People who think you should compare bullets of the same weight in different bore sizes are ignorant. You should compare bullets of similar sectional densities to get a fair comparison between cartridges with different bore sizes.
Chuck, Good Video. I have a 243 for years and love it. I use it for groundhogs up to deer. Considerusing the Nosler Partition. I use 95 qnd 100 grain out to 150 yards and 85 to 90 grain out to 350 yards! Great bullets!
I bought 200 rounds of the .223 Deer Season ammo two or three years ago. I didn’t buy it for deer hunting, but because I wanted an expanding bullet that wouldn’t “explode” on coyotes or for home defense. While coyote hunting a deer walked out just over 100 yds away. One shot broadside in the chest and he dropped instantly. The lungs were pulp. I say this because from a transfer of energy standpoint cup and core separation isn’t a horrible thing in the right circumstances.
Federal fusion in the 243 is a great one. My wife really likes it. And the Winchester deer 🦌 season round has been a good one to for the 243. 6.5 I shoot 140 match Hornady and 140 American gunner. Have a couple boxes of the Federal fusion haven't tried that yet cause in really happy with the Hornady. Happy shooting and good look in the woods.
chuck I don't generally comment on videos, but nicely done. like you I hunt blackmails, the .243 is in my opinion a fantastic choice, I have hunted the Oregon coast range and the Cascades for 45 years and for the deer here it is more than adequate and in fact punches outside it's weight class. many say that it is a good choice for kids and women as a starter cartridge, but as an experienced hunter and hand loader I find it ideal for anyone, but shot placement is key..I sent one to the Oregon record book with my mod. 7 .243 last fall
After loading the .243 for 50+ years, I know what makes it work for my use. After seeing some unexplained failures of the 6.5 Creedmore, I`ll stick with the .243. I think the bullets I`ve seen used in the 6.5 are too heavily constructed for deer, and that could simply be the buyers choice of store bought ammo. I use the Sierra 85 grain HPBT Game King in the .243 for everything and have never been disappointed. My rifles are Steyr Mannlicher full stock and Sako L579 full stock.
That's a cool rifle, wish I could see it. I've taken a caribou dropped right there at 288 yards with 6.5 creedmoor, barnes 127gr LRX, and a big bull moose at 200 yards with my 6.5x284 going only a 100 fps faster than a creedmoor. Dropped it on the 2nd shot (my first shot was a little high). Most 6.5 creedmoor hunters buy into the ELD-X which shatters easily and doesn't leave a blood trail. When it shatters, it transfers energy, but doesn't necessarily penetrate through enough to smash vitals
@AlaskanBallistics What I have seen has been pass through with very small exit holes. All wasted energy with deer not going down even after a kill shot was made. A few years ago I started to use the .223 with 65 grain Game Kings and have not had a single bad experience. I shot a 225 lb. buck a few days with the AR15 the other day, no problem. All of my hunting is done at short range, less than 100 yards. Have a good year and a Merry Christmas.
The best thing about new, cool, awesome bullets is that they don’t make the old standards any less good! They, 6.5CM and the like, are better in many ways but that doesn’t change the old ones!
Buddy I worked with year ago, spent his youth taking Elk in CO. With hand rolled 243 loads his grandfather made up. Using a Nosler partition 100gr. I have used a bit on , southern whitetail and hogs. Black bear are still elusive. I wouldn't think twice taking one with a well placed shot. You Juneau deer should be good to go 👍
I personally think both are excellent calibers for deer sized game. I have a Remington Model 7 .243 that was made in the early 90’s. My dad bought it for me as my first hunting rifle. It is a great gun! It is very light and handy and has killed many deer with no problem out to around 300 yards. However as you mentioned the 6.5 Creedmoor does have advantages over the 243 in terms of energy, ballistics coefficient, heavier bullet selection, etc. For somebody shooting no further than 300 yards at deer sized game I think either one is a fantastic choice with proper bullet selection. However, for longer range or for somebody who just wants a little more punch than the 243 can deliver, I would go 6.5 Creedmoor.
Nice video, I have experience with both. Great guns to start deer hunting with! I prefer the 6.5 with the extra bullet weight. 129 grain took out my doe in it's tracks 175 yard shot
Winchester Deer Season .30/30 are worth it. But inside 100yrds with a 170gr projectile had better be. I shoot .243 Remington Core-Lokt 95gr., "The Green Tip". I'll put them through steel plates at 100 yards but not get an exit wound on a deer at that same distance. New to your channel. Very thorough.
I took a sika deer yesterday at 100 yards with my 243. Shooting the 95 deer season XP. Dropped it on the spot with a golf ball sized exit wound. I'd be confident having a go at smaller deer like Sika out to near 400 yards if conditions were good. On red deer I'll probably keep it below 300 yards or closer. Regards from New Zealand.
I had the same issue with XP, total separation. Sierra gameking, American Whitetail, Federal soft points hold together for the most part and are cup and core.
I prefer the 243 living in a rural area. I will always be able to find that caliber. The 6.5 sounds fancy. The 243 has done the job for twenty years in this house.
I like the .243 winchester a lot but also like the 6.5 creedmoor a lot. I like that the creedmoor shoots heavy for caliber bullets. I like that it's basically an improved .260 Remington which should have been one of the best deer rounds ever but never caught on.
I agree that, especially in this day and age, with modern manufacturing that I don't like bullets that separate. Based on what I've seen I really like those GMX bullets or the LRX I think they are. There's my 2 cents that are probably only worth about a half penny. LOL
.25% of a penny with inflation. Lol Thanks for watching and i couldn't agree more. Gmx ttsx lrx are the best bullets out there... followed by the accubond long range and terminal ascent
Im using 80 grain gmx hornady outfitters ammo from my 243 and it works wonders. 1 shot , 1 kill every time. I love these horandy bullets. I used deer season xp last year and they really do work on deer like they are suppossed to, kill them . I just have to buy whatever my local hardware store has for their every 6 month or so new batch so it sucks , you have to stock up while you can. Somebody came and bought all the 308 in 1 shot, probably 20 boxes hahaha. Good thing i was using 270 at the time and there was plenty.
