As a live sound guy, I purchased the Mackie because of how familiar it felt in terms of its interface, as well the built in E.Q,compressor and De-esser. I love that thing and am gonna keep it for a long time before I consider switching
This board looks aweomse! can this seperate audio: Mic, game sounds, discord and let's say music like GOXLR? What I mean is could one use this board with OBS to record these all tracks seperatly? I have goxlr and I have a strong desire to switch to something like Rodecaster duo or this new board from Mackie. If this Mackie DLZ creator xs can record seperate audio, would you be so kind doing tutorial on how this should be setup? I would highly appreciate if you could answer my question and if possible make such video turorial. Thank you in advance a fan prom Poland
One question regarding Mackie - can one actually control different input levels for USB incoming sound from different sources or this is just one level for the USB input?
Great overview of DLZ XS, looking forward to the comparison with the Rodecaster Duo. Contemplating replacing my Yamaha AG06 and DBX 286S with one of these units to save space. Being Australian I’m a bit biased towards the Rode. 👍🇦🇺
If you have and AG 06 mk2 keep it if it's Mk1 then maybe it's worth the upgrade The ag06 Mk2 is amazing I own the dlz creator and I prefer the ag 06 for simplicity
If you have and AG 06 mk2 keep it if it's Mk1 then maybe it's worth the upgrade The ag06 Mk2 is amazing I own the dlz creator and I prefer the ag 06 for simplicity
@williamshaneblyth doesn't look like it. According to an insider...they are looking at making a big splash. Mackie is just the new "live sound" wing of the company. Nothing is being left behind right now though
Hey man! Currently deciding between the Mackie and the Rodecaster Duo. Which do you think has the better DSP? I know the original Rodecaster Pro wasn't too great, especially the Noise Gate but they seemed to have really improved upon it, how do you think the Mackie's DSP compares to it?
In the process of scaling down the hardware of my recording setup. Simplifying, minimising, without endangering quality. Considering running audio to Zoom calls via the DLZ XS (not ordered it yet). Noticed another commenter having a similar query. Any reason why the DLZ XZ wouldn’t show up as an audio source in video call apps? Thank you 🙏🏻
Great question! If you are on PC I would confirm that you have the up to date drivers installed. Once that is confirmed, sometimes you have to allow permissions...especially with Chrome. You can access those permissions through settings. Sometimes they reset when you change out hardware... Also...try another browser like firefox...
@@DarkCornerStudios Thank you, greatly appreciated. Will do a proper clean build as soon as I have my own XS in place (just borrowing one now). I’m on a Mac so it shouldn’t be toooo difficult to figure it out. Will share if I come across something that seems to have gone unnoticed in the community.
Excellent. These units (and, as with all Mackie, and Rode stuff) are fantastic. The all made in house brands have a very real appeal for me. While I'm not in the market for this stuff, yet? I can't wait to see what's coming and going on offer after these beasts. The benchmark has been set and the bang for your buck has hit the mark. Yet I still hear complaints that these things are overpriced. The only answer to that is - take a look 10 years, or further back and look how much the analog world used to cost. There was no budget for that. This new stuff is insane.
Have you ever tried connecting an outboard, audio channel strip like a Neve Newton? I'm assuming we could use the line-level input to bypass the Mackie pre-amps. If that'st not possible, do you think input 3/4 (L/M) could work as an input from the channel strip?
I have to say, I'm tempted by this. I currently have a Rodecaster Pro 2, but the amount of issues via their firmware updates is making me consider switching away from them. It's that bad, the recent 1.3.4 firmware update completely bricked my RCP2, and many others, going by Reddit, and other online communities. Thankfully it's under warranty, so it's being repaired/replaced, but because I'm in Canada, my closest service centre is in another province altogether, so it looks like I'll be without for at least 2-3 weeks. Not great. My only concern is, with RODE now owning Mackie, will these quality issues now come on to Mackie's hardware...
Honestly I hadn't heard of bricking...though I stay away from Reddit because of this...it doesn't give you the best ratio of units...cause no one goes there to praise it...lol. That sucks though...sorry to hear you had that issue
@@DarkCornerStudiosMy co-host on a podcast that I do is now on his second RCP2 RMA. We've also had a couple different listeners reach out to share similar problems with him. I was considering buying one myself but the QC problems appear far too real for me. I definitely feel lost because of the same concerns about Mackie being owned by Rode now.
