Alfred and Peggy Deller were my parents' best friends. When Mark got a job singing in Salisbury Cathedral and teaching at the choir school, he asked if my Dad had any farm jobs. Dad had him weeding grass for seed over the whole summer. Thus began a lifelong friendship. They were frequent visitors and they often sung in our living room with other friends. Mark started the Guildhall Winter Concerts in our house (I have the programmes) which had Alfred, Donska, Bream and countless others!
The counter-tenor voice is entirely natural and is hugely significant in world music. Purcell himself was a countertenor. It is thanks to Alfred that the voice was rediscovered and much music was heard properly for the first time in many years. Almost all commercial "classical" groups have a counter-tenor, as do many rock bands (Jon Anderson, Phil Bailey) The influence of Alfred's voice is massive. He and Peggy had 3 talented children, Mark, Simon and Jane. So no more babyish comments, please.
Thanks for sharing. My mother didn't really like music BUT she had a windup gramophone w' 4 discs, 3 of which were Deller singing Purcell & Dowland. So Deller 'taught me to sing'. Mum said I even got the 'wobble' which was a tiny flaw in the disc. What did Jane & Simon do? Can anyone say, please?
@@auburnsynge-perrin6075Jane married a chap called John Jacketts - I think that’s the spelling - and Simon was also a musician, but because a Headmaster.
Wow, what a delightful find! My parents played the Deller Consort in my youth and I've been revisiting them and Mr Deller lately. To find Alfred and his son here is just splendid.
Their voices are wonderfully well matched. They produced a recording, which I think is still available on CD, called "Duets for Countertenors", containing about 15 duets -- fantastic repetoire selections and one brilliant performance after another. Very much worth hearing.
I think she was confusing countertenors with castrati... There was a famous quote from Deller in response to a similar question from an overenthusiastic audience member who asked if he was a eunuch. He replied "Madam, I think you mean 'unique'"!
Alfred Deller lit torch by revivingthis form of singing and for many years since it has been carried with great honour by James Bowman. Now in the hands of Andreas Scholl. Long may it continue.
How moving to see a father and son singing contra tenor together. Alfred should be very proud of his son Mark. Wonderful, and lovely to hear. Thank you
I learned this when I was 11 in junior high - we had a wonderful choir teacher named Mr. Broom. I didn't appreciate him much at the time, but I do now, because he gave me an appreciation for beautiful music like this. Thanks Mr. Broom, and all choir teachers!
I first heard the Deller Consort on a Bach Guild record of madrigals by Morley, Wilbye, etc. It made me fall in love with Renaissance vocal music, and indeed started me on my way to a BA in music, specializing in choir and organ. I was very sorry to learn that Alfred had died so young. Of course he would be 100 by now. Could Mark be in his 70s already, like me? My father was born the year before Alfred, 1911.
Contrary to what cherryaron says, the Deller voice is indeed falsetto. I've heard Alfred speaking, and he has a normal baritone voice. The one countertenor I know of who seems to be using his "chest voice" or lower register is Russell Oberlin. Remember, lots of pop singers--and virtually all female singers--use their upper registers. I'm a retired organist and choir leader, and I do know what I'm talking about. I'm also a professor linguistics, specializing in phonetics, so I know a lot about states of the glottis.
As a countertenor myself, I have a deep respect and appreciation for Deller. That being said, I'm glad that we've moved to a fuller, richer tone. I've never been all that enamoured of his singing. Still, we've got so many good countertenors today, and we couldn't have done it without pioneers like Deller.
I too am ,or at least was, a counter tenor in my younger days. When my teacher in London realised that I could be one, this was in the early 1960s, she asked a colleague how to train me, Oh, just treat him asa mezzo, was the reply. and that was what happened,so as well as Purcell Handel etc. For fun I sang a few “trouser role” arias and developed a range of two octaves,from A below the stave to A above, I never really sang professionally, but in quite a few competitions and small private gatherings.with a fellow CT, we performed Sound the Trumpet.
Interesting! Writer of this lovely music, Henry Purcell, was a counter-tenor:much of his music was written for specific voices, esp. counter tenor for obvious reasons. Likewise, Britten wrote the role of Oberon specifically for Alfred as a counter-tenor and not for a soprano. The nearest comparison I can think of is clarinet and straight soprano sax. So many people think the latter is the former: and yet when you know the difference, it's like night and day. AD's daughter: my first girlfriend!
