I think this is a remarkable device. Which could benefit many people. I think the price as set currently is immoral. If this device really cost so much that between four and $5,000 has to be the price that is fine but a similar device could be made without all of the bells and whistles for a much more modest price making it accessible too poor and middle-income people. Resulting savings to our insurance complex would be dramatic and more of them pay for it.
You're not just paying for the device, you are also paying for all the costs associated with the research & development, and the costs to put the study together and execute it long enough to extract the data (and the scans that each person in the study had to have in order to have said data). Surely you realize this, logically? Anyone can slap a motor on a board and make it vibrate. That takes ZERO talent or skills, and has ZERO data to back up whether or not it actually WORKS. I mean, you're not a young guy. Surely by now you understand how this works? You likely also know that it . costs more money to initially manufacture something and, as demand increases and you increase production (because demands has increased), manufacturing costs go down. This is business 101. Did you *not* watch the video where the researcher talks about how much the clinical trials cost and how difficult it was to get people to volunteer? If not, you need to go watch it. I also agree with you that it is cost prohibitive for most people...right now. ...and your insurance company doesn't care about you...at all. They're hoping to extract enough money from you and then have you suddenly die. That's true for your car insurance, too. It's cheaper for the health and auto insurance companies if you die, then if they have to pay to restore your health if something serious happens.
@@W Anthony, There’s a high frequency low amplitude machine that’s on that big online store that sounds like a jungle for 400. I hope this helps!! ❤
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👋🏻 hi Margaret , I’m 62 and been diagnosed with osteoporosis, ordered the Marodyne Liv device last March and finally getting it this Tuesday👏🏼I’m so excited I can’t way to use it. I paid $2990.000.
That's fabulous, Bernadette. You must be thrilled. Could I ask whether you are on osteo medication and were you doing any other exercise, or do you put this increase down to use of the Marodyne and improved diet? Thank you.
@@magpiegirl3783 I was not on any osteoporosis medication nor have I ever been. I increased my walking, I was already doing some exercise weight bearing. I added extra D3 and Magnesium I added k2 and Marine Collagen and I am taking a small amount of strontium 250mg and Resvertrol. I made sure the dexa scan was taken at the same place and a bone marker test taken at the same time also showed a big improvement.
@@magpiegirl3783 I haven't changed my diet much but I have added prunes, I have about five most days and I have a plum extract queen garnet plum that I sprinkle on some yoghurt most days also. I would say my increase would be a combination of all these and definitely the vibration plate. I listed the other things I do. I have had no fractures so even though my bones were low density spine -3.4 femur -3.2 and have had a number of heavy falls I felt, and it is only my opinion that bone quality my be just as important as bone density.
Being in my early 40s, I did get a kick of how it seemed for a moment there that adults were defined as 50+ Thank you, Margaret 😘 Us kids also enjoy your channel.
I purchased the LiV when the $250 discount was offered on your yourtube video. I think that was 2+ years ago. I do your exercise routines 2.5 yrs also. And have used the LiV daily until about 5 months ago. I injured my back (sleeping in ill fitting recliner), but now am experiencing difficulty getting it completely pain free. I realized I don't think I heard the researcher who developed it address the following question in your interviews, which I am now asking myself: Should I be using the LiV when I am experiencing back pain? Even if it could be due to compression issues beginning in my back ? I don't believe I've ever heard this question addressed in the videos........
Hi Margaret, thank you for all you do for those with osteoporosis. I have been corresponding with Marodyne and have the opportunity to purchase one. My purchase is largely based on this review and my respect for your opinion. This video review was made 2 years ago. Do you still feel strongly that the Marodyne LIV is beneficial? I lift weights, play pickleball and walk a lot. This could fill in some gaps for me. It would not replace anything. There was a study done by Dr Belinda Beck and she discusses her findings in a RUclips from 2 months ago and clearly states it doesn’t work. I would like to hear if your position has changed since posting this. Thank you.
Margaret, I’m very interested in the Marodyne and all the osteoporosis benefits you demonstrated. The cost is holding me way back. Pretty bummed. But I called the company and they occasionally offer refurbished machines fully tested and warrantied. On the list! $3k vs $1500
Hi Vicky. My understanding is that there is a lot of engineering design built into the device to make it easy for people to use. The device has to be safe, to since many people have to use it. The low cost vibration platforms are actually dangerous to use.
Thank you so much Margaret! This has been life-saving information. I got my Marodyne nine days ago and use it 3 times daily. Looking forwarding to my next dexa scan to see if my severe osteoporosis improves.
I and my husband find that after prolonged use of the marodyne (over a daily use of one year) we both have stiffness and pain in our calves. Do you have any idea why this may be happening and are we using it too often, need to change position OR? Thanks
A very detailed presentation of this very good vibration platform. Above all with practical tips for everyday life and how it works in operation. And this device is made in germany.
Hi Margaret, been watching your Chanel for a year or so. Couple of months ago, I was diagnosed with Osteoporosis. Came across your this video. Thank you for making this video. Went to their website through your link and sent my info. to them. Unfortunately, I don't see any reviews made by people in USA. The few they have are mostly from UK. Is there not anyone from USA or the other parts of the world, even in Canada who have used this machine for bone health? Since this video was made a year ago, any new information on this machine or topic? As a PT, have any of your clients used it? Thanks.
Hi, thank you for the wonderful video. I have osteoporosis of the left femur bone and osteopenia of the back and hips. I also have had rheumatoid arthritis for 23 years. I’m 68. I have used the device since 11/5/21. My hips have stopped twitching at night. I put it on Care Credit $3080, for one year, as I live in the US, and pay it off monthly. I feel it is worth it. Ever since I’ve had it it has had a loud alarm, sometimes when I finish the ten minutes and sometimes when I get off during the ten minutes. I am sending the device back tomorrow 1/27/22, to be fixed. It will take one week. And, I do hot pilates without the heat six times a week, 45 minutes a session. Thank you, Ellen
It’s been two days now without the device. I can now see how much the device has been helping me. Without it I’ve had hip pain at night and pain and stiffness in my back during the day. I can’t wait to get the device back from repair.
Thank you for your comment. It is wonderful of you to share your story. My Marodyne device also makes a loud noise to let me know I am done or if I step off in between. It is just a feature of the machine. I don’t know if there is anything wrong with it but it is good to have it checked out. Stopping the device for one week will not make a difference. By the time you do your next bone density test you will have over 700 sessions on the vibration platform. If you want to boost the benefit you can add a second 10-minute session in your day. Allow 3 - 5 hours between sessions for maximum benefit. It is great that you are practicing Pilates but please be sure that you are not doing any contraindicated movements. There are many moves in Pilates that can put your spine at risk. Because of your RA the dexa scan is giving you a false reading. Making your spine score look osteopenic rather than osteoporotic. This can seem confusing but the reason is that when we have arthritis we get bone spurs and changes to the bone that do not make out bones stronger but do make our bones look stronger - the machine is not very smart. So please take care, Margaret
Thank you Margaret for your important reply. When I get the device back I will let you know how it is doing alarm wise. Yes, I understand I’m not to do rounding of the back, sit ups, and be careful with twisting movements. I think the main thing is to keep proper alignment, is that correct? I understand fractures in the spine can be silent. I am going to find a physical therapist in my locality that can help me develop an osteoporosis program. I read your book and that was helpful. The Marodyne Liv is such a great machine. It has helped my balance, lessened my pain, given me more confidence that I can turn my osteoporosis diagnosis around. I do plan to use the device twice a day when I get it back. Thank you so much for your kind reply.
When I first turned my Marodyne on I had it on a tiled bathroom floor and it made a loud alarm. That means the machine is not completely flat on the floor. Just moving it around slightly enabled it to register that it was flat and I was able to use it. I don't generally move it around - I have a spot for it, but sometimes, even if I haven't moved the machine, it will still sound the alarm, so I just move it slightly.
One more question please. My osteoporosis is in my spine. I watched all your interviews with Dr Rubin. I also read anything I can find on this device. I’m I correct in thinking that the vibration goes up through the spine? Therefore, hopefully it should strengthen my spine… Thank you
@@susanwilson5820 Yes, it does. The signal goes through your body all the way to your head. You will experience a quiet chattering of your teeth. This indicates that the signal is going through your hips and your spine. A couple of important items. 1./ Do not bend your knees. This will weaken the signal. 2./ The reason why the $200 - $2000 whole body vibration platforms tell you to bend your knees is to weaken the signal. The signal on these platforms is so strong that there have been cases of retinal detachment. These are described in detail in my post: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/ 3./ Readers who want a price discount can visit this page and leave their contact information: my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/ Good luck.
