I actually like this chair for lounging. I put the recline all the way back and stretch out in it. The flexible seat pan and back is great and sort of makes up for the lack of rocking. I'm 6ft 2 with long legs so the way this seat reclines with the seat sliding forward is great. I just need a footrest to complete it.
A couple years ago I bought a $550au gaming chair.. The seat wore away completely within 3 years, I then spent $50 on a flatmates crappier gaming chair. Finally this week I got myself a leap for $700au, amazing chair. My back is already thanking me, and is without a doubt better for gaming.
I like standing all day, but once I sit, I want to lean WAY back, can you do a video focused on how the chairs perform in a maximally reclined position, think like watching a movie in a movie theater. For low back problems, standing is least amount of pressure, then actually about 115 degrees, not 90 degrees (Google "lumbar disc pressure" and see that reclined is only 5% higher than standing whereas 90 degrees "ergonomic" is 40% more weight on lumbar disc pressure)
I am from India and had severl back, neck and shoulder issues. I've tried various chairs from local brands and also International brands but I must admit that the Steelcase Leap V2 chair is THE best chair. I can sit even cross legged which is somewhat common here in India and also for longer duration without facing any pain.
Question for you guys at BTOD, when buying Refurbished Leaps, why do you only sell the black frame versions? Watching the refurbished process, it looks like you have piles of the grey frames? This is the one thing thats holding me back...
I have own/have owned or used most of these chairs now so I feel like I can give a fairly decent opinion on these chairs now. I just got rid of my Fern, still have a V1 Leap and have an Embody and I have to say I hate the Fern and like the V1 Leap over my Embody. The Embody is nice but it definitely needs a headrest so once I get one I will decide whether to keep it or not. The Leap is just comfortable all around and the live back is nice. The arm pads are nicer than the Embody's and the motion better too, the only better arms are the Gestures. My next chair will most likely be a Gunlocke Washington, I am coming to the realization that those are the kind of chairs I like the most.
@@salut9658 No headrest on the Leap and honestly it and my Haworth Improve H.E. I didn't really feel the need for one. Definitely with the Fern and definitely with the Embody I would want a headrest.
One thing to add is if your back is too large or wide for the fern and embody, the leap will fit you like a glove, no pushed shoulders, and no lower back pain.
I wish the arms slid back further to allow elbow support when you are up close to a desk. The recline feature feels wasted without a good headrest, which they don't offer. The lumbar support is weak to nil.
Someone once offered me two amazing Italian soft leather lean back chairs that were hald way between office and gaming. I've never sat in anything to match them. Wish I could remember what they were.
They aren't biased, they're very thorough. If you want a more candid opinion of the chairs they review, I would check out their tier list videos. They have a bunch and the leap is on a lot of them.
I have an aeron remastered, Haworth fern and leap v2, and for my back the leap is best. I like the other two as well, but the fern lacks seat depth and the aeron doesn't let you pull back your shoulders and elbows. Also personally i don't value reclining at all.
Tried the aeron and embody in store and it wasn't it for me. For my lightweight build the Leap v2 has been the most comfortable by far. The Chosm was great too but needs better arm rests
00:04:55 this is a huge positive point for me contrary to your negative, I'm a static lounger, if this thing is meant to hold position whilst in feet up tilt back, I'm in fkin business :)
Just returned my aeron size b due to the pressure points the seat created half way my butt/thigh. How firm is the Leap’s seat ? I don’t want too plushy either but I don’t want aeron firmness….
Currently testing a Leap V2 with upgraded back and seat cushions from Crandall. I also have an Aeron Remastered which I've used daily for the last three years. And the arm pads on the Leap are a *far cry* from the comfort of the Aeron's. I actually picked up a pair of foam arm pads on Amazon for the Leap, because for long hours at the desk where my elbows rest on the pads, it became unbearable quickly. I actually consider the stock pads to be the weakest feature on the Leap without doubt; in fact, without these third party pads I picked up, I would 100% return this chair. The rocking functionality of the Leap is subpar compared to the Aeron, but the Aeron is king of all in this department.
The Leap has design problems, so over time it may start to creak and the backrest mount may start to pop out of the slots on one side. I came across this on my old Leap V2 and sold it, and after that, I saw in the reviews on Amazon that a person faced the same problem with a new chair. So, unfortunately, the design is too complicated, not very well thought out and has problems. As long as it works properly, the chair is wonderful.
