There's some of the First Doctor's ruthlessness. The other Doctors tries to save Borussa from his own stupidity while the First Doctor encouraged it. In his first regeneration, the Doctor wasn't a good man until Ian and Barbara softened him up and made him realise the value of compassion.
Everyone forgets (or hasn't seen) the First Doctor considering braining a caveman with a rock. I don't regard the First Doctor as a bad man per se, but he was pragmatic and wanted to protect his granddaughter, and the Ship, at all costs. He was very much on the run, always looking over his shoulder.
in the storyline this version of the first doctor is actually at least after susan was left. He partners with an adult susan and they comment on how her life's been so far. He may be softened up but he is still ruthless when he wants to be
As someone who's only really seen NuWho it actually makes me love the character way more to know that he didn't start out as compassionate. The appeal of the Doctor to me is that at the end of the day he's not THAT different from the rest of the Time Lords. He wasn't just magically the only Time Lord who gave a damn. He was just a bit more open minded than average. That led to compassion and a very powerful imagination that caused him to grow into the man we see him become. Knowing he earned his status as a hero is what helps suspend disbelief and respect him more. It's not quite the right quote because I'd hardly have ever called the Doctor evil, but one of the greatest lines ever written in any story is: "What is better, to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" Or: "What is better, to be born a hero or to learn how to become one through great effort?" And for these reasons I refuse to consider the Timeless Child storyline as canon. They ought to scrap that whole storyline. And before someone says it's too late, this is Doctor Who. This show reinvents itself all the time. Just have it so the Doctor was tricked and the Timeless Child was some sort of deception for a greater purpose. And make it so the Master faked the destruction of Gallifrey, and maybe even undo that Master's entire regeneration by revealing he wasn't even the Master. On multiple occasions we've seen characters in Doctor Who tricked into believing they're someone they're not. If they take their time with the script, they could fix everything. Plus, we never saw Twelve's perspective in Day of the Doctor. We just know he was there. That could be worked into a future episode if Twelve were to discover that Gallifrey needed to be saved again. Also for the record I'm not trying to just undo female Doctors. I think the idea of a female Doctor was actually really well set up by the mention of Time Lords occasionally switching gender during regeneration in Eleven's run and then the introduction of Missy in Twelve's run, as the gender swap was a key part of her deception so the Doctor didn't guess she was the Master too soon. All of that was setup that primes us to accept that this is possible. I don't think Jodie did well with the role (although she'd have at least done better with better scripts), but with better casting a female Doctor would have been genuinely amazing.
@@wafflingmean4477 Fortunately, the Timeless Child is the type of retcon that usually gets re-retconned into oblivion the moment a writer who doesn't like it gets put in charge.
That always bothered me. That he was portrayed as the wiser of the group when he's actually the youngest and least experienced of all the Doctors. It also bothered me that the 5th Doctor didn't have the memory of these events at least four other times (since his four past selves were there).
Chris Payne my theory is that in events like these the Doctor remembers his past the way it "was", and events like these rewrite his past. His memories might change as the adventure plays out.
If you read the extended universe of DW (mostly non-canon you can say) I want to think that the more regenerations, the more he gets further away from his original form, The Other... That can explain why the First Doctor is that respected by the other incarnations. It can solve this mess.
Chris Payne the First Doctor has not had the trauma of regeneration amnesia to alter his personality, plus as the First he has probably seen all of the others and taught them things at one point or another. It's an unofficial rule that when Doctors meet like this (except perhaps the First) the youngest is the one who remembers it. Also there is nothing to say that the First Dr isn't the most experienced; like with the 8th Doctor they tend to have many "off camera" adventures. Remember, he is the only numbered Dr to die of exhaustion and old age, the others all died without getting old.
Stefano Pavone It would be ill-advised, mainly for the problems it would cause to the time stream. Always in multi-Doctor stories, it was imperative that the situation be tied up as quickly as possible so things could be restored.
Children can see more clearly than adults and the First Doctor is, by Time Lord standards, a child. Despite having a grandchild, he's a whippersnapper compared to the others and therefore maintains a child's ability to see the obvious. The Second Doctor's basically the excitable teenage years and the Third is the beginning of adulthood.
He is the only Doctor not to have his memories scrambled with being regenerated as the others were. He is also the oldest - several thousand years old from what I remember from the first few episodes.
The other Doctors carried the knowledge of their predecessors forward, but the first Doctor was the only one who had lived all the stages of life, who had actually experienced firsthand childhood, growing old, watching friends die. That's a much fuller perspective than the others.
And now, thanks to Chris Bl**dy Chibnall, it turns out that the Doctor has always been immortal, as that one Gallifreyan discovered by killing him over and over again when he was a child.
@@tjbruiser9938 It always had a reason to continue and didn't need some hack writer's sickening idea of a child-murdering "scientist" and crapping all over William Hartnell.
This is how I prefer to remember Rassilon - stepping out of a Civil War reenactment with the cosmos' mightiest sideburns and pwning corrupt Time Lords.
Right, I just don't remember if the Brig actually said that to Rassilon. I haven't seen in it in a while, but I'm going to see the Fathom Events showing in August.
I remember watching this as a kid and being absolutely horrified. As an adult, I see the strings and wires a bit more, but the message is still fantastic: the Game of Rassilon is a trap for the ambitious.