Ive been using a vibratory platform for five years. I’m 67 and it has helped knee pain, squatting, and overall posture and bone health. I use purely as a complementary exercise regimen.
hi do you use a regular vibration platform just turned on a low setting? I had heard that some vibration plates do more harm than good so would be itnerested to know if you just use a regular one on a low setting. TIA
@@avrilf4252 hi hope your ok…I have a rather complex platform ie expensive with many features…I use mostly a low setting..with that being said it took a couple of weeks 3 times a week to really feel positive…never had a negative work on the plate..most of these vibratory plates have a 30 day return policy..I have been working out mildly for many years so you will always find someone to be negative while knowing the purpose of the plate I find it difficult to imagine it hurting you…I will say if you have poor cartilage tendons around your knees, which we all do start light. I’m 6’4 240 and my sore hips back and knees all improved. Good luck contact anytime
Thank you for this video Margaret. I'm Australian and made enquiries about the Marodyne here. Only one medical firm supplies it here and it costs $4,500 plus tax and freight. So, I decided to bite the bullet and invest in this given I'm at 3.0 T score in my spine. I'm doing your exercises and reformer pilates with a physiotherapist who understands resistance training needs for bone health. I am still confused about the amount of time you need to spend on this machine to optimise results. I keep hearing Dr Rubin talk about 10 minutes either in one session, or 2 x 5 min sessions every day, but in one of your video talks with him you asked whether it could be done more times in the day and he said yes but did not explain whether it could be another 10 minutes or less time. Can you please clarify? I understand if you do more than one session, they need to be 3 to 5 hours apart. So ... can you do 2 sessions of 10 mins each with 5 hours between? And can you do light arm exercises during a session? Also, is it best to do some exercise immediately after your Marodyne session such as a walk or one of your exercise routines? Thanks so much.
Hi Sandra. Congrats. Lotsa questions! It is important that you continue your exercise program outside of you Marodyne time. Keep up the good work. 1./ The default time on the device is 10 minutes per session. Stick with that time. Await the refractory period (several hours) before another 10 minute session (or your exercise program). 2./ You can do light arm exercises but you need to maintain alignment to ensure the signal propagates through your skeleton. 3./ Depending on your schedule it would be great if you could have your 10 minute Marodyne session and then follow several hours later with your osteoporosis strength training, weight bearing ...
@@Magpie Girl, these are great questions that definitely needed answers. And it’s thanks to you that I’m here!! You commented under another WBV video, and I’m thankful! :) Also wanted to say that there is controversy on Dexa… I don’t believe it to be a reliable home scan. I advise research on that, and it unnecessarily scares a lot of people! ❤
I did buy one of these marodyne liv units. And in reading the booklet that comes with it, nowhere does it mention helping with bone density! It mentions helping with muscles but nowwhere did i see anything about bones. So this is disconcerting to me. I spent $3000 plus on it. Just got it today for expressly the purpose of helping with my osteoporosis along with my diet, supplements and other regular exercise gosh i hope i didnt buy a pig in a poke please address this
@@Artis-yb1pd I’m interested in what she says about the Osteoboost. It now has FDA clearance. It does require a prescription. They do have data on their website. They just did a zoom a couple weeks ago. Looks very promising. I asked about the Marodyne specifically. They feel the Marodyne is good if you need bone density in the foot, ankle etc but feel their product is in a better position to help where most of our bones need help. It sits low on the waist. If I were wealthy I’d buy both.
Unfortunately, it doesn't appear so. Marodyne and Juvent are the only ones available. Personally, I'd go with the Marodyne. I checked out Juvent's "comparison chart" that was apparently created as a hit job on the Marodyne LIV. Numerous claims they made were deceptive, in my opinion.
Excellent tutorial, Margaret. Your vids have saved me from making a terrible, innocent-but-ignorant mistake by purchasing a slickly marketed but dangerous platform for a woman with osteoporosis.
@@rhoz5191 I don't think Margaret Martin addressed this specifically. To answer your question, one has to begin with ISO (International Organization for Standardization) approval. ISO certification is a seal of approval from a third-party that attests that a company's device, machine, or material meets certain standards of safety, whole-body vibration being one measure tested. Excess vibration is a known cause of both acute and chronic injury to a range of physiologic systems, including the musculoskeletal, circulatory, and nervous system. ISO certification indicates experts have looked at a product and it does not exceed levels that could be injurious. I did a brief survey of the twenty or so WBV platforms on Amazon and could not find one that had ISO certification. I read several hundred one-star reviews of five or six platforms and found comments claiming the use of the unit had caused some people immediate, acute, and sometimes serious health problems. One customer allegedly experienced potential life-threatening a-fibs, another chronic pain, a third a detached retina, another chronic insomnia, and a fourth dangerously elevated blood pressure. I might have missed something but I did not see any of these units touted as having ISO certification, nor did they mention the g-force experienced by the body while using the unit. There appear to be only two platforms that have ISO certification. The first is the Marodyne LIV (Low-intensity vibration) and the Juvent device. Both also are approved as medical devices; Juvent in the U.S. and the Marodyne in the U.K., Australia, and I presume Germany as well as other nations in the E.U. Consequently, the answer to your question is that all WBV-high-intensity platforms are potentially unsafe and I would feel confident that some uses of every unit other than the Juvent and Marodyne are exposing themselves to potentially injurious levels of vibration and g-force. Remember, it can take years for certain things to create health problems--smoking, alcohol abuse, and a sedentary lifestyle are only three. High-Intensity whole-body vibration platforms may be a fourth.
@@andredarin8966 thank you for this comprehensive answer. Sounds like Juvent is the only one available in the US and both researched and developed by the same people. My main concern is the exclusivity of them- also with distributors it sounds much like other multilevel marketing schemes, not that that is an inherently bad thing, but it does make me wonder if it is too good to be true. (Hey- I still use my Chi machine” from two decades ago 😊) The manufacturers must have patented proprietary technology I suppose. The warning on the less expensive versions is very good to know. Though have specific studies been done with these to verify? We on the low income scale will be challenged to participate in this healthy and bone supporting trend. After all we are a capitalist society it seems. Perhaps there will be a trend for gyms,etc. to have these for public use. Thank you.
@@andredarin8966 Wow .. thank you for the detailed information, may I ask if you have come across Power Plate? since they do have settings of vibration from 30-45 hertz and they have low and high magnitude settings .. they have different sizes and models, I really hope one of their models is safe and medical, since it is the only brand available where I live. And I do need one for osteoporosis treatment. thank you again
Hi, this is an interesting item however it is something I could not afford. I am wondering your thoughts about a rebounder? Thank you for being there for us Seniors with your videos, they are much needed. Keep safe :)
hi i saw an interview with someone i dont remember who on youtube and this question was asked. short answer is rebounder is better than nothing but as you want to have 'impact' on your bones the rebounder actually softens the impact. to be certain to make your own decision though try googling the question and some more answers might come up. also check out if you havent bob and brad on youtube as they have a lot of info on things you can do in shorts bursts throughout the day at home to help our bones..
@@avrilf4252 Thank you. I have glanced at Bob & Brad with intentions of checking them out more, guess I'd should do so, they seem interesting. Have a good day :)
Margaret, just found your videos. about 20 years ago I had a 'almost' detached retina. completely healed on its own(Praise God)would it be okay for me to start using this machine or any other WBV? really want to use it to enhance faster wt loss and not have to use heavy wts all the time. TFR
Thank you for this information - after reading the other comments and seeing the price - hope I can add myself to a list to purchase a refurbished one down the road. I am also intrigued by your laptop stand that you used towards the end of your video - can you please tell me the brand and do you like it enough to recommend that I get one? Thank you for all you do in helping us out in cyber space.
Thank you very much. Very well made video indeed. And what is the name / brand of the device you use just under your laptop. It looks very good and these are difficult to find! Thanks in advance!
Hi, really found you review helpful. I'm 63 and have had ankylosing spondylitis for 45 years, developed an L3/4 compression fracture and have now been diagnosed with osteoporosis (-2.5) of the vertebrae and ostepenia of the hip. Do you think this equipment be appropriate for me to use and hopefully prevent any further advancement of the osteoporosis. Any advice gratefully received. Thanks.