Don't buy this chair if you need firm lumbar support!!!! I have a budging disc at the L4/L5 region, as a result I cant sit on a chair with lumbar support that lets my lower back round at all. The lumbar support on this chair is very underwhelming. Even on the tightest or firmest setting if I relax my torso into the chair my lower back rounds slightly causing slight flexion in the disc. Literally the reason I purchased this stupidly expensive chair was for the all the reviews that highlighted the aggressive lumbar support. The live back technology steel case raves about is too dynamic and flexible allowing the lower back to bend or flex while on the firmest setting. If your just regular person with a healthy back this chair is fine but still not worth $1600 aus dollars.
Personally much prefer the herman millar aeron which is much more supportive and because of the mesh moulds you . It a personal choice - try before you buy .. leap was ok for 5 minutes
What do you think about reports of user saying that leap v2 has a crooked back? Do you notice it on your chair as well? Apparently is a widespread problem, some users are disturbed by it, some not, but I never saw anyone say that it wasn't a thing.
Because the shell is so thin, it’s really tough for it to be perfectly straight. When you put any weight on it, it should even out. Chairs that have been used for many years by something that lean to the side may be a problem but I don’t think it’s an issue for most people. -Ryan
"I downranked it because I can't rock back and forth like a weirdo. It's designed for sitting still". That's not a problem for most people. That's preference at worst.
I rock back and forth in my Embody and other chairs all the time. I also constantly change the four way adjustable rocker on it that determines how far back I can go. Just because you don’t do something doesn’t mean a lot of other people don’t. So yeah it matters.
That's a recognition that a rocking mechanism like those offered on the embody are extremely desirable and once experienced, hard to live without. I use a gaming embody and would never consider a chair without a similar mechanism. I also never use headrest, anywhere, so I'm happy for a design that doesn't have one.
Ordered a refurbed red leap from you guys last week. Only issue i have so far is it wont ship for still a another 9 days. Hope the leap doesnt let me down first time I'm buying a chair more than 50 bucks 🫡
@@hasanrentiya252 i want to reply you with a more detailed answer in a few days lol. Because it might be causing me some new pain but i want to rule other things out.
@@hasanrentiya252 forgot to respond. But the chair feels great. The seat is soft and the back is responsive and the adjustment features are very helpful. Im not sure why but after two weeks on the chair my left leg started feeling really stiff and i had pretty mild-to very bad pain running from behind my legs all the way to back of my left upper thigh. And behind my knee got swollen. Got it checked xrays and blood scans and everything was clean no blood clots or anything doctors had no idea what was going on. Stating this now im not obese im 5'8 175 lbs and i do work from home and sit for long. I did try to actively move more per my doctors request even though by the time i bought the leap i was moving more than i already did before i bought the leap. After minimal results from moving more whenever i could i switched chairs with my gf (ticova chair) and that same day i saw a reduction of pain about 30% and after about 3 days my left leg felt 0 pain and the swelling was gone when before i was feeling pain for a whole week sitting in thr leap. I did take a ibuprofen twice but im positive it was the chair. I am using the leap again and so far do good. And lastly i do sit like a normal person. So at worst the chair was potentially causing blood clot like symptoms and at best it gave my left leg mild cramps. I love the chair all and all tho so im hoping i feel no pain again.
I actually like this chair for lounging. I put the recline all the way back and stretch out in it. The flexible seat pan and back is great and sort of makes up for the lack of rocking. I'm 6ft 2 with long legs so the way this seat reclines with the seat sliding forward is great. I just need a footrest to complete it.
I'm same height with long legs and just ordered the chair. Thanks for this comment because I wasn't able to test chair myself before buying.
@@salut9658 yeah I don’t use a headrest, I’ve never had one on an ergo office chair.
A couple years ago I bought a $550au gaming chair.. The seat wore away completely within 3 years, I then spent $50 on a flatmates crappier gaming chair. Finally this week I got myself a leap for $700au, amazing chair. My back is already thanking me, and is without a doubt better for gaming.
Same here. Don't get hyped up by gaming chairs.secret lab is the worse
I like standing all day, but once I sit, I want to lean WAY back, can you do a video focused on how the chairs perform in a maximally reclined position, think like watching a movie in a movie theater.
For low back problems, standing is least amount of pressure, then actually about 115 degrees, not 90 degrees (Google "lumbar disc pressure" and see that reclined is only 5% higher than standing whereas 90 degrees "ergonomic" is 40% more weight on lumbar disc pressure)
I am from India and had severl back, neck and shoulder issues. I've tried various chairs from local brands and also International brands but I must admit that the Steelcase Leap V2 chair is THE best chair. I can sit even cross legged which is somewhat common here in India and also for longer duration without facing any pain.