Quoestion: is that Mackie 3.5mm jack TRS or TRRS, so when I plug in a smartphone, can use my studio mic on the phone like in the original Rodecaster pro? Same with the RCP duo, can't find anywhere the info but as you got em both, mayhaps you can answer that question. So far I've only seen two devices with the two way plug, original RCP and then that Focusrite… something, can't remember it's name.
@@DarkCornerStudios yup, that, as some appear to have only from phone to interface, so you can just play music or something from the phone into stream or whatever, but can't talk back into the phone. Thank you 👍
Handy when using the phone to twittr/X room so can use proper mic and headset and even play music from computer into the room. That's a handy way to connect with your audience and they can talk back with you on their phone. Livestreaming X rooms to youtube and having people joining in via X is a thing, at least round here 😃
@@DarkCornerStudios The Mix Output is on Channel 13+14 instead of 1+2. I just saw that you can choose the Channels in Zoom, but MS Teams just looking for Channel 1+2.
@DarkCornerStudios I love the unit. You definitely give a deep dive and much needed perspective within your product review. Love your channel and see massive growth, your one of the best at what you doo.
Please do as my head is wrecked trying to figure which to choose. It was easy for me to choose which camera switcher to get as the ATEM SDI Extreme ISO ticked all the boxes but when it comes to audio mixer for church its a lot harder choice to make@@DarkCornerStudios
Honestly, the DLZ XS seems perfect for me. I don't need all the inputs of my DLZ, it's huge, space is at a premium and I love the features of it. The XS just seems like a no-brainer for me. Might sell the DLZ and replace it with the XS in the coming months.
I am trying to figure out if this will be the right unit for my needs. Can you assign any (or all) of the channels to be USB Audio Inputs (from a PC) and then in the PC, set different apps to different channels? On my PC I want to have multiple channels to output to and then I want to be able to use the Audio Mixer and set specific applications to specific channels.... For Example... I can set all Default Windows Sounds to Channel 1 and then Control that on Channel 1 on the DLZ Mixer. Then Set Channel 2 on my Windows Mixer to use my Browser Audio Output, so sound from Chrome I control via Channel 2 on the DLZ Mixe... then Channel 3.. assign that to my VLC Player or media player where I watch movies... When you hook the mixer up via USB does it only create one device total or are there multiple devices with a possibility of one device or output per channel?
Great video. I'm interested in this unit primarily for its DSP effects like noise gate and de-asser and equaliser for my voice. But I'm not doing live pod casts. I'm recording sit down training video and I like the ability to "find tune" my voice with this unit. Would it be possible to use this unit together with a time code device into one of its channels? I would like to use a Deity TC-1 TC box with the Mackie Creator XS. That way I'll have my video and audio streams recorded with TC and import into Resolve to do multi-cam editing. Please someone help answer my question. Thanks.
I watched many reviews that raved about the DLZ XS so I bought one. Everyone neglected to point out that it doesn't work well with some windows machines. Its proprietary usb driver doesn't work worth a damn and leads to many hours of wasted time and recordings that get ruined. And Mackie is ZERO help when you have an issue. Their support was basically just, "please keep trying to make it work." Even worse, the device itself is fantastic, as far as features and sound quality. Those are far superior to the Rodecaster. But if you're not using an Apple computer of some sort, you should avoid this one. There's a 50/50 chance it wont work correctly on your windows machine.
@@DarkCornerStudios Of course. And it isn't just me. There are other people who have had the same issue going back a few months. You can find their posts on facebook, reddit, etc., trying to figure them out. Its like windows continuously tries to disconnect the device. I have a video of it disconnecting and reconnecting rapidly. No one has found a permanent solution to it. You can improve it if you delete all other audio devices or force those to use generic drivers instead of the realtek drivers, but then, instead of disconnecting, the mackie produces about 2 seconds of static in those places where it would have been just shutting off. When I say 50/50, I'm not saying it doesn't work on half the machines out there. I'm saying you're taking a risk that it won't work on yours. I've tried everything I can think of to try and then did everything the other sufferers tried to resolve theirs. It's not resolved. And, as I said, Mackie has refused to even offer any suggestions. I'll gladly post the email string if everyone would like me to embarass mackie in public.