I heard of possible issues with optic nerve being affected by this- any info or thoughts? 🙏 also could it affect tinnitus- wow every little thing vibrating 🤨
I am a 70 year old female with osteopenia, I have been watching your utubes for several months and have subscribed to your channel. I purchased a Marodyne Liv Vibration Platform this week and am excited that it will be delivered in a couple of weeks. I will be purchasing your beginner exercise workout for osteopenia and strong bones. I watched a video recently where you talked about posture in chairs, etc. I can't find that video and I am interested in finding the proper support (low back) for chair, vehicle and airplane seats. Can you share your recommendations? Thanks
Thank you for your very informative videos on this vibration platform, very much appreciated. There are two companies in the US - COPA Health Care and ValMedX - that sale this vibration platform, both in Florida. Which one do you recommend? Thank you.
Hi, l can get a vitality 600 machine from a friend. I have severe osteoarthritis and are not taking meds. I am very fit, do you think this machine will be fine for me? Thanks in advance
Is the price the current price? Will it work in Europe with a DC connector? Will it cause the performance of the plate to be different? If purchase is it possible for the company to change the existing electric system for Europe when it will be taken over seas?
You mention there aren't contraindications. Any thoughts on whether it would be a good tool for those with neurological conditions? I have MS (CNS). TQ for any info or tips for additional information.
Appreciate the video Margaret. I was diagnosed with mild osteoporosis of the lower spine in 2020 and have my next DEXA in a couple of months. I’ve been faithfully using the Marodyne for about six months and hope it along with your exercise program I’ve been doing for almost 2 years will improve my score. Question - I want to take care of the machine and have been leaving it on. Do you happen to know if it might be better to power on and off each day. Thank you
Good question. Thanks for following my exercise program. I checked the user manual and did not see a mention of whether it is best to turn off the device when not in use. You might want to contact the distributor who sold you the device. I turn mine off during the day because 1./ I am sensitive about using too much energy and 2./ I find most electrical devices need a periodic reset.
Yes, the Marodyne LiV is safe post spinal fusion surgery. Dr Rubin even mentioned to me that some spinal surgeons are recommending it to accelerate recovery. All the best, Margaret
I totally agree about the price point on this machine, BUT, as someone who is helping my sister navigate a broken hip, that can’t be fixed and stage 4 cancer, have you been to an er lately. One visit, and your $3500 will be gone and then some. I’m pulling the trigger and getting this machine.
Do you seriously expect her to explain WHY they made the design choices they made??? I mean, get real. If you want an answer, use basic common sense and contact the company and ask.
Hi, I do osteogenic loading at Osteostrong. They have vibration plates and guide clients to do exercises including bending for 2 minutes before and after sessions. Even though I've increased my bone density, after learning from you I'm concerned about continuing to use the vibration plates. Wondering if a Marodyne vibration plate alone would work better?
3 years ago I went to a free introductory session at Osteostrong. Afterwards I asked my doctor about them but he didn’t know anything about them, but he did say the vibration plates do help osteoporosis. I was diagnosed with osteopenia at the same time so I bought a vibration plate on Amazon for $100 (less than 1 month fee at Osteostrong) and my latest scan done 6 months ago shows I no longer have osteopenia.
I've read a report of retinal detachment using a vibration platform, which really concerns me. I'd love to use one for osteoporosis, but I'm too afraid of retinal detachment.
I am a 52 year old female, active with weights and cardio, but I would like this as an 'insurance' package. For example, if I currently have a hamstring injury and cannot do weight bearing or weight reisistance to the extent of bone density impacts. I would plan to use this daily for 10 minutes, whether I've been able to work out or not. Do you think this unit would still be beneficial?
@@margaretmartinpt Thank you for the prompt response. I should have mentioned that I do have osteoporosis and currently am not on meds, but I know that may well change in the future. I'm purchasing today. Have a great day, Margaret.
Margaret, generally speaking , better bone density and quality means less pain ? Have you had many clients report pain reduction after using the plate for a good while ? And does the plate help the bones of the arms as well ?
Hello, Osteoporosis is not the cause for your pain unless you have fractured. There is no correlation between bone density, bone quality and pain. However, osteoarthritis can be painful and I and others have been told by users of the Marodyne LiV that is reduces their pain and helps them move better. No studies on this though. All the best, Margaret
I review the Marodyne LIV (Low Intensity Vibration) platform for osteoporosis and bone health. I cover how to set up and use the device. Visit here to learn more: bit.ly/3UFnZop
Hello! I am a PT, 59 years old and diagnosed with severe osteoporosis most likely due to a chemo drug and the steroids given during chemo. I am still on immunotherapy but am in remission. Is there any contraindications for cancer patients similar to contraindications for use of US and E-stim for cancer patients?
Thank you Margaret for this video. I did read the article and I’m still not clear. My vibration plate ranges between 4-15 hz and I use it only on the low setting. Are you saying that is not healthy? It should be 30hz? Thank you.
Thank you for your interesting videos Margaret! I would love to use this technique for my osteopenia but unfortunately this specific machine is too expensive for me. Are the cheap ones on the market really nasty? I found one that says to work at 30Hz with about 299 speed levels, with no specification about the G-force. Would it be any good in your opinion? Thank you
I’ve seen vibration platforms that are $100, $200, $300, $500 dollars. Yours, the Marodyne is $3000. What does yours do in terms of vibration that the less expensive platforms do not?
Spending time researching for a low-frequency vibration plate, but so many on Amazon at reasonable prices but concerned about too strong a vibration at the lowest level. Any economy-priced plates here in the US? Thanks
Hello. I too have contacted them by email regarding a refurbished unit and never heard from them. This was at least 3 months ago. I saw on some of the reviews that they are don’t reply.
They're probably not offering refurbished machines anymore, or the list is so long, they know they'll never be able to fill it. ...or if they're truly nefarious, they're delaying hoping you'll bite the bullet and buy one at full price.
Hi! I just bought my marodyne. I can feel my teeth catheter and jaws vibrate, and sometimes my tummy and hips, but not in any other part of my body. Is this correct or should I feel it right through from feet to jaws?
For many years II have had a pinched nerve in one foot and metatarsalgia in both. Orthotics have successfully addressed both issues by redistributing my weight. Can I wear my orthotics when standing on the Marodyne? The orthotics are rigid and made of hard plastic. They extend from my heels almost to the metatarsals.
@@margaretmartinpt I filled out the form a couple days ago but still haven't been contacted. Do you prefer the Marodyne over the Juvent? Or what do you see as the differences?
@@BlueBonnetGirl1 The Marodyne is based on more recent resear and is a lower price compared to the Juvent. Please visit my Contact page and I will direct yo to the right resources in Marodyne. Thanks. melioguide.com/contact/
I want to buy this. Can anyone tell me if you’ve had a heart attack? Can you use the vibration plate? my ejection fraction went back to normal. I only take one medication. I’m feeling great.
Hi Fernanda. My understanding is that there is a lot of engineering design built into the device to make it easy for people to use. The device has to be safe, to since many people have to use it. The low cost vibration platforms are actually dangerous to use.
@@margaretmartinpt thank you for replying, I do some of your exercises, I have ostheopenia, fibromyalgia since I was very young and I have spinal issues, my posture and balance is way off ,I’m seeing a chiropractor and physiotherapist.❤️
@@fernandajanicas5776 Thank you. You are taking the right steps to improve your bone health. If you cannot afford the Marodyne, I encourage you to follow my exercise program. Thanks
I emailed the company to understand how much the device cost and never got a reply. Does anyone know how much that is? The fact that you said it’s expensive doesn’t give me too much hope for having the possibility to buy it. I’m young and have osteoporosis as a malabsorption issue, so I’m really looking for a good-effective add on to integrate the already healthy eating, exercising, sun exposure protocols and the medication I have to take which is usually thought to not be so effective. Is it possible that there’s no other affordable efficacious device on the market yet? I can’t believe it. Any advice? Thank you.
Thank you so much. My dexa report is in today and Im afraid to open it. I know my doc will want me to take fosamax or something. Can you recommend a cheaper machine for those of us with limited funds or any idea if medical insurance ever pays for the Marodyne?
Hi. I cannot a different device. My understanding is that there is a lot of engineering design built into the device to make it easy for people to use. The device has to be safe, to since many people have to use it. The low cost vibration platforms are actually dangerous to use.