The war doctor novels explains that Rassilon learned to cycle through regenerations. But the prisoners he experimented cycled through it constantly. Perpetual and eternal, and continous bodily regeneration never settling down. Faceless or half formed always changing, flowing from one to the next without stop or pause. They live frozen in place in time. Unable to escape. Only to fuel Rassilon. History made him a hero. He was not. Ruthless product of his time. Used others to fuel his rise to power. Too egocentric to trust Galifrey and The Universe to get along without him. Never mind the final ultimate weapon. The Armegedon Sapphire. The weapon to end the universe and just before it does to elevate the time lords up into the abstract planes like the Eternals. All to save their own skins from the Daleks. Not a nice man at all. The Doctors realizing this wisely just want away from him as fast as possible and to rescue their trapped self and their friends. That type of sociopathic monster lets you live because you amuse him or because doing an ocassional good act makes them feel virtuous. Don't press your luck or try their patience. Just as likely to kill out of spite alone.
Great lines, here. "You seek immortality? Be sure. Be very sure." And I love the fact that it's the 1st Doctor figures out how Rassilon tricks the seekers of immortality.
The lack of special effects shots in this has made it age very well. When the 5th Doctor breaks free of Borusa's control, there are no silly eyes changing colour etc. The mental effect is invisible and only conveyed by Davison's acting and the music/sound design. Lovely stuff.
It's quite interesting they decided to turn a character who was portrayed as mentor and friend of the Doctor in previous episodes into the main antagonist
They wanted to do it a second time actually. They were going to turn the monk time lord from the planet of spiders into a villian. In my opinion i'm glad they didnt.
Power corrupts. Which is why the Doctor refuses to hang around when they offer him the Presidency again. (He was democratically elected during the events of the Deadly Assassin but has never served a full term, holding the office three times during his Fourth, Fifth and Twelfth incarnations because circumstances demanded it and abdicating the position as soon as possible. In this story he holds the office precisely long enough to appoint Flavia to act in his place, and then runs like hell).
Jaque15 Well he was "immortal" because Jack's death was a fixed point in time, so he wouldn't be able to die until that one point. Like destiny or whatever.
We don't know that Jack is really immortal. When Bad Wolf Rose resurrected him, he became unable to stay dead, with normal Rose and Ten both calling him immortal, but maybe immortal was a bit of a stretch. Maybe Bad Wolf Rose just made him able to live incredibly long. Couple billion years (if Jack really is the Face of Boe). It's not actual immortallity but still.... 5 billion years is close enough to it, I'd reckon.
A story like this, but then with Matt, David, Paul & Sylvester would be cool! And having Freema, Catherine, Billie and John back as companions alongside Sophie Aldred and maybe Daphne Ashbrook! And with John Simm as the Master! I think that would be a cool special! I definitly hope it becomes something like that!
The First Doctor was the one who was closest to the Doctor's education and training. The others had much more experience, but were further removed from their point of origin. So it's natural that 1 would be the one who remembered his education best.
To each is his own but I loved all of them including the first ones back in the black and white era it doesn't matter they were all good in their own unique way
Richard Hurndall portrayed the First Doctor because William Hartnell had passed away. Big shoes to fill, but he certainly did a great job, especially in this scene here. I think he deserves to be called a "Doctor."
+Lewys Cousins Understandable; you don't want to be in Chicago on Independence Day either. But men wear leeks in Wales, I'm told, on that festive occasion. And there are other societies where vegetables are worn at times of celebration.
Probably one of the eeriest scenes from the show's history. Just that hypnotic ticking sound and that ominous variation of the theme tune... I get chills every time. Also I don't know why, but every time I rewatch 0:11 to 0:30 I always think 2 and 3 are holding hands... Don't judge me XD
When I saw this the first time round as a wee nipper, the scene with the assassin robot chopping up the cybermen was one of the scariest things I'd ever seen in Doctor Who
I do love the reverb they added to the Ghost of Rassilon, am pretty sure that wasn't there in the original broadcast, he just spoke normally, but this is good change. I always thought Borussa's Fate was really scary, to be stuck as a living statue/gargoyle on Rassilon's tomb Forever only able to move your eyes around to witness other winner's of Death zone seeking imortality, that was a pretty Metal fate for a Dr. Who villain :O I do love this story as well! :)
Rassilon turned the immortality seekers into possibility engines in the time war. They engines helped him see into the past and future in the time vortex to ensure victory.
At the time this was made, Tom Baker was working on another movie and yes, he declined but not because he had lost interest or "just didn't want to". SPOILER ALERT: I do like the ending of the "Day of the Doctor" however. Very well done.
Bmanrulesz there were rumours that his formidable ego prevented this from happening in reference to why Baker didn't appear he does howerver appear briefly in a children in need TV SPECIAL that probably had the most DR WHO alumni of any special yet as well as guest appearances by the cast of EASTENDERS!! anything can happen!! HAPPY HOLIDAYS !!
pvtrichter88 Dimensions in Time? I personally didn't care for that, the writing seemed pretty poor to me. It obviously isn't a matter of let's throw in everything but the kitchen sink, they have to fit into the story somehow, even if as only throways. They kind did that w/the dalek scene in this, as well as the yeti, let alone mike yates, liz shaw, jamie and zoe who were all phantoms of the mind through rassilon's will. But they fit organically into the story and, while it wasn't perfect, it made sense. I didn't find that w/DiT. But if it floats your boat, good on ya.
