Interesting that the machine Dr. Rubin recommends is the one for which his company produces. He has a vested interest to scare us away from the other brands. If they really want to help the common folks, they would find a way to make it more affordable.
Been using a vibration plate for over one year, at 81 yrs I do not left weights but use the plate 10 min daily along with a rebounder. Feel great, no pain anywhere. Thank you Dr.’s 💕
I invited Dr. Clinton Rubin of SUNY and Ian Cutts of Marodyne US to discuss whether you can use low intensity vibration plates like the Marodyne LiV to manage your osteoporosis. You can read more on this topic here: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
I bought a used Marodyne unit 7 months ago at half the price with a one year warranty. I have -3 and -4 osteoporosis. Will retake bone density test in 2023 to measure results.
Is this device good for healing LUMBAR compressed VERTEBRAE FRACTURES ?? Help us. Where can we buy the medical device ??? Pelvic uterine prolapse weakness ??? This device is good for healing bones ????
I own a vibe plate. It has one setting- 30 hz & 4 mm amplitude. Is it safe? Should I replace it with a Marodyne LiV? (It was $1500, so I would rather not replace it. Could wearing shoes help at all?) And thank you so much for the great video!
Thank you for following us. We plan on hosting a livestream in May with Dr. Clinton Rubin. That will be an opportune time to address this question, and more.
Hi Margaret, never knew about this type of machine for osteoporosis. May I know if Dexa scan can show osteoporosis on the wrists at all? I have never done such a scan before. Thanks.
I have Lifepro Rumblex Plus. They have a Hz chart.I sent email to them to find out how to get the 30 hz on it. This video only speaks of one so expensive it is out of reach for most of us. I'm guessing aimed at docs and PT profs who can deduct it from their office expenses. Probably in a few years price will come down. Too late for us..
Would the vibration plate be safe for me? I was using a bemer mrs2000 to add bone until earlier this year. I had surgery for ovarian cancer earlier this year and I woke up cancer free and with a pacemaker. My cardiologist won't let me use the bemer. Thank you
Can someone help me understand.. New to this, interested in purchasing a LIV plate, in this video he emphasizes the optimal intensity/ frequency is 30Hz, no more no less. Does the user have control of the Hz on the LIV plates that are on the market ?? I would hate to be doing this everyday on the wrong Hz and not getting the benefit. Is the Hz fixed n some plates? Also another important point he emphasizes is to stand straight-legged in order for the vibration to reach the spine. As soon as your legs bend it’s over, I believe him, but almost all LIV advertisement photos depict a woman standing with legs bent, very bent, doing squats. Please enlighten.
interested in knowing this also and yes see so many ads with bent legs. I am wondering if the difference is because some machines are focusing on a "weight loss" while this group is focused on Bone health so standing straight is optimal for that...perhaps
I@@rosemarie9956 I think the difference is, are you trying to challenge the muscles vs. the bones. Or both. I use another brand of platform that I use at 30 Hz and used it with fitness and weight loss clients. I had them do squats on the platform to work the muscles. I had them do other exercises off the platform, planks and such to challenge the core muscles. If you do squats you might not be getting the spine benefits he talks about, but strong legs and hips are important for staying active.
I've recently beed diagnosed with early onset osteoporosis as a result of malabsorption and other factors secondary to my Crohn's disease. I'm going to take zolendronic acid soon after I get my dental clearance. It's really depressing to know that I have this disease at such an early age and I've been feeling hopeless.
Do research. Loads of good advice on RUclips. I am same position as yourself but refusing the drug as read its got terrible side effects ! Walking exercise & vibration plates. Don't let the medics frighten you! Stress is worse, worrying ! Good luck to whatever you decide! God bless!!
Have you ever asked him if they tried people doing plank type of positions with their hands directly under their shoulders letting some of their weight rest on their hands while hands on the machine? I am thinking that might help build BMD in the arms... but not sure how shoulders would take it. If you haven't asked, perhaps in a followup update video if you so one?