If you get a chance, try out the 124 grain Hammer Hunter bullet in the 6.5 Creedmoor. Load between 37-40 grains of Varget. It's a mono, but acts like a Nosler Partition by design.
Good video.. I'm in South Central Indiana where we are limited on what we can use, but I love the .243 as it's a great round for coyotes and crows and ground hogs and can be used for deer too.. Bullet construction is everything as you mentioned. I would use the .243 but only because I'm comfortable with it.. I used to have a Remington Varmint 700 in 6mm remington which is about identical to the .243 and it was a barn burner too.. If I lived in Alaska I'd go with the 6.5 Creedmoor probably though just because of the bigger game you have there and the energy delivered.
@@AlaskanBallistics Yeah, I totally get it.. I would use the 7mm mag too brother.. Good hunting and regards from the heartland. South Central Indiana. Tim
For deer/ caribou alone, the 6.5 might have a slight edge, but its hard to beat the versatility of .243. I think you should name that eagle that watches all your comparisons and ask it which cartridge performed better. He watches all of them.
Alaska I just got back from testing 39.5 gr IMR4064 and Barnes TTSX 80gr. In Lapua once fired brass. Fired by CCI Large rifle primers. Neck sized only with Lee neck collet die. Chronographed 3340, 3333 and 3331. Average of 3334.6 fps. At 100 yards .439 group. From a Tikka t3 superlite and Athlon Ares 4.5-27x50 btr gen2 HD APLR4 scope. 748 elevation Sunny 83 degrees, 2 mph winds with 6mph gusts. 30.44 inch pressure 63 dew point Primers round brass good. More room to go.
@@AlaskanBallistics I'm gonna try 40gr. If that doesn't get 3400 40.3gr to 40.5 should. 3400 fps without pressure signs is what I'd like, but 3334.6 ain't bad.
Heavier bullets increase BC. Heavier 243 bullets like a 110-115 will achieve a much better BC, somewhere around 550. It will lower the velocity too, but it would still be faster than the 6.5.
Sure appreciate the footage & data. It is very valuable info & quite entertaining also. I don't have much personal experience with high power rifle on any big game. I have only used 44 magnum, 12 gauge slug, 50 cal muzzleloader & 223(ar-15) to harvest many whitetail. So I am not a good witness but I can't imagine that a whitetail could withstand a hit like that in any appropriate shot placement. Again, you all have the experience...but...BROTHER...WOW...those had impressive results. Thanks again my friend. Stay well.
6.5 deer season Didnt please me. Upped to 140g core lokts and loved them. Every deer either dropped or ran less than 10 yards! Now with ammo shortage i can’t find them and have to shoot Norma 140s and Hornady 129s kind of worried how my season is going to turn out
If you can find 140gr fusion that's even better but 129gr interlock should be okay. Not familiar with Norma whitetail ammo but their Oryx line is great
I'm not on the Creedmoor ban wagon and I have both I simply look at the Creedmoor as an upgraded .243 hunting wise and just a fun target round for long range shooting
I would use it if it’s all I had but definitely not anywhere near a top choice for me with this ammo is any caliber. Would love to see a core lokt rest with 243. I know that’s easy for me to say. Probably can’t find any! Always like videos buddy
I may be wrong but I don’t think the Deer Season bullets are bonded bullets. I’ve not used them i shoot Nosler ballistic tips in all my rifle rounds I load. Except my AR
thanks for showing this combo. Personally I have 7 boxes of 100gr .243 power point's stashed for these times. Saw some of these at a local brick and morter. I'm glad I passed on buying them. What are your thoughts on the 100gr power points in .243? In my neck of the woods, I have never had to shoot anything past 250 yards. generally nothing beyond 175
My experience with 243 is deer will often run after being shot even with a very good hit. And that would be ok but with the smaller bullet and sometimes no exit hole there sometimes is little to no blood trail. Have lost a few deer because of this. That being said good round for youth to get started. Just be aware of it's capabilities
@@AlaskanBallistics a lot of old timers don't trust the new stuff. Was listening to an old gun Smith who was talking about minimum sectional density for penetration was like .25 and when I asked about monolithic slugs he got pissed.
Wife recently has some mechanical issues with her 308. Depending on if it is worth fixing, considering getting her a 6.5 as she only hunts deer and a session at the range beats her up with the 308.
Forgive me for extra comment but I did get a Ruger American Compact in 243 for my youngest & ladies in the house to hunt whitetail. I picked up a good bit of 100gr. Hornady BTSP Interlock. I am inclined to believe they will be really good on Great Lakes whitetail. 100-125lb doe & 150-200lb. Buck. Ranges will be mostly under 200 yards. Any thoughts from you all?
@@AlaskanBallistics That doesn't surprise me. In the future when the world stops spinning out of control I intend to go GMX or Barnes. But I got these from a fellow hunter. Appreciate you all. Take care.
I have a couple boxes of the 6.5 Creedmoor and seems to shoot pretty well in my Ruger Varmint Target. With it having a 28” barrel and I don’t have a chronograph so I can only guess what my speed is.