@@margaretmartinpt Margaret, I have contacted the company. My question is: Since I am pretty fit already by weight lifting, cardio and doing your elite level in Exercise For Better Bones six days a week, would this device still be a benefit to me? Thank you 😊
@@susanwilson5820 Hi Susan. Sounds like you are doing everything within your control. Congrats. The answer to your question is ... depends. A key variable is age. The older people are, the lower the density of mesenchymal stem cells (that become bone, cartilage or fat). Hence older people will benefit more than young people from low intensity vibration. In fact, people who are in their late teens and into their twenties - who exercise (a must) - will gain little benefit from a LiV. I do not know how old you are or your particular situation (beyond the scope of this exchange on RUclips) so I cannot give more guidance than that. If you are advanced in age and do the Exercise for Better Bones program, you are probably okay. However, if you want everything in your favor (and can afford it), then a LiV is another feather in your cap. If you were advanced in age, trending to low bone density and do little exercise, then the LiV is recommended. The alternative is pharmaceutical intervention.
My sister used a vibration plate (not low intensity) and the pin from her foot surgery broke and she needed surgery to fix. There's absolutely no contraindications for this plate for those of use who have pins in our feet? Thank you!
@@margaretmartinpt Thank you! We have bad feet, many pins, so good to know...I have osteopenia and want to keep it from progressing. I will go to the site and check it all out. Thanks again.
Please made video of the many benefits of PEMF and bone health/loss as well a general health and wellbeing. An MRI showed that my wife who has severe scolisis had 7 lumbar compression fractors, using an intense PEMF machine and a very weak pemf loop front and back the next mri report showed NO compression fractors.
Thank you so much for your excellent videos and helpful insight and research into non-chemical help for osteoporosis! I have not seen any discussion on the use of light-weight (< 5 pounds) hand-weights while on the Marodyne for an additional arm workout at the same time. Can, or should, hand-weights be used, while maintaining good posture (feeling the vibration in the jaw) while on the Marodyne? I wonder if you, Dr. Belinda Beck, or Dr. Ruben have any guidance.
Fabulous question. I have been doing some light weight arm exercises. I can still feel the vibration through to my jaw, so I must be maintaining posture and receiving the signal.
No you will not. In fact, the usage of that type of plate could be quite dangerous. Read here: melioguide.com/physical-therapy-continuing-education/whole-body-vibration-therapy-contraindications/
This is not a risk with low intensity vibration platforms, like the Marodyne. However, they a real risk with high intensity platforms. This articles covers your question and more here: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-treatment/can-you-use-vibration-plate/
Does this gentle vibration actually help with muscle toning?? I certainly that along with building bone. Seems unlikely. I look forward to replies as I am past ready to own a machine. Thank you!
I generally enjoy your videos because your health reviews tend to rely on evidence and are more reluctant to dive into fads, than some other YT content creators. You've been a reality check. However for this machine, you flat out say there are no contraindications and yet I see many other sources listing several, including warnings for those with osteoporosis of the spine because damage could be done. Can you bring up more scientific evidence regarding the realities around this machine?
I am a healthcare worker that is into resistance training with athletic built myself for a long time. Diagnosed with Osteopenia and recently osteoporosis because of long time use of Thyroid replacement Therapy (Thyroid removed). My question is where can I buy this platform, how much does it cost ? Is this available in Canada?
Yes. The product is available in Canada. The best way to contact the Marodyne representative is to leave your contact information on this page. You will also receive a discount if you use this page. Thanks. my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/
The price is so obscene they are ashamed to tell you. The excuse here is that you are paying for the cost of the research - which was done by a government worker, university guy paid by you the taxpayer and now charging you again you who payed for this "research" adding insult to injury . . . you decide :) pure greed and corruption. 😂 laughing all the way to the bank.
Hi Margaret, how do people like me who work full time use it 3-5 hours apart? I could use it at 7 am but not shown till around 5:30-6.. will I still get the benefits? Thank you ! Angela
Hi Angela. You will benefit because you will use it several times through the day. The shorter the duration between the sessions, the better but your approach will generate positive results, regardless.
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I think this is a remarkable device. Which could benefit many people. I think the price as set currently is immoral. If this device really cost so much that between four and $5,000 has to be the price that is fine but a similar device could be made without all of the bells and whistles for a much more modest price making it accessible too poor and middle-income people. Resulting savings to our insurance complex would be dramatic and more of them pay for it.
You're not just paying for the device, you are also paying for all the costs associated with the research & development, and the costs to put the study together and execute it long enough to extract the data (and the scans that each person in the study had to have in order to have said data). Surely you realize this, logically?
Anyone can slap a motor on a board and make it vibrate. That takes ZERO talent or skills, and has ZERO data to back up whether or not it actually WORKS.
I mean, you're not a young guy. Surely by now you understand how this works? You likely also know that it . costs more money to initially manufacture something and, as demand increases and you increase production (because demands has increased), manufacturing costs go down.
This is business 101. Did you *not* watch the video where the researcher talks about how much the clinical trials cost and how difficult it was to get people to volunteer? If not, you need to go watch it.
I also agree with you that it is cost prohibitive for most people...right now.
...and your insurance company doesn't care about you...at all. They're hoping to extract enough money from you and then have you suddenly die. That's true for your car insurance, too. It's cheaper for the health and auto insurance companies if you die, then if they have to pay to restore your health if something serious happens.
@@le_th_ this research was sponsored through university, thus government thus us the taxpayer ultimately.
@@W Anthony,
There’s a high frequency low amplitude machine that’s on that big online store that sounds like a jungle for 400.
I hope this helps!! ❤
I have one I off from QVC did not cost but couple hundred dollars
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👋🏻 hi Margaret , I’m 62 and been diagnosed with osteoporosis, ordered the Marodyne Liv device last March and finally getting it this Tuesday👏🏼I’m so excited I can’t way to use it. I paid $2990.000.
Canadian or america?
@@sophieg8522
Tx America
may i ask if Marodyne Liv device has improve your bone density ? Thank you.
@@idalehn5258hello can you give an update on your vibrating device? Thx
Same question as Karen's has it improved your bone density?
I had 11.5% increase in my spine and a 15.5% increase in my femur in 12 months. Used this daily and also added supplements.
Thank you for sharing and congratulations on your good work. Impressive.
That's fabulous, Bernadette. You must be thrilled. Could I ask whether you are on osteo medication and were you doing any other exercise, or do you put this increase down to use of the Marodyne and improved diet? Thank you.
@@magpiegirl3783 I was not on any osteoporosis medication nor have I ever been. I increased my walking, I was already doing some exercise weight bearing. I added extra D3 and Magnesium I added k2 and Marine Collagen and I am taking a small amount of strontium 250mg and Resvertrol. I made sure the dexa scan was taken at the same place and a bone marker test taken at the same time also showed a big improvement.
@@magpiegirl3783 I haven't changed my diet much but I have added prunes, I have about five most days and I have a plum extract queen garnet plum that I sprinkle on some yoghurt most days also. I would say my increase would be a combination of all these and definitely the vibration plate. I listed the other things I do. I have had no fractures so even though my bones were low density spine -3.4 femur -3.2 and have had a number of heavy falls I felt, and it is only my opinion that bone quality my be just as important as bone density.
@@bernadettemirabelli602 Thank you for sharing this information!
Being in my early 40s, I did get a kick of how it seemed for a moment there that adults were defined as 50+ Thank you, Margaret 😘 Us kids also enjoy your channel.
Happy to hear that you enjoy the channel and glad that you can join us!
I purchased the LiV when the $250 discount was offered on your yourtube video. I think that was 2+ years ago. I do your exercise routines 2.5 yrs also. And have used the LiV daily until about 5 months ago. I injured my back (sleeping in ill fitting recliner), but now am experiencing difficulty getting it completely pain free.
I realized I don't think I heard the researcher who developed it address the following question in your interviews, which I am now asking myself: Should I be using the LiV when I am experiencing back pain? Even if it could be due to compression issues beginning in my back ? I don't believe I've ever heard this question addressed in the videos........
