He is not lip syncing. His wife/the piano player Korey sings the part of the chorus where he doesn't sing where it goes "you take the pain I feel" and "the way you make me feel"
@IonWrestler Playing drums isn't all about playing a solo. Also, just because she isn't 'technical' with her creations doesn't mean she is bad drummer. What she writes and how she plays is good for Skillet, and shows that she is pretty good for a female. Of course she isn't on The Rev, Joey, Lars, or others like Chad Szeliga and Shannon Larkin's level, but she is definitely one of the top female, and even top hard rock drummers. Most of the people that you list come from metal/punk scenes.
@XxKillzoneEFFECTxX I'm not gonna knock Stone Sour 'cause they're awesome too, but you don't want to miss out on Comatose! It's one of my favorite CDs EVER. Find every way possible to get both =D
How far away from the Stage were you for you to have gotten such a CLEAR and Really GOOD sound??? I'm going this Saturday to the Avalanche Tour and I wouldn't mind capturing some video of the concert here in Lubbock, TX.
@IonWrestler Okay, let me rephrase. She is a good female drummer, and you can't deny that. I haven't seen really any female drummers than can rock out like she can, if any at all. And don't tell me to 'know your artists.' I have been drumming since I could walk, and I know nearly every drummer there is.
@thecelloable Jen does have something other drummers dont have, a voice and a pretty face. That is exactly why she became their drummer. Jen herself has said she is not that good. When she first joined the band she had a long training period with the first drummer. So as you already said anyone can learn something. She did have a heck of a lot of practice, with the orig drummer. You just revived a 3 month old argument. Their is plenty of proof including her own testimony. Crawl under a rock.
@IonWrestler Dude, half the people I said have made occurrence's on top 10 drummer lists as well. I know Rose and Paul have, I think Wengren and Larkin did too. The other people may not have made a "Top 10 Drummers" list, but they are top 10 in my book. So I guess its more personal opinion then anything else. Theres really no such thing as FACT when it comes to this.
@IonWrestler Well you got 3 out of 6 right (Joey, The Rev, and Lars). You also forgot Mike Wengren, Shannon Larkin, Morgan Rose, Vinnie Paul, Chad Szeliga, and Mike Luce, along with this chick are some of the better drummers in the rock industry right now. You may want to know your artists before you push down someone who states something as fact.
@IonWrestler You are correct, Skillet is guitar based, which is why it doesn't matter that Jen is not that good. It is more important that she can sing and is pretty. You say I have no proof? They're probably 1000 videos of Skillet on youtube and not a single one shows Jen playing difficult drum beat. Not only do you not know what your talking about but you continue posting without actually reading the tings I say to you. I shouldnt even waste my time with you.
@IonWrestler see who's better they will all have their own specialties the others won't be able to do. I'm almost positive Jen has something none of those other drummers you mentioned are able to do without a heck of a lot of practice as goes for them as well. There is no solid "fact" as to who is a better drummer, only opinions. not to mention they're all in bands with their own unique sound so of course everyone will be better at one type of drumming while the others not so skilled.
What is up with John and the vests these days? I'm glad I saw them at the Awake and Alive tour that way I didn't have to see him in it. It just bothers me. The beard is awesome though and so is their music.
@IonWrestler She has never drummed anything hard? So, you have been with her every time you have played drums? I don't see you posting videos or anything or recording with a growing band, so your opinion doesn't really matter. Btw, her drum solo live was actually pretty sick.
@J4sh3r sorry should of say christian band and that does sing Apocalyptica ask band members like Three Days Grace to help sing every songs... Skillet doesn't ask anyone
@Gunnyrba Do you not understand that 90% of drummers in the world can drum what Jen does? Your trying to take the easy way out and say agree to disagree but were not debating opinion, we are debating fact. How good someone is, is not opinion. How much you enjoy someone is opinion, If you enjoy here great, so do I. But if you think she is really good, even for a girl, your wrong.
@IonWrestler k since when is a personal opinion also a fact? A fact is something that has proof to support it, an opinion is just a person or group of peoples view on a certain subject matter. It's you OPINION that she isn't good, not FACT. Just because she isn't in the top 10 best doesn't mean it's fact she isn't good. Plus, those top 10's are opinions of fans/critics of the bands. also, they all have different styles. you put those top 10 or even those considered bad up against each other to
@XxDrummifiedxX "no good" and not very good are very different. I never said I didnt like her. I really dont have any other arguments. If your going to try to get into a argument you should research everything that has been said. Your making a fool of yourself.
