I definently miss when the Monsterverse was more atmospheric and had more amazing cinematography, like in the first 3 movies, I loved the Halo jump scene from 2014 and the sunset scenes from Kong Skull Island. I really want that type of cinematography back after they've been absent from GvK and GxK.
@@killert_7759 What about that scrapped/cut idea or story for GVK where all Titans/Kajius/Giant Monsters & the 17 Including L.G (Legendary Godzilla/Gojira) where drawn to Skuol Island?
@@MrWaSpY-Trn That wasn't gonna be how it went down at all lol... It was supposed to be Monarch sending a bunch of Skull Crawlers and Behemoth back down to the Hollow Earth via the Portal on Skull Island. They were using the Orca-Z, and in the original cut of this film, an expedition with Nathan Lind's fiancé, Agatha, being killed by Hell Hawks as they entered through the portal trying to plant the Ocra down there. Godzilla would've been dealing with Titans awakened by Ghidorah.
I loved GxK and I like Evolved Godzilla’s design, I think it looks badass. But I kinda miss the old Monsterverse when It was serious. But I think we might actually be in luck with the next MV film with it being directed by Grant Sputore (Who has made pretty good and dark movies), and written by Dave Callaham (Who wrote Shang-Chi, but also wrote the original script for Godzilla 2014), so regarding to the next Monsterverse film, I think we’re good, let’s just hope for some engaging characters this time. “Let them Cook” -Dr Ishirō Serizawa
Great discussion. Can't wait for you two to discuss the rest of the franchise. Also, you are not alone JandZ, I also think KOTM is a terrible Godzilla movie...
Having now seen the show, I'm still a bit confused. I've heard some people say it is in Hollow Earth and others say it's a pocket dimension in between the two. Could you elaborate? Just hoping to get some clarification and am not trying to be rude or anything haha
@FirewoodMediaTV yes Axis Mundi is a realm in between earth and hollow earth. The longer you spend time down there the more time passes on the surface. Like say you spend like a day down there you'll miss probably 15 years depending on how long you're down there. It's random
I was around 15 when Godzilla came out and there's only a handful of times I've been that excited for a movie. Unfortunately the movie didn't really live up to the hype. Not having a short brawl at the airport was such a momentum killer and they cut out my favorite shot of the trailer: Godzulla roaring as the door shut. I also hate that they didn't have any thematic payoff to Cranston's character dying, which made me feel like his death was pointless (not to mention that it was handled poorly in the film). Overall, It'll sadly always sit at an 7.5/10 for me, when it could have easily been a 10 with some tweaks.
I think one of the biggest issues that holds this universe back is simply the fact that Toho doesn't allow Legendary to use more of their monsters. I understand some people defending whenever the Monsterverse uses more original monsters, but lately I feel that Legendary is getting little lazy with that aspect. I know I'm not the only one who thinks that in GvK, they were essentially doing knock-off creature designs to already existing Toho monsters. I know that they probably wanted to put Angirus and Manda in that movie but couldn't simply because Toho wouldn't let them. If the Monsterverse is going to start resorting to that scheme, then I just don't want to see anymore movies from this universe. I think it's just stupid, severely limits and prohibits the potential of reintroducing legacy characters, and shows to me that Toho is way too strict with these things. It just won't feel like Godzilla anymore but something completely different entirely in the long run. If anything, I'd rather just see Legendary quit the Monsterverse and do an entirely new King Kong reboot from scratch where that can become an entirely new film franchise that only focuses on giving King Kong his own rouges gallery and new original storyline. As for Godzilla, I think it's probably better we just go back to how it was in the old days where it becomes an event when Toho themselves makes new Japanese Godzilla movies and releases it to the world. They own Godzilla and all the monsters they create, so I guess it's only fitting that Toho should just go back to making more Godzilla movies and just make a new era of films that brings back these monsters that G-fans love and respect. I am essentially asking for things to just go back to how they were before 2014 because if Toho is going to continue limiting film production companies across seas of what they can and cannot do, I think it's probably better that Toho themselves just continue to make more of their movies and just release them globally for other nationalities to watch. We may just have to treat it like modern anime and just keep a look out for when something comes out in Japan and meanwhile, Kong fans can enjoy and revel in a new King Kong film series. It's the best of both worlds. I believe that maybe Japanese/Korean live action shows are getting more popular here in the states on certain streaming services like Netflix, so I really do suggest that Toho takes the Godzilla franchise into that market so that more audiences in the world can take notice and the Godzilla and Tokusatsu fan communities can thrive on this new platform based venture. The same I can say for more Ultraman stuff and anything else from the tokusatsu genre. Blending itself more into other live action Asian television shows that gets broadcast globally. I don't know how a modern Hollywood take of Ultraman would work without people confusing him for DC's Ultraman. They may have to change quite a lot about Ultraman and it's lore if it's going to fly with a US audience. They can try to maybe to do an all Asian cast with some well known celebrities and have it jump between the US and Japan similarly to 2014's Godzilla, but it's gotta be something that modern Western audiences can understand. Maybe like Pacific Rim but done a little differently since it's essentially the American film industry adapting a Japanese foreign franchise which is something I don't think has been happening a lot since The Ring in the early 2000s.