Hi Margaret, thank you for all you do for those with osteoporosis. I have been corresponding with Marodyne and have the opportunity to purchase one. My purchase is largely based on this review and my respect for your opinion. This video review was made 2 years ago. Do you still feel strongly that the Marodyne LIV is beneficial? I lift weights, play pickleball and walk a lot. This could fill in some gaps for me. It would not replace anything. There was a study done by Dr Belinda Beck and she discusses her findings in a RUclips from 2 months ago and clearly states it doesn’t work. I would like to hear if your position has changed since posting this. Thank you.
Margaret, I’m very interested in the Marodyne and all the osteoporosis benefits you demonstrated. The cost is holding me way back. Pretty bummed. But I called the company and they occasionally offer refurbished machines fully tested and warrantied. On the list! $3k vs $1500
What is the cost of this device, do you know?
Hi Vicky. My understanding is that there is a lot of engineering design built into the device to make it easy for people to use. The device has to be safe, to since many people have to use it. The low cost vibration platforms are actually dangerous to use.
Can it be placed on a carpet? I don’t have any hard floors apart from the kitchen.
@@rosemarybaxter9120 The Marodyne documentation states that if you use a carpet, it needs to be a thin carpet.
@@helpfulnatural $3K - too rich for my blood. Wish they would design a lower cost unit.
Thank you so much Margaret!
This has been life-saving information.
I got my Marodyne nine days ago and use it 3 times daily. Looking forwarding to my next dexa scan to see if my severe osteoporosis improves.
May I please ask how much it cost you, if you're in the US?
@@gijoyjoy It cost me $3,156 with the discount link from Melio Guide.
@@Zan1T2 I used the link Margaret Martin provided. From there I was directed to a distributor in my country. They replied in less than 24 hours.
May I ask if your dexa scan has shown improvement on your osteoporosis ? Thank you.
@@karenoun8156 i haven't had a dexa scan yet. Will let you know when I do.
I and my husband find that after prolonged use of the marodyne (over a daily use of one year) we both have stiffness and pain in our calves. Do you have any idea why this may be happening and are we using it too often, need to change position OR? Thanks
A very detailed presentation of this very good vibration platform. Above all with practical tips for everyday life and how it works in operation. And this device is made in germany.
Glad it was helpful!
@@margaretmartinpt I like all your videos and your way of explaining and demonstrating. thank you 😊
Hi Margaret, been watching your Chanel for a year or so. Couple of months ago, I was diagnosed with Osteoporosis. Came across your this video. Thank you for making this video. Went to their website through your link and sent my info. to them. Unfortunately, I don't see any reviews made by people in USA. The few they have are mostly from UK. Is there not anyone from USA or the other parts of the world, even in Canada who have used this machine for bone health? Since this video was made a year ago, any new information on this machine or topic? As a PT, have any of your clients used it? Thanks.
Thank you so much for sharing this! I’ve read about this device, but was a bit skeptical. Since watching you, I’m excited. Thank you, again.
Thank you.
Hi, thank you for the wonderful video. I have osteoporosis of the left femur bone and osteopenia of the back and hips. I also have had rheumatoid arthritis for 23 years. I’m 68. I have used the device since 11/5/21. My hips have stopped twitching at night. I put it on Care Credit $3080, for one year, as I live in the US, and pay it off monthly. I feel it is worth it. Ever since I’ve had it it has had a loud alarm, sometimes when I finish the ten minutes and sometimes when I get off during the ten minutes. I am sending the device back tomorrow 1/27/22, to be fixed. It will take one week. And, I do hot pilates without the heat six times a week, 45 minutes a session. Thank you,
Ellen
It’s been two days now without the device. I can now see how much the device has been helping me. Without it I’ve had hip pain at night and pain and stiffness in my back during the day. I can’t wait to get the device back from repair.
Thank you for your comment. It is wonderful of you to share your story.
My Marodyne device also makes a loud noise to let me know I am done or if I step off in between. It is just a feature of the machine. I don’t know if there is anything wrong with it but it is good to have it checked out.
Stopping the device for one week will not make a difference. By the time you do your next bone density test you will have over 700 sessions on the vibration platform.
If you want to boost the benefit you can add a second 10-minute session in your day. Allow 3 - 5 hours between sessions for maximum benefit.
It is great that you are practicing Pilates but please be sure that you are not doing any contraindicated movements. There are many moves in Pilates that can put your spine at risk. Because of your RA the dexa scan is giving you a false reading. Making your spine score look osteopenic rather than osteoporotic. This can seem confusing but the reason is that when we have arthritis we get bone spurs and changes to the bone that do not make out bones stronger but do make our bones look stronger - the machine is not very smart. So please take care,
Margaret
Thank you Margaret for your important reply. When I get the device back I will let you know how it is doing alarm wise. Yes, I understand I’m not to do rounding of the back, sit ups, and be careful with twisting movements. I think the main thing is to keep proper alignment, is that correct? I understand fractures in the spine can be silent. I am going to find a physical therapist in my locality that can help me develop an osteoporosis program. I read your book and that was helpful. The Marodyne Liv is such a great machine. It has helped my balance, lessened my pain, given me more confidence that I can turn my osteoporosis diagnosis around. I do plan to use the device twice a day when I get it back. Thank you so much for your kind reply.
When I first turned my Marodyne on I had it on a tiled bathroom floor and it made a loud alarm. That means the machine is not completely flat on the floor. Just moving it around slightly enabled it to register that it was flat and I was able to use it. I don't generally move it around - I have a spot for it, but sometimes, even if I haven't moved the machine, it will still sound the alarm, so I just move it slightly.
@@magpiegirl3783 Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for getting back with me. I should have told you my age. I’m 67. I agree that this could be another feather in my cap. Thanks again.
You are welcome.
One more question please. My osteoporosis is in my spine. I watched all your interviews with Dr Rubin. I also read anything I can find on this device. I’m I correct in thinking that the vibration goes up through the spine? Therefore, hopefully it should strengthen my spine… Thank you
@@susanwilson5820 Yes, it does. The signal goes through your body all the way to your head. You will experience a quiet chattering of your teeth. This indicates that the signal is going through your hips and your spine. A couple of important items.
1./ Do not bend your knees. This will weaken the signal.
2./ The reason why the $200 - $2000 whole body vibration platforms tell you to bend your knees is to weaken the signal. The signal on these platforms is so strong that there have been cases of retinal detachment. These are described in detail in my post: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
3./ Readers who want a price discount can visit this page and leave their contact information: my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/
Good luck.
@@margaretmartinpt Thank you! With your exercises, change in my diet and this, I feel like I’m giving it my best. Thank you, again
Ive been using a vibratory platform for five years. I’m 67 and it has helped knee pain, squatting, and overall posture and bone health. I use purely as a complementary exercise regimen.
Thanks for sharing.
hi do you use a regular vibration platform just turned on a low setting? I had heard that some vibration plates do more harm than good so would be itnerested to know if you just use a regular one on a low setting. TIA
@@avrilf4252 hi hope your ok…I have a rather complex platform ie expensive with many features…I use mostly a low setting..with that being said it took a couple of weeks 3 times a week to really feel positive…never had a negative work on the plate..most of these vibratory plates have a 30 day return policy..I have been working out mildly for many years so you will always find someone to be negative while knowing the purpose of the plate I find it difficult to imagine it hurting you…I will say if you have poor cartilage tendons around your knees, which we all do start light. I’m 6’4 240 and my sore hips back and knees all improved. Good luck contact anytime
Are you using the Merodyn Liv?
Thank you for this video Margaret. I'm Australian and made enquiries about the Marodyne here. Only one medical firm supplies it here and it costs $4,500 plus tax and freight. So, I decided to bite the bullet and invest in this given I'm at 3.0 T score in my spine. I'm doing your exercises and reformer pilates with a physiotherapist who understands resistance training needs for bone health.
I am still confused about the amount of time you need to spend on this machine to optimise results. I keep hearing Dr Rubin talk about 10 minutes either in one session, or 2 x 5 min sessions every day, but in one of your video talks with him you asked whether it could be done more times in the day and he said yes but did not explain whether it could be another 10 minutes or less time. Can you please clarify? I understand if you do more than one session, they need to be 3 to 5 hours apart. So ... can you do 2 sessions of 10 mins each with 5 hours between? And can you do light arm exercises during a session? Also, is it best to do some exercise immediately after your Marodyne session such as a walk or one of your exercise routines? Thanks so much.
Hi Sandra. Congrats. Lotsa questions! It is important that you continue your exercise program outside of you Marodyne time. Keep up the good work.
