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Someone in LFG put it best: "Yall mothertruckers would be asking people for a masters degree in order to ride an escalator".
You know how many times I've seen people die to the undercity elevator boss? Or the SSC elevator boss??? Way too many...
@@onurkneezb Basic Blizz Fanboy Mentality.
@@thecozyplace1206no, it’s called understanding the basic mentality/incompetency of the typical classic vanilla era and SOD player.
what a legend
bro thats what happens IRL in my country (3rd world country) i.e. they ask 2-3 years experience for a janitor job lol or (for high education ppl) they ask a huge list of requirements (knowledge, 10+ topics) plus 2+ years experience, for a junior development job in software engineering for something close to the minimun wage. Its crazy man,
Why do you need 3-5 years of experience for an entry level raid?
Seriously ?! They are asking that ?
For the same reason, you need 3-5 years of experience at the age of 18 to find a job. WoW players are so considerate they give out free life lessons in the game.
Because the raid leaders are all new players.. everyone has left the game.
Exactly this.
People are so hypocritical it hurts my soul
You dont. I've never seen a raid that asks for that. The ones with super high reqs are not pugging.
GearScore, 6/6 bla bla bla omg. Only thing missing from this I guess was "upload a screenshot of your Molten Core clear 2005 so I know you can raid" lmao.
Big true it's bad. Thank god I have a good guild that will take a ret pally
Bro you made my day with this molten core quote lol
Has to be your median (not highest) averege Naxx parse. Obviously. If you didn't solo-tank 4 horsemen naked in Naxx 40 you're useless.
Edit: /s
Players doing dumb shit like this is why I canceled my sub.
The salt is so real 😂😂😂
11:29 in WoW classic i do "no tank" runs as a healer (1 healer 4 dps, everyone tanks some damage nbd). Sometimes we CC or slow-pull instead of chain pulls/big pulls. The dungeons MAYBE take an extra 5-10 minutes in the higher level dungeons as the extra DPSer makes up for the lack of big AOE pulls.
They may not be as "efficient" as a warrior tank, priest healer, and 3 mage comp to breeze through dungeons with big AOE damage but the speed and ease of finding and running dungeons more than makes up for the spamming of LFG looking for specific comps or a tank...
I feel like people are so ingrained with the "Min/Max" mentality they forgot that just completing the dungeon is the goal.
As a counter point, people have lives, and don't always have hours to fuck off in a raid, they trying to squeeze it in the tiny free time they have, does that suck? Sure, but should we collectively say sorry Moms and Dads, gaming as a hobby doesn't accept you. You're simply not hardcore enough. lol
@@VendettaPSCThen why spend hours looking for the absolute perfect comp to save you 30 minutes inside the raid itself? ESPECIALLY if the raid doesn't need "meta" builds?
Exactly. Min maxing has ruined the experience. It’s fun to do something with our min maxing and barely beating it or getting lucky RNG like I feel like most gamers forget the goal is to have fun, and min maxing is fun on occasion or situationally. Sometimes I just wanna play how I wanna play and if I struggle it makes it more fun bc it’s not a push over. Ppl just don’t want a challenge anymore, instead of embracing it they see it as a issue.
@@achabotteYea the groups that spend an hour or more looking for the perfect comp to do a shorter run makes me laugh. These dummies waste just as much time.
@VendettaPSC you're an absolute clown. "I don't have time to play so I'm going to make it miserable for everyone else!" Yeah why are you playing WoW if you don't have the time? It's goofy
Imagine being a new player, trying to get runs and you don’t even know what they are asking so you get blacklisted
reminds me of dota in 2007 lmao
Join a guild and explain. It's always on the individual tbh.
@@ZadenWoW so you're who the videos about lmao
It's a dead game so I don't think they are going to have very much of that kind of problem
Yeah it was annoying. Had to ask what fap and spp was.
Man, it's almost like the players make raiding way harder and take way longer than it needs to, and most raids don't require you to create a resume with a cover letter in order to clear.
That's it bingo.
Its almost like getting a real job nowadays :p
As Asmon said, Players respond to the level of punishment they receive. As Raid IDs lock you to a specific group of people, they have the maximum amount of punishment for picking the wrong person unless you know someone who doesn't need the first few bosses and can fill in later.
bro its insane, my guild are all pvp heads. We did BFD a thousand times with 0 deaths and were all amateur raiders its fucking easy as shit and when i tried to join a pug people were asking for parsing and other bullshit. Its hilarious.
@@deliriumsd142 This. Plus Ziqo's group didn't even finish gnomer. If he was trying to show off that it's ok to pick the worst of the worst, then all he did is show off how important it is to screen noobs from raid pugs.
Reminds me of how DOTA 3.7 became on Warcraft 3, you were asked questions about item prices before the game started; if you didn't know the answer then the host just kicked you.
No uppercase in your name = kick. Dont know cooldown of potm's arrow = kick. On someone's blacklist = kick. Good times lmao
the absolute best part was that while milkman was still collecting his "perfect group" he ensambled the avengers and cleared the entire raid
But they didn’t lol they disbanded before they finished.
yeah cause apparently the majority of the priests don't care to play a healer role anymore (:
It's up to mages and paladins now apparently. And ofc for druids if they feel like spamming Wild Growth :>@@upliftstv
But honestly, if they would introduce atonement mechanic for discipline priests, I'd level a one in an instant.
@@upliftstvjust let the casuals feel good about themselves
??? Did you even watch? They didn't even clear... Missed out on the best bosses loot
wiped 8 times and didn't clear last boss
Whenever i reconsider playing wow, I think of the gatekeeping done at group content and decide its not even worth trying.
Exactly this. It's the reason I quit.
Yeah, me too. Plus, even if you get invited to a group you usually sit there waiting for the group to be full, which in my experience takes almost an hour in classic (EU servers). Add the time to clear the raid and that's it, it's 2am and I have to wake up in 4 hours for work. It's just not worth it anymore. They should add Raid Finder similar to Dungeon Finder.
Yeah I came into SOD this season because everyone said it was never too late with the level capping. And yet I was denied from every single dungeon or raid group I tried to join because I didn’t have bis. But the bis is from the raids so I quite literally only had the option of grinding all the way the max lvl, pretty lame experience for new players lol.