243 win is my go to in light deer calibers. Not saying if I have got 243 win long time ago when in my 20s in 6.5 was out would grabe it. 6.5 creedmore dose offer better heavier bullets. That 243win doesn't like. 243win is 100gr or less few of them will shoot the 103 or 105gr ok . 95gr deer session winchesters new load from them self I think they went away from nosler. Bc use be a winchesters 95gr Silvertip ballistic tip. Load them in nickel case's. With nosler balistic tips Silvertips. As of cup and core ran them since I been kid. With not lot of issue take Pennsylvania deer. Lot fell to remington core-lock jsp 175gr 7mm . Just got some winchesters sp 175gr to see how they do. Seen Remington cor-loc bond for first time recently. In 243 win. Also seen the bullets for reloading
I think there are cup and core bullets that are ok but you need to have heavy enough bullets to lose the weight they are going to lose and still retain enough to get the penetration you need I have always been suspect of those deer season XP bullets in any weight less than 180 grains. It may make a .30-06 dump all of it's energy inside a deer. I think that they do not preform as well at higher velocities meaning striking velocity over 2700 fps. I also maintain that not all cup and core bullets are created equal Remington core lokts for instance I have had good luck with out of a 7 mag despite the higher velocity that tends to tear up lesser cup and core bullets I think the Hornady interlocks are a distant second they can get torn up by higher impact velocities though but I would not hesitate to use a 165 or heavier interlock on elk and caribou coming out of a .308 bump it to 180 and it's fine in a 30-06 but if you are shooting a 300 Magnum you need a tougher bullet. Winchester power points rate below the interlock but heavy for caliber and modest velocities they should be fine. These deer season XPs and Sierra game kings are at the bottom of my list for cup and core bullets.
I gave up on Rem CLs a long time ago. Had too many of them disintegrate. I've thrown in the towel on all lead bullets at this point and only use Barnes or GMXs for all my hunting.
I had a question about 308. Specifically about a 220grn load. I see hornady sells a 220grn interlock bullet for reloading. It’s the only one rated for dangerous game. There is not much on the web about these or Sierra 220grn except speculation and questions about it. Is a 220grn bullet feasible for dangerous game ? I have the bullets, brass, and powder. But just didn’t get large rifle primers in time (sucks for me). Any opinions? Thanks!
Bullet construction is more important than bullet weight. The hornady gmx in 165 or 180gr will be just fine and won't have the issues with needing a faster twist rate to stabilize.
@@AlaskanBallistics 220 will stabilize just fine with a 1 in 10 twist which can be found in .308 Winchester. The real problem is, the .308 doesn't have the case capacity to drive a bullet that heavy to a useful velocity. If you want to use a 220 grain .308 diameter bullet on thin skinned dangerous game, it needs to be coming out of a .30-'06 or one of the .30 caliber magnums.
@@AlaskanBallistics My model 99 f is supposed to be a 1 in 12, but, using the marked cleaning rod method, it actually measures 1 in 10. Original barrel.
I like Winchester 55 grain soft points in my 223 deer rifle with drop-in-their-tracks success. I'd like to see you try the equivalents it on this comparison. 👍
I wouldn't use deer season even for deer. I have no problems with cup and core bullets for deer sized game, I've had really good luck with hornady interlocks, eldx and sst in my handloads, as well as remington core lokt and federal power shock in factory ammo. My favorite cup and core is probably the interlock. Never lost a deer with one.
@@AlaskanBallistics not in my experience. Shot 2 does with them and both were complete pass through. One even hit the offside shoulder and still busted through
I've used federal fusion and had mostly consistent results with just a few deer kills where the bullet had very little mushrooming and one that didn't change shape at all was still in a point with rifleing marks but nothing else. Seem to be a very tough bullet, they don't want to come apart. What do you make of that ?
I love the meat targets followed by water jug videos. IMO they are a great media for testing bullet performance. They're also just fun to watch. I completely agree with the design (not the weight) of the bullet being the deciding factor on performance. While either of the rounds tested may work on a broadside small whitetail deer I don't thing they're ideal. I'd rather have a bonded bullet or a Nosler Partition.
It’s getting ridiculous when people have to put a Disclaimer on a shooting video. It’s your choice what you want to shoot when you want to shoot it. It’s nobody’s business in my opinion but it is what it is I reckon.
Have both calibre rifles tikka 243 which I shoot two different loads a 55gr and 95gr ballistic silver tips and the 6.5 cm shoot the precision hunter 143 gr vmax have the 6.5cm for euthanasing heavy boned animal along with 243 with the 95gr work well and the 55gr load rabbits foxes out to 300m plus ,6.5cm for anything the 243 will not easily manage ie a flighty injured horses, cows etc after bush fires for instance with many stock and wildlife getting smashed by fires cars and fences.... also plenty of rabbits and foxes when i come across them ,get awesome groups with tikka and howas . Also shoot .223rem and 22lr. ballistic silver tips winchester ,hornady vmax and buffalo river ballistic tips for varmints rabbits, foxes been enjoying getting a few hare or jackrabbit with shot gun as I get older.
I am in Louisiana, we only have whitetail and hogs here in terms of anything decent in size . I just sold my bigger caliber firearms cause I am done dealing with the recoil. I have bought a .223,.243 and 6.5 creedmoor. All of those are used for hunting our hogs and deer, can't wait to see how each of them performs. I am only using the .223 on hogs. My kids and I will be splitting up between the other two, think I am gonna take the 6.5 for myself.
I like old Winchester rifles and calibers but their rifle ammo is very inconsistent, from case overall length to bullet seat depth, winchester primers are good to go ....
Both I like,but the 6.5 just smokes the 243 at long range...lol 6mm Creedmoore? That is the only cartridge I have seen on the shelves here in over a year,lots of boxes of that and 28 gauge lol.....I love that round!
When you compare different calibers use section density and bullet design, I use the Hornady IL 129 grains for the 6.5 Creedmoor it holds together a little longer for your larger deer sized game, I would say do your next test with the Hornady Inerlock, I don't use copper in rifles that can't get higher velocities I use bonded for larger than deer sized game, just my two cents, aim small good hunting, GOD bless.
People who think you should compare bullets of the same weight in different bore sizes are ignorant. You should compare bullets of similar sectional densities to get a fair comparison between cartridges with different bore sizes.
Totally agreed
I tend to think you should compare the cartridges bases unintended use. Which is exactly what you did. Good show!
thank you!