I'm a personal trainer with a fair amount of experience with vibration platforms. I have had another brand (not Marodyne) and would have some of my clients hold a plank or do a pushup plank for 30 seconds. Or sometimes do down dog into up dog (yoga pushup). In some of these cases to strengthen the muscles around the shoulder. But usually 1-2 sets of 30 seconds each and not holding for 10 minutes. In plank position I would use a foam pad on the platform to take stress off the elbows.
I am curious, maybe this question has already been answered, but there are SO many machines on the market nowadays, are there 1 or 2 you could point to (or hint to) that are safe and effective? I did a search and a bit overwhelmed. At 47:00 you speak of Marodyne? (very expensive).
Do you have any price knowledge thaty you are willing to disclose? Their website clearly discloses no price information. Must be selling for a small fortune.?
Please do another, so many questions not enough time. I have a rebounder is that as beneficial? What would be the comparison on time on each 15 minutes on the rebounder vs the machine? Also I have Poly Cystic Kidneys is there a problem with being on the machine?
Hi Suzette. Thank you. We did not get through all the questions. Not enough time. Perhaps we will do another session in the future. The rebounder is not beneficial to your bone health. There is no evidence supporting it as a "bone builder". There may be other benefits but that is not the focus of my channel. I have discussed this topic enough and will not spend more time on it; until a conclusive, independent study is done that changes my position. Here is my video on that topic: ruclips.net/video/xaLIekdLSzo/видео.html
Where can I buy the Marodyne LIV machine, to which this panel referred? I am in the United States and want to make sure I am getting the authentic Marodyne device backed by the researched discussed here and not an imitation or competitor.
I have but never used a vibration platform .Bought some yrs ago for excersise Sold to people to aid Health & well- being. I thought about finding the pieces to it . Tonight I find this Video! .. I’m currently doing Mararets 7 knee excersises & others . Which I enjoy & she’s so informative too ! Thank you Margaret for all you do for us X
I have -3 osteoporosis been wearing a weighted vest 15kg. Very scary having osteoporosis. I use a powerplate most days. I read if you have power plate set too high it can have negative impact on bones?
I can only comment on their claims regarding the usage of their device with respect to bone health. The evidence they provide to support its efficacy is quite weak and I recommend that you not use their product if you have osteoporosis.. I discuss this in detail here: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-treatment/power-plate-increase-bone-density/
I have osteoporosis, a compression fracture of T11/T12 and Grade I anterolisthesis of L4/L5. The latter two diagnoses were from a fall in July 2022. Would low intensity vibration plates be helpful, or would it be counter indicated--especially the anterolisthesis? I've asked several doctors and none of them even know what a vibration plate is!
According to Marodyne, you are safe to use the platform after you get the clearance from your physician. Contact Marodyne here for more information: my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/
I don’t represent Marodyne so I am not in a position to provide a price. My understanding is that it can vary from region to region. I recommend you contact Marodyne here: my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com
@@margaretmartinpt I understand, and I feel irritated as they are not even disclosing their price on their own website. I have made contact. Thank you, Margaret.
The signal is propagated safely through your body when you stand on the Marodyne platform. I can't comment on vibrating beds and chairs, specifically as it relates to bone health, as I have not seen any devices conform to the specifications discussed in the webinar. Thanks.
Once more the US is mostly interested in drugs because the money it gets from it is huge. A device that is proven to reduce osteoporosis is not an incentive to any pharmacologic company nor the government that is getting huge kick backs for the " approvals" of such drugs... Drugs that are proven to not improve the quality of bone and have terrible side effects. Greed seems to rule us.
Brilliantly stated. Because it's so f'g true. If more men than women got Osteoporosis/penia and they couldn't get erections, you better believe doctors and scientists would put their thinking caps on, leave them on 24/7 until they came up with a cure. That's another problem we have in US and other countries: There is no profit to be made in seeking cures. Our so-called "healthcare" industry CEOs are goal oriented towards, as you say, making profit. $$$$$ over life. Greed.
