My good friend Vinny Bell (deceased) played guitar on all their recording sessions, he said Frank Vincent from the Sopranos played drums on a few sessions. He also said Bob Crewe didn't like the hand clapping sound on some of their hits and asked the musicians to drop their pants and slap their thighs, Vinnie said they did.
At about 4:20 it was stated that Bob Gaudio wrote "My Eyes Adored You." He did not. "My Eyes Adored You" was written by Bob Crewe and Kenny Nolan. David
@@joe-mcneill In the description you said "just to clarify a few small mistakes" - but didn't include this mistake in that list? How come? It's been 5 months eh? Maybe it's time to add it into your description now?
@ Yeah sure, I figured it would be visible enough as this comes up as the top comment when you watch this video, but there’s no harm also sticking it in there. Thanks for pointing it out!
Birthday 1961, i was a little kid and i was playing my older siblings 45s. When i heard Sherry i thought it was a girl singing🤣 a few years later i read in my sister's yearbook her favorite song was Lets Hang On. They're still one of my favorite groups. I saw Frankie at the Fox Theater in Detroit in 2016. They put on a good show.
Seen a couple comments (on here or others videos) recently on people who saw him in the last decade or so. Seems like you got in and saw him before he got to the unfortunate state he's in now. Glad to know you loved it!
Saw them in the Savannah Civic Center in the mid '70's. Was basically forced to go with my GF and her uncle and his wife. We had gone to the civic center to see everyone from Three dog night, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Mountain, Boston, and too many more hard rock bands to list. This was a sit down concert and we thought Frankie Valli would be lame. Bubble gum. Something for the older folks. But WOW...in person live they were great! His band played some instrumentals and were every bit as rock n roll as the ones we were used to seeing. Great show!
t video was amazing, the editing was top-notch! We definitely need a series about the four seasons. Jersey Boys didn't really do justice to the band's career, and with the pacing of the songs being all over the place, it's hard for a true fan not to nitpick. It's a shame that there isn't much demand for them, they are truly underrated.
Thanks so much for the support! Frankie and Four Seasons hold a weird place in pop culture where they are wildly popular but don’t hold nearly the same fanbase or legacy as many of their other contemporaries in my opinion. That’s why I thought it would make an interesting point of discussion, glad you liked it :)
@@kaijuclash5480 Oh and how I agree. A Series would be great and with the proper promotion I believe would draw interest. I also agree, very underrated.
my mother was a big fan of frankie valli and the four seasons i can't tell you how many times she watched the movie jersey boys. if she were here today she would love this i wish she could see it.
There are 3 songs originally done by Frankie Valli that were not hits for him, but for others. "Native New Yorker" by Odyssey released late 1977 peaked at number 21 on the Billboard charts. It did not chart for Frankie who first released it. "The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine (Anymore)" only peaked at 128 on the Billboard charts in the fall of 1965. The Walker Brothers took the same song to number 13 in the spring of 1966. Also "The Proud One" Frankie took to #68 in late 1966. The Osmonds took it to #22 in June of 1975.
@@Picasso_Picante92 The guys that wrote Native New Yorker wrote other songs for the 4 Seasons, like Let's Hang On in 1965. I was listening to a Northern Soul DJ on Mixcloud, and he mentioned that after he played the Odyssey version. It was news to me also.
Yeah, my apologies. I just had to find the original clip where I sourced this and the uploader of the video labelled it as Frankie Valli, not Avalon. They look so alike I couldn't even tell the difference lol, but I apologise and I've amended this mistake in the description of the video.
This is such a well put together mini documentary, well done mate. The Four Seasons music is something myself, my parents and grandparents have loved, although with the amount I play it, they may have become sick of it 😂 Their music is some of the only music that can genuinely make me happy and improve my mood, no matter the song, whether it’s the funky, upbeat tempo of their 70s stuff like Who Loves You, or the beautiful elegance of a song like Rag Doll, it never fails to cheer me up.
Thank you so much for the compliment, the one thing Frankie’s music always felt to me was warm, and I think you put it pretty lovely in this paragraph!