1./ The default time on the device is 10 minutes per session. Stick with that time. Await the refractory period (several hours) before another 10 minute session (or your exercise program).
2./ You can do light arm exercises but you need to maintain alignment to ensure the signal propagates through your skeleton.
3./ Depending on your schedule it would be great if you could have your 10 minute Marodyne session and then follow several hours later with your osteoporosis strength training, weight bearing ...
Looking forward to hearing your next DEXA results.
@@Magpie Girl, these are great questions that definitely needed answers. And it’s thanks to you that I’m here!! You commented under another WBV video, and I’m thankful! :)
Also wanted to say that there is controversy on Dexa… I don’t believe it to be a reliable home scan. I advise research on that, and it unnecessarily scares a lot of people! ❤
I did buy one of these marodyne liv units. And in reading the booklet that comes with it, nowhere does it mention helping with bone density! It mentions helping with muscles but nowwhere did i see anything about bones. So this is disconcerting to me. I spent $3000 plus on it. Just got it today for expressly the purpose of helping with my osteoporosis along with my diet, supplements and other regular exercise gosh i hope i didnt buy a pig in a poke please address this
@@Artis-yb1pd I’m interested in what she says about the Osteoboost. It now has FDA clearance. It does require a prescription. They do have data on their website. They just did a zoom a couple weeks ago. Looks very promising. I asked about the Marodyne specifically. They feel the Marodyne is good if you need bone density in the foot, ankle etc but feel their product is in a better position to help where most of our bones need help. It sits low on the waist. If I were wealthy I’d buy both.
Where did you buy the unit from? I want to know how we can be sure we are getting a legitimate product ?
I'd love to know if there are more affordable options for LIV plates.
Unfortunately, it doesn't appear so. Marodyne and Juvent are the only ones available. Personally, I'd go with the Marodyne. I checked out Juvent's "comparison chart" that was apparently created as a hit job on the Marodyne LIV. Numerous claims they made were deceptive, in my opinion.
@@andredarin8966 I agree Juvent which costs a lot more is on the attack to Marodyne for being more affordable therefore less sales for Juvent.
@@kbpd….
There’s a high frequency low amplitude machine that’s on that big online store that sounds like a jungle for 400.
I hope this helps!! ❤
Excellent tutorial, Margaret. Your vids have saved me from making a terrible, innocent-but-ignorant mistake by purchasing a slickly marketed but dangerous platform for a woman with osteoporosis.
You are welcome.
May I ask what vibration machine is considered dangerous?
I must have missed the info on that subject. I look forward to your reply.
Thank you
@@rhoz5191 I don't think Margaret Martin addressed this specifically. To answer your question, one has to begin with ISO (International Organization for Standardization) approval.
ISO certification is a seal of approval from a third-party that attests that a company's device, machine, or material meets certain standards of safety, whole-body vibration being one measure tested.
Excess vibration is a known cause of both acute and chronic injury to a range of physiologic systems, including the musculoskeletal, circulatory, and nervous system. ISO certification indicates experts have looked at a product and it does not exceed levels that could be injurious.
I did a brief survey of the twenty or so WBV platforms on Amazon and could not find one that had ISO certification.
I read several hundred one-star reviews of five or six platforms and found comments claiming the use of the unit had caused some people immediate, acute, and sometimes serious health problems. One customer allegedly experienced potential life-threatening a-fibs, another chronic pain, a third a detached retina, another chronic insomnia, and a fourth dangerously elevated blood pressure.
I might have missed something but I did not see any of these units touted as having ISO certification, nor did they mention the g-force experienced by the body while using the unit.
There appear to be only two platforms that have ISO certification. The first is the Marodyne LIV (Low-intensity vibration) and the Juvent device. Both also are approved as medical devices; Juvent in the U.S. and the Marodyne in the U.K., Australia, and I presume Germany as well as other nations in the E.U.
Consequently, the answer to your question is that all WBV-high-intensity platforms are potentially unsafe and I would feel confident that some uses of every unit other than the Juvent and Marodyne are exposing themselves to potentially injurious levels of vibration and g-force. Remember, it can take years for certain things to create health problems--smoking, alcohol abuse, and a sedentary lifestyle are only three. High-Intensity whole-body vibration platforms may be a fourth.
@@andredarin8966 thank you for this comprehensive answer. Sounds like Juvent is the only one available in the US and both researched and developed by the same people. My main concern is the exclusivity of them- also with distributors it sounds much like other multilevel marketing schemes, not that that is an inherently bad thing, but it does make me wonder if it is too good to be true. (Hey- I still use my Chi machine” from two decades ago 😊) The manufacturers must have patented proprietary technology I suppose. The warning on the less expensive versions is very good to know. Though have specific studies been done with these to verify? We on the low income scale will be challenged to participate in this healthy and bone supporting trend. After all we are a capitalist society it seems. Perhaps there will be a trend for gyms,etc. to have these for public use.
Thank you.
@@andredarin8966 Wow .. thank you for the detailed information, may I ask if you have come across Power Plate? since they do have settings of vibration from 30-45 hertz and they have low and high magnitude settings .. they have different sizes and models, I really hope one of their models is safe and medical, since it is the only brand available where I live. And I do need one for osteoporosis treatment. thank you again
Best place to purchase?
Hi, this is an interesting item however it is something I could not afford. I am wondering your thoughts about a rebounder? Thank you for being there for us Seniors with your videos, they are much needed. Keep safe :)
hi i saw an interview with someone i dont remember who on youtube and this question was asked. short answer is rebounder is better than nothing but as you want to have 'impact' on your bones the rebounder actually softens the impact. to be certain to make your own decision though try googling the question and some more answers might come up. also check out if you havent bob and brad on youtube as they have a lot of info on things you can do in shorts bursts throughout the day at home to help our bones..
@@avrilf4252 Thank you. I have glanced at Bob & Brad with intentions of checking them out more, guess I'd should do so, they seem interesting. Have a good day :)
Margaret, just found your videos. about 20 years ago I had a 'almost' detached retina. completely healed on its own(Praise God)would it be okay for me to start using this machine or any other WBV? really want to use it to enhance faster wt loss and not have to use heavy wts all the time. TFR
Thank you for this information - after reading the other comments and seeing the price - hope I can add myself to a list to purchase a refurbished one down the road. I am also intrigued by your laptop stand that you used towards the end of your video - can you please tell me the brand and do you like it enough to recommend that I get one? Thank you for all you do in helping us out in cyber space.
Margaret thank you for all your information, can a 15hz vibration plate work for bone grow?
Is there any benefit If one is out of the country for 3 months every year? Are all the benefits lost or is there enough retention?
Thank you very much. Very well made video indeed. And what is the name / brand of the device you use just under your laptop. It looks very good and these are difficult to find! Thanks in advance!
I use the omoton laptop stand. You can find it at Amazon. amzn.to/3eeV9ep
Would it be OK to turn the Marodyne LiV Vibration Platform by turning the power surge protector on and off? That switch is a lot easier to access.
Hi, really found you review helpful. I'm 63 and have had ankylosing spondylitis for 45 years, developed an L3/4 compression fracture and have now been diagnosed with osteoporosis (-2.5) of the vertebrae and ostepenia of the hip. Do you think this equipment be appropriate for me to use and hopefully prevent any further advancement of the osteoporosis. Any advice gratefully received. Thanks.
I heard of possible issues with optic nerve being affected by this- any info or thoughts? 🙏 also could it affect tinnitus- wow every little thing vibrating 🤨
Are there any other less expensive LIV devices you can recommend? Thanks!
@@Milena,
There’s a high frequency low amplitude machine that’s on that big online store that sounds like a jungle for 400.
I hope this helps!! ❤
I am a 70 year old female with osteopenia, I have been watching your utubes for several months and have subscribed to your channel. I purchased a Marodyne Liv Vibration Platform this week and am excited that it will be delivered in a couple of weeks. I will be purchasing your beginner exercise workout for osteopenia and strong bones. I watched a video recently where you talked about posture in chairs, etc. I can't find that video and I am interested in finding the proper support (low back) for chair, vehicle and airplane seats. Can you share your recommendations? Thanks
Here is my video on sitting posture. Thank you for reaching out. ruclips.net/video/9ZwZ_o-v_UM/видео.htmlsi=UalbBPKyIVRguJUJ
I know the price differce between Marodyne liv and Juvent. Why do recommend this one of the two after your interview with Dr. Rubin?
