Does this change the way you look at Marion's Theme and Marion's relationship with Indiana Jones? I don't just take it for granted anymore that he's the hero and she's the leading lady. Like John Williams, I already loved both and the story, but now I feel there's extra depth there, thanks to Williams and others who have analyzed his score. Here's my analysis of Indy's Theme: ruclips.net/video/waEvYIu7N7Q/видео.html
For what it’s worth, when John made an official arrangement for the theme in 2008, he titled it “Marion’s Theme” as in “a theme just for the lady, not “Indy and Marion” or something like that. I think while it doubles as a love theme, it is also a theme for Marion alone in John’s mind.
Of course, it's always been titled "Marion's Theme" and Williams has directly stated he wanted to write a theme for her. But as Dr. Audissino points out in his book that's only part of the function of the theme in the story.
Man I am so proud of you for sticking with this and making these videos ♥ I think it's cool that you slant more towards the universe lore and theorycrafting than hard music theory, and honestly I think that's a pretty smart angle for your channel, numbers wise. Keep it up!
Thank you, I always appreciate your feedback! Honestly, I don’t know that much music theory. When I do discuss it it’s minimal and quoting others, like Dr. Audissino and Brad Frey in this video. The storytelling is just the best way to do it, I think. It’s all about how the music supporting the story.
Been chewing on this idea a while myself, but I like where you went with the musics honesty. I thought the music didn’t match Marion’s character because it describes how Indy sees her, but it makes sense that it’s less of a perspective thing than it is Williams bringing their real relationship to light. Gonna keep this in my brain.
I'm writing an arrangement of this theme for a college assignment. I search for the original score for reference and this video popped up. Thanks for reminding me why I love this soundtrack so much!
@@FilmScoreandMore the ways in which you clearly articulate how Williams’s work almost acts as a full on conversation is something I’ve never really seen in such a concise yet informational format. Keep up the great work
@@stryflon1433 I'm glad it comes off that way. They say music has a question and answer format, so I think the same thing works well in an analysis video. I ask "Why does it sound like this, why is it a leitmotif but not for her?" and then I provide those answers (with examples). I think that's the way to go.
Thank you, this one was tough! It’s full of contradictions, so I had to make sure each point got its time and was made clear before contradicting it. And the ending had to be “Is it love? It is, but it’s not satisfying. But they do get together, but then they don’t, but then they do.”
It didn't change the way I look at their relationship, because the movie makes it abundantly clear how they feel about each other. But again, your analysis really drove home to me HOW the music makes sure that you also feel the correct moods instead of only knowing logically what happens. I mean, I know that music is essential to make a movie work, but my lack of knowledge forces me to find other to explain to me what exactly it is in the music that makes the magic happen. Of all the great movies, it usually is the theme that we remember first and how it made us feel. Only after that you start to remember what actually happens in them.
That makes sense. I wouldn’t have known any of this if I hadn’t heard John Williams’ interpretation. It helps to take a step back from the plot you already know and reconsider what the filmmakers thought.
@@FilmScoreandMore I definitely agree that Marion’s Theme is more of a love theme and I’ve always felt that way when watching Raiders. It‘s notably similar to Han Solo and the Princess, which was composed around the same time and John Williams likely intended for them to emanate similar emotion. You rightfully point out it’s only used in scenes about Indy *and* Marion’s relationship, and not just for her character alone. This contrasts to Princess Leia’s Theme, which is mostly used for her character, as the title would suggest. I’ve always felt that Leia’s theme is incredibly innocent and sanguine, which I don’t think would be the same for Marion if she truly got her own theme (dedicated to her character and not just her relationship with Indy). I imagine it would be a more troubled version of Leia’s theme, with less optimism, but John Williams likely would’ve kept them sounding similar. Though, Marion has her tough persona as a bartender and that somewhat disappears when she’s taken out of that environment, so perhaps Marion’s Theme, while a love theme, is apt for her character. It has that doubt and sorrow which she evokes in the bar, mixed with the more lightheartedness found in Cairo. I watched Empire Strikes Back yesterday (what a coincidence) and still get such a kick out of how Princess Leia’s Theme is expanded upon to create the love theme with Han. You can of course hear how Leia’s theme has matured, mirroring her character and how she opens up to Han’s advances. And to round off my comment, your edited teaching scene at 1:50 and abrupt cut to Han in carbonite at 2:15 both made me chuckle immensely. A superb film score analysis, once again, and if I was Indy, I’d tip my hat to you.