@IonWrestler Please tell me how you give proof? A video of someone playing drums and you saying they suck is not proof that they suck. To you they suck, but to someone else they are good, so therefore it is your opinion.
@XxDrummifiedxX Oh you corrected my grammer... now what happens? I never told anyone what they could think I just stated a fact, a fact that Jen has pointed out herself. Yes I'm all talk, I'm your everyday keyboard warrior. At least that's what you want to think since you will never meet me in real life and you would like to think you could do something to me lol. Did I ever say I was as good as Jen? What does my drumming skill have do do with it?
@XxDrummifiedxX If your not even going to read the things I post, don't even bother replying. I said she is one of the worst drummers of popular bands. You talk about thousands who want to be where she is... uh yeah the ones that drum for bands no one knows about. Good enough and great are a huge difference. When they first found her the old skillet drummer had to take a good amount of time to train her.
@IonWrestler and finally, you seriously never mentioned Mike Portnoy as one of the best?? in my opinion as well as many people i know, would be that he is among the top 5 best. again, that is not FACT, that is our OPINIONS. when it comes to music, there is no solid "fact" about who'se better and who isnt. it all comes down to the drummers sound and style.
@codyfortag She doesnt do a single song with hard drum music. Even her solos are easy. If you think they are good then your not very good at drumming. Sorry bro.
@Gunnyrba You should know your artists bud, everyone I listed is a common occurrence on many top 10 drummer lists, where as Jen Ledger can hardly bang out a solo and is on 0 top 10 drummer lists(barring female only) You really have no idea what you are talking about, you just made a fool out of yourself
@XxDrummifiedxX You talk really big but your just a troll. There is plenty of evidence that shows Jen is not a great drummer including her own statement that she is not that great. 3 months ago when this argument started I would have been glad to go dig up that information but since your just trolling me I dont really care.
@codyfortag Actually, she is one of the worst drummers for a main stream band. This is widely known. Drummers that are actually good are travis barker, Joey Jordinson, Shannon Leto,Jimmy suliven, Lars Ulrich and Tre cool. Know your artists before you try to push down someone who states something as fact.
@codyfortag She is really good? So you have been with her every time she has played drums? I dont see you posting videos or anything or recording with a growing band, so your opinion doesnt really matter. See how easily I just used the same shit against you? You just pwned yourself and I didnt even have to do anything. The fact is, with all of Skillets music that is available to listen to, NONE of it has hard drumming and none of Jens solos were difficult. I can back myself up, you cant.
@XxDrummifiedxX I'm not attacking, only stating fact. Skill in anything is fact not opinion. If I said Adrian Peterson is a amazing running back, that is FACT not opinion. Jen is not a top anything drummer. I have never said she was horrible. You just are just putting her on a massive pedistle. By doing this you are badmouthing all the amazing drummers out there by belittling their skill. Jen is so amazingly average and you think she is just amazingly amazing.
@codyfortag She is not even a top female drummer, dont be led around by your short sword. She does her job well, but she has never drummed anything hard in her whole life.
@XxDrummifiedxX Lol, don't pretend to know anything about debate; I can tell you don't know how, people that debate use facts and see facts that are shown. If your trying to tell me that Jen is better than those thousands of young good drummers you can go take a hike. She is their for looks and her voice. My points are very valid because I have video proof. Jen very well could be a rising star and someday be good but for now, she is one of the worst drummers in a mainstream band
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The best John has ever looked,Like a BOSS!
fuckin love this song!!
The drummer is insanely talented
I was sooo excited when they played this cuz I really didn't think they would... Great concert!
Bad ass drummer
i was at this show!!
Jonathan Chu is AWESOME!
I was there too and took a picture with john the violin player and he signed my ticket stub.
the only band in Avalanche that can jam out with violins can't see any rock bands hardly doing that
@UnknownSoldier1647 I do, I enjoy skillets music a lot and really like the songs with jen singing in them.
He is not lip syncing. His wife/the piano player Korey sings the part of the chorus where he doesn't sing where it goes "you take the pain I feel" and "the way you make me feel"
@IonWrestler Playing drums isn't all about playing a solo. Also, just because she isn't 'technical' with her creations doesn't mean she is bad drummer. What she writes and how she plays is good for Skillet, and shows that she is pretty good for a female. Of course she isn't on The Rev, Joey, Lars, or others like Chad Szeliga and Shannon Larkin's level, but she is definitely one of the top female, and even top hard rock drummers. Most of the people that you list come from metal/punk scenes.
