Story 3: I love how the chaplain lady came down on those wannabe alpha male sailors like the wrath of Poseidon. I’m glad OP’s friend had a happy ending and I’d like to than both OP and his friend for their services in the US Navy
Former Navy myself as well and yeah good for Bill as for the 2 Petty Officer's they got what they deserved, and the OP isn't kidding getting a dishonorable discharge from any branch of the U.S. Military will kill pretty much any chances of getting a good or even decent job outside of the military (given that the military has tons of contracts with civilian businesses) with possibly the only exceptions being janitorial or other BELOW minimum wage jobs, the janitorial one probably not though given that the military uses contracted janitors in a lot of installations.
The Navy Chaplin story... Having served 27.5+ years myself in a training command it takes gross command negligence to NOT KNOW you had 2 bad apples spoiling the fruit of the Navy's apple tree. My experience is that the superiors of the Petty Officers law out their future should the activities continue... Or an unwritten way of experiencing the same treatment to maybe a tad greater extent over a long period of time to include evaluations much lower than they previously received which torpedoes any future ability to advance. They would have to prove to the Chaplain what got them there. Of course the Chaplain would enquire at the command via the Command Master Chief and get the truth of the matter. I did 3 tours in a training command. Those 2 clowns were not properly supervised by their command. I'm certain that some leadership within that command that wear kahkis both enlisteds and officers had their own careers impacted for their leadership failures as a result of the 2 petty officers actions going totally un-noticed.
My friends used to do similar to me. They’d ring me up, saying “hey, we’re stuck on the roadside, can you lend us £10 for petrol?”, or, “hey, we’re at the shops but our card got declined, can you lend us….” Etc. without fail, towards the end of each month. They both didn’t work and I found out they were still doing things like spending £10 in cafes etc, so I put my foot down and told them I’m not their personal bank account, they need to learn to budget better. Needless to say they survived fine without my money.
Last commenter on the last post sounds like a real estate business person of some sort. So no, still an awesome event. I’m glad the people got to stay in their house.
Story 4: I don't think OP and crew were out of line at all. It was a damned clever scheme and it's telling that the neighbors were willing to do their part. They knew what was going on and it obviously didn't sit well with them, either. Those kids should have honored their mom's wishes and sold the house to the family at the agreed-upon price. It was the right thing to do.
They were completely out of line! Driving away competitive buyers to get the place for cheap? Unlawful. If their story is true, they should have rent it with the option to buy after the contract. It's a contract done at the very beginning when you rent any house, stating the amount of rent, the duration of the contract and the agreed selling price after the renting period. This is simply criminal.
@@pedrodaniellopesferreira2916 Oh boohoo the wealthy landlords lost out on some more money they didn't even need, and the (gasp) peasants were allowed to remain in the home they'd probably paid for in rent already. Cry me a river.
@@pedrodaniellopesferreira2916The way I see it. A promise was made, and the rich landlord kids said they would honor that promise. Then they went back on that promise, attempting to kick these guys out of the home they were already working on because rich person greed. The OP fought back in order to make them hold to the promise and keep their home. Legalities aside, I see no moral quandaries here. I just see the little guy fighting back and winning over a bunch of immoral, rich, greedy, landlords.
@@pedrodaniellopesferreira2916 Verbal contracts are just as binding as written contracts. Unfortunately, they're a lot harder to prove. There's no question that the family and the woman should have put their agreement in writing. When the heirs agreed to to honor the terms of the woman's offer, they _definitely_ should have gotten that in writing. But they didn't, the heirs reneged, and there was fallout. The heirs acted dishonorably and, if they truly were as wealthy as they were made out to be, why were they worried about a mere 80,000 dollars?
@@pedrodaniellopesferreira2916 Nah, what's criminal is how rent is going up to points that many people with well paying jobs are left homeless, all because mostly older generations want to milk every cent
For those unfamiliar, a Captain in the Navy is an O-6 officer, equivalent to a Colonel in the other branches. Just barely under an Admiral/General. They can RUIN you if you piss them off enough.
@@kristineguetschow9134 Depending on when it happened, a DD could be enough to disqualify them from immigrating to Canada legally. There's good odds that they're stuck in the US for the foreseeable future with absolutely no real prospects.
Former Navy here...sounds like took place in 90's early 2000 (maybe before that but difidently not after) because it sounds so familiar. Chaplains, bully higher ups and etc...oh the stories I could tell about the Navy
Story 4: This is literally just paying the a-hole tax. Could OP be lying? Sure, but lets be honest here going against an agreed on price to squeeze more money out of someone else is nearly unjustifiable. And the one guy commenting sounds like someone that would defend Nintendo for shutting down charity streams. (Yes that's real)
Thing is the children did not agree to anything and the tenants didn't have an agreement in writing. It was just a he said , she said with the tenants having no proof to back them up. Not sure many people would be OK selling property for a fraction of its value. Based on the word of the person wanting it. Tenants should have had it in writing.
@@huntjl88 I mean to be fair, it's Reddit and something will ALWAYS be missing. And what's crazy is in some states and in certain jurisdictions a verbal agreement/handshake is actually a legal binding contract for whatever was originally agreed upon. Writing makes it infinitely easier though lol.
The one who promise it was the old lady. Her children did not. They have no legal obligation to follow through with the deal. Although it's suck, who said life has to be fair all the time?
The children did, in fact, promise it. After the old lady died it says the tenants and the heirs spoke and the heirs agreed to uphold her wishes. And frnakly, making sure that a family gets to keep their house is more important than making sure that rich people get slightly richer.
Story 3: My heart was sinking for the first half of the story; it was obvious Bill was going to make an attempt, but I honestly didn't expect him to survive. I'm surprised, and incredibly happy.
That last story: the difference here is the heir’s of the sweet old lady didn’t honor a previous business agreement and jacked up the price needlessly, they didn’t need the funds, they just wanted to squeeze as much as they could from the property.
Also, they didn't NEED to sell right then - if they thought the property was worth more they could have waited and re-marketed the property later. But, greed is very impatient - among other things.
Asking someone that neither knows nor cares about you to basically gift you 80k is ridiculous. What they did could be interpreted as morally slightly questionable but not wrong.
There was no previous business agreement, there were only tentative discussions, and they were with a completely different party anyway. The new owners weren't obligated to "honor" anything at all. That's not how the world works. Sure, it would have been *nice* if they'd decided to *give up part of their inheritance* out of the goodness of their heart for these people, but the tenants were _not entitled to that property_ in any way, just because the previous owner *said* that she *intended* to sell it to them (at a conveniently sizable discount) before she died. But on the other hand, what they did was arguably not just dishonest, but *actually illegal.* They fraudulently *misled potential buyers for their own monetary gain,* pure and simple. Stealing from people isn't magically OK just because "we wanted it but we couldn't afford to pay for it", or because "somebody else said we could have it, so we don't care what the actual owner wants". What's more, if the sellers actually figured out what they did, and could prove it, they probably could have successfully sued them for substantial damages, so this was very risky too. (And how much money the sellers did or didn't have, or whether someone else thinks they "didn't need the money", or "didn't need to sell it", or whatever is all completely irrelevant, too. That's all just *rationalization:* They're excuses people make _because they know what they're doing is wrong_ but they want to pretend it's OK, and pretend they're actually the good guys, when they're actually not.)
I'm wondering if the 80k was to make the split between siblings easier. It's still wrong to say the price will be honored and then turn around and up it by that much and make it open market. Honoring an agreement will give you a better reputation in the area, especially since they now have a bunch of properties in the area to sell or rent.
@@foogod4237 What about the part where they had agreed to sell the house at the previously agreed price and the tenants had started investing labor and materials into improving the house? What part of that is not fraud?
Story 3: I can guarantee that those two instructors got a dishonorable administrative discharge. They wouldn't have even needed to make up anything for paperwork for the type of hazing/harassment they did. I know from personal experience that the Navy takes claims/attempts of wanting to unalive very seriously.
my grand dad gave me the nest advice/ motto ever on this (first story), "... never lend money you're not willing to lose, and if it's lost never forget to stand your ground..."
That last story was here in Australia. We only do this kind of thing when someone tries to distort the market. They had a deal with the owner and her greedy family tried to ruin it for nothing more than an extra cash gram to squeeze every cent out of her estate Not on our watch. 🇦🇺
If I was the dude at the party I'd tell the buyer "sure this neighbourhood is great, you can get anything you want, weed, pills, smack, crack, you name it". Parties 24/7 you'll love it. Just don't piss off Big Jim. Or the Murphy's. And stay away from that end of the street, just walk up that way. And not after dark.
In the last story as far as I’m concerned, the children reneged on a deal that was already established. When you do that, the rules go out the window and all bets are off. In that case, it’s all fear and war. They should’ve just honored the agreement and let it slide.