Chuck, Good Video. I have a 243 for years and love it. I use it for groundhogs up to deer. Considerusing the Nosler Partition. I use 95 qnd 100 grain out to 150 yards and 85 to 90 grain out to 350 yards! Great bullets!
Thanks. The nosler partitions would be awesome. The federal fusions do well as well
You made a lot of great comments on bullets and their performance in this video, and I agree with you 100%.
This video was pretty much a dog on winchester deer season
@@AlaskanBallistics Definitely wasn't looking good for that ammo.
I like my 243 I just ordered 100 pieces of brass to load up some rounds of Nosler ballistic tips for it
I bought 200 rounds of the .223 Deer Season ammo two or three years ago. I didn’t buy it for deer hunting, but because I wanted an expanding bullet that wouldn’t “explode” on coyotes or for home defense. While coyote hunting a deer walked out just over 100 yds away. One shot broadside in the chest and he dropped instantly. The lungs were pulp. I say this because from a transfer of energy standpoint cup and core separation isn’t a horrible thing in the right circumstances.
Hit it in the heart and you would never find it lol
New CX Hornady 130 grain bullets. Comparing 6.5 creedmoor and 7mm-08.
I'll need to look into that
Federal fusion in the 243 is a great one. My wife really likes it. And the Winchester deer 🦌 season round has been a good one to for the 243. 6.5 I shoot 140 match Hornady and 140 American gunner. Have a couple boxes of the Federal fusion haven't tried that yet cause in really happy with the Hornady. Happy shooting and good look in the woods.
I've got a video on the fusion actually. Good stuff
hard to go wrong with Nosler Partitions, but some Trophy Copper bullets would be really cool to see! Thank you for the video.
When we can find them my brother.
Been wanting to try the Speer 100gr Grand Slams.
I absolutely love my 243 I hunt mule deer 400 yards and EN with a 90 gr nosler accu bond
Nice. Wish i had done of those to test
Very Informative, good Job Chuck 👍🏾
Thank you Hank!
chuck I don't generally comment on videos, but nicely done. like you I hunt blackmails, the .243 is in my opinion a fantastic choice, I have hunted the Oregon coast range and the Cascades for 45 years and for the deer here it is more than adequate and in fact punches outside it's weight class. many say that it is a good choice for kids and women as a starter cartridge, but as an experienced hunter and hand loader I find it ideal for anyone, but shot placement is key..I sent one to the Oregon record book with my mod. 7 .243 last fall
Nice! Keep hunting with that .243! Eat well my friend
Okay, and what bullet are you using in your hand loads?
@silvermediastudio i use 127gr barnes lrx in my creedmoor and 6.5x284 Norma
@@silvermediastudio I run 100 grain interlocks with a max charge of Varget for deer and an 87 gr. Hornady V-max for Coyotes and Rock chucks.
After loading the .243 for 50+ years, I know what makes it work for my use. After seeing some unexplained failures of the 6.5 Creedmore, I`ll stick with the .243. I think the bullets I`ve seen used in the 6.5 are too heavily constructed for deer, and that could simply be the buyers choice of store bought ammo. I use the Sierra 85 grain HPBT Game King in the .243 for everything and have never been disappointed. My rifles are Steyr Mannlicher full stock and Sako L579 full stock.
That's a cool rifle, wish I could see it.
I've taken a caribou dropped right there at 288 yards with 6.5 creedmoor, barnes 127gr LRX, and a big bull moose at 200 yards with my 6.5x284 going only a 100 fps faster than a creedmoor. Dropped it on the 2nd shot (my first shot was a little high).
Most 6.5 creedmoor hunters buy into the ELD-X which shatters easily and doesn't leave a blood trail. When it shatters, it transfers energy, but doesn't necessarily penetrate through enough to smash vitals
@AlaskanBallistics What I have seen has been pass through with very small exit holes. All wasted energy with deer not going down even after a kill shot was made. A few years ago I started to use the .223 with 65 grain Game Kings and have not had a single bad experience. I shot a 225 lb. buck a few days with the AR15 the other day, no problem. All of my hunting is done at short range, less than 100 yards. Have a good year and a Merry Christmas.
@davidinghram2494 you too merry Christmas.
You won't go wrong with barnes LRX in any caliber
yes sir now I feel better about my 243 lol we have little tiny deer in juneau I think the 243 would be perfect for that,you think so?
The best thing about new, cool, awesome bullets is that they don’t make the old standards any less good! They, 6.5CM and the like, are better in many ways but that doesn’t change the old ones!
Buddy I worked with year ago, spent his youth taking Elk in CO. With hand rolled 243 loads his grandfather made up. Using a Nosler partition 100gr.
I have used a bit on , southern whitetail and hogs. Black bear are still elusive. I wouldn't think twice taking one with a well placed shot.
You Juneau deer should be good to go 👍
Killed my caribou just fine
Sorry 243
I personally think both are excellent calibers for deer sized game. I have a Remington Model 7 .243 that was made in the early 90’s. My dad bought it for me as my first hunting rifle. It is a great gun! It is very light and handy and has killed many deer with no problem out to around 300 yards. However as you mentioned the 6.5 Creedmoor does have advantages over the 243 in terms of energy, ballistics coefficient, heavier bullet selection, etc. For somebody shooting no further than 300 yards at deer sized game I think either one is a fantastic choice with proper bullet selection. However, for longer range or for somebody who just wants a little more punch than the 243 can deliver, I would go 6.5 Creedmoor.
A completely. Fair assessment. Plenty of people kill caribou with both. Godspeed
Thank you! God Bless!
Good video. You put a lot of work into you testing. Thanks for sharing. Take care.
Thank you.
Nice video, I have experience with both. Great guns to start deer hunting with! I prefer the 6.5 with the extra bullet weight. 129 grain took out my doe in it's tracks 175 yard shot
Nice. I like my 127gr barnes LRX. Sledgehammered my cow caribou. Good hunting my friend
Winchester Deer Season .30/30 are worth it. But inside 100yrds with a 170gr projectile had better be. I shoot .243 Remington Core-Lokt 95gr., "The Green Tip". I'll put them through steel plates at 100 yards but not get an exit wound on a deer at that same distance. New to your channel. Very thorough.
