As I am a "burbite this would definitely have to be an outside job which means the heat would have to be all collected and ducted to the inner sanctum.....at the same time the feed would be with wood chip created from dead tree branches and chipped in my wood mulcher chipper and fed to the burner with an electrical mechanical auger feed which does seem to be a lot of work when I can just push a button and the gas heats my home.........but that's just me. Many years ago in the 60's I worked for a firm of heating and air conditioning engineers and they supplied coal fired boilers for hotel water heating.......the boiler fire boxes were all supplied with under hearth auger coal feeders that pushed the coal up into the boiler hearth from below......they worked unattended for days and only needed occasional coal ash removal.
Thank you for watching. All of what you say is possible, but at a cost. Putting a rocket heater outside and circulating the heat adds complexity and cost to the system and loses a lot of the heat compared to direct radiation coming off the barrel surface and warming you. Electric augers are used all the time in electric pellet stoves and electric coal stoves for exactly the good reason you are describing, but augers add complexity and cost and increase the likelihood of something breaking down, especially when you use wood chips which don't have as uniform a size as pellets or pellet coal. KISS Keep It Simple or just press the button and pay the gas bill.
thank you for this detailed info. what is the ''flooring'' stuff between the wood floor and the bricks that the heater is sitting on? can it withstand the full heating temps of this heater without the floor or subfloor catching fire??
The bricks surrounded a pad made of clay and vermiculite. It and the distance between the floor and the pipes kept the subfloor safe. I replaced the bench with one with natural airflow between the cob and the floor to keep things safer though.
I'm having a little bit of buyer's remorse, having just received my Gen 1. At the time I ordered, the gen 2 wasn't generally for sale. (still not?). Anyway, I'm still excited to fire it up, and found this video helpful and relevant for the unboxing and setup. Thanks
I found these guys last year…but, waited to hear that it got a safety rating, & therefore, no issues from permitting & insurance…then, waited longer, because they mentioned updated unit coming. Now, heading into a warmer than normal winter, & still haven’t ordered an undated one…but may soon get off my jester & order one….but with the loads of firewood that’s gone unused for several years, outback, & the fuel-thrift of this, AND that it can heat a mass bench, we might not need to bother getting the pellet hopper…or might anyways, planning ahead for some colder winters.
Here's a video of one we did a couple years ago. Stay tuned because right now we are in the middle of adding a cob mass bench to it. studio.ruclips.net/user/videoR7FLpV-OdF4/edit
I’m surprised they haven’t upgraded the feed tube handle from the small round knob to the coil handle like you had added to your 1st gen Liberator. Also, will you still be able to use the glass plate to view the fire?
@@UncleMud, the bottom dimension(height x width), horizontal below the feeding tube (burn chamber/ fire tunnel), where the fire is lit and the ash is removed, what is it please? The rectangular pipe part.
Oh gee.....the last time I saw snow was in 1980 just before I emigrated to OZ.............you can have it......where I'm at now it never gets below 10 deg C in Winter and Summers get up to 35 deg C.
I’m surprised they haven’t updated the feed tube cover handle from the small round knob to a coil handle you put on your 1st Liberator. Also, will you be able to use the glass door on this model also?
No. I have had it backdraft using small blocks of wood when I let them clog the throat under fire or on days when it is warmer outside than inside and I don't warm up the chimney to create a draft before firing the heater to get a good draft going.
The stove pipe and steel barrel stratification chambers inside the mass are single wall so they will efficiently pass heat from the exhaust into the mass. Thank you for watching.
Great to see it's UL for mass heating. If I can get the gen II I'll wait. Once concern I have is that the ceramic might reduce the radiant heat into the room. So, this would be better as a mass heater. I know you've only had it a week, but what have you found about the stove? Is it getting hot to keep the house warm? How about burn time with it? Is it burning scrap longer or shorter before reloading it again. I'm impressed with it at first sight. Looking forward to your evaluation video.
The ceramic liner is only on the inside of the burn chamber and heat riser, not on the inside of the radiant chamber, so the room actually seems to be getting more heat than it did with the Gen I because the insulated firebox and heat riser get a lot hotter inside. Burn time is a lot longer with the pellet feeder. The scrap wood takes a little practice to get right--too little and the fire cools down and goes out with wood still in the feed tube, too much wood and the coals build up and clog things. If you look down in the feed tube and your wood is filling about 2/3 to 3/4 of the cross section that seems best burning rectilinear wood scraps. Burning round sticks there is easily enough air space even if you stuff it full (the height can go all the way up as long as you don't block the air coming in the side hole (or holes on the Gen II).