@@DarkCornerStudios And it is kind of a funny question because that was the first thing Mackie asked me, if I was using their ASIO driver and their USB cable. My DLZ XS doesn't even show up as a device on my PC without the Mackie ASIO driver. If I was the only person having these issues, I would think I was doing something wrong or perhaps I got a defective device, or even that my literally brand new PC (only about 2 months old) had issues. But I'm definitely not the only person who has issues and most of the others either returned theirs and bought a Rodecaster, or gave up posting about it online. I have numerous interfaces and podcast mixers. ALL of them work fine on this PC and didn't need any additional drivers or magical fairie dust. I'm also not kidding about Mackie offering no help. After several days of troubleshooting and fighting with this thing, Mackie's response was, literally, "Please keep testing the unit."
A couple of cons you failed to mention: 1) Can't transfer files via USB. Have to take the micro SD card out every time. 2) Requires minimum 10 seconds to write files. Otherwise you end up with corrupt files that are unrecoverable. 3) Date/Time cannot be updated manually and does not update automatically even if connected via USB. All files will have same date/time. 4) Does not record individual tracks to separate files. Lumps them all into one Poly WAV file which is VERY cumbersome upon import into Video Editor of choose. This video feels a bit like sponsored content because you failed to cover these issues. If you didn't know about them, then perhaps you have not spent enough time with the device?
I do not cover features like SD cards when it comes to units like this. This is for a few reasons, but it mostly boils down to one thing. I do not have a testing methodology as I do not use the feature in my day to day. So holding myself up as an "expert" on that is disingenuous at best...and since I have no workflow, there is no way to expect that any methodology I do come up with would be thorough enough to actually represent the product. I review these products as studio gear...and my run and gun gear is generally very much separate...and I do not consider these to be under that umbrella...especially since it requires a power supply to work This is a commonality in my videos when dealing with ALL of the similar boards in this class that have an SD slot. Aside from pointing it out...that is the extent that I actually cover it. Calling this sponsored content is a bit annoying. Even if I miss stuff, which happens from time to time...with all of us...I am happy to follow up with add on content that covers the issue. Why not just ask instead of throwing around insults?
@@DarkCornerStudios Didn't mean to offend or insult. Now realizing that you don't record to the unit itself, it's unfair criticism on my part seeing as you don't have any direct experience with any of those issues. Perhaps you can mention them in your next Mackie DLZ vs. DUO comparison video. Keep rockin' man!
Question: After I connect my left & right spearker-monitors to the back of the Mackie DLZ Creator XS using Main Out L/R, when I unmute my mic, I get massive feedback. I've adjust my noise gate on my Mic. Do you know anyway to mute the Main Out once I need to go on a conference call and use my headphones?
Not enough real inputs and the bigger unit is physically too big. There seems to be a hole in the market no one produces more than 4 inputs on a digital mixer and has a screen or at least an app. It's like behringer it has the rather old flow 8 which needs a major update it's very frustrating I'm not that worried about all the podcast options but the podcasting mixers are the only thing in the gap sort of. I want a screen or at least a mobile app and at least 6 audio inputs to the daw. That are real ones not a phone only or stuck on pads only or Bluetooth .. rant over
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As a live sound guy, I purchased the Mackie because of how familiar it felt in terms of its interface, as well the built in E.Q,compressor and De-esser. I love that thing and am gonna keep it for a long time before I consider switching
This board looks aweomse! can this seperate audio: Mic, game sounds, discord and let's say music like GOXLR? What I mean is could one use this board with OBS to record these all tracks seperatly? I have goxlr and I have a strong desire to switch to something like Rodecaster duo or this new board from Mackie. If this Mackie DLZ creator xs can record seperate audio, would you be so kind doing tutorial on how this should be setup? I would highly appreciate if you could answer my question and if possible make such video turorial. Thank you in advance a fan prom Poland
One question regarding Mackie - can one actually control different input levels for USB incoming sound from different sources or this is just one level for the USB input?
Did you notice any latency from your XLR mic to your headphone monitors? With the Rodecaster Duo, the latency was disorienting.
Lol...no
A selectable 96khz sampling rate for DAW use would be great.
Great overview of DLZ XS, looking forward to the comparison with the Rodecaster Duo. Contemplating replacing my Yamaha AG06 and DBX 286S with one of these units to save space. Being Australian I’m a bit biased towards the Rode. 👍🇦🇺
Gotta root for the home team...I get it!