Thank you. Glad you found something that works for you. Godspeed.
I took a sika deer yesterday at 100 yards with my 243. Shooting the 95 deer season XP.
Dropped it on the spot with a golf ball sized exit wound.
I'd be confident having a go at smaller deer like Sika out to near 400 yards if conditions were good. On red deer I'll probably keep it below 300 yards or closer.
Regards from New Zealand.
Good luck and good hunting
They both have their place, but carry a 30 06 or 7 mag if you want to kill stuff
I've killed caribou with .30-06, 7mm Rem Mag and 6.5 creedmoor. They're all in the freezer.
I had the same issue with XP, total separation. Sierra gameking, American Whitetail, Federal soft points hold together for the most part and are cup and core.
I prefer the 243 living in a rural area. I will always be able to find that caliber. The
6.5 sounds fancy. The 243 has done the job for twenty years in this house.
Then the 6.5 would just be able to do it even better.
Both are excellent cartridges.
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That Barnes TSX ammo you tested in your 270 Win video with Chuke puts this Winchester Deer Season cup and core ammo to shame.
To be fair that was the ttsx but yes you're right.
Tsx won't open up at longer range
Winchesters 243 copper impact, 85 grain bullet. verses the 243 95 grain bullet xp , thank you
If I can find some i will eventually
I like the .243 winchester a lot but also like the 6.5 creedmoor a lot. I like that the creedmoor shoots heavy for caliber bullets. I like that it's basically an improved .260 Remington which should have been one of the best deer rounds ever but never caught on.
They're all there good rounds
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I could tell! Thanks for watching and your comments
I agree that, especially in this day and age, with modern manufacturing that I don't like bullets that separate. Based on what I've seen I really like those GMX bullets or the LRX I think they are.
There's my 2 cents that are probably only worth about a half penny. LOL
.25% of a penny with inflation. Lol
Thanks for watching and i couldn't agree more. Gmx ttsx lrx are the best bullets out there... followed by the accubond long range and terminal ascent
Im using 80 grain gmx hornady outfitters ammo from my 243 and it works wonders. 1 shot , 1 kill every time. I love these horandy bullets. I used deer season xp last year and they really do work on deer like they are suppossed to, kill them . I just have to buy whatever my local hardware store has for their every 6 month or so new batch so it sucks , you have to stock up while you can. Somebody came and bought all the 308 in 1 shot, probably 20 boxes hahaha. Good thing i was using 270 at the time and there was plenty.
The hornady gmx is a much better bullet.
If you get a chance, try out the 124 grain Hammer Hunter bullet in the 6.5 Creedmoor. Load between 37-40 grains of Varget. It's a mono, but acts like a Nosler Partition by design.
Will do. You can ship bullets for handloading here.
Good video.. I'm in South Central Indiana where we are limited on what we can use, but I love the .243 as it's a great round for coyotes and crows and ground hogs and can be used for deer too.. Bullet construction is everything as you mentioned. I would use the .243 but only because I'm comfortable with it.. I used to have a Remington Varmint 700 in 6mm remington which is about identical to the .243 and it was a barn burner too..
If I lived in Alaska I'd go with the 6.5 Creedmoor probably though just because of the bigger game you have there and the energy delivered.
I only hunt with my 6.5 creedmoor in the winter after the bears have gone asleep lol... we use 7mm Rem Mag and .300 win mag or better up here
@@AlaskanBallistics Yeah, I totally get it.. I would use the 7mm mag too brother.. Good hunting and regards from the heartland. South Central Indiana. Tim
@hoosierdaddy2308 thanks Tim. I did kill a caribou with my 6.5 creedmoor
There is solid 243 rounds if you can find them or if they are still made......I have some 243..turned Barnes solid spitzer bullets.....
For deer/ caribou alone, the 6.5 might have a slight edge, but its hard to beat the versatility of .243.
I think you should name that eagle that watches all your comparisons and ask it which cartridge performed better. He watches all of them.
Lol true about the eagle
But I'd say c the creedmoor is way more versatile
I think both cartridges are good, just need a better bullet, although I doubt I would ever hunt with either one
I killed my first deer with a .243 39 years ago. Good little round for small whitetail deer.
Yes they are
Alaska I just got back from testing 39.5 gr IMR4064 and Barnes TTSX 80gr. In Lapua once fired brass. Fired by CCI Large rifle primers. Neck sized only with Lee neck collet die. Chronographed 3340, 3333 and 3331. Average of 3334.6 fps. At 100 yards
.439 group. From a Tikka t3 superlite and Athlon Ares 4.5-27x50 btr gen2 HD APLR4 scope.
748 elevation
Sunny
83 degrees, 2 mph winds with 6mph gusts.
30.44 inch pressure
63 dew point
Primers round brass good.
More room to go.
Sweet nice job
@@AlaskanBallistics
I'm gonna try 40gr. If that doesn't get 3400 40.3gr to 40.5 should. 3400 fps without pressure signs is what I'd like, but 3334.6 ain't bad.
👍 I do have a 243 with a 20” barrel neat little gun single shot 😔
Good rifles
Chris I have a Rossi single shot 243 myself I like the little rifle
Randle Richardson mine is a New England lite youth
Heavier bullets increase BC. Heavier 243 bullets like a 110-115 will achieve a much better BC, somewhere around 550. It will lower the velocity too, but it would still be faster than the 6.5.