Hello. When you contact Marodyne, you can mention that you found out about them via my website "melioguide.com" or this channel. YOu can reach Marodyne here: my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/
This may sound like a dumb question but as the vibration of LIV plate stimulates the spine and the legs to slow down osteoporosis,could this vibration be affecting the organs in an adverse way? Probably not because Dr. Rubin would have probably avoided designing it that way but I’m just curious if this vibration would be different than the ones the organs work with themselves? If that makes sense?!
Sorry off the subject. Just discovered you. Have you done a video on how to put on socks with back pain? I saw one for shoes. I can use slip ons for that or the laces you discussed but putting on socks is so much harder for me. Help?
I really like this video and really want to try the device. Don't know if EU medical regulations still apply to UK.or if we have switched towards the US.. Regulations. As a 71 year old male, I feel changes but don't yet have osteoporosis. I am trying to develop my own vibration exercises but this may not work. Hope I can find a way to get hold of this device.
Can you give a link / more information to the studies Dr Rubin refers to re breast cancer / anti osteo drugs with vibration - and bone density changes - at the end of this video (around 1:11:13 and 1:13:45)? I’d like to learn more about that.
Thank you. My impression is that they do not want to talk about the G Force because of the issues raised in this webinar by Dr. Rubin and discussed in more detail here: ruclips.net/video/gvtHKCdqdKM/видео.html
Interesting that the machine Dr. Rubin recommends is the one for which his company produces. He has a vested interest to scare us away from the other brands. If they really want to help the common folks, they would find a way to make it more affordable.
Agreed. Funny how the disclaimer at the begining is basically bs.😂
Been using a vibration plate for over one year, at 81 yrs I do not left weights but use the plate 10 min daily along with a rebounder. Feel great, no pain anywhere. Thank you Dr.’s 💕
Thanks for sharing!
💕
That is so wonderful!
Good for you!! Do you have osteoporosis? Any help?
Did any user follow up with her Dexa score yearly？
I don't have this problem but since having a stroke I've been using one gets me going everyday 😊😊
What affordable vibration platform would you recommend? In other words how to chose a decent one?
Thank you D. Rueben!!!
And Margaret!!!
As a postmenopausal woman, retired research nurse, this is amazing info!!!!
Glad it was helpful!
I invited Dr. Clinton Rubin of SUNY and Ian Cutts of Marodyne US to discuss whether you can use low intensity vibration plates like the Marodyne LiV to manage your osteoporosis. You can read more on this topic here: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
I bought a used Marodyne unit 7 months ago at half the price with a one year warranty. I have -3 and -4 osteoporosis. Will retake bone density test in 2023 to measure results.
Thanks for sharing
MaybI ask where you got it please?
How and where did you buy used one? I can’t afford the new one. Thanks.
That’s what I’m looking for! Can’t find anyone putting on a score after using it for a year even on the Facebook group! Thank you ☺️
That’s what I’m looking for! Can’t find anyone putting on a score after using it for a year even on the Facebook group! Thank you ☺️
Does this device show more improvement for people who do or do not take medication for osteoporosis？
Would stem cell therapy help with osteoporosis or osteopenia? Wouldn't this encourage bone growth??
Can this improve severe osteoporosis scores? ( Lowest T-score is a -4.4 at lumbar 3 and Lowest at the hip is a -3.0 at the femur neck)
Is the vibration plate contraindicated for patients that have open angel glaucoma?
Is this device good for healing LUMBAR compressed VERTEBRAE FRACTURES ?? Help us. Where can we buy the medical device ??? Pelvic
uterine prolapse weakness ??? This device is good for healing bones ????
How many times per day should this device be used?
I own a vibe plate. It has one setting- 30 hz & 4 mm amplitude. Is it safe? Should I replace it with a Marodyne LiV? (It was $1500, so I would rather not replace it. Could wearing shoes help at all?) And thank you so much for the great video!
Thank you for following us. We plan on hosting a livestream in May with Dr. Clinton Rubin. That will be an opportune time to address this question, and more.