@@FilmScoreandMore First and foremost I'm also a huge John Williams fan. I own practically every score he's ever done. I loved how you analysis showed the different sides of Marion. Her playfulness, her pain, her sensuality and her complicated relationship with Indy. Even a little bit of mystery about her (at least at the time this movie was filmed). I've always loved the theme but I think its extra special now and not just something that "plays" when she's on screen.
I’m glad all that came across. That was my goal, to show it in this different light I’ve discovered upon research. What are some of your other favorite Williams scores? I’m a big fan of Catch Me If You Can, I did a whole analysis video for the movie. It really stands out among other scores.
@@FilmScoreandMore That's a good one! Very underrated imo. I love all of the well known favorites of course (Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Jaws, Superman, Harry Potter, ET, Close Encounters etc...) but some of my not so well known favorites would be The Cowboys (John Wayne), SpaceCamp (Kate Capshaw) and two Presidential films, JFK (Kevin Costner) and Nixon (Anthony Hopkins).
Just discovered your channel and really enjoying it! Your music interpretations are incredible (I know precious little about music theory), comedy is great, and your editing skills are top-notch. The quick cuts are fantastic.
Thanks for the feedback, this is always really valuable! I understand the storytelling better than music theory, so I don’t get too technical and always make sure to name sources for those areas. Let me know what you think of my other videos!
@@FilmScoreandMore Of course, I got your video analysis of the Indy theme in my recommendations. I am a self-taught composer with a dream to one day start writing music for films, and videos of this genre on RUclips (by various authors) have greatly contributed to my understanding of sheet music, reading scores, using motifs and so on. So I'm not surprised that your video got into my recommendations. What did I like in your video? I like that you ask the right questions about the meaning of this or that theme and give a logical answer that you can agree with. I also like that you thoroughly familiarized yourself with the material.
@@FilmScoreandMore Marion's theme is great and when I started it twice in the new movie about Indy, when he was talking about what happened to his relationship because of Mutt's death, and in the final scene, it broke my heart. This is a very beautiful motif in itself and Williams used it correctly in the new film
Williams absolutely knows what he’s doing with his music. I like that the theme stays consistent and doesn’t simply announce “Marion’s here.” It has more purpose.
@@FilmScoreandMore Definitely how 'Marion's theme' is used in such a contradictory way. I had never though of that before. It seems like theme doesn't actually represent Marion at all but instead represents the idea of Marion from Indy's perspective.
Thank you, I know this took a lot longer than expected; exactly forty days according to RUclips. The Ark Theme could absolutely warrant a video, and once again there's plenty about it in Audissino's book. I just haven't written a script for a video yet.
I’m glad. That one took a lot of time and work and just did okay, so it’s great that my recent Indy video gave it a push and brought more attention to it.
Well, John Williams said that Leia's theme was supposed to be a love theme for Luke and her because he learned they were siblings only after the first movie was released.
There are a couple sources. Brad Frey’s reduction and analysis on the boat scene is linked in the description. There are other channels like David McCaulley and Music Score Exchange that do the same thing. When I make these I always have to know exactly how much of the music I’m using and mock it up, then screen record it. Sometimes it’s just part of a flute solo, sometimes it’s the whole string section, and sometimes like the very first one in this video I simplify and combine staves into one. I can tell you a little more if you send me an email through my channel page.
