Racism in Metal | Vol. 1
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Exploring some of the more notable (and notorious) acts within Rock/Metal in regards to their formation, their journeys, and making fun of them along the way (because they're racist).
Help me out here if you wish:
patreon.com/user?u=185680
Just to let you guys know, being a pagan isn't a bad thing, and not all of us Nordic Pagans are racist or evil. We get a bad rap because of Stephen McNallen and those black metal bands, and people like them, and the Odinists. This is, of course, coming from someone who also likes Black Metal. But, being a Nordic Pagan doesn't make you racist or evil any more than being a Christian makes you part of the KKK.
You properly don't even have a majority of Nordic ancestry btw
It sucks, because I tend to find open discussion of religion, philosophy and spirituality very interesting. My guard goes up when I people carrying pagan symobolism until I suss out what their views are. I belong to one of the out groups that such hategroups tend to target, so there is a risk there.
@@Syurtpiutha Yup.
@@Syurtpiutha larp lol
@@Syurtpiutha Just try to keep in mind that paganism(s) and it's symbols were more or less apropriated by various extreme nationalist and/or racist movements, most notably a certain austrian corporal and his buddies. Those racist pagans are just one of many branches within paganism and most of us want nothing to do with them. I understand if it's easier said than done to think of that when you're in one of the groups they target though.
I remember reading an arghoslent interview in which a member said in response to allegations of “racism” something to the affect of: “yes our lyrics deal with tragic and negative themes, death metal is negative”
I found this pretty insightful, very strange to me how desecrating christianity, describing all sorts of horrific mutilations of innocence and hateful violent sentiments are totally acceptable within the genre, but god forbid you touch anything racial? not even to mention that their lyrics are more historical portraits than they are political statements
That's why Arghoslent is my favorite band.
He's got a point.. but, it's a bit different to describe horror, than live it.. just like with Varg, life doesn't need to imitate life.. if you need that to tell yourself you're not a poser, you're just a cringey cvnt..
This point holds even more true with Grand Belial's Key tbh
Or even further: how Svolder, for example, is blacklisted because they 💩 all over Islam.
If it's the same interview, I'm pretty sure they start talking about black peoples' skull shapes later in the interview lol
The funny thing is there’s metal bands (or any other genre of music) that don’t have any obvious anti Semitic or racist lyrics/themes and they personally feel that way but you’d never know because we just assume they’re good people if their music doesn’t have that direct message.
The fact is your favorite band probably has members you’d never agree with on a political scale and sometimes it’s best to separate that entirely and just enjoy the music.
But in that same breathe there have been bands I’ve stopped listening to because it felt weird listening to, such as As I Lay Dying because the singer hired a guy to kill his wife, went through with his jail sentence and is back with the band making music.
Curious because you mentioned Revenge, is it conclusive that they’re a NS band? From what I could gather they could just be edge lords but any info I have on them is from opinions on Reddit.
I feel like if they’ve been a band for 20 years and are on Season of Mist records then something would have come out by now and I don’t see them in any NSBM lists online.
@@ONOBITCH What did Buzz Osbourne say?
@@ONOBITCH source on revenge being nsbm? not trying to play devils advocate or anything, just curious bc a while back i saw someone make the same claim and couldn't rlly find anything other than a couple people on reddit saying "yeah can confirm"
For me, it comes down to whether I can think about the music without thinking of tragic things. I’m lucky enough not to have grown up with bands like As I Lay Dying or Lostprophets, so I won’t start listening now. I stayed away from Falling In Reverse because I’d heard bad things about Ronnie Radke, but I gave them a chance after seeing Finn Mckenty’s more flattering, though honest, video about him. Now I can listen to his stuff guilt-free. Granted, I might stop if he turned out to be a white supremacist. That’s almost as morally repugnant as murder or child molestation, and you can bet that he’d include that sort of thing in his lyrics given how revealing his current ones are.
The most I could find is that they once sold a shirt that looked like something you’d see a neo nazi wear (a wolf head and lighting bolt that looked like something the SS wore)
That might have been at a time where one of the members who was later no longer part of the band designed that shirt and haven’t made anything like that.
Though honestly the closest I could see people raising eyebrows is from their album art of the skull on Stike.Smother.Dehumanize because the skull is positioned similar to how the skulls on SS officers had it on their uniform.
But if we’re going to analyze skulls on album art on so many bands it would be silly to suggest they’re all NS.
"i know Screwdriver isn't metal band, but I include it in my "racist in metal" video to validate my point"
Are you fucking serious...
Hey it’s spelt “Screwdrivur” - show some respect to those hilariously dead as hell inbred racists! All Skrewed Up is fine tho, but only buy bootlegs.
Metal Fans:
"KILL 'EM ALL"- HELL YEAH 🤟
"KILL JUST THESE PEOPLE"- Whoa, now you've gone too far!
I mean... It makes sense. Pretty sure one is based on fantasy, like a horror movie. while the other is based on real struggles within our world that people are actually killed for. Simplify issues all you want but when you are it real hates cross hairs, the way you see this shit changes.
@@vkermodekumav8949 One is based on fantasy? Does murder not actually happen?
@@WILD__THINGS boy, I truly hope you don't ask yourself stupid questions. You know damn well what I meant. I'm sure you are not as dumb as your reply was. But if I have to spell it out for you fine. But I know you are not asking something so damn idiotic and expecting me to be serious about it.
@@WILD__THINGS I think what they're getting at is that the lyrics to say any Cannibal Corpse song is pure horror entertainment, they don't actually want that stuff to happen whereas bands that are more ideologically driven bands might actually be serious in their message and intensions.
@@SDMF20 So if a band says their racist lyrics are just fantasy does that make it ok? I'm a metal fan myself, I'm just pointing out that all kinds of extreme violence have occurred and continue to occur and metal fans have no issue with lyrics that celebrate that violence yet for some reason when it's narrowed down to a particular group it suddenly becomes offensive.
Dude you're talking about music that glamorizes death, gore, murder, suicide, genocide, etc. and I bet you love most of those lyrics,
but you're gonna get your panties in a bunch because some of those lyrics have "not nice" political views about certain people?
99 percent of metal lyrics are nonsense, I hate almost all metal lyrics. True equality
EXACTLY
@@stoneflower5126maybe you should try gay music instead?
@@DequaviusNegbertVIIHe is wearing the right color of shirt for that.
As a black person who enjoys metal, I’m glad people are talking about this. This is a very well done video
Appreciate it!!
@SKARGUT as you can probably imagine, I’m not a fan
from what I've seen as a metal fan since the early 90's a large amount of people who gravitate towards metal are atheists. While its not like that demographic is immune to having bigoted thoughts, its worth noting that a founding point one must confess adherence to in order to become a member of most white supremecist organizations is to claim to be a white protestant. Its from the bible where they get their hate, and a large amount of the metal community do not subscribe to that shit. Certain bands give a metal version of what is basically country music to inner city wannabees instead of inbred hicks with MAGA stickers. Join my white ass at a concert and have fun my friend. You'll be in much safer company than at a country festival for sure.
Metal and punk are not white music. The original metal and punk bands were almost all black men. My favorite hardcore punk band is the Bad Brains. Musical colonialism is a real thing. White people took credit for music that they did not make.