Thanks SO MUCH for your knowledge and time for Us 😊
Hi Margaret, never knew about this type of machine for osteoporosis. May I know if Dexa scan can show osteoporosis on the wrists at all? I have never done such a scan before. Thanks.
would LIV be ok for someone with Scoliosis and osteopenia ?
Can the fat in bone be changed to create bone?
Marodyne is3k!,, cant afford is lifepro 399 which has 30z ok?
I have Lifepro Rumblex Plus. They have a Hz chart.I sent email to them to find out how to get the 30 hz on it. This video only speaks of one so expensive it is out of reach for most of us. I'm guessing aimed at docs and PT profs who can deduct it from their office expenses. Probably in a few years price will come down. Too late for us..
Would the vibration plate be safe for me? I was using a bemer mrs2000 to add bone until earlier this year. I had surgery for ovarian cancer earlier this year and I woke up cancer free and with a pacemaker. My cardiologist won't let me use the bemer. Thank you
Did they address the safety of use with a pacemaker?
I don’t see the link to contact Ian.
How to I make a purchase?
Thank you
If you post your question at my contact page, I can direct you to the right people to answer your question: melioguide.com/contact/
Can someone help me understand.. New to this, interested in purchasing a LIV plate, in this video he emphasizes the optimal intensity/ frequency is 30Hz, no more no less. Does the user have control of the Hz on the LIV plates that are on the market ??
I would hate to be doing this everyday on the wrong Hz and not getting the benefit. Is the Hz fixed n some plates? Also another important point he emphasizes is to stand straight-legged in order for the vibration to reach the spine. As soon as your legs bend it’s over, I believe him, but almost all LIV advertisement photos depict a woman standing with legs bent, very bent, doing squats. Please enlighten.
interested in knowing this also and yes see so many ads with bent legs. I am wondering if the difference is because some machines are focusing on a "weight loss" while this group is focused on Bone health so standing straight is optimal for that...perhaps
@@rosemarie9956 Listen to a RUclips with Margaret Martin, where Dr. Rubin provides all sorts of great medical data.....the science behind it all!
I@@rosemarie9956 I think the difference is, are you trying to challenge the muscles vs. the bones. Or both. I use another brand of platform that I use at 30 Hz and used it with fitness and weight loss clients. I had them do squats on the platform to work the muscles. I had them do other exercises off the platform, planks and such to challenge the core muscles. If you do squats you might not be getting the spine benefits he talks about, but strong legs and hips are important for staying active.
I've recently beed diagnosed with early onset osteoporosis as a result of malabsorption and other factors secondary to my Crohn's disease. I'm going to take zolendronic acid soon after I get my dental clearance. It's really depressing to know that I have this disease at such an early age and I've been feeling hopeless.
Do research. Loads of good advice on RUclips. I am same position as yourself but refusing the drug as read its got terrible side effects ! Walking exercise & vibration plates. Don't let the medics frighten you! Stress is worse, worrying ! Good luck to whatever you decide! God bless!!
Me too, 56. Depressing.
Have you ever asked him if they tried people doing plank type of positions with their hands directly under their shoulders letting some of their weight rest on their hands while hands on the machine? I am thinking that might help build BMD in the arms... but not sure how shoulders would take it. If you haven't asked, perhaps in a followup update video if you so one?
I'm a personal trainer with a fair amount of experience with vibration platforms. I have had another brand (not Marodyne) and would have some of my clients hold a plank or do a pushup plank for 30 seconds. Or sometimes do down dog into up dog (yoga pushup). In some of these cases to strengthen the muscles around the shoulder. But usually 1-2 sets of 30 seconds each and not holding for 10 minutes. In plank position I would use a foam pad on the platform to take stress off the elbows.
I am curious, maybe this question has already been answered, but there are SO many machines on the market nowadays, are there 1 or 2 you could point to (or hint to) that are safe and effective? I did a search and a bit overwhelmed. At 47:00 you speak of Marodyne? (very expensive).