Just join a guild. All these people crying and there’s literally a system in game to play this content with like minded people.
Whenever I reconsider playing WoW I remember the playerbase is 30+ and depressed. And I get enough of that in my day to day.
It's gotten too sweaty. The content isn't that hard. There is a concentration of toxicity in this game.
The content IS hard, that's literally the problem. It's not hard for me, or for you, but it is hard for vanilla. Same reason Ulduar sent people packing (twice). If it wasn't hard, people wouldn't care about your dps, or what class you brought. If it wasn't hard, getting a Raid ID lock wouldn't matter.
@@ethanwilliams1880 gnomer is fully pugged
Except the streamer in the vid couldn't even clear??
It´s even worse, they sweat on baby content.
It´s like a group of kids going biking and they expect every kid to have a red bull sponsorship to verify their skills! xD
@@haywoodjablome7822 That mean literally nothing. Cool, it's puggable. Every raid in every game ever made is puggable. Good point.
As a Rogue, I confirm, impossible to find a raid. I have bad logs on my first raid cuz no one from our group knew what's going on. We did 6/6 with few wipes, and someone uploaded the logs. From there hell broke. No chance finding a grp as a rogue, the other day I spent 2-3 hours looking for group to no avail.
Man this hits close to the bone.
I off-tanked Gnomer the other night as rogue and we hit 6/6. I played the mechanics well and kept picking up the shit that the main tank would screw up, but warcraft logs registered me as a 'DPS' rather than tank because they don't have an 'Off-tank' bracket for this raid; and so my parse was gray in the DPS bracket. It completely ignores the fact that I had to take the basilisk because MT couldn't take both, and that registers a '0' for damage done on the fight...
Now when I ask to join a raid, my parse shows gray, even though I have many blue and purple parses in P1, and I get flamed and then ignored.
This community sucks and it ruins the game.
Sounds like a black mirror episode
@@Dunnooooo123 wow dude that sounds miserable. Logs are like having a permanent record and theres nothing you can do to fix it.
Thats fucked.
I brought a rogue last night. He barely spoke English, but he understood the one and only phrase I needed him to understand: "Interrupt Widget Storm." Well, and the Toxic thing on Thermaplugg, but it sounded cooler to just say one thing.
The dude performed well, interrupted what he needed to, and was rewarded with the epic dagger and a piece of tier.
@@darthimperious1594fuck yeah good for him!
I used to raid in classic religiously everything except nax - we just weren't there , and I refused to have add ons of any type , I played with skill off tanked everything . Always felt it was blizzards job to fix the game not mine to get add ons
That's why you didn't raid Naxx. Just messing. I did the same back in vanilla.
Get bis, full prof, consumables, all addons possible so they play perfectly for you and maybe you can join our wailing caverns gear up runs. These people spend hours to find people to save 20 seconds on a boss, literally spending big buck to save some cents and the worst thing is their attitude.
Keep thinking that if you want. Most groups just recruit 10min before raid to fill pugs if they need. Half the time the lock isn't even there before you find people.
that sounded better in your head bud, rather than crying maybe make your own grp and see how it goes inviting everyone and their mother lmao
You could walk into gnomer with leveling greens and maybe even some white gear, as long as you say HEALER, MAGE, WARLOCK, BOOMY, or SHADOW. People just don't want melee because they make Thermaplugg WAY harder. It's literally 2 things: Raid ID's, which lock people to failed raids, and "My machines are the future!".
@@ethanwilliams1880 melee? You mean wf OT lmao
My Oncle used to drive 20 Minutes to a cheaper Gas Station to „save“ some cents.
Keep in mind these raids are made to be clearable in greens
But if you're a raid leader, you're spoiled for choice, if you're choosing you're never gonna choose the guy in greens.
As shown, this makeshift group didn't make it.
Clearly not since his group didn’t clear it.
Raid is not clearable in greens
Last 2 bosses arent really doable in all greens. Need some dungeon blues at the least
@@robertp457green gear but dark grey brains….
Our group one shots every boss cleanly each lockout. We had a pug healer dip on us because he searched our parses and said we weren't good enough.
It's a mix of elitism and protecting your lockout. If something goes bad theres usually a small chance of finishing a 4/6 and you have to wait until reset.
I've had people leave raid because I didn't invite a priest. Or becauseour group was 'undergeared' according to them. Even though most people had 60% of their prebis and everyone was pulling like 90 DPs minimum.
We finished that raid before the tank found a group last time. I even traded him the hydra that dropped that he wanted. No one else needed it. Oh well.
The problem is also Gnomer isnt very Melee friendly. Tons of toons are missing out on groups because no one wants to take melee DPS. The fact that Melee hunters have a pushed out other melee dps in a ranged preferred raid is a massive issue.
Melee Hunters cant find groups either lol trust me. Just uninstall like I did and everything's suddenly better
@@nathanfraser8204 Sounds like a skill issue tbh as a melee hunter people are fighting over me.
@@RadarFinsR I’m not saying MY skill is an issue that’s the communities perception. The best way for me I’ve found so far is just do a BFD and take number 1 spot so I can ask for a raid invite. Lol.
@@RadarFinsR”skill issue” you’re a fucking virgin buddy
Simply stop playing so they will fix it.
These classic wow raid leaders are worse than CE guilds 😂😂😂😂
I did CE in random pugs during BFA and Legion and there was no issue. Nobody was rude and was very "bring your spec" no matter what it was and the only way to get kicked was the same person causing a wipe multiple times (>3 times), doing much lower dps than heals, or have an iLVL that was unrealistic (LFR iLVL for example). Were there a few times we didn't complete? Of course since people can't stay for more than 3 hours, but time was more the issue than anything.
SOD raiding is srs bsness for these people lmao
@@melissas4874 Are you thinking of Ahead of the Curve (Heroic) and not Cutting Edge (Mythic)? Cause if you got cutting edge in a Pug that is the worlds best Pug group right there.
Nah playing retail wow was extremely elitist and this take is not true
This sod Raiders can't Even clear heroic, there is no point to be elitist on classic
Remember when people learned by playing the game? Now there is 0 patience, like in retail, you need add-ons, gearscore and good parses
That's why I hate mythic plus
idk man i brought in this green/grey parsing hunter into my guild and its week 3 now and he is still grey parsing, basically full bis. hes perma benched now. classic wow is so easy but there are so many horrible players
that's almost like saying "just because it happened once, its going to happen again". Read that again, SLOWLY.
