*Historian:* "And so the Empire was fractured after the assassination of the Skaven Slayer." *Student:* "Who were the Skaven?" *Historian:* "Just some myth, I dunno."
@@arthenosthefirst8176 *Historian:* "And even if they were real they're not anymore, yes yes." *Student:* "Oh my, teacher, what long whiskers you have."
I know this is a joke comment but just to add some lore context - in Skavenslayer it's mentioned that lots of Imperial scholars believe that the Skaven did at some point exist but then went extinct - while others think that the "Skaven" were just a type of Beastmen that were misidentified. So while they have an Emperor literally called "Skavenslayer" many still believe that the "Skaven" aren't actually a thing anymore.
@@WoodStoveification My only issue is that surely there are longer lived individuals (Dwarves, Elves, etc) who literally saw them. Granted, Holocaust deniers are a thing, I suppose. The Empire's gonna have it's conspiracy theorists.
Kroak is a great character that should have had multiple series based around. So many great characters never got the love they should have. Don’t get me wrong, I loved Gotrek and Felix and Karl Franz, Archeon, Settra, and Nagash, but there were so many other people and places they could have explored. Hell, I want a book about some peasant warrior in Bretonnia, or a servant in the empire. Short stories about average people trying to survive in a world of extreme violence and depravity. I am really excited for the new Lords of the Lance book, bretonnia has been my primary army for 31 years, but I hope they go deeper.
It’s so great to finally return to the Old World. Although my Middenland army with Reiksguard and a Celestial Wizard will need some retooling given it’s prequel nature. Part of me wonders if they considered simply just continuing the alt timeline that storm of chaos established as opposed to go all prequels.
Would you like a setting where Horus lays siege to Terra for eternity? No. All these are just events of one timeline, facts of history. Old World lore is specifically built as the Horus Heresy for the Age of Sigmar.
I see lots of people talking about the "alternate timeline" for Storm of Chaos. I am pretty sure the Storm of Chaos has just been retconned, much like many of the events of the the original Eye of Terror campaign (Eldrad Ulthuan being dead, for example). Like... technically anyone can continue to run games in the post Storm of Chaos timeline (I ran a whole roleplaying campaign in it), but I don't think it has a status like Blood Bowl's setting where GW consider it to have an official status as an "alternative world", or at least I have never come across anything that suggests that.
I only really became aware of Warhammer after the start of the Age of Sigmar, and even then almost entirely focused on 40k. All my knowledge of this stuff comes from Total War Warhammer. It’ll be nice to explore this new old new place!
Which is funny, the old GW top brass knew absolutely NOTHING about Total War's fanbase and that franchise's rule over the strategy genre in PC games at the time, it was just another licensing deal for them. They did no marketing except to brick and mortar shops. They ended the original WHF an started AoS not long before Total Warhammer 3 was going to erupt its popularity. When you hear about GW doing basically NO market research? That's one of their biggest examples.
@@DetectiveLance LOLwot? TW series came years after AoS, and if anything, they did all the heavy lifting, not the shitty old game, getting rid of all the terrible and clunky 80s mechanics. If TW decided to do AoS instead, this game would get a surge of popularity now, it had nothing to do with "quality" of WFB as the game died for a reason...
@@KuK137 But still, lore of Warhammer fantasy is absolutely fantastic. A bit of phenomenon i must say, its unoriginal, full of stereotypes, ridiculous and yet completely genius at the same time. AOS is also complete lunacy, but also very fun
@@martinconway8174Aenarion, living avatar of 2 gods and the first Phoenix King he would be mightily disappointed in his son (but apparently he never had much time for him… he was busy killing demons all the time)
@@martinconway8174 Malarion is what Malekith was renamed for Age of Sigmar. Aenarion was Malekith's dad and no character named Malarion existed in the old lore. This is just a name swap for Malekith.
as far as im aware theyre planning on making them a real army in old world eventually so they planted the seeds of the basic lore already in the core book
I like that the Orcs and Goblins stowed away on the Silver Ships. I presume that's how the Skaven made it to Warhammer World too. "... Nagash, in search of his old hat." 😄😄😄😄 1979 - Magritta is elected Emperor 😂😂Thatcher's influence weighed heavy on the early years of Warhammer. Thank you for entertaining dive in to the can of wyrms that is the Olde Worlde Lore. Ian's lore videos strike a great balance between information and brevity.
Yeah it was a fun tidbit I didn't know before:) The Skaven were created when the bell of Tylos rang, birthing the Horned Rat and mutated the population into the first rat men, at least in the old lore. Tylos was located right where Skavenblight is now.
I think Magritta is also a reference to Matilda, the daughter of Henry I whose throne was seized by her cousin, starting a civil war known as the Anarchy.
Yeah, I skirted around this because while the Tylos lore is in the new book, it doesn't EXPLICITLY say that the story is the same. It probably is though.