@@UncleMud Thank you so much for your information. This was important to me. I think the tough part is going to be convincing the Mrs. to take the plunge and purchase the stove. I would like to have the stove replace the insert currently in the fireplace. The insert is very nice but useless when the power goes out. Keep the videos coming. They are great.
@@fredtaka9486 the longer burn time with pellets is due to having a pellet hopper that holds 40 lbs of pellets. The hotter exhaust can be routed through a thermal mass battery (cob bench) to store the heat and release it over night.
@@liberatorrocketheaters834 Sky tells me they are accepting pre orders for delivery in January. I am looking forward to making a video of us installing a Gen 2 at Wheaton Labs this week. With any luck the following week we will post a video of our tour of his new factory.
The Liberator is a low BTU (about 30k) heater that is UL listed and EPA approved for use in the United States. I like that a lot. The non-electric pellet feeder is also pretty great. The Gamera is a superior heater that come in three sizes up to about 55k BTU but it is not yet legal in the US. I'm working on that.
Thanks for watching. An ash catch is a really handy accessory on a wood stove. The liberator is really quick and easy to pull all the ashes out through its front cleanout/lighting door. In this case it would add a good bit of complication and expense for not much benefit.
Dec order for me too. Just received a email that they have shipped. Have you checked out Uncle Muds latest video of liberator’s new shop ? There settled in a getting up to speed.
The rocket heater plugs into a heat exchange pipe or chamber inside a thermal mass bench made out of cob and stone to store the heat for slow release over night. Check out my other videos for how to make cob.
@@UncleMud Gen 2 passed emissions testing. We're not in production of gen 2 yet yet because we're purchasing a larger factory to be able to keep up with anticipated demand. Once we finish the renovations we will begin production, hopefully sometime around early September.
The price of the Lberator RMH-2 will be $2300 after August 2021. Right now preorder price is $1987. Fulfillment on preorders expected in December 2021 Tell them Uncle Mud sent you.
mass heater or just upright chimney??? insulation not for hotter fire but for horizontal chimney hence mass heater. Label:::::heater ,,,or,,,,mass heater?? Which is it? Old liberator not mass heater since no insulation and no barrel/internal access to insulate
The Liberator and Gamera are technically Rocket Heaters but the both plug in to mass batteries making them rocket mass heater systems. You can plug them directly into a chimney but that wastes a lot of heat you could store in the mass.
been running both Liberator and CO detector for about six years with not a problem but thanks for pointing it out. You should never run any sort of heater that burns fuel without a CO detector.
The Gen 2 is a lot better. I found with both of them that the right fuel makes a huge difference. For instance chunks of kiln dried hardwood like flooring scraps will work a lot better than random round sticks with the bark still on from the yard. If you use firewood be sure it is dry and split small.
@@UncleMud I moved out to the farm this fall and didn’t get to properly gather fuel for the stove. It’s been very wet and high humidity. I’m starting to panic with the idea of 20 below or worse. Looks like it will run great on pellets I am going to call and ask if I can purchase the hopper. I didn’t bother when I bought the stove this spring because I have so much to burn. But quality is key I guess.
@@joesears584 the liberator guys are in the middle of setting up a new factory. Drop me a message if they can't get you a pellet hopper and I will see what I can do.
I fiddle with it about every half hour, dropping a handful of scrapwood in as I walk by. The thermal mass bench stores heat to release over night so I don't need to feed it all the time. It obviously doesn't work as well for someone who works outside the home. The feed tube is about 5"x5" by about 24" tall which is not very much wood at a time, but it burns it completely and efficiently. I heat my house with about 2.5 cords per year of small hardwood flooring scraps, which costs me about $30 per cord instead of the $300 per cord that cordwood costs around here. My previous woodstove burned about $1200 per year of cordwood. Before that I was paying over $3000 per year for propane, so I'm laughing at the joke.
Really good job at not showing much of anything of value. I've become quite frustrated at the lack of information in your products for sale especially the fund raising items.
Compared to the $3000+ I was paying each year for propane or the $1200+ per year I was paying for cordwood when I had a woodstove the $100 per year I am paying for hardwood flooring scraps and the $3000ish the Liberator and stovepipe cost looks pretty good. A DIY rocket heater is cheaper but hard to get code approval and insurance on. Thanks for watching.