💯
What a hilarious video. Hail GBK!
Based comment
Man their riffs are the best
Agreed. Gelal is a goddamn musical genius.
Love GBK and Argh
If a band is racist I give them extra points even if the music sucks. But when their music is great it’s MANDATORY
Hell yes lads 🤘🏻🤘🏻
some really weird takes in the comments here. you've attracted a rather... diverse crowd.
It was inevitable given the subject matter, let's be honest
This is why I don't listen to New Metal most of it is just noise. Yeah and I don't like nazis either.
Ignore bad music.
@@ibeanjerkinov5325 arghoslent and screw driver are old lol
I regard neonazi, racist ideologies to be abhorrent. Nevertheless, it strikes me as strange to criticize bands which support such ideologies when the whole genre, black metal, is all about violent, misogynistic, and overtly evil content. Are these bands to avoid a couple, specific demographic groups in who they try to offend? That seems somewhat arbitrary and unrealistic to me.
It's moreso the fact that the members actually agree with the abhorrent things they say
to this day I haven't seen a good argument as to why artists are allowed to make anti-christian music, but then judaism and islam is held sacred, and you are put over the coals if you have any anti jewish or islamic themes in lyrics. There is much to criticize in those religions, and a band like GBK does that well.
If you need arguments for why antisemitism is not a nice touch -> read a f*king history book.
you spent 28 min just to tell us all that you're a homosexual
how dare you assume his/her/it's gender?? You nasty person lol
QUEEN
@amberballew7414 - it was quite obvious, so he wasted 28 minutes.
Minor critique- Skrewdriver was a punk band that turned Oi, not Hardcore which is more of an American phenomenon.
always felt so disorienting hearing about the racist association w metal being born in san jose california. you can hop in a pit and theres like 30+ genetic lineages hitting you in the face, and none of them wanna talk about their grandparents like that
You live in a place where it’s only not ok to be pure Caucasian with no other ethnic background. Being 100% Hispanic or 100% African wouldn’t be considered bad or a negative.
That’s why it’s a dumb ass fools paradise and that’s why racism exists in white majority music
Critical theory and Hegelian dialectic only works if you suspend objectivity and logic and just look for a boogieman “oppressor” to constantly shit-talk. Like white ppl. Nothing good comes from the type of woke that Cultural Marxists have fomented in America. It’s only meant to tear down and destroy.
Racism/white supremacy is an answer to this kind of society we have been brought up in. It wouldn’t be nearly as much of a problem if critical theory didn’t exist. And there weren’t active saboteurs trying to destroy America from within through bad faith discourse.
Hasn't immigration changed the demographics of that area throughout the years?
Yeah, because California had no racist white people 10-20-30 years ago
Like the band - listen to the music, don't like the band - don't listen to the music.
That's true, but that would be a very short video
Yeah but then we have to deal with all the assholes around me that do listen to that shit and play it loud
It's almost like people have to figure out if they like something, from listening to it. Mindblowing concept, I know.
If I find out a band supports Nazi ideologies, I no longer like the band. Simple as that.
@@dillonpalmer4228 damn right here with you. Anti klan
“I do get satisfaction from dopes listening to our music and being appalled by its meaning at the same time. These gays want to jump in the pool and not get wet” - Gelal
Sick bars Gelal
@@stoneflower5126 Not as sick as his soccer jerseys
for your next video can you please do how Rock artists inspire and influence by Bob Marley.
Talks about far right, references Jordan Peterson Sargon etc
Riiiiiight ok they aren’t far right at all 😂
the left call everything that they don't agree with far right, nothing new there from the leftwaffe. Left wing? Right wing? Feck 'em all!!!!!
Not supporting racism but this is some petty nanny bullshit. Scrubbing the depths of obscure black metal bands to read all of their statements, names and interviews.
Well, sometimes the worst people are the greatest artists.
That's the truly interesting part, despite the awful beliefs.
Recently I've realized that music serves only as a medium for the ideologies, not for its musical nuances and technicalities.
The bands exist to spread their way of thinking and, ironically, the intrumental showing-off, riffs, melodies, the way the vocalist sings/growls are only a nice addition; but the message is still most important.
@braingazer... I mostly listen to death and black metal where often you cannot understand what one grunts/screetches
Yes look at all the homosexs in the scene today who still make good musics
@@demoskoval that's why i prefer instrumental acts.
I support any kind of lyrics.
We have our choice.
Gelal (Alexander Halac) is actually a hispanic of partial jewish descent, ironically. His parents are from Argentina.
If that's true, that's even funnier
@@stoneflower5126 He was doxxed not to long ago and most of the info can be retrieved if you search his name on google. Ironically, his family members seem to be all left-leaning.
What is funny tho is that he has ties to actual NS-related bands like Absurd
Hispanic he is, but where did you get the jewish descent part from?
@@authenticdarkness4933 Research the etymology of his surname. It's a location mentioned in the bible which is now located in Palestine.
"ha'-lak (ha-har he-chalaq): A mountain that marked the southern limit of the conquests of Joshua (Joshua 11:17; Joshua 12:7). It is spoken of as the "mount Halak (literally, "the bare" or "smooth mountain") that goeth up to Seir." The latter passage locates it on the West of the Arabah."
@@Koraxus that explains why everything he wrote is so damn accurate.
Comparing Skrewdriver to Ben Shapiro is laughable. You know Ben Shapiro is Jewish, right?
Ya thats point I quit watching, its just stupid.
Look up Lehi
Dude oooooooofff
So what, he may be jewish, but he also sure as hell share beliefs that are typical of nazis.
It’s interesting that people don’t hold all genres to the same standard of criticism. The lyrical content of rap music is far more inflammatory and much more publicly consumed, and yet it’s acceptable to have songs about rape, murder, drugs, gangs, racism , pimping,etc.I would even say that it’s more than socially acceptable. It seems like it’s pushed on the public.
Watched this out of curiosity, knowing full well I wouldn't agree with any of it. Some of it, I'll admit was alright but after the first 12 minutes it came across as insufferable preaching and being completely out of touch with not only with BM, but also the far-right in general.
Some of the points about the far right are outdate a little as they were written over a year ago but I appreciate you making the effort ❤️
@@stoneflower5126 An honest & genuine critique would be to keep your information on the far & radical right to be updated, if you were wanting to change opinions on those on the far-right you have to realise that alot of the mainstream media coverage on these groups are not accurate and misrepresent peoples arguments. For example; an easy picking but Ben Shapiro is hated by the far-right as he is by those on the left-side of the spectrum. Much like the diverse ideology spectrum of the left & far-left this is true for the right also. Sometimes this means having to participate in spaces or be in spaces you find ideologically reprehensible.
Putting that aside; reiterating what I said in a previous comment. I think this was a well-produced video with some well-researched information. But I found it hard to watch with the kind of 'preachy' moments on here, same with the outdated information on the political right. You have some potential to make some good videos, even if I don't agree with your worldview (or takes on Black metal)
Digging way back into the past in the attempt to make some sort of point? Not sure. The video devolved into ....and then they said this.....and then they said this....
