Ducati Hypermotard 698 Mono | KTM 690 Owners Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 18 апр 2024
- As a KTM 690 SMCR owner I take the new Ducati Hypermotard 698 Mono out for a thrash to see how the two bikes compare.
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Supermotos are criminally underrated in the UK.
This will force KTM to update the 690 and that is a good thing!
Hopefully we get a actual dashboard.
I think a new 690 is due out 2025. I bet it's over 700cc just to edge the Hyper out.
@@churchofbrap876 This is only a 659cc
@@churchofbrap876 they don't need to increase CC's. The first generation 690 (654cc) could already put out 80hp with stage 3 mods.
@@churchofbrap876 Well the Hyper is only 650 in realty they just named it a 698 to seem bigger than the 690
Chops you said “how many supermotos does one man need?”… all of them chops, we need every damn one of them lol.
“It’s a lot to think about… while in the police cell” 😂
Great job, looking forward to that comparison with you and Greg.
Been waiting for this video. Thank you good sir
This is THE video I've been waiting for!
I really wish these types of bikes had dashes that didn't resemble calculator screens and I'd probably buy one.
@@philbarrett3739 how hard it is to put a tft on them?
Nice, great video Chops. Will look out for the comparison videos, will reveal more I’m sure 👍.
Great review thanks, you’re right about power and riding down lanes….love my hyper SP just for that fun 🎉
I've had my eye on this machine for a while now. Looks great fun for the road.
I'm definitely looking forward to your comparison review against the Austrian machines for sure.
Awesome going Chops 👍😊
I tried one a couple of weeks back and loved it.
It's the first 'motard' style bike I've ever ridden and the weather was tipping down, but the bike still gave me so much confidence in the twisties. I couldn't get my head around how light it felt. Induction noise was pretty cool. And as you said Chopsy, the engine was mega impressive in 20mph zones. Third gear riding wasn't a problem.
Good crack on those back roads for sure.
Super excited about this bike and like others have mentioned, I've been waiting for your review knowing you're a person that enjoys the supermoto platform. I wanted to point out that the lack of bottom end torque is also caused by the oversquare design of the super quadro engine (massive piston with very short stroke). Panigale's and Streetfighter V2 suffer from this as well, they're dull on the low end but past 6-7k rpm they really wake up
Nice one Chopsy , like the look of the Ducati , defo needs uncorking , just got my 701 mot d yesterday ready for the season .👍👍👍 as you say back road fun by the shedload ..😁👍
I own an Smcr and the Ducati really doesn't excite me that much, especially for the cost. I will have to have a spin on one and see what I think. I feel like the electronics are the main sellpoint to try and ease you into sumo riding, especially with the slide control, but for me its far too expensive for a bike that lets face it, if you ride it properly like a sumo you will slide it down the tarmac at some point. I also think that 77hp at the loss of some torque was purely to say they make the most hp 😂. I love the savage nature of the 690, it is out the crate a weapon once you bin the emissions crap and I just can't see the Ducati topping it, it seems like more of a poser bike to me. Loving your opinion though, I don't think we will get a proper match until it gets a map and the emissions crap removing. Looking forward to hopefully seeing that from you in the future chops :D
@20:46 is exactly why I miss my Hyper 950! Great vid as usual mate
Looking forward to the comparison.
Been looking forward to this 👍
Hope it didn't disappoint 🙏
@@LambChopRidesquestion lamb! Does the SFV4S use the same type of wheelie control? Can you just do a clutch up and it would keep the wheel a foot off the ground! This bike looks pretty dang fun to ride!!
I’am a huge supermoto fan after having a bad experience with a 640 and a 690 ktm I would love 1 of these
That engine in a Scrambler Desert Sled style bike would be great.
Awesome video! Wow, that look's like fun. What are the cables looped over the dash? Best!
Yeah same question 😕
Love big singles - i have the biggest in my garage - a Suzuki DR800. Been looking forward to this, and it delivered. Really enjoyed watching it, so thanks Chopsey.
Are you looking for another DR800...mate is selling one?
@@williamrae9954 Thank you but no. One is enough.
Would have loved a bike like these Motards to go to school and back in the day.Real fun.Thanks.
Legitimately great review.
Appreciate the information.