@@joe-mcneillit's REALLY not "incredible" - it's just very VERY sad at this point... I really encourage you to actually look up what's going on with the guy now, instead of blindly saying it's "incredible" - You could do an entire video breaking down what is going on with Frankie Valli today... You CLEARLY haven't seen a single one of the many clips out now of what his "performances" are like today... As if you had, you DEFINITELY would not describe ANYTHING that's going on with the guy today as "pretty incredible" - (unless saying it's "pretty incredibly sad... Pretty incredibly gross... Etc etc...) @Fitzrovialitter Isn't even doing it justice imo, by saying it's *just* "miming" - It's more like elder abuse then "just miming". It looks like the guy doesn't even know where he is anymore, or undestand what he's even doing out on the stage anymore... Doesn't seem to even remember the most basic lyrics to his biggest hits anymore... They just guide him out to center stage, And then press "play" on the CD of his vocal track(s) to his songs behind the curtain, while he just stands there, unable to move basically, unable or unwilling or whatever is going wrong with him, so that his lips don't even move CLOSE to enough to make it look like he's legitimately singing a SINGLE note 🤦🤦 It looks like the guy should be in a nursing home, receiving help for Dementia/Alzheimer's, but instead he has an entire team of leeches around him, that are desperately trying to use his name and likeness as long as humanely possible, in order to rake in every penny possible off of nostalgia... ...Trying to cash in off all the boomers who aren't online, or are just people like you and OP Barbara Monaco here, who just haven't seen one of his performances lately, but instead saw some sort of promotional media telling you he's still touring... be it a commercial, a radio ad, etc etc, and trying to get people to buy tickets out of nostalgia alone basically... People not knowing what they're about to see, but assuming it would still be half decent, or they'd assume he wouldn't still be doing it at 90... But they're wrong, because they didn't assume the entire team of leeches behind him, leading him everywhere he goes now... It's just really really sad... The "four seasons" behind him now are all like 30-year-olds, who are wheeling out Frankie to embarrass him and his legacy, all in the name of the almighty dollar... There's an entire ecosystem around leaching off Frankie and his legacy... Pathetically sad. I'm convinced Frankie doesn't even know what city he's in now 75% of the time... Never mind what city they're dragging him to next... So I just don't believe he would still be doing this if it was up to him, on his own... Feels very much like a situation where his kids are trying to rake in every last dollar off of pops' audience, before he passes away, and they can't leach & take in anything major off their dads success anymore...
@ Sorry to see how you feel about Frankie. I do agree with you, the videos look pretty bad now. I made my video before all the ones of him performing started going viral so I guess it was coincidental timing that it was near the same time period, and a shame at what his performances have turned into. If you’re interested though, he has responded to the criticisms he’s had, I’ll give you a link here if you want to read it. www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13910003/amp/frankie-valli-forcing-amid-online-speculation-health.html
@@BoboMcBooboy I can't but wholly agree with your analysis. The original poster is one of those RUclips "creators", who, whilst knowing nothing about the subject, chooses to cobble together a video from half-gleaned information which he embraced without question .
Oh my God thanks George!! I used some of the footage you’ve uploaded to your channel for this very video. I can’t thank you enough for your dedication to bringing his appearances onto this platform :))
@@joe-mcneill You are most welcome. So glad you found some of the footage on my channel useful for this vid. Huge fan of Valli and the Seasons and really enjoying your channel also. Take care and be well.
@@georgemusic4all4seasons You are absolutely not don’t worry haha. I appreciate everything, I’d be honoured if you post this wherever you see fit. If you have any pages you want me to follow I can try. Thanks again
Not exactly sure which clip you’re referring to, but if it’s the intro, then that is definitely Frankie. ruclips.net/video/0gNYYJv4anA/видео.htmlsi=Il4J-Ys2cBB6smXf
@razmo21 @francisruggiero8361 I had another comment remind me of this, apologies for not replying properly sooner, but you were totally right, my apologies. I went to find the source of this clip and the video is LABELLED Frankie Valli by the uploader, but turns out it's Mr Avalon instead, they looked so alike back then that I barely could see the difference lol. But thank you for originally pointing it out and I've amended this error in the description for future viewers.