@@darkshat3077 Besides GxK itself even had some emotional moments like Kong and Suko's bond, the scene of Skar King's layer which had one of the best pure emotional driven/no words spoken progression literally ever Skar himself was good as well, much to people taking things about him out of context
@FirewoodMediaTV Again if it was truly awful then no matter what it would not make as much as it actually did. It's literally the highest grossing film the character Godzilla and even Kong and the entire MonsterVerse franchise to date. Plus fans/audience gave it high ratings. Meaning there's room for both
For me the Monsteverse is becoming the next Transformers/Bayverse 2.0 movies (or films) for a couple/dozen of reasons that match the pattern of dance it follows unfortunately.
I prefer the tone and style of Godzilla 2014/Minus One over the Kaiju MCU we have today. I mean…..nothing feels big in the Monsterverse anymore. Plus, the immersion is totally gone, at least to me. I also hate how the Monsterverse’s lore keeps contradicting itself with every new entry.
I got a disagree. In my opinion. I still think King of the monsters has the best fights out of the whole monsterverse, and yeah, I understand the whole marvelazation of the monster verse. I want Bear back too, i think the later installments are missing that score. I hope they can return to form.
@@Milesatron i really like when monsters fight. they’re big and brainless and fight senselessly, and to me, that’s what makes it interesting. sometimes i wish they could just hug it out and love each other tho…
It's both hated & loved by many from both parties of the Gojira fandom/community depending on the different types of people's preferences/perspectives (yet those "control freaks won't accept what is what anymore).
The Monsterverse on the right hand has it's reasons on working whilst on the left hand it doesn't have it's reasons on not working (said by all of those "folks").
@@UG3017 wouldnt go as far as this guy, but it definitely lost track of where to go and is kind of just air balling the movies, theres hardly any consistency and they threw any sense of realism out the window and makes godzilla 2014 seem like its made by a completely different company
@@UG3017you are comparing an era of films that were only made due to the success of the first movie to the monsterverse which was meant to be a unique take on the Kaiju genre, y'know, doing something "different" as literally every other era? I can actually see why people would be upset as that uniqueness is now gone, if all you get from Godzilla is "dumb monster action" then you have a poor understanding of the Godzilla franchise as it's more than that.
@Mr.Wetherilli "dumb monster action" GxK: Shows signs of slavery, emotionally driven side-plot with no-words yet we understand everything going on. As well as introducing a main protagonist and revealing that he isn't the last of his kind. A tyrannical cruel dictator ruling over said species
I think It started to go downhill & slap the MV not so goodly when KOTM was announced & released then after that was GVK and then GXK. List of reasons behind why they didn't do well (from what we have seen so far): 1. Improperly bad writing 2. The Fan-service 3. The Nostalgia/Nostalgia 4. Monster designs becoming "traditional" by straying way to close to the classic designs that causes nostalgia to generate in our own minds 5. Improperly bad human character writing/storytelling 6. The handful of retcons in the lore of the MV 7. It's missing continuity, fundamental, coherent, world-building building blocks.
Glad we get to discuss every Godzilla film now bro! Thanks for joining me. We need to get you a new Manda figure though…..
I definently miss when the Monsterverse was more atmospheric and had more amazing cinematography, like in the first 3 movies, I loved the Halo jump scene from 2014 and the sunset scenes from Kong Skull Island. I really want that type of cinematography back after they've been absent from GvK and GxK.
I’d argue the great cinematography extends to GvK as well, but was lost in GxK.
@@killert_7759 What about that scrapped/cut idea or story for GVK where all Titans/Kajius/Giant Monsters & the 17 Including L.G (Legendary Godzilla/Gojira) where drawn to Skuol Island?
@@MrWaSpY-Trn That wasn't gonna be how it went down at all lol... It was supposed to be Monarch sending a bunch of Skull Crawlers and Behemoth back down to the Hollow Earth via the Portal on Skull Island. They were using the Orca-Z, and in the original cut of this film, an expedition with Nathan Lind's fiancé, Agatha, being killed by Hell Hawks as they entered through the portal trying to plant the Ocra down there. Godzilla would've been dealing with Titans awakened by Ghidorah.