Yeah, that strikes me as a “legally wrong, morally okay” sort of situation, assuming everything is factual. There was an agreement the tenants would buy the property at a certain price, the new owners agreed to honor the deal, then they attempted to go back on the deal without notice or good-faith negotiation seemingly because they realized they left money on the table and the verbal agreement couldn’t be proven. Sounds like if they were upfront about it going on the open market once it was free of the courts, or if they offered the tenants first refusal but at market price, then they could have sought out a bigger loan and the heirs gotten their money and the tenants the house... but they decided to be jerks about it.
@@jameslake7775 that’s exactly it. They didn’t even bargain or talk in good faith. But even beyond that, it was their mother‘s wish and desire that this go down the way it was supposed to. They didn’t even have the decency to honor their own mother‘s wishes.
I have to point out that we only have OP's word on that "agreement" to begin with, maybe she never even agreed to sell them the house at all, and they're just claiming she did now that she died (and can't say otherwise). I mean, they're obviously dishonest enough to fraudulently (and illegally) attempt to devalue the house for their own financial gain, so who says they're not also dishonest enough to just outright lie about what the old woman said too?
I disagree with the last comment. It was arguably fraudulent in the first place for the kids to say they're keeping to a deal, then quietly changing the terms of the deal for no other reason than pure greed, while the renters took out a loan based on the agreement they were never told was no longer on the table. This put the renters in a bad situation. It might have been under-handed, how they handled the situation, but what else could they do? Doesn't sound like there was any legal recourse for them. I say bottom line, don't just casually screw over people renting your property for a few extra bucks.
Immoral? Yes. Fraudulent? No. There are no deal between the children and the tenant. The deal was with the previous owner, and they didn't put it in writing, so it's quite difficult to prove it in court. It's suck, but life doesn't have to be fair all the time. And what OP did has bad karma written all over it.
That last story, that commenter sounds like the type who is all about money and nothing else. Reminds me of this guy from where I used to live complaining on the city Facebook page a few years back. The city was building a small water park in the area, but he flipped out saying the local government should only be caring about lowering his taxes, raising his property values, and improving his quality of life. The whole part about raising property values really got me considering how insane the price of housing has become.
Ironically these tax justice warriors are generally the first to cry that private businesses should be allowed to do whatever they want whenever they want (up to and including allowing employees to die from safety negligence) and the government shouldn't interfere. Then a water park wants to open up near his house and he runs crying to the teacher government
Those people view it as your net worth equals your personal worth. (No net worth= worthless) and that is how the whole nation is. People need to get a good education and have at least 500,000 in the bank before they have worth. Take it from an old dying woman who is in horrible pain daily because her doctor views her as worthless so he's letting her die like a stray animal.
@@RunnyBabbitMom The USA is a horrible country. People view the US as rich, but we need to stop looking at the wealthiest 1% and realise the USA is a third World country with comparable levels of poverty to the nations that people look down on.
Yup. If you can afford to give it to them, give it as a gift and maybe a good friend can return the favour one day. If you can't afford to give it to them, lend it to them, but be prepared to either lose the money or the friend, or both.
Last Story: Oh no, these poor rich people weren't able to rip somebody off for as much as they wanted.... Won't somebody think of the poor rich people...
Story 1: Those friends only saw OP as an ATM. They got what they deserved Story 2: Nancy got WAY too greedy. I only hope Geri found out and cut contact with her sister. And I do feel for Jessica and her brother, who most likely had no idea. Story 3: Those BULLIES *DESERVED* it. I bet they were either TRYING to get rid of Bill by any means possible, or they just didn't care about anything other than themselves. Story 4: THIS is the epitome of a TRULY united neighborhood. As for that last comment, did he even read the definition of Gazumping at the start of the story? Or did he just miss the part that specified that the new owners were GREEDY bastards?
Wanting to sell something you own for *fair market price* instead of _giving it away at a discount to some random person you never knew_ is not "being greedy". Sure, it would have been *nice* if they had decided out of the goodness of their heart to just *give up part of their inheritance* to go along with what the old woman had *supposedly* said she wanted to do, but there's really no reason they have to. The residents weren't "entitled" to that house in any way. Sometimes bad things happen unexpectedly, and you just don't get to do what you'd hoped you would be able to. That's just life. And on top of that, we only have OP's word on that "agreement" to begin with, maybe she never even agreed to sell them the house at all, and they're just *claiming* she did now that she died. I mean, they're obviously dishonest enough to fraudulently (and illegally) attempt to devalue the house for their own financial gain, so who says they're not also dishonest enough to just outright lie about what the old woman said too? And "gazumping" only applies if there was a formal agreement to sell, which there wasn't, which was kinda the point of the whole thing.
@@foogod4237 I feel like you're missing the part where a very large number of people, who didn't benefit at all from whoever bought the home, including the op, all collaborated on this, out of the goodness of their hearts, and wasn't it specifically op's idea? Why is all of the blame going on the struggling family here. And just saying that op could have lied is incredibly dumb, anyone can lie about anything, we literally only have the story to go off of. You really just sound like you're defending the rich assholes, yes it's morally questionable but the morality of the siblings is drastically worse here, knowingly putting a struggling family in an impossible situation for a tiny bit of extra money? Sure they Can legally do that, but fuck off if you say that's morally right. The law is a pretty shit representation of what morality generally should be
The last story was the opposite of what happened to my daughter and her husband. The dopers kept their clients away during the open show hours from 12 to 4. They got someones friends to bring some outdoor toys and also kids to play in the yard and have a barbeque for part of the open hours. The reators knew this was all fake due to previous open houses. They "forgot" to mention this to bidders on the property. Unfortunately my daughter and her husband won the bidding war. They were in the house for about a month when the dopers were back in full business operation. They complained to the realtors but got nowhere so they tried the police too. Nothing happened and they discovered one of the dopers was related to a town cop. They finally got help when another neighbor who moved in the neighborhood shortly after and had a relative who ranked higher in the chain of command in the police force and was going to do something about the dopers. The dopers found out before the cops could do a raid and they left. This set of events took about 2 years from start to end.
Did you mean $800 per week or per month, even with inflation the house you described could never fetch that kind of rent. $800 per week for a run down smelly house.
@@Flashlight237 The O.P said $400 per week then and now was like $800, that was why, I said, even with inflation, $800 per week for a run down smelly house would not fly.
Friend, family or whatever, if they are sincere they won't mind signing a paper about the loan, and if they do mind.... then ya know they never intended paying it back ! SO DON'T LEND IT !
Mom needed enough money to buy the vacant lot next to my Grandfolks' house. If she owned the land outright, she could get a mortgage to put a used mobile home on the lot. So her parents loaned her the money, and she insisted on signing a promissory note. The next Christmas, Mom opened the card from her parents. Inside was her promissory note, marked "paid in full." I grew up in that mobile home. Nothing fancy, but it was warm and dry and safe and ours. And I was so lucky living next door to Grandma and Granddad.
Was the commenter in story 4 one of the kids??? Oh heavens, folks whose family was going to be homeless prevailed against greedy, unscrupulous folks who reneged on a deal. Sounds like something that person might do- in the case that even a verbal deal isn't honored; with a track record and listed proof that the original owner had done this same deal with others so that would have also been a mitigating factor.
"This is why you should never lend money to friends" is dead wrong. Friends help each other in case of need. It's just that you should 1) pay attention who you make friends with and 2) know who is your friend and who isn't.
Story 1: pro tip if anything who's a friend of family asks for money from you to "get caught up" give it to them via a loan, because they owe you money on pen & paper, and if they get upset or complain, I guess they really don't need that money so badly
TV vs car repo story: They definitely FAFO! At least you got some money back... thanks to them not paying their car loan. The rest is definitely a write off. Just a suggestion OP. If anyone else asks to borrow money to pay bills, pay the bill directly yourself so it goes to where it's supposed to go. That is if you choose to loan the money. Home care story: The one I feel sorry for is the son. He MIGHT have been in on it, but it's likely he wasn't. Be he also got charged. Discharge story: None of the services tolerate that type of BS, although like in this case getting it reported properly can be difficult. And just an fyi: A chaplain is not a line officer, i.e., not in the line/chain of command despite her rank as a Captain (O-6). That's why she had to go to the base commander, HE had the authority to convene a courts martial to have them discharged. (You can't "just" discharge them, you have to follow proper procedure and have them charged and tried as required in the UCMJ, the Uniform Code of Military Justice.) And that's also why the two petty officers didn't want Bill going to the chaplain, the chaplain speaking to the right person/people could have had them disciplined, though it might have saved their careers. I also suspect the guy with 18 years in had some disciplinary actions in the past if at 18 years he was still a petty officer and not a chief petty officer or higher. The 12 year guy may have had a few as well. House story: NICE!
