Why JOHN POWELL Won't Score A SUPERHERO MOVIE

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  • @FilmScoreandMore
    @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад +6

    Who's excited for Avengers: Endless Fights with a score by John Powell?

    • @QueenMonny
      @QueenMonny 4 месяца назад +1

      Not me. 😂 Not even with a score by John Powell.
      I can't stand movies with fights that are drawn out for dramatic effect. It doesn't increase tension for me, wondering if the "hero" will win the fight. It just annoys me. So I 100% understand why he wouldn't do another score for such a movie.

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад

      @@QueenMonny Fair enough!

  • @mannymarotta
    @mannymarotta 4 месяца назад +5

    Powell scored another documentary, actually! In 1999 he scored Disney's 'Endurance', a documentary about Ethiopian runners at the 1996 Olympics. The doc itself bombed, but Powell's score is incredible and I consider it in his top five works of all time.

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад +2

      Really? I’ll have to look into that. I wonder why he didn’t acknowledge it.
      Thanks for passing that on.

    • @mannymarotta
      @mannymarotta 4 месяца назад

      @@FilmScoreandMore Please do! Given your taste in Powell's scores, I think that you'd really enjoy this one.
      It was the third film he ever scored; he is credited as the composer on both the album and on Wikipedia. I imagine that he didn't acknowledge it because it was such a failure at the box office. But when you listen to a track like "Chasing the Bull," it's so obviously John Powell.

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад +1

      @mannymarotta Come to think of it, I think I’ve heard it come up in discussions of his work, maybe interviews.

    • @mannymarotta
      @mannymarotta 4 месяца назад

      @@FilmScoreandMore I hope you listen to it sometime!

    • @jfbsp1893
      @jfbsp1893 4 месяца назад

      @@FilmScoreandMore Only one thing to you know, the ost of endurance is all over the place, for some reason the credits of it are very strange in RUclips, every track has someone different in it for some reason even if it was Powell actually

  • @jjstarA113
    @jjstarA113 4 месяца назад +19

    I feel like Powell would've been a perfect fit for James Gunn's upcoming Superman (which John Murphy is scoring). While Gunn is certainly no stranger to lengthy, grisly fights - whether rated R or PG-13 - his movies do have things to say about masculinity, fatherhood, emotional maturity, kindness, found family, etc. And it appears the film is ducking a lot of the cynicism of recent installments in favor of the bright-eyed optimism that Supes is known for, so maybe JP would be a strong fit for this material and director. But regardless, there's still a lot to look forward to from Powell, like live-action Dragon, Wicked Part One (and presumably Part Two next year as well), and a Christmas(!) movie this December. The latter film, titled That Christmas, is being directed by Simon Otto, who was the head of character animation on the Dragon trilogy; Powell's admiration for animators is definitely real 😉.

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад +1

      I knew some were hoping Powell would sign on for Superman. And I get the sense that he just doesn’t see much in the genre regardless, only if he deems it “subversive” (which is subjective and he doesn’t seem to think for most of them).
      Those other projects are something to look forward to! I need to keep an eye on That Christmas, sounds intriguing.

    • @jfbsp1893
      @jfbsp1893 4 месяца назад +1

      I’m one of the guys that agree with you, and have to say: It’s really crazy how non ironically he practically made a Superman score two times, one for Hancock and other for call of the wild lol

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад +2

      @jfbsp1893 I thought I heard something in the Call Of The Wild that reminded me of Superman, but it was small.
      What reminded you of it?

    • @jfbsp1893
      @jfbsp1893 4 месяца назад

      @@FilmScoreandMore The last part of Buck takes the lead, 4:43 or 4:44 minute mark.
      But other than that, it’s because Superman IS from Kansas. A more folk style score could work really well.
      Oh, and snowy climb has a obvious feeling of “Superman has to stop a tragedy” ost.
      Oh, there’s also bolt that actually works well for Supes actually, more in the battle aspect

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад +1

      @@jfbsp1893 The Call Of The Wild has bits of a heroic adventure sound, but it still feels distinct from a full-on Superman score (to me).