Probably yeah. Songwriters are pretty underpaid right now but back then, and especially actually being in the Four Seasons himself, I imagine he rakes in a lot now haha
Yeah the recent videos of him are pretty sad to watch. Another commenter was talking about this earlier and I’ll link you the same article. He ended up responding to all the criticism if you wanna give it a read! www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13910003/amp/frankie-valli-forcing-amid-online-speculation-health.html
What made the Four Seasons was Frankie Valley's voice, but it was, also, the reason that they were not bigger than they were. For whatever reason, back in the day, you had this slew of male singers going soprano in a falseto, We could never figure it out. I remember back in 1963 hearing Two Faces Have I for the first time. You immediately knew it was a guy, but what guy is going to be seen or heard singing along in his falsetto voice? Then there was the Newebeats with their sophmoric I like Bread and Butter, something which should have been heard once in a studio and the tape immediately burned. Couple years passed and they charted in 65 with Run Baby Run, in the style of the Four Seasons. Not tall on the charts, but it had potentional if they had trashed the sopranno. Del Shannon came out of the gate in 1961 with Runaway. Great song, but what f--ked it up was he had to go into a soprano during the chorus. What the record companies were not getting was that if you were out on a date, the only tunes we had to listen to was what was on the airwaves. Couple guys had 45s in their cars, effectivetly useless, but looked cool. Anyway, if they got rid of the soprano voices, their songs would have even been bigger than they were. There was no guy in the world who was going to sing to Four Seasons songs when you were out on a date. Now, if you were sloshed at some point in the evening guys might try it. About the most iconic Four Seasons song was Working My Way Back to You. This was a song all of us could relate to doing something in a relationship which, whatever you did, caused a breakup. Depending on what you did, maybe you could get back together, maybe there was no going back. We were going through a transition back then where we could not specifically identify with the changes going on in music. Most of us did not like the Beatles. Mainly, young girls liked them. The Beach Boys were a west coast deal. We were east coast guys and the Beach Boys may have been the Beatles as far as we were concerned. I went to one of their first concerts on the east coast because there was a girl who I really wanted to go out with and kept turing me down. I finally got my chance with her to take her to a Beach Boys concert. I should have figured that if she said yes to me, she probably was turned down by twenty five other guys whom she wanted to take her to see the Beach Boys. From a male perspective, the Dave Clark Five or Jerry and the Pacemakers made a lot more sense than the Beatles did to most guys, but girls liked the Beatles. Anyway, had the Four Seasons put their records out without the sopranno voice of Franke Valley or him going into a falsetto, they would have been a lot bigger than they were. I could say a lot more about the time back then but the Four Seasons were saying what we were feeling and thinking inwardly, but not what we were going to express outwardly, if that makes sense. Let me try it one more different way to put this into perspective. Lou Christie had an almost monster hit in 66 called Rhapsody in the Rain, the bodacious, uncensored verson. Lots of us had been there. Just imagine as you are listening to the song play, you had met someone, the intensity of meeting that person landed you and her in the backseat of your car. You never told her what was going on in your life, but the experience you had with her just rocked your world from one end to the other. You wanted it to continue, to go on forever. You park outside her door one night, on the street rather, smoking a cigarette and drinking from a bottle sitting in your car. You want her, you want to go up and knock on her door, but you don't, yoiu can't. She was the best thing which happened to you in a long time. You can't do what you really want to do. Reality sets in. You throw the nail outside on the deck, start your car and leave. Couple days later, you were headed for Vietnam. It no longer mattered.
It's always really cool hearing opinions from someone who really lived in the timeline of events while Frankie was on the scene, and it sounds like you've got a lot of experience haha. Thanks for watching and your comment :)
Mmmm... it's sort of necessary to mention why they declined so abruptly at the end of the 1960s: "Genuine Imitation Life Gazette". Yeah, they tried to go "psychedelic". Admittedly, Crewe and Gaudio did a great production on that album, but musically it's...weird. It's not exactly rooted in tie-dye and weed smoke; it's more like the part of the 1960s that you got with the 1964 World's Fair, but with "Trippy Effects™" added. Flopped HARD, as I recall...the single "Idaho" never took off (although the B-side, "Something's On Her Mind", had some really neat 60s production...and probably should've been the A, tbh), Jethro Tull lifted the cover idea for "Thick as a Brick", and overall, it sounds "phoned in", like some sort of contractual obligation. Very strange piece of work.