Years ago my husband lent his brother money, $1000, which was to be paid back at $100 a month. He made 2 payments and said they needed to skip some payments to catch up on other bills. We were over hi house and his wife starts showing me all the new clothes she bought. I didn't say anything but when we got in the car I gave my husband an earful. He talked to his brother but still no payments. It took years for him to pay us back but not in cash, oh no. He was a roofer and gave us a discount on the price. That and many other things led my husband to very low contact with them and I have no contact. Needless to say we never lent money ever again.
I wasn't in the Navy but I was in the Army and let me tell you, never underestimate the power of a chaplain. They can be way tough, despite the stereotype of clergy being weak. I had a friend who got into some trouble, went AWOL, and came back. He was Catholic and went to confess to a Catholic chaplain. His superior went to the chaplain, demanding to know what the chaplain had been told about what the guy had done. Of course the chaplain couldn't tell him, seal of the confessional you know. HE got threatened but stood up to those getting on his case, and suffered no punishment.
Story 3 made me almost tear up from anger towards the two instructors, and I rarely tear up. How can someone be this evil to treat a fellow navy like that? I was so glad to hear Bill made a full recovery and even got his life fully together, while the two instuctors lost it all.
First story, Contracts, contracts, contracts!! If it’s something like $50, then no. However for a figure of $750 yes. Write up a WRITTEN contract where you stipulate a certain date or sequence of giving the money back. If your ‘friend/s’ do not agree on these terms, no money. If your ‘friend/s’ agree, sign and date the contract, if no money is received, then you can go to small claims court and get money back, with interest and the other party will pay court costs. If they say they cannot pay, then it’s time for item/s repossession via court ruling. Friends or no friends, you have to look after yourself, no one else will..
😊😊Hello everyone, Hello Darkfluff! 😊😊 The caregiver story had to be DHS/DRS, The Department of Human Services. I was a traveling LPN whom worked there from 2005-2012. I dealt with bed sores/wound care on paraplegics & quadriplegics. It was incredibly easy to log hours you never worked if the person you work for allows it and at the time I was there early on you couldn't work for family. You filled in these time sheets and mailed them in and your paychecks came from the comptrollers office (I'm in Illinois).
Wait. I clicked as soon as the notification popped, but *it's already been a minute? Boo. HE-LO, EVERYONE!! Story 1. I borrowed against my 401K to help a "friend" from getting evicted with her 4 year old son. She was going to pay me back during tax time, but she moved away and changed her number. I was in a terrible car accident just a year later, lost *my job, and am currently STILL disabled with everything in collections. That money would have been so helpful...
If you do lend money, get a paper. Fun story my father-in-law was in the process of selling his house and buying a condo as he was downsizing. He asked me and my wife for a loan of about $10,000 and he would promise to pay it back once his house sold. My wife, God bless her, said OK but I need you to sign this paper. My father-in-law said why what for? You know I’m good for it. My wife said and I quote yes but if anything happens to you, that money comes off the top and it’s not part of any inheritance and I wanna make sure we get what is legally ours“. And my father-in-law smiled really wide and said I raised you right.
Story 1: Yes it's ok to help others financially for a legitimate purpose but my own rule is to never directly give the requestor the money. Instead, ask them to give you the payment address of the company they owe the funds to, and make the bill payment directly yourself. And then you negotiate payback terms and see if they do any of it. If they refuse such help or don't pay you back afterward (even in small installments), then write it off as a loss, never give them another loan, and let them float up their own creek.
story 1: When it comes to loaning money to family or friends I will only loan what I can afford to do without. Then if I don’t get paid I reserve the right to never loan them money again. That way I don’t feel vindictive, just disappointed
Story One: This happened to me when i was much younger, I guaranteed a loan of $1000 for some "friends" and they promptly bailed on me and refused to make any payments. I was pissed, so I went to there house late one night and poured a bag of sugar into the gas tank of there vehicle, apparently it ended up at a really dodgy garage who overcharged them to get the fuel system cleaned (they were bitching and moaning on facebook about it) They never contacted me, even though everyone knew it was most likely me (I couldn't care less about what people thought)
I was an in home supportive service provider for my mom. Most exhausting and stressful job there is. When she tried getting someone else there were a bunch of corrupted workers putting in time they didn't work for people similar to this story. They got caught, but since it is ghetto California there is a 4 strike warning system.
The last story, I don't think OP's friends was Aholes, the greedy kids could've played fair and given the family already living in the house who's landlord had said they was going to sell the home to them, but hey money. I have a similar story where a lady in my city who was good friends with my grandma gave my dad a skid steer because he had been the one who maintained it and rebuilt it every time her kids destroyed it, like catching it on fire, after she died, one of her kids tried selling it for the money, found a seller who asked to have it for a day to "test drive it" on the job, never returned it, didn't pay money for it, and when pressed, they said it didn't work so they left it on the side of the road.
Story 1: I would have told them that unless they pay me back in full right then, they would also be facing me in small claims court for the $700. And since they no longer have a car to get around, the court would automatically rule in my favor because they didn’t show up
Story 2 is exactly why people are moving out of NY. People get paid to take care of their own family, which is already ludicrous. Taxes are sky high due to stuff like this. "There's no way to prove that someone is actually there taking care of the person" WTF? Who thought this was not going to be a source of scams?
Story 1: If you're going to lend money to someone that is greater than an amount that you can easily lose, PUT IT ON PAPER. Write up a little contract, who the money's coming from, who it's going to, the amount, what the money is for, the date the loan was given, and what the repayment schedule is. You sign it. They sign it. You take a picture of it. God willing if you're able, go get it notarized. Copies all around. Otherwise, be prepared to say goodbye to your money. And if you do put it on paper and they renege, that's some great evidence for any court proceedings.
It's even worse to lend money to family. You trust them and yet have to watch them not returning what is owed to you when you are struggling to pay your bills now that you are short of the money you lent them.
I worked in real estate circles for decades and applaud that family's attempts to keep the deal they had with their original landlord alive. Something similar happened to a friend of mine. The heirs at first promised to abide to their relative's wishes but reneged after realizing how much money they could make by double crossing. And the double cross was against their own dead father(in my friend's case) because they knew exactly what he was going to do and had promised to do. They betrayed someone they claimed to love! I think that you'll find that wealth is an addiction like any other and therefor can not be satisfied by feeding it. Having wealth only makes you want more wealth. And while I feel sorry for any addict, this type of addiction causes damages that are almost always external---hurting other people.
Story 1: My husband & I lent my so called "best friend" money to fix her fence as her neighbour was insisting that it be replaced. In Australia each neighbour is responsible for 50% of the fence. As so as she received the money she gambled it away on online gambling. As my husband and I were going through some personal problems at the time she took this as an opertunity to try and brake us up so she could get the money that she thought my husband had. She did know that this was the last of the money I inherited from my Grandfather. Needless to say that we never got the money back but my marriage is stronger than ever. Do not lean to friends.
ago “Behind on bills” - in my last state we had a couple who got their friends to pitch in and “help” on rent because they claimed to be behind on bills. Within a month both of them has brand new tattoos and a lot of people who were pissed off at them.
First story: there is nothing new under the sun. “Neither a borrower nor a lender be, for a loan oft loses both itself and a friend, and bowering dulls the edge of husbandry.” Pelonius’ advice to Laertes in Hamlet.
Story 2: OP could press charges and/or file a civil suit for each forgery that Nancy committed on each time sheet. Story 4: I can see it from both sides. The fact that the owners stated they would sell to the friends for the agreed price but then reneged on the deal is pretty shitty.
In Story 3, it's more likely that the 2 petty officers were discharge under "other than honorable" conditions rather than dishonorable. The reason is that a dishonorable discharge requires a court martial, which takes time. It's apparent that these guys disappeared, which indicates an Article 15 Captain's Mast. OTH discharges are almost as bad though.
When I was in highschool, I wanted to join the Navy. That is until I found out that women weren't permitted to serve on submarines. That's what I wanted, so i said no. It may sound weird, but i figured serving on a submarine was the closest I could get to service in space! (Later found out that my eyesight was too poor anyway) 🤮
Story 3 again: Medical retirement is at most 75% (not full pay) and is usually paid through the VA. It's also subject to evaluation. So it's possible that Bill might have recovered enough to have the amount lowered, though it's more likely that there would be at least some continual disability.
Last story, while I feel really bad for the opie's friends they should have gotten that in paperwork far before it even got down that line the lady should have had that in writing when she made the deal just in case anything happens because life is not guaranteed so you always get everything in writing
Oh no someone didn't to extort tens of thousands of dollars out of someone because someone pushed back, the horror. You KNOW that person is someone who wouldn't accept a price change, and don't ever believe them if they say otherwise.