Newly revealed information suggests he didn't do it because he didn't care for JNT, disagreeing immensely with his creative direction and feeling "diminished" under him. This is his newly cited reason for leaving the show, and given the relatively close proximity to his leaving and the Five Doctors those feelings were still probably fresh to him.
I want to see a five or more ish doctors episode with Tom baker, Peter Davidson, Colin baker, Sylvester McCoy, Paul mcgann, eccleston, Tennant, smith and capaldi
I remember seeing this when it was first on TV. I was never that scared of the Daleks or Cybermen but this scene, on the other hand, frightened the wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff out of me.
In engines of war it says borusa becomes the possibility engine, I would like to think he would have the face of stone borusa glowing yellow with his other incarnations just flashing through it. That's my image of the possibility engine atleast
Wouldn't you? The whole scheme was clearly a trap to ensure Gallifrey was never ruled too long by a power-mad leader. It worked great until Rassilon himself was revived and put back in charge... and promptly went power-mad.
@@MaskedMan66 Who are these Gallifreyans lol? The only time I remember a Gallifreyan telling his opinion on Rassilon was in Hell Bent, when the General said: "He was a good man once".
@@lepimond4605 "These Gallifreyans" are the ones the Doctor was talking about in "The Five Doctors" when he told the Brigadier, "Some say his fellow Time Lords rebelled against his cruelty and locked him in the Tower in eternal sleep."
The concept of Rassillon's trap is terrifying if you think about it. Your consciousness trapped forever looking out from the side of the sarcophagus into that chamber, fully aware but unable to move or speak...
That was fun to see - I think I saw it when it first came out. Even with the simple effects and set, there is excellent script writing, fabulous acting and wonderful interaction - brilliant stuff.
There seems to be a big misconception among Doctor Who fans that the Fourth doctor left Sarah Jane Smith and then she was reunited with Ten in 'School Reunion'. Remember, she met Five here.
Yes, but out of the blue, Davies decided that companions should not remember when they have adventures with more than one of the Doctor's incarnations-- despite the fact that the Brigadier remembered the events of "The Three Doctors."
I love how the first Doctor basically acts like the father of them all and the most wise even though he is technically the youngest and should possess less knowledge than all of them.
He is only-- taking the Doctor's linear timeline as a whole into account-- chronologically the youngest. In terms of actual age and accumulated life experience, he is the oldest. He is some five centuries old, while the others never lasted more than a couple of hundred years.
+Tabby-in-the- TARDIS12 No; the First Doctor is at the end of his life, which lasted some 500 years or more. The Fifth Doctor is only a century or two old. And the Doctor has called his various selves all kinds of names.
*smh* Another one. Listen carefully: the First Doctor is a 500 year-old father and grandfather who has lived a full life. The Fifth Doctor is a relatively withdrawn young man who is only around a century old. They may be the same person, but the first is the original.
@MaskedMan66 I keep seeing your comment. When will you understand that you are wrong. They are all the same person. The 5th is the oldest at that point. The 13th is the oldest now
Of course, due to the Doctor being the Timeless Child he is immortal already. He has endless regenerations. Of course, that was a retcon of the character of Doctor Who because originally, he was only supposed to have 13 regenerations and that was it.
I like how the first doctor is the same trickster that he always was. He was well written. It is like the Doctor lost a certain deviousness when he gained a conscious working with humans. ;)
"The Four-and-a Half Doctors", using some Tom Baker clips from the aborted "Shada" to fill in, and Richard Hurndall to sub for the late William Hartnell as the first Doctor.
I just saw this series special recently and was very disappointed that Tom Baker only had a brief cameo appearance in it. He was by far the best Doctor.
Remember kids: When the Dungeon Master asks, "Are you SURE you want to do that?" It's time to re-think your choice.
Even moreso if he says, "Even now, it's not too late to turn back".
Yes, but also don't confuse a glowing d20 given by the doctor for cough medicine.
But when the DM smiles . . . it's already too late . . .
@@The_Gallowglass nice reference lol
In everthing
There's some of the First Doctor's ruthlessness. The other Doctors tries to save Borussa from his own stupidity while the First Doctor encouraged it. In his first regeneration, the Doctor wasn't a good man until Ian and Barbara softened him up and made him realise the value of compassion.
Everyone forgets (or hasn't seen) the First Doctor considering braining a caveman with a rock.
I don't regard the First Doctor as a bad man per se, but he was pragmatic and wanted to protect his granddaughter, and the Ship, at all costs. He was very much on the run, always looking over his shoulder.
in the storyline this version of the first doctor is actually at least after susan was left. He partners with an adult susan and they comment on how her life's been so far. He may be softened up but he is still ruthless when he wants to be
As someone who's only really seen NuWho it actually makes me love the character way more to know that he didn't start out as compassionate. The appeal of the Doctor to me is that at the end of the day he's not THAT different from the rest of the Time Lords. He wasn't just magically the only Time Lord who gave a damn. He was just a bit more open minded than average. That led to compassion and a very powerful imagination that caused him to grow into the man we see him become. Knowing he earned his status as a hero is what helps suspend disbelief and respect him more.
It's not quite the right quote because I'd hardly have ever called the Doctor evil, but one of the greatest lines ever written in any story is:
"What is better, to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
Or: "What is better, to be born a hero or to learn how to become one through great effort?"