Interesting. I'm very much not familiar with the album as a whole, I only paid brief mind to it during my research for that neat fact of Jethro Tull using the album cover concept for themselves. As someone who didn't live during these times, your insight on why they declined is pretty cool. In terms of why I didn't mention the late 60s/early 70s declining period: It was purely to keep the video concise and focus more time on the key events, it was a lot easier to summarise almost a decades worth of decline in a couple sentences rather than talk through each album individually. Thanks for your comment though, was cool to hear about that album!
@@joe-mcneillCome on! If you actually knew anything about this topic you would know exactly who Bob Crewe was. You repeatedly called him Bob Crow out of ignorance; it was not a mispronunciation.
@@Fitzrovialitter I did not do this to spite Bob Crewe, if he didn’t exist I wouldn’t have been able to make this video. I came in new to this topic and did as much research as I could in a short amount of time. It’s a mispronunciation on my part that I’ve corrected myself on before you even commented about it. Have a good day
@@joe-mcneill Just as I suspected. The creator of this video personally knows nothing about the subject - The Four Seasons - and just cobbled together a cod biography based upon his "research ", perhaps with the misguided intent and hope to monetize this niche interest... and by "research" I mean uncritically reading Wikipedia and watching random RUclips videos on the topic, with no personal understanding or perspective, and no ability to discriminate fact from fiction. Whoever suggested you "mispronounced" Bob Crewe's name as "Bob Crow" "out of spite"? Certainly not I. But you didn't even "mispronounce" it: you thought his name really was Crow.
@ I have barely 150 subscribers and this is filled with copyrighted music, there is no way I can monetise this content. I do this to provide a concise and educational explanation to people of a figure I became fascinated by in a short span of time. If you think this entire video is worth dismissing because of one mispronunciation that I’ve already apologised for, I’d prefer if you take your opinions elsewhere. Thank you
Frankie Valli has, for me, a candidate for the most annoying voice in pop, down there with Morrissey and Phil Oakey. So many of the Four Seasons' songs would sound so much better without that falsetto.
My good friend Vinny Bell (deceased) played guitar on all their recording sessions, he said Frank Vincent from the Sopranos played drums on a few sessions. He also said Bob Crewe didn't like the hand clapping sound on some of their hits and asked the musicians to drop their pants and slap their thighs, Vinnie said they did.
Loved everything they did!! The v-j LPs, Philips, warners, crewe and other labels!! What a killer group!! They made radio back then phenomenal!! 🥳
At about 4:20 it was stated that Bob Gaudio wrote "My Eyes Adored You." He did not. "My Eyes Adored You" was written by Bob Crewe and Kenny Nolan.
David
You’re completely right, can’t believe I missed that. Thanks for pointing that out
@@joe-mcneill In the description you said "just to clarify a few small mistakes" - but didn't include this mistake in that list? How come? It's been 5 months eh? Maybe it's time to add it into your description now?
@ Yeah sure, I figured it would be visible enough as this comes up as the top comment when you watch this video, but there’s no harm also sticking it in there. Thanks for pointing it out!
Birthday 1961, i was a little kid and i was playing my older siblings 45s. When i heard Sherry i thought it was a girl singing🤣 a few years later i read in my sister's yearbook her favorite song was Lets Hang On. They're still one of my favorite groups. I saw Frankie at the Fox Theater in Detroit in 2016. They put on a good show.
Seen a couple comments (on here or others videos) recently on people who saw him in the last decade or so. Seems like you got in and saw him before he got to the unfortunate state he's in now. Glad to know you loved it!
Fantastic editing and presentation. I never even knew he had hearing problems. Great job with the video
Thank you so much, glad you liked it! There’s hopefully plenty more to come in the future….
Saw them in the Savannah Civic Center in the mid '70's. Was basically forced to go with my GF and her uncle and his wife. We had gone to the civic center to see everyone from Three dog night, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Mountain, Boston, and too many more hard rock bands to list. This was a sit down concert and we thought Frankie Valli would be lame. Bubble gum. Something for the older folks. But WOW...in person live they were great! His band played some instrumentals and were every bit as rock n roll as the ones we were used to seeing. Great show!
This is an amazing story! I’m glad you you enjoyed it and the video, means a lot
What a brilliant falsetto voice Frankie Valli has. Unique.
Fascinating voice, fascinating story
t video was amazing, the editing was top-notch! We definitely need a series about the four seasons. Jersey Boys didn't really do justice to the band's career, and with the pacing of the songs being all over the place, it's hard for a true fan not to nitpick. It's a shame that there isn't much demand for them, they are truly underrated.