Story 3. Those officers never got out of frat boy college and boot camp hazing. Unfortunately since this activity has a don't ask don't tell sort of policy where it's tacitly approved so long as nobody dies in the military these guys took that to the extreme to the point where it finally went too far and they put someone's life in danger.
Story 3. Explains why my grandfather (retired navy) told me NOT to join the Navy and choose the Air Force. I didnt make it in either branch. Medically disqualified.
Story 2: I Never understood the part where they had to pay bk the money they steal if you are a fraudster. Pay bk the defrauded amount, then pay same amount in damages, and then same amount in punative damages... so $300k in this case.
If someone asks for help paying a bill and you are willing to help them, pay the bill directly do not give them cash. Pretty easy way to find out if they just wanted cash to spend on something else.
To what the last commenter said about the people in the last story, OPs friends did nothing wrong and the fact that commenter thought they did says that he either would or has done this to others who had an agreement on a purchase of a house only to back out jack the price up and put it on the open market knowing that the tenants that had the agreement couldn't afford it and didn't care about making a family homeless just as long as they got more money to put into their already full pockets
If you're going to lend people money, be it friends or family, always get them to sign a writen agreement, stating how much is owed and the date it is due by. That way, if they don't pay you pack, you can take them to court and you'll have proof of the arrangements. Otherwise, you have squat. And if they refuse to sign, then you refuse to lend them anything.
Rent prices are SO HIGH in the US, I swear in Italy most rents don't go higher than 600 Euros PER MONTH, not per week. Literally rent in the USA is about 5 times higher
24:15 Ya... I did that twice and both times it bit me in the ass. One owes me north of 3k and another 2k. Never saw a dime from either.... Ya I don't help friends anymore with money.
I genuinely don't understand why the family in story 4 didnt just buy a plot and trailer in trailer park. It sounds like they had enough saved to buy it outright. Hell, depending on how much they had saved, they could have bought 2 smaller trailers to have the extra rooms. Like, i know outside certain rural US areas trailers are looked down on, but you can get a trailer with 3 respectable sized bedrooms for roughly 1/4 the price of a normal house. Even if they eventually want a house, if they buy land too, they could use the existing land to build on or use it as collateral for a better loan.
In that last story, they didn't do anything wrong. They had an agreement with their landlord for years about buying that house at specific price. Then when she died they were consistently lied to by her children that the exact deal was still in place. At the last minute they had the rug pulled out from underneath them. They not only would've lost their home with nowhere else to go, but all the money they put into ensuring it would remain their home, not to mention whatever cost they incurred when they started doing improvements. As for whoever said the rent was cheap, $1600 a month in 2004 was not cheap. I moved out of a house that had 4 bedrooms & 3 bathrooms in 2003 & the rent at the time was only $600 a month. It was in a place with a LCOL but still the rent was $1,000 less than they were paying. Anyway they had every right to do what they needed to do to keep their home & none of the things they did were illegal, nor did they do any damages to the home itself. Also the owners could've waited a little longer to see if anyone else would make a bigger offer, but they chose to take the tenants offer, so that is completely on them. This was basically a situation of F around & find out. Also like OP said they were very rich ppl who stood to make less than 20grand each with the amount they raised the price. It was not some life changing amount & it was money they didn't need at all & was just them being greedy liars. It was life changing for OPs friends tho bc it was the difference between owning the home that was promised to them or having nowhere to go. Also like OP said his friends still had to pay more they just had the time now to get it together. So the greedy owners still got extra in the sale
Story #3: it's especially sad of you dialed MULTIPLE people MULTIPLE times and just because you couldn't bear to say sth all of those people you dialed MULTIPLE times just ignore you, don't call you back and give you the feeling that you don't mean anything at all to them! Like, if someone calls me once, Okey.. Happens. Twice, that's strange but Okey. But a third time?! I would try and call them back, try and call some who can help me locate them, anything to find out why they called me multiple times without saying sth! Maybe they are hurt, can't talk, etc..
Story 2: Did Nancy really think it was going to end any other way? Eventually, someone's going to ask questions, and if you don't have an answer, you're left holding the bag, trying to cover your actions. Story 3: A military chaplain doesn't usually pull rank until it's necessary. My aunt was former Air Force, and she said, "The company chaplain was the LAST person you wanted to piss off. They see all, know all, and they have a direct link to the CO of the base." They're not the snitches by any means, just the kind of people who know when to properly wield their power.
I was about halfway through AMS "A" school in Millington, Tennessee when we got a new instructor and they gave him oversight of our twice weekly PT training. This guy was an ex Jarhead and right away he said we weren't working hard enough and he was going to start PTing us like they did in the Marine Corps. I don't have a revenge story. I just told him that if I wanted tp PT like Marines, I would have joined the Corps. It did me exactly no good. Fortunately I only had a few weeks left to put up with that jerk.
Comments whining about the last story are very obviously landowners themselves. And they are ignoring the very important fact that there was a previously existing agreement that the new owners said they would keep but didn't, which makes them greedy untrustworthy liars, regardless of market or other considerations.
The navy story. Those two guys were bullies and probably ended up on some police force where they continued harassing people with the blessing of the higher command and in some cases being protected by "the badge."
The story with the female chaplain it's true when they say it's the quiet ones you have to watch out for and my family can vouch for the validity of it
The people against OP in the last story can kick rocks. The old lady made promises and passed away without being able to write them up officially. Her greedy jerk children tried to completely screw a struggling family that already started improvements on a frankly dump of a home. Those kids were scum. OP and co served up some justice. I bet the friends stayed a long time and may still be there. Some people like me have only owned one home. We've been here 21 years. OP and co are solid people
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Story 3: I love how the chaplain lady came down on those wannabe alpha male sailors like the wrath of Poseidon. I’m glad OP’s friend had a happy ending and I’d like to than both OP and his friend for their services in the US Navy
Being an old ex-Navy Electronic Tech myself (1980-1986) this story really peeves me off. Those two POs were true AHs! 😮
Former Navy myself as well and yeah good for Bill as for the 2 Petty Officer's they got what they deserved, and the OP isn't kidding getting a dishonorable discharge from any branch of the U.S. Military will kill pretty much any chances of getting a good or even decent job outside of the military (given that the military has tons of contracts with civilian businesses) with possibly the only exceptions being janitorial or other BELOW minimum wage jobs, the janitorial one probably not though given that the military uses contracted janitors in a lot of installations.
The Navy Chaplin story... Having served 27.5+ years myself in a training command it takes gross command negligence to NOT KNOW you had 2 bad apples spoiling the fruit of the Navy's apple tree. My experience is that the superiors of the Petty Officers law out their future should the activities continue... Or an unwritten way of experiencing the same treatment to maybe a tad greater extent over a long period of time to include evaluations much lower than they previously received which torpedoes any future ability to advance. They would have to prove to the Chaplain what got them there. Of course the Chaplain would enquire at the command via the Command Master Chief and get the truth of the matter. I did 3 tours in a training command. Those 2 clowns were not properly supervised by their command. I'm certain that some leadership within that command that wear kahkis both enlisteds and officers had their own careers impacted for their leadership failures as a result of the 2 petty officers actions going totally un-noticed.
Petty Officers (law) = lay
Actual alpha males don't act like that. And they won't admit to being an alpha on the rack.
Story 1: "None of your business on what we spend the money on" says the person that was lent money specifically to pay bills. Like, OP is not an ATM
Yup. When you owe someone else money, it literally IS their business.
"No, but it's my business what you spent MY money on!"
My friends used to do similar to me. They’d ring me up, saying “hey, we’re stuck on the roadside, can you lend us £10 for petrol?”, or, “hey, we’re at the shops but our card got declined, can you lend us….” Etc. without fail, towards the end of each month. They both didn’t work and I found out they were still doing things like spending £10 in cafes etc, so I put my foot down and told them I’m not their personal bank account, they need to learn to budget better. Needless to say they survived fine without my money.
Using the money I gave YOU on a tv instead of bills? Welp, my money, my tv 😅
Last commenter on the last post sounds like a real estate business person of some sort. So no, still an awesome event. I’m glad the people got to stay in their house.
Story 4: I don't think OP and crew were out of line at all. It was a damned clever scheme and it's telling that the neighbors were willing to do their part. They knew what was going on and it obviously didn't sit well with them, either. Those kids should have honored their mom's wishes and sold the house to the family at the agreed-upon price. It was the right thing to do.
They were completely out of line! Driving away competitive buyers to get the place for cheap? Unlawful. If their story is true, they should have rent it with the option to buy after the contract. It's a contract done at the very beginning when you rent any house, stating the amount of rent, the duration of the contract and the agreed selling price after the renting period.
This is simply criminal.
@@pedrodaniellopesferreira2916 Oh boohoo the wealthy landlords lost out on some more money they didn't even need, and the (gasp) peasants were allowed to remain in the home they'd probably paid for in rent already. Cry me a river.