Do you have any price knowledge thaty you are willing to disclose?
Their website clearly discloses no price information. Must be selling for a small fortune.?
This whole scheme is highly suspect given their refusal to disclose prices or answer questions.
I wonder what this would do to anyone that has fibromyalgia and hip replacements?
There are no known contraindications associated with the use of the Marodyne, including fibromyalgia and hip replacements
@@margaretmartinpt thank you for your reply.
Please do another, so many questions not enough time. I have a rebounder is that as beneficial? What would be the comparison on time on each 15 minutes on the rebounder vs the machine? Also I have Poly Cystic Kidneys is there a problem with being on the machine?
Hi Suzette. Thank you. We did not get through all the questions. Not enough time. Perhaps we will do another session in the future.
The rebounder is not beneficial to your bone health. There is no evidence supporting it as a "bone builder". There may be other benefits but that is not the focus of my channel. I have discussed this topic enough and will not spend more time on it; until a conclusive, independent study is done that changes my position.
Here is my video on that topic: ruclips.net/video/xaLIekdLSzo/видео.html
Where can I buy the Marodyne LIV machine, to which this panel referred? I am in the United States and want to make sure I am getting the authentic Marodyne device backed by the researched discussed here and not an imitation or competitor.
You can contact Marodyne here (you will qualify for a price discount). my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/
Hi,
Is this available or shipped to Ireland?
Cost?
@@berniegriffiths2102 Yes. You can contact Marodyne here (you will qualify for a price discount). my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/
I have but never used a vibration platform .Bought some yrs ago for excersise Sold to people to aid Health & well- being. I thought about finding the pieces to it . Tonight I find this Video! .. I’m currently doing Mararets 7 knee excersises & others . Which I enjoy & she’s so informative too ! Thank you Margaret for all you do for us X
How much is your and where can I buy
I have -3 osteoporosis been wearing a weighted vest 15kg. Very scary having osteoporosis. I use a powerplate most days. I read if you have power plate set too high it can have negative impact on bones?
I have -2.9 spine, how do you know if weighted vest is safe? I'd love to try one since I love to walk
What about the PowerPlate I keep seeing advertised?
I can only comment on their claims regarding the usage of their device with respect to bone health. The evidence they provide to support its efficacy is quite weak and I recommend that you not use their product if you have osteoporosis.. I discuss this in detail here: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-treatment/power-plate-increase-bone-density/
I have osteoporosis, a compression fracture of T11/T12 and Grade I anterolisthesis of L4/L5. The latter two diagnoses were from a fall in July 2022. Would low intensity vibration plates be helpful, or would it be counter indicated--especially the anterolisthesis? I've asked several doctors and none of them even know what a vibration plate is!
I need to know the answer to this question too. Thank you!
It’s 8 months later and no response. Funny how the hard questions are ignored by those who did the video.
@@Patrick_Ross Maybe they don't know the answer and don't want to give medical advice.
U am waiting for a reply too. I have T12 compression fracture and been shopping for a vibration plate.
Can I use this machine if I have had a knee replacement?
Yes you can. The high intensity platforms like the Power Plate are unsafe
I don't see a link to purchase the LIV device?..
When would be safe to start using the Marodyne LiV device after ankle fracture surgery where screws and plate were placed?
According to Marodyne, you are safe to use the platform after you get the clearance from your physician. Contact Marodyne here for more information: my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/
Thank you!
Can you use the LIV be used if you have a neurostimulator for incontinence?
So what is the price? Why is that so hard to find out?
I don’t represent Marodyne so I am not in a position to provide a price. My understanding is that it can vary from region to region. I recommend you contact Marodyne here: my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com
@@margaretmartinpt I understand, and I feel irritated as they are not even disclosing their price on their own website. I have made contact. Thank you, Margaret.
I got one used for $1500
@@vickyminneti9566You got lucky indeed! Where would one find such a treasure?
@@akindomo My pleasure. Good luck and thank you for following me.