Thanks so much for the support! Frankie and Four Seasons hold a weird place in pop culture where they are wildly popular but don’t hold nearly the same fanbase or legacy as many of their other contemporaries in my opinion. That’s why I thought it would make an interesting point of discussion, glad you liked it :)
@@kaijuclash5480 Oh and how I agree. A Series would be great and with the proper promotion I believe would draw interest. I also agree, very underrated.
'Strange voice'? No." Unique voice".
So agree they and he are treasures!
Agreed!!
I saw Jersey Boys at the Murat Theatre in Indianapolis. It was fantastic!
Seeing him performing now is painful and sad. He looks like he died 5 years ago. If you pay to see him in 2025, you're assisting in elder abuse.
my mother was a big fan of frankie valli and the four seasons i can't tell you how many times she watched the movie jersey boys. if she were here today she would love this i wish she could see it.
I’m so glad you liked it, messages like this mean the world, thank you so much
There are 3 songs originally done by Frankie Valli that were not hits for him, but for others. "Native New Yorker" by Odyssey released late 1977 peaked at number 21 on the Billboard charts. It did not chart for Frankie who first released it.
"The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine (Anymore)" only peaked at 128 on the Billboard charts in the fall of 1965. The Walker Brothers took the same song to number 13 in the spring of 1966. Also "The Proud One" Frankie took to #68 in late 1966. The Osmonds took it to #22 in June of 1975.
Pretty interesting stuff!
The Seasons' own record label did nothing to help them; both they and The Walker Brothers were on Philips.
I had no idea Frankie recorded Native New Yorker. Cool bit of trivia. Going to search for it on RUclips.
@@Picasso_Picante92 Written by Linzer / Randell, Native New Yorker appeared first on the 1977 Valli album "Lady Put the Light Out".
@@Picasso_Picante92 The guys that wrote Native New Yorker wrote other songs for the 4 Seasons, like Let's Hang On in 1965. I was listening to a Northern Soul DJ on Mixcloud, and he mentioned that after he played the Odyssey version. It was news to me also.
Such a brilliant story of Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons it was my first ever album brought back some wonderful memories thank you
❤❤
@@joe-mcneill Rag Doll was my first album.
Who loves youu from 1975 was a great comeback. Opening line reminds me of Kojak, LOL!
When I was making this video, this song came to honestly become one of my favourites, just behind December 1963 of course ;)
Lol...@0:11 It's.....Frankie AVALON
Yeah, my apologies. I just had to find the original clip where I sourced this and the uploader of the video labelled it as Frankie Valli, not Avalon. They look so alike I couldn't even tell the difference lol, but I apologise and I've amended this mistake in the description of the video.
The Mayor of Munchkin-land.
"Biggest song"? I can't imagine.
The character name for Joe Pecsi in Goodfellas is Tommy DeVito..
Yep it’s all full circle. Did a tiny bit of digging and apparently the naming was coincidental, but I’m sure there’s a connection…
This is such a well put together mini documentary, well done mate. The Four Seasons music is something myself, my parents and grandparents have loved, although with the amount I play it, they may have become sick of it 😂
Their music is some of the only music that can genuinely make me happy and improve my mood, no matter the song, whether it’s the funky, upbeat tempo of their 70s stuff like Who Loves You, or the beautiful elegance of a song like Rag Doll, it never fails to cheer me up.
Thank you so much for the compliment, the one thing Frankie’s music always felt to me was warm, and I think you put it pretty lovely in this paragraph!
Frankie Valli is still on the road at 90. He'll be performing 2 shows in my area in November 2024.
It’s pretty incredible isn’t it
Miming rather than "performing".
@@joe-mcneillit's REALLY not "incredible" - it's just very VERY sad at this point... I really encourage you to actually look up what's going on with the guy now, instead of blindly saying it's "incredible" - You could do an entire video breaking down what is going on with Frankie Valli today...
You CLEARLY haven't seen a single one of the many clips out now of what his "performances" are like today... As if you had, you DEFINITELY would not describe ANYTHING that's going on with the guy today as "pretty incredible" - (unless saying it's "pretty incredibly sad... Pretty incredibly gross... Etc etc...)