Maybe, just maybe you'll get it.@@jacque3427
It’s always the ones that are not good at the game ruining it for everyone that say this stuff… if your not good either get good or go away.. it’s not fair to ruin someone else’s experience because you can’t keep up or don’t feel like putting in the same time as others… it’s your own fault
Why not teach the whateverclass who greyparsed in this hypothetical situation then?
If they are willing to learn, then that's good. But if not, then good riddance I'd say. Attitude.@@bcf_polarbear1833
I quit SoD before the 2nd installment because it was literally impossible for me to get into a group for BFD. Making your own group is the only option. They would want logs, full bis, and the dumb ass yeti pet was a must. Don't even consider myself to be a casual player, but the amount of sweat they wanted for that raid was RIDICULOUS lol. And this was on the RP server, too. :)
i play on Living Flame server and never got any problem do get a group in BFD, some days are more hard to find, but never impossible.
which rp server tho? chaos bolt and crusader strike seem to have very different communities. Either way sorry that happened.
Takes 3 minutes to form a bfd raid. That's all I did. I didn't raid lead or even deal with loot.
I find it baffling that people struggled at all with BFD. My guild was getting sub 25 minute clears easily.
Did you try to find a guild that was running multiple groups? Idk if I lucked out or what but I ended up joining a guild pretty early in P1 that has been continuously growing with multiple full clear raid groups being formed basically every day of the week. I hit 25 later than most people (still fairly early) but they had no problem taking me on any of the runs I signed up for, and the same thing goes for P2. Very chill group of people and sometimes they even host sweaty runs for people who want to try and parse I obviously don't sign up for those because I play very casually but it sounds like you just need to find the right group of people to play with.
Getting accepted into a raid as a ranged hunter is literally impossible atm. Every pug with the "outcasts" ive done has been 6/6 smooth and easy, somewhere along the way these stoopids decided gnomer is hard (its really not) and that you need 514 buffs, full bis gear, 1050 clear logs etc etc etc. its a joke.
Meanwhile I'm a Ranged hunter who started off as Melee. And I'm parsing well so they can look at my logs. But I've only gotten these in a group that have taken me
I ended up quitting SOD a couple months ago. It’s gotten way too sweaty. I only found 1 regular group of people to do the raid with and we crushed it. I’m getting too old to deal with all the douchebaggery.
need to find the right guild
Yeah I would only play it I was in a casual guild
Wish you’d had rolled with us
Same here, I tried getting into BFD for 30 mins and just gave up. I’m a new player to WOW and idk why people were sweating for a lvl 25 Dungeon. The elitism in this game is insane tbh.
Never had an issue with this on Chaos Bolt.
Sod is way too sweaty now.....Im a dad of 2 who works a ton and barely has time to play, took many nights of lost sleep just to level up to 40, now just like with BFD my #1 problem is no one will ever take me despite the fact that I watch walkthroughs, make sure I know what I am doing and do tons of research to make sure I am not the weak link... but because I don't like to sweat and have 15 wow logs already (dont have time to give this much of a shit i play to have fun) no one will take me, HOWEVER every BFD I ever did I was top 2-3 DPS and never the weak link in any capacity. I know Gnomer I know what I am doing and what I am responsible for in the Raid, (as much as any possible first timer could) and yet no one wants a first timer lol so RIP done with this game.
Dude I'm in the same exact boat and even as a cracked out 550 AP melee hunter I cant find or make groups lol I spent waaaay to much time on this game already uninstalled. Huge turn off for new players like me lol, but from what I experienced and read also it seems Blizzard caters to whales and bots in this game making the leveling/using AH useless so what's left to play for after all that ya know. Going back to Skyrim
I wouldn't attempt to play a time sink like wow if I had little children. My kids were older when I started and they actually got me into the game. We played together, especially when the weather was too crappy to go anywhere. It turned into a great family bonding experience.
I got flamed for putting together a bfd as a brand new fresh rogue and hring gear. They said I got carried. I was top 2 DPS most bosses.
Its like they don't even realize how difficult the raid actually is. Thinking I need to get full bis before attempting. Or that the average player is terrible and can't DPS worth shit.
Do you play on a PvP server? I started SoD for the first time in 10 years on a PvE server and the people are significantly more chill. I played the first run of classic on PvP servers, one of the big reasons pugs could be so toxic is you had to be able to survive entrances or you'd lose world buffs before even walking in the raid. I got lucky my guild was pretty chill and allowed people to play however, I was frequently top 5 dps as a feral druid.
Finding a good guild to raid with is half the battle
This is not only in SoD, the same situation is with Classic WOTLK. Even GDKP wants you to have logs or be geared.... which is insane.
Wrath GDKPs are doing content where a few bad players can literally make it impossible, they are right to do that in RS and ICC 25hc. If you're willing to burn money you can call yourself "naked buyer" and get in pretty much always, but you'll have to spend big money or you're a swindler and will be blacklisted.
But in sod you just turn your brain off and kill the things, so you can invite whatever you want there.
Yeah exactly. And if you have neither you need literally gold cap or more
2 things in retail make raiding way easier:
1 Flex raids- for guilds that have a few to many or to little sign up makes life easier for all
2 raid lock outs to boss not entire raid. People would be more willing to pug and take noobs and join incomplete raids to finish it out.
I quit WoW back in Burning Crusade when I was told I can't raid without Heroic gear and when I asked to do Heroic dungeons, I was told I can't without raid gear. I wish I was making this up. I quit the following week. I cleared Vanilla raids when they were current, but requirements started changing quietly between expansions and things became super neckbeardy
That's wild, but I believe it.
u mean classic not vanilla?
