Black Doom Has COMPLETE CONTROL Over Shadow? - Dark Beginnings EPISODE 1
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- We've finally been presented with the first episode of Sonic x Shadow Generations Dark Beginnings. Of course we did have to wait almost the entire day as the release date for episode 1 never had an exact time.
In this video we'll be theorizing what the story may entail, and getting into the innerworkings of Shadow's mind. Black Doom has returned to cause havoc inside of SHadow's mind... or was it all a dream after all? We'll be diving into everything from the canon, to continuity, to the changes made to the Shadow's character.
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This honestly the best theory I've heard & makes me somewhat hopeful they'll do this right. I will say I think the new manga regardless of canonicity does help add to & contextualize important details this glosses over but if ur theory is even somewut correct that may have been intentional
I overall agree but i have some possible counter-points
7:00 All he said was he didn't know if he had a place there, not that he had 0 interest in going.
9:10 It seems that was just a sad moment. He saw his best friend/sister figure faint from her disease. HE'S supposed to be the cure, yet he can't help. It's a reminder he hasn't saved her. I feel like that's a valid reason not to be in the best mood.
9:50 Emerl is a robot, not a human. It could be that he only has reservations about killing human/living things
11:00 I agree with pretty much everything from here, I think this theory could be true
Sure we can go over these;
1. I never said he didn’t have an interest in going to earth, Shadow does pretty much says that himself though by even asking if there’s even a reason for him to. The point I was making was that Shadow in Dark Beginnings has already given up looking for a reason to exist, while in SA2 the entire motivation for going to Earth was to find his purpose, and help people by following Gerald’s words. What’s possible is that the conversation in SA2 just didn’t happen yet and Gerald hasn’t inspired him. Although I don’t think it would make sense for him to talk about Earth like that even so, as it removes his curiosity aspect that he shared with Maria
2. Sure that’s a valid reason for that moment. I should have shown all of the scene before, they still displayed that the demeanor of Shadow is quiet and melancholic. Perhaps it was just not the proper scene to show
3. The level of combat ability Shadow possesses in that fight is what I was referring to, he could even just be knocking people out in a matter of seconds if he was that good. I have no doubt that Shadow had exceptional combat abilities, but Emerl is a war machine.
Your understanding seems to be a bit surface level. Like you aren't really thinking in-depth about how Shadow's moments connect and the meaning between the lines of what the characters are saying. Anyway.
Damn, good meme
Honestly it's such a breath of fresh air to see you make a positive video on Ian Flynn's writing.
I was wondering how you were going to find problems in the writing this time, and thankfully you didn't.
If this level of quality can be consistent throughout all of the episodes and the game itself, This might be the best Ian Flynn story is a long while.
I do wonder, will you cover the Shadow manga? I haven't read it fully myself yet but it might be worth a video since it reveals some interesting stuff about Shadow's past.
Next episode releases next week, so i'm excited to see what they have been making and what you'll have to say about it.
See ya there!
Lmaooo, for sure. I don’t WANT to not like Ian’s work, if he does something I enjoy I will absolutely praise him for it. This isn’t the entire story just yet, so I’m hoping he keeps up. There was a lot of setup in this episode, so the only problems I really could have had was lore consistency. The only big thing I took issue with was Shadow’s attitude. I think that SEGA is rewriting how Shadow’s attitude had been in the past, this was shown off in the manga too…or they’re just so deep in how Shadow is portrayed today, that they won’t even let past Shadow be a different person than who he is now.
@@kotytang They didn't rewrite it. We just haven't seen so much of what Shadow was doing back in the day.
@@galten7361 Yes, and based on what we have seen, as I said in the video I never got the impression he acted the same, nor did I see any hints of it.
So, the second episode came out, do you have any thoughts@@kotytang?
@@Rainyar4779 Less than this one, but still quite a bit I want to go over. Currently writing the script, and making sure I research my thoughts properly.
Thanks for checking in ❤️
I think the shadow manga can explain how maria got shot....
Black Doom’s eye shown at the end of the Manga, I actually have a very similar theory about that one as well. So I question if those events are even accurate to Shadow’s real life.
I could be totally wrong about this, but i think that entire fight with emerl never happened and it is just black doom messing with shadow. Which further shows how much control he has.
I am definetely stating the obvious here, but given that Maria was able to send shadow away from the ark, means that the shot she took didn't kill her. She more than likely died of blood loss, which is represented by the bright light going down her body, when she gets shot in this dream sequence
lol yeah, that’s pretty much what I’m implying in the video. It could be uncertain what did and didn’t happen. If Black Doom can bring back the Biolizard, Metal Sonic, and now even Mephiles, he can definitely place other characters in Shadow’s past. However I’m sure the implication is that Emerl and Shadow did know each other to a degree.