Does this replace the walking movement
Does it help kids grow taller?
Where can I purchase the low density Marodyne vibration platform
Hi Lydia. You can contact Marodyne here my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com
Which machine is the best? I see quite a few on Amazon and internet.
Hi Andrea. I recommend the Marodyne Low Intensity Vibration platform. See here: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/marodyne-liv-review/
It's very expensive! Is there a less expensive one but provide result. I have looked into VT0007.
@@evelyngonzaga4762I just got the vt007 and it’s really nice!!
How is this different then a vibrating bed or chair?
The signal is propagated safely through your body when you stand on the Marodyne platform. I can't comment on vibrating beds and chairs, specifically as it relates to bone health, as I have not seen any devices conform to the specifications discussed in the webinar. Thanks.
Once more the US is mostly interested in drugs because the money it gets from it is huge. A device that is proven to reduce osteoporosis is not an incentive to any pharmacologic company nor the government that is getting huge kick backs for the " approvals" of such drugs... Drugs that are proven to not improve the quality of bone and have terrible side effects. Greed seems to rule us.
Brilliantly stated. Because it's so f'g true.
If more men than women got Osteoporosis/penia and they couldn't get erections, you better believe doctors and scientists would put their thinking caps on, leave them on 24/7 until they came up with a cure.
That's another problem we have in US and other countries: There is no profit to be made in seeking cures. Our so-called "healthcare" industry CEOs are goal oriented towards, as you say, making profit.
$$$$$ over life. Greed.
Is this good for 66 67 year Olds benefit??? ❤
What is the discout code for the low intensity vibration device?
Hello. When you contact Marodyne, you can mention that you found out about them via my website "melioguide.com" or this channel. YOu can reach Marodyne here: my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/
This may sound like a dumb question but as the vibration of LIV plate stimulates the spine and the legs to slow down osteoporosis,could this vibration be affecting the organs in an adverse way? Probably not because Dr. Rubin would have probably avoided designing it that way but I’m just curious if this vibration would be different than the ones the organs work with themselves? If that makes sense?!
No, because it its low vibration. High vibration devices (seen in some gyms) apparently can have adverse effects on organs.
Sorry off the subject. Just discovered you. Have you done a video on how to put on socks with back pain? I saw one for shoes. I can use slip ons for that or the laces you discussed but putting on socks is so much harder for me. Help?
RMS Sock Aid Kit - Easy On Easy Off Device for Putting On Socks and Removing Socks
Id like to purchase a LIV marodyne machine. I hope you can give me discount code.
Hi Jan. You can access the discount code by submitting your information at Marodyne’s website: my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com
I have a life pro whole body vibration plate but I can find out what G it is. I know you prefer 0.4 how can I get this answer
Hi Ellen. You need to contact the manufacturer and ask them.
I really like this video and really want to try the device. Don't know if EU medical regulations still apply to UK.or if we have switched towards the US.. Regulations. As a 71 year old male, I feel changes but don't yet have osteoporosis. I am trying to develop my own vibration exercises but this may not work. Hope I can find a way to get hold of this device.
10 years is not a long life. I paid over 5000$ this machine
So expensive! Hopefully it does what you expect for you
Can you use the LIV marodyne if one has vasculitis.
Sorry I would like to add that my vasculitis are in my lower legs, just below my knee. Thanks
Can you give a link / more information to the studies Dr Rubin refers to re breast cancer / anti osteo drugs with vibration - and bone density changes - at the end of this video (around 1:11:13 and 1:13:45)? I’d like to learn more about that.
I created a detailed post on the interviews with Dr. Rubin here: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
If you as these company what G force is on lowest setting they never answer. I’ve done it several times. Ignoring is an answer in itself😉
Thank you. My impression is that they do not want to talk about the G Force because of the issues raised in this webinar by Dr. Rubin and discussed in more detail here: ruclips.net/video/gvtHKCdqdKM/видео.html
Yes exactly
at 6:18 Ian Cutts says 0.4 G force