@@TVFoliarz he meant classic probs back in the day ppl were NOT like this
@@TVFoliarz Yeah, 2004 WoW
@@TVFoliarz What's up with the question? How did you not get it? Were you even born at that time? :D
this is the mythic+ culture seeping into SoD
this is comedy gold
Nah this is sweaty classic parse culture. No freaking way anyone on retail would have patience for this crap.
bro if u pug a raid in retail NO ONE EVER ASK FOR YOUR PARSES NSHIT
they see if u did the boss already via RIO(which has been implemented in the game a few patches ago) and they see your ILVL automatically
which is not that much better but then dont interview you before . they know you know ur shit and they take you if they need ur class, simple
@@daami7100 I no longer bring up retail wow in here ngl. As someone that played this game for far too long, the past 3 ish years were actually some the eeriest times across the games life-span 😅I got called sweaty, a shill, not playing the real version of WoW and occaisionally woke for it too . Can't fix ignorance let them eat cake 🤷♂i enjoy both versions too
@@daami7100 Which is basically WAY worse. Filtered before you can even make your case. Same problem certain job markets are having, and why seekers and employers are both struggling.
Nobody is sweatier than a classic raider. You NEED bis gear, 89 elixirs, all 19 worldbuffs, engi for bombs and 99th parses on your alts just to clear Molten Core. And then the same players get to Lich King heroic and cant run out of the defile. Ruins classic for me tbh. Cant wait for MoP and Cata where the raids are skill based.
LMAO he really called the next expacs skill-based. It will be even WORSE with those man.
@@skycaptain95 I think you dont understand what skill based means. You have one Flask and 2 potions for every fight. Thats it. The rest somes down to your skill. Unlike Vanilla or TBC where your performance is 90% consumables.
i can't wait for MoP only for FLEX RAIDS.
@@deathslicers I have some bad news. Siege of Orgrimmar is the only flex raid in MoP.
SOD feels like retail to me ngl (not in difficulty) but in the way the game plays and the community
I bet there's a large number of retail players playing SoD since Dragonflight is pretty much over
The retail community is super chill, the weirdos are all over in classic, because they aren't competent enough for retail. Asmon is a bit out of touch with retail, but his classic videos are gucc.
SoD has all the people in it that aren't good enough for wotlk and too stupid to realize that retail is the better game for them.
So they come into SoD to act like they're hot shit and parse in a temporary raid. That's so easy you could 5 man it with a decent group.
The wild part so far for me is that there is literally 0 conversation in general world channels. It's 100% ad spam. You literally can't ask a question of get an answer on there.
@@TaylorShawn yeah I noticed that too. server with 20k people on it and the leveling zones are completely silent.
Everyone's just mindlessly grinding. Its actually unsettling. I largely stopped playing anyways. A woman in the game abused me turned everyone in my guild against. Smeared my name to all my friends. Gaslit me for two years. Love bombed me. All the good stuff. She was the GM and had the entire guild wrapper around her finger.
Even had people whispering me to kill myself and to fuck myself. From her guild.
The game is full of sick people these days.
This shits why the games dead it’s the literal playerbase ruining it
Addons ruined WoW.
The game isn't dead though there's tons of players running around lmao
@@CodyHayzett its reclining like years bro
@@CodyHayzettSOD servers are dieing. Most were full and not only a couple are full and rhe rest are becoming less and less.
The add-on for SoD LFG is called "LFG Group Bulletin Board"
I did this back in the day on The Secret World, where people were looking for fully Nightmare-level geared and fully experienced players to group with for Nightmare dungeons. Me and my brother had just gotten full Elite-level gear and basically had no chance of joining any of those groups.
So we started a group on our own, for Nightmare Polaris, with these parameters: No experience needed, mostly Elite-level gear, bring a smile and positive feelings. It took us about 10 minutes to fill the group, and then we began our run. We wiped on some bosses, more than once, but everyone learned and got better with each try. After about 2 hours, we had cleared everything except the last boss. We wiped for about an hour more on the boss, before the only geared player in our group, the tank, said in a very polite manner that he didn't think we had the DPS to be able to down the boss before it enraged.
I sort of agreed with him, but asked if we could try one more time, since the last attempt we did had been really good mechanically speaking. He agreed, and the rest of the group agreed as well. We managed to make it with one member alive, and everyone was super excited since none of us would have been able to go with the super-elite-hardcore-only-pro-supersweaty groups.
When we got out of the dungeon and back at the hub, everyone else was still looking for groups. We laughed a bit and decided to make a weekly group for newbs like ourselves with some others that we met while we tried new Nightmare-level dungeons. Cleared most of them, with some exceptions. (For some reason, Nightmare Ankh was really hard for us.)
A free to use portal summon machine in the gnomer courtyard area mid raid would be awesome QOL.
I mean, P1 I made my own group for the first run, got mid logs, and got invited to groups later, P2 my mate made a group we did a run got mid logs, and got invited (although now I'm just in a guild and run it with them), why do people refuse to make their own groups and get angry at other people having their requirements. If you don't like them, start a group, invite whoever you want, and run it, building a raid group in the worst of hours is like 1-hour job, in the evenings or weekends it's like 15 minutes job.
*Edit*
Mom I'm receiving likes, that never happened before, but being the responsible like owner, I promise not to waste them.
For each like I shall purchase a Cured Ham Steak and distribute it to post-nerf starving hunters so they and their pets can still eat.
Video evidence shall be provided.
Or I can choose not to play at all
@@LucasFragueiro or that :D
Yep. It is even one of the best advice / answer on retail for new folks wanting to learn how to improve at the game.
@@LucasFragueirothankyou
Thankyou it's been months of the same people crying they can't join a full bis guild. that only desire to keep logging in until phase 2 is getting more rank 1s or full 99s on alts. They don't understand these guilds had someone full bis quit and they are looking for someone close to the same value to join them. Are they socially scared to make a group but are happy to cry on any form of social forum
This right here is why I dont play SOD anymore. The end game is screwed.
SOD is a fun thing, it’s the community that is garbage. Felt the same way about league of legends too
a good classic server wouldn't play like the original, but give them similar experience with life quality enhancements for those who wishes retail is still BC or vanilla, just do what other mmos does better, make everyone walk to instances, then have 3 choices, solo, normal, and heroic modes, then have the raid/dungeon ques require you to be on site to que
i think what class and retail both needs are raid training ques where you can pick what bosses to test your gear with and learn the mechanics without players, that would solve a lot of the cultural issues wow has always had
Leveling is more screwed. 100% xp boost. Runes that let you kill five mobs at once (not as a mage). It is a joke easy mode made for girls.