I suspect that a great many singers in the rock/pop world woulod not have been able to gain an audience without Alfred's pioneering voice: The Hi Los, Frankie Valli, Prince, Jon Anderson of Yes, The Tremeloes, The Who, The Beatles, The Rubettes, plus each and every "classical" popular singing group that has one or two counter-tenors in it, plus every single cathedral choir and choral group. Britten, Tippet and many others wrote for Alfred, OBE, and such a nice guy too. Loved the Goons.
Countertenor IS falsetto. All of them, they can also sing baritone, and their speaking voices are in the male range. The only exception I know of is the sopranist Michael Maniaci, who had a medical condition preventing his voice from changing, and his speaking voice is also up in the alto/soprano range. Not making any judgment -- I enjoy countertenor -- but for the most part it is a trained falsetto.
Sheryl Pockrose It is easier for baritones to make the transition to countertenor, as the strength of their falsetto extends into a lower register than that of tenors. Also, some baritone voices acquire a beauty in falsetto that's not discernable when singing in their normal range.
@Ariero22 no this is alfred deller, he was a counter tenor and this is 17th century music. this is serious and by no means a comedy act. i take it that yanks arent very cultured judging by your attitude.
Thank you so much. We had a great time with the Dellers and still keep in touch. We were lucky to meet so many interesting people at Barton Cottage too, and at our home in Wiltshire: Tippett, Britten, Pears, Norman Platt, John Ward, Bream - the list is endless.
And did they all weed for you? - smile. Julian Bream was the HUGE star in 1960s & '70s. A guest on almost every magazine & chat show. He did for classical guitar what Deller did for the counter tenor.
@@TomThatcher1 Although here Desmond is playing guitar my high regard is for his lute playing And yes, Segovia will never be surpassed on classical guitar - but as far as I know he did not play lute. I'm always amazed by how very individualistic every guitar/ lute player, is. As unique as every counter tenor! smile. As Julian Bream was homegrown & lived in England, naturally we saw much more of him than Segovia., on TV & in concerts.
@@auburnsynge-perrin6075Yes, Julian Bream was quite remarkable: he lived in Semley, about ten minutes’ drive from me. Mark often roped him into the Salisbury Guildhall Winter Concers. He didn’t go out a lot, but he did go to the Compasses Inn in Chicksgrove and the Bennett Arms in Semley. Nice bloke and quite chatty!
I love this and I was a male suprano doing this if you saw A chorus fr A Cause last concert. I Have this song Memorized by heart and continue to practice it every day. My goal is to sound like them.
@Ariero22 lol, you do have a point tho - this sort of music is not well known at all, even people who generally listen to classical music have rarely heard music from this age (especially properly sung). The style, the feeling, the sound, those faces: yes it could easily be humourous, especially with the countertenor register acting as the element of surprise. I love this music but I know what you're saying. :)
Thank you for this. What an incredible moment to not only hear but see these two extraordinary talents together. What a thing for a father and son to share. Hope it brought them as much pleasure as it does those of us who have the soul to appreciate their gift.
I am the one who sang the male solo as well wich follows:There is none so blind as he who will not see. I love this song and the way they sing it(Saying this again because it is worth it).
Indeed! Of course, in the western tradition either young boys or (in some countries) castrati sung the higher sections, but the counter-tenor voice is also natural and has a long history from the fifteenth century in all male polyphonic choirs: Purcell himslef was a counter-tenor! It was Alfred's friend and musical collaborator Michael Tippett who suggested the older term "counter-tenor" to Alfred: he himself used "alto" to describe his voice. Yes, Prince has a great range, like McCartney.
Many thanks for this upload, which I've downloaded. Wonderful to see a video of Alfred Deller actually singing (especially with son), so long missing from RUclips. What a gem!
If we recognize our present state, we must inevitably feel the urgency to work toward the awakening of our biological-organoc machine and toward our own transformation. We know that we are at war, and we know the enemy; it is our own complacency, our own willingness to be carried along by the sleep of our organic machine. But once we decide to work, we must accept everything that comes to us in the way of work. Most importantly, we must learn to make decisions rapidly; if we are offered a work-task, it is vital that we accept the task immediately and without hesitation. È. J. GOLD
Esto es fantastico, deberia haber mas videos del gran maestro Alfred Deller, el mas grande de todos yo diria, su hijo tambien es muy bueno, pero tengo una duda, que paso con Mark Deller? despues de la muerte de su padre continuo con el Deller Consort pero despues desaparecio el grupo, aun existe? y que a pasado con el? lo que nunca he sabido es si Mark continuo cantando mas tiempo, lo ultimo que supe es que el mes antepasado creo dirijio a Bowman en el Stour Music Festival con The Fairy Queen.