@XxKillzoneEFFECTxX I'm not gonna knock Stone Sour 'cause they're awesome too, but you don't want to miss out on Comatose! It's one of my favorite CDs EVER. Find every way possible to get both =D
pls come to Edmonton ^^ SKILLET >.
How far away from the Stage were you for you to have gotten such a CLEAR and Really GOOD sound??? I'm going this Saturday to the Avalanche Tour and I wouldn't mind capturing some video of the concert here in Lubbock, TX.
your favorite member is obviously violinist jonny chu
and also apparently Korey has gotten better at singing than she was originally, because she doesn't sound bad here
@IonWrestler Actually, she is a pretty damn good drummer.
Since when did Snape play the violin?
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@IonWrestler Okay, let me rephrase. She is a good female drummer, and you can't deny that. I haven't seen really any female drummers than can rock out like she can, if any at all. And don't tell me to 'know your artists.' I have been drumming since I could walk, and I know nearly every drummer there is.
@thecelloable Jen does have something other drummers dont have, a voice and a pretty face. That is exactly why she became their drummer. Jen herself has said she is not that good. When she first joined the band she had a long training period with the first drummer. So as you already said anyone can learn something. She did have a heck of a lot of practice, with the orig drummer. You just revived a 3 month old argument. Their is plenty of proof including her own testimony. Crawl under a rock.
@devilmanhappy good I am not alone in thinking that one
@IonWrestler Dude, half the people I said have made occurrence's on top 10 drummer lists as well. I know Rose and Paul have, I think Wengren and Larkin did too. The other people may not have made a "Top 10 Drummers" list, but they are top 10 in my book. So I guess its more personal opinion then anything else. Theres really no such thing as FACT when it comes to this.
hey dude i was wundering how you got that avalanch tour thing in the botum right corner
the heck I didnt even reconize john with the beard wow
@IonWrestler Well you got 3 out of 6 right (Joey, The Rev, and Lars). You also forgot Mike Wengren, Shannon Larkin, Morgan Rose, Vinnie Paul, Chad Szeliga, and Mike Luce, along with this chick are some of the better drummers in the rock industry right now. You may want to know your artists before you push down someone who states something as fact.
@IonWrestler You are correct, Skillet is guitar based, which is why it doesn't matter that Jen is not that good. It is more important that she can sing and is pretty. You say I have no proof? They're probably 1000 videos of Skillet on youtube and not a single one shows Jen playing difficult drum beat. Not only do you not know what your talking about but you continue posting without actually reading the tings I say to you. I shouldnt even waste my time with you.
@IonWrestler practice enough and anyone can play what somebody else can play
@IonWrestler see who's better they will all have their own specialties the others won't be able to do. I'm almost positive Jen has something none of those other drummers you mentioned are able to do without a heck of a lot of practice as goes for them as well. There is no solid "fact" as to who is a better drummer, only opinions. not to mention they're all in bands with their own unique sound so of course everyone will be better at one type of drumming while the others not so skilled.
@demonraygaming actually she isnt that great at drums but, her voice and presence more than make up for it.
Ffs man! Come to Denmark!
@XxKillzoneEFFECTxX Isn't Skillet awesome! It's off of the Comatose CD, check it out =)
What is up with John and the vests these days? I'm glad I saw them at the Awake and Alive tour that way I didn't have to see him in it. It just bothers me. The beard is awesome though and so is their music.
@IonWrestler She has never drummed anything hard? So, you have been with her every time you have played drums? I don't see you posting videos or anything or recording with a growing band, so your opinion doesn't really matter.
Btw, her drum solo live was actually pretty sick.
The man who play on the violin looks like Snape from Harry Potter :D
@J4sh3r sorry should of say christian band and that does sing Apocalyptica ask band members like Three Days Grace to help sing every songs... Skillet doesn't ask anyone
@Gunnyrba Do you not understand that 90% of drummers in the world can drum what Jen does? Your trying to take the easy way out and say agree to disagree but were not debating opinion, we are debating fact. How good someone is, is not opinion. How much you enjoy someone is opinion, If you enjoy here great, so do I. But if you think she is really good, even for a girl, your wrong.