  • @cjkalandek996
    @cjkalandek996 4 месяца назад +5

    That's sad, because his score for _X-Men: The Last Stand_ is in my top 3 favorite scores of the _X-Men_ film franchise (along with _Days of Future Past_ and _First Class)._
    I think he could bring a great sense of scale in a score for a superhero movie.

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад

      He could and he has. His X-Men score was definitely great. Hancock also has an excellent end credits theme.

    • @jfbsp1893
      @jfbsp1893 4 месяца назад

      Tbh I think that Last stand is only behind First Class, I have to say that Jackman, if free to do what he want, can be a beast too.

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад

      @@jfbsp1893 Pun intended? Because both movies have Beast?

    • @jfbsp1893
      @jfbsp1893 4 месяца назад

      @@FilmScoreandMore Now, it is one lol

  • @QuatarTarandir
    @QuatarTarandir 4 месяца назад +4

    Although I'm a super big fan of superhero movies, I can't really blame him because a lot of movies are kinda the "endless fights". Sometimes, of course, it matters to the movie, but other times it really is just fights for the sake of fights. Still would love to see the score he could make for the right superhero movie

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад +1

      It definitely varies quite a bit. And seemingly no one has approached him with something he’s really interested in (in a while).

  • @RedCaio
    @RedCaio 4 месяца назад +5

    His X-Men score is sooo good. I love the stolen superman ostinato repurposed for an edgier super hero sound

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад

      Have you heard it in Hancock? It works great there in the context of Hancock trying to step up and be an actual hero.

  • @ShayGamerD3
    @ShayGamerD3 4 месяца назад +1

    He is definitely one of the most talented composers out there, miles ahead most of others in the industry. I don't want him to score superhero movies either. But adventure movies, like Solo, that's a different thing. Hopefully he'll find time for those. His former collaborator, Harry Gregson-Williams, is doing lots of 'historical' projects, like The Gilded Age, The Last Duel, now Gladiator II, so it would be interesting to see Powell to try this genre too.

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад +1

      I’d love something like that! And obviously I want him to love what he scores.

  • @Sportsbikeguy
    @Sportsbikeguy 2 месяца назад

    X3: The Last Stand is one of the greatest film scores ever written. It's so diverse in its representation of the different characters' emotional states, be it ArchAngel, Jean Grey or Kitty. It's such a well crafted score. John Powell, you are a gift to cinema.

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  2 месяца назад

      It's a good score! Definitely one of the highlights of the movie.

  • @manvith_poojary
    @manvith_poojary 4 месяца назад +1

    That Into The Hole and Toothless Flies Alone theme in the background 😅

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад

      Yeah, I know it’s out of place. I’m working on getting better background music, I’m afraid it just didn’t work out for this one.

    • @manvith_poojary
      @manvith_poojary 4 месяца назад

      @@FilmScoreandMore It dosent feel out of place, instead i think that was a great choice, Fills in the void for Voice-Over videos.
      I commented because that was unexpected.

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад +1

      @manvith_poojary Thank you, but I really do need another solution. I’ve just been copy and pasting the same background music tracks from previous videos for too long.

  • @Cinemax-or7xy
    @Cinemax-or7xy 4 месяца назад +1

    John Powell would have been the perfect music composer for a Flash movie. Just listen some of his tracks for Disney's Bolt, it's really great !

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад

      I'm sure he would have, if only he wanted to.

    • @jfbsp1893
      @jfbsp1893 4 месяца назад

      Flash, Superman, Green Lantern, and Static Shock, Plastic man, booster gold…
      He could do one score for any Superhero tbh lol

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад

      @@jfbsp1893 Hey, he always does a “good job.”