It's interesting to hear this fluff for Cathay I have never come across that I presume was made for Total War. Like all the stuff regarding the Elves and Dwarves is familiar (even if the details might be increased or slightly tweaked), but when you mentioned "Celestial Dragon", I was "What? That's never been a thing before."
Wrong. Cathay, Nippon and Ind were a thing before, they were just mentioned in passing (but they had big influence on Skaven for one, where do you think Skaven 'ninja' came from?). What, you think TW just invented them for no reason?
@@KuK137 erm... where did I say Cathay, Ind and Nippon didn't exist before? However, as you say, they were always mentioned in passing and basically no detail was given for them. Hence, a lot of extra fluff was made up for Cathay when they fleshed them out for Total War: Warhammer III. I presume this includes this stuff about a Celestial Dragon, as it is something I have never heard before, and have never seen on any of the timelines of Warhammer history I have read in rulebooks and army books (all published before Total War: Warhammer III). Oh... right, I guess what I wrote was a little ambiguously worded. However I was meaning I had never come across *this fluff* (which I presumed was created for the computer game) for Cathay, not that I had not come across Cathay.
@@KuK137I got into WHFB about 1998 and cathay and nippon were BARELY mentioned ever. The odd sentence across literally all the rule and army books was as good as it got. I also don’t remember either being mentioned in any novel until total war. So, your reply was unnecessary, and inaccurate 👍🏻
@@triangulan Yes! The Immortal Celestial God Dragon Emperor of Cathay and his family of immortal dragons (not primarchs totally) were invented exclusively for Total War. Before this, "Dragon Emperor" was simply the title of a mortal ruler, of whom there were many but never named. As I heard, it was the mortal ruler who was killed by Grimgor at the End Times. So here is a 100% retcon based on a video game
@@Vasily_Kotickovitch Sorry, but not really. I did read about the 'Dragon Emperor'; and him been an inmortal ruler(rumored he could be a vampire... but also that he could transform into a dragon) LONG before Total War. I don't know if it was in a rulebook, in the 'Scripts of Nuln' or in some White Dwarf... I would have to spent days re-reading to find it... and I cannot accelerate the search on the internet cause the new lore based in Total War is everywhere... ...BUT I can assure without any doubt that some of this element where actually present in the Warhammer Fantasy Role Playing Game (basically D&D set in Warhammer) published in the 86... I don't know if Cathai was presented in that edition, or maybe in the 2005 2nd edittion or maybe even later; but LOTS of the elemnts that Total War re-used where allready present in thoose games. I found someone who pointed the elements Games Whorkshop had stablished about Cathai long before the TW videogames: * It was THE biggest, THE most powerful, THE richest and THE most culturally advanced human nation on the planet. They were able to launch an attempted major invasion of the Southlands sending huge fleets to attack it from both the east and the west-- only for the force they sent east to end up in Lustria and for both fleets to be totally crushed by the Lizardmen. They have also sent major invasions all the way out west only for it to be also destroyed due to bad timing/luck. Nonetheless countless people from the Empire, Southern Realms and Araby brave the roads that lead to Cathay in a desperate attempt to gain some of the wealth that is there and bring it home-- even though traveling those roads carries a good 50% or so chance that you are going to be eaten by a monster. * It was ruled by someone called the "Dragon Emperor" and there were rumors he was immortal and could turn into a dragon. * And yet there was also this guy called the Monkey King who at some point managed to take over and was "The Dragon Emperor" for a time and had deals with Skaven. * Clan Eshin learned their stealth/asssassination tactics from them. They might also have been the source of the Jezzails (it was either them or Araby). * Cathay had living constructs made of terracotta, gun powder weapons and powerful magic. * Ogres and Cathay were allies and much of Ogre society and technology was shaped by them, but when the Ogres started eating Cathayans-- the alliance broke up. * Cathay has frequent wars with the Hobgoblins, but manages to keep them out. Oddly one Hobgoblin commander was convinced that he could switch to the Cathay side at any time and be accepted.... he did so and turned out to have gambled wrong. * Cathay's astromancers almost certainly created the Great Maw when they performed a ritual to bring an asteroid down on the Ogre's head in an attempt to wipe them out. * There were Tzeentch cults in Cathay, to the degree that one visitor from the west got the impression that they were somewhat tolerated and/or had corrupted some at even the highest levels. * There are apparently monkeypeople living there, probably the same monkeypeople mentioned in Ind. * It's almost certainly where one of the "missing" vampire bloodlines is.
I knew disjointed snippets of the old world lore, great to see it all put together with the year countdown in a coherent timeline. Thank you Ian for another excellent video, saved for future reference 😀
playing warhammer fantasy roleplay was my introduction before ever delwing deeper into 40k, I never played any tabletop games but always role played and read the books.
I think you recorded your voice on the wrong source. Thank you for the great video. I am so glad there are great WH channels like yours since I started warhammer with the TTS series and miss a lot of lore.