We get, National Socialism should not have anything to with race, ethnicity, or matters of faith. Unfortunately rabid right wingers tend to take over the narrative.
Do a little research and it is not hard at all to understand the foundations of Oi.
We had Ronnie Raygun, and y'all had Maggie Iron Britches. The conservative leadership of both countries were practicing questionable tactics to destroy the rights of workers.
The music is the response. Whether you like it or not, whether what they have to say is valid socially..... None of it was created in a vacuum.
These musicians have been taught their beliefs by conservative owned media.
Look at who actually owns the news outlets. Hate was taught then, it is taught now.
How dare you say that. 2:30 He clearly state that he is "politicaly developped". That's a genuine proof that we're in presence of a clever and wise lad. He also "fucking hate nazis" wich further display his depth and understanding of social matters
Far right = fascist
Yeah, it’s sadly a very common thing to come to terms with when it comes to listening to black metal and earlier punk bands. I loved Burzum and got very excited when I found out Varg had a RUclips channel…….yeah, you can see where this ended up. Though to be fair his channel was comedy gold
I love Varg's music, but I do not like Varg as a human being. Burzum is fun as hell to play on guitar
I have an idea don't listen to em
@@maleexile9053 the most intelligent man of all time. Never would've thought of that
@maleexile9053 never heard em myself. Sounds great though. You pu×si=s.
That karate was worth letting him out of prison alone.. that's what happens when you're a try-hard, cringey, cvnt
Funny how you didn't include any black conservatives in your little montage of "far-right, look-at-me, reactionary provocateurs, sh*tting out the discourse". Thomas Sowell, Brandon Tatum, Anthony Brian Logan, Greg Foreman, Larry Elder, and many more share the same views as the ones you showed. Also, none of those "far right" individuals you pictured have anything to do with white supremacy or racist metal bands in the first place, so I don't know why they were included in your video, unless you just want people to visually associate them with that type of evil, which is a pretty pathetic attempt at brainwashing lmao.
Well done, good editing and good pacing. Please dont apologise for making a section "too long" - I hate it when youtubers treat me like a stupid child, that can't sit still for 3 minutes. Skin deep superficiality offends me more than one or the other unavoidable redundancy - you can't possibly guess correctly what every one of your viewers knows or does not know.
Looking forward to Vol. 2
It's never wrong to enjoy problematic media, I like my share. But it's always important to make it known to others that it is problematic so they can make their own decisions. Also be careful of handwaving issues people do have. "Oh yeah, I can understand the issue with that and why it bothers you" is always better than "who cares its music/etcetc"
Let it be known that Picasso was a piece of shit towards women and Dali had some good things to say about fascism
People who say “problematic” all the time are problematic.
@@egilskallagrimsson2941 Good thing I only use it when it counts, like infant raping band members, murderers, 100% outright racists, etc.
As a person I steer clear of arguing fanatically from one side on the internet, it's exhausting. Understanding between two individuals and not constant insults.
But that's different from what art I consume. The art I am interested in doesn't define me as a person, and I hate scenes, especially of people who literally just listen to one type of music. I listen to a lot of electronic music (idm, raggacore, industrial, etc), various pop styles I enjoyed, R&B from a certain era, rock styles like mathrock, and various metal and crossover genres like grindcore, tech and prog death metal, black metal, esp classic depressive suicidal black metal, etc. So I get to peek into all kinds of scenes, and laugh at the people sniffing their own farts.
Anyone that uses the term "problematic" should automatically be disregarded.
@@J0SHUAKANE if it helps you keep a narrow worldview, do what you want. sometimes, ignorance is a choice.
Why do I get the feeling the creator of this video has three jabs and a funko-pop collection?
Just the three jabs thanks 👍
He probably watches BBC cuck porn as well, and is on anti depressants.
@@AlienRope LOL
We need more racism in metal🤣
Underrated comment
Damn right!
Why is racism bad? By what standard?
Because it's not abrahamic enough
Lets be real here: Nazipunk and Nazi metal were ALWAYS reliant on the underground market to survive. No serious movers in the industry would go anywhere NEAR that shit.
Very true.
The people that make the socalled Nazi music, make music so damn good because they have no limitations. True freedom. The music 90 percent of the time sounds incredible amazing and too good for them to be underground but theyre ideology holds them back and people like "Nazi" music so much that they're upset they cant properly support them without contradicting the hippie commie ideology. NSBM is true Black Metal.
The third position was always the real counter culture
So? Did the bad sound hurt you? Point on the dolly where the sounds hurt you.
There are plenty of great bands that aren't putting out racist/misogynistic/homophobic crap that I can find plenty of stuff to listen and never feel like I'm missing out on anything. 🤘🖤
Like what Sankara
@@maleexile9053 a lot of sludge bands like, Nausea.
@@maleexile9053 And, Kreator atleast wants everyone to die.
I meant black metal
@@maleexile9053 Early, Kreator is atleast adjacent too early black metal and there's a whole subgenre called "hipster black metal" which are often just better music musicians, politics aside.
The sad fact is that the "racist" bands are some of the only ones pushing certain genres forward with better composition and going against the typical genre molds (Peste Noire within black metal for instance).
Not to mention the only racism most people seem to give a shit about are white supremacy or antisemitism while anti-white and blasphemy toward christians is 100% ok. Not to be taken as advocacy for the former of course, but the double standard exists and for people who scream for equity and equality it's a tad fascistic to me to rail against racism when you're essentially fine with it in some other form.
Good video and you've earned my subscription for sure. Looking forward to more. Now to go jam to some Arghoslent and worship the riffs.
I actually totally agree with the hypocrisy part in some respects, it's actually something I wanted to cover in a future video, cheers!!!
I will never understand the appeal of French hicks playing (bad) polka music tbh
Great take.
@@stoneflower5126 please do, as a christian ( unironically) id love to see a video on that.
Peste Noire pushing black metal forward? What a joke 🤣
I know, I know, too many comments...but Howard Dean's description of being simultaneously repulsed and mesmerized is what makes racist art so dangerous. It's propaganda, by definition, but it works on people outside of its propagandistic qualities. So even those who may be disgusted by the sentiments expressed, may be pulled into it. And the more they listen to it, over and over, the more numb they may become to those expressions which once made them ill. It's deliberate normalization of bigotry.
"Problematic"
Communism is problematic collectivist, too
I assume you despise RATM, too
Pretty problematic
I can hear the soy gurgling out of his pores
hahahaahaha
Nice video. Thanks for all the bands, bro!
P.s add Brujeria on next video
Why don't we talk about racism in rap? Never see that brought up as a topic for discussion! RGB from the (dead presidents) album would have to be the most (anti white) rap album I ever heard but I guess it is ok so long as the people criticized or outright (dehumanized) are white!
When has anybody ever said that bro.
@@GlumpusMumpus Never! That's the point!
@@MrBlack-wt5er No, I mean you're making a strawman argument rn.
@@GlumpusMumpus my point was (who cares)! Is it a crime? It isn't, but lately I only see outrage if there's racism towards blacks and not the other way around and in my first comment a gave an example! I will not hold my breath for any content creator to mention it nor for whites to express any sort of public outrage because of it!