And for these reasons I refuse to consider the Timeless Child storyline as canon. They ought to scrap that whole storyline. And before someone says it's too late, this is Doctor Who. This show reinvents itself all the time. Just have it so the Doctor was tricked and the Timeless Child was some sort of deception for a greater purpose. And make it so the Master faked the destruction of Gallifrey, and maybe even undo that Master's entire regeneration by revealing he wasn't even the Master. On multiple occasions we've seen characters in Doctor Who tricked into believing they're someone they're not. If they take their time with the script, they could fix everything. Plus, we never saw Twelve's perspective in Day of the Doctor. We just know he was there. That could be worked into a future episode if Twelve were to discover that Gallifrey needed to be saved again.
Also for the record I'm not trying to just undo female Doctors. I think the idea of a female Doctor was actually really well set up by the mention of Time Lords occasionally switching gender during regeneration in Eleven's run and then the introduction of Missy in Twelve's run, as the gender swap was a key part of her deception so the Doctor didn't guess she was the Master too soon. All of that was setup that primes us to accept that this is possible. I don't think Jodie did well with the role (although she'd have at least done better with better scripts), but with better casting a female Doctor would have been genuinely amazing.
@@chriscotgrove9674 12: You still call it a ship!!
@@wafflingmean4477 Fortunately, the Timeless Child is the type of retcon that usually gets re-retconned into oblivion the moment a writer who doesn't like it gets put in charge.
Funny how the 1st doctor calls the 5th doctor "my boy" when he's the oldest out of the 5 of them.
That always bothered me. That he was portrayed as the wiser of the group when he's actually the youngest and least experienced of all the Doctors. It also bothered me that the 5th Doctor didn't have the memory of these events at least four other times (since his four past selves were there).
Chris Payne my theory is that in events like these the Doctor remembers his past the way it "was", and events like these rewrite his past. His memories might change as the adventure plays out.
If you read the extended universe of DW (mostly non-canon you can say) I want to think that the more regenerations, the more he gets further away from his original form, The Other... That can explain why the First Doctor is that respected by the other incarnations. It can solve this mess.
Serge Kent
Never said it was a mess or that it bothered me. Just found it a little amusing. ^^
Chris Payne
the First Doctor has not had the trauma of regeneration amnesia to alter his personality, plus as the First he has probably seen all of the others and taught them things at one point or another. It's an unofficial rule that when Doctors meet like this (except perhaps the First) the youngest is the one who remembers it.
Also there is nothing to say that the First Dr isn't the most experienced; like with the 8th Doctor they tend to have many "off camera" adventures. Remember, he is the only numbered Dr to die of exhaustion and old age, the others all died without getting old.
We wanted to live forever. The Doctor made sure that we did.
What a terrible punishment!!! :(
Tell me about it.
Yes. We see where he picked it up
Who's "we?"
@@MaskedMan66 the family of blood. It's from the 10th doctor run
Rassilon: and what of you doctors? Do you seek immortality?
Doctors 1-5: NOPE.AVI
Kman314 4 wasn't there
"AVI?"
@@tenthdoctor1085 He didn't say that the Fourth Doctor was there.
Can't you count, there were four not five
@Gamerslayer11966 Can't you identify characters? Those are the First, Second, Third, and FIFTH Doctors.
I love it when rassilon asks them if they too seek immortality and they are all like NOOO!!! And the 2nd doctor hides behind Pertwee.
+Teaghan Treherne Troughton and Pertwee were a wonderful double act.
MaskedMan66 agreed on that -omg younger me-
Stefano Pavone It would be ill-advised, mainly for the problems it would cause to the time stream. Always in multi-Doctor stories, it was imperative that the situation be tied up as quickly as possible so things could be restored.
Stefano Pavone Well, I've lived there since 1978. ;-)
Good way to get rid of dangerously ambitious time lords. And they were immortal - forever. ^_^
I love how the first doctor is portrayed as the wisest Doctor, yet its so ironic because he is the youngest lol
Children can see more clearly than adults and the First Doctor is, by Time Lord standards, a child. Despite having a grandchild, he's a whippersnapper compared to the others and therefore maintains a child's ability to see the obvious. The Second Doctor's basically the excitable teenage years and the Third is the beginning of adulthood.
He is the only Doctor not to have his memories scrambled with being regenerated as the others were. He is also the oldest - several thousand years old from what I remember from the first few episodes.
The other Doctors carried the knowledge of their predecessors forward, but the first Doctor was the only one who had lived all the stages of life, who had actually experienced firsthand childhood, growing old, watching friends die. That's a much fuller perspective than the others.
Lol, the Doctor refused immortality so hard he had to go back four times to say enough nope.
And now, thanks to Chris Bl**dy Chibnall, it turns out that the Doctor has always been immortal, as that one Gallifreyan discovered by killing him over and over again when he was a child.
@@MaskedMan66 don’t believe that garbage writing
@@spadesofpaintstudios1719 I don't.
I like it, it gives the doctor who series reason to continue
@@tjbruiser9938 It always had a reason to continue and didn't need some hack writer's sickening idea of a child-murdering "scientist" and crapping all over William Hartnell.
This is how I prefer to remember Rassilon - stepping out of a Civil War reenactment with the cosmos' mightiest sideburns and pwning corrupt Time Lords.
With a lot less spit.
Not just stepping out a civil war reenactment, he's straight up pulling a Vigo from Ghostbusters 2 with the whole floating head thing
@@janoszlongstride5304 I think it's more of a computer simulation of sorts where Rassilon is able to project his subconsciousness through.