I disagree with the kirk take. Maybe trying a little too hard to sound cool, but he sounds fine imo.
I'd even say his "Maria!" Is the best out of the three. At least better than Jason's
Nah nothin is better than Jason
@@akdreamer6497 Not overall just specifically the Maria scream
Nah, he sounds terrible as Shadow. It’s not the voice I expect to come out of him. Every single other actor was better David, Jason, and Ian. Kirk jarringly stands out.
This is actually like a really well done theory, but one thing that I think is that the entirety of the first half is shadow having a flashback because of the aurora borealis in the sky, along with the arc and the broken moon I think everything that happened actually happened until shadow landed that one punch and it shattered the entire reality. I think that actually happened until that moment shadow breaks reality. my theory on why shadow was acting like that with Maria when looking at earth is because the cut scenes from sa2 and shadow05 take place before Gerald tried to cure Maria with shadow when shadow was in a good enough state still not finished though and it fails, shadow learns that his purpose was caring Maria and it failed causing him to think he shouldn’t have been born and is useless and him thinking to himself that he should be able to since he is the ultimate life form because he is still early(also just gonna say early shadow beating out of control emerl is crazy. How strong is shadow) but if we did go based off of your theory, I still think that before shadow lands that big hit on Emerl shadow swaps personalities, but overall that is what happened on that day then after the big hit, that’s when black doom starts fucking with his head
Also shadow having all of his memories in full detail, I think makes sense because the way I see shadow05 is that every path/ending is a theme shadow goes through before the last story so we can get a idea on what shadow went through, but we don’t fully know which would mean shadow got manipulated by black doom, was convinced he was an android, thought he killed and everyone and tried to commit suicide,, trying to kill all humans because he learned what actually happened, got all his memories back properly, and more. Then it leads to the last story where shadow moves on with all the answers. But I think this animation in this story will show that while shadow has moved on. No one can fully moved on from every single traumatic event, they went through. That includes shadow that he hasn’t fully moved on, but he’s going to be forced to since we saw Maria in that story trailer. Shadow is going to fully move on after this if Ian Flynn doesn’t fuck it up which he I think he can do it. I believe in him for the first time.
@@EzBeeZerK But 05 alr acknowledged stuff like the nightmares & how he'll have minor doubts but choose not to dwell. It's literally in the lyrics for never turn back
@@EzBeeZerK Thanks I appreciate it, I've always been fascinated with every aspect surrounding Shadow's lore from Gerald and Maria, to Black Doom and Mephiles.
I'm still going with the theory that all of Dark Beginnings is a nightmare that Black Doom has placed on Shadow, so I would be very careful in saying that the nightmare really only began after he shattered the reality. I'm pretty sure that when we go to "present day" there's still something else going on there.
Gerald's plan was always to cure Maria and many other diseases, this project began at the Biolizard, Shadow was just the most recent trial. I also highly doubt that Gerald went up to Shadow talking about how hopeless it was to cure Maria and that he was failing. Gerald would absolutely not give up on Maria like that to the point that he was teling Shadow they were failing.
The routes of Shadow 05, to my understanding were possiblites, it's unlikely that the vast majority of those events happened. I mean there are routes where he kills Sonic, Eggman, and the GUN commander. It would be impossible to place those events canonically in any sort of seamless string. From the Last Story we can gather very minor details about what events in each route happened, but it's still hard to properly connect them, and even confirm them.
I agree that you don't just magically move on from trauma. With Black Doom being here all of that trauma will come rushing back to a tangible moment, no longer just a thing he thinks about. I am hopeful about Ian's writing this time around - Shadow is a very complex character, so we'll see what he can do with him.
@@nightlydata2181 I wouldn't use the theme songs as concrete responses and reasonings to anything about these characters. They're there to give you an idea and a feeling for the characters are about, but they're not the perfect rules and understandings of these characters.
@@kotytang They're used as strong evidence that further ideas alr proven. in 2016 a shadow comic strip by ST showed shadow dreamin bout a time when he was still in the pod & was named by maria for the 1st time. He wakes up & drives off after
Well, I think the reason Shadow's characterization seems contradictory is that whether or not he realizes it in the moment, he's still present-day Shadow, not Ark Shadow. His feelings are still real, even if he thinks he's back aboard the Ark. If this is the case, then that could give us some much-needed insight into Shadow's current character, like his feelings that he doesn't really belong on earth, and thereby his detached attitude towards everything, as well as his guilt from failing what he sees as his initial purpose.
It's still pretty contradictory to his development in the 2000s, but it's better than what we've been getting.
@@jessiebell6884 Yeah, him still being present day is what I say in the video.