@@MrBlack-wt5er I partially agree with you, although I don't like racism of any kind, it isn't a crime and I don't really care if a band puts that stuff in its lyrics since everybody has the right to free speech.
Being a black guy (who's also a Black Metal guitarist and a Satanist), I never understood the political side of Black Metal as well as the willingness to bend the knee to an autocratic leader(seems more Christian) while using satanic imagery (which is in opposition to blind obedience).
Then again it takes critical thinking skills to identify contradictions and fear based beliefs systems. Which is why I'm not Christian or racially prejudiced against non blacks.
I've listened to NSBM as I tend analyze the psychological disposition if individuals. Most of these guys appropriate Nordic culture and religion which his nothing to do with their xenophobic ideology. Such people are why my family and I keep and train with firearms.
Someone gets it honestly for me at least I actually think non whites are more based then whites
Black metal is the music of transgressions and edginess. Racism is a transgression
@@ElectronicYouth yes and no
@@maleexile9053 what is wrong with what I wrote?
@@ElectronicYouth not all black metal bands are racist
I completely accept and even promote ethnic romanticism in metal. But I think it should be separated from racism. I like the Nordic ethnicity of bands like Bathory, Tyr and even Opeth with their Jan Johansson like Swedish folkjazz sense of melody and melancholy. It gave me a sense of identity contrary to globalism growing up. I appreciate the Irish identity of Primordial but I also appreciate the African americanism of Living Colour and the Armenianism of System of a Down. And the Mesopotamianism of Melechesh. All those bands are made better and not worse because of their ethnic elements.
Based as fuck
The cognitive dissonance is real but just because you listen to sketchy/racist bands doesn’t necessarily mean that you support/listen to them for their racist beliefs, I mean I listen to most of the bands you listed here even Goatmoon, an openly national socialist band but still I just chalk it up purely to entertainment value; I am half Native American yet I am not admitting to self-loathing of my race just because I listen to Arghoslent who have a song called Banners Of Castile that is about how the colonists treated my people however I still think that if you’re not buying into their ideology and just like the musicianship then you’re fine.
Goatmoon is absolute poser garbage, lol
@@paravan2000 what bands should I listen to
@@maleexile9053 There are sooo many good and diverse black metal bands from Finland: Beherit, Impaled Nazarene, Archgoat, Barathrum, Unholy, And Oceans, Behexen, Horna, Ajattara, Warloghe, Urn, Ride For Revenge, Hail Conjurer, Verge, Funerary Bell, Cosmic Church... and loads of others who deserve a listen instead of that attention whore.
@@maleexile9053 that’s entirely up to you, nokturnal mortum is excellent and so is graveland, graveland is especially good with their Viking/Pagan theme and atmosphere.
Kanye gonna go metal soon.
My rule of thumb with NSBM and such was to not financially support bands in any way or promote them in any way such as mentioning them by name to friends, etc. I don't buy their merchandise, music or anything and if I listen to such bands, which I do, then I pirate their music
But they need to eat too
@@richardjames1751 let em starve
@@coltonhamilton3116 so people deserve to starve to death for disagreeing with you politically? Seems legit.
@@aaronstephen6952 if they condone genocide then ya. Honestly starving is getting off easy
@@coltonhamilton3116 who condones genocide? I've been a white nationalist for 20 years and never advocated such, and I've never met anyone else in my circles who did either. Skrewdriver never called for genocide, it's a classic strawman tactic you're using.
Can we not call them skinheads but boneheads? I dont want people to mistake S.H.A.R.P skinheads with boneheads
I know what you mean, my mum back in England used to be part of the mods and rockers scene back in the 60s and a lot of the look they had was appropriated by actual skinheads, really sad
I heard about the S.H.A.R.P.s before. Interesting tidbit of history there.
S.H.A.R.P are the lowest form of human being
@@stoneflower5126 seems that's how these racists get into the music scene. They take the aesthetic of punk and black metal and death metal(aggressive and extreme genres) & put their racist ideology alongside it
@@stoneflower5126real skins still use to beat up mods.
Cool, now tackle the hateful views and attitude of metal bands towards Christianity.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I feel it's important to note that in the early 2000's, a lot of people had very different views on NSBM. At the time, a lot of people were still disgusted by the beliefs, but would still buy records because... Well, financially supporting a Nazi nerd in 2002 didn't seem like it was hurting anything. You're buying a record from an idiot who made good music but the shit the dude was preaching? It didn't matter... Fascism was dead.
Even among some full out leftists I knew in the scene didn't seem to care; capitalism and war-profiteering were bigger treats, greater evils that needed to fought. Punch a nazi at a show, if he's being an abusive dick, but it really didn't matter. There's no way fascism could ever come back... And it did.
Fascism is based in acknowledgement of natural law, and in the end nature always wins.
because opposing your own demographic replacement by international bankers is """"fascism"""""
Thank odin it did. Rap has been black nationalist for decades and everyone is fine with it. Now we finally have our own platform.
@@aaronstephen6952 Only a small portion of rap is black nationalist and most of it mid. And black nationalist rap is often called out of being antisemitic.
@@aa-qx1cg "International bankers." My dude, you're making my dog's ears bleed. Don't be a coward and say what you mean.
Seems to me the 3rd guy is just moving away from imagery and towards a mainstream appeal so that increased income can be directed towards political action.
He quite clearly said that he's just developed and has become wiser. He didn't mention ideological change, he essentially stated that he's just grown.
Maybe, but his broken English is difficult to parse sometimes, to my mind it sounded like he didn't want his mind to "grow stale and ossify" which means that he's moved on from "immature" beliefs
Just stop listening to the music if it bothers you so much. Go listen to nu metal lmaoo
I can't do both?
@@stoneflower5126 no you can't
I’ve thought a lot about how with most other genres, my first instinct isn’t to do this, but for metal and folk music I almost always end up looking up the band to check out their stances on things right away.
Why do that to yourself?
I would like to know what you think about Peste Noire, if you’re familiar with them. Famine has some very eccentric views and I think it would be interesting for others to see how his philosophy influences his music.
Put it this way: I wanted to do a video involving them ever since seeing the album cover for their "Split" album.
@@stoneflower5126 Oof, yeah... that cover. 😬 Also, the skull-with-eyepatch hate symbol on the La sanie... cover, too.
"Eccentric " is being very charitable
They are antisemitic but they're more anti-sardinian and anti-corsican; Famine is a hardcore Mussolinian fascist and economically supports the Italian hate groups of CasaPound and Forza Nuova.
P.S. : I myself am Sardinian
@@stoneflower5126 I think he is an absolute idiot and probably one of the most shootable people on earth, but he can make music
Booo racism. Cannibal Corpse and a million other bands with lyrics about every sick, violent and degenerate act imaginable are a-ok though. Lyrics about murder and gore are totally cool but you'd better not be proud of your heritage.
the difference is that cannibal corpse doesn’t want to exterminate a single group of people, and even when they talk about women, we all know that it’s an act, they’re not being serious. but these bands mentioned in this video genuinely do see themselves as superior to other people, and WANT to exterminate anyone else. also about your heritage? you can’t be proud of “being white” because white people originate from all over the earth. there are white people born in africa, as there are white peoples in the usa.