Glad it was helpful! 👍
Took one out yesterday.Very nice.
Taking the 950 out today that’s what I really want 👍
I had a 2019 hyper 950 and never got on with it, but I must say the release of this single small capacity hyper looks right up my Straße.👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Great review!! ❤
Thanks 👍
Maximally agree. The future (and actually the past) of riding is maximum fun with a light bike in close-to-legal speed range.
Loved that as ever Chopsie! Great fun bike by the looks of it but those brake cables bouncing up and down as you brake and accelerate right in your field of view would drive me nuts!!!
You don't even notice it. I have a few supermotos and dual sports with that same brake line routing, never an issue.
They aren't cables Mr Flyer.
Haha thanks Andy. When I rode it didnt even notice them. It's the same on the 690 though 👍
Same thought
Always good to 'harden up the twiddlers' 😅
Another great vid Chops 👍
That is why I bought the 890 smt. All the fun of the SM but also the luxury's like cruise control, and a decent screen etc.
Except it's not a super moto any more than my dorsosuro 900 is. Heavy bikes to be considered as such
I have a modded 2014 690 SMCR 73HP/70HP measured on two dynos and I thought this bike might tempt me to change, but much as I like it, the primal urge to buy the new bike isn’t there. I absolutely love my SMCR. In fact, I’m looking forward to meeting one of these Ducatis in the road to see what it can do.
You are talking wheel horsepower to if you measured on a dyno, factory measurements are engine . Did you do any internal engine work or is that all bolt ons and a powercommander?
have my RVE in my garage sitting next to my new Multi RS - what a pair - now I need the weather to ride them
Baller
And one thing we all love about an SM that may be missing with this is the cheapness of crashing it. My 701 been dropped a few times and I never repaired or replaced a thing……and the ducatis parts look expensive
Nice.. picking my one this weekend after a massive 5-month wait
Enjoy it! 👍👍
Nice one Chopsy. If it’s taken from the old big L twin then perhaps it also has the same characteristics, only halved, plus additional equipment to meet Euro5, which the old engine didn’t need to meet. So power and peak torque will be higher in the rev range whilst having the stuff to choke the engine to meet the current emission standards. So a tune and freer flowing system from intake to exhaust will make a difference, just be wary that you will be tossing the warranty into the garbage bin.
Great video as usual sir ,but having owned supermoto's since 2002 i find them too complicated,i understand they have to comply to all the crap legislation but i used to love 17 inch wheel each end motor in the middle!
Looking forward to the next installment 👍👍
I test rode last week. Surprised how smooth it was for a big single. Virtually no vibes anywhere. Great street bike. Would love to see an adventure model. I’m buying one soon. It will look cool parked beside my MS PP V4S. I will track the 698.
Looking forward to this one as your the man for modified singles and be a good reference for this type of motorcycle 🏍️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️ from northern Ireland,,
Nice! Looking forward to the comparison test.
Is the slide by break a new thing, or does the 950 have the same electronics?
I'm really missing the previous intro music.
It was iconic. It's like watching F1 without the Fleetwood Mac intro.
Haha sorry about the music 😅 no the 950 doesn't have all those toys unfortunately
I really think I wanted one of these when they were first announced.
Already sold my 701 sm which I loved, but I tried the 698 & immediately knew it was a great bike, the chassis much better than the 701 & the electronics far superior. Doesn't have the low down torque of the husky have to rev it out a bit more but with that sportier chassis works really well. So already ordered mine & should have it in a couple of weeks then of to my place in S pain, so today going to Spain on my Triumph 765 rs. Anyway when you come down here I'll be able to show you around France & Spain on my Ducati mono.
Sounds good Gary! 😁👍
Had a sit on one when I went to grab a charger for the V4 and it felt so odd as a sportsbike rider but that seat was damn comfy for sure.
I’d be surprised if it isn’t a KTM beater. It certainly looks nicer. A full exhaust and a remap will bring that bike to life 😊
Gotta be mad mapping a warrantied Ducati 😂
I will do it definitely a monster after🧨
@@inked-96ya, 2 year warranty too. I'd be afraid to void that warranty on a first year bike. Ducati offers an exhaust and remap that keeps the warranty, BUT it's crazy expensive.