Give me a few on that...I wanna get everything right for that video.
But it is coming!!
If you have and AG 06 mk2 keep it if it's Mk1 then maybe it's worth the upgrade
The ag06 Mk2 is amazing I own the dlz creator and I prefer the ag 06 for simplicity
If you have and AG 06 mk2 keep it if it's Mk1 then maybe it's worth the upgrade
The ag06 Mk2 is amazing I own the dlz creator and I prefer the ag 06 for simplicity
@@DarkCornerStudiosMackie now owned by Rode. Sounds like they are likely to cut down some gear in the future which makes me uneasy
@williamshaneblyth doesn't look like it.
According to an insider...they are looking at making a big splash.
Mackie is just the new "live sound" wing of the company.
Nothing is being left behind right now though
Hey man! Currently deciding between the Mackie and the Rodecaster Duo. Which do you think has the better DSP? I know the original Rodecaster Pro wasn't too great, especially the Noise Gate but they seemed to have really improved upon it, how do you think the Mackie's DSP compares to it?
In the process of scaling down the hardware of my recording setup. Simplifying, minimising, without endangering quality. Considering running audio to Zoom calls via the DLZ XS (not ordered it yet). Noticed another commenter having a similar query. Any reason why the DLZ XZ wouldn’t show up as an audio source in video call apps?
Thank you 🙏🏻
Great question!
If you are on PC I would confirm that you have the up to date drivers installed.
Once that is confirmed, sometimes you have to allow permissions...especially with Chrome.
You can access those permissions through settings.
Sometimes they reset when you change out hardware...
Also...try another browser like firefox...
@@DarkCornerStudios Thank you, greatly appreciated. Will do a proper clean build as soon as I have my own XS in place (just borrowing one now). I’m on a Mac so it shouldn’t be toooo difficult to figure it out. Will share if I come across something that seems to have gone unnoticed in the community.
Excellent.
These units (and, as with all Mackie, and Rode stuff) are fantastic. The all made in house brands have a very real appeal for me. While I'm not in the market for this stuff, yet? I can't wait to see what's coming and going on offer after these beasts. The benchmark has been set and the bang for your buck has hit the mark. Yet I still hear complaints that these things are overpriced. The only answer to that is - take a look 10 years, or further back and look how much the analog world used to cost. There was no budget for that. This new stuff is insane.
Have you ever tried connecting an outboard, audio channel strip like a Neve Newton? I'm assuming we could use the line-level input to bypass the Mackie pre-amps. If that'st not possible, do you think input 3/4 (L/M) could work as an input from the channel strip?
Can it be used for radio production like using Adobe Audition on the PC?
I have to say, I'm tempted by this. I currently have a Rodecaster Pro 2, but the amount of issues via their firmware updates is making me consider switching away from them. It's that bad, the recent 1.3.4 firmware update completely bricked my RCP2, and many others, going by Reddit, and other online communities. Thankfully it's under warranty, so it's being repaired/replaced, but because I'm in Canada, my closest service centre is in another province altogether, so it looks like I'll be without for at least 2-3 weeks. Not great.
My only concern is, with RODE now owning Mackie, will these quality issues now come on to Mackie's hardware...
Honestly I hadn't heard of bricking...though I stay away from Reddit because of this...it doesn't give you the best ratio of units...cause no one goes there to praise it...lol.
That sucks though...sorry to hear you had that issue
@@DarkCornerStudiosMy co-host on a podcast that I do is now on his second RCP2 RMA. We've also had a couple different listeners reach out to share similar problems with him. I was considering buying one myself but the QC problems appear far too real for me. I definitely feel lost because of the same concerns about Mackie being owned by Rode now.
on the EQ, how many nodes can you add? also does this have a stream and a headset output per nob?
Quoestion: is that Mackie 3.5mm jack TRS or TRRS, so when I plug in a smartphone, can use my studio mic on the phone like in the original Rodecaster pro? Same with the RCP duo, can't find anywhere the info but as you got em both, mayhaps you can answer that question. So far I've only seen two devices with the two way plug, original RCP and then that Focusrite… something, can't remember it's name.
So you mean the ability to speak to people on the phone through your mic and headset?
Yes...that is the exact reason the 3.5mm jack exists
@@DarkCornerStudios yup, that, as some appear to have only from phone to interface, so you can just play music or something from the phone into stream or whatever, but can't talk back into the phone. Thank you 👍
By the way...i re-read that and it sounds super snobby.