Thank you so much for this joyful information. I always wondered more about Alfred Deller´s private life, as just a year or so ago, we could not find anything even on Wikipedia. Good for you and thanks again for sharing; and, please, keep sharing!
The Alfred Deller Consort was the first to reintroduce counter-tenor in the early sixties. Other wonderful singers (James Bowman, Andreas Schöll) have followed suit, but to those commentators below who know absolutely NOTHING about music, may I suggest they stick with Johnny Rotten........there's no hope for them.
oggi in questo repertorio si sono evoluti...ma personalmente adoro questa versione ....anche se è affascinante l'accompagnamento pluristrumentale...ho la sensazione questa fosse la realtà fonetica del tempo
cherryarun, it is falsetto. If you prefer a "better" term you can say it's an improved or worked falsetto (-french- singing teachers might call it "voix de fausset travaillée"), or simply head voice. It is a common misconception to take the etymology of falsetto literally and then say that consequelty countertenors are or aren't singing in falsetto, depending on wether you are for or against countertenors.
Alfred and Peggy Deller were my parents' best friends. When Mark got a job singing in Salisbury Cathedral and teaching at the choir school, he asked if my Dad had any farm jobs. Dad had him weeding grass for seed over the whole summer. Thus began a lifelong friendship. They were frequent visitors and they often sung in our living room with other friends. Mark started the Guildhall Winter Concerts in our house (I have the programmes) which had Alfred, Donska, Bream and countless others!
They were amazing! Not what I'd prefer today in terms of sound, but what they started back then... Must have been a great honour for you ;)
@@c.m.b.wagnerbariton9232They were just friends! Jane Deller was my first girlfriend! They sang - we farmed!
The counter-tenor voice is entirely natural and is hugely significant in world music. Purcell himself was a countertenor. It is thanks to Alfred that the voice was rediscovered and much music was heard properly for the first time in many years. Almost all commercial "classical" groups have a counter-tenor, as do many rock bands (Jon Anderson, Phil Bailey) The influence of Alfred's voice is massive. He and Peggy had 3 talented children, Mark, Simon and Jane. So no more babyish comments, please.
Thanks for sharing. My mother didn't really like music BUT she had a windup gramophone w' 4 discs, 3 of which were Deller singing Purcell & Dowland. So Deller 'taught me to sing'. Mum said I even got the 'wobble' which was a tiny flaw in the disc. What did Jane & Simon do? Can anyone say, please?
@@auburnsynge-perrin6075Jane married a chap called John Jacketts - I think that’s the spelling - and Simon was also a musician, but because a Headmaster.
Thanks for that. Became a headmaster - what a lucky, lucky school. I bet its music dept. was the tops. @@TomThatcher1
So often guests at our house. Alfred was my Dad's best friend.
Wow, what a delightful find! My parents played the Deller Consort in my youth and I've been revisiting them and Mr Deller lately. To find Alfred and his son here is just splendid.
Their voices are wonderfully well matched. They produced a recording, which I think is still available on CD, called "Duets for Countertenors", containing about 15 duets -- fantastic repetoire selections and one brilliant performance after another. Very much worth hearing.
I think she was confusing countertenors with castrati... There was a famous quote from Deller in response to a similar question from an overenthusiastic audience member who asked if he was a eunuch. He replied "Madam, I think you mean 'unique'"!
I know this completely by heart... and I'm 15 years old!!!... It's great! I played in a concert where 2 men sang this. We practised a lot!!!
No you're not. You are 25...:)
Alfred Deller lit torch by revivingthis form of singing and for many years since it has been carried with great honour by James Bowman. Now in the hands of Andreas Scholl.
Long may it continue.
You make the listening shores rebound.