@@pedrodaniellopesferreira2916The way I see it. A promise was made, and the rich landlord kids said they would honor that promise. Then they went back on that promise, attempting to kick these guys out of the home they were already working on because rich person greed. The OP fought back in order to make them hold to the promise and keep their home. Legalities aside, I see no moral quandaries here. I just see the little guy fighting back and winning over a bunch of immoral, rich, greedy, landlords.
@@pedrodaniellopesferreira2916 Verbal contracts are just as binding as written contracts. Unfortunately, they're a lot harder to prove. There's no question that the family and the woman should have put their agreement in writing. When the heirs agreed to to honor the terms of the woman's offer, they _definitely_ should have gotten that in writing. But they didn't, the heirs reneged, and there was fallout.
The heirs acted dishonorably and, if they truly were as wealthy as they were made out to be, why were they worried about a mere 80,000 dollars?
@@pedrodaniellopesferreira2916 Nah, what's criminal is how rent is going up to points that many people with well paying jobs are left homeless, all because mostly older generations want to milk every cent
For those unfamiliar, a Captain in the Navy is an O-6 officer, equivalent to a Colonel in the other branches. Just barely under an Admiral/General. They can RUIN you if you piss them off enough.
They were ruined alright. But being the narcissists they were, I’m sure none of what happened was their fault. My guess is they moved to Canada.
@@kristineguetschow9134 Depending on when it happened, a DD could be enough to disqualify them from immigrating to Canada legally. There's good odds that they're stuck in the US for the foreseeable future with absolutely no real prospects.
Former Navy here...sounds like took place in 90's early 2000 (maybe before that but difidently not after) because it sounds so familiar. Chaplains, bully higher ups and etc...oh the stories I could tell about the Navy
Granddad taught me "Never lend money to a friend unless you're prepared to lose both."
Story 4: This is literally just paying the a-hole tax. Could OP be lying? Sure, but lets be honest here going against an agreed on price to squeeze more money out of someone else is nearly unjustifiable. And the one guy commenting sounds like someone that would defend Nintendo for shutting down charity streams. (Yes that's real)
Thing is the children did not agree to anything and the tenants didn't have an agreement in writing. It was just a he said , she said with the tenants having no proof to back them up. Not sure many people would be OK selling property for a fraction of its value. Based on the word of the person wanting it. Tenants should have had it in writing.
@@huntjl88 I mean to be fair, it's Reddit and something will ALWAYS be missing. And what's crazy is in some states and in certain jurisdictions a verbal agreement/handshake is actually a legal binding contract for whatever was originally agreed upon. Writing makes it infinitely easier though lol.
The one who promise it was the old lady. Her children did not. They have no legal obligation to follow through with the deal. Although it's suck, who said life has to be fair all the time?
@@gorilladisco9108legal, but still shitty
The children did, in fact, promise it. After the old lady died it says the tenants and the heirs spoke and the heirs agreed to uphold her wishes.
And frnakly, making sure that a family gets to keep their house is more important than making sure that rich people get slightly richer.
Story 2: Welp, Nancy got greedy and it blew up in her face. Maybe DON'T lie about the hours and even steal from others next time, eh?
Never steal another employees hours! 😮
Story 3: My heart was sinking for the first half of the story; it was obvious Bill was going to make an attempt, but I honestly didn't expect him to survive. I'm surprised, and incredibly happy.
That last story: the difference here is the heir’s of the sweet old lady didn’t honor a previous business agreement and jacked up the price needlessly, they didn’t need the funds, they just wanted to squeeze as much as they could from the property.
Also, they didn't NEED to sell right then - if they thought the property was worth more they could have waited and re-marketed the property later. But, greed is very impatient - among other things.
Asking someone that neither knows nor cares about you to basically gift you 80k is ridiculous. What they did could be interpreted as morally slightly questionable but not wrong.
There was no previous business agreement, there were only tentative discussions, and they were with a completely different party anyway. The new owners weren't obligated to "honor" anything at all. That's not how the world works. Sure, it would have been *nice* if they'd decided to *give up part of their inheritance* out of the goodness of their heart for these people, but the tenants were _not entitled to that property_ in any way, just because the previous owner *said* that she *intended* to sell it to them (at a conveniently sizable discount) before she died.
But on the other hand, what they did was arguably not just dishonest, but *actually illegal.* They fraudulently *misled potential buyers for their own monetary gain,* pure and simple. Stealing from people isn't magically OK just because "we wanted it but we couldn't afford to pay for it", or because "somebody else said we could have it, so we don't care what the actual owner wants".
What's more, if the sellers actually figured out what they did, and could prove it, they probably could have successfully sued them for substantial damages, so this was very risky too.
(And how much money the sellers did or didn't have, or whether someone else thinks they "didn't need the money", or "didn't need to sell it", or whatever is all completely irrelevant, too. That's all just *rationalization:* They're excuses people make _because they know what they're doing is wrong_ but they want to pretend it's OK, and pretend they're actually the good guys, when they're actually not.)
I'm wondering if the 80k was to make the split between siblings easier. It's still wrong to say the price will be honored and then turn around and up it by that much and make it open market. Honoring an agreement will give you a better reputation in the area, especially since they now have a bunch of properties in the area to sell or rent.
@@foogod4237 What about the part where they had agreed to sell the house at the previously agreed price and the tenants had started investing labor and materials into improving the house? What part of that is not fraud?
Story 3: I can guarantee that those two instructors got a dishonorable administrative discharge.
They wouldn't have even needed to make up anything for paperwork for the type of hazing/harassment they did.
I know from personal experience that the Navy takes claims/attempts of wanting to unalive very seriously.
On the Medicare fraud case, I wouldn't be surprised if the prosecutor used the charges against the son as leverage to get the mother to plead guilty.
New York State need two investigators and three years to make a case? Yeah, NY resident- 100% can confirm.
my grand dad gave me the nest advice/ motto ever on this (first story),
"... never lend money you're not willing to lose, and if it's lost never forget to stand your ground..."
That last story was here in Australia. We only do this kind of thing when someone tries to distort the market. They had a deal with the owner and her greedy family tried to ruin it for nothing more than an extra cash gram to squeeze every cent out of her estate
Not on our watch. 🇦🇺
If I was the dude at the party I'd tell the buyer "sure this neighbourhood is great, you can get anything you want, weed, pills, smack, crack, you name it". Parties 24/7 you'll love it. Just don't piss off Big Jim. Or the Murphy's. And stay away from that end of the street, just walk up that way. And not after dark.
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In the last story as far as I’m concerned, the children reneged on a deal that was already established. When you do that, the rules go out the window and all bets are off. In that case, it’s all fear and war. They should’ve just honored the agreement and let it slide.
Yeah, that strikes me as a “legally wrong, morally okay” sort of situation, assuming everything is factual. There was an agreement the tenants would buy the property at a certain price, the new owners agreed to honor the deal, then they attempted to go back on the deal without notice or good-faith negotiation seemingly because they realized they left money on the table and the verbal agreement couldn’t be proven.
Sounds like if they were upfront about it going on the open market once it was free of the courts, or if they offered the tenants first refusal but at market price, then they could have sought out a bigger loan and the heirs gotten their money and the tenants the house... but they decided to be jerks about it.
@@jameslake7775 that’s exactly it. They didn’t even bargain or talk in good faith. But even beyond that, it was their mother‘s wish and desire that this go down the way it was supposed to. They didn’t even have the decency to honor their own mother‘s wishes.
I have to point out that we only have OP's word on that "agreement" to begin with, maybe she never even agreed to sell them the house at all, and they're just claiming she did now that she died (and can't say otherwise). I mean, they're obviously dishonest enough to fraudulently (and illegally) attempt to devalue the house for their own financial gain, so who says they're not also dishonest enough to just outright lie about what the old woman said too?
@@jameslake7775 *morally wrong, legally okay ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@gorilladisco9108 That's about old lady kids. While the person you're responding to was talking about OP and their friends.
Sure, it's none of his business what they spend their money on. But it IS his business what they spend HIS money on 😂
I disagree with the last comment. It was arguably fraudulent in the first place for the kids to say they're keeping to a deal, then quietly changing the terms of the deal for no other reason than pure greed, while the renters took out a loan based on the agreement they were never told was no longer on the table. This put the renters in a bad situation. It might have been under-handed, how they handled the situation, but what else could they do? Doesn't sound like there was any legal recourse for them. I say bottom line, don't just casually screw over people renting your property for a few extra bucks.
Immoral? Yes. Fraudulent? No. There are no deal between the children and the tenant. The deal was with the previous owner, and they didn't put it in writing, so it's quite difficult to prove it in court. It's suck, but life doesn't have to be fair all the time. And what OP did has bad karma written all over it.