@Fitzrovialitter Isn't even doing it justice imo, by saying it's *just* "miming" - It's more like elder abuse then "just miming".
It looks like the guy doesn't even know where he is anymore, or undestand what he's even doing out on the stage anymore... Doesn't seem to even remember the most basic lyrics to his biggest hits anymore...
They just guide him out to center stage, And then press "play" on the CD of his vocal track(s) to his songs behind the curtain, while he just stands there, unable to move basically, unable or unwilling or whatever is going wrong with him, so that his lips don't even move CLOSE to enough to make it look like he's legitimately singing a SINGLE note 🤦🤦
It looks like the guy should be in a nursing home, receiving help for Dementia/Alzheimer's, but instead he has an entire team of leeches around him, that are desperately trying to use his name and likeness as long as humanely possible, in order to rake in every penny possible off of nostalgia...
...Trying to cash in off all the boomers who aren't online, or are just people like you and OP Barbara Monaco here, who just haven't seen one of his performances lately, but instead saw some sort of promotional media telling you he's still touring... be it a commercial, a radio ad, etc etc, and trying to get people to buy tickets out of nostalgia alone basically... People not knowing what they're about to see, but assuming it would still be half decent, or they'd assume he wouldn't still be doing it at 90... But they're wrong, because they didn't assume the entire team of leeches behind him, leading him everywhere he goes now... It's just really really sad...
The "four seasons" behind him now are all like 30-year-olds, who are wheeling out Frankie to embarrass him and his legacy, all in the name of the almighty dollar... There's an entire ecosystem around leaching off Frankie and his legacy... Pathetically sad. I'm convinced Frankie doesn't even know what city he's in now 75% of the time... Never mind what city they're dragging him to next... So I just don't believe he would still be doing this if it was up to him, on his own...
Feels very much like a situation where his kids are trying to rake in every last dollar off of pops' audience, before he passes away, and they can't leach & take in anything major off their dads success anymore...
@ Sorry to see how you feel about Frankie. I do agree with you, the videos look pretty bad now. I made my video before all the ones of him performing started going viral so I guess it was coincidental timing that it was near the same time period, and a shame at what his performances have turned into.
If you’re interested though, he has responded to the criticisms he’s had, I’ll give you a link here if you want to read it. www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13910003/amp/frankie-valli-forcing-amid-online-speculation-health.html
@@BoboMcBooboy I can't but wholly agree with your analysis.
The original poster is one of those RUclips "creators", who, whilst knowing nothing about the subject, chooses to cobble together a video from half-gleaned information which he embraced without question .
My number one all time favorite band, Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons. A new subscriber to your channel.
Oh my God thanks George!! I used some of the footage you’ve uploaded to your channel for this very video. I can’t thank you enough for your dedication to bringing his appearances onto this platform :))
@@joe-mcneill You are most welcome. So glad you found some of the footage on my channel useful for this vid. Huge fan of Valli and the Seasons and really enjoying your channel also. Take care and be well.
Don’t mean to be a pest, but one last thing. I’m going to post the link to this vid on several Valli Facebook pages. Take care.
@@georgemusic4all4seasons You are absolutely not don’t worry haha. I appreciate everything, I’d be honoured if you post this wherever you see fit. If you have any pages you want me to follow I can try. Thanks again
I like how they show Frankie Avalon at the beginning as if he was Frankie Valli
Not exactly sure which clip you’re referring to, but if it’s the intro, then that is definitely Frankie. ruclips.net/video/0gNYYJv4anA/видео.htmlsi=Il4J-Ys2cBB6smXf
@@joe-mcneill It is mostly Frankie Valli, but it also prominently shows an image of Frankie Avalon for some reason.
@@razmo21 Is there a chance you can show the timestamp where it is at all?
@@joe-mcneillabout 11 seconds
@razmo21 @francisruggiero8361 I had another comment remind me of this, apologies for not replying properly sooner, but you were totally right, my apologies. I went to find the source of this clip and the video is LABELLED Frankie Valli by the uploader, but turns out it's Mr Avalon instead, they looked so alike back then that I barely could see the difference lol. But thank you for originally pointing it out and I've amended this error in the description for future viewers.
ACTUALLY INSANE QUALITY FOR A VIDEO?? i was thinking this was from a channel with upwards of hundreds of thousands of subscribere, incredible work!!