Rassilon: And what of you? Do you claim immortality, too?
Brigadier: That's kind of you, Rassilon... I think I'd rather have a pint.
That was seriously funny at the end
I haven't seen this in years-though I will be going to the special in August-did the Brigadier say that or no?
Jon Ericson it was aired in November of 1983
Right, I just don't remember if the Brig actually said that to Rassilon. I haven't seen in it in a while, but I'm going to see the Fathom Events showing in August.
RassilonTDavros Well, he is a cyberman, but still himself.
*_Rassilon:_* Do you claim immortality too?
*_MOST DOCTORS:_* Uh, no thanks.
*_TWO:_* _HIDES_
😂😂😂😂
I remember watching this as a kid and being absolutely horrified. As an adult, I see the strings and wires a bit more, but the message is still fantastic: the Game of Rassilon is a trap for the ambitious.
As an adult I find the concept horrifying.
The concept, the music, the visuals. It’s still terrifying
The war doctor novels explains that Rassilon learned to cycle through regenerations. But the prisoners he experimented cycled through it constantly. Perpetual and eternal, and continous bodily regeneration never settling down. Faceless or half formed always changing, flowing from one to the next without stop or pause. They live frozen in place in time. Unable to escape. Only to fuel Rassilon. History made him a hero. He was not. Ruthless product of his time. Used others to fuel his rise to power. Too egocentric to trust Galifrey and The Universe to get along without him.
Never mind the final ultimate weapon. The Armegedon Sapphire. The weapon to end the universe and just before it does to elevate the time lords up into the abstract planes like the Eternals. All to save their own skins from the Daleks. Not a nice man at all. The Doctors realizing this wisely just want away from him as fast as possible and to rescue their trapped self and their friends. That type of sociopathic monster lets you live because you amuse him or because doing an ocassional good act makes them feel virtuous. Don't press your luck or try their patience. Just as likely to kill out of spite alone.
Well ambition is one thing. Rassilon developed the game to trap anyone who wanted immortality and be a threat to him. The First Doctor says as much.
And 5 regeneration's later he's holding a gun to Rassilon
+Cassius Povey Actually 7 if you count the War Doctor and Tenth's second regeneration.
+liquidLaClasse And another two later he kicks Rassilon off a freaking planet.
And by "off a freaking planet," you meant HIS HOME PLANET.
Six, you mean.
Seven, to be more precisely.
Great lines, here.
"You seek immortality? Be sure. Be very sure."
And I love the fact that it's the 1st Doctor figures out how Rassilon tricks the seekers of immortality.
What's even funnier about this is that the Fifth Doctor should've caught on to Rassilon's trick too.
@@DoctorWhoKage I like to think is that the first Doctor being the youngest has the brightest way of thinking, as the more imaginative of them.
Or maybe it's because he's the nastiest of the incarnations present.
The first doctor is smartest
@@_aballa_ quite interesting, the mind of a child...
3:58 I love the Doctors reaction to the offer of immortality.
The 2nd doctor's reaction is the most funny
and what of you doctor do you claim immortality too. the look on their faces.
+HollowGaming Notice how Troughton placed Pertwee between himself and Rassilon!
+HollowGaming They're like "Nope, nope, nope, so much nope!"
+MaskedMan66 He would've preferred Jamie, but he knew Three would be an acceptable substitute given the circumstances.
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basically a "HELL NO!"
The lack of special effects shots in this has made it age very well. When the 5th Doctor breaks free of Borusa's control, there are no silly eyes changing colour etc. The mental effect is invisible and only conveyed by Davison's acting and the music/sound design. Lovely stuff.
Aka Low or no budget.
Aka Low or no budget.
It's sad to see that the real William hartnell didn't live to be in this episode
It is sad but however it is good to see that richard was able to play that role brilliantly
Yeah,
Team Heroes William was forced to retire then died in the 70's
I know it kinda Makes me sad
He was so frail that he couldn't even appear on set for filming of the Three Doctors.
One does not simply take the one ring of Rassilon.
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Yes, one does; Rassilon himself offered it freely.
@@MaskedMan66 Yes, knowing that it would return to his finger in a matter of seconds
@RedJLetsPlay Point being? People can still simply take it, regardless of what happens next.
Neither did Two, Three or Five.
It's quite interesting they decided to turn a character who was portrayed as mentor and friend of the Doctor in previous episodes into the main antagonist
They wanted to do it a second time actually. They were going to turn the monk time lord from the planet of spiders into a villian. In my opinion i'm glad they didnt.
@@Dumbird0 yeah too many corrupt Time Lords as is.
Power corrupts. Which is why the Doctor refuses to hang around when they offer him the Presidency again. (He was democratically elected during the events of the Deadly Assassin but has never served a full term, holding the office three times during his Fourth, Fifth and Twelfth incarnations because circumstances demanded it and abdicating the position as soon as possible. In this story he holds the office precisely long enough to appoint Flavia to act in his place, and then runs like hell).
War Doctor: Don't give in to the-
1, 2, 3, and 5: Screw off!
War Doctor: That's just cold.
What?
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The Day of the Doctor may have featured all the doctors, but it will never be as originally epic as this.
You said it. I prefer this over DOTD any day.
DOTD felt more like a typical story with other Doctors rather than a celebration of Dr Who in general.