"certainly looks better," huh? Must be Ducati vision. It looks far too familiar to me to claim it's a vast improvement visually. Much like the KTM, Husqvarna and Gas Gas supermotos it looks like an awesome and it does seem like Ducati has improved upon an already excellent hooligan bike but it's a bit of a stretch to me to say this is somehow beautiful and the smcr isn't.
@churchofbrap876 Exacly. Manufacturers are always looking for ways to not accept a warranty claim lol. Yamaha didn't give a shit about me mapping my XSR900 after 4 weeks of owning it new haha
One of the reasons I didn't get the 698 Mono is because I figured it would be more of a top end bike compared to the 690. That and also it being a first gen bike and will have first gen problems.
Haven’t chucked a leg over it but it looked a bit flat and flaccid on launch even northover was struggling keep it up
Brilliant around town bike you can have fun on. Save a fortune on servicing costs,rego. I’ll keep my CB500F with 56 litre Givi topbox/GPS for touring. Only bike I’d replace that with is a Guzzi V85tt or an NX500.
When I was shopping for a Monster S2R 1000, Moto Rapido didn't have one to test so sent me out on a Hypermotard instead. That bike was such a hoot that I _almost_ changed my order! The new Hypermotard Mono has really piqued my interest - imagine flinging that down the Morestead road! 😋 It's a pity Ducati didn't let you out on a bike with the optional Wheelie Assist enabled - I'd be interested to here your thoughts on that.
I feel like on the tuning side of things performance mods will definitely help - especially air box mods - but I don't think it will change the fact that it is very top endy. My WR250X has the same issue - it has very little torque down low, but it has a very high redline and that's where it makes it's power. Not sure if it's related but like the Mono engine being supersport derived, the WR's engine is based on the R1 block so maybe theres a theme...
I used to be head over heels for the KTM Duke 890, but then Ducati came in like a hooligan, stealing the spotlight. Now, it's firmly secured a spot in my top 3 dream bikes. The reviews flooding in about the Hypermotard are like catnip - each one making me crave this beast even more! What a menace this is 🔥🔥🔥
As a 701 SM owner, I expected much more from Ducati, got nothing important... There is nothing eye catching or stylish in this design, unlike the Hypermotard 950. But competition is good, new KTM SM is coming next year, the spy shots are out there already.
I agree 100%. Nothing revolutionary.
regarding power, its got a few hp on top, but 10Nm less. People have been getting 85whp from the KTMs for years now with some light tuninge.
And the have identical weight, but a much higher price. Was expecting to want one, but I don’t.
Rather keep my 990 Superduke and get a lightly used 701/700 gasgas for the same total price.
nothing eye catching its one of the most beautiful bikes ever, it sits next to my multi RS and makes that look boring
They did amazing to get 75 hp from 1 cylinder.
@@Rossithailand On the motor. You can get 80 wheel hp from the 690/701s dead easy, even 72whp with Husqvarns own kit, and its been that way for years.
In stock form its a couple of horses more that the 701, but nearly 10Nm down. Thats why this does not have the same low-end punch out of corners. An observation the owners are pretty honest about:
«I have a 698 and I have had a couple of KTM 690s. Indeed the Ducati has noticeably less low end grunt, though it spins up quickly. I’ll install a Termi exhaust in about a month when it arrives.»
Red nice...RVE stinking
I'm looking forward to see how they compare. I can't afford this anyway, but It'll be interesting.
Well done, well done indeed! By the way, my ol' 2017 690 Duke revs 9500.
Oh... I could be wrong there then 🤪
I can’t even ride mine with the DWC on. Turned off in all ride modes 😎 I got a short clip on my channel coming home from work. Thing wheelies fantastic.
I'd love to see a 0-60 MPH acceleration comparison of both bikes after tuned and modded. I still like my 690 better and aesthetically looks more like a supermoto whereas the Ducati looks good but just doesn't have that supermoto look. Maybe it's the caste wheels, IDK. But I love hitting small jumps and going over curbs and stairs so spoked wheels are a must for me.
