядеть мечь...
Disney plus like the Vudu 4k ?
Changes videos are fun
Why aren't we comparing the laserdisc too? Clearly best offical release.
How can I watch 4k77
Torrent I would use 4k77 for a new hope D+80 for empire and 4k83 for Jedi
Where can you watch 4k77?
Torrent
I always wondered how can one movie have so many variations. What if Star Wars is proof of the nexus of all converging timelines. They're not re-releases or remastered. That's all a cover-up.
Que X-Files theme
You might not know this Greedo given Han killed you in the previous movie, but he didn't wear a vest in Empire. He wore a jacket.
No
Why can’t I just buy the whole model
I don’t know if I find it funny or infuriating that Lucas didn’t digitally remove the wires from the lightsabers. He focused his time adding pointless scenes to the moves over fixing any minor technical mistakes still left in the movie. At that point, what is even the point of a special edition?
Omfg how many are they gonna makr
Let’s *inhale* GOOOOO
Some changes are great and some are horrible (like R2 behind rock)
Repping Appalachian trail!!
The special edition of ESB is the only altared movie from the original trilogy i own ESB is stili my favorite Star Wars movie
Call me biased, but I actually prefer the 2011 2K Blu-ray versions over anything else. I don't know, but from what I've seen of Disney's 4K version of anything, including The Mandalorian, they're not that impressive. I'd give my left nut for some regular 2K Blu-ray copies of these Disney+ shows, because my Oppo BDP-103 does a Hellava job at upconverting good AVC encoded BDs to 4K.
The 2019 version is superior to the 2011 blu ray in every way
True
Why can’t we watch classic Star Wars on Disney
Do you guys know which version of 4K83 is the best???
Depends what you like. No DNR means you will have the grain and a few scratches of the film, which I personally like better. The DNR version means there will be no film grain or stratches
No I am your father Emperor Palpatine
They NEVER get it right. Apparently NO FANS work at ILM or LUCASFILM re-releases unit. Wrong color correction, blue washed tints, pink saber for vader in esb.
If any real fans worked at Lucasfilm we'd have a release of the original versions!
@@wonderfulwookiee6443 I mean, there's definitely legal reasons and such since George retired and sold. You can't apply general fan desires to a multi billion dollar company. Fans are free from legality as long as they aren't profiting, Lucasfilm are not.
So are the 4K Blu-rays the same as the Disney+ versions?
Essentially. But they are still of a much higher quality than streaming on D+.
I was going to say I wouldn't be able to tell the difference, but I prefer the original through 2004. the Disney+ one sucks, why couldn't Lucas leave his stuff alone ? it would have been so much better. Look at Cameron and the terminator franchises from 1984 to 1991 those are pure classic movies, which he did NOT mess up.
Sadly I fear Lucasfilm/Disney will alter the OT again, and i'm praying they don't alter it any further lol.
So still those damned special edition, then.
I'll stick with the despecialised for now.
To bad the 4k77 is stupid big to download and watch, meaning isn't happening fir me, come on 40 gbs is way ridiculous
Ayy
Subtle changes don’t really bother me at all. It’s the major changes to character development and story that George made in 97 that are extremely annoying.
2k,4k,dolby vision,hdr,special edicion ....in every version always change colour,contrast and more.the resoult? more worst versions.
nothing is better than 35mm film original version.
Do they Vader haters still blow up the death star in the new edition?
The most edited movies ever. I wish they'd just stop. Better yet just release the originals in remastered form.
At this point this is just giving me a headache tbh all the changes I mean like if you agree
From my point of view Pablo Hidalgo is evil