I love how you make all this understandable.
Thank you. We're having a lot of fun too!
This guy is great. And, if you have a question for him, he actually gets back to you
@@beebob1279 Thank you Bee Bob.
All that snow made me depressed. Sending you a bill for my THERAPY! lol
LOL thanks for watching.
Put in a pre-order thanks to your informative videos! I’d love to see rocket heaters become more mainstream, keep up the good work UM.
Tell them "Uncle Mud sent you". I have my Liberator up and going for another season keeping wifey warm and happy.
Sure is an unboxing video. Like to see more stove.
Here. Lots of Liberator Rocket Heater videos ruclips.net/p/PL9A0Ic1oNN_8Ieg4nqP3Yp3snRlmK9KEc Thank you for watching.
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I'm glad you found some value in it. Thank you for watching.
As I am a "burbite this would definitely have to be an outside job which means the heat would have to be all collected and ducted to the inner sanctum.....at the same time the feed would be with wood chip created from dead tree branches and chipped in my wood mulcher chipper and fed to the burner with an electrical mechanical auger feed which does seem to be a lot of work when I can just push a button and the gas heats my home.........but that's just me.
Many years ago in the 60's I worked for a firm of heating and air conditioning engineers and they supplied coal fired boilers for hotel water heating.......the boiler fire boxes were all supplied with under hearth auger coal feeders that pushed the coal up into the boiler hearth from below......they worked unattended for days and only needed occasional coal ash removal.
Thank you for watching. All of what you say is possible, but at a cost. Putting a rocket heater outside and circulating the heat adds complexity and cost to the system and loses a lot of the heat compared to direct radiation coming off the barrel surface and warming you. Electric augers are used all the time in electric pellet stoves and electric coal stoves for exactly the good reason you are describing, but augers add complexity and cost and increase the likelihood of something breaking down, especially when you use wood chips which don't have as uniform a size as pellets or pellet coal. KISS Keep It Simple or just press the button and pay the gas bill.
It has been almost eleven months since your install, how has the stove preformed? What do you think about doing a follow up video?
Here you go. Thanks for asking. ruclips.net/video/19nIXijNYrA/видео.html
thank you for this detailed info. what is the ''flooring'' stuff between the wood floor and the bricks that the heater is sitting on? can it withstand the full heating temps of this heater without the floor or subfloor catching fire??
The bricks surrounded a pad made of clay and vermiculite. It and the distance between the floor and the pipes kept the subfloor safe. I replaced the bench with one with natural airflow between the cob and the floor to keep things safer though.
I'm having a little bit of buyer's remorse, having just received my Gen 1. At the time I ordered, the gen 2 wasn't generally for sale. (still not?). Anyway, I'm still excited to fire it up, and found this video helpful and relevant for the unboxing and setup. Thanks
The second Gen is going to be a bit of a wait. You're going to love your Gen1 though. I ran mine for over 3 years before installing it at a friend's.
I found these guys last year…but, waited to hear that it got a safety rating, & therefore, no issues from permitting & insurance…then, waited longer, because they mentioned updated unit coming.
Now, heading into a warmer than normal winter, & still haven’t ordered an undated one…but may soon get off my jester & order one….but with the loads of firewood that’s gone unused for several years, outback, & the fuel-thrift of this, AND that it can heat a mass bench, we might not need to bother getting the pellet hopper…or might anyways, planning ahead for some colder winters.
🤣🤣🤣 “keester ”, not “jester”! (Gotta love “auto-corrupt”🤣)
@@UncleMud How long before Gen-2 gets to market? (Been waiting so long!!)
I don’t mind if you want to sell your generation 1 to me once you get the Gen 2.
good stuff man! I subscribed.
thank you
18:53 wow he's hooking it up to a thermal mass! It looks easy!
I kinda wanted to see how to retrofit a fireplace though
Here's a video of one we did a couple years ago. Stay tuned because right now we are in the middle of adding a cob mass bench to it. studio.ruclips.net/user/videoR7FLpV-OdF4/edit
I’m surprised they haven’t upgraded the feed tube handle from the small round knob to the coil handle like you had added to your 1st gen Liberator. Also, will you still be able to use the glass plate to view the fire?
Hello. This is an old video of the same Gen 2 stove I did the upgrades on.
What is the diameter/dimension of the round big outer pipe. And what is the thickness and dimension of material of the square pipes? Great vid.
The outer cylinder is about 16" in diameter. The feed tube is about 5"x5". The steel is 1/8" with a 1/2" ceramic board liner.