The runes are great but it’s wayyyy too easy
Search a guild, socialising is the whole point of this game.
5:28 That remind me of that monkey experiment thing, where scientists placed monkeys inside the same cell, and then placed a Banana on it. When a monkey tried to pickup the Banana, the other monkeys got jet of water on them.
They scientists kept replacing some monkeys, and whenever the new monkey tried to get the Banana, the others were still getting a jet of water, until one day, the monkeys begun attacking the monkey that tried to get the banana.
It really look like that on SoD raiding. Maybe everything is just part of a great experiment, and the developers of world of warcraft are the scientists.
Kinda, a lot of it is that people want something hard, but something that's hard doesn't mean challenging as much as it means punishing. The more punishing something is, the more players are willing to gatekeep because they don't want to be stuck at 5/6 if the last boss is "easy".
@@deliriumsd142I mean, if people want the game to be hard, just play with randoms. No parsing or anything.
There, problem solved.
Rogues could put down a trapdoor. In lore it would be a secret tunnel discovered by a sneaky boi and now he lets his friends in. They can also sneak further into a dungeon. Get behind enemy lines infiltration kinda thing.
Maybe this cpuld only be done after killing the last boss in a dungeon/raid.
Sod is way worse in that aspect than retail. Particular if you consider the trivial difficulty.
It really isn't. Its exactly the same.
I would say it's still much better about gatekeeping. People like to say that gnomer is easy because they are experienced players and know how to do mechanics, but it's on par with vanilla Naxx for difficulty.
If you are established in retail, I understand, but try making a new account or character with nothing to link, then find a mythic raid slot, M+10 or higher, or any arena/rbg at all above 1500.
Eh retail is exactly the same thing. People asking for curve on normal raids, expecting mythic bis ilvl to get into a rancid heroic pug etc. Worst thing is I can kinda understand aswell. The difficulty is extremely trivial. Like any retail heroic boss would not even be a dungeon boss in any other MMO it's that easy. But WoW players are so incredibly bad at raiding they will chain wipe any boss that has some semblance of a mechanic. So I can kinda understand people checking everyone for experience and trying to outgear the raid by several magnitudes.
WoW players crying about their game dying, meanwhile they're gatekeeping it from newer players.
gold farmers (cough cough)
Problem with raid lockouts is if someone leaves at 4/6 you have to find replacement which means finding someone willing to sacrifice 4 bosses or someone that is stuck on 4/6
You could also find people that were in the same position as you (people who had groups dissolve at 4/6 kills) who otherwise would be locked out of the raid entirely.
Like, imagine with asmon's example of ToC, people leaving before anub'rekahn was very common, so that wouldn't be an issue to find people to finish the raid
@@luciorock07 That's not how it works. If my group is done for at 4/6, and your separate group is the same, we have different raid ID's and can't raid together. You HAVE to find someone who hasn't killed a boss to sacrifice those first 4 kills
@Mcelwee22 exactly. Raid IDs are Fucked.
I think a 24 hr lockout MIGHT solve the issue? Instead of three fucking days??
But no lockout/gear locks seems so much smarter. Multi dollar company tho
This is a big reason people dont want to risk, and they dont have to, and thats their choice imo
which is why loot lockouts are superior, even if you join a 4/6 run, you can still join a fresh to get the bosses you are still eligible.
I quit SoD because of this. I did find guilds that would do raids, but I worked night shift and worked mon-saturday usually. I couldn't make any guilds raid times. I remember managing to join a bfd group, making it there, getting locked in, and them saying, "Alright lets call it". I was like bro, aint no way, and I quit.
As a casual I ended up getting 40 at the third week and already felt Soo left behind, couldn't join a group as most asked 6/6 experience and we'll geared.... So rather stopped asking and joined a casual guild because pugs are out of hand
My god sod is more sweatier than retail nowadays 😂
Because just like in retail, people want to be carried so they don't have to put in effort
@@kingvarien its not so much that people want to be carried, its that in able to parse well, everyone else in your group needs to be doing well too. and a large portion of people get enjoyment from parsing well
@@mald34 yeah this is right, the soltuion would be to somehow adjust ur parse based on how bad ur raid group was. No idea how that could be done.
Literally why I quit sod, people demanding 6/6 2nd lockout or no inv
Same.
Was doing bod. Had a guy leave.
1 shot every boss and didn't even have to do mechanics cus dps was so High lol
People are insane
Quit for the same reason, its classic wow and people think its hard. It was easier to clear heroic in a pug with no exp on retail than get into a gnomer.
@@Vandel96 It's classic wow with WotLK skills. It's even easier than classic wow.
Big problem in wow, I couldnt get into any raids in a big guild because I chose to be arms. I still pumped, but they just had a bias and forced me to inquire thru a job interview process. Like, I just wanna play a video game.
I’ve posted looking for a group for every single lockout and never got a single invite. I started raid leading myself and have cleared every single lockout since then with random pugs.
are you a rogue?
@@piccolo1525 Destro Warlock DPS with full pre-bis
@@grfmstr get meta form, say you will kill the bombs on last boss. boom you just got invited
I paid for WoW classic in november and lvld a Hunter to 60 after watching Rav. I managed to raid twice and it was such a hassle to find a group that i gave up. Aside from raid gear, i had all the BiS i could get (from emblems, sideral essence etc). Those people are nuts.
I am a raid leader, our guild is quite small so we most of the time need 2-3 pugs and I never asked for these things, so I wasn't aware of this. Only requirement for me is that if we wipe 2+ times and they are not in discord that they join, bc most wipes are just a lack of communication. Fear is irrelevant for gnomer.
I do play on living flame, but I have never experienced that here yet, even when i pug on my alts.
May I join your guild
This is the same exact problem in retail WoW when trying to join m+ or raid groups. Not surprised seeing it spill over to this. Even for heroic raid groups, or even just a +16, these people gatekeep like it is their firstborn child on the line. If you arent playing meta classes and have logs or raider io score, dont bother.
They have a portal system so you can zone in and then port back to whichever boss you are at. Short run to the instance and then another short run to the first portal. They should have included a portal near the entrance and res right outside like BFD.
Or implement segmentation so that people can run a raid per boss basis. Just like FFXIV.