James Holmes Same this episode was actually pretty great despite how old it is
I feel like day of the doctor should have had the eighth one just to see more of him because he's about as unknown as the War Doctor!
Josh if you really want to know the 8th doctor, just listen to his audio series
"Fight it, my boy, fight it!" The Fifth Doctor is older than the First, just in a younger body.
The First Doctor is an old man, nearly 500, while his fourth regeneration resulted in a callow young man.
Maybe the First Doctor just likes to call himself "My boy"
We are all the children of our past selves
older? what determines age? the number of years one has lived or the experiences within a life lived?
@KAO S In the Doctor's case, it seems to be determined by maturity, and none of the Doctor's future selves is as mature as he is.
I love how there's one convenient spot for him on the sarcophagus.
Lol, yea
Perhaps Rassilon prepared it for him in advance. ;)
Almost as if Rassilon knew this would happen...
IKR
And probably more around the back.
You know, I feel like Borusa would've much preferred Captain Jack's version of immortality...
I'm pretty sure he thought that was what he was getting
Well I know I'd prefer Captain Jack to Rassilon ;)
jacob burt Except for the part where he just dies for some reason as a giant head despite being immortal.
Jaque15 Well he was "immortal" because Jack's death was a fixed point in time, so he wouldn't be able to die until that one point. Like destiny or whatever.
We don't know that Jack is really immortal. When Bad Wolf Rose resurrected him, he became unable to stay dead, with normal Rose and Ten both calling him immortal, but maybe immortal was a bit of a stretch. Maybe Bad Wolf Rose just made him able to live incredibly long. Couple billion years (if Jack really is the Face of Boe). It's not actual immortallity but still.... 5 billion years is close enough to it, I'd reckon.
The second Doctor at the beginning technically talked about himself in the third person, or should I say FIFTH person?
First person: I, me. Second person: you Third person: he, she, it.
"To lose is to win, and he who wins shall lose". Well, I understand THAT now.
3:53
I love Patrick Troughton's solution:
Hide behind the 3rd.
Rasilon: And what about you, Doctors..... Do you claim immortality too?
Doctors: No, no, no!!
Lol ;D
A story like this, but then with Matt, David, Paul & Sylvester would be cool! And having Freema, Catherine, Billie and John back as companions alongside Sophie Aldred and maybe Daphne Ashbrook! And with John Simm as the Master! I think that would be a cool special! I definitly hope it becomes something like that!
Just realised: the first doctor recognised Rassilon's voice - but his later incarnation doesn't.
locarno24 well it was a longer time since he had last heard the voice, maybe he had forgotten
I constantly go to comment on RUclips videos to find that I've already done it, so it makes sense to me.
I constantly go to comment on RUclips videos to find that I've already done it, so it makes sense to me.
@@lapelcelery42 Was this another case of it?
The First Doctor was the one who was closest to the Doctor's education and training. The others had much more experience, but were further removed from their point of origin. So it's natural that 1 would be the one who remembered his education best.
When someone who has the prize you seek tells you it's not too late to reconsider, maybe you should consider reconsidering...
I love the third Doctor, he's my favorite.
To each is his own but I loved all of them including the first ones back in the black and white era it doesn't matter they were all good in their own unique way
Jon's era definitely has the most consistently good storylines and character relationships. He's my favourite too.
3 is why I love 12.
I love 2, 3 and 5 so this could well be my favourite story.
Richard Hurndall portrayed the First Doctor because William Hartnell had passed away. Big shoes to fill, but he certainly did a great job, especially in this scene here. I think he deserves to be called a "Doctor."
I always found it funny how the first doctor was the youngest and treated all the other doctors like children calling them my boy and stuff like that
Kids these days, thinkin' they know everything....
To be fair, not many men could pull off a decorative vegetable.
Did public or private school teach that?
@@ShamrockParticle 10th Doctor did ;)
You've obviously never been in Wales on Saint David's Day!
@@MaskedMan66 I actively avoid Cardiff on St Davids day otherwise I'll have Dragons and Daffodils engraved into my brain permanently all week 😂
+Lewys Cousins Understandable; you don't want to be in Chicago on Independence Day either. But men wear leeks in Wales, I'm told, on that festive occasion. And there are other societies where vegetables are worn at times of celebration.
Probably one of the eeriest scenes from the show's history. Just that hypnotic ticking sound and that ominous variation of the theme tune... I get chills every time.
Also I don't know why, but every time I rewatch 0:11 to 0:30 I always think 2 and 3 are holding hands... Don't judge me XD
You some kind of weirdo? They aren't.
+Doctor Who Why Where and When The Third Doctor can run faster than the Second, so naturally he pulled him along.
The eternally trapped faces is incredibly creepy.
When I saw this the first time round as a wee nipper, the scene with the assassin robot chopping up the cybermen was one of the scariest things I'd ever seen in Doctor Who
I do love the reverb they added to the Ghost of Rassilon, am pretty sure that wasn't there in the original broadcast, he just spoke normally, but this is good change.
I always thought Borussa's Fate was really scary, to be stuck as a living statue/gargoyle on Rassilon's tomb Forever only able to move your eyes around to witness other winner's of Death zone seeking imortality,
that was a pretty Metal fate for a Dr. Who villain :O
I do love this story as well! :)
That's what happens when you steal Chester A. Arthur's ring.
I was thinking Attila the Hun, but that works too.