Did not intend that...lol
@funtsittavaa2nd yeah...that's fair.
I will confirm...as this thing...at its heart...is intended as a podcast mixer
Handy when using the phone to twittr/X room so can use proper mic and headset and even play music from computer into the room. That's a handy way to connect with your audience and they can talk back with you on their phone. Livestreaming X rooms to youtube and having people joining in via X is a thing, at least round here 😃
Still not unable for Zoom and MS Teams? I am very excited about your review vs the roadcaster
That is weird...I will check in with Mackie on this
@@DarkCornerStudios The Mix Output is on Channel 13+14 instead of 1+2. I just saw that you can choose the Channels in Zoom, but MS Teams just looking for Channel 1+2.
@@koenignero that's weird...yeah let me look into any possible solve
I wish you could review the Yamaha AG08.
Hey @yamahaglobal thoughts?
@DarkCornerStudios I love the unit. You definitely give a deep dive and much needed perspective within your product review. Love your channel and see massive growth, your one of the best at what you doo.
@@chrisdorsch9754 I appreciate the kind words!
Cheers!!
Which Mac Mini are you using? I look forward to you comparison 🤔
I am running a 2023 m2 Mac Mini.
It is a dream to use...
are you using an external HD for more storage? 16gb ram ? & Thanks for response !@@DarkCornerStudios
@@RichardOTalkToMeGuy yes!
I got it with 512 gigs and bought an M.2 sled for a 2tb gen4 drive.
And yes...16 gigs of ram
Sweeeet Rig ! I'm looking at an upgrade to that same setup ! Thanks !@@DarkCornerStudios
How would you compare this to the A&H CQ12T? They are similar size...
Never used it...though at that price point...now I kinda want to compare.
Let me see if I can find so.eone with A&H
Please do as my head is wrecked trying to figure which to choose. It was easy for me to choose which camera switcher to get as the ATEM SDI Extreme ISO ticked all the boxes but when it comes to audio mixer for church its a lot harder choice to make@@DarkCornerStudios
Honestly, the DLZ XS seems perfect for me. I don't need all the inputs of my DLZ, it's huge, space is at a premium and I love the features of it. The XS just seems like a no-brainer for me. Might sell the DLZ and replace it with the XS in the coming months.
I am trying to figure out if this will be the right unit for my needs.
Can you assign any (or all) of the channels to be USB Audio Inputs (from a PC) and then in the PC, set different apps to different channels?
On my PC I want to have multiple channels to output to and then I want to be able to use the Audio Mixer and set specific applications to specific channels....
For Example... I can set all Default Windows Sounds to Channel 1 and then Control that on Channel 1 on the DLZ Mixer. Then Set Channel 2 on my Windows Mixer to use my Browser Audio Output, so sound from Chrome I control via Channel 2 on the DLZ Mixe... then Channel 3.. assign that to my VLC Player or media player where I watch movies...
When you hook the mixer up via USB does it only create one device total or are there multiple devices with a possibility of one device or output per channel?
It does not have virtual channels no
Thank you
Great video. I'm interested in this unit primarily for its DSP effects like noise gate and de-asser and equaliser for my voice. But I'm not doing live pod casts. I'm recording sit down training video and I like the ability to "find tune" my voice with this unit. Would it be possible to use this unit together with a time code device into one of its channels? I would like to use a Deity TC-1 TC box with the Mackie Creator XS. That way I'll have my video and audio streams recorded with TC and import into Resolve to do multi-cam editing. Please someone help answer my question. Thanks.
I watched many reviews that raved about the DLZ XS so I bought one. Everyone neglected to point out that it doesn't work well with some windows machines. Its proprietary usb driver doesn't work worth a damn and leads to many hours of wasted time and recordings that get ruined. And Mackie is ZERO help when you have an issue. Their support was basically just, "please keep trying to make it work."
Even worse, the device itself is fantastic, as far as features and sound quality. Those are far superior to the Rodecaster. But if you're not using an Apple computer of some sort, you should avoid this one. There's a 50/50 chance it wont work correctly on your windows machine.
@@milproakron ummmm
Are you using the asio driver from Mackie?