From my experience from multiple MMO's: People who are looking to fill already filled with 3-4 BAD friends, and they are looking for the last spot to be someone who can carry them. If you are the last invited, you are probably going to have to put in a majority of the work.
...ORLY... ???
Pretty sure this is the result of modern wow’s design. The active playerbase for this want to put in way too much effort for a build of the game that’s probably not even going to live beyond a year once it’s finally at max level again. None of it is that tough to warrant applications for spots.
2.5 hours in gnomer for 5/6 though. that's why parse-culture and log checking is a thing. yes, disabling dmg meters and warcraft log APIs would fix this but I don't see that happening
haha its so funny, people literally complain about elitist log parser then the video exactly proves the point that it in fact makes sense to carefully build you group....
You can easily do a 1 hour gnome 6/6 with a decent group for selected randoms... or just do a 2,5 hours non clear and show that the "neckbeards" are right
@@leomarsh1985 the guy that declined ziqo didnt finish after ziqos group disbanded. So how did that exactly proved your point?
Ziqo didnt clear, do you know if this guy cleared? And even if he did not clear,it still makes sense to improve your odds of clearing by inviting experienced/geared players. Ziqo literally proved this guy right with not clearing in 3 hours of raiding with randomly invited people@@cuneytunsal5422
@@cuneytunsal5422 because that guy who declined ziqo will probably kill the last boss. Like asmon said, only going 5/6 and not getting last boss would be considered a fail by most
@@willmcallister1136 how do you know that exactly? All i see in comments say it takes 30 mins to make a group while log checking, then 1 hour to clear. This dude started creating the group -> declined ziqo -> ziqo makes his own group -> ziqo gets 5/6 after 2.30 hours passed -> dude still in raid. So 3 4 hours passed but dude still in raid 🤡. We dont even know if he killed first bosses.
Also, Loot Lockouts seem ideal but then you gotta remember that opens the door for carries to sell their services across multiple raids for gold instead of a chance at loot.
like Mages that sell boosts... or GDKP's for gold buyers... It isn't a terrible idea but i think Boss lockout is the best way to do it.
This issue has been an issue in retail wow for years as well. The ridiculous requests for people to have gear that's Mythic raid level gear in order to do something like a basic Normal mode raid, or to enter basic Mythic dungeons.. my all time fav "do you have your AOTC?" .. and it's like.. um.. This is a normal level raid.. what does it matter? 90% that have AOTC bought it anyways... they didn't earn it.
A lot of it has to do with if you have 20 DPS applying and need to filter DPS, how do you do it? That's when ilevel, gearscore, AOTC, etc. start coming into play.
It's like Blizzard actively looks for ways to make things not fun.
Yeah lets not sit here and pretend asmon wasnt doing the EXACT same thing, in fact he did it even MORE and in a WORSE way in classic 2019 xD
It is a shit game they have been milking you for for 20 years.
Move on, grow up
This is not blizzard but people gatekeeping just like you would see in Lost Ark, retail WoW and so on. People don't want to waste time or get raid locked. Even with something super easy like current raids we had people getting locked a few bosses in and unable to complete that raid.
Really the best way to play this games is in a guilde with full guild runs.
@@logirex "This is not blizzard". Yes it is because Blizzard added "raid locked", would it not have this... feature there would be much less of an issue. It's like you didn't watch the video.
@@Phaevryn We both know how wow players act... If raid locks got removed they would be doing the same thing. Heck check retail, so many listings open and most of them insta decline you if you dont have the achievement or arent the meta class.
this is not a problem of SoD, its in all MMOS, in the people wanting easy carries without paying.
If you want experience, pay for it.
that's what the meeting stones used to function as for dungeons. They didn't summon initially, but you could advertise there and it was kind of it's own channel
the one time me, my brother and a buddy of ours decided to find a group Gnomer we couldn't find a group to do gnomer with. to clarify i was tank, war and a hunter, after an hour and a half we just gave up and that just DEMOTIVATED us from playing wow that day.
You would've finished the raid in that time if you just formed your own group. I've cleared every lockout 6/6 by leading a raid. I haven't checked any logs or asked GS or specific spec. It's easy, just explain the most important mechanics before every boss and gg. This video is a load of bollocks lmao.
The only "hard" bosses are the fourth and last one.
For the fourth you need minimal conmunication (or its a wipe) and for the last one you need some DPS or it becomes unbearable for the tanks.
If you have 6 ranges people (including healers) you don't even need communication on 4th boss, you need 2 people with monitors turned on so they step back on rotation whenever Arc goes off.
Weird only boss I felt was a struggle week 1 was second last. But we 3 healed not 3 tanked first week like most
@@onsokomaru_actually just need 1 person to move in front or behind the other grp who stay stationary for the entire fight.
Thermaplugg is harder than KT, and this is classic. That's the biggest issue. He requires a LOT of personal responsibility from DPS (traditionally DPS are SHIT at that), and melee dps are pretty dam useless on that fight (they deal WAY less damage, and can't hit buttons and dps at the same time).
Nothing hard about the 4th boss
Man, I haven''t played wow for a few years now and when i played as a new player i could always get in groups, when i tried to get back into wow i had such a hard time learning the new systems and dungeons partly because i couldn't get invites at all.
People mid maxing raid groups for gnomer doesn't spell well for next phase
I knew this was going to be a thing during SoD so me and a few friends made a guild on the second day of SoD to avoid this issue for myself.
Ended up building a great community of players and the game has been more enjoyable because of it.
I wish I had thought about that lol smart.
I tried that but I have no friends lol. I didn’t vibe with all the dad gamers being a girl zoomer .-.
Thank god i didn't continue leveling to 40. My guild was same, try harding so much and its taking the fun out of it.
SoD concept is fun; SoD implementation leave a lot to be fixed.. group finding is a huge gear and content progress lockout .. so, SoD ends up just being groups of Elitist which is like 5% of players.. not a great move for bliz
I quit 2 weeks into phase 2 because of this. I play video games to relax after work, not clock into a 2nd job.