Godzilla 2014 is still my favorite Godzilla design. The spiky dorsal plates, the sharp tail, the fiery atomic breath.
All of it is just 👌
Glad J and Z is getting some love, underrated channel fr
I loved GxK and I like Evolved Godzilla’s design, I think it looks badass. But I kinda miss the old Monsterverse when It was serious.
But I think we might actually be in luck with the next MV film with it being directed by Grant Sputore (Who has made pretty good and dark movies), and written by Dave Callaham (Who wrote Shang-Chi, but also wrote the original script for Godzilla 2014), so regarding to the next Monsterverse film, I think we’re good, let’s just hope for some engaging characters this time.
“Let them Cook”
-Dr Ishirō Serizawa
I admire your hope.
I still think the monsterverse is great
Even with the rights and wrongs it’s just one BIG homage to Godzilla history. That’s why I like it.
Great discussion. Can't wait for you two to discuss the rest of the franchise.
Also, you are not alone JandZ, I also think KOTM is a terrible Godzilla movie...
1:06:08 wrong. Axis mundi is a different realm. It exists between earth and hollow earth
Having now seen the show, I'm still a bit confused. I've heard some people say it is in Hollow Earth and others say it's a pocket dimension in between the two. Could you elaborate? Just hoping to get some clarification and am not trying to be rude or anything haha
@FirewoodMediaTV yes Axis Mundi is a realm in between earth and hollow earth. The longer you spend time down there the more time passes on the surface. Like say you spend like a day down there you'll miss probably 15 years depending on how long you're down there. It's random
I was around 15 when Godzilla came out and there's only a handful of times I've been that excited for a movie. Unfortunately the movie didn't really live up to the hype. Not having a short brawl at the airport was such a momentum killer and they cut out my favorite shot of the trailer: Godzulla roaring as the door shut. I also hate that they didn't have any thematic payoff to Cranston's character dying, which made me feel like his death was pointless (not to mention that it was handled poorly in the film). Overall, It'll sadly always sit at an 7.5/10 for me, when it could have easily been a 10 with some tweaks.
Dude, my thoughts exactly
Yeah. It’s still far and away my favorite Monsterverse movie, but there’s some issues that keep it from being perfect.
I think one of the biggest issues that holds this universe back is simply the fact that Toho doesn't allow Legendary to use more of their monsters. I understand some people defending whenever the Monsterverse uses more original monsters, but lately I feel that Legendary is getting little lazy with that aspect. I know I'm not the only one who thinks that in GvK, they were essentially doing knock-off creature designs to already existing Toho monsters. I know that they probably wanted to put Angirus and Manda in that movie but couldn't simply because Toho wouldn't let them.
If the Monsterverse is going to start resorting to that scheme, then I just don't want to see anymore movies from this universe. I think it's just stupid, severely limits and prohibits the potential of reintroducing legacy characters, and shows to me that Toho is way too strict with these things. It just won't feel like Godzilla anymore but something completely different entirely in the long run.
If anything, I'd rather just see Legendary quit the Monsterverse and do an entirely new King Kong reboot from scratch where that can become an entirely new film franchise that only focuses on giving King Kong his own rouges gallery and new original storyline.
As for Godzilla, I think it's probably better we just go back to how it was in the old days where it becomes an event when Toho themselves makes new Japanese Godzilla movies and releases it to the world. They own Godzilla and all the monsters they create, so I guess it's only fitting that Toho should just go back to making more Godzilla movies and just make a new era of films that brings back these monsters that G-fans love and respect.
I am essentially asking for things to just go back to how they were before 2014 because if Toho is going to continue limiting film production companies across seas of what they can and cannot do, I think it's probably better that Toho themselves just continue to make more of their movies and just release them globally for other nationalities to watch. We may just have to treat it like modern anime and just keep a look out for when something comes out in Japan and meanwhile, Kong fans can enjoy and revel in a new King Kong film series. It's the best of both worlds.
I believe that maybe Japanese/Korean live action shows are getting more popular here in the states on certain streaming services like Netflix, so I really do suggest that Toho takes the Godzilla franchise into that market so that more audiences in the world can take notice and the Godzilla and Tokusatsu fan communities can thrive on this new platform based venture.
The same I can say for more Ultraman stuff and anything else from the tokusatsu genre. Blending itself more into other live action Asian television shows that gets broadcast globally.
I don't know how a modern Hollywood take of Ultraman would work without people confusing him for DC's Ultraman. They may have to change quite a lot about Ultraman and it's lore if it's going to fly with a US audience. They can try to maybe to do an all Asian cast with some well known celebrities and have it jump between the US and Japan similarly to 2014's Godzilla, but it's gotta be something that modern Western audiences can understand. Maybe like Pacific Rim but done a little differently since it's essentially the American film industry adapting a Japanese foreign franchise which is something I don't think has been happening a lot since The Ring in the early 2000s.