Fantastic job covering the history Ian! You must have really been on top of this, to release it so quickly. Super excited to (hopefully) see some beastmen models. Until then, I'll probably busy myself painting some Bretonians up. (never enjoyed playing them, but they were a delight to paint.) Thank you Arbitor Ian, as always!
YES. THANK YOU. I have loved the 40k universe for a couple years now but struggled, for whatever reason, to break into Fantasy/The Old World (despite most of my 40k friends getting into Warhammer bc of fantasy or having played fantasy)
Recently got back into Warhammer via 40k after a 20 year or so gap. I used to collect Vampire Counts as a kid (right around the time Valten was popping off and the end times appeared to be coming) and I loved my WFB army and the game itself. When I came back into the hobby I looked up what had been happening with WFB and was a little surprised to see it had been rebranded. Since then I've been trying to piece together how the two are linked and what the lore is in relation to WFB. This was a great recap of all the lore from this beloved setting; would definitely enjoy more Old World videos & lore from you!
Gods I missed this world. Malekith becoming Malerion for copyright reasons and the very concept of a year 0 in a calendar are oddities I'd need time to adjust to, but kinda feels good to be back. 😅
I now need to adjust to the knowledge that there's no year 0 in the gregorian calendar. Always just assumed it was there. And they try to tell me wargaming isn't educational...
With this starting point and the background story in mind, it would actually be logical if the various factions within the Empire were more clearly elaborated than in the previous editions and if there were also a separate army book for each part of the Empire?
Agree! A lot of us anticipated this might be the case when the era of the setting was announced a couple of years ago. Hasn’t transpired that way yet, but the ‘armies of infamy’ mechanic they have introduced, (basically alternative army lists) leaves a lot of potential for this sort of thing to be explored if this new edition gets the development it deserves (fingers crossed)!
Can't wait to be able to listen. I will always be hyped for lore. And Fantasy stuff will be great But oof if gws announcement that half the game is obsolete before it's even out for many players is a real killer of excitement.
It wouldn’t surprise me if this was a commercial scope decision and if the old world proves popular, they expand the setting to include some of those factions in later editions
You're doing great work Ian! I've been a 40k guy but have always looked time to time at WFB and AOS from time to time and this was helpful. While it's a HH topic, Have you ever thought of tackling the Primarchs who had problems with their Terran born sons? I thought that was interesting as The Lion, Corax, and Mortarion all seem to take issue with the son's not from their founding planets.
What struck out to me was the name Malerion. That's not what his name is supposed to be at this time. Throughout all of Warhammer Fantasy Battles he was always Malekith. Malerion is his new name in Age of Sigmar when he becomes a god or something. Did they really call him Malerion in the timeline itself in this?
I had heard a theory that he was renamed because of Marvel comics having a character with the same name. If that is the reason for the name change, it would explain it being renamed here too.
Malekith is a Marvel character, so Disney property. If Disney strike GW, GW won't survive. Obviously they won't sacrifice themselves for a couple of disgruntled grognards. Rumors also say that in Age of Sigmar 4E there will soon be a reworking of Skaven, new Chaos Dwarves and dark elves of Malerion.
@@Basil_Ghothickovitch GW would actually likely survive a lawsuit since they've been using the name for close to 30 years and Marvel never did anything. Would be annoying as hell to deal with it, take a long time and be quite costly too but they'd survive. Plus he's been Malekith in recent Warhammer media like Total War: Warhammer too and I haven't heard of them getting into any legal trouble with that so who knows. Certainly possible that they're being extra careful.
@@bigfinn1652Malekith first appears in Marvel in 1984. While they did not do a lot with him, they used him as the antagonist for Thor - The Dark Age. A legal fight might be more costly and not get the desired result as just changing things for this new version.
18:30 wait, isn't that Leontus, Lord Commander Solar of the Astra Militarum in the middle of that pic? 😋 Great video, I thought it would be almost impossible to get a general overview of the setting given how many decades of fluff it has, but you've done a fantastic job here!
Great video and so good explained! Now I'm so exited to start a lot of new total war Warhammer campaigns. One question, did malekith get renamed in malerion?
Yeah they probably change it to that in the second edition if the game is popular enough. I recon that's when the rest of the old Fantasy armies are folded in as well. I would prefer if they called it "the first world" or something similar as it was the first Warhammer IP.
@@Yurt_enthusiast7 “First World” is a bad name because before the “Old World” there were other worlds destroyed by Chaos. Only Mortal Realms is the place where, according to the plan of the Great Old Ones, a real battle will be given to the Dark Gods.
Blood Bowl is my favourite version of the Olde Worlde. I would love to see a lore video on it so I can see what I've missed or forgotten 👍 @@ArbitorIan
Now you just have to talk about Warhammer Age of Sigmar and Mortal Realms. No stupid jokes or gags, because this is really what old fantasy was always supposed to be. And this year will be monumental for Warhammer Age of Sigmar.❤🔥
According to "very reliable sources", Skaven and Chaos Dwarves are coming in 4th edition. I just hope they don't drop the ball on the rules like they did with 40k 10th edition.