What’s the ad on they’re talking about for looking for group
Looking for group addon
LFG Group Bulletin Board is what you want
@@Jutastre sweet found it thanks
The first group finder that was introduced in WotLK was awesome
It used to be fun finding randoms with no strats
I've just been raid leading and tanking my own runs because trying to find a spot as melee DPS/Ret Paladin is nearly impossible. Getting solid healers seems to be the hardest part for our runs.
all true same on alliance
I am a hunter on wild growth, horde and have had zero problems grouping.
Are you melee or ranged hunter? Everyone wants melee hunters. Crusader Strike on alliance side is super sweaty. It is very hard to get into a group if you aren't an aoe or huge dps. The dumb thing is there are people spamming for groups in dungeons and raids non stop. As a rogue, I couldn't get into a Stockades group. Looked for two days. Plenty of groups, just none wanted a rogue. I have been trying to get runs in SM the last 3 days. I have gotten invited to one group.
On mY sErvEr
this is why retail of any kind blows. and it's really sad. the playerbase mentality is GOGOGO RUSH RUSH RUSH WE WE WORLD FIRST BOIS and has been for too long.@@hshaughnessy17
@hshaughnessy17 you say this while hunters cry about being forced into trueshot aura to increase the melee groups dps lmao
@hshaughnessy17 make your own group don't complain you can't find a group as a dps that slows down most parties. holy shit 20 years and people can't work it out
Look at stv you don't invite a warrior but you join a premade group with a warrior and healer friend.
Raiders have ALWAYS BEEN THE PROBLEM with WoW. Blizzard focused on making raiders happy, and acted like 5v5 was the only PVP.
They chose instances over the World. They chose raid logs over the War. They chose loot drops over Craft.
I've always said add-ons are cheats, and should be banned... ever since original BC.
“I think the best thing Blizzard could do in the game is disable every addon..”
100% facts.
Let’s solicit Phil Spencer and talk about the Xbox Series S consoles that would sell like hotcakes if this was done, and WoW was brought to it. Why not? They are bringing FFXIV to Xbox this summer. This is largely in part because FFXIV restricts addons.
5:38 and this is why nothing will change. you can put blame on developers all you want until the end of time, but if you don't hold players accountable and call them out when they are acting like a WoW Karen, this is what you get. you can justify their behavior all you want, but they still have personal accountability. maybe you aren't trying to justify it, but they'll definitely use it as a justification for acting that way. it boils down to a cultural mentality that's full of toxicity, skepticism (not always a bad thing), and jadedness. perhaps this is just a natural progression of the core playerbase getting into their 30's.
Thats why we need to keep WoW alive. If it dies players like that will plague the games we actually play.
@@dmitriyrasskazov8858Keeping the toxic people contained is why we can never let League of Legends die, or those players will spread
No it's on blizzard. The way players are and will behave is the bedrock they should build the game on. Unclear what you even want, you want players that don't invite you to be banned? Such a Karen attitude. The current high demands for dps lies with the lack of healers and tanks. It's in blizzards power to make more people pick tank and healer. Like currently healers will gimp themselves in all content but group content because all healing gear now has healing power instead of spell power like in BFD. That was a fucking retarded change, so now if you want to have fun in STV or kill mobs at a respectable pace in the open world you will have to get two sets of gear. People aren't willing to do that in SoD.
But he is a hunter, there are a lot of hunters.
Hear me out, Loot lockouts for bosses, but if you HELP a group kill a boss you have already killed, you get gold for it. You are then incentivized to help other groups finish raids.
The truth is I don´t want to raid with useless people. Logs tells you If a person knows the basics of his class and the raid. Some people have no clue what they are doing and just want to get carried, logs do the job detecting this players.
My guy, you can’t get logs because you can’t get in a group because everyone is acting like its ICC 25 Heroic, its an easy as hell dungeon and people are new, you we’re new once too and someone somewhere helped you out.
If someone is “slow” it will take you a bit longer to do the dungeon, sure, but the gratitude of helping someone out and actually having fucking fun in a GAME you actually spend time and money is much more worth it that to min max, thats the issue here and thats why new players wont come to the game and the game is dying out.
Hell even me as a semi-active player from 2008 have stopped playing, its just a big dick measuring competition now, the game is dead a long time ago
Tried on my ally rogue 5 evenings in a row at peak hour spamming everyone, didnt get once in raid, decided to delete, go horde and restart, while the "meta addiction" passes through, i'm now a Enh Shaman dps. Same thing. In 4 evening i've managed to get answereed once, and got invited ONLY if I didn't rand the epic 2h (i'm a 2h enh). I don't know what to do anymore
Maybe play another game
I mean groups need 1 rogue for kicks and 1 shammy for wf a grp. What do you expect
make your own group why did you delete a character lmao
Find a guild bro
@@BeraninCause you can't play both factions on a pvp server. And i got baited into ally by friends who don't play anymore
I made a Submarine map on Garrysmod
this is the same with the arena community so many nerds who killed the scene
For me the best option is all items are BTE and u can do raids how many times u love.The items have value on gdkp anyway if someone want to gear quick he can buy gold and quite a game because there is nothing to do. It work on rs skilled players farm items for no skilled players or just specialize in some kind of content.
Yikes.
Honestly, I’d just have my all my devs everywhere stop everything they are doing for 30 whole days just to have them constantly comb the servers to throw the try hard accounts onto tryhard servers
Wild you exist in the world with us using that brain of yours
"Tryhard accounts" you can't make it up lmaoooo
I want to support Ziqo, not Asmon. So, I'm going to Ziqo's channel to watch this clip. Asmon's commentary is not needed for me to understand Ziqo.
I watch Asmongold for entertainment. Not really to understand things better.
Having said that, Asmongold does often have interesting insights, and he did here, too, I thought.
Ok....
Good for you?
Dude you clocked a view to say this...
Ok dude…
i love that Ziqo is spreading serpent sting to "aoe" the menagerie bosses.
i love that he knows its totally inefficient
and i love that he does it anyway, because i do that too lmao.
(disclaimer: not hunter main)
The only addon I really miss is AtlasLoot. It was a map mod and listed factions and loot/gear.
The addon still exists my man
I'm all for the (ditch all addons) option, if Blizzard can actually provide equivalent systems in game. If you run M+ you either need extremely good observation skills and memory or a decent nameplates addon to manage your CC. The telegraphing of attacks and severity of attacks is terrible. The whole thing needs a rework.