But you'd have to have a custom twist barrel
@@AlaskanBallistics yes you do for super heavy ones. A factory twist should stabilize up to a 120gr
Sure appreciate the footage & data. It is very valuable info & quite entertaining also. I don't have much personal experience with high power rifle on any big game. I have only used 44 magnum, 12 gauge slug, 50 cal muzzleloader & 223(ar-15) to harvest many whitetail. So I am not a good witness but I can't imagine that a whitetail could withstand a hit like that in any appropriate shot placement. Again, you all have the experience...but...BROTHER...WOW...those had impressive results. Thanks again my friend. Stay well.
Thanks again my friend. You must hunt in brush country. You should consider a more long range precision rifle for SHTF scenario though. And for fun
@@AlaskanBallistics Yes sir it is called the Northwoods for that very reason. But we are going to hunt some clear cuts this year. 200+ yard shots.
@@guardianminifarm8005 either of these will do that.
6.5 deer season Didnt please me. Upped to 140g core lokts and loved them. Every deer either dropped or ran less than 10 yards! Now with ammo shortage i can’t find them and have to shoot Norma 140s and Hornady 129s kind of worried how my season is going to turn out
If you can find 140gr fusion that's even better but 129gr interlock should be okay. Not familiar with Norma whitetail ammo but their Oryx line is great
I really enjoy your videos and the way you do your videos.👊🏻🇺🇸
Thank you kindly! Godspeed and good hunting
The marketing dept hit again, calling ammo 'deer season' for stuff that is not fit for hunting deer, thanks for you videos!
Thank you for watching. They have an all copper deer season and I'd like to try that when ammo becomes available again
I'm not on the Creedmoor ban wagon and I have both I simply look at the Creedmoor as an upgraded .243 hunting wise and just a fun target round for long range shooting
The 6.5 creedmoor has much better bullet weights for hunting
Good point
And the bandwagon is nearly 20 years old
@AlaskanBallistics as usual I'm late to the party hahahaha
Understand me too
I love both calibers. But you're right, that ammo isn't fit for anything higher than coyotes
Very true
I would use it if it’s all I had but definitely not anywhere near a top choice for me with this ammo is any caliber. Would love to see a core lokt rest with 243. I know that’s easy for me to say. Probably can’t find any! Always like videos buddy
Test I mean
My buddy might have some
Got a Remington 243, haven't shot it yet its used but i like it already according to most vids i see about the 243!
Nothing wrong with that. Wouldn't use this ammo
Where is the best place to purchase your reloading supplies?
Online, midway
In person
Artic Ammo in Wasilla
I may be wrong but I don’t think the Deer Season bullets are bonded bullets. I’ve not used them i shoot Nosler ballistic tips in all my rifle rounds I load. Except my AR
thanks for showing this combo. Personally I have 7 boxes of 100gr .243 power point's stashed for these times. Saw some of these at a local brick and morter. I'm glad I passed on buying them. What are your thoughts on the 100gr power points in .243? In my neck of the woods, I have never had to shoot anything past 250 yards. generally nothing beyond 175
If they're accurate in your rifle use them. They've performed better in my tests here on the channel than corelokt or hornady Interlock.
243 drop deers really really well right where they stand if you got good bullet placement haven't shot a deer yet with the 6-5 Creedmoor
They'll both do well probably. I'd choose a different Ammunition than this.....
My experience with 243 is deer will often run after being shot even with a very good hit. And that would be ok but with the smaller bullet and sometimes no exit hole there sometimes is little to no blood trail. Have lost a few deer because of this. That being said good round for youth to get started. Just be aware of it's capabilities
Use the barnes ttsx
I wanted a 6cm really bad but couldn't find any I liked. I found that I could get 6.5 with small primer pockets so I went with it
Yeah I've got a few pieces of small Primer brass
Awesome video, babe
Thank you Beautiful
Are you talking to me?
No
Slug weight seems to have been more important when cup and core was all they had. With modern ammo, not such an issue now.
Agreed though I'm wondering why they're still using cup and core here
@@AlaskanBallistics a lot of old timers don't trust the new stuff. Was listening to an old gun Smith who was talking about minimum sectional density for penetration was like .25 and when I asked about monolithic slugs he got pissed.
Then he's never used them or studied them
@@AlaskanBallistics agreed
Wife recently has some mechanical issues with her 308. Depending on if it is worth fixing, considering getting her a 6.5 as she only hunts deer and a session at the range beats her up with the 308.
Forgive me for extra comment but I did get a Ruger American Compact in 243 for my youngest & ladies in the house to hunt whitetail. I picked up a good bit of 100gr. Hornady BTSP Interlock. I am inclined to believe they will be really good on Great Lakes whitetail. 100-125lb doe & 150-200lb. Buck. Ranges will be mostly under 200 yards. Any thoughts from you all?
Should do better than these.
@@AlaskanBallistics I was inclined to believe that they would. Appreciate the input.
I'd still go all copper Ballistics tips
@@AlaskanBallistics That doesn't surprise me. In the future when the world stops spinning out of control I intend to go GMX or Barnes. But I got these from a fellow hunter. Appreciate you all. Take care.
I have a couple boxes of the 6.5 Creedmoor and seems to shoot pretty well in my Ruger Varmint Target. With it having a 28” barrel and I don’t have a chronograph so I can only guess what my speed is.
Would be interesting to know. The savage loves that ammo, the Bergara not so much
Federal Premium 6.5 Terminal Ascent and 243. Terminal Ascent
@millerkingeekuk494 cool I just got 3 boxes of 6.5 terminal ascent
Great video... looks like the 6.5 may have won this video.. I thought the .243 would do better then it did... this is a great video
Thank you kindly
Shot my first deer with this ammo (6.5 Creedmoor). 140lb deer, broadside at 130 yards. Outstanding performance. The deer went 10 yards, maybe 20.
Interesting. The 6.5 creedmoor didn't do well in testing. Don't shoot anything larger. Congrats on a good hunt and eat well!!!
@@AlaskanBallistics Side note... I live in Florida, so deer aren't that big here. But it did well.
Fair enough.