  • @ShabatMP5
    @ShabatMP5 4 месяца назад +2

    If i make a superhero movie my first choice would be John Powell.. i'd make it my cinematic mission to convice him to sign on lol
    I totally get him and respect him af, and i'm glad he's making music he believes in

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад +1

      I wonder what it would take to convince him? You might have to make Hancock 2, of course I have no idea what his experience was on that one. He might hate it, even though he did a “good job.”

    • @MRGI0RGI0
      @MRGI0RGI0 4 месяца назад +1

      @@FilmScoreandMore I think it would go like "Well it has to be orchestral, rich and just have you do it the way you feel it should be. Don't let yourself be influenced by no big percussions and ostinatos. just make it rich !"

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад

      Sounds like a good pitch!

    • @ShabatMP5
      @ShabatMP5 4 месяца назад

      Yeah i would put an emphasis on how the character themes and motifs he'll create will drive the plot forward and take center stage in alot of the movie.
      And give him 90% precent of the budget as salary should do it

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад +1

      @@ShabatMP5 John Powell often creates themes centered around story ideas instead of characters, to represent what the characters stand for instead of the characters themselves. So he would definitely create something interesting.
      Although, I'm not sure 90% of the budget is actually feasible. I doubt he'd need it anyway.

  • @bowserbreaker2515
    @bowserbreaker2515 4 месяца назад

    Most good superhero movies already have good scores. I'm glad he's sticking to what he wants to do. the HTTYD trilogy has an incredible score. And his work on KFP 1 and 2 was great as well. He's better at drama than endless fights.

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад

      He’s definitely good at what he does, and I’m glad he knows what he prefers.

  • @martindenham2207
    @martindenham2207 4 месяца назад

    An interesting analysis. One thing I've noticed over the years has been the push to get a composer to write in a particular style rather than hiring the composer who's style best fits the movie. Until maybe the mid 2000's, there were lots of composers working that all had very distinct styles. Then John Barry, Jerry Goldsmith, Elmer Bernstein, Basil Poledouris & Michael Kamen died. Since then, movie music (and TV music) has gotten quite generic with a shift towards ostinato, rhythmic, soundscape over melody. Movie music styles obviously change and adapt with the times, but I'm not sure where movie music is now is an evolution of where it was. It just seems that music is treated like a necessary evil that can be buried in the dub rather than the emotional core of the movie that needs to be heard. Just my thoughts.

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад +1

      One of the things John Powell said he prefers about animation is it at least gives him an opportunity to write melodies, something that seemed to be lacking in his live action requests.

    • @martindenham2207
      @martindenham2207 4 месяца назад

      @@FilmScoreandMore Amazing. Thanks for sharing that

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад +1

      @martindenham2207 No problem! Those full interviews are in the description, they’re worth checking out.

    • @martindenham2207
      @martindenham2207 4 месяца назад

      @@FilmScoreandMore Cool. I love anything to do with film music

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад

      @@martindenham2207 Yeah, I always link my sources.

  • @rayanissaad5473
    @rayanissaad5473 4 месяца назад +2

    Would Powell score a Pixar, Hasbro, anime, horror or video game movie?

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад +1

      He said (I think in the same interview) he feels the same way about horror. It’s the same tension/release function, he just doesn’t find joy in it.

    • @rayanissaad5473
      @rayanissaad5473 4 месяца назад +1

      @@FilmScoreandMoreDo you think Pixar or Hasbro will ever hire him?

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад +1

      @rayanissaad5473 Pixar, maybe. But I don’t know how good he is at making toys.

    • @rayanissaad5473
      @rayanissaad5473 4 месяца назад +1

      I meant to score one of their upcoming movies. It could be either Monopoly, Clue, G.I. Joe: Ever Vigilant, the Play-Doh movie, the G.I. Joe and Transformers crossover movie or perhaps maybe a film continuation of Hanazuki: Full of Treasures.