Without this, I don't agree with your statement at all.
Been a problem WoW has had for awhile now. People having unreasonable demands and expectations to do even the simplest of content. In Retail we can point at a lot of things like mythic keys and bad raid design as being a catalyst for this kind of toxic mindsets....but in Classic? This is just stupid. Gearscores, dps meters, parsing, all this crap just opened the gates for clown behavior.
It's ironic to me that one of the objectively best classic wow players in the world - Ziqo, encountered the issue of players being excessively picky in forming groups and effectively gatekeeping content. And it's reassuring to hear that so many others have had the same negative experience. I play Classic Era (vanilla) full time and there's such a stark contrast in the general sentiment and behaviours of the Classic Era player base and the Retail player base. My memories of retail are getting home from work, logging into Orgimmar, and searching for groups for raids, arena or rated battlegrounds. If you didn't have recent achievements or social connections, you would be doomed to spend more time searching for groups, and being rejected, than actually playing the content. And this is coming from a player who had 3 consecutive seasons of 2200+ in 2v2 and 3v3 when I had more time to commit. The experience Ziqo explained was singlehandedly the primary reason I quit playing Retail and SoD in phase 1.
and he is playing one of the best dps classes aswell
It’s basically turning into retail but the skill cap is 20x lower
5:40 this is such a clueless take lol. People are like this regardless of punishment and rewards.
In retail you don't need shit to do +18 to +20s atm, just people who do something that somewhat resembles a rotation and who don't stand in _literally every single mechanic_ and you won't deplete most keys.
There's no punishment for inviting someone with 2600 rating and 475 avg ilvl other than that the dungeon takes slightly longer, and maybe you wipe once or twice but you'll still 2chest it...
...and yet some people will sit and watch the queue for 10-20 minutes forming their group, waiting for players with 3k+ rating and 486+ avg ilvl, or they'll wait for a BL class or some other clown-tier requirement they think they need to clear before they can go in. Meanwhile if they'd just invited people with slightly less score/gear they'd be done with the dungeon 10 minutes faster 🤦♀
It has nothing _(read:very little)_ to do with the reality of the game and its rewards and punishments, it _entirely (read: mostly)_ has to do with perception (which isn't something you can just take control over and change as a Developer, or even as a prominant community leader/influencer/whatever, *especially* in game with a long-since established community like WoW...which Asmongold should be keenly aware of btw).
E.g. if you couldn't deplete keys and the rewards from a non-timed run were just 80% of a timed one or even the same as a timed one, people would engage in the exact same _(or very similar)_ kind of monotonous rituals and use other arguments/reasoning like that they are saving time by getting people who do more damage when the reality is that they're spending 10-20 minutes before the run to save 2-5 minutes in the run. The only way to get anywhere near close to the Asmongold approved dadgamer environment he wants these days is to implement draconic restrictions and checks to make sure most people aren't able to investigate other players before inviting them, or that they're not using addons and wahthaveyou.
_and just to be clear, I'm obviously talking about the easy key levels and about mediocre players (adjust the key numbers to your skill level if you're struggling with +20s), the top 1-5% of highest runs (including for whatever keylevel is considered pushing for you personally) do require some knowledge and skill and planning and whatnot and I get that it makes a lot more sense to spend some time on inviting the right people there, likewize for +20ish keys in the beginning of a season~...but _*_a lot of people_*_ are doing this on keys _*_that are routine_*_ for them :V_
_Edit: __11:10__ lol_
_Edit2: __19:55__ 🤦♀yea...Asmon is clearly just projecting when he says that changing rewards/punishments and/or mechanics would "fix everything"...because that's what _*_he_*_ wants, aka free loot with no time investment and no difficulty, not having to install any addons, not having to learn any mechanics or progress a fight or just in general spend a second longer in the game than _*_he_*_ feels is warranted etc, etc..._
_^I.E. a certified out-of-touch, classic take from _*_"Not-a-dad-but-still-a-dadgamer" Asmongold._*_ huhu_
"People would leave, creating a 2nd recruitment process"-->
"Hold on let me explain, its difficult"-->
15 min wait later-->
"People would leave, creating a 2nd recruitment process"
I've lost faith in the general public...
Retail has the exact same issue.
Loot lockouts per Boss would solve the issue. You can kill the same boss 30 times in a week if you wanted to, but you were un eligible to be traded any loot off of that boss past the first attempt this way all that happens is if you were in a failed group that ditches after Boss, number two you can still join a fresh group understanding that after the second boss you can now be eligible for loot.
I wish I could run gnomer over and over, Work on my rotation but only be eligible for boss drops once per lock out.
"Remember back in Wrath when the moment Twin Valkirs would die everyone would leave?"
Nope. I played with a guild.
Im not a wow player but have played a lot of mmos and the one thing I have noticed so that random groups work and not quit midway to the dungeon or raiding is to put the average gear on the miniboss or the first two to three boss and just put the BIS on the last boss to make sure everyone clears the dungeon or just put the raid on a quest lock where if you don't clear the boss you can just abandon the quest and reset the dungeon? or have an achievement system where clearing the raid consecutively can grant you a title or a special cosmetic or put the BIS gear on a crafting menu where even if you dont fully clear the raid you can still get some fragments or crafting material where if you just do the raid you can get BIS be it taking longer.
The problem is they made a raid that takes a decent group over an hour. You can carry 2 people but not 3 and it will take 2 hours.
I think the issue is worse for dps. As a healer I was randomly messaged if I wanted to do BFD, I said I didn't know the fights (I wasn't planning to raid SOD since I raid in WOTLK). The leader said it was fine, he messaged me what to do on each boss, and we clear everything without wiping.
WoW classes in retail are so complicated that they literally can't ban addons without changing something major (either show buffs/procs better or make classes really boring). Without weakauras, it's actually impossible to play a spec to its max potential.
I want and crave to play wow (Mainly Retail), i log on ...try and join a current group that will give me upgrades ... try sending in requests for far too long (melee dps) - and then play something else .. Just add a auto group maker and the content easier and more visually able to tell what the hell to do.
The sad part is that ranged hunters are actually more valuable than melee hunters. Melee hunters just want our shaman mecha-shredder, meanwhile ranged dps is heavily needed to multiple bosses.