@@worlddd7777 There is another interesting rumor: Hashut is not a demon, but a Fallen Dwarf Ancestor. Traitor. His goal is to harm the Duardin race and prevent Grugni from uniting the Khazalid Empire again.
@Kaos77Kisame just watching batreps today the things that stood out was the movement of OPR, charge from WAP and the push back and two staged morale from KoW.
I would love a bigger marineburg and more dutch influence And more tiny kingdoms, princes and princesses ready to fight for or against the empire More ork mercenaries or even a human settlement with them as their army. Would it not be fun to see a human RIDE a gigantic ork? More beasts. More humans, orks and other races using beasts. Thats what i love about kislev. And the empire. Bears and griffons
I like this, as I am nostalgic for the old Warhammer Fantasy world. But I am even more frustrated that the noble lords of Naggaroth and rightful heirs of Ulthuan are being neglected.
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In the Darkness of the old past there was Re-branding !
Isn't this "Rebanding 2: Nagash Boogaloo: The Rebrandenating"?
Yeah… MELARION 😂
You mean rebasing?
Let's see if the game is an improvement over previous editions.
There’s money in old things!!
*Historian:* "And so the Empire was fractured after the assassination of the Skaven Slayer."
*Student:* "Who were the Skaven?"
*Historian:* "Just some myth, I dunno."
"somethign that doesn't exist anymore because the SkavenSlayer killed them all"
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*Historian:* "And even if they were real they're not anymore, yes yes."
*Student:* "Oh my, teacher, what long whiskers you have."
I know this is a joke comment but just to add some lore context - in Skavenslayer it's mentioned that lots of Imperial scholars believe that the Skaven did at some point exist but then went extinct - while others think that the "Skaven" were just a type of Beastmen that were misidentified. So while they have an Emperor literally called "Skavenslayer" many still believe that the "Skaven" aren't actually a thing anymore.
@@WoodStoveification
My only issue is that surely there are longer lived individuals (Dwarves, Elves, etc) who literally saw them. Granted, Holocaust deniers are a thing, I suppose. The Empire's gonna have it's conspiracy theorists.
@@arthenosthefirst8176 I know it's not, but somehow this is making me think "Doomguy with a hate-on for Ratbois" and... I'm kinda here for it tbh?
Ah, Kroak. A frog so powerful he died, decided he didn't much care for it and just stopped being dead.
I guess you could say, Lord Kroak lived up to his name and finally croaked.
Rather the opposite@@bradypus55
@@guitarpop Lord Kroak uncroaked
Kroak is a great character that should have had multiple series based around. So many great characters never got the love they should have. Don’t get me wrong, I loved Gotrek and Felix and Karl Franz, Archeon, Settra, and Nagash, but there were so many other people and places they could have explored.
Hell, I want a book about some peasant warrior in Bretonnia, or a servant in the empire. Short stories about average people trying to survive in a world of extreme violence and depravity.
I am really excited for the new Lords of the Lance book, bretonnia has been my primary army for 31 years, but I hope they go deeper.
Devastated that the destruction of Mordheim in 1999 doesn't even merit a mention :D Great work as always, Ian!
You can't tell Mordheim without races GW is trying to pretend don't exist any more. ;)
Aaah Mordheim...... if we rant enough.. it might return ? :)
The cameo by the Sylvania Family at 17:30 made me laugh.
I was dying. 😂😂
It’s so great to finally return to the Old World. Although my Middenland army with Reiksguard and a Celestial Wizard will need some retooling given it’s prequel nature.
Part of me wonders if they considered simply just continuing the alt timeline that storm of chaos established as opposed to go all prequels.
Would you like a setting where Horus lays siege to Terra for eternity? No. All these are just events of one timeline, facts of history.
Old World lore is specifically built as the Horus Heresy for the Age of Sigmar.
I see lots of people talking about the "alternate timeline" for Storm of Chaos. I am pretty sure the Storm of Chaos has just been retconned, much like many of the events of the the original Eye of Terror campaign (Eldrad Ulthuan being dead, for example). Like... technically anyone can continue to run games in the post Storm of Chaos timeline (I ran a whole roleplaying campaign in it), but I don't think it has a status like Blood Bowl's setting where GW consider it to have an official status as an "alternative world", or at least I have never come across anything that suggests that.
I only really became aware of Warhammer after the start of the Age of Sigmar, and even then almost entirely focused on 40k. All my knowledge of this stuff comes from Total War Warhammer. It’ll be nice to explore this new old new place!
Which is funny, the old GW top brass knew absolutely NOTHING about Total War's fanbase and that franchise's rule over the strategy genre in PC games at the time, it was just another licensing deal for them. They did no marketing except to brick and mortar shops. They ended the original WHF an started AoS not long before Total Warhammer 3 was going to erupt its popularity.
When you hear about GW doing basically NO market research? That's one of their biggest examples.
@@DetectiveLance you seem to have mixed up the timeline a bit, AoS came out in 2015, one year before the first Total War Warhammer game.