Pace maker friendly?
Thank you for your very informative videos on this vibration platform, very much appreciated. There are two companies in the US - COPA Health Care and ValMedX - that sale this vibration platform, both in Florida. Which one do you recommend? Thank you.
Hi, l can get a vitality 600 machine from a friend. I have severe osteoarthritis and are not taking meds. I am very fit, do you think this machine will be fine for me? Thanks in advance
Is the price the current price? Will it work in Europe with a DC connector? Will it cause the performance of the plate to be different? If purchase is it possible for the company to change the existing electric system for Europe when it will be taken over seas?
You can contact Marodyne here and they will answer your questions: my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/
You mention there aren't contraindications. Any thoughts on whether it would be a good tool for those with neurological conditions? I have MS (CNS). TQ for any info or tips for additional information.
Appreciate the video Margaret. I was diagnosed with mild osteoporosis of the lower spine in 2020 and have my next DEXA in a couple of months. I’ve been faithfully using the Marodyne for about six months and hope it along with your exercise program I’ve been doing for almost 2 years will improve my score. Question - I want to take care of the machine and have been leaving it on. Do you happen to know if it might be better to power on and off each day. Thank you
Good question. Thanks for following my exercise program.
I checked the user manual and did not see a mention of whether it is best to turn off the device when not in use. You might want to contact the distributor who sold you the device. I turn mine off during the day because 1./ I am sensitive about using too much energy and 2./ I find most electrical devices need a periodic reset.
I am curious if your numbers improved if you do not mind to share.
@@lauolivia29 they did. -2.6 lumbar in 2020 to -2.1 in 2022
@@mkcthc6244 are you taking any supplements and/or meds?
Thanks for this information, Margaret. May I know where I can purchase this LiV? Thanks.
Can you tell me if this device is safe to use post spinal fusion surgery? My procedure was done 5+ months ago. Thank you.
Yes, the Marodyne LiV is safe post spinal fusion surgery. Dr Rubin even mentioned to me that some spinal surgeons are recommending it to accelerate recovery.
All the best,
Margaret
I totally agree about the price point on this machine, BUT, as someone who is helping my sister navigate a broken hip, that can’t be fixed and stage 4 cancer, have you been to an er lately. One visit, and your $3500 will be gone and then some. I’m pulling the trigger and getting this machine.
Why isn’t there a red “ON” button on top? Just tap it with your toe to power it on/off. When the machine is ready, the button turns green.
That would be a lot more sensible! Having to reach down and behind is very annoying especially if you have difficulty bending.
Do you seriously expect her to explain WHY they made the design choices they made??? I mean, get real.
If you want an answer, use basic common sense and contact the company and ask.
Hi is this Device suitable for people who have undergone cataract operation?
I have Parkinson’s we’ll controlled and osteoporosis would Marodyne LIV be helpful?
Will this help reach a higher vibrational level?
Hi, I do osteogenic loading at Osteostrong. They have vibration plates and guide clients to do exercises including bending for 2 minutes before and after sessions. Even though I've increased my bone density, after learning from you I'm concerned about continuing to use the vibration plates. Wondering if a Marodyne vibration plate alone would work better?
3 years ago I went to a free introductory session at Osteostrong. Afterwards I asked my doctor about them but he didn’t know anything about them, but he did say the vibration plates do help osteoporosis. I was diagnosed with osteopenia at the same time so I bought a vibration plate on Amazon for $100 (less than 1 month fee at Osteostrong) and my latest scan done 6 months ago shows I no longer have osteopenia.
What was the name/brand of the device u bought on Amazon?
My mom has screws in her ankle and an old surgery to repair a broken femur can she still use it?
I've read a report of retinal detachment using a vibration platform, which really concerns me. I'd love to use one for osteoporosis, but I'm too afraid of retinal detachment.
We discuss that question and other related issues here: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-treatment/can-you-use-vibration-plate/
I am a 52 year old female, active with weights and cardio, but I would like this as an 'insurance' package. For example, if I currently have a hamstring injury and cannot do weight bearing or weight reisistance to the extent of bone density impacts. I would plan to use this daily for 10 minutes, whether I've been able to work out or not. Do you think this unit would still be beneficial?
Absolutely!
@@margaretmartinpt Thank you for the prompt response. I should have mentioned that I do have osteoporosis and currently am not on meds, but I know that may well change in the future. I'm purchasing today. Have a great day, Margaret.
Margaret, generally speaking , better bone density and quality means less pain ?
Have you had many clients report pain reduction after using the plate for a good while ?
And does the plate help the bones of the arms as well ?
Hello, Osteoporosis is not the cause for your pain unless you have fractured. There is no correlation between bone density, bone quality and pain. However, osteoarthritis can be painful and I and others have been told by users of the Marodyne LiV that is reduces their pain and helps them move better. No studies on this though.
All the best,
Margaret
I review the Marodyne LIV (Low Intensity Vibration) platform for osteoporosis and bone health. I cover how to set up and use the device. Visit here to learn more: bit.ly/3UFnZop
Hello! I am a PT, 59 years old and diagnosed with severe osteoporosis most likely due to a chemo drug and the steroids given during chemo. I am still on immunotherapy but am in remission. Is there any contraindications for cancer patients similar to contraindications for use of US and E-stim for cancer patients?
Hello Margaret, I have asked this once before, still hoping for an answer. Can someone with a compression fracture use the Marodyne?
its for your cat too
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What is the best frequency for building bone? Thank you.
Your question (and more) are answered here: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-treatment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
If I have trouble standing up straight for 10 minutes. Will I still be able to use the machine
Thank you Margaret for this video. I did read the article and I’m still not clear. My vibration plate ranges between 4-15 hz and I use it only on the low setting. Are you saying that is not healthy? It should be 30hz?
Thank you.
Dr Rubin’s research indicates that it is not effective unless it is in the 30 hertz range.
@@margaretmartinpt Thank you and a very Happy New Year!
Thank you for your interesting videos Margaret! I would love to use this technique for my osteopenia but unfortunately this specific machine is too expensive for me. Are the cheap ones on the market really nasty? I found one that says to work at 30Hz with about 299 speed levels, with no specification about the G-force. Would it be any good in your opinion? Thank you
hi can you share the device link please
I’ve seen vibration platforms that are $100, $200, $300, $500 dollars. Yours, the Marodyne is $3000. What does yours do in terms of vibration that the less expensive platforms do not?
Spending time researching for a low-frequency vibration plate, but so many on Amazon at reasonable prices but concerned about too strong a vibration at the lowest level. Any economy-priced plates here in the US? Thanks
Hello. I too have contacted them by email regarding a refurbished unit and never heard from them. This was at least 3 months ago. I saw on some of the reviews that they are don’t reply.
They're probably not offering refurbished machines anymore, or the list is so long, they know they'll never be able to fill it.
...or if they're truly nefarious, they're delaying hoping you'll bite the bullet and buy one at full price.
Thanks!
Thank you very much for your support!
Unfortunately I can't seem to find anywhere to buy this equipment in the UK.
I’d like to know the price before I give my information
Hi! I just bought my marodyne. I can feel my teeth catheter and jaws vibrate, and sometimes my tummy and hips, but not in any other part of my body. Is this correct or should I feel it right through from feet to jaws?
For many years II have had a pinched nerve in one foot and metatarsalgia in both. Orthotics have successfully addressed both issues by redistributing my weight. Can I wear my orthotics when standing on the Marodyne? The orthotics are rigid and made of hard plastic. They extend from my heels almost to the metatarsals.
Any chance it's covered by insurance if you have been diagnosed with osteoporosis?
Is this available in the uk
What about people who Have a hip tear? Can they use this machine and will it strengthen the muscles?
What would be a trustworthy site to buy the Marodyne Liv device from?
This is the official page to find the correct Marodyne distributor. Please use this: my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/
@@margaretmartinpt I filled out the form a couple days ago but still haven't been contacted. Do you prefer the Marodyne over the Juvent? Or what do you see as the differences?
@@BlueBonnetGirl1 The Marodyne is based on more recent resear and is a lower price compared to the Juvent. Please visit my Contact page and I will direct yo to the right resources in Marodyne. Thanks. melioguide.com/contact/
@@margaretmartinpt Thanks, I put in my order yesterday!
Thank you!