Does this change the way you look at Marion's Theme and Marion's relationship with Indiana Jones? I don't just take it for granted anymore that he's the hero and she's the leading lady. Like John Williams, I already loved both and the story, but now I feel there's extra depth there, thanks to Williams and others who have analyzed his score.
Here's my analysis of Indy's Theme: ruclips.net/video/waEvYIu7N7Q/видео.html
For what it’s worth, when John made an official arrangement for the theme in 2008, he titled it “Marion’s Theme” as in “a theme just for the lady, not “Indy and Marion” or something like that.
I think while it doubles as a love theme, it is also a theme for Marion alone in John’s mind.
Of course, it's always been titled "Marion's Theme" and Williams has directly stated he wanted to write a theme for her.
But as Dr. Audissino points out in his book that's only part of the function of the theme in the story.
Man I am so proud of you for sticking with this and making these videos ♥ I think it's cool that you slant more towards the universe lore and theorycrafting than hard music theory, and honestly I think that's a pretty smart angle for your channel, numbers wise. Keep it up!
Thank you, I always appreciate your feedback! Honestly, I don’t know that much music theory. When I do discuss it it’s minimal and quoting others, like Dr. Audissino and Brad Frey in this video. The storytelling is just the best way to do it, I think. It’s all about how the music supporting the story.
Been chewing on this idea a while myself, but I like where you went with the musics honesty. I thought the music didn’t match Marion’s character because it describes how Indy sees her, but it makes sense that it’s less of a perspective thing than it is Williams bringing their real relationship to light. Gonna keep this in my brain.
It seems to be both. It definitely feminizes her more and shows Indy's perspective while also telling the story.
Been waiting for this video since the Raider's March video, thank you so much. Please more Indiana Jones
I'm glad it was worth the wait! There's definitely room for more Indiana Jones!
I'm writing an arrangement of this theme for a college assignment. I search for the original score for reference and this video popped up. Thanks for reminding me why I love this soundtrack so much!
I’m glad, I know that feeling too! Good luck with your assignment, I hope it goes well.
@FilmScoreandMore Thanks, friend!
I'm absolutely obsessed with these film score analysis videos. Thank you so much for the dedication to this content!!!
Thanks! What stood out to you the most in this?
@@FilmScoreandMore the ways in which you clearly articulate how Williams’s work almost acts as a full on conversation is something I’ve never really seen in such a concise yet informational format. Keep up the great work
@@stryflon1433 I'm glad it comes off that way. They say music has a question and answer format, so I think the same thing works well in an analysis video. I ask "Why does it sound like this, why is it a leitmotif but not for her?" and then I provide those answers (with examples). I think that's the way to go.
The amount of work you put into these score deep dives is fantastic!
Thank you, this one was tough! It’s full of contradictions, so I had to make sure each point got its time and was made clear before contradicting it. And the ending had to be “Is it love? It is, but it’s not satisfying. But they do get together, but then they don’t, but then they do.”
Remember Han Solos dream in carbonite is of his alternate life as Indiana Jones.
I don’t know if that’s canon exactly, but it’s a fun thought. He’d have to have quite the imagination.
@FilmScoreandMore if you spot the SW Easter Eggs in the Jones movies it makes sense it's all in Solos dream .
Such a brilliant analysis. You expand what makes something great in a very concise and thoughtful manner. The editing of this video is also so funny
Thank you, this one took a lot of work.
It didn't change the way I look at their relationship, because the movie makes it abundantly clear how they feel about each other. But again, your analysis really drove home to me HOW the music makes sure that you also feel the correct moods instead of only knowing logically what happens.
I mean, I know that music is essential to make a movie work, but my lack of knowledge forces me to find other to explain to me what exactly it is in the music that makes the magic happen.
Of all the great movies, it usually is the theme that we remember first and how it made us feel. Only after that you start to remember what actually happens in them.