Someone else did a video of them side by side it was a dead heat as expected. Whoever got the best launch was winning
Oh finally some new intromusic @Lamb Chop Rides !!! I really hated that "german p0rn music" you have had for such a long time now before this one 😂
Haha thanks 😆👍
Great review but I thought that spec doesn’t have the wheelie control fitted
I believe you have to have the termi exhaust upgrade to activate those features?
I didn't realise if you buy the full system you get the full wheelie assist. This bike had the basic 'anti' wheelie, not help you to wheelie
Hello, I’m 196 cm and around 16 stone. Think it’ll be a good fit?
And you know if it's got balls with you on it big man, it's pretty damn scary powerful for a little bike.
It's a winner for me.
I'll take one. 👍
Can you imagine if they had squeezed a parallel twin in there with the same technology 😮
Hey did you try the wheelie assist mode? I think thats a brilliant mode.
Only on the full exhaust equipped bike unfortunately
Nimble thing, good power to weight ration, it'll be fun to ride I think.
…that would be the little Red Devil on my shoulder that thing. Awesome! 👍
Used to love super motos, but after owning a 1290 super duke, i just dont get why people choose hypermotards for the rd when you can have a nutty 1290 instesd 😅
Weight.
Great vid & bike. Looks super fun. Just goes to show you don't need 200bhp to have fun. Or even 100. Decent chassis, suspension, brakes, low weight & you don't need much power.
Depends on what kinda fun you're wanting to have on your bike
@@jasonking4209 The sort that doesn't send you to jail. ; )
@ragerider6283 yeah I feel for you guys in the UK with the speed cameras, average speed cameras, etc. Government has way too much control over you guys. But I digress. I do get what you mean about having fun with a smaller capacity bike though.
@@jasonking4209 Indeed. It's getting silly & don't forget about the noise sensors & 20mph limits too. It's not about safety either despite what the government says. It's so they can generate easy income & trying to hit emissions targets they've over promised on. There's still plenty of fun to be had on a bike here but it's getting harder by the day.
@ragerider6283 Oh wow! Noise sensors too! When does it end? That's just far too much government overreach. They have no business in our lives the way they are. And I thought it was bad here in the U.S. but we do still have a few states that are free.
Have a great day buddy!
If you are toying between one of these and an SMCR let me give you some advice. Buy one of these. I never thought I'd be looking at Italians for better reliability or customer service but they can't possibly do worse than KTM. I'm just about to scrap my 2020 SMCR, bought new, with less than 2500miles on the clock, due to a cracked cylinder head, broken head bolt, absolutely atrocious (to the point of being dangerous) gearbox, and even worse dealer network. The gearbox issue is a widespread problem that you won't find many KTM fanboys...KTM or their dealers admit. I suspect the engine problems aren't just a one-off either seeing as I saw another 2020 bike being broken with a 'blown engine' while researching how much I'll get for the parts from mine. As for the dealers. It spent 2 summers awaiting repairs and communication, both times, were unbelievable. One involved a 120-mile round trip to see them face to face after weeks of nobody returning calls.
Your experience certainly sucks. But my 21 SMCR has been problem free so far and it's one of my favorite bikes. Ducati is giving the Hyper a 2 yr warranty though, and longer service intervals, so it has the edge there.
I need that bike in my life.
It’s not a bike I’m interested in but enjoyed the video 👍🏻
atleast another big sumo on the market will bring competitive. But tbh I’ll still take the SMC 690, the spoke wheels and suspension are better. Electronic package is nice to have but not what sold me the bike
I’m interested to see how many of these sell on the road, I suspect in 6 months auto trader will be absolutely full of them with a 1000 miles on
Will it power wheelie in third?
Just need that engine in a mito styled road racer and id be in.
8:35 was that coming down sunrising hill?
🙏❤️ Love from Scotland ❤️🙏
A full exhaust and a trip to Chris at CJS Racing.
Sell that SMCR, Chopsy!!😂
I want one 😮
I expect the soft suspension will be addressed when the SP model with ohlins will launch (we all know it's coming)
I dunno, they might leave that to the 950. Look back to the first Hyper. The 1100 was available in several specs, but the 796 only one base spec.
Looks like a fun bike but why so much suspension travel for a street only bike?
I could not handle that loop of cables up top like that.
It is a nice bike and I'd be happy riding one.
But...
When I have to spend my own money...