Even I am from India. May I please know how much did the Steelcase Leap cost you in India?
@@ankita_156 Purchased for around 85k but I am planning to sell it soon as I am plannign to quit my software job
How much you planning to sell it for?
@@jagjitsingh6334 I am planning to sell it for around 40k as it is in excellent condition and also in Era Blue Nickel color. Slightly negotiable
@@karthiksm4749 Hey how to contact you if I want to see your leap chair ?
Question for you guys at BTOD, when buying Refurbished Leaps, why do you only sell the black frame versions? Watching the refurbished process, it looks like you have piles of the grey frames? This is the one thing thats holding me back...
Same here. Black is so boring and my next chair will have a grey frame.
Keeping it out of the S tier for a small recline "issue" is insane. That's like expecting a Honda to perform like a Mustang
I have own/have owned or used most of these chairs now so I feel like I can give a fairly decent opinion on these chairs now. I just got rid of my Fern, still have a V1 Leap and have an Embody and I have to say I hate the Fern and like the V1 Leap over my Embody. The Embody is nice but it definitely needs a headrest so once I get one I will decide whether to keep it or not. The Leap is just comfortable all around and the live back is nice. The arm pads are nicer than the Embody's and the motion better too, the only better arms are the Gestures. My next chair will most likely be a Gunlocke Washington, I am coming to the realization that those are the kind of chairs I like the most.
@@salut9658 No headrest on the Leap and honestly it and my Haworth Improve H.E. I didn't really feel the need for one. Definitely with the Fern and definitely with the Embody I would want a headrest.
One thing to add is if your back is too large or wide for the fern and embody, the leap will fit you like a glove, no pushed shoulders, and no lower back pain.
I wish the arms slid back further to allow elbow support when you are up close to a desk. The recline feature feels wasted without a good headrest, which they don't offer. The lumbar support is weak to nil.
Someone once offered me two amazing Italian soft leather lean back chairs that were hald way between office and gaming. I've never sat in anything to match them. Wish I could remember what they were.
Hard to know if it's good or if they are biased.
Buy the chairs and test them yourself, how about that. 🤷♂
They aren't biased, they're very thorough. If you want a more candid opinion of the chairs they review, I would check out their tier list videos. They have a bunch and the leap is on a lot of them.
I have an aeron remastered, Haworth fern and leap v2, and for my back the leap is best. I like the other two as well, but the fern lacks seat depth and the aeron doesn't let you pull back your shoulders and elbows.
Also personally i don't value reclining at all.
Of course he's biased. Listen to the part of "why it isn't S-tier"
It’s really good.
Leap is the perfect combination of working efficiency and lounging chair. My absolute favorite chair of all time
Almost perfect. You can set up everything but the armrest height is pretty low when you sit in a good posture, your arms never touch them.
Tried the aeron and embody in store and it wasn't it for me. For my lightweight build the Leap v2 has been the most comfortable by far. The Chosm was great too but needs better arm rests
Have you tried the Cosm with the height adjustable armrests?
@@StardustLegacyFighter Nope, seen it in pics but no idea what's it's like in person.
Definitely top 3 along with the Fern and Embody. It's longevity speaks for itself.
fern and embody shouldn't even be in a top 10
@@sasso3844 why is that?
00:04:55 this is a huge positive point for me contrary to your negative,
I'm a static lounger, if this thing is meant to hold position whilst in feet up tilt back, I'm in fkin business :)
Just returned my aeron size b due to the pressure points the seat created half way my butt/thigh. How firm is the Leap’s seat ? I don’t want too plushy either but I don’t want aeron firmness….
Me watching this while sitting in my leap :)
could you compare hermann miller , steelcase etc. vs. interstuhl from germany. They also make some very high quality chairs
Currently testing a Leap V2 with upgraded back and seat cushions from Crandall. I also have an Aeron Remastered which I've used daily for the last three years. And the arm pads on the Leap are a *far cry* from the comfort of the Aeron's. I actually picked up a pair of foam arm pads on Amazon for the Leap, because for long hours at the desk where my elbows rest on the pads, it became unbearable quickly. I actually consider the stock pads to be the weakest feature on the Leap without doubt; in fact, without these third party pads I picked up, I would 100% return this chair. The rocking functionality of the Leap is subpar compared to the Aeron, but the Aeron is king of all in this department.
Try supporting more mid-arm instead of the elbow.