Thank you SO MUCH! Comments like this mean the world :))
@@joe-mcneill quite literally went back and binged all your videos, they're fantastic works!!
Insane inaccuracies rather than quality.
Bob Gaudio must be stupendously rich
Probably yeah. Songwriters are pretty underpaid right now but back then, and especially actually being in the Four Seasons himself, I imagine he rakes in a lot now haha
I'm sure he is. But, having met him a few times, he's always been very gracious to this fan.
@ That’s amazing! How did you both meet?
Great job man, very easy to listen to and watch
Thank you so much! Means the world :)
Gerry , was the greatest on this
He was, even went on the marry Frankie’s daughter at one point!
A masterpiece biography
Thank you so much Marty, really means a ton!
He's doing even less on his current tour. Yes he's in his 90's but that doesn't justify lip syncing the entire show, and badly!!
THIS IS AMAZING
THANK YOU SO MUCH
Love his music. But I’ve seen recent videos of him. Someone is forcing him to be on stage at this point
Yeah the recent videos of him are pretty sad to watch. Another commenter was talking about this earlier and I’ll link you the same article. He ended up responding to all the criticism if you wanna give it a read! www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13910003/amp/frankie-valli-forcing-amid-online-speculation-health.html
Doing very now ,except miming
What made the Four Seasons was Frankie Valley's voice, but it was, also, the reason that they were not bigger than they were.
For whatever reason, back in the day, you had this slew of male singers going soprano in a falseto, We could never figure it out.
I remember back in 1963 hearing Two Faces Have I for the first time. You immediately knew it was a guy, but what guy is going to be seen or heard singing along in his falsetto voice?
Then there was the Newebeats with their sophmoric I like Bread and Butter, something which should have been heard once in a studio and the tape immediately burned.
Couple years passed and they charted in 65 with Run Baby Run, in the style of the Four Seasons. Not tall on the charts, but it had potentional if they had trashed the sopranno.
Del Shannon came out of the gate in 1961 with Runaway. Great song, but what f--ked it up was he had to go into a soprano during the chorus.
What the record companies were not getting was that if you were out on a date, the only tunes we had to listen to was what was on the airwaves. Couple guys had 45s in their cars, effectivetly useless, but looked cool.
Anyway, if they got rid of the soprano voices, their songs would have even been bigger than they were. There was no guy in the world who was going to sing to Four Seasons songs when you were out on a date.
Now, if you were sloshed at some point in the evening guys might try it.
About the most iconic Four Seasons song was Working My Way Back to You. This was a song all of us could relate to doing something in a relationship which, whatever you did, caused a breakup. Depending on what you did, maybe you could get back together, maybe there was no going back.
We were going through a transition back then where we could not specifically identify with the changes going on in music. Most of us did not like the Beatles. Mainly, young girls liked them. The Beach Boys were a west coast deal. We were east coast guys and the Beach Boys may have been the Beatles as far as we were concerned. I went to one of their first concerts on the east coast because there was a girl who I really wanted to go out with and kept turing me down. I finally got my chance with her to take her to a Beach Boys concert.
I should have figured that if she said yes to me, she probably was turned down by twenty five other guys whom she wanted to take her to see the Beach Boys.
From a male perspective, the Dave Clark Five or Jerry and the Pacemakers made a lot more sense than the Beatles did to most guys, but girls liked the Beatles.
Anyway, had the Four Seasons put their records out without the sopranno voice of Franke Valley or him going into a falsetto, they would have been a lot bigger than they were.
I could say a lot more about the time back then but the Four Seasons were saying what we were feeling and thinking inwardly, but not what we were going to express outwardly, if that makes sense.
Let me try it one more different way to put this into perspective.
Lou Christie had an almost monster hit in 66 called Rhapsody in the Rain, the bodacious, uncensored verson. Lots of us had been there. Just imagine as you are listening to the song play, you had met someone, the intensity of meeting that person landed you and her in the backseat of your car.
You never told her what was going on in your life, but the experience you had with her just rocked your world from one end to the other. You wanted it to continue, to go on forever.
You park outside her door one night, on the street rather, smoking a cigarette and drinking from a bottle sitting in your car. You want her, you want to go up and knock on her door, but you don't, yoiu can't.
She was the best thing which happened to you in a long time.