I want to buy this. Can anyone tell me if you’ve had a heart attack? Can you use the vibration plate?
my ejection fraction went back to normal. I only take one medication. I’m feeling great.
I enjoyed the video and would like to get one of these but Amazon is out of them. Any other suggestions?
Please contact Marodyne. I have the link in my post here: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/marodyne-liv-review/
Would a vibration mat you lay on be of any similar benefit?
No. Please read this article; melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
Curious about the laptop stand you’re using.. where can I buy one?
To expensive, low class or middle class people can’t afford it, this is made for rich people, to bad because it looks like it would help lots of us☹️
Hi Fernanda. My understanding is that there is a lot of engineering design built into the device to make it easy for people to use. The device has to be safe, to since many people have to use it. The low cost vibration platforms are actually dangerous to use.
@@margaretmartinpt thank you for replying, I do some of your exercises, I have ostheopenia, fibromyalgia since I was very young and I have spinal issues, my posture and balance is way off ,I’m seeing a chiropractor and physiotherapist.❤️
@@fernandajanicas5776 Thank you. You are taking the right steps to improve your bone health. If you cannot afford the Marodyne, I encourage you to follow my exercise program. Thanks
I emailed the company to understand how much the device cost and never got a reply. Does anyone know how much that is? The fact that you said it’s expensive doesn’t give me too much hope for having the possibility to buy it. I’m young and have osteoporosis as a malabsorption issue, so I’m really looking for a good-effective add on to integrate the already healthy eating, exercising, sun exposure protocols and the medication I have to take which is usually thought to not be so effective. Is it possible that there’s no other affordable efficacious device on the market yet? I can’t believe it. Any advice? Thank you.
@@lkj9427 It costs $3000 which I agree is still too expensive.
Do you need to wait 3 to 5 hrs before you go for your daily walk?
Does the company offer you a discount to your viewers?
Yes. You can access the discount here: my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/
Does it matter if legs aren’t even after fracture healed naturally
I have the machine and think I’ m worth the cost.
You are!
Thank you so much. My dexa report is in today and Im afraid to open it. I know my doc will want me to take fosamax or something. Can you recommend a cheaper machine for those of us with limited funds or any idea if medical insurance ever pays for the Marodyne?
Hi. I cannot a different device. My understanding is that there is a lot of engineering design built into the device to make it easy for people to use. The device has to be safe, to since many people have to use it. The low cost vibration platforms are actually dangerous to use.
@@margaretmartinpt thanks so much. also, thank you for all your super helpful videos.
@@margaretmartinpt Margaret, I have contacted the company. My question is: Since I am pretty fit already by weight lifting, cardio and doing your elite level in Exercise For Better Bones six days a week, would this device still be a benefit to me? Thank you 😊
@@susanwilson5820 Hi Susan. Sounds like you are doing everything within your control. Congrats.
The answer to your question is ... depends. A key variable is age. The older people are, the lower the density of mesenchymal stem cells (that become bone, cartilage or fat). Hence older people will benefit more than young people from low intensity vibration. In fact, people who are in their late teens and into their twenties - who exercise (a must) - will gain little benefit from a LiV.
I do not know how old you are or your particular situation (beyond the scope of this exchange on RUclips) so I cannot give more guidance than that.
If you are advanced in age and do the Exercise for Better Bones program, you are probably okay. However, if you want everything in your favor (and can afford it), then a LiV is another feather in your cap.
If you were advanced in age, trending to low bone density and do little exercise, then the LiV is recommended. The alternative is pharmaceutical intervention.
Dexa scans are often wrong and they only test the bone density but NOT the quality.
I have SCCD does it effect your balance?
How can I get it please
Where can I buy it?
Please let me know
Thank you
You can contact Marodyne here: my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/
what type of vibration does it provide -...??/ up and down ? Giggle sideways / Front to back ?? Thank you!!
@@cesmith, it’s linear (up and down).
Would it be useful for peripheral neuropathy? I have CMT1a and I'm beginning to get weak in my lower legs
My sister used a vibration plate (not low intensity) and the pin from her foot surgery broke and she needed surgery to fix. There's absolutely no contraindications for this plate for those of use who have pins in our feet? Thank you!
Correct. You can contact the Marodyne people here. my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com
@@margaretmartinpt Thank you! We have bad feet, many pins, so good to know...I have osteopenia and want to keep it from progressing. I will go to the site and check it all out. Thanks again.
Out of reach, cost wise for me. Are studies being submitted for FDA approval so insurance will cover cost of this device?
Hello Margaret is it safe for people with muscular dystrophy
Hi Sammy. Yes, it is. You can learn more about the modality here. melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
Please made video of the many benefits of PEMF and bone health/loss as well a general health and wellbeing. An MRI showed that my wife who has severe scolisis had 7 lumbar compression fractors, using an intense PEMF machine and a very weak pemf loop front and back the next mri report showed NO compression fractors.
Thank you so much for your excellent videos and helpful insight and research into non-chemical help for osteoporosis! I have not seen any discussion on the use of light-weight (< 5 pounds) hand-weights while on the Marodyne for an additional arm workout at the same time. Can, or should, hand-weights be used, while maintaining good posture (feeling the vibration in the jaw) while on the Marodyne? I wonder if you, Dr. Belinda Beck, or Dr. Ruben have any guidance.
Fabulous question. I have been doing some light weight arm exercises. I can still feel the vibration through to my jaw, so I must be maintaining posture and receiving the signal.
You can but just make sure that you maintain postural alignment as shown in the video.
Thanks for answering.
@@margaretmartinpt Thank you!
Since the whole body vibrates, could the vibration be dangerous for the heart or brain?
I doubt it...
Can you use the power plate pro 7 at the gym
And receive the same benefits as the marodyne plate
No you will not. In fact, the usage of that type of plate could be quite dangerous. Read here: melioguide.com/physical-therapy-continuing-education/whole-body-vibration-therapy-contraindications/
I'm wondering is the vibration can cause retinal detachment. I've had laser surgery to mend retinal tears.
This is not a risk with low intensity vibration platforms, like the Marodyne. However, they a real risk with high intensity platforms. This articles covers your question and more here: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-treatment/can-you-use-vibration-plate/
@@margaretmartinpt thank you!!!
Does this gentle vibration actually help with muscle toning?? I certainly that along with building bone.
Seems unlikely. I look forward to replies as I am past ready to own a machine. Thank you!
@@Rho, I think I read on the Marodyne site that it doesn’t help build muscle.
I generally enjoy your videos because your health reviews tend to rely on evidence and are more reluctant to dive into fads, than some other YT content creators. You've been a reality check. However for this machine, you flat out say there are no contraindications and yet I see many other sources listing several, including warnings for those with osteoporosis of the spine because damage could be done.
Can you bring up more scientific evidence regarding the realities around this machine?
My recommendation is that you read this blog post: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-treatment/can-you-use-vibration-plate/
I am a healthcare worker that is into resistance training with athletic built myself for a long time. Diagnosed with Osteopenia and recently osteoporosis because of long time use of Thyroid replacement Therapy (Thyroid removed). My question is where can I buy this platform, how much does it cost ? Is this available in Canada?
Yes. The product is available in Canada. The best way to contact the Marodyne representative is to leave your contact information on this page. You will also receive a discount if you use this page. Thanks. my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/
Can I ask you what kind of pain symptoms you started noticing if you had any pain that is. Thank you
The price is so obscene they are ashamed to tell you. The excuse here is that you are paying for the cost of the research - which was done by a government worker, university guy paid by you the taxpayer and now charging you again you who payed for this "research" adding insult to injury . . . you decide :) pure greed and corruption. 😂 laughing all the way to the bank.
Hi Margaret, how do people like me who work full time use it 3-5 hours apart? I could use it at 7 am but not shown till around 5:30-6.. will I still get the benefits? Thank you !
Angela
Hi Angela. You will benefit because you will use it several times through the day. The shorter the duration between the sessions, the better but your approach will generate positive results, regardless.
@@margaretmartinpt Can you review @Angela Harley’s question to make sure you answered it please?
Can someone who already has a compression fracture use this machine?
How long are you supposed to stand on it to receive benefit?
Each session is 10 minutes.
Is this science fiction?? How do you order it or find an outlet?
Hi Susan. You can contact Marodyne here and they will address your questions. my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/
I have teeth implants. Will it be affected?
Are there any financing options?
You should contact Marodyne and ask that question. Here is the link: my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/