Take a look at the prices of a GasGas SM 700 and compare to the Ducati.
Hell no !
And the Ducati has Magnesium, titanium, "light weight frame" lithium battery as stock so why is it still heavier than the KTM ?
IMHO complex electronics and supermoto are two things that do not ever belong in the same conversation. Team 🍊 FTW.
what is your 3 favorite must keep bikes in garage till DIE! ?? please tell--thankyou!
I have a Gasgas 700SM all done up and I don't really see the point of a single that behaves like a vertical twin with soft bottom end. Nice bike for sure but by the time you uncork it you are looking at serious coins. I got a NSR250 for revs and a Tuono Factory for everything everywhere!
Yeah I see your point, really, really need to test an uncorked one... 🤔
New Hyper is cool, but i wouldn't sell your tricked out KTM for one of them! Here in the US, wheelie assist only comes with the accessory exhaust package that has the ECU flash.
a 3000 package ...
Yes same here, this only had anti wheelie
Hypermotard looks like a cool bike, is it using a counter rotating crank?
Good question.. not sure
It seems there should be track comparison between them. I still have the feeling 690 is designed not for civil riding. It reveals when riding it hard) so waiting for track!
Too expensive. Will wait for the KTM response!
I think the word you were looking for to describe the suspension was, plush.
Out of all the bikes in the Ducati range I think this would be a bit of me. Light, Naked, comfortable, fast for the road, performs stunts, good looking, fun and simple. Even just sitting on a supermoto makes me smile.
Comfortable?😄
@@tigerick7291 well the seat might be hard. As is most stock seats - In most cases I get mine replaced not matter what the bike. But having owned a few supermoto’s it is comfortable on arm’s/wrists, back and legs. Unless touring I find naked bikes a lot more authentic with being in the wind. All is subjective, this is purely my opinion. Interested to hear what you don’t find comfortable?
@@florme6494 I ride a KTM 1290 super adventure s. I do like the upright position and relatively high bars but I also like a wide supportive seat for long days of riding.
The Ducati is more casual and doesn't have as much low end torque in comparison to the 690. I've ridden the RVE a few months ago. It's a great bike, but I prefer the KTM.
compare to hypermotard 950 please ..
Unfortunately Ducati UK don't have any 950's on the fleet this year 😫
That engine needs some Monster-like version
Saw the standard one at the dealer a couple of weeks ago (US). Honestly, I don't see $13k sitting there. But the KTM/Husky/GasGas cost nearly the same and are equally overpriced IMO.
But just imagine if they put that in a very lightweight sportbike, built to a price and made in Asia. A "premium starter bike" kind of thing.
Or eventually they will have a rally-ish version using that engine. The supermoto just seems to have limited appeal.
At last! The ultimate comparison! By the Supermoto guru!
Thanks 😁
@@LambChopRides Eagerly waiting for the back to back/parallel comparison with the KTM 690 smcr.
3:44 ... How old is this bike? ... That O2 sensor is going rotten already, looks like the header pipe is too ... not great on an £11K bike
Looks like it's got 487 miles on it at around 14:50 ....that's a lot of rusty mess on the O2 😂
Did you ever take the Smt on track?
Yes twice actually,once at Cadwell Park and at Brands Hatch. Videos around here somewhere.. 🤪
“It’s a bit soft” said the 19 stone man 🤓
Before he wondered about bumping up the preload.
Chop's...... I really wish these types of bikes had dashes that didn't resemble calculator screens and I'd probably buy one.
Amazing how supermotos have come on,my Honda FMX650(FMF headers,Dynojet,K+N)is flatter than a witch's (.) compared to even my CCM 644,these are on a different level! I wouldn't pay extra for those graphics or those late '90's painted wheels...Termignoni is the price of a High St abandoned shop up here! Gas Gas 700 the best value, that's too pricey
701 every day ❤
I feel like it's purely made to beat the 690 SMC R just barely. The 698 is a tad better overall. Ducati knew not to deviate too much from the supermoto realm as they already got the hypermotard. It's an overall good attempt by Ducati to enter this supermoto space.
So worth double the price i paid for ktm 690?
Probably not, I gave £7250.00 for my new stock 2014 SMCR….. then the modding began 🙈