That makes sense. I wouldn’t have known any of this if I hadn’t heard John Williams’ interpretation. It helps to take a step back from the plot you already know and reconsider what the filmmakers thought.
Fantastic video. I really like the comparison you made between this theme and Lea. Spot on!
Thank you, I appreciate that you checked it out. I knew enough people compare and confuse these themes that I needed to address it.
I’ve SO been looking forward to this video - absolutely adore your content!!
I’m glad to finally see you here! What stood out to you most in this one?
@@FilmScoreandMore I definitely agree that Marion’s Theme is more of a love theme and I’ve always felt that way when watching Raiders. It‘s notably similar to Han Solo and the Princess, which was composed around the same time and John Williams likely intended for them to emanate similar emotion. You rightfully point out it’s only used in scenes about Indy *and* Marion’s relationship, and not just for her character alone. This contrasts to Princess Leia’s Theme, which is mostly used for her character, as the title would suggest.
I’ve always felt that Leia’s theme is incredibly innocent and sanguine, which I don’t think would be the same for Marion if she truly got her own theme (dedicated to her character and not just her relationship with Indy). I imagine it would be a more troubled version of Leia’s theme, with less optimism, but John Williams likely would’ve kept them sounding similar. Though, Marion has her tough persona as a bartender and that somewhat disappears when she’s taken out of that environment, so perhaps Marion’s Theme, while a love theme, is apt for her character. It has that doubt and sorrow which she evokes in the bar, mixed with the more lightheartedness found in Cairo.
I watched Empire Strikes Back yesterday (what a coincidence) and still get such a kick out of how Princess Leia’s Theme is expanded upon to create the love theme with Han. You can of course hear how Leia’s theme has matured, mirroring her character and how she opens up to Han’s advances.
And to round off my comment, your edited teaching scene at 1:50 and abrupt cut to Han in carbonite at 2:15 both made me chuckle immensely. A superb film score analysis, once again, and if I was Indy, I’d tip my hat to you.
All very well said! Yes, you’re right that Leia’s Theme plays more specifically for her and develops with her, I hadn’t fully realized that.
@@FilmScoreandMore Apologies for the extra-long comment!
No apologies necessary, I think you put it very well!
Instant sub! This is really great analysis of Williams music. Well done!
Thanks, welcome aboard!
What else do you want to see?
This was outstanding! From this Indy fan, thank you for this video!
Thank you! As an Indy fan what stood out to you the most? What did you learn, what did you like?
@@FilmScoreandMore First and foremost I'm also a huge John Williams fan. I own practically every score he's ever done. I loved how you analysis showed the different sides of Marion. Her playfulness, her pain, her sensuality and her complicated relationship with Indy. Even a little bit of mystery about her (at least at the time this movie was filmed). I've always loved the theme but I think its extra special now and not just something that "plays" when she's on screen.
I’m glad all that came across. That was my goal, to show it in this different light I’ve discovered upon research.
What are some of your other favorite Williams scores? I’m a big fan of Catch Me If You Can, I did a whole analysis video for the movie. It really stands out among other scores.
@@FilmScoreandMore That's a good one! Very underrated imo. I love all of the well known favorites of course (Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Jaws, Superman, Harry Potter, ET, Close Encounters etc...) but some of my not so well known favorites would be The Cowboys (John Wayne), SpaceCamp (Kate Capshaw) and two Presidential films, JFK (Kevin Costner) and Nixon (Anthony Hopkins).
I haven’t seen any of those, thanks for the recommendation.
Just discovered your channel and really enjoying it! Your music interpretations are incredible (I know precious little about music theory), comedy is great, and your editing skills are top-notch. The quick cuts are fantastic.
Thanks for the feedback, this is always really valuable! I understand the storytelling better than music theory, so I don’t get too technical and always make sure to name sources for those areas.
Let me know what you think of my other videos!
I love score analysis content! ^^
You’re in the right place!