I got a refurbished one a few days ago and I just can't get comfortable in it, the seat is thin and the back is so awkward
Wish it have a better headrest
ditto
I have a gesture, but I would probably trade it for a leap plus if offered. Sadly, my Leap v2 is too narrow for me anymore.
The Leap has design problems, so over time it may start to creak and the backrest mount may start to pop out of the slots on one side. I came across this on my old Leap V2 and sold it, and after that, I saw in the reviews on Amazon that a person faced the same problem with a new chair. So, unfortunately, the design is too complicated, not very well thought out and has problems. As long as it works properly, the chair is wonderful.
Where can you buy the replacement part for the lumbar support?
Don't buy this chair if you need firm lumbar support!!!! I have a budging disc at the L4/L5 region, as a result I cant sit on a chair with lumbar support that lets my lower back round at all. The lumbar support on this chair is very underwhelming. Even on the tightest or firmest setting if I relax my torso into the chair my lower back rounds slightly causing slight flexion in the disc. Literally the reason I purchased this stupidly expensive chair was for the all the reviews that highlighted the aggressive lumbar support. The live back technology steel case raves about is too dynamic and flexible allowing the lower back to bend or flex while on the firmest setting. If your just regular person with a healthy back this chair is fine but still not worth $1600 aus dollars.
I am also from Australia. Considering the Mirra 2 which I prefer over the Aeron. Curious to try Leap v2 though.
@@jhellier it’s really comfortable, just doesn’t have great lower back support.
Personally much prefer the herman millar aeron which is much more supportive and because of the mesh moulds you . It a personal choice - try before you buy .. leap was ok for 5 minutes
Where can you get this nice design of the leap v2?
What do you think about reports of user saying that leap v2 has a crooked back?
Do you notice it on your chair as well?
Apparently is a widespread problem, some users are disturbed by it, some not, but I never saw anyone say that it wasn't a thing.
Because the shell is so thin, it’s really tough for it to be perfectly straight. When you put any weight on it, it should even out. Chairs that have been used for many years by something that lean to the side may be a problem but I don’t think it’s an issue for most people. -Ryan
Leap v2 or sayl
Would this be better than the embody? Cause i just got the embody and my butt gets sore
Great to know, now I just have to remove this headrest...
1:49 And this is why both chairs are garbage.
"I downranked it because I can't rock back and forth like a weirdo. It's designed for sitting still".
That's not a problem for most people. That's preference at worst.
I rock back and forth in my Embody and other chairs all the time. I also constantly change the four way adjustable rocker on it that determines how far back I can go. Just because you don’t do something doesn’t mean a lot of other people don’t. So yeah it matters.
That's a recognition that a rocking mechanism like those offered on the embody are extremely desirable and once experienced, hard to live without. I use a gaming embody and would never consider a chair without a similar mechanism. I also never use headrest, anywhere, so I'm happy for a design that doesn't have one.
Shouldn't it then be S tier if it's only preference ?
why do you only sell refurbished chairs? I dont want the left overs of someone else!
Lol because they do. Buy elsewhere
Ordered a refurbed red leap from you guys last week. Only issue i have so far is it wont ship for still a another 9 days. Hope the leap doesnt let me down first time I'm buying a chair more than 50 bucks 🫡
How was it?
@@hasanrentiya252 i want to reply you with a more detailed answer in a few days lol. Because it might be causing me some new pain but i want to rule other things out.
@@hasanrentiya252 forgot to respond. But the chair feels great. The seat is soft and the back is responsive and the adjustment features are very helpful. Im not sure why but after two weeks on the chair my left leg started feeling really stiff and i had pretty mild-to very bad pain running from behind my legs all the way to back of my left upper thigh. And behind my knee got swollen. Got it checked xrays and blood scans and everything was clean no blood clots or anything doctors had no idea what was going on. Stating this now im not obese im 5'8 175 lbs and i do work from home and sit for long. I did try to actively move more per my doctors request even though by the time i bought the leap i was moving more than i already did before i bought the leap. After minimal results from moving more whenever i could i switched chairs with my gf (ticova chair) and that same day i saw a reduction of pain about 30% and after about 3 days my left leg felt 0 pain and the swelling was gone when before i was feeling pain for a whole week sitting in thr leap. I did take a ibuprofen twice but im positive it was the chair. I am using the leap again and so far do good. And lastly i do sit like a normal person. So at worst the chair was potentially causing blood clot like symptoms and at best it gave my left leg mild cramps. I love the chair all and all tho so im hoping i feel no pain again.
@@HollowfiedNarutosoo?
@@HollowfiedNarutohow’s the chair?