@@milproakron also
No
Not 50/50
Mine and many others work on PC
That all doesn’t add up
@@DarkCornerStudios Of course. And it isn't just me. There are other people who have had the same issue going back a few months. You can find their posts on facebook, reddit, etc., trying to figure them out. Its like windows continuously tries to disconnect the device. I have a video of it disconnecting and reconnecting rapidly. No one has found a permanent solution to it. You can improve it if you delete all other audio devices or force those to use generic drivers instead of the realtek drivers, but then, instead of disconnecting, the mackie produces about 2 seconds of static in those places where it would have been just shutting off. When I say 50/50, I'm not saying it doesn't work on half the machines out there. I'm saying you're taking a risk that it won't work on yours. I've tried everything I can think of to try and then did everything the other sufferers tried to resolve theirs. It's not resolved. And, as I said, Mackie has refused to even offer any suggestions. I'll gladly post the email string if everyone would like me to embarass mackie in public.
@@DarkCornerStudios And it is kind of a funny question because that was the first thing Mackie asked me, if I was using their ASIO driver and their USB cable. My DLZ XS doesn't even show up as a device on my PC without the Mackie ASIO driver.
If I was the only person having these issues, I would think I was doing something wrong or perhaps I got a defective device, or even that my literally brand new PC (only about 2 months old) had issues. But I'm definitely not the only person who has issues and most of the others either returned theirs and bought a Rodecaster, or gave up posting about it online. I have numerous interfaces and podcast mixers. ALL of them work fine on this PC and didn't need any additional drivers or magical fairie dust. I'm also not kidding about Mackie offering no help. After several days of troubleshooting and fighting with this thing, Mackie's response was, literally, "Please keep testing the unit."
@ I am struggling with this
Mackie and Rode have VERY robust guarantees on their products
Something is fishy here and I’m now looking into it
A couple of cons you failed to mention:
1) Can't transfer files via USB. Have to take the micro SD card out every time.
2) Requires minimum 10 seconds to write files. Otherwise you end up with corrupt files that are unrecoverable.
3) Date/Time cannot be updated manually and does not update automatically even if connected via USB. All files will have same date/time.
4) Does not record individual tracks to separate files. Lumps them all into one Poly WAV file which is VERY cumbersome upon import into Video Editor of choose.
This video feels a bit like sponsored content because you failed to cover these issues. If you didn't know about them, then perhaps you have not spent enough time with the device?
I do not cover features like SD cards when it comes to units like this.
This is for a few reasons, but it mostly boils down to one thing. I do not have a testing methodology as I do not use the feature in my day to day.
So holding myself up as an "expert" on that is disingenuous at best...and since I have no workflow, there is no way to expect that any methodology I do come up with would be thorough enough to actually represent the product.
I review these products as studio gear...and my run and gun gear is generally very much separate...and I do not consider these to be under that umbrella...especially since it requires a power supply to work
This is a commonality in my videos when dealing with ALL of the similar boards in this class that have an SD slot.
Aside from pointing it out...that is the extent that I actually cover it.
Calling this sponsored content is a bit annoying.
Even if I miss stuff, which happens from time to time...with all of us...I am happy to follow up with add on content that covers the issue.
Why not just ask instead of throwing around insults?
@@DarkCornerStudios Didn't mean to offend or insult. Now realizing that you don't record to the unit itself, it's unfair criticism on my part seeing as you don't have any direct experience with any of those issues. Perhaps you can mention them in your next Mackie DLZ vs. DUO comparison video. Keep rockin' man!
Question: After I connect my left & right spearker-monitors to the back of the Mackie DLZ Creator XS using Main Out L/R, when I unmute my mic, I get massive feedback. I've adjust my noise gate on my Mic. Do you know anyway to mute the Main Out once I need to go on a conference call and use my headphones?
Yes...it's touchscreen mute on the last channel to the right on the mixer screen.
You need to mute when using the mic
@@DarkCornerStudios absolutely brilliant...you saved my brain from a lot of hurt. 🤣
Not enough real inputs and the bigger unit is physically too big. There seems to be a hole in the market no one produces more than 4 inputs on a digital mixer and has a screen or at least an app. It's like behringer it has the rather old flow 8 which needs a major update it's very frustrating I'm not that worried about all the podcast options but the podcasting mixers are the only thing in the gap sort of. I want a screen or at least a mobile app and at least 6 audio inputs to the daw. That are real ones not a phone only or stuck on pads only or Bluetooth .. rant over
save 400 dollars & space? yes please