@@gorilladisco9108 Re-read at 18:52 The kids assured them the sell would go through after probate.
@@richardinman4091 It's he said she said.
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@@gorilladisco9108 you must be fun at parties
@@Rudeus-r7r Really? Never went to one.
That last story, that commenter sounds like the type who is all about money and nothing else. Reminds me of this guy from where I used to live complaining on the city Facebook page a few years back. The city was building a small water park in the area, but he flipped out saying the local government should only be caring about lowering his taxes, raising his property values, and improving his quality of life. The whole part about raising property values really got me considering how insane the price of housing has become.
A really nice park actually does raise property values. It helps bring in families.
Ironically these tax justice warriors are generally the first to cry that private businesses should be allowed to do whatever they want whenever they want (up to and including allowing employees to die from safety negligence) and the government shouldn't interfere. Then a water park wants to open up near his house and he runs crying to the teacher government
Those people view it as your net worth equals your personal worth. (No net worth= worthless) and that is how the whole nation is. People need to get a good education and have at least 500,000 in the bank before they have worth. Take it from an old dying woman who is in horrible pain daily because her doctor views her as worthless so he's letting her die like a stray animal.
@@RunnyBabbitMom The USA is a horrible country. People view the US as rich, but we need to stop looking at the wealthiest 1% and realise the USA is a third World country with comparable levels of poverty to the nations that people look down on.
First story is a good example of a rule I always follow in life:
Never borrow _"friends"_ money unless you're comfortable with not getting it back...
Yup. If you can afford to give it to them, give it as a gift and maybe a good friend can return the favour one day. If you can't afford to give it to them, lend it to them, but be prepared to either lose the money or the friend, or both.
Last Story: Oh no, these poor rich people weren't able to rip somebody off for as much as they wanted.... Won't somebody think of the poor rich people...
Yeah, don't people realise how expensive Lear Jets are? Have some compassion, folks!
@@keithprice475 Forget about the jets, what about the 3rd and 4th summer homes?
And, 16 year old Entitled Daughter really needs that new Lambo..... 🙄
Not to mention the yacht within a yacht.
@@JamesDavy2009 Yo dawg I heard you like the ocean, so I put a yacht inside your yacht so you can relax and drink while you relax and drink
Story 3: God bringing down his wrath's on the petty officers.
More like petty excuses for officers.
Lol the housing market is not fair right now and hasn't been for years. That one guy is clueless. Even the government is looking into it right now.
Story 1: Those friends only saw OP as an ATM. They got what they deserved
Story 2: Nancy got WAY too greedy. I only hope Geri found out and cut contact with her sister. And I do feel for Jessica and her brother, who most likely had no idea.
Story 3: Those BULLIES *DESERVED* it. I bet they were either TRYING to get rid of Bill by any means possible, or they just didn't care about anything other than themselves.
Story 4: THIS is the epitome of a TRULY united neighborhood. As for that last comment, did he even read the definition of Gazumping at the start of the story? Or did he just miss the part that specified that the new owners were GREEDY bastards?
Wanting to sell something you own for *fair market price* instead of _giving it away at a discount to some random person you never knew_ is not "being greedy". Sure, it would have been *nice* if they had decided out of the goodness of their heart to just *give up part of their inheritance* to go along with what the old woman had *supposedly* said she wanted to do, but there's really no reason they have to. The residents weren't "entitled" to that house in any way. Sometimes bad things happen unexpectedly, and you just don't get to do what you'd hoped you would be able to. That's just life.
And on top of that, we only have OP's word on that "agreement" to begin with, maybe she never even agreed to sell them the house at all, and they're just *claiming* she did now that she died. I mean, they're obviously dishonest enough to fraudulently (and illegally) attempt to devalue the house for their own financial gain, so who says they're not also dishonest enough to just outright lie about what the old woman said too?
And "gazumping" only applies if there was a formal agreement to sell, which there wasn't, which was kinda the point of the whole thing.
@@foogod4237 Guess you're the idiotic comment from Story 4 then
@@foogod4237 I feel like you're missing the part where a very large number of people, who didn't benefit at all from whoever bought the home, including the op, all collaborated on this, out of the goodness of their hearts, and wasn't it specifically op's idea? Why is all of the blame going on the struggling family here. And just saying that op could have lied is incredibly dumb, anyone can lie about anything, we literally only have the story to go off of. You really just sound like you're defending the rich assholes, yes it's morally questionable but the morality of the siblings is drastically worse here, knowingly putting a struggling family in an impossible situation for a tiny bit of extra money? Sure they Can legally do that, but fuck off if you say that's morally right. The law is a pretty shit representation of what morality generally should be
@@willow6618 I think that the one who replied to me is the same who made the stupid comment in the original post
The last story was the opposite of what happened to my daughter and her husband. The dopers kept their clients away during the open show hours from 12 to 4. They got someones friends to bring some outdoor toys and also kids to play in the yard and have a barbeque for part of the open hours. The reators knew this was all fake due to previous open houses. They "forgot" to mention this to bidders on the property. Unfortunately my daughter and her husband won the bidding war. They were in the house for about a month when the dopers were back in full business operation. They complained to the realtors but got nowhere so they tried the police too. Nothing happened and they discovered one of the dopers was related to a town cop. They finally got help when another neighbor who moved in the neighborhood shortly after and
had a relative who ranked higher in the chain of command in the police force and was going to do something about the dopers. The dopers found out before the cops could do a raid and they left. This set of events took about 2 years from start to end.
Yeah, the key word for the rent price is "per week." $400 a week is around $1733.34 a month (after multiplying by 52 and dividing by 12).
No. It's $1600/month, stupid. 400 * 4 =1600, ya freakin' moron!
Yeah, the "per week" is the kicker. Must have been an expensive neighborhood
Did you mean $800 per week or per month, even with inflation the house you described could never fetch that kind of rent. $800 per week for a run down smelly house.
@@happygilmore2100 The OP in Story 4 literally said $400 per week.
@@Flashlight237 The O.P said $400 per week then and now was like $800, that was why, I said, even with inflation, $800 per week for a run down smelly house would not fly.
Friend, family or whatever, if they are sincere they won't mind signing a paper about the loan, and if they do mind.... then ya know they never intended paying it back ! SO DON'T LEND IT !
Mom needed enough money to buy the vacant lot next to my Grandfolks' house. If she owned the land outright, she could get a mortgage to put a used mobile home on the lot. So her parents loaned her the money, and she insisted on signing a promissory note. The next Christmas, Mom opened the card from her parents. Inside was her promissory note, marked "paid in full." I grew up in that mobile home. Nothing fancy, but it was warm and dry and safe and ours. And I was so lucky living next door to Grandma and Granddad.
Was the commenter in story 4 one of the kids??? Oh heavens, folks whose family was going to be homeless prevailed against greedy, unscrupulous folks who reneged on a deal. Sounds like something that person might do- in the case that even a verbal deal isn't honored; with a track record and listed proof that the original owner had done this same deal with others so that would have also been a mitigating factor.
"This is why you should never lend money to friends" is dead wrong. Friends help each other in case of need. It's just that you should 1) pay attention who you make friends with and 2) know who is your friend and who isn't.
My bookkeeping father always said: "Don't lend money unless you are willing/able to GIVE it away."
2 Best pieces of advice my grandfather ever gave me…don’t do business with family and/or friends….and don’t lend money you can’t afford to lose
That's the same advice my Father gave me. It is so true!
Story 1: pro tip if anything who's a friend of family asks for money from you to "get caught up" give it to them via a loan, because they owe you money on pen & paper, and if they get upset or complain, I guess they really don't need that money so badly
Story 2: Never, EVER, mess with people's paychecks. They will fight back.
And yet... Wage Theft is far and above the most common kind of theft in the US, and makes up the vast majority of thefts.
The first story: yeah ex friend who basically wanted to bleed me dry (I.E. make me poorer than poor). Had to cut the friendship off.
TV vs car repo story: They definitely FAFO! At least you got some money back... thanks to them not paying their car loan. The rest is definitely a write off.
Just a suggestion OP. If anyone else asks to borrow money to pay bills, pay the bill directly yourself so it goes to where it's supposed to go. That is if you choose to loan the money.
Home care story: The one I feel sorry for is the son. He MIGHT have been in on it, but it's likely he wasn't. Be he also got charged.
Discharge story: None of the services tolerate that type of BS, although like in this case getting it reported properly can be difficult. And just an fyi: A chaplain is not a line officer, i.e., not in the line/chain of command despite her rank as a Captain (O-6). That's why she had to go to the base commander, HE had the authority to convene a courts martial to have them discharged. (You can't "just" discharge them, you have to follow proper procedure and have them charged and tried as required in the UCMJ, the Uniform Code of Military Justice.) And that's also why the two petty officers didn't want Bill going to the chaplain, the chaplain speaking to the right person/people could have had them disciplined, though it might have saved their careers. I also suspect the guy with 18 years in had some disciplinary actions in the past if at 18 years he was still a petty officer and not a chief petty officer or higher. The 12 year guy may have had a few as well.