The Monsterverse is alright in the directions its heading rn
If people truly didnt like it, the movies would bomb continuously. Nuff said
Buddy have you looked at the world? Bad or mediocre movies can make money lmao
@@darkshat3077You didn't even read or understand my comment lmao
@@darkshat3077 Besides GxK itself even had some emotional moments like Kong and Suko's bond, the scene of Skar King's layer which had one of the best pure emotional driven/no words spoken progression literally ever
Skar himself was good as well, much to people taking things about him out of context
@@UG3017 I dont think even you understood what you yourself wrote.
@@UG3017 when did I mention any of this, it has nothing to do with the conversation
GXK is the most successful Godzilla/Kong/MonsterVerse film to date. It wouldn't make those numbers if people truly hated it.
Quality =/= Good Box Office Performance
@FirewoodMediaTV Again if it was truly awful then no matter what it would not make as much as it actually did. It's literally the highest grossing film the character Godzilla and even Kong and the entire MonsterVerse franchise to date. Plus fans/audience gave it high ratings. Meaning there's room for both
@@antovald20theres loads of mediocre to bad movies that pull in money
@darkshat3077 There's a difference between personal taste and a popcorn movie design for fun
@@antovald20 facts 💯
The monster verse is like marvel like version of Godzilla and the monster verse is great
For me the Monsteverse is becoming the next Transformers/Bayverse 2.0 movies (or films) for a couple/dozen of reasons that match the pattern of dance it follows unfortunately.
I prefer the tone and style of Godzilla 2014/Minus One over the Kaiju MCU we have today.
I mean…..nothing feels big in the Monsterverse anymore. Plus, the immersion is totally gone, at least to me. I also hate how the Monsterverse’s lore keeps contradicting itself with every new entry.
I got a disagree. In my opinion. I still think King of the monsters has the best fights out of the whole monsterverse, and yeah, I understand the whole marvelazation of the monster verse. I want Bear back too, i think the later installments are missing that score. I hope they can return to form.
@@Milesatron i really like when monsters fight. they’re big and brainless and fight senselessly, and to me, that’s what makes it interesting. sometimes i wish they could just hug it out and love each other tho…
Didn't realize this was posted a minute ago lmao
GREAT discussion! But isn’t this just the same conversation on his channel? I don’t get it……
Godzilla King of the Monsters is the only Great monsterverse entry
King of the Monsters and Skull Island were solid movies but i think Godzilla vs Kong could've been a bit better
biggest cap
@ nah it’s fax
Cuz g14 and ksi are mid and gvk and gxk sucked balls
It's both hated & loved by many from both parties of the Gojira fandom/community depending on the different types of people's preferences/perspectives (yet those "control freaks won't accept what is what anymore).
@@megalaniatheking8535 GxK is a much better film than Kotm. At least the former knows that it's a "dumb" film.
The Monsterverse on the right hand has it's reasons on working whilst on the left hand it doesn't have it's reasons on not working (said by all of those "folks").
GxK ruined the monsterverse forever
Mind explaining?
@@UG3017 wouldnt go as far as this guy, but it definitely lost track of where to go and is kind of just air balling the movies, theres hardly any consistency and they threw any sense of realism out the window and makes godzilla 2014 seem like its made by a completely different company
@darkshat3077 It's just Godzilla being versatile🤷♂️
Also the Showa Era did the same dang thing and barely anyone complains(that I've seen)about it
@@UG3017you are comparing an era of films that were only made due to the success of the first movie to the monsterverse which was meant to be a unique take on the Kaiju genre, y'know, doing something "different" as literally every other era? I can actually see why people would be upset as that uniqueness is now gone, if all you get from Godzilla is "dumb monster action" then you have a poor understanding of the Godzilla franchise as it's more than that.
@Mr.Wetherilli "dumb monster action"
GxK: Shows signs of slavery, emotionally driven side-plot with no-words yet we understand everything going on. As well as introducing a main protagonist and revealing that he isn't the last of his kind. A tyrannical cruel dictator ruling over said species
everything after Kong Skull island is slop
I think It started to go downhill & slap the MV not so goodly when KOTM was announced & released then after that was GVK and then GXK. List of reasons behind why they didn't do well (from what we have seen so far):
1. Improperly bad writing
2. The Fan-service
3. The Nostalgia/Nostalgia
4. Monster designs becoming "traditional" by straying way to close to the classic designs that causes nostalgia to generate in our own minds
5. Improperly bad human character writing/storytelling
6. The handful of retcons in the lore of the MV
7. It's missing continuity, fundamental, coherent, world-building building blocks.