@@UncleMud, the bottom dimension(height x width), horizontal below the feeding tube (burn chamber/ fire tunnel), where the fire is lit and the ash is removed, what is it please? The rectangular pipe part.
Oh gee.....the last time I saw snow was in 1980 just before I emigrated to OZ.............you can have it......where I'm at now it never gets below 10 deg C in Winter and Summers get up to 35 deg C.
Sounds hot. Thanks for watching.
I’m surprised they haven’t updated the feed tube cover handle from the small round knob to a coil handle you put on your 1st Liberator. Also, will you be able to use the glass door on this model also?
This is an older video. The handle update is a recent addition to this same heater.
I'm in LOVE.
We have been very pleased too.
Have you every had one back draft a chimney up the feed tube with pellets?
No. I have had it backdraft using small blocks of wood when I let them clog the throat under fire or on days when it is warmer outside than inside and I don't warm up the chimney to create a draft before firing the heater to get a good draft going.
Is the stove pipe in the mass single wall or double wall?
The stove pipe and steel barrel stratification chambers inside the mass are single wall so they will efficiently pass heat from the exhaust into the mass. Thank you for watching.
Great to see it's UL for mass heating. If I can get the gen II I'll wait.
Once concern I have is that the ceramic might reduce the radiant heat into the room. So, this would be better as a mass heater.
I know you've only had it a week, but what have you found about the stove? Is it getting hot to keep the house warm?
How about burn time with it? Is it burning scrap longer or shorter before reloading it again.
I'm impressed with it at first sight. Looking forward to your evaluation video.
The ceramic liner is only on the inside of the burn chamber and heat riser, not on the inside of the radiant chamber, so the room actually seems to be getting more heat than it did with the Gen I because the insulated firebox and heat riser get a lot hotter inside. Burn time is a lot longer with the pellet feeder. The scrap wood takes a little practice to get right--too little and the fire cools down and goes out with wood still in the feed tube, too much wood and the coals build up and clog things. If you look down in the feed tube and your wood is filling about 2/3 to 3/4 of the cross section that seems best burning rectilinear wood scraps. Burning round sticks there is easily enough air space even if you stuff it full (the height can go all the way up as long as you don't block the air coming in the side hole (or holes on the Gen II).
@@UncleMud Thank you so much for your information. This was important to me.
I think the tough part is going to be convincing the Mrs. to take the plunge and purchase the stove.
I would like to have the stove replace the insert currently in the fireplace. The insert is very nice but useless when the power goes out.
Keep the videos coming. They are great.
Gen 2 will debut in a few months after we get it EPA approved and certified. We are currently accepting pre-orders.
@@fredtaka9486 the longer burn time with pellets is due to having a pellet hopper that holds 40 lbs of pellets. The hotter exhaust can be routed through a thermal mass battery (cob bench) to store the heat and release it over night.
@@liberatorrocketheaters834 Sky tells me they are accepting pre orders for delivery in January. I am looking forward to making a video of us installing a Gen 2 at Wheaton Labs this week. With any luck the following week we will post a video of our tour of his new factory.
what is the tubing under the air intake is it just for support?
There are holes on either side of the top of the feed tube to attach the outside air intake to--one or the other.
How do you remove the bottom bolts on the riser?
Reach in with a wrench from the top. Have a friend reach in from the inside from the front with a ratchet.
Nice video
Thank you Lance
Do you prefer the liberator or the Gamera?
The Liberator is a low BTU (about 30k) heater that is UL listed and EPA approved for use in the United States. I like that a lot. The non-electric pellet feeder is also pretty great. The Gamera is a superior heater that come in three sizes up to about 55k BTU but it is not yet legal in the US. I'm working on that.
UNCLE : What is the gap size between the top of the riser and the round top plate that you take off in the video please?
I think it was about 2 inches.
Why doesn't it have an ash catch so it would easier
Thanks for watching. An ash catch is a really handy accessory on a wood stove. The liberator is really quick and easy to pull all the ashes out through its front cleanout/lighting door. In this case it would add a good bit of complication and expense for not much benefit.
So by venting into the thermal mass, is the no venting to the outside?
The chimney comes out the bottom of the other side of the mass and goes outside.
Is this certified for Canada? awesome id bro.
I am almost certain it is. I will ask the builder when I see him next week
Can you pull the ash out when burning pellets?
yes. They even include a cute tool to make it easy.