Well just use Total War Warhammer without the three and th statement still tracks no?@@dantheultimate2497
@@DetectiveLance LOLwot? TW series came years after AoS, and if anything, they did all the heavy lifting, not the shitty old game, getting rid of all the terrible and clunky 80s mechanics. If TW decided to do AoS instead, this game would get a surge of popularity now, it had nothing to do with "quality" of WFB as the game died for a reason...
@@KuK137 But still, lore of Warhammer fantasy is absolutely fantastic. A bit of phenomenon i must say, its unoriginal, full of stereotypes, ridiculous and yet completely genius at the same time. AOS is also complete lunacy, but also very fun
Me, a player of the old Fantasy Battle, watching this: Mhm, everything seems to be in order.
Malarion
Me: Now hang on!
It also should be noted that Malekith himself was in favour of being passed over in favour of Bel-Shanaar at that point.
My guess is trying to avoid copyright infringement with Disney
So was Malarion not a guy before? I thought he would be Malekiths dad or something
@@martinconway8174Aenarion, living avatar of 2 gods and the first Phoenix King he would be mightily disappointed in his son (but apparently he never had much time for him… he was busy killing demons all the time)
@@martinconway8174 Malarion is what Malekith was renamed for Age of Sigmar. Aenarion was Malekith's dad and no character named Malarion existed in the old lore. This is just a name swap for Malekith.
Looks like there's a few Cathay references here and there, that's pretty cool
as far as im aware theyre planning on making them a real army in old world eventually so they planted the seeds of the basic lore already in the core book
Really wish thay add nippon, ind and kuresh too even if only as aux
I like that the Orcs and Goblins stowed away on the Silver Ships. I presume that's how the Skaven made it to Warhammer World too.
"... Nagash, in search of his old hat." 😄😄😄😄
1979 - Magritta is elected Emperor 😂😂Thatcher's influence weighed heavy on the early years of Warhammer.
Thank you for entertaining dive in to the can of wyrms that is the Olde Worlde Lore. Ian's lore videos strike a great balance between information and brevity.
Yeah it was a fun tidbit I didn't know before:)
The Skaven were created when the bell of Tylos rang, birthing the Horned Rat and mutated the population into the first rat men, at least in the old lore. Tylos was located right where Skavenblight is now.
Thanks. @@Yurt_enthusiast7
Me too! I thought that was an excellent addition to the lore. 🤣 The Krork are freaking everywhere!
I think Magritta is also a reference to Matilda, the daughter of Henry I whose throne was seized by her cousin, starting a civil war known as the Anarchy.
Yeah, I skirted around this because while the Tylos lore is in the new book, it doesn't EXPLICITLY say that the story is the same. It probably is though.
'in search of his lost hat' might be the best line you've ever written.
It's interesting to hear this fluff for Cathay I have never come across that I presume was made for Total War. Like all the stuff regarding the Elves and Dwarves is familiar (even if the details might be increased or slightly tweaked), but when you mentioned "Celestial Dragon", I was "What? That's never been a thing before."
Wrong. Cathay, Nippon and Ind were a thing before, they were just mentioned in passing (but they had big influence on Skaven for one, where do you think Skaven 'ninja' came from?). What, you think TW just invented them for no reason?
@@KuK137 erm... where did I say Cathay, Ind and Nippon didn't exist before? However, as you say, they were always mentioned in passing and basically no detail was given for them. Hence, a lot of extra fluff was made up for Cathay when they fleshed them out for Total War: Warhammer III. I presume this includes this stuff about a Celestial Dragon, as it is something I have never heard before, and have never seen on any of the timelines of Warhammer history I have read in rulebooks and army books (all published before Total War: Warhammer III).
Oh... right, I guess what I wrote was a little ambiguously worded. However I was meaning I had never come across *this fluff* (which I presumed was created for the computer game) for Cathay, not that I had not come across Cathay.
@@KuK137I got into WHFB about 1998 and cathay and nippon were BARELY mentioned ever. The odd sentence across literally all the rule and army books was as good as it got. I also don’t remember either being mentioned in any novel until total war. So, your reply was unnecessary, and inaccurate 👍🏻
@@triangulan Yes! The Immortal Celestial God Dragon Emperor of Cathay and his family of immortal dragons (not primarchs totally) were invented exclusively for Total War.
Before this, "Dragon Emperor" was simply the title of a mortal ruler, of whom there were many but never named.
As I heard, it was the mortal ruler who was killed by Grimgor at the End Times.
So here is a 100% retcon based on a video game
@@Vasily_Kotickovitch Sorry, but not really. I did read about the 'Dragon Emperor'; and him been an inmortal ruler(rumored he could be a vampire... but also that he could transform into a dragon) LONG before Total War. I don't know if it was in a rulebook, in the 'Scripts of Nuln' or in some White Dwarf... I would have to spent days re-reading to find it... and I cannot accelerate the search on the internet cause the new lore based in Total War is everywhere...