House story: NICE!
Story 1 - It’s so infuriating how people can treat people like living ATM machines. But at least OP got some revenge on those 2 lying jerks.
Story 3 - Damn! That wasn’t ProRevenge, those guys got Nuclear Revenge on them! I’m glad that Bill doing much better now.
Years ago my husband lent his brother money, $1000, which was to be paid back at $100 a month. He made 2 payments and said they needed to skip some payments to catch up on other bills. We were over hi house and his wife starts showing me all the new clothes she bought. I didn't say anything but when we got in the car I gave my husband an earful. He talked to his brother but still no payments. It took years for him to pay us back but not in cash, oh no. He was a roofer and gave us a discount on the price. That and many other things led my husband to very low contact with them and I have no contact. Needless to say we never lent money ever again.
I wasn't in the Navy but I was in the Army and let me tell you, never underestimate the power of a chaplain. They can be way tough, despite the stereotype of clergy being weak. I had a friend who got into some trouble, went AWOL, and came back. He was Catholic and went to confess to a Catholic chaplain. His superior went to the chaplain, demanding to know what the chaplain had been told about what the guy had done. Of course the chaplain couldn't tell him, seal of the confessional you know. HE got threatened but stood up to those getting on his case, and suffered no punishment.
The people that disagreed with OP and their friends in the last story are landlords
Story 3 made me almost tear up from anger towards the two instructors, and I rarely tear up. How can someone be this evil to treat a fellow navy like that? I was so glad to hear Bill made a full recovery and even got his life fully together, while the two instuctors lost it all.
First story,
Contracts, contracts, contracts!!
If it’s something like $50, then no.
However for a figure of $750 yes.
Write up a WRITTEN contract where you stipulate a certain date or sequence of giving the money back. If your ‘friend/s’ do not agree on these terms, no money. If your ‘friend/s’ agree, sign and date the contract, if no money is received, then you can go to small claims court and get money back, with interest and the other party will pay court costs. If they say they cannot pay, then it’s time for item/s repossession via court ruling. Friends or no friends, you have to look after yourself, no one else will..
😊😊Hello everyone, Hello Darkfluff! 😊😊 The caregiver story had to be DHS/DRS, The Department of Human Services. I was a traveling LPN whom worked there from 2005-2012. I dealt with bed sores/wound care on paraplegics & quadriplegics. It was incredibly easy to log hours you never worked if the person you work for allows it and at the time I was there early on you couldn't work for family. You filled in these time sheets and mailed them in and your paychecks came from the comptrollers office (I'm in Illinois).
Chaplain, WELL DONE, MA'AM!!
Story 4: I'm really surprised that anybody would side against the family and with the rich a-holes.
They're either rich a-holes themselves, or people who believe they're going to become rich a-holes. IOW, nobody worth listening to.
Wait. I clicked as soon as the notification popped, but *it's already been a minute? Boo. HE-LO, EVERYONE!! Story 1. I borrowed against my 401K to help a "friend" from getting evicted with her 4 year old son. She was going to pay me back during tax time, but she moved away and changed her number. I was in a terrible car accident just a year later, lost *my job, and am currently STILL disabled with everything in collections. That money would have been so helpful...
I am so sorry that happened. It's funny how people are desperate to get money, but not so desperate to repay money.
@@sallymoen7932 I've had someone tell me, "You knew you weren't ever going to get it back. Why are you mad now?" Lesson learned.
There's an old saying: If you lend someone money and never see them again, it was probably worth it....
@@Stephen-ro5jc That's what someone told me. "Small price to pay for future peace."
And that's why you should have a formal contract for repayment, even for friends and family. If you had found her again, you could have sued.
I NEVER loan money to ANYONE.
I might GIFT people SMALL amounts of money, but actual loans no, not worth the trouble.
If you do lend money, get a paper. Fun story my father-in-law was in the process of selling his house and buying a condo as he was downsizing. He asked me and my wife for a loan of about $10,000 and he would promise to pay it back once his house sold. My wife, God bless her, said OK but I need you to sign this paper. My father-in-law said why what for? You know I’m good for it. My wife said and I quote yes but if anything happens to you, that money comes off the top and it’s not part of any inheritance and I wanna make sure we get what is legally ours“. And my father-in-law smiled really wide and said I raised you right.
@@jamescaron6465 Boss father-in-law, great wife
@@JAYDOG1337Ashe was. They both were.
Story 1: Yes it's ok to help others financially for a legitimate purpose but my own rule is to never directly give the requestor the money. Instead, ask them to give you the payment address of the company they owe the funds to, and make the bill payment directly yourself. And then you negotiate payback terms and see if they do any of it. If they refuse such help or don't pay you back afterward (even in small installments), then write it off as a loss, never give them another loan, and let them float up their own creek.
story 1: When it comes to loaning money to family or friends I will only loan what I can afford to do without. Then if I don’t get paid I reserve the right to never loan them money again. That way I don’t feel vindictive, just disappointed
It was either band together to bring down the price or face being homeless. Anything is better than being homeless.
Story One: This happened to me when i was much younger, I guaranteed a loan of $1000 for some "friends" and they promptly bailed on me and refused to make any payments. I was pissed, so I went to there house late one night and poured a bag of sugar into the gas tank of there vehicle, apparently it ended up at a really dodgy garage who overcharged them to get the fuel system cleaned (they were bitching and moaning on facebook about it) They never contacted me, even though everyone knew it was most likely me (I couldn't care less about what people thought)
I was an in home supportive service provider for my mom. Most exhausting and stressful job there is. When she tried getting someone else there were a bunch of corrupted workers putting in time they didn't work for people similar to this story. They got caught, but since it is ghetto California there is a 4 strike warning system.
The last story, I don't think OP's friends was Aholes, the greedy kids could've played fair and given the family already living in the house who's landlord had said they was going to sell the home to them, but hey money. I have a similar story where a lady in my city who was good friends with my grandma gave my dad a skid steer because he had been the one who maintained it and rebuilt it every time her kids destroyed it, like catching it on fire, after she died, one of her kids tried selling it for the money, found a seller who asked to have it for a day to "test drive it" on the job, never returned it, didn't pay money for it, and when pressed, they said it didn't work so they left it on the side of the road.
Story 1: I would have told them that unless they pay me back in full right then, they would also be facing me in small claims court for the $700. And since they no longer have a car to get around, the court would automatically rule in my favor because they didn’t show up
I was hoping OP would buy out the debt and become the owner of the car!
@@cindydott452 that would have been the cherry on top of an already delicious revenge sundae
Story 1: OP in this story learned an important lesson about his two friends, I'm sorry it cost him $450.
Story 4: THESE are the landlords people should be mad at. Not just ALL landlords for the sake of hating landlords.
Jesus. Last comment is sour af
Story 2 is exactly why people are moving out of NY. People get paid to take care of their own family, which is already ludicrous. Taxes are sky high due to stuff like this.
"There's no way to prove that someone is actually there taking care of the person" WTF? Who thought this was not going to be a source of scams?
"Fair Market" my ass. rent prices these days are ridiculous, and those greedy mfs are part of the problem. Good on OP for screwing em over.
Takes the word "PETTY" officers to a whole new level.
Story 1: If you're going to lend money to someone that is greater than an amount that you can easily lose, PUT IT ON PAPER. Write up a little contract, who the money's coming from, who it's going to, the amount, what the money is for, the date the loan was given, and what the repayment schedule is. You sign it. They sign it. You take a picture of it. God willing if you're able, go get it notarized. Copies all around. Otherwise, be prepared to say goodbye to your money. And if you do put it on paper and they renege, that's some great evidence for any court proceedings.
It's even worse to lend money to family. You trust them and yet have to watch them not returning what is owed to you when you are struggling to pay your bills now that you are short of the money you lent them.
I worked in real estate circles for decades and applaud that family's attempts to keep the deal they had with their original landlord alive.
Something similar happened to a friend of mine. The heirs at first promised to abide to their relative's wishes but reneged after realizing how much money they could make by double crossing. And the double cross was against their own dead father(in my friend's case) because they knew exactly what he was going to do and had promised to do. They betrayed someone they claimed to love!
I think that you'll find that wealth is an addiction like any other and therefor can not be satisfied by feeding it. Having wealth only makes you want more wealth. And while I feel sorry for any addict, this type of addiction causes damages that are almost always external---hurting other people.