I thought you just got Chester A Arthritis
Damn now I can't unsee that
I love how all the doctors just go OH NONO NONONONO OONONO at the very end.
The old saying comes to mind “Be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it”!
When memories of the past greatness of Dr. WHO are erased then the memory dies. We have nothing now, no character no writing
The past will always be there, no matter how much you try to forget.
"THIS is the GAME OF RASSILON." I would so totally watch that game show.
I think Borusa’s fate helps cement the saying “be careful what you wish for”
Rassilon turned the immortality seekers into possibility engines in the time war. They engines helped him see into the past and future in the time vortex to ensure victory.
That way of immortality is actually pretty horrifying
At the time this was made, Tom Baker was working on another movie and yes, he declined but not because he had lost interest or "just didn't want to". SPOILER ALERT:
I do like the ending of the "Day of the Doctor" however. Very well done.
He said he regrets declining it!
Bmanrulesz there were rumours that his formidable ego prevented this from happening in reference to why Baker didn't appear he does howerver appear briefly in a children in need TV SPECIAL that probably had the most DR WHO alumni of any special yet as well as guest appearances by the cast of EASTENDERS!! anything can happen!! HAPPY HOLIDAYS !!
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Dimensions in Time? I personally didn't care for that, the writing seemed pretty poor to me. It obviously isn't a matter of let's throw in everything but the kitchen sink, they have to fit into the story somehow, even if as only throways. They kind did that w/the dalek scene in this, as well as the yeti, let alone mike yates, liz shaw, jamie and zoe who were all phantoms of the mind through rassilon's will. But they fit organically into the story and, while it wasn't perfect, it made sense. I didn't find that w/DiT. But if it floats your boat, good on ya.
Not really a spoiler.
Newly revealed information suggests he didn't do it because he didn't care for JNT, disagreeing immensely with his creative direction and feeling "diminished" under him. This is his newly cited reason for leaving the show, and given the relatively close proximity to his leaving and the Five Doctors those feelings were still probably fresh to him.
Sad that the first doctor couldn't make it.
Not to mention the fourth.
Jamie Sleeman Tom Baker backed out from this one.
Aye. Needless to say, he regretted it. Plank.
Jamie Sleeman Ah well. Cest la vie.
He was there; he was just played by another actor.
I too would question the authenticity of a Ring of Immortality that is currently on a corpse.
I would love to see all the doctors in one episode one day, does´nt matter if one or 2 might be other actors, I would still want to see it
I want to see a five or more ish doctors episode with Tom baker, Peter Davidson, Colin baker, Sylvester McCoy, Paul mcgann, eccleston, Tennant, smith and capaldi
gamonstudios How would they explain the fact that they aged... quite a bit
DoctorXCraft Knowing Moffat, wibbly wobbly timey wimey. :D
DoctorXCraft Some time anomoly.
I think its best for Eccleston, Tennant, Smith, and Capaldi to have a multidoctor story with the 10th anniversary, and all.
I remember seeing this when it was first on TV. I was never that scared of the Daleks or Cybermen but this scene, on the other hand, frightened the wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff out of me.
Shouldv'e let the Master take the Ring... would have solved a lot of problems later on.
xD
The thing is, they didn't know what form the immortality would take.
If it weren't for the Master, we wouldn't have Clara. At any point in time.
@@chaosmiles07 How's that?
@@MaskedMan66 Who gave Clara the phone number that connected her with the (Eleventh) Doctor in the first place? "The woman at the shop."
The way the Doctors decline immortality still cracks me up
In engines of war it says borusa becomes the possibility engine, I would like to think he would have the face of stone borusa glowing yellow with his other incarnations just flashing through it. That's my image of the possibility engine atleast
"Fight it my boy!"
Said the youngest to the eldest.
Patrick Troughton at the end was hilarious "Oh that's very kind of you but no thank you" - LMAO!
I think Lord Rassilon was actually enjoying this :)
Wouldn't you? The whole scheme was clearly a trap to ensure Gallifrey was never ruled too long by a power-mad leader. It worked great until Rassilon himself was revived and put back in charge... and promptly went power-mad.
+hagamapama Some Gallifreyans say that he always was.
@@MaskedMan66 Who are these Gallifreyans lol? The only time I remember a Gallifreyan telling his opinion on Rassilon was in Hell Bent, when the General said: "He was a good man once".
@@lepimond4605 "These Gallifreyans" are the ones the Doctor was talking about in "The Five Doctors" when he told the Brigadier, "Some say his fellow Time Lords rebelled against his cruelty and locked him in the Tower in eternal sleep."
@@MaskedMan66 Oh. Thank you. Should rewatch the episode.
It's still just a rumour though.
The concept of Rassillon's trap is terrifying if you think about it. Your consciousness trapped forever looking out from the side of the sarcophagus into that chamber, fully aware but unable to move or speak...
That was fun to see - I think I saw it when it first came out. Even with the simple effects and set, there is excellent script writing, fabulous acting and wonderful interaction - brilliant stuff.
There seems to be a big misconception among Doctor Who fans that the Fourth doctor left Sarah Jane Smith and then she was reunited with Ten in 'School Reunion'. Remember, she met Five here.
Yes, but out of the blue, Davies decided that companions should not remember when they have adventures with more than one of the Doctor's incarnations-- despite the fact that the Brigadier remembered the events of "The Three Doctors."