You can't do what you really want to do. Reality sets in. You throw the nail outside on the deck, start your car and leave.
Couple days later, you were headed for Vietnam.
It no longer mattered.
It's always really cool hearing opinions from someone who really lived in the timeline of events while Frankie was on the scene, and it sounds like you've got a lot of experience haha. Thanks for watching and your comment :)
Great comment.
@@theobserver2309 Exactly :)
@@tibetbill What a load of rambling semi-literate nonsense . And his name is Valli, not "Valley".
Mmmm... it's sort of necessary to mention why they declined so abruptly at the end of the 1960s: "Genuine Imitation Life Gazette".
Yeah, they tried to go "psychedelic". Admittedly, Crewe and Gaudio did a great production on that album, but musically it's...weird. It's not exactly rooted in tie-dye and weed smoke; it's more like the part of the 1960s that you got with the 1964 World's Fair, but with "Trippy Effects™" added. Flopped HARD, as I recall...the single "Idaho" never took off (although the B-side, "Something's On Her Mind", had some really neat 60s production...and probably should've been the A, tbh), Jethro Tull lifted the cover idea for "Thick as a Brick", and overall, it sounds "phoned in", like some sort of contractual obligation. Very strange piece of work.
Interesting. I'm very much not familiar with the album as a whole, I only paid brief mind to it during my research for that neat fact of Jethro Tull using the album cover concept for themselves.
As someone who didn't live during these times, your insight on why they declined is pretty cool. In terms of why I didn't mention the late 60s/early 70s declining period: It was purely to keep the video concise and focus more time on the key events, it was a lot easier to summarise almost a decades worth of decline in a couple sentences rather than talk through each album individually. Thanks for your comment though, was cool to hear about that album!
Genuine I Imitation Life Gazette was full of beautiful songs, lyrics written by Jake Holmes. I can't imagine what was possibly "psychedelic" about it.
This is elder abuse. Quit!
To me? Or Frankie? Lol
This is bizarre. The creator of this drivel doesn't even recognize that Frankie's songwriter, arranger and producer is Bob Crewe not "Bob Crow".
Look in the description please. I immediately realised once I got into the editing process after I had recorded the voiceover. Sorry for any offence
@@joe-mcneillCome on! If you actually knew anything about this topic you would know exactly who Bob Crewe was. You repeatedly called him Bob Crow out of ignorance; it was not a mispronunciation.
@@Fitzrovialitter I did not do this to spite Bob Crewe, if he didn’t exist I wouldn’t have been able to make this video. I came in new to this topic and did as much research as I could in a short amount of time. It’s a mispronunciation on my part that I’ve corrected myself on before you even commented about it. Have a good day
@@joe-mcneill Just as I suspected. The creator of this video personally knows nothing about the subject - The Four Seasons - and just cobbled together a cod biography based upon his "research ", perhaps with the misguided intent and hope to monetize this niche interest... and by "research" I mean uncritically reading Wikipedia and watching random RUclips videos on the topic, with no personal understanding or perspective, and no ability to discriminate fact from fiction.
Whoever suggested you "mispronounced" Bob Crewe's name as "Bob Crow" "out of spite"? Certainly not I. But you didn't even "mispronounce" it: you thought his name really was Crow.
@ I have barely 150 subscribers and this is filled with copyrighted music, there is no way I can monetise this content. I do this to provide a concise and educational explanation to people of a figure I became fascinated by in a short span of time. If you think this entire video is worth dismissing because of one mispronunciation that I’ve already apologised for, I’d prefer if you take your opinions elsewhere. Thank you
A man who sings like a teenage girl going through puberty.
It’s definitely polarising haha
@@TheJbhmetal Valli doesn't sing like that at all. You're just speaking your own fantasies out loud .
@@Fitzrovialitter cmon. "Sheerrieeeeee"
@@TheJbhmetal Cite one single example of a teenage girl's "going through puberty" that sounds anything like Valli. Just one.
Frankie Valli has, for me, a candidate for the most annoying voice in pop, down there with Morrissey and Phil Oakey. So many of the Four Seasons' songs would sound so much better without that falsetto.
Definitely a voice that divides people!
I like it though.
Without falsetto, Barry Gibb and the Delfonics wouldn’t be themselves
Well,this video is aging worse than Frankie 😂😂😂