How moving to see a father and son singing contra tenor together. Alfred should be very proud of his son Mark. Wonderful, and lovely to hear. Thank you
its wonderful to hear and see Mark sing - - - John Whitworth was the other great counter tenor of that day
John whitworth used to teach me general musicianship at gsM and d in the early sixties. Such a marvellous performer and lovely person
It's amazing how their voices resemble the sound of trumpets!
Muy bello.
I learned this when I was 11 in junior high - we had a wonderful choir teacher named Mr. Broom. I didn't appreciate him much at the time, but I do now, because he gave me an appreciation for beautiful music like this. Thanks Mr. Broom, and all choir teachers!
I first heard the Deller Consort on a Bach Guild record of madrigals by Morley, Wilbye, etc. It made me fall in love with Renaissance vocal music, and indeed started me on my way to a BA in music, specializing in choir and organ. I was very sorry to learn that Alfred had died so young. Of course he would be 100 by now. Could Mark be in his 70s already, like me? My father was born the year before Alfred, 1911.
Absolutely exquisite!
Alfred Deller's other son, Simon, also has a lovely voice.
Bobbie May Simon sings at Ripon Cathedral in Yorkshire!
Thanks for mentioning Simon. I've never heard of him as a singer. Maybe he pursued a different career? or sung More anonymously in an ensemble?
What a lovely performance !!!
Contrary to what cherryaron says, the Deller voice is indeed falsetto. I've heard Alfred speaking, and he has a normal baritone voice. The one countertenor I know of who seems to be using his "chest voice" or lower register is Russell Oberlin. Remember, lots of pop singers--and virtually all female singers--use their upper registers. I'm a retired organist and choir leader, and I do know what I'm talking about. I'm also a professor linguistics, specializing in phonetics, so I know a lot about states of the glottis.
Nonsense. Alfred was a counter-tenor from the day his voice broke. His speaking
Thanks
Такие представительные мужчины и такие высокие голоса,звонкие,чистые,удивительно.Гитара хороша
This is SO wonderful.
As a countertenor myself, I have a deep respect and appreciation for Deller. That being said, I'm glad that we've moved to a fuller, richer tone. I've never been all that enamoured of his singing. Still, we've got so many good countertenors today, and we couldn't have done it without pioneers like Deller.
I too am ,or at least was, a counter tenor in my younger days. When my teacher in London realised that I could be one, this was in the early 1960s, she asked a colleague how to train me, Oh, just treat him asa mezzo, was the reply. and that was what happened,so as well as Purcell Handel etc. For fun I sang a few “trouser role” arias and developed a range of two octaves,from A below the stave to A above, I never really sang professionally, but in quite a few competitions and small private gatherings.with a fellow CT, we performed Sound the Trumpet.
Interesting! Writer of this lovely music, Henry Purcell, was a counter-tenor:much of his music was written for specific voices, esp. counter tenor for obvious reasons. Likewise, Britten wrote the role of Oberon specifically for Alfred as a counter-tenor and not for a soprano. The nearest comparison I can think of is clarinet and straight soprano sax. So many people think the latter is the former: and yet when you know the difference, it's like night and day. AD's daughter: my first girlfriend!
2.40 minutes, I was in heaven
I sang this in choir in junior high. Brings back wonderful memories. What a beautiful piece!
In our senior choir in a girls grammar school in London we sang this . in 1955
the best how amazing Bravo
Thanks so much for posting this ! I've always dreamt to see Alfred Deller perform live but I was too young when he died.
Beautiful music, amazingly sung!
A tomber à genou devant ces voix !
I suspect that a great many singers in the rock/pop world woulod not have been able to gain an audience without Alfred's pioneering voice: The Hi Los, Frankie Valli, Prince, Jon Anderson of Yes, The Tremeloes, The Who, The Beatles, The Rubettes, plus each and every "classical" popular singing group that has one or two counter-tenors in it, plus every single cathedral choir and choral group. Britten, Tippet and many others wrote for Alfred, OBE, and such a nice guy too. Loved the Goons.
An old friend of the Deller family: I’m a blues and rock guitarist who loves Purcell and much classical music. See Grandma Moses Uk on YT.
Disco-Pop singer Jimmie Somerville is a countertenor!
@@josephochlak6853 He is indeed, Joseph ! 😃
Merci de cet instant de Grâce !