I wouldn't use it on anything larger. Especially after the performance of barnes LRX 127gr on my caribou last year.
243 win is my go to in light deer calibers. Not saying if I have got 243 win long time ago when in my 20s in 6.5 was out would grabe it. 6.5 creedmore dose offer better heavier bullets. That 243win doesn't like. 243win is 100gr or less few of them will shoot the 103 or 105gr ok .
95gr deer session winchesters new load from them self I think they went away from nosler. Bc use be a winchesters 95gr Silvertip ballistic tip. Load them in nickel case's. With nosler balistic tips Silvertips.
As of cup and core ran them since I been kid. With not lot of issue take Pennsylvania deer. Lot fell to remington core-lock jsp 175gr 7mm . Just got some winchesters sp 175gr to see how they do. Seen Remington cor-loc bond for first time recently. In 243 win. Also seen the bullets for reloading
I think there are cup and core bullets that are ok but you need to have heavy enough bullets to lose the weight they are going to lose and still retain enough to get the penetration you need I have always been suspect of those deer season XP bullets in any weight less than 180 grains. It may make a .30-06 dump all of it's energy inside a deer.
I think that they do not preform as well at higher velocities meaning striking velocity over 2700 fps.
I also maintain that not all cup and core bullets are created equal Remington core lokts for instance I have had good luck with out of a 7 mag despite the higher velocity that tends to tear up lesser cup and core bullets I think the Hornady interlocks are a distant second they can get torn up by higher impact velocities though but I would not hesitate to use a 165 or heavier interlock on elk and caribou coming out of a .308 bump it to 180 and it's fine in a 30-06 but if you are shooting a 300 Magnum you need a tougher bullet.
Winchester power points rate below the interlock but heavy for caliber and modest velocities they should be fine.
These deer season XPs and Sierra game kings are at the bottom of my list for cup and core bullets.
You may be right
I gave up on Rem CLs a long time ago. Had too many of them disintegrate.
I've thrown in the towel on all lead bullets at this point and only use Barnes or GMXs for all my hunting.
@Barry Hodson that's a great decision.
After cold bore first shot the 243 evened out on velocity pretty even
A fair point!
I was going to buy some Deer Season for a .223 but after seeing this video, I don't think so. I think I'll try some Federal Fusion instead.
Smart move. I have federal fusion videos in 243 and 6.5 versus 7mm-08
Great video!
Thank you David!
I had a question about 308. Specifically about a 220grn load. I see hornady sells a 220grn interlock bullet for reloading. It’s the only one rated for dangerous game. There is not much on the web about these or Sierra 220grn except speculation and questions about it. Is a 220grn bullet feasible for dangerous game ? I have the bullets, brass, and powder. But just didn’t get large rifle primers in time (sucks for me). Any opinions? Thanks!
Bullet construction is more important than bullet weight. The hornady gmx in 165 or 180gr will be just fine and won't have the issues with needing a faster twist rate to stabilize.
@@AlaskanBallistics 220 will stabilize just fine with a 1 in 10 twist which can be found in .308 Winchester. The real problem is, the .308 doesn't have the case capacity to drive a bullet that heavy to a useful velocity. If you want to use a 220 grain .308 diameter bullet on thin skinned dangerous game, it needs to be coming out of a .30-'06 or one of the .30 caliber magnums.
A lot of older .308 have 1 in 12
@@AlaskanBallistics My model 99 f is supposed to be a 1 in 12, but, using the marked cleaning rod method, it actually measures 1 in 10. Original barrel.
@@georgesakellaropoulos8162 cool. Those are cool guns
I’d love to see a video on 270 eld-x precision hunter penetration test out of a 22 inch barrel
When i can find some i will. But they pretty much act like a vmax and rip apart
Great video thanks for sharing GOD BLESS y’all Amen 🙏
Thanks for watching. Godspeed to you and yours!
They come apart, that is for sure.
Yep
Good stuff brother
Thank you sir
I like Winchester 55 grain soft points in my 223 deer rifle with drop-in-their-tracks success. I'd like to see you try the equivalents it on this comparison. 👍
When i can find some
I use 55 gr Nosler varmint in .243.
It's a small grenade in the meat.
I wouldn't use deer season even for deer. I have no problems with cup and core bullets for deer sized game, I've had really good luck with hornady interlocks, eldx and sst in my handloads, as well as remington core lokt and federal power shock in factory ammo. My favorite cup and core is probably the interlock. Never lost a deer with one.
Eldx is usually as bad if not worse than this one.
@@AlaskanBallistics not in my experience. Shot 2 does with them and both were complete pass through. One even hit the offside shoulder and still busted through
Good for you. Totally shattered like a vmax in my caribou. I stay with barnes lrx
@@carterthiessen2664 who I'm glad they worked for you
A good rule to go by is never buy winchester for serious use or tula for practice.
I've used federal fusion and had mostly consistent results with just a few deer kills where the bullet had very little mushrooming and one that didn't change shape at all was still in a point with rifleing marks but nothing else. Seem to be a very tough bullet, they don't want to come apart. What do you make of that ?
I've got two videos on federal fusion. Good stuff overall. It's in my 7mm-08 vs. 6.5 and i have a stand alone 243 video on it
Good bullet! It’s a bonded bullet, I believe Speer makes them for the Fusion
I am disappointed in the 6.5 Creedmoor, Great job
Yeah they're much better bullets for it.
I love the meat targets followed by water jug videos. IMO they are a great media for testing bullet performance. They're also just fun to watch. I completely agree with the design (not the weight) of the bullet being the deciding factor on performance. While either of the rounds tested may work on a broadside small whitetail deer I don't thing they're ideal. I'd rather have a bonded bullet or a Nosler Partition.
Totally agreed. Or a barnes copper bullet
Your results may vary but I’m two for two on deer season ammo and both dropped instantly
That's great, i wouldn't use it for bigger game.