Story 1: My husband & I lent my so called "best friend" money to fix her fence as her neighbour was insisting that it be replaced. In Australia each neighbour is responsible for 50% of the fence. As so as she received the money she gambled it away on online gambling. As my husband and I were going through some personal problems at the time she took this as an opertunity to try and brake us up so she could get the money that she thought my husband had. She did know that this was the last of the money I inherited from my Grandfather. Needless to say that we never got the money back but my marriage is stronger than ever. Do not lean to friends.
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“Behind on bills” - in my last state we had a couple who got their friends to pitch in and “help” on rent because they claimed to be behind on bills. Within a month both of them has brand new tattoos and a lot of people who were pissed off at them.
First story: there is nothing new under the sun. “Neither a borrower nor a lender be, for a loan oft loses both itself and a friend, and bowering dulls the edge of husbandry.” Pelonius’ advice to Laertes in Hamlet.
Story 2: OP could press charges and/or file a civil suit for each forgery that Nancy committed on each time sheet.
Story 4: I can see it from both sides. The fact that the owners stated they would sell to the friends for the agreed price but then reneged on the deal is pretty shitty.
In Story 3, it's more likely that the 2 petty officers were discharge under "other than honorable" conditions rather than dishonorable. The reason is that a dishonorable discharge requires a court martial, which takes time. It's apparent that these guys disappeared, which indicates an Article 15 Captain's Mast. OTH discharges are almost as bad though.
When I was in highschool, I wanted to join the Navy. That is until I found out that women weren't permitted to serve on submarines. That's what I wanted, so i said no. It may sound weird, but i figured serving on a submarine was the closest I could get to service in space!
(Later found out that my eyesight was too poor anyway)
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Last Story: Nah, the owners literally lied to the friends and kept them from being ABLE to play fairly. Redditor was licking boots
Story 3 again: Medical retirement is at most 75% (not full pay) and is usually paid through the VA. It's also subject to evaluation. So it's possible that Bill might have recovered enough to have the amount lowered, though it's more likely that there would be at least some continual disability.
Last story, while I feel really bad for the opie's friends they should have gotten that in paperwork far before it even got down that line the lady should have had that in writing when she made the deal just in case anything happens because life is not guaranteed so you always get everything in writing
Oh no someone didn't to extort tens of thousands of dollars out of someone because someone pushed back, the horror. You KNOW that person is someone who wouldn't accept a price change, and don't ever believe them if they say otherwise.
Story 3: I can't believe the two people on a power trip can treat someone that way who was training to be a submarine Hunter for the same military
Story 3. Those officers never got out of frat boy college and boot camp hazing. Unfortunately since this activity has a don't ask don't tell sort of policy where it's tacitly approved so long as nobody dies in the military these guys took that to the extreme to the point where it finally went too far and they put someone's life in danger.
For those who don't know Navy ranks but understand Air Force or Army ranks... a Navy Captain is the equivalent of a Colonel.
CartographerGold669 sounds like a landlord 🙄
Story 3. Explains why my grandfather (retired navy) told me NOT to join the Navy and choose the Air Force. I didnt make it in either branch. Medically disqualified.
Bravo to OP in the last story!!
Story 2: I Never understood the part where they had to pay bk the money they steal if you are a fraudster. Pay bk the defrauded amount, then pay same amount in damages, and then same amount in punative damages... so $300k in this case.
If someone asks for help paying a bill and you are willing to help them, pay the bill directly do not give them cash. Pretty easy way to find out if they just wanted cash to spend on something else.
The world needs more honorable people not greedy people. Great job! 😎👌
To what the last commenter said about the people in the last story, OPs friends did nothing wrong and the fact that commenter thought they did says that he either would or has done this to others who had an agreement on a purchase of a house only to back out jack the price up and put it on the open market knowing that the tenants that had the agreement couldn't afford it and didn't care about making a family homeless just as long as they got more money to put into their already full pockets
Story 3 - it good that theae stories are getting less as more people grow a spine and learn how to deal with bullies the right way. 😊
Story 3: Karma's name is Chaplin. 😁
If you're going to lend people money, be it friends or family, always get them to sign a writen agreement, stating how much is owed and the date it is due by. That way, if they don't pay you pack, you can take them to court and you'll have proof of the arrangements. Otherwise, you have squat. And if they refuse to sign, then you refuse to lend them anything.
Rent prices are SO HIGH in the US, I swear in Italy most rents don't go higher than 600 Euros PER MONTH, not per week. Literally rent in the USA is about 5 times higher
Those who are against OP in the last story are AHs.
24:15 Ya... I did that twice and both times it bit me in the ass. One owes me north of 3k and another 2k. Never saw a dime from either.... Ya I don't help friends anymore with money.
I genuinely don't understand why the family in story 4 didnt just buy a plot and trailer in trailer park. It sounds like they had enough saved to buy it outright. Hell, depending on how much they had saved, they could have bought 2 smaller trailers to have the extra rooms. Like, i know outside certain rural US areas trailers are looked down on, but you can get a trailer with 3 respectable sized bedrooms for roughly 1/4 the price of a normal house. Even if they eventually want a house, if they buy land too, they could use the existing land to build on or use it as collateral for a better loan.
In that last story, they didn't do anything wrong. They had an agreement with their landlord for years about buying that house at specific price. Then when she died they were consistently lied to by her children that the exact deal was still in place. At the last minute they had the rug pulled out from underneath them. They not only would've lost their home with nowhere else to go, but all the money they put into ensuring it would remain their home, not to mention whatever cost they incurred when they started doing improvements. As for whoever said the rent was cheap, $1600 a month in 2004 was not cheap. I moved out of a house that had 4 bedrooms & 3 bathrooms in 2003 & the rent at the time was only $600 a month. It was in a place with a LCOL but still the rent was $1,000 less than they were paying. Anyway they had every right to do what they needed to do to keep their home & none of the things they did were illegal, nor did they do any damages to the home itself. Also the owners could've waited a little longer to see if anyone else would make a bigger offer, but they chose to take the tenants offer, so that is completely on them. This was basically a situation of F around & find out. Also like OP said they were very rich ppl who stood to make less than 20grand each with the amount they raised the price. It was not some life changing amount & it was money they didn't need at all & was just them being greedy liars. It was life changing for OPs friends tho bc it was the difference between owning the home that was promised to them or having nowhere to go. Also like OP said his friends still had to pay more they just had the time now to get it together. So the greedy owners still got extra in the sale
Story #3: it's especially sad of you dialed MULTIPLE people MULTIPLE times and just because you couldn't bear to say sth all of those people you dialed MULTIPLE times just ignore you, don't call you back and give you the feeling that you don't mean anything at all to them! Like, if someone calls me once, Okey.. Happens. Twice, that's strange but Okey. But a third time?! I would try and call them back, try and call some who can help me locate them, anything to find out why they called me multiple times without saying sth! Maybe they are hurt, can't talk, etc..
Third story. Bill, I hope your life turns out well. As fort he petty offices, I'm glad they got the shaft.
Last story. Good one, OP.
Story 2: Did Nancy really think it was going to end any other way? Eventually, someone's going to ask questions, and if you don't have an answer, you're left holding the bag, trying to cover your actions.
Story 3: A military chaplain doesn't usually pull rank until it's necessary. My aunt was former Air Force, and she said, "The company chaplain was the LAST person you wanted to piss off. They see all, know all, and they have a direct link to the CO of the base." They're not the snitches by any means, just the kind of people who know when to properly wield their power.
I was about halfway through AMS "A" school in Millington, Tennessee when we got a new instructor and they gave him oversight of our twice weekly PT training. This guy was an ex Jarhead and right away he said we weren't working hard enough and he was going to start PTing us like they did in the Marine Corps. I don't have a revenge story. I just told him that if I wanted tp PT like Marines, I would have joined the Corps. It did me exactly no good. Fortunately I only had a few weeks left to put up with that jerk.
Comments whining about the last story are very obviously landowners themselves.
And they are ignoring the very important fact that there was a previously existing agreement that the new owners said they would keep but didn't, which makes them greedy untrustworthy liars, regardless of market or other considerations.
Story 2: My mother is on a similar program in a different state, to keep track of hours they have an app with location checking to keep people honest.
The navy story. Those two guys were bullies and probably ended up on some police force where they continued harassing people with the blessing of the higher command and in some cases being protected by "the badge."
The dude that posted the comment after story 4 was definitely one of the siblings
The story with the female chaplain it's true when they say it's the quiet ones you have to watch out for and my family can vouch for the validity of it
The people against OP in the last story can kick rocks. The old lady made promises and passed away without being able to write them up officially. Her greedy jerk children tried to completely screw a struggling family that already started improvements on a frankly dump of a home. Those kids were scum. OP and co served up some justice. I bet the friends stayed a long time and may still be there. Some people like me have only owned one home. We've been here 21 years. OP and co are solid people