@martinlutherpierce609- I saw a video on RUclips where some turkey was bashing Arghoslent as soon as he found out about the racist lyrics, but this fumb ducker had absolutely no problem showing an image of somebody working behind a counter getting his head blowed off by a person robbing a store. Speaking about getting heads blowed, this same goof seemed to bring up the supposed size of an Arghoslent guitarists manhood way too much.
This guy likes "non-problematic black metal"??
Brah.
Its called kiddy metal or safespace metal.
@@x88868 Not really, it's just called "Metal made by people who have the bare minimun of common sense, and understand that your artistic medium of choice isn't an excuse to be an asshole".
@@costelinha1867 so, I am right. Safe space metal. Rock on with your bib on! 🤘
@@x88868 yeah brother I only listen to REAL metal with racist lyrics because it equals best and TRUEST music! It's not like modern TERRIBLE music like Justin Bieber and the rappity raps! You won't find a single non-racist band in my EPIC TRUE vinyl collection🤘🤘🤘
@@bboydobriy the only racist here is YOU.
good video, i'm excited to see volume 2!
i'm interested if you have any thoughts on the "shock imagery vs. genuine dogwhistle" dilemma, since that tends to be what this kind of lyrical content gets justified with. i understand why bands like these get compared to say, throbbing gristle or siouxsie sioux, but it just feels different to me. considering the difference in political climate during the 70's vs now, what could've been legitimate transgressive art back then just isn't shocking anymore. i tend to believe a good shock artist should be able to notice that and pick a different gimmick. not to mention, it's tough to bank your reputation on being controversial while disowning glam & first wave bm acts for being flamboyant barely after stonewall lol.
Oh, that’s another good point. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt on edginess, but you always have to see if they’re creating a pipeline to sincere belief in hateful ideologies. For instance, even though the types of people who listen to Pantera are probably more racist than average, I’m willing to take Phil at is word that his Nazi salute was just him trying to be edgy while he was drunk and pissed off. He hasn’t really backed it up with more Nazi shit or a coherent white supremacist ideology, at least as far as I know. Also, I’m willing to bet that a lot of artists fall into a gray area where they don’t even realize how much their adoption of edgy aesthetics is turning them on to hateful ideas. It doesn’t make it all okay, though. People need to read the room, create a fun environment for everyone, and make sure the hidden message in their humor isn’t watered-down Nazism.
That's going to be more of a focus in the next volumes, what's real and what's just shock value etc. Good point!
One very obvious difference: shock imagery - very early Sepultura wearing swastikas. Theatricity of 15 years old kids who aimed to appear as dark and evil during the mid 80s while playing raw proto black/death metal on their first LP. They had very fictional, entertaining and horror context, no political aspirations yet. Soon as they were growing and started to get more realistic and political they appeared as very left-wing.
Pantera - racist dog whistles almost entire career. Drunk 50+ old man acting edgy and sieg heiling and shouting white power on stage is just dog whistling, alt right type racism. And embarrassing scene to see, also.
The problem with trying to be edgy or shocking by using that kind of imagery and themes is that you end up normalizing the same shit the actual fascists are pushing for, so you are helping them regardless of your intention.
D OgWh iStLe DERRRDERRRRRRRRRR DURRRRRR
Nokturnal Mortum is a really unique case that really shows how difficult it can be to truly judge the appropriate course of action with bands like them. Musically speaking, they are one of my favorite bands and I am happy that they have done away with their problematic themes and beliefs in their music. However, there's always the remaining issue with them: they still play NS festivals like Asgardschrei. Now I write this comment as someone who does not have any actual knowledge of the reasoning. But asking, "why would a band who has changed their ways and left their racist and antisemitic ways behind still play at festivals like that?" is a very fair question to ask. Are they insincere? Are these the only festivals they can play? The latter question is the most intriguing to me. It is entirely possible they still play these festivals because it's difficult to get gigs outside of NS festivals like Asgardschrei or non political festivals that do host NS bands like Steelfest. In the US, we had a tour with Taake cancelled in 2018 due to threats of violence from protesters because the singer pulled a Sex Pistols-like provocation stunt on stage in 2007 in Germany. Surely if Nokturnal Mortum, considering their past, would face similar or even worse backlash if they were to try to tour here or play a festival like Maryland Deathfest. Major festivals like Wacken, Hellfest, etc would likely not touch a band like them because of their past so they are likely fairly limited in what festivals they can play and where they can tour. They can play problematic festivals or get protested into oblivion resulting in cancellations. So it raises an interesting question: what is the appropriate way to respond to bands with problematic pasts? I don't know the answer to this. There's a part of me that thinks if they were given a chance to tour and play these major festivals, they likely wouldn't play these NS festivals. Then there's another part of me that doesn't want the floodgates to open where bands like Goatmoon and other unapologetic NS bands could creep into the major festival and touring circuits. These are my thoughts and unfortunately I feel like there's no good answer here.
I think as far as festivals are concerned, given the financial necessity for bands to your and play gigs etc, I think if a previously problematic band shows appropriate penance for their past, it should be a case by case basis of slowly reinstating them at those major festivals. In NKs case, you might be right, where else can they play? They might need better options to properly disengage with that fanbase. It's a tough one!
Bands with NS past are still followed by nazi fans, so that's why normal metal festivals would never invite them.
@@stoneflower5126 For sure. My main concern is the idea of a proper penance is so subjective. I like the idea of it in theory but what is a proper penance? And with that concept being so subjective, would a proper penance that would pass both yours and my standards even make a difference? As a fairly left-leaning person myself, my biggest concern is that bands and venues have faced protests, threats of violence, last-minute event changes, and cancellations for less than Nokturnal Mortum's past. Bands like Taake, Akhlys, Horna, and Mgla come to mind when I say that. Taake has the distasteful (and illegal) provocation stunt in Germany and the other three are primarily association controversies even though the bands themselves are not NS and not political. So for me it's a matter of what we know versus what we hope. We know bands like NM will get protested out of a lot of places before they even arrive and we know this has happened to bands who have never been NSBM bands. What we hope is something can take place that will redeem bands like NM to a point where they can break free from their current self-imposed limitations. I would argue that based on what we know, it likely wouldn't matter what they do and it will always be the case. Unfortunately I think they are too pigeonholed at this point. At best, they continue to evolve as people and at worst their limitations take them back to being what they once were.
In my opinion, strategically it might only make sense to dissolve and re-form and re-name. It may not immediately solve a publicity problem, but might help the sincerity problem if a band is in fact simply trapped by their past.
This only applies to bands with members who have genuinely changed after a confirmed/outspoken NS past though and makes no sense for bands that are more adjacently controversial.
@@HeavenlyEchoVirus They seem to reflect such a concept by the changing of their logo. But I think that would be a really good practical idea.
The fact that a third of the people who rated this disliked, proves that the nat soc community is well active
"Rubbish" is my favorite British word and I feel good when you say it lol.
Racism in metal? For me it's just more to *Individual* ...not really represent to all metal genres... because Racism not just happens in Metal only!