243
Ehhh for coyotes maybe
6.5 using 147 eld grain Hornady out of a 24 inch barrel can’t go wrong, 500 yards on a deer with ease
Nice!
Great video. I would like to see a 6.5 round up.
Me too but i don't have all of those. Ron Spomer might have a video
For the 243 a 100g corelokt, interlock or partition will poleaxe a 150kg boar, it’ll work on deer no worries
Yep wish I had one
Winchester power points would be better in both calibers if you like Winchester ammo
agreed I've got a video of them in .270
I tend to stay away from cup and core unless i am killing coyotes
Agreed
Just out of curiosity, did you take the photos in your intro?
Yes sir
And composed the music
@@AlaskanBallistics Awesome man! Thought it was a damn movie soundtrack or something 😂
@@MattWaller04 thanks... check out my music channel Bost Custom Music Writing
Those performed more like a varmint load than a big game load
Totally agree
definitely lost a doe quartering away using this bullet I'd say this ammo is intended for coke bottles
Agreed. Never hunt with a non bonded ballistic tip bullet. Unless, you're neck shooting does over a small food plot.
Hahaha when I finally get a 6mm creed barrel....I'll let you know how it does
Please do. Godspeed
6.5!
Any and everyday!
Barnes TTSX or LRX handload with a nod to the 6.5 Creed
I've got some 120 gr ttsx to handload... the rifle loves the factory lrx so I was going to load those
@@AlaskanBallistics good choice
I'm going to load those 120gr ttsx in my 6.5x284 Norma as well
Sad that they can't get an cup core bullet to work decently
Most cup and core bullets don't work unless they bond them
Remington corlocks
Better than these for sure. I prefer something more consistent in accuracy and standard deviation like federal terminal ascent
It’s getting ridiculous when people have to put a Disclaimer on a shooting video. It’s your choice what you want to shoot when you want to shoot it. It’s nobody’s business in my opinion but it is what it is I reckon.
Keeps the monetization on RUclips
Have both calibre rifles tikka 243 which I shoot two different loads a 55gr and 95gr ballistic silver tips and the 6.5 cm shoot the precision hunter 143 gr vmax have the 6.5cm for euthanasing heavy boned animal along with 243 with the 95gr work well and the 55gr load rabbits foxes out to 300m plus ,6.5cm for anything the 243 will not easily manage ie a flighty injured horses, cows etc after bush fires for instance with many stock and wildlife getting smashed by fires cars and fences.... also plenty of rabbits and foxes when i come across them ,get awesome groups with tikka and howas . Also shoot .223rem and 22lr. ballistic silver tips winchester ,hornady vmax and buffalo river ballistic tips for varmints rabbits, foxes been enjoying getting a few hare or jackrabbit with shot gun as I get older.
Good luck hunting
That .243 probably will be going deeper in the tissue by the looks of it.
Maybe... both of these broke apart too much for hunting, i prefer a tougher bullet
@@AlaskanBallistics I've had great success with barnes ttsx and hornady gmx bullets. Definitely my go to hunting rounds.
Me too.. tons of videos on the channel. I prefer the barnes lrx
@@AlaskanBallistics I'm running the 127gr lrx in my 6.5-300wby can't wait to see how it does. I might even take it for bear this year.
Nice! In running it in 6.5x284 Norma
I am in Louisiana, we only have whitetail and hogs here in terms of anything decent in size . I just sold my bigger caliber firearms cause I am done dealing with the recoil. I have bought a .223,.243 and 6.5 creedmoor. All of those are used for hunting our hogs and deer, can't wait to see how each of them performs. I am only using the .223 on hogs. My kids and I will be splitting up between the other two, think I am gonna take the 6.5 for myself.
The 6.5creedmoor will kill anything in North America
@@AlaskanBallistics kodiak brown bear?
Yes. Wouldn't be my first choice and bullet selection is critical. But it'll do it.
I like old Winchester rifles and calibers but their rifle ammo is very inconsistent, from case overall length to bullet seat depth, winchester primers are good to go ....
Couldn't agree more
Pretty sad they market it as a hunting bullet!! I really like federal fusion ammo!!
Federal Fusion is great out to a few hundred yards
@@AlaskanBallistics Most of us will never outshoot it's capable distance then:)
I've got a caribou at 459yrds. That's pushing it for fusion to expand reliably
Id like to see what a 147 eldm would do.
Probably break apart like these or worse. Eldx is worse and match bullets tend to fragment.
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6.5 is cool but whenever you buy a rifle you want longevity 243 will stay 6.5 not so sure I wouldn't buy one for my son ammo might discontinue
That's crazy it's been around over decade and had been the most popular caliber sold for several years straight. Totally irrational concern
Invented in 2007 so 15 years
We will see
And with age it will get much more expensive
15 years not bad I'm sure it will be a staple
I got a 6cm
Compare when you come up?
You should have done the 7mm-08 x 6.5 creedmoor they’re kissing cuisines
I have go check that video out
Both I like,but the 6.5 just smokes the 243 at long range...lol 6mm Creedmoore? That is the only cartridge I have seen on the shelves here in over a year,lots of boxes of that and 28 gauge lol.....I love that round!
Yeah if i had a 6mm creedmoor rifle I'd have ammo too
When you compare different calibers use section density and bullet design, I use the Hornady IL 129 grains for the 6.5 Creedmoor it holds together a little longer for your larger deer sized game, I would say do your next test with the Hornady Inerlock, I don't use copper in rifles that can't get higher velocities I use bonded for larger than deer sized game, just my two cents, aim small good hunting, GOD bless.
Good advice thank you. I think I have the 129gr Intelock BUllet in my first .25-06 vs. 6.5 Creedmoor video
Can you review 350 legend please
Do you have one for me to use...? Ammo as well?
@@AlaskanBallistics no, not very much ammo and I love that gun. Sorry for asking . It’s just cool to see a fresh opinion on the cartridge
So you can't ship the ammo to me to test... lol