No scissors?
I was a little preoccupied LOL. thank you for watching.
@@UncleMud lol, thanks for the content👍
How much does that weigh?
around 100 lbs
Price on that?
A little less than $3000 including shipping in the US. Drop me an email at info@unclemud.com if you are interested
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How long did it take from order placement until delivery? I ordered mine LAST DECEMBER. STILL WAITING. WINTER IN NY IS A COMING.
Dec order for me too. Just received a email that they have shipped. Have you checked out Uncle Muds latest video of liberator’s new shop ? There settled in a getting up to speed.
Did you get a good response?
@@UncleMud I have the heater. Thanks
How do you make the mass heater
The rocket heater plugs into a heat exchange pipe or chamber inside a thermal mass bench made out of cob and stone to store the heat for slow release over night. Check out my other videos for how to make cob.
when???? when will the gen 2 be available?
It has passed safety testing and is currently in Emissions testing. I will post when it has passed.
@@UncleMud Gen 2 passed emissions testing. We're not in production of gen 2 yet yet because we're purchasing a larger factory to be able to keep up with anticipated demand. Once we finish the renovations we will begin production, hopefully sometime around early September.
The price of the Lberator RMH-2 will be $2300 after August 2021. Right now preorder price is $1987. Fulfillment on preorders expected in December 2021 Tell them Uncle Mud sent you.
What’s the cost?
George, the latest prices can always be found here rocketmassheater.com/recommends/unclemud/
mass heater or just upright chimney??? insulation not for hotter fire but for horizontal chimney hence mass heater. Label:::::heater ,,,or,,,,mass heater?? Which is it? Old liberator not mass heater since no insulation and no barrel/internal access to insulate
The Liberator and Gamera are technically Rocket Heaters but the both plug in to mass batteries making them rocket mass heater systems. You can plug them directly into a chimney but that wastes a lot of heat you could store in the mass.
Better have a carbon monoxide detector with that thing...
been running both Liberator and CO detector for about six years with not a problem but thanks for pointing it out. You should never run any sort of heater that burns fuel without a CO detector.
That gen 2 looks way better. I’ve got 2 gen ones. Pain to keep them lit. The ash cools so fast if you’re not paying attention the stove won’t relight
The Gen 2 is a lot better. I found with both of them that the right fuel makes a huge difference. For instance chunks of kiln dried hardwood like flooring scraps will work a lot better than random round sticks with the bark still on from the yard. If you use firewood be sure it is dry and split small.
@@UncleMud I moved out to the farm this fall and didn’t get to properly gather fuel for the stove. It’s been very wet and high humidity. I’m starting to panic with the idea of 20 below or worse. Looks like it will run great on pellets I am going to call and ask if I can purchase the hopper. I didn’t bother when I bought the stove this spring because I have so much to burn. But quality is key I guess.
@@joesears584 the liberator guys are in the middle of setting up a new factory. Drop me a message if they can't get you a pellet hopper and I will see what I can do.
@@UncleMud thank you
@@UncleMud random round sticks from our property tree drop, is all we will have to use...
What a joke. How much 16-18” long firewood are you going to put in there? How long between fiddling with reloading?
I fiddle with it about every half hour, dropping a handful of scrapwood in as I walk by. The thermal mass bench stores heat to release over night so I don't need to feed it all the time. It obviously doesn't work as well for someone who works outside the home. The feed tube is about 5"x5" by about 24" tall which is not very much wood at a time, but it burns it completely and efficiently. I heat my house with about 2.5 cords per year of small hardwood flooring scraps, which costs me about $30 per cord instead of the $300 per cord that cordwood costs around here. My previous woodstove burned about $1200 per year of cordwood. Before that I was paying over $3000 per year for propane, so I'm laughing at the joke.
Or you could just cut the wrap off...
Thank you for watching. I think you are assuming a higher level of organization than we are prepared for.
If you’re smart, you’ll skip the first 8 minutes
Really good job at not showing much of anything of value. I've become quite frustrated at the lack of information in your products for sale especially the fund raising items.
I don't sell these items, only test them in real life (not lab) circumstances. Thanks for the feedback.
expensive
Compared to the $3000+ I was paying each year for propane or the $1200+ per year I was paying for cordwood when I had a woodstove the $100 per year I am paying for hardwood flooring scraps and the $3000ish the Liberator and stovepipe cost looks pretty good. A DIY rocket heater is cheaper but hard to get code approval and insurance on. Thanks for watching.