Of course racism is an issue that affects almost everything, but I wanted to focus on this small part
@@stoneflower5126 ruclips.net/user/shortsGEiS29OlxAA?feature=share
There's more to racism than the obvious, overt behaviors and speech. That's why it's so dangerous. Most people think that the only way to be racist is by burning a cross in somebody's yard, or wearing Klan dresses and dunce caps, flying swastikas and confederate flags, or by using racial slurs. Just because people will talk to you about the game, crack jokes with you, or shake your hand doesn't stop them from being racist.
💯
Whoa, huge props for recommending The Believer! Ever since it came out, it's been the movie about hate groups that I most recommend, over the more popular, but less nuanced, American History X. In any case, it much better depicts the state of white supremacy in America, which isn't all just street gangs and militias, but also, crucially, the fascist 'intellectuals' who hide behind coded language and tailored suits, to build fascist and racist movements. Brilliant film. Sorely underappreciated.
Dude you got me to watch The Believer and now it's one of my favorite indies along with Pi and Gummo. Any more recommendations?
Similarly grim idie American films? Start with something like Mysterious Skin by Gregg Araki
Personally im going to enjoy great work regardless of the creators personal values. Also the racist angle is usually inadvertently hilarious albeit dangerous sometimes. I’ll listen to the albums, try to get them for free, not go to concerts or buy merch but as far as the lyrics go they can f off!
Why do you care so much about someone else’s opinions and beliefs?
What was Donaldson from screwdrivers greatest hit? That fucking tree!
BRO
don't even know the exact reference yet i loled at guessing, story please :)
We need some more racist metal. Thanks for music suggestions!
Imagine if fans of gangsta rap critiqued like this.
There's tons of videos on RUclips already, addressing it better than I could tbh.
I've never heard rumors of Gelal being Turkish or Persian. It's pretty common knowledge at this point that his parents are from Argentina and he's spent plenty of time there.
Really?? I'll have to look into that, the most recent info I had was that he was from Turkish background, but that might be rubbish, thanks for the heads up
What was the point of your video? To say "Yeeeesh, there sure are some sketchy bands but you can listen to them if you want". Yeah, I can figure that out for myself.
So you hate nazis? What a courageous statement!
I wonder why this video made you angry.
@@aldxbaran Angry? We love laughing at low T soy content
@@samizdat113 I can't wait until Stitchfix starts sending free buttplugs in their fixes.
@@Lizardkingmediaproductions Got to keep the prolapsed anus stains put of their clothes somehow
I don't know what I think is more disgusting. Racism or people using it to talk about themselves.
What a great video! Let's take a look at the comme- GOOD LORD
GOOD LORD WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THAT COMMENT SECTION
I always wanted to see this sort of thing talked about in depth. One of the biggest reasons I continue to make metal music today is exactly what you've discussed here. I have noticed quite a bit of reactionary sentiment in the extreme metal scene and I actively want to push back against it. Granted, things are evolving and anti-racism, feminism, and pro lgbtqa sentiments are becoming more prevalent, but despite it all, fascism is still on the rise and it's threat looms. While it's not entirely original (what the hell is these days?) I still think it matters to assert as an artist in this niche that you don't need to be a hateful bigot to be a provocateur, to challenge the status quo, and to enjoy and create extreme music. I could go on forever about this but I digress. Great video dude \m/
"you don't need to be a hateful bigot to be a provocateur, to challenge the status quo"
Comedians, take note.
What about when Slayer talked about nazis? Why not also do a documentary about communism in music?
thanks I was looking for new music to listen to
You sound like a decent person
Disregard short hair opinions, dislike short hair posts, shut down short hair creators…!!!!
>:(
Your profile name, and the channel creator (talking about racists) liking your comment is the funniest shxt I've seen all day
Justin, you are bald lmao
There are so many good bands out there that aren't nazis. I can find something that's just as good by someone that's not a shit head.
Nazis🥴
Arghoslent better
Of course, but there's also a bunch of really unique bands who are like this too, so it's worth analyzing imo
@@stoneflower5126 my thought process is that I can live without exploring bands that openly propagate ignorance. The vast majority of extreme music has no ties or outright condemns these ideals so to put this stuff into my rotation would be like me saying these ideals are OK with me and they absolutely are not.
@@cliffordthevinylcheapskate351 understandable, and in truth I don't listen to them much if at all, for the very reason, I definitely don't stream any of their music officially (if you even can) and I'll never buy merch or go to a live show.
You had me interested until you compared the skinheads in Skrewdriver to Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro.
Let me guess you idolize Peterson and Shapiro 🤣
@@Nightshade1881 Let me guess you heard they're racist transphobic bigot Nazis on Twitter and went along with it without doing any research and forming an opinion of your own🤣
@@Nightshade1881 But it's a weird fucking comparison. One is a self help psychologist and a classic english liberal who detests authoritarianism and the other is a right wing pundit and a religious jew. Not sure they would have much in common with skinheads. Other than the fact that they would hate eachother.
@@Nightshade1881 Peterson is the GOAT😎
Then they shouldn’t be saying the same things
"Antisocial" and "I Don't Like You" by Skrewdriver are fucking BANGERS I don't care what anyone says
Generic punk rock BS.
@@paravan2000 cry about it
@@andychrist5142 No need. Skip.
@@paravan2000 you just did cry about it with your first reply lol
As a grown ass man, I do my best to not support any new bands who have a serious racist agenda, but when it comes to bands with members who are problematic in their personal life, shit like burzum that I discovered at 12 years old before I was online and grew attached to for years for example, I'm not gonna let the internet make me feel guilty for still enjoying those albums. I enjoy disma's releases with Craig pillard still even though he's an asshole. People online love to put others in a box in an attempt to portray themselves as a beacon of morality and virtue, but people are complicated and there's plenty of "non racist" artists who are bad people in a completely different aspect of their humanity. Sometimes bad people make good art, and it's ok to enjoy that art to a degree. Probably not in your best interest to give them your money or boost their reach at all, but good riffs are good riffs.
On another note, Lots of "metal" guys have also said really dumb racist shit as teenagers for shock value and didn't necessarily believe in it, most of us who existed before social media and grew up in less progressive regions did (myself included), so when a grown adult in the metal scene suddenly catches flack for dirt that was dug up on them I hesitate to banish them from the world. Nobody is squeaky clean and most white 12 year Olds have said atleast a few slurs in their online chats.
Then again I still find the humor in a band like anal cunt so maybe I'm just a dumbass. Regardless of what you do or don't find humorous, I fully believe there is a certain way you should present yourself when in public, it's ok to have a fucked up sense of humor but you probably shouldn't try to be funny unless the person next to you is consenting to it, or you might just provide them with your own character assassination
Inside you there are three wolves
I scheduled one to be put down humanely
The older I get the harder it is to openly like AxCx. Thankfully Swallowing Shit and dozens of others do the same sorta grind but without the edgelord chud shit.
I'm deeply disappointed in Jon Schaffer for the stupid shit he got himself involved in, but I'm relatively sure that the rest of the Iced Earth crew didn't really have a clue what was going on with him besides simply working with him.
I can still find joy in the albums that I already owned before that affair happened, appreciating their unique vibe in its own right.
Probably not buying anything new, though.