I think that Shadow’s entire character stopped making sense after Sonic 06. That was where his character should be at this point following the events of his own game. If Shadows new angle since 2010 is that he just completely doesn’t belong on Earth and everybody around him sucks, I would not say it’s good lol. The promise to Maria became his entire purpose and understanding of who he is, his entire character in 2010 makes no sense.
The Shadow we get in this episode I’m very sure is still the same Shadow we’ve been getting, but Maria is involved so it only appears that he’s different. Once Rouge, Omega, and other characters pop up, especially in the game, we’ll be able to see if it’s a new direction or not.
@@kotytang yeah, I heard later, I just posted this partway through the video when it didn't sound like that was what you were saying. Also about it being a simulation of sorts, that would kind of help lead into the first level in space, where all of a sudden Black Doom has the ability to twist reality like the mirror dimension from Doctor Strange. Heck, it could even be a similar concept that they're using, or maybe this is Shadow's nightmare as he's trapped in white space.
I do like the idea of Black Doom bringing out Shadow's deepest memories. It seemed strange to me at first when Shadow made notes on the pacing of events, since he supposedly didn't remember much about his past in SA2 and STH'05. But since Black Doom is entwined into Shadow's DNA, he likely has the ability to resurface these more intimate details that were either lost to amnesia or repressed/manipulated by Prof. Gerald.
Why do you specify the year that the game "shadow the hedgehog" came out?
@@djb9267 not to cause confusion cus they have the same name. Y do u think we call sonic the hedgehog 2006, sonic 06?
Exactlyyyy, you see the vision. Black Doom would know Shadow’s entire story front to back
@@kotytang idk if he would know it "front to back". in 05 he had no clue till a certain point shadow lost his memories & forgot/was never told of the deal that was made. I agree wit op tho on the whole
Interesting, it was kind of obvious that Shadow was sort of reliving his time with Maria, but I didn't really break it down like you did. The possibility that Black Doom is actually controlling Shadow and making him relive these memories is an interesting theory i hadn't considered. The only problem is that Shadow killed Black Doom, but it is possible that the Time Eater inadvertently brought him back. Whether or not thats whats actually going on remains to be seen. We'll have to keep watching. You pointed out how Shadow emitting electricity is like how the characters' abilities are represented with electricity. I wasn't a fan of Sonic being represented this way, but it works really well for Shadow because it can be viewed as symbolic of his power, which is a major part of Shadow's character. Looking forward to seeing the rest of these animations.
As far as I understand, The Time Eater did bring back Black Doom. Isn’t that he entire premise of Sonic x Shadow Generations? I believe that Doom was definitely dead before
@kotytang I'm used to these shorts being prequels to the games in question, if Black Doom was brought back by the Time Eater then that would suggest that the short actually takes place during the game's events and not before, which is interesting. I assume the Time Eater is what brought back Doom, but it could be something else. Only time will tell.
For the time eater, from what I understand he mix past with present. So Black Doom came back. By lucky coincidences. And since he is opportunistic he quickly took the chance.
Yeah that’s what I imagined, the question for the game is; how can he do this
I’ve never liked kirk as shadow (great va and he did step it up for sxsh generations but..) and finding out he played kisame is too funny.. i really don’t get this casting choice at all
For sure, I wouldn’t say that Kirk is a bad actor…. He is just unequivocally not a Shadow The Hedgehog voice… or at least not the voice he chose to use.
The manga does have one answer to one of your question
Hmmm, what’s interesting about the manga is that during the part where Maria gets shot black dooms eye pops up - it’s questionable if that is a reliable narrative as well.
I think why black doom is still around he use a part of himself to make shadow
me planning to play the game and watch this entire series in Japanese:
Why? The series is originally written in English and the Japanese is dubbed.
@@KAT8941 cus most of the games R written in jp & the eng scripts suck & R plain inconsistent in so many ways
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@@nightlydata2181They’re fine to me, I’ve seen a ton of both this point.
@@kotytang I jus like bein true to ST's vision
Ahah! Poor Kirk Thornton, nobody likes his voice. We'll, neither do I.
So I'm not the only one who noticed that inconsistency in Shadow's character in the ARK. In SA2 from the dialogue with Maria, he wanted to visit Earth and from his words it seemed it was also a personal wish. The melancholy is part of his nature, but he wasn't depressed in 2001.
About the nightmare, unfortunately some part gave me few positive (read - happy) sensations. That's not the fault of the anymators. Is mine. Part of the nightmare looked too closely to a nightmare I had at the age of 5, and since it was also a lucid dream, I just took control and played with it.
Still, I could clearly see Shadow's angst. I'm surprised he could be so alive, I mean, expressions and body language. In the latest decade he seemed always tied.
Yeah I have no problem with him not being extremely cheerful, but I imagined he had more than just a few words to speak at a time, and didn’t walk around the ARK Brooding.