I love how the first Doctor basically acts like the father of them all and the most wise even though he is technically the youngest and should possess less knowledge than all of them.
He is only-- taking the Doctor's linear timeline as a whole into account-- chronologically the youngest. In terms of actual age and accumulated life experience, he is the oldest. He is some five centuries old, while the others never lasted more than a couple of hundred years.
@@MaskedMan66 11 lived around 5-600 years aswell
@@jplegend98 That hadn't happened yet, and besides, he didn't mature, really, did he?
@@jplegend98yeah, he died from exhaustion just like the first doctor, but he spent most of his time at Christmas.
"He who wins shall lose,
And he who loses shall win."
I love Davison's posture. You don't see that too often anymore.
Love that last scene of the Doctors all declining Rassilon's offer.
This really shows how different the various generations of the Doctor are.
Big floating head: Do you claim immortality too?
Doctor: Naw, Ima head out.
I loved their reaction at the end.
Eventually, Borusa stopped thinking.
BUT IN 2017, the Twelfth Doctor to Borusa: I AM LORD PRESIDENT OF GALLIFREY-AND U ARE JUST A STATUE...
My boy? First of all, he's you, and second, he's technically older than you!!! Oy.
+Tabby-in-the- TARDIS12 No; the First Doctor is at the end of his life, which lasted some 500 years or more. The Fifth Doctor is only a century or two old. And the Doctor has called his various selves all kinds of names.
MaskedMan66 yeah but in overall age, the fifth doctor is the eldest doctor at that point. He's been hartnell, troughton, pertwee and baker already.
+Sam Johnstone Doesn't make any difference; compared to his first incarnation, the Doctor's fifth is but a callow youth.
MaskedMan66 That’s really not how it works.
+Daniel O'Neal Or... is it?
The 4 doctors reactions are funny at the end!!
XD
"Do you claim immortality too?"
NAH THAT'S ALL YOU FAM.
The doctor called himself my boy when that version of himself is older than him 😂.
*smh* Another one. Listen carefully: the First Doctor is a 500 year-old father and grandfather who has lived a full life. The Fifth Doctor is a relatively withdrawn young man who is only around a century old. They may be the same person, but the first is the original.
@MaskedMan66
I keep seeing your comment. When will you understand that you are wrong. They are all the same person. The 5th is the oldest at that point. The 13th is the oldest now
@@mrmaclovin255 doctor loses like 99% of his memories when he regenerates. so he is not so wrong
Yeah, 5 is the oldest, but he is also the youngest. The newest regeneration, born yesterday compared with the other 4 lol 😆
The first guy in the tomb really sold how it would be to recieve that punishment, absolutely horrifiying
I love the part where Rasilon asks if the Doctor(s) claim immortality....but I noticed they altered the voice....I wonder why.
The best of the multi-Doctor shows by a mile.
I swear, Fivey's wtf face makes me crack up every damn time.
"THIS IS THE GAME OF RASSILON!" Rassilon calls it a "game." That's a red flag right there.
I really love how Richard Dunhall portrayed the First. It's a shame William Hartnell died long before this was aired D:
Still the best Multi Doctor Story in my opinion
Just sad that tie had passed and that William Hartnell had passed away by them but his replacment (Richard Hurndell) did a great job.
3:56. I love how 2nd Doctor hides behind the 3rd Doctor ha! Ha! So cute.
Doctor Who has changed so much
I feel that this is how Weeping Angels are made.
Nope.
If the Master had put on Rassilon's ring before Borusa did, the Doctor's arch foe would no longer be causing trouble across the Universe.
This version they did something to Rassilon's voice - much deeper and echo-ey. Of course, I wouldn't know anything about that...
I've not seen it, but apparently, they "fixed" the Time Scoops, as well.
Of course, due to the Doctor being the Timeless Child he is immortal already.
He has endless regenerations.
Of course, that was a retcon of the character of Doctor Who because originally, he was only supposed to have 13 regenerations and that was it.
I like how the first doctor is the same trickster that he always was. He was well written. It is like the Doctor lost a certain deviousness when he gained a conscious working with humans. ;)
And to think that it takes Peter Capaldi's 12th Doctor to eventually stand up against Rassilon...and win!
That's because "Rassilon" is drastically reduced in power.
"The Four-and-a Half Doctors", using some Tom Baker clips from the aborted "Shada" to fill in, and Richard Hurndall to sub for the late William Hartnell as the first Doctor.
I have this on DVD and the novel. It was first broadcast as a feature length story and then as a 4 part story.
I just saw this series special recently and was very disappointed that Tom Baker only had a brief cameo appearance in it. He was by far the best Doctor.
I do feel like Tom Baker should of been of been in the end in this scene. Like they freed the 4th doctor and Romana and they both help at the end.
Yes! I want 4,5,10,and 11 would all be there! It would be the ultimate special!
throw in 12 and you have a special! Bu to see the great one again yes yes yes yes!!!!!
Time lords live for centuries yet Borusa sought immortality. There is an old expression warning against greed: Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered.
Rassilon:and do you Doctors..........do you want immortality to?
Doctors:No,no,no,no,no!
It makes me so happy seeing everyone have a favourite doctor for their own reasons x
the doctors like no I'm Good I'm good
"To lose is to win; And he who wins shall lose...."
Watching through these reminds me just how much I miss Pat Troughton. THE Doctor I my opinion.
Love how they just have an old man staring contest for a bit