...BUT I can assure without any doubt that some of this element where actually present in the Warhammer Fantasy Role Playing Game (basically D&D set in Warhammer) published in the 86... I don't know if Cathai was presented in that edition, or maybe in the 2005 2nd edittion or maybe even later; but LOTS of the elemnts that Total War re-used where allready present in thoose games. I found someone who pointed the elements Games Whorkshop had stablished about Cathai long before the TW videogames:
* It was THE biggest, THE most powerful, THE richest and THE most culturally advanced human nation on the planet. They were able to launch an attempted major invasion of the Southlands sending huge fleets to attack it from both the east and the west-- only for the force they sent east to end up in Lustria and for both fleets to be totally crushed by the Lizardmen. They have also sent major invasions all the way out west only for it to be also destroyed due to bad timing/luck. Nonetheless countless people from the Empire, Southern Realms and Araby brave the roads that lead to Cathay in a desperate attempt to gain some of the wealth that is there and bring it home-- even though traveling those roads carries a good 50% or so chance that you are going to be eaten by a monster.
* It was ruled by someone called the "Dragon Emperor" and there were rumors he was immortal and could turn into a dragon.
* And yet there was also this guy called the Monkey King who at some point managed to take over and was "The Dragon Emperor" for a time and had deals with Skaven.
* Clan Eshin learned their stealth/asssassination tactics from them. They might also have been the source of the Jezzails (it was either them or Araby).
* Cathay had living constructs made of terracotta, gun powder weapons and powerful magic.
* Ogres and Cathay were allies and much of Ogre society and technology was shaped by them, but when the Ogres started eating Cathayans-- the alliance broke up.
* Cathay has frequent wars with the Hobgoblins, but manages to keep them out. Oddly one Hobgoblin commander was convinced that he could switch to the Cathay side at any time and be accepted.... he did so and turned out to have gambled wrong.
* Cathay's astromancers almost certainly created the Great Maw when they performed a ritual to bring an asteroid down on the Ogre's head in an attempt to wipe them out.
* There were Tzeentch cults in Cathay, to the degree that one visitor from the west got the impression that they were somewhat tolerated and/or had corrupted some at even the highest levels.
* There are apparently monkeypeople living there, probably the same monkeypeople mentioned in Ind.
* It's almost certainly where one of the "missing" vampire bloodlines is.
Really enjoyed this. There’s so much information in those lore pages, but you did a great job of picking out the highlights and presenting it.
Elves and Dwarfs: building continent spanning Empires, fighting Chaos, inventing technology, etc.
Meanwhile, humans: M O N K E
I knew disjointed snippets of the old world lore, great to see it all put together with the year countdown in a coherent timeline.
Thank you Ian for another excellent video, saved for future reference 😀
playing warhammer fantasy roleplay was my introduction before ever delwing deeper into 40k, I never played any tabletop games but always role played and read the books.
it's back in a unique way, it's Horus Heresy for fantasy players. I was surprised by VC and Skaven not being core factions though.
I think you recorded your voice on the wrong source. Thank you for the great video. I am so glad there are great WH channels like yours since I started warhammer with the TTS series and miss a lot of lore.
Yeah, the wireless mic recorded with a ton of interference - thankfully I have a BACKUP room mic, it just has a bit more echo from the room!
So stoked you’re doing an Old World series! Love your lore videos!
Fantastic job covering the history Ian! You must have really been on top of this, to release it so quickly. Super excited to (hopefully) see some beastmen models. Until then, I'll probably busy myself painting some Bretonians up. (never enjoyed playing them, but they were a delight to paint.) Thank you Arbitor Ian, as always!
The best part of the old world is Kremlo. He came from space.
The countdown timer was a nice touch.
YES. THANK YOU. I have loved the 40k universe for a couple years now but struggled, for whatever reason, to break into Fantasy/The Old World (despite most of my 40k friends getting into Warhammer bc of fantasy or having played fantasy)
Recently got back into Warhammer via 40k after a 20 year or so gap. I used to collect Vampire Counts as a kid (right around the time Valten was popping off and the end times appeared to be coming) and I loved my WFB army and the game itself. When I came back into the hobby I looked up what had been happening with WFB and was a little surprised to see it had been rebranded. Since then I've been trying to piece together how the two are linked and what the lore is in relation to WFB. This was a great recap of all the lore from this beloved setting; would definitely enjoy more Old World videos & lore from you!
I'll miss KF on Deathclaw, but roll on the age of Magnus!
I can't wait for a Magnus model to be released. And a younger Thorgrim Grudgebearer.
Awesome content really appreciate how this channel can condense information
Thanks for a great video. Would love to see a similar one for the end times of the old world!
Everyone became stupid and died, the end.
Sound the horns and unfurl the banners, the Old World is back
Gods I missed this world.
Malekith becoming Malerion for copyright reasons and the very concept of a year 0 in a calendar are oddities I'd need time to adjust to, but kinda feels good to be back. 😅
Just call him the witch king of nagroth
@@djc1376It's Dread king now. GW changed even that title.