What stands out to you the most in this video? Have you seen any of my others?
@@FilmScoreandMore Of course, I got your video analysis of the Indy theme in my recommendations. I am a self-taught composer with a dream to one day start writing music for films, and videos of this genre on RUclips (by various authors) have greatly contributed to my understanding of sheet music, reading scores, using motifs and so on. So I'm not surprised that your video got into my recommendations. What did I like in your video? I like that you ask the right questions about the meaning of this or that theme and give a logical answer that you can agree with. I also like that you thoroughly familiarized yourself with the material.
@@FilmScoreandMore Marion's theme is great and when I started it twice in the new movie about Indy, when he was talking about what happened to his relationship because of Mutt's death, and in the final scene, it broke my heart. This is a very beautiful motif in itself and Williams used it correctly in the new film
That’s great to hear, I appreciate it. Do you also watch Ryan Leach’s channel? If you don’t you absolutely should as a self-taught composer.
Williams absolutely knows what he’s doing with his music. I like that the theme stays consistent and doesn’t simply announce “Marion’s here.” It has more purpose.
man i love indiana jones and you have summerized the best part of the plot in that video perfecteally
I’m glad you liked it! Which part do you think is the best?
i like the part when you tried to anylize the emotions @@FilmScoreandMore
thumbnail's on point👌🏼
I did some more work to it, I think it came out well.
I love videos like this Indiana jones has always been one of my favorites since I was younger and I love the music as well.
I’m glad you found the video!
Great video you should do a video on the score for balto it is one of my personal favorites
I’ve heard good things about it.
Very interesting, thank you !
You’re welcome, glad to see you here!
what is love? baby don’t hurt me
No more?
@@FilmScoreandMore hahaha I wasn’t expecting a reply!
I always reply to comments. It’s good to keep things going, and I don’t get too many that it’s not manageable.
Great video!
Thanks! What did you find the most interesting?
@@FilmScoreandMore Definitely how 'Marion's theme' is used in such a contradictory way. I had never though of that before. It seems like theme doesn't actually represent Marion at all but instead represents the idea of Marion from Indy's perspective.
Exactly. And that never clicked with me until I started reading about it from Brad Frey and Dr. Audissino.
Great video definitely worth the wait! Do you think the Ark’s theme could warrant its own video?
Thank you, I know this took a lot longer than expected; exactly forty days according to RUclips. The Ark Theme could absolutely warrant a video, and once again there's plenty about it in Audissino's book. I just haven't written a script for a video yet.
@@FilmScoreandMore Either way this was definitely a great video and I look forward to future vids whatever their topic is
Much appreciated! That’s great to hear. Have you seen any of my non-Indy videos?
@@FilmScoreandMore Yes I also loved your video about the music of Catch Me If You Can
I’m glad. That one took a lot of time and work and just did okay, so it’s great that my recent Indy video gave it a push and brought more attention to it.
Well, John Williams said that Leia's theme was supposed to be a love theme for Luke and her because he learned they were siblings only after the first movie was released.
Right, he was laying the template. Things changed.
Also similar to the Han/Qi'ra theme. (Still mad at the SW fandom for their role in tanking Solo's box office performance)
That’s a great love theme, too. John Powell’s score is excellent. It really blends in well with other Williams scores while staying unique.
Can you point me to where I can find the sheet music you used in this video, or is it something you made yourself? Thanks in advance.
There are a couple sources. Brad Frey’s reduction and analysis on the boat scene is linked in the description. There are other channels like David McCaulley and Music Score Exchange that do the same thing.
When I make these I always have to know exactly how much of the music I’m using and mock it up, then screen record it. Sometimes it’s just part of a flute solo, sometimes it’s the whole string section, and sometimes like the very first one in this video I simplify and combine staves into one.
I can tell you a little more if you send me an email through my channel page.
We all know what's the best love theme John Williams has ever written - and it's from Superman.
I need to see that one again. Great main theme.