If you are going to call bands out on ideology then maybe show how they are wrong. You know a counter argument other than "racist bad". It's just a pejorative to invalidate someone's opinion not an actual argument.
That would require them to grapple with the issues, which they don't have to do because the corporate media already crowned them the "good guys."
How are you guys trying to justify racism 🤣
What more is to be said? Marginalizing groups and treating them based on ethnicity or color is pathetic and actually a lot more like what God would do than Satan.
All these nazi soys are just as fuckin fried as their christian "enemies"
@@brimerwelpippy4972 I couldn't agree more
Except for the pathetic part
Gotta say this comments section is heinous. Not your fault obviously and good video though. I like extreme metal but it's always been difficult for me because of bands like these or bands like these who aren't open about it which is honestly a little worse (trying to avoid racist bands in Black Metal is... a hassle to say the least). I understand that extreme music is going to attract extreme people but I really wish that more of these bands were just here for the sound and the aesthetic. A lot of these bands can't seem to tell the difference between reality and fantasy and think they should ACTUALLY be evil. All this is yet another reason to fear for the future of humanity... like I needed any more.
Arghoslent evokes an inner conflict like no other band. Even the lyrics are about events that did happen, and though they're rather non nice (which is common in metal, yes) the band sings in a derogatory manner. One could argue their lyrics are from the colonialists viewpoint but I'm not buying that.
However, those riffs don't lie. Damn.
I agree with you mostly regarding negiotative reception in consumption of these bands, disavowing their views whilst also just enjoying the music. I'd be willing to purchase some merchandising in contrast although as long as it is received from a third party source. Despite not delving too deeply into Arghoslent, GBK had become one of my favourite metal bands. Gelal has achieved genius writing riffs, too bad that doesn't translate well to his takes.
Potentially, but I wouldn't want to inadvertently advertise the band by wearing their hoodie or something in public.
@@stoneflower5126 Me neither. Even Burzum or Mgla is off limits for me as far as merchandise is concerned.
@@stoneflower5126 Very fair. I also wouldn't want someone who may happen to be in the know to get the incorrect idea of me.
@@wheelsofmercury Why Mgla tho?
@@Koraxus That band is on a very sketchy label. They are still an excellent band, though.
I there is a RUclipsr I follow and he has a line " you say your not a racist, and maybe you aren't." However by supporting a racist band even if it is only listening to there music. " That proves that being a racist is not a deal breaker for you."
All you are doing is making it possible for racist bands to make more music.
Racist metal heads are a subset of a subset. So by definition the audience for the music they make is small. For example racist punk was unfortunately a larger subset of a subset, but stores that carried them kept them in the back and charged a arm and a leg for them. However if people who are not racist listen to there music and talk about them in a favorable light even if only of their musical skills. This will lead some young kid to get their album cause he has heard good things about them. Though he isn't a racist the worms are in his brain and if he is the right type of kid "at risk" then something happens and he becomes a racist, likely a violent racist.
Satan worship and Killing Christians is ok?
Listen to the music for the music's sake, don't worry so much about the politics or past. Nobody is perfect.
Racists tend to make shit music is the issue lol. Varg excluded
Best answer total Chad
Someone made a video of this in Spanish a few years back.
You'd expect Spanish speaking people and Hispanic people in general being very anti racist, right?
...lots of people were defending Pantera and Burzum... and I mean LOTS.
I would have been surprised by that kind of thing but then I saw Bolsonaro supporters being insane in Brazil and I thought yeah, South America can be just as conservative as anyone else lol
@@stoneflower5126 Oh, they have a BIIIG tolerance for stuff like NSBM in Hispanic countries. I heard from a Mexican metal fan that shirts of bands like Absurd and Peste Noire are as widely available in mainstream stores down there as the usual Metallica, Nirvana and Guns N' Roses shirts.
There are quite a few issues with that initial presumption.
Expecting that pretty much derives from the western world taking on American cultural norms/conceptions, as the Americans have the whole southern border thing with Spanish speakers - approx 90% of whom are very apparently nonwhite. It is also worth factoring in that the us, being a foundationally WASP country, inherited many of the national & theological rivalries of England - and from the Cath/Prod wars through the Armada through Imperial rivalries, the Spanish were right up there on Englands S***list. So the US inherits this and then the majority of the spanish speakers they're dealing with are mixed Mesoamericans to boot.
Under the Spanish and Portuguese Empires, the Casta System was the Law, and this caste system held European born whites at the top of the pile with Whites born in the Americas next up, right the way through the assorted types and mixes.
This legacy persisted in south America beyond the European Empires.
Another of the problems with the presumption is that even when taking an overtly antiracist stance, those of wasp countries still tend to retain the specifically wasp view of what constituted white - which, surprise surprise, the wasp was the pinnacle of. It probably sounds strange for them to hear that Spain and Portugal practiced WS also. But they absolutely did- and even in the American South, the French/Spanish Criollo who initially did butt heads with their wasp counterparts of the planter/trading-in-humans class, all joined together and the criollos naturalised, bc of the haitian revolution.
In some ways there is more insistence on the Spanish being distinct from other Europeans now than then, though oddly it tends to be precisely those looking to wield it to make a point.
Same goes with the irish and italians, who simply would not have even been permitted to migrate and Naturalize in such large numbers as they did if they weren't considered basicallywhites (just take a look at the laws of the time, and the plenty of cases of other peoples' paths to naturalisation being rejected).
So yeah, its way more complex than folks from Anglo countries tend to take for granted, and it can seem a bit strange to others when Anglos unwittingly use a standard of protestant-germanism to mean 'the realwhites'
Why would you expect anything like that? Are Spanish and Hispanic people in general not human? Because every human I know is kinda racist, why would they be any different?
Why would they be "anti racist" you absolute idiot? Just because they are "hispanic?" That statement itself is a form of liberal racism. "Group X believes this because they are brown." Everyone on planet earth is racist.
The racism is my favorite part.
Did he make this video because he found Arghoslent sketchy? Also the Skrewdriver section was so random
The artist can take himself as serious as possible but cannot stop the listener from having their tongue firmly pressed into cheek.
This videos make me wonder why they listen to extreme music in the first place isnt it supposed to be offensive
No it's supposed to have good riffs
I just bought two copies of their new album. Need more creative ways to financially support and platform Arghoslent
Huge crossover fan here so I love everything from death metal to crust punk to hardcore punk, oi punk is supposed to be anti racist, and even had its own anti racist subculture called s.h.a.r.p.(skinheads against racial prejudice). All REAL oi punks dispise racism.
lol no, skinheads were racist to begin with but it didn’t make the culture, paki and fag bashing being a normal thing. Skinhead subculture was not racist or anti racist to begin with. It’d be like saying you had neo nazi bikers and anti-fascist bikers, you’d find them anywhere in any part of life, like metal
Except no. You just like the culture and WISH it were true. Actual punks hate sheep that try to out virtue signal one another. Should be ashamed of yourself
@jj9306 you virtue signal and say the very shit they been yelling about on Oprah and The View for years knowing g damn well never met a Klansman ,l
About about religious or cultural prejudice? Is that ok?