Countertenor IS falsetto. All of them, they can also sing baritone, and their speaking voices are in the male range. The only exception I know of is the sopranist Michael Maniaci, who had a medical condition preventing his voice from changing, and his speaking voice is also up in the alto/soprano range. Not making any judgment -- I enjoy countertenor -- but for the most part it is a trained falsetto.
+Sheryl Pockrose saint words!
I think it is. They all can also sing baritone, their "natural" range. If not falsetto -- what do you think it is?
I'm a countertenor and can attest to this. I can sing low C's and B's, and am very comfortable with the baritone registers.
Sheryl Pockrose
It is easier for baritones to make the transition to countertenor, as the strength of their falsetto extends into a lower register than that of tenors. Also, some baritone voices acquire a beauty in falsetto that's not discernable when singing in their normal range.
2:23 Cool dance.
@Ariero22 no this is alfred deller, he was a counter tenor and this is 17th century music. this is serious and by no means a comedy act. i take it that yanks arent very cultured judging by your attitude.
Thank you so much. We had a great time with the Dellers and still keep in touch. We were lucky to meet so many interesting people at Barton Cottage too, and at our home in Wiltshire: Tippett, Britten, Pears, Norman Platt, John Ward, Bream - the list is endless.
theesbband god I envy you
And did they all weed for you? - smile. Julian Bream was the HUGE star in 1960s & '70s. A guest on almost every magazine & chat show. He did for classical guitar what Deller did for the counter tenor.
@@auburnsynge-perrin6075He did, although the Crown should go to Segovia, perhaps!
@@TomThatcher1 Although here Desmond is playing guitar my high regard is for his lute playing And yes, Segovia will never be surpassed on classical guitar - but as far as I know he did not play lute. I'm always amazed by how very individualistic every guitar/ lute player, is. As unique as every counter tenor! smile. As Julian Bream was homegrown & lived in England, naturally we saw much more of him than Segovia., on TV & in concerts.
@@auburnsynge-perrin6075Yes, Julian Bream was quite remarkable: he lived in Semley, about ten minutes’ drive from me. Mark often roped him into the Salisbury Guildhall Winter Concers. He didn’t go out a lot, but he did go to the Compasses Inn in Chicksgrove and the Bennett Arms in Semley. Nice bloke and quite chatty!
Tellement beau, magistral!
I love this and I was a male suprano doing this if you saw A chorus fr A Cause last concert. I Have this song Memorized by heart and continue to practice it every day. My goal is to sound like them.
@Ariero22 lol, you do have a point tho - this sort of music is not well known at all, even people who generally listen to classical music have rarely heard music from this age (especially properly sung). The style, the feeling, the sound, those faces: yes it could easily be humourous, especially with the countertenor register acting as the element of surprise. I love this music but I know what you're saying. :)
im only 2 years old but i listen to this. my generation sucks ass. seriouslee wtf kids.. this is real music.
+JaminJoshy Why a 2 years old boy is saying such bad words?
It was just a joke
Besides I wouldn't be surprised if I saw a 2 year old cussing someone out in these days
JaminJoshy Now that you say it, I agree
Thank you for this. What an incredible moment to not only hear but see these two extraordinary talents together. What a thing for a father and son to share. Hope it brought them as much pleasure as it does those of us who have the soul to appreciate their gift.
id NEVER go up and sing like that with my dad on TV lool!!
Le " grand " A. DELLER (& son fils ? ) Je pensais impossible de les trouver ensemble sur une vidéo. Génial !
ruclips.net/video/JKbhODO_XDU/видео.html
Wonderful!
haha me tooooo and I'm 16 ;) It's absolutely ageless! My friend and I are singing this for a talent show in january :)
This would be wonderful music for Mark Morris to choreograph to. He loves Purcell.
I am the one who sang the male solo as well wich follows:There is none so blind as he who will not see. I love this song and the way they sing it(Saying this again because it is worth it).
Wonderful interpretation. Thank you!
Indeed! Of course, in the western tradition either young boys or (in some countries) castrati sung the higher sections, but the counter-tenor voice is also natural and has a long history from the fifteenth century in all male polyphonic choirs: Purcell himslef was a counter-tenor! It was Alfred's friend and musical collaborator Michael Tippett who suggested the older term "counter-tenor" to Alfred: he himself used "alto" to describe his voice. Yes, Prince has a great range, like McCartney.
Many thanks for this upload, which I've downloaded. Wonderful to see a video of Alfred Deller actually singing (especially with son), so long missing from RUclips. What a gem!