@@TheVergoner witch king sounds better
Year 0 it's also the birth of Tehenhauin and the new God Sotek
I now need to adjust to the knowledge that there's no year 0 in the gregorian calendar. Always just assumed it was there. And they try to tell me wargaming isn't educational...
Funny that Naggaroth is called "the land of Chill" and is where all the angry bitter elves go :D
Can't wait for the High Elves. I miss Tyrion and Teclis.
Ooo didn’t expect you to cover anything WHFB/ Old World !
*vibrates* Ah WHFB... *dredges ancient Tzeentch warband from the forgotten depths of my mini storage* dis gon be good.
Thanks for the catch up, always enjoy your videos.
With this starting point and the background story in mind, it would actually be logical if the various factions within the Empire were more clearly elaborated than in the previous editions and if there were also a separate army book for each part of the Empire?
Agree! A lot of us anticipated this might be the case when the era of the setting was announced a couple of years ago. Hasn’t transpired that way yet, but the ‘armies of infamy’ mechanic they have introduced, (basically alternative army lists) leaves a lot of potential for this sort of thing to be explored if this new edition gets the development it deserves (fingers crossed)!
Can't wait to be able to listen. I will always be hyped for lore. And Fantasy stuff will be great But oof if gws announcement that half the game is obsolete before it's even out for many players is a real killer of excitement.
It wouldn’t surprise me if this was a commercial scope decision and if the old world proves popular, they expand the setting to include some of those factions in later editions
You're doing great work Ian! I've been a 40k guy but have always looked time to time at WFB and AOS from time to time and this was helpful. While it's a HH topic, Have you ever thought of tackling the Primarchs who had problems with their Terran born sons? I thought that was interesting as The Lion, Corax, and Mortarion all seem to take issue with the son's not from their founding planets.
Excellent vid Ian!
What struck out to me was the name Malerion. That's not what his name is supposed to be at this time. Throughout all of Warhammer Fantasy Battles he was always Malekith. Malerion is his new name in Age of Sigmar when he becomes a god or something. Did they really call him Malerion in the timeline itself in this?
I had heard a theory that he was renamed because of Marvel comics having a character with the same name. If that is the reason for the name change, it would explain it being renamed here too.
Malekith is a Marvel character, so Disney property. If Disney strike GW, GW won't survive. Obviously they won't sacrifice themselves for a couple of disgruntled grognards.
Rumors also say that in Age of Sigmar 4E there will soon be a reworking of Skaven, new Chaos Dwarves and dark elves of Malerion.
@@Basil_Ghothickovitch GW would actually likely survive a lawsuit since they've been using the name for close to 30 years and Marvel never did anything. Would be annoying as hell to deal with it, take a long time and be quite costly too but they'd survive. Plus he's been Malekith in recent Warhammer media like Total War: Warhammer too and I haven't heard of them getting into any legal trouble with that so who knows. Certainly possible that they're being extra careful.
It's been changed to Malerion in this. I would assume less copyright hassle too.
@@bigfinn1652Malekith first appears in Marvel in 1984. While they did not do a lot with him, they used him as the antagonist for Thor - The Dark Age. A legal fight might be more costly and not get the desired result as just changing things for this new version.
10/10 - stoked for more of your old world content!
Well done… witch hunter Ian!
Old world: 20 minute lore
Age of Sigmar: 40 minute lore
40,000: 50 minute lore
The Horus Heresy: 40 trillion year lore
Wait, Magritta of Marienburg in 1979?
Yes. That is exactly what you think it is.
Really she was Magritta of Grantham 😃
Thanks for a fantastic summation :D I feel thoroughly caught up :)
18:30 wait, isn't that Leontus, Lord Commander Solar of the Astra Militarum in the middle of that pic? 😋 Great video, I thought it would be almost impossible to get a general overview of the setting given how many decades of fluff it has, but you've done a fantastic job here!
Is Malakith actually retconned to be called his AoS version now? I assumed he only took on the name Malerion when he morphed into his dragon Seraphon.
Woohoo! Ian does the Old World! Prayers answered! :) Great work.
Great video and so good explained! Now I'm so exited to start a lot of new total war Warhammer campaigns.
One question, did malekith get renamed in malerion?
Yep, same as AoS. I assume it's a copyright thing
I'm definitely going to play Empire for the Old World. Big hats, big guns and big mustaches - just the way Sigmar intended!
I will make a army of orcs
Awesome! Thanks
Some armies were consumed in the fires of outrage :D
Lol at the Sylvania joke.
A giant frog named Lord Kroak
In the year 4420
Yeah, warhammer is very serious
Thank you for this great lore video!!
I'm expecting it to change to Land of Legend at some point.
Yeah they probably change it to that in the second edition if the game is popular enough. I recon that's when the rest of the old Fantasy armies are folded in as well. I would prefer if they called it "the first world" or something similar as it was the first Warhammer IP.