@IonWrestler k since when is a personal opinion also a fact? A fact is something that has proof to support it, an opinion is just a person or group of peoples view on a certain subject matter. It's you OPINION that she isn't good, not FACT. Just because she isn't in the top 10 best doesn't mean it's fact she isn't good. Plus, those top 10's are opinions of fans/critics of the bands. also, they all have different styles. you put those top 10 or even those considered bad up against each other to
@XxDrummifiedxX "no good" and not very good are very different. I never said I didnt like her. I really dont have any other arguments. If your going to try to get into a argument you should research everything that has been said. Your making a fool of yourself.
jen is hot
@IonWrestler since when was it ever a fact that she's not a good drummer???
@IonWrestler Please tell me how you give proof? A video of someone playing drums and you saying they suck is not proof that they suck. To you they suck, but to someone else they are good, so therefore it is your opinion.
@IonWrestler so Im a troll because I said that you better respect Jen? okay..
@XxDrummifiedxX Oh you corrected my grammer... now what happens? I never told anyone what they could think I just stated a fact, a fact that Jen has pointed out herself. Yes I'm all talk, I'm your everyday keyboard warrior. At least that's what you want to think since you will never meet me in real life and you would like to think you could do something to me lol. Did I ever say I was as good as Jen? What does my drumming skill have do do with it?
@XxDrummifiedxX If your not even going to read the things I post, don't even bother replying. I said she is one of the worst drummers of popular bands. You talk about thousands who want to be where she is... uh yeah the ones that drum for bands no one knows about. Good enough and great are a huge difference. When they first found her the old skillet drummer had to take a good amount of time to train her.
@IonWrestler and finally, you seriously never mentioned Mike Portnoy as one of the best?? in my opinion as well as many people i know, would be that he is among the top 5 best. again, that is not FACT, that is our OPINIONS. when it comes to music, there is no solid "fact" about who'se better and who isnt. it all comes down to the drummers sound and style.
opinions on jonathan salas?
Seth and Ben are both much better
@codyfortag She doesnt do a single song with hard drum music. Even her solos are easy. If you think they are good then your not very good at drumming. Sorry bro.
@Gunnyrba You should know your artists bud, everyone I listed is a common occurrence on many top 10 drummer lists, where as Jen Ledger can hardly bang out a solo and is on 0 top 10 drummer lists(barring female only) You really have no idea what you are talking about, you just made a fool out of yourself
definitely not. i've seen them live
@XxDrummifiedxX You talk really big but your just a troll. There is plenty of evidence that shows Jen is not a great drummer including her own statement that she is not that great. 3 months ago when this argument started I would have been glad to go dig up that information but since your just trolling me I dont really care.
no homo, but john is better with beard
@codyfortag Actually, she is one of the worst drummers for a main stream band. This is widely known. Drummers that are actually good are travis barker, Joey Jordinson, Shannon Leto,Jimmy suliven, Lars Ulrich and Tre cool. Know your artists before you try to push down someone who states something as fact.
@codyfortag She is really good? So you have been with her every time she has played drums? I dont see you posting videos or anything or recording with a growing band, so your opinion doesnt really matter. See how easily I just used the same shit against you? You just pwned yourself and I didnt even have to do anything. The fact is, with all of Skillets music that is available to listen to, NONE of it has hard drumming and none of Jens solos were difficult. I can back myself up, you cant.
@XxDrummifiedxX I'm not attacking, only stating fact. Skill in anything is fact not opinion. If I said Adrian Peterson is a amazing running back, that is FACT not opinion. Jen is not a top anything drummer. I have never said she was horrible. You just are just putting her on a massive pedistle. By doing this you are badmouthing all the amazing drummers out there by belittling their skill. Jen is so amazingly average and you think she is just amazingly amazing.
@codyfortag She is not even a top female drummer, dont be led around by your short sword. She does her job well, but she has never drummed anything hard in her whole life.
@IonWrestler try to sing and play drums at the same time.. one of the most hardest shit to do, show some respect and gtfo
@XxDrummifiedxX Lol, don't pretend to know anything about debate; I can tell you don't know how, people that debate use facts and see facts that are shown. If your trying to tell me that Jen is better than those thousands of young good drummers you can go take a hike. She is their for looks and her voice. My points are very valid because I have video proof. Jen very well could be a rising star and someday be good but for now, she is one of the worst drummers in a mainstream band
@grawlier I have, and it doesnt make her a better drummer. GTFO