Interesting video. Here my view:
In the 50 years I’ve been around, most certainly have things slipped my mouth that I wouldn’t say like that anymore. Importance is to learn from the past.
I know from Ian’s mouth that B+H was formed because the NF skimmed all the profits from record sales and he had enough off it (that’s just as a little added info)
Now, politics and racism, is something you find a fair amount of in black metal. 99% of the time you can’t understand the lyrics so it just turns into a bombastic wallof sound. Why exactly these topics are so evil while it’s ok to sing about rape and murder is beyond me and I won’t judge that. Fact is, it’s extremely provocative. Even members of the Sex Pistols have been seen with swastikas to provoke. So there’s that issue as well. Is it simply Provokation?
Certainly there are quite a lot who hold those beliefs far beyond the music and that’s their choice/problem. To me, there are bands that sound like shit and bands I like. I don’t even favor genres but rather pick out of the mass what sounds good to me. Aside from very few exceptions I don’t even pay attention to lyrics but rather take it in as a whole piece of “artwork”. We also need to look into what is considered racist these days, that wasn’t 20 years ago. I’m also not a believer that racism and anti semitism are the same thing nor should they be used in the same context.
In the end I go by the adage “you do you”. Music hasn’t made me a rapist, better lover, racist or anything else. To think it does goes against everything that Dee Snyder fought for in court.
You,ll properly one one those dudes that were pro segregation until recently lol
@@maleexile9053 pretty crude assumption. No I was not. Never have been.
But I do in the rights of countries do deal with their own issues in their own ways, within their borders. And I believe in racial differences, that doesn’t mean one is better than the other. I do find however that we swing the racism bat way too much, and much of it is due to the way our media is set up. As a political instrument. That has been developing since the mid 1930.
I think singing about murder gets a pass because it’s almost always understood to be a dark, edgy fantasy, not reflective of anyone’s actual beliefs. When things get borderline racist or very cartoonishly racist, it’s hard to say whether it’s sincerely promoting racism, accidentally doing so, or not doing so at all. In the case of the bands explored in this video, it’s abundantly clear how racist they are, so you can’t even argue that they’re just being edgy.
I don’t care as much about financially supporting racists if it’s for something that has nothing to do with their personal beliefs, but these bands all expressed racism in their music, and they were usually involved with white supremacist organizations that their music-earned dollars would be going to. In that case, even if I could overlook their music, I would refuse to buy merchandise and tickets from them, pirate their music whenever possible, and only introduce people to them with a disclaimer that their lyrics were racist. Hell, I wouldn’t introduce that many people to them in general for fear of being judged. That’s what they deserve, at least until they attempt to atone for their words and actions.
@@meowtherainbowx4163 I won’t argue you on that at all. And yes, the bands in the video certainly are just that. Mine was more a generalization of the whole thing.
Yeah see the problem with that is that the Sex Pistols are well documented pieces of shit, regardless if they’re actually neoNazis they’re still reactionaries. Also a lot of those bands that sing about rape and murder usually aren’t raping and/or murdering people, while bands that sing about racism are usually actively racist. although I do have a big fucking problem with the misogyny of slamming brutal death and pornogrind etc etc. i will admit that sometimes I listen to some Mayhem albums, but so far I’ve been able to very easily avoid most reactionary and racist works other than like maybe Dying Fetus, and the songs I listen to by them are usually just about beating people up
I like metal like I like my women... racist
This is why God is giving you his toughest battles
not a flex
@@stoneflower5126 then that means he's on the right track.
Props for using Death for the background music in the beginning..Also, I don't know a single person who's offended by Arghoslent and would say they're one of the best bands around....Their guitarists are fantastic writers
Really great video. Im not to far into metal/black metal, more of a surface level metal normie, but I think I know enoguh to say that you covered this complicated topic very well. Metal being such a 'shock' genre can make understanding its messages and intentions difficult, but actually looking into these bands history is great and gives a lot more insight.
Then dont listen to rap!
What does rap have anything to do with this?
@@Moszan because rap is chock full of black nationalism. Ethnonationalism is only considered evil and racist when it's coming from Europeans.
@@Moszan Anti-white racist lyrics.
@Metal Head Spoken like a true moron who doesn't listen to rap
@Metal Head According to people who don't even listen to rap. Not exactly an informed opinion even if it's a loud one. 🤡🤡
I will personally financially support the NSBM scene forever
same
Absolutely, I'm personally not into black metal but it's important.
@@aaronstephen6952 Poser detected.
@@aaronstephen6952 ???
@@aaronstephen6952 u just straight up said " i don't like black metal, but im a nazi so i act like a fan cause of the nazi stuff "
Ah finally
Someone's speaking on it. As a black metal enjoyer (lol) I usually stay the fuck away from
Just about everyone. The black community stigmatizes you for being "Weird" and having alternative interests. And honestly, I could go the rest of my life without being told "stick to rap"
I'll revisit this video later
“The black community stigmatizes you for being weird”
I, a Black punk, must not exist then. Also I can tell the difference between clowning somebody for their choice of clothing and the actual systemic racism that affects black ppl
Black metal gatekeepers are as lame as every other gatekeeper. Remember that
@Boe Judden
You know as well as I do black experiences are unique and they aren't universal. My experiences being interested in other music growing up IN THE BIBLE BELT
are vastly different than yours having grown up somewhere else presumably.
Furthermore..
Blacks cannot oppress the other systematically. I don't even know why you mentioned that. 🤣
Blacks do not tease. They are actively violent and antagonistic towards the other. I don't care about life in Delaware for you or wherever.
@@boejudden9011 I guess he's lying then because two people can't possibly have different experiences in different environments
Every community stigmatizes people who don't play the weird social games and rituals people develop
I don't really care about all this stuff personally. Like, people will listen to death/black metal, lirics about mass rape, murder, satanism, anti christianity and torture and not bat an eye, but will suddenly get their panties on a twist when the song talks about just killing one specific group of people or insults judaism instead of christianity or supporting fascism/national socialism when there are bands which promote communism or even stalinism, which are ideologies which arguably caused even more death and suffering than nazis and nobody cares. Nobody will care when you announce yourself as a fan of RABM, but say you like NSBM or have a patch of a ""problematic" band and you'll be instantly be harassed or even actually assaulted in a concert. I'm personally a devout catholic and don't really care when like 90% of all black metal bands insult my religion, why is it suddenly bad when songs talk bad against judaism/islam?
I can sort of understand being against bands when members actually commit crimes, like with Dissection or Burzum, to just name some of the most notable one, but lyrics, album covers and edgy interviews on shitty zines that no one reads just seem like such stupid things to fixate on. Most of the time you can't even make out what the guy is even singing about and you have to actively go and read the lyrics to even realize that the song is "problematic", I guess it would be more understandable if clean vocals were used, but that's not the case.
I don't really care about people deciding to not support a band financially, everyone does whatever he wants with his money, but going to the trouble of harassing people on shows, rallying up to cancel shows, doing bomb threats, and going on witch hunts online just seems ridiculous to me. If anything I just think it helps the bands and makes their stuff seem cooler as it's now "edgy and prohibited" and maybe even radicalizes people on the middle which may see the lefts attempt at censorship as a bigger problem than the bands ideologies.