@@Yurt_enthusiast7 “First World” is a bad name because before the “Old World” there were other worlds destroyed by Chaos. Only Mortal Realms is the place where, according to the plan of the Great Old Ones, a real battle will be given to the Dark Gods.
In short; it was Skaven all along.
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Oh how Warhammer Fantasy captured my imagination as a young pup
THat was really good Ian. I really like the old artwork
This is fantastic. Thanks for this!
Then Age of Sigmar is the only GW setting you haven't done this sort of video for, right?
Do we count Blood Bowl?
I've done this sort of video for 40k, HH and OW. I've read very little AoS. Haven't done blood bowl or Necromunda.
Blood Bowl is my favourite version of the Olde Worlde. I would love to see a lore video on it so I can see what I've missed or forgotten 👍 @@ArbitorIan
@@ArbitorIan Won't GW send you the Age of Sigmar 4Е rulebook which will be released this summer?
God, I’m so excited to have a new edition WHFB.
And now they have another 250 years to go back to the original start of Warhammer Fantasy XD
nagash was always my fav..
Would love to hear more old world lore
I’d be really interested to hear about Age of Sigmar from you Ian. I think the setting is really interesting. Honestly maybe cooler than 40k.
Right, I'm off to Reinstall Total War: Warhammer...!
This sounds very much like a watered down, lite version of the original story.
Now you just have to talk about Warhammer Age of Sigmar and Mortal Realms. No stupid jokes or gags, because this is really what old fantasy was always supposed to be. And this year will be monumental for Warhammer Age of Sigmar.❤🔥
According to "very reliable sources", Skaven and Chaos Dwarves are coming in 4th edition. I just hope they don't drop the ball on the rules like they did with 40k 10th edition.
@@dantheultimate2497 THIS. Fortunately, I don't depend much of tabletop; it’s no less interesting to just collect miniatures and read books!📖
@@dantheultimate2497 I wonder, how exactly will they explain Chaos Dwarves presence in AOS
@@worlddd7777 There is another interesting rumor: Hashut is not a demon, but a Fallen Dwarf Ancestor. Traitor. His goal is to harm the Duardin race and prevent Grugni from uniting the Khazalid Empire again.
Nagash vanishes back in the aethyr the day after the night of the restless dead.
You know how I know Uan uscthecsame vintage as me. That poster map was literally in the first White Dwarf I bought...
Wasn't he still Malekith? Or was he retconned to his AoS to avoid the wrath of Marvel
My first RPG was WHRPG. From there I descended into 40K and D&D.
The “Who Knows?” @13:32 kinda makes it feel like Ian knows… 🤔
6:53 this art though!
Massive thanks for this!
awesome and very entertaining summary! good to see real warhammer lore return
In the last couple of videos I notice the audio changed (like an echo or somthing). Did you update your studio/equipment?
More old world stuff please 👍🏻
Old world, old microphone? Not sure whats happened with your audio, but it sounds more boomy than usual?
Still awesome content as usual, though!
Wow that's what I miss, rich and deep lore, and Rock and roll humans elves and dwarves saving the day, or trying to!!!
Thanks for the Sylvanian Families nod XD
Love it! Would love to see more!
I feel like the new old world lore makes me feel like it's in the 40k universe haha
Love this channel.
WHFRP kept the Old World alive.
Well, that and the Total War series.
as well as KoW, WAP and OPR. At least if you check out all the rules GW "burrowed" from these systems
@@Yurt_enthusiast7 such as...?
@Kaos77Kisame just watching batreps today the things that stood out was the movement of OPR, charge from WAP and the push back and two staged morale from KoW.
Really looking forward to this
Lovely work! Hope they bring in Magnus The Pious!!
When I was a kid I thought Warhammer and 40k were linked
Think I’d like to see a vid on the end times, summarised
9:09 LOL. You called him Malerion! 😅
Still. Great content. 👍
We are so back.
I would love a bigger marineburg and more dutch influence
And more tiny kingdoms, princes and princesses ready to fight for or against the empire
More ork mercenaries or even a human settlement with them as their army. Would it not be fun to see a human RIDE a gigantic ork?
More beasts. More humans, orks and other races using beasts. Thats what i love about kislev. And the empire. Bears and griffons
Who knows now Amazon have WH40K, i may see my child hood dream and see Sly Stallone as a Grizzled Tilean Mercenary..
I like this, as I am nostalgic for the old Warhammer Fantasy world. But I am even more frustrated that the noble lords of Naggaroth and rightful heirs of Ulthuan are being neglected.
To be clear, I appreciate you covering all the history, but your clear bias towards the weaker elves is ridiculous.
MORE!! I want more!
As Tilean mercenary general are you going to buy my swords for your schemes? Or am I left in the land of Merchant Princes?
I hope for a lot of new minis
Does someone know what is the name of the map of elven outposts at 9:30 or have a link to get it?
The Old World
AKA
Fuck Dark Elves.