If we recognize our present state, we must inevitably feel the urgency to work toward the awakening of our biological-organoc machine and toward our own transformation. We know that we are at war, and we know the enemy; it is our own complacency, our own willingness to be carried along by the sleep of our organic machine. But once we decide to work, we must accept everything that comes to us in the way of work. Most importantly, we must learn to make decisions rapidly; if we are offered a work-task, it is vital that we accept the task immediately and without hesitation. È. J. GOLD
a miracle
great
Fabuleux!…
Tel pere, tel fils!…
Me super encanta esta interpretacion. Felicitaciones y de verdad,sinceramente - Muchas gracias
Beautiful!
merveille
Magnificent.
wonderful.
You're absolutely very lucky! I consider such peolpe (Alfred Deller, Julian Bream etc.) to be my inspirers and teachers!
Amazing sound!!
Excellent music! :)
This is stunning. I listened with a big smile on my face. Thank you very much for posting.
Esto es fantastico, deberia haber mas videos del gran maestro Alfred Deller, el mas grande de todos yo diria, su hijo tambien es muy bueno, pero tengo una duda, que paso con Mark Deller? despues de la muerte de su padre continuo con el Deller Consort pero despues desaparecio el grupo, aun existe? y que a pasado con el? lo que nunca he sabido es si Mark continuo cantando mas tiempo, lo ultimo que supe es que el mes antepasado creo dirijio a Bowman en el Stour Music Festival con The Fairy Queen.
If you go on Choral-wiki you can download the music for it. Not sure if the guitar score is there but the piano score is.
Богу Слава! Мир вам!
Мир всем!
Amazing. Thank you so much for sharing this with us.
Thank you so much for posting this. I have been listening to Alfred Deller for years but had never seen him.
Thank you so much for this joyful information. I always wondered more about Alfred Deller´s private life, as just a year or so ago, we could not find anything even on Wikipedia. Good for you and thanks again for sharing; and, please, keep sharing!
wonderful
Maravillosos!
If you like this, look up Andrew Leslie Cooper's version - it will blow your mind.
@theesbband Yes, I am very lucky. It was a great time to grow up.
Great stuff.
The Alfred Deller Consort was the first to reintroduce counter-tenor in the early sixties.
Other wonderful singers (James Bowman, Andreas Schöll) have followed suit, but to those commentators below who know absolutely NOTHING about music, may I suggest they stick with Johnny Rotten........there's no hope for them.
Johnny Rotten is good, too, mutatis mutandis, which I think was your point about the extremely important and influential Dellers.
Right!
Stupende voci.
#farming!
Great . and so clever !
oggi in questo repertorio si sono evoluti...ma personalmente adoro questa versione ....anche se è affascinante l'accompagnamento pluristrumentale...ho la sensazione questa fosse la realtà fonetica del tempo
I have severly neglected my falsetto I will practice it using this song.
WOW!
fab!
Alfred, né en 1912, est le père de Mark, né en 1938...
This is fab! Where did you get the video from? Would so love to see more of Deller singing as I just love his voice.
Ganz wundervoll! Danke für dieses seltene Dokument - and, if it is allowed, einen Glückwunsch zum 100. Geburtstag!
A Estela Hernadez le encanta
name of guitarist ?
Desmond Dupre, Alfred’s longtime collaborator!
very good
@villejavat
he was never as good as his dad, but they are the founders of the deller consort if im not much mistaken...?
Excese me, are they father and son?
Thank you.
SERGIO ORTEGA A.
CHILE
Allegria !!!
Desmond Dupree, Alfred's long-term friend and collaborator.
I am with deller
@shariotoflove Considering he's a Swede...
This is awesome :d
I'd love to this with my (unborn) SON! his own damn son!!!
@Ariero22 no its not, its singing
cherryarun, it is falsetto. If you prefer a "better" term you can say it's an improved or worked falsetto (-french- singing teachers might call it "voix de fausset travaillée"), or simply head voice.
It is a common misconception to take the etymology of falsetto literally and then say that consequelty countertenors are or aren't singing in falsetto, depending on wether you are for or against countertenors.
Heureusement que You tube existe !
@JrJustin2000 Yeah, right...
Anyone here knows what happened to Mark Deller?
See? He wasn´t a eunuck! :)