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад +1

      @rayanissaad5473 You never know. His career has a lot of surprises. For example, he’s scoring the upcoming Wicked movie. He does a lot of things you might not expect.

  • @billysaber7
    @billysaber7 4 месяца назад

    Do you think John Powell's style would fit in an animated film like Into and Across the Spider -Verse? I mean it is animation and it has many scenes with emotional depth, and fun action sequences that, at least to me, don't feel like endless fights. Though I have to say, I wouldn't change the more electronic music of Daniel Pemberton, as his music style is great and really fits that world (perhaps you could make a video on that?).

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад

      He could do a good job! Check out his theme for Hancock, which has electronics in it.
      The same could be said for other superhero movies, but he doesn’t seem to have any interest in it.
      ruclips.net/video/Pc0idx7ACJk/видео.htmlsi=lHf8qFM31CIXuzIy

    • @jfbsp1893
      @jfbsp1893 4 месяца назад

      He already made one score like that, for Adventures of Pluto nash.
      ruclips.net/video/pJNUDhaolsc/видео.htmlsi=OFe5IDIraXGUUT-0

    • @jfbsp1893
      @jfbsp1893 4 месяца назад

      ⁠@@FilmScoreandMore Pluto nash is more accurate. ruclips.net/video/pJNUDhaolsc/видео.htmlsi=OFe5IDIraXGUUT-0

    • @jfbsp1893
      @jfbsp1893 4 месяца назад

      Listen to his adventures of Pluto nash score and you will know that he could.

    • @jfbsp1893
      @jfbsp1893 4 месяца назад

      @@FilmScoreandMore Also adventures of Pluto nash

  • @roarmbee7045
    @roarmbee7045 4 месяца назад

    I mean, not all superhero movies are action movies, for example Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 2 doesn't have a lot of actions, and the movie focused more on the character driven dialogues

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад

      I know there's more substance and variety to them, but John Powell doesn't seem to see much value in them. At least not enough.

  • @scottriddell3514
    @scottriddell3514 2 месяца назад

    He is the composer of animation

  • @MamaSymphonia
    @MamaSymphonia 4 месяца назад +1

    Well... never say never!

  • @joshuaprier2670
    @joshuaprier2670 4 месяца назад +1

    What's the deal with the John's creating the best movie scores

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад

      Maybe it’s all in the name?

    • @Geronimo_Jehoshaphat
      @Geronimo_Jehoshaphat 4 месяца назад

      John Barry
      John Williams
      John Scott
      John Morris
      John Debney
      John Frizzell
      John Powell
      John Ottman
      John Murphy
      John Paesano
      John Lunn
      Jon Brion
      Jon Hopkins
      Johnny Klimek
      Johnny Greenwood
      James Horner
      James Newton Howard
      Howard Blake
      Howard Shore
      Jerry Goldsmith
      Jerry Fielding
      Trevor Jones
      Trevor Rabin
      Trevor Morris
      Michael Kamen
      Michael Nymen
      Michael Small
      Michael Penn
      Mychael Danna
      Michael Giacchino
      Michael Wandmaker
      Alan Silvestri
      Alan Menken
      Mark Isham
      Mark Knopfler
      Mark Mancina
      Mark McKenzie
      Marc Shaiman
      Marc Streitenfeld
      Marco Beltrami
      Marcelo Zarvos
      Randy Edelman
      Randy Newman
      Joel Goldsmith
      Joel McNeely
      Cliff Eidelman
      Cliff Martinez
      Christopher Young
      Christopher Tin
      Christopher Benstead
      Christophe Beck
      Chris Boardman
      Clint Eastwood
      Clint Mansell
      Clinton Shorter
      David Raksin
      David Shire
      David Newman
      David Arnold
      David Holmes
      David Buckley
      David Hirschfelder
      David Foster
      Dave Grusin
      Harold Faltermeyer
      Harry Gregson-Williams
      Craig Safan
      Craig Armstrong
      Alexander Courage
      Alex North
      Alexandre Desplat
      Danny Elfman
      Daniel Licht
      Daniel Pemberton
      Daniel Hart
      Dan Romer
      Paul Williams
      Paul Hertzog
      Paul Buckmaster
      Paul Haslinger
      Stephen Sondheim
      Stephen Warbeck
      Steven Price
      Steve Jablonsky
      Bill Conti
      Billy Goldberg
      William Ross
      Robert Folk
      Rob Lane
      Richard Harvey
      Richard Robbins
      Richard Band
      Richard Gibbs
      Richard Marvin
      Brian May
      Brian Tyler
      Joseph Trapenese
      Joseph Bishara
      Joseph Vitarelli
      Joe Hisaishi
      Joe Kraemer
      Thomas Newman
      Thomas Bergersen
      Tom Holkenborg
      Tom Tykwer
      Tom Howe
      Thom York
      Patrick Doyle
      Patrick O'Hearn
      Patrick Cassidey
      Patrick Williams
      Jeff Rona
      Jeff Danna
      Jeff Russo
      Geoff Zanelli
      Nicholas Pike
      Nicholas Britell
      Nicholas Hooper
      Nick Glennie-Smith
      Nick Phoenix
      Klaus Dolinger
      Klaus Badelt
      George Duning
      George Fenton
      George S. Clinton
      George Kallis
      Georges Delerue
      Giorgio Moroder
      Bruce Broughton
      Bruce Smeaton
      Bruce Fowler
      Aaron Copland
      Aaron Zigman

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  4 месяца назад +1

      @@Geronimo_Jehoshaphat Is that just every composer?
      Ryan Leach once pointed out to me "Hans" is also German for "John," so go ahead and put him in there too.

    • @Geronimo_Jehoshaphat
      @Geronimo_Jehoshaphat 4 месяца назад

      @@FilmScoreandMore
      Yeah, just every film composer I can think of who share a first name.
      John sure wins.
      I now added Jeff, Nick, Klaus, George, Bruce, Aaron and Howard.
      What's really surprising is I can't come up with more that two for James.
      From now on it's John Zimmer! 😂

  • @tarcisiuspier
    @tarcisiuspier 4 месяца назад

    4:47 UK's framerate regulation.

  • @Loki1982axala
    @Loki1982axala 4 месяца назад

    Maybe because he already did.

  • @Cheeks730
    @Cheeks730 Месяц назад

    powell is a perfect example of wasted talent because of personal politics. He could of been legendary composer but all he does is kids animated movie cause he's a pacifist and doesn't like violence

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  Месяц назад

      But is it wasted talent if he's choosing the projects he wants? Is being a legendary composer his goal?

    • @Cheeks730
      @Cheeks730 Месяц назад

      @ personally I think so and it’s not like he’s choosing super deep animated movies. He’s freakishly talented but it’s wasted on movies like migration, ice age etc etc. when he was announced for star wars I almost lost my mind and he delivered.

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  Месяц назад

      @@Cheeks730 I see what you mean, but I disagree that it's wasted. He's not a vessel just for music, he's a person with preferences. He prefers animation over live action, although it's worth noting he has two projects out this month - one live action and one animated. Wicked and That Christmas.

    • @Cheeks730
      @Cheeks730 Месяц назад

      @ very excited for wicked, he likes movies in general but he does animation cause they don’t have violence in them and crazy action. I’m sure he likes animation but from all the interview I’ve seen he likes them cause there’s no shooting killing etc etc. he’s the most talented composer to come out of RCP but unfortunately he’s wasting his potential but if he loves what he does than hey I’m happy for him

    • @FilmScoreandMore
      @FilmScoreandMore  Месяц назад

      @ He loves animation for sure, but for multiple reasons. One of them is he finds live action is increasingly limiting in the type of music he’s allowed